Red Corsair wrote: BTW is anyone else getting antsy for a new abadon mini. They keep showing off some amazing art of him in the thumbnail and credits of every warhammer TV tutorial and there is no way it's on accident.
Not antsy exactly, but I do wish he'd been released with the first book as he's arguably the most important figure in the whole storyline. However it looks like the next entry will be Eldar centric. Either as a continuation from fall of Cadia or the Eldar POV leading up to the same end. Abbadon is probably being saved for a big return after recovering from his wounds.
He looks pretty good, but I just...can't take him seriously. It's the hair. I know, I know, it's "iconic" and they're definitely keeping it, it's just such a freaking silly feature to have this three foot tall pole of hair on top of his head. I just imagine that every doorway on his spaceship has to have a little notch at the top to allow him to walk through.
the_scotsman wrote: He looks pretty good, but I just...can't take him seriously. It's the hair. I know, I know, it's "iconic" and they're definitely keeping it, it's just such a freaking silly feature to have this three foot tall pole of hair on top of his head. I just imagine that every doorway on his spaceship has to have a little notch at the top to allow him to walk through.
Don't you remember? He's little horus! He needs a 3 foot tall top knot so he can sit in the same chair. Lol
Imateria wrote:Here's a screen shot of the page that mentions the Eldar characters, it was posted over on The Dark City:
Spoiler:
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
So "parlaying" and "following into the future", could this mean that Eldar and Imperium of Man or at least Space Marines mean that they will be Battle Brothers now? So now a lot of Space Marine players can start buying Battle Brother Allies with Eldar now?
...this has become something of a 'generic GW' News and Rumors thread.
This isn't something we normally see for GW stuff - usually each thing gets its own thread.
Is it time to re-name this one to something closer to what it is?
Or close it and let new topics appear as they...appear?
As long as discussion remains OT and new rumors get added, I vote rename it and keep it open. If it's too OT/no new rumors, then close it and wait for the next.
Imateria wrote:Here's a screen shot of the page that mentions the Eldar characters, it was posted over on The Dark City:
Spoiler:
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
So "parlaying" and "following into the future", could this mean that Eldar and Imperium of Man or at least Space Marines mean that they will be Battle Brothers now? So now a lot of Space Marine players can start buying Battle Brother Allies with Eldar now?
This sounds like the very definition of a 'Come the Apocolypse' situation.
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
or Iyanna Arienal
I can't see her wearing an elaborate gown. I know she has some fancy rune armour but I doubt it would stand out any more than any of the other seers kicking around at that gathering. Now Iyanna is mentioned, I'm wondering what Yriel is doing whilst all this is going on. If Sylandri is there I wouldn't be surprised if she's persuaded him to come along too.
Maybe the figure in red armor is Yriel. Yriel is hinted at in the novel Valedor as having mixed parentage, with a Dark Eldar saying (on p. 176) "..mother's home is a haunt for milksops who will not reach for father's sword." I.e. he is saying Yriel's father is from Commorragh while his mother is from Iyanden. Maybe Yriel finally accepts his mixed origins now?
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
or Iyanna Arienal
I can't see her wearing an elaborate gown. I know she has some fancy rune armour but I doubt it would stand out any more than any of the other seers kicking around at that gathering. Now Iyanna is mentioned, I'm wondering what Yriel is doing whilst all this is going on. If Sylandri is there I wouldn't be surprised if she's persuaded him to come along too.
Maybe the figure in red armor is Yriel. Yriel is hinted at in the novel Valedor as having mixed parentage, with a Dark Eldar saying (on p. 176) "..mother's home is a haunt for milksops who will not reach for father's sword." I.e. he is saying Yriel's father is from Commorragh while his mother is from Iyanden. Maybe Yriel finally accepts his mixed origins now?
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
or Iyanna Arienal
I can't see her wearing an elaborate gown. I know she has some fancy rune armour but I doubt it would stand out any more than any of the other seers kicking around at that gathering. Now Iyanna is mentioned, I'm wondering what Yriel is doing whilst all this is going on. If Sylandri is there I wouldn't be surprised if she's persuaded him to come along too.
Maybe the figure in red armor is Yriel. Yriel is hinted at in the novel Valedor as having mixed parentage, with a Dark Eldar saying (on p. 176) "..mother's home is a haunt for milksops who will not reach for father's sword." I.e. he is saying Yriel's father is from Commorragh while his mother is from Iyanden. Maybe Yriel finally accepts his mixed origins now?
Yriel in red is a good guess.
It actually completes the theme: Eldrad represents the Craftworlds, Malys the Dark Eldar, Veilwalker the Harlequins, and Yriel a fusion of Craftworld/Dark Eldar/Corsair Eldar. Together they symbolically represent all the Eldar (except the Exodites, but they don't have an army list)
Iracundus wrote: Maybe the figure in red armor is Yriel. Yriel is hinted at in the novel Valedor as having mixed parentage, with a Dark Eldar saying (on p. 176) "..mother's home is a haunt for milksops who will not reach for father's sword." I.e. he is saying Yriel's father is from Commorragh while his mother is from Iyanden. Maybe Yriel finally accepts his mixed origins now?
Interesting idea, I didn't know he might have dark eldar links. There's a question of where he's put the spear as that smokey picture of the model is holding a sword. It would be rather neat if he used his past links to forge an alliance between all the eldar factions.
