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http://forum.specialist-games.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12974

Well, that's a bit crap.

How can they do better if they are not updated and/or supported?

Specialist games are a lot of fun and pretty balanced (from what I can tell), but they don't even get mentioned in the White Dwarf any more...

Greets
Schepp himself

Damn straight Schepp. You'd think with the amount of space they try to waste, they could throw in a couple of articles on Specialist Games.

Posted By Schepp himself on 09/25/2007 9:06 AM
How can they do better if they are not updated and/or supported? 

Given how well balanced and designed the core games generally are, and how unbalanced and poorly designed most of the supplements have been, I'd think the answer would be self-evident.

"Originally posted by Sabbad at Warseer
I spoke to Andy Hall at Games Day UK on Sunday.

For the past few years, Specialist Games have had a release window every six months - a January release and a Summer release. The last of such releases was the Warmaster Araby release.

However, I have now been told that GW do not intend to release any more models for the Specialist Games. Unless GW starts doing well again, the Specialist Games suddenly become popular, or there is some massive change in demographic, GW will not be creating new Specialist Games models ever again."

Repost for the lazy

- Salvage

That really sucks ass

A lot of folks in my group are avid mordheim players and a lot of us have also been getting into BFG now too, guess that's the end of that.....

Necros: It doesn't have to be the end- the rules are all still there, for free, and the models are still available, or easily convertable.
I'm looking to eventually get into BFG as soon as I decide whether to go for Ork Pirates (yaaarrr) or a Waaagh Fleet.

At least they gave us a parting gift with the downloadable rulebooks. Download them now before they pull the website too.

I need to order some Redemptionists before Nov 5th it seems .

This is a real shame.

I still have a heap of BFG models to paint up and assemble as I've finally found other people who want to play (all GW staffers) and wanted to branch out by buying up some SM ships and some of the newer races like the necrons.

I'm not to fussed about no further rules but no new minis is awful.

Mordheim consistently pumps out models that are better than their WHFB counterparts and I use them in alot of my armies.

They're not discontinuing the current range, they're just not making new models. Most of the games should do fine, aside from Epic. Epic has only Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Eldar, and Chaos models available (and damn few Chaos).

This stinks. I was really hoping that they would release Tyranids, Necrons, etc. for Epic.

Posted By Pariah Press on 09/25/2007 4:16 PM
They're not discontinuing the current range, 

Yet.

Next time GW reviews their catalogues, though, you can pretty much bet that models for systems they are no longer supporting will be the first to go...

I was just at the Glen Burnie Bunker and they knew nothing about this. As for new products they couldn't say but they know they are still going to carry the full range of current products.

Orion

This would be the exceptionally perfect time for them to reconsider their aversion to outsourcing. Lease out the IP, and let somebody else pick it up, with GW getting a percentage cut. No work for them, money coming in, games having proper support again.

-Hans

Posted By Hans on 09/25/2007 6:09 PM
This would be the exceptionally perfect time for them to reconsider their aversion to outsourcing. Lease out the IP, and let somebody else pick it up, with GW getting a percentage cut. No work for them, money coming in, games having proper support again.

-Hans

What GW give up IP rights on anything.  I don't think so even if it would be a good business move.  I guess I had better figure out what parts and models I want from Specialty games and order them before they shut down the whole range.

No, not give up the IP, but license other folks to use them. You can fully protect your IP while still allowing others access to it. They've done it in the past with Armorcast, they currently do it with all of the computer and console games. Why not allow somebody a chance with Blood Bowl and BFG?

I'm surprised you're all surprised. This has been official for quite some time. In April when Jervis talked at Adepticon about how Specialist was done it was already old news.

Posted By morfangdakka on 09/25/2007 6:37 PM

Posted By Hans on 09/25/2007 6:09 PM
This would be the exceptionally perfect time for them to reconsider their aversion to outsourcing. Lease out the IP, and let somebody else pick it up, with GW getting a percentage cut. No work for them, money coming in, games having proper support again.

-Hans

What GW give up IP rights on anything.  I don't think so even if it would be a good business move.  I guess I had better figure out what parts and models I want from Specialty games and order them before they shut down the whole range.

  They license out their IP to video game developers all the time.  I bet a small-time operation could remain profitable making Epic miniatures. 

  Of course, the "Big Secret" (shhhh!) is that there are several companies making 6mm scale sci-fi figures already, many of which work very well for Epic.  Of course, I would prefer to have Official Models, myself. 

Looks like GW is digging their hole a little deeper once again.  Good thing that they let the ash wastes rules come out before pulling the plug on SG.

Posted By yakface on 09/25/2007 8:36 PM

I'm surprised you're all surprised. This has been official for quite some time. In April when Jervis talked at Adepticon about how Specialist was done it was already old news.

It was news to me. I guess GW didn't really think it was that important that it warranted, you know, an official announcement or anything. How ironic that today, I accidentally ruined my E:A rulebook when my packed lunch container sprung a leak and dripped tomato sauce on it.

Surprised, however, I ain't. It was only a matter of time, after all. The entire "Specialist Games" endeavor was doomed to fail from the start. It was nothing more than life support for dying systems,  To have kept it as a viable, living product line would have taken GW a lot more than they were willing to give.

Seems this old conspiracy theory just proved right... It was written what, two years ago?

Rest In Peace, Specialist Games.


It's hard to swallow when you know that back in 1995, Epic line alone was making 10% of GW profits.

A very interesting read, and quite correct I am sure.

Once LoTR goes away there will only be two games on offer in GW shops.

Posted By Boss_Salvage on 09/25/2007 10:56 AM
"Originally posted by Sabbad at Warseer

However, I have now been told that GW do not intend to release any more models for the Specialist Games. Unless GW starts doing well again, the Specialist Games suddenly become popular, or there is some massive change in demographic, GW will not be creating new Specialist Games models ever again."

I wonder how the frag they expect the game to do well again, or become popular when there is nothing from the GW arena. and since GW gamestores don't allow games of non-supported GW games, it's a double whammy.

I am bummed now.

Posted By two heads talking on 09/26/2007 5:56 AM

I wonder how the frag they expect the game to do well again, or become popular when there is nothing from the GW arena. and since GW gamestores don't allow games of non-supported GW games, it's a double whammy.

I am bummed now.

I'd say that's just their way of leaving a little "hook" for established players as fake incentive for their continuing to buy. GW warehouse still has a bunch of unsold Epic blisters, after all.

I just need to keep my eyes open for the Warmaster clearance sale. I love Warmaster, but it is ridiculously expensive.

Or, you could buy any number ofthe relatively inexpensive 6-10mm fantasy minis that exist. Take a walk on the TMP side.

Too bad...I was planning on trying to start a Necromunda campaign in my area.

I think I'm going to cry.

well at least bloodbowl doesn't need any thing to keep it from rolling. hell you can make your bloodbowl team from pretty much anything.

I hope Forge World will keep making their BFG and Epic stuff. I always wanted to pick up their Tau stuff for both those games even if just for display.