CragHack wrote: Malys - Dark Eldar? Why is that? She's marely a subordinate. What happened to the arch-troll Vect?
She's more than a subordinate. In terms of plotting and subterfuge she's supposed to be on a par with Vect.
CragHack wrote: Malys - Dark Eldar? Why is that? She's marely a subordinate. What happened to the arch-troll Vect?
The Harlequins have influenced Malys. Codex Harlequins said it was the Veiled Path that set Lady Malys up for her webway encounter and arcane bond with Cegorach (i.e. that heart and golden figure was a manifestation of Cegorach). They have also influenced Yriel. They are the glue holding the various factions of the Eldar together. If Malys is their pawn, they could be aiding her in overthrowing Vect.
I'm a bit supprised, that no one brought the name Lhykosidae to the table of speculation, as those Eldar figures are supposedly previously unknown. Both Iyanna and Yriel are already established in the lore quite well. And "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" could be some form of Ynnead avatar/shard.
Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.
or Iyanna Arienal
I can't see her wearing an elaborate gown. I know she has some fancy rune armour but I doubt it would stand out any more than any of the other seers kicking around at that gathering. Now Iyanna is mentioned, I'm wondering what Yriel is doing whilst all this is going on. If Sylandri is there I wouldn't be surprised if she's persuaded him to come along too.
Hopefully-so very bored of Eldread being the only Eldar doing everything and anything - kill him and use some other characters.
nou wrote: I'm a bit supprised, that no one brought the name Lhykosidae to the table of speculation, as those Eldar figures are supposedly previously unknown. Both Iyanna and Yriel are already established in the lore quite well. And "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" could be some form of Ynnead avatar/shard.
Or it could Yriel and/or Iyanna transformed- Cawl not being surprised at not identifying the eldar because "The Eldar were inconsistent, as ever-shifting as sand, changing personality as freely as they changed their masks." might be a hint at changed or transformed existing characters? Ynnead could the unifying element for the eldar to rally around- they all share the need to defeat She Who Thirsts- the central figures could be her representatives. I think it is more likely the figure in the gown is Lady Malys and the figure in the red armour is some sort of body guard- he does seem very tall though.
CragHack wrote: Path of the Dark Eldar pretty much states she's afraid of Vect and what he can do. But I guess nothing in sacred, bleh.
She certainly is scared of him. Pretty much the only person she's met who she can't always out-scheme, and she currently believes he wants to flood Commorragh with deamons.
nou wrote: I'm a bit supprised, that no one brought the name Lhykosidae to the table of speculation, as those Eldar figures are supposedly previously unknown. Both Iyanna and Yriel are already established in the lore quite well. And "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" could be some form of Ynnead avatar/shard.
I don't think GW will ever draw on Goto for material. You might be taking the "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" line a bit too literally. I think it's just the author's poetic way of describing the mass of different factions together.
From 4chan, so pretty much totally unreliable, but it is a rumour of sorts...
I have see eldar boxes today, although I have not been able to make any photos, I have not been alone while leaving the boxes from the truck, but while working on the truck, they opened some
Asdrubael Vect it's on a grav plataform and the platform looks like the image of rumour engine, the same box also brings 2 incubi but are very different from the current ones as with thicker armor, but none of the 3 miniatures look like the image of the red eldar of fall of cadia.
There were other boxes containing larger boxes inside, but I've only seen a little piece of the side, in which an female eldar in a yellow and blue gown with the name ...of Iyanden (I could not see it all) under the portrait, the box was large so i guess that will contain more miniatures since it is bigger than the box of vect
Look closely at the picture of the red armored Eldar. The chest has cross straps and a waist sash with gem that matches that of an Eldar Autarch. Unless they invent a new character, the only named Eldar Autarch character with a figure currently is Yriel.
CragHack wrote: Path of the Dark Eldar pretty much states she's afraid of Vect and what he can do. But I guess nothing in sacred, bleh.
She certainly is scared of him. Pretty much the only person she's met who she can't always out-scheme, and she currently believes he wants to flood Commorragh with deamons.
nou wrote: I'm a bit supprised, that no one brought the name Lhykosidae to the table of speculation, as those Eldar figures are supposedly previously unknown. Both Iyanna and Yriel are already established in the lore quite well. And "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" could be some form of Ynnead avatar/shard.
I don't think GW will ever draw on Goto for material. You might be taking the "calm authority amid the swirling storm of colour" line a bit too literally. I think it's just the author's poetic way of describing the mass of different factions together.
Or just depicting a main group of harlequins , as they can change thir personalities and manerism as they swap the faces of their masks.
Wich bother me it's the triumvirate thing, harlequins Heroes path formation retells an Eldanash and Ultanash history and those pseudo rumours from the Yriel, Vect, Veilwalker, seems to fit with the whole background theme as Yriel belongs to house Ultanash, Vect being Eldanesh or someone from his lineage may be a cool turn of events for Eldar lore.
Perfect Organism wrote: From 4chan, so pretty much totally unreliable, but it is a rumour of sorts...
I have see eldar boxes today, although I have not been able to make any photos, I have not been alone while leaving the boxes from the truck, but while working on the truck, they opened some
Asdrubael Vect it's on a grav plataform and the platform looks like the image of rumour engine, the same box also brings 2 incubi but are very different from the current ones as with thicker armor, but none of the 3 miniatures look like the image of the red eldar of fall of cadia.
There were other boxes containing larger boxes inside, but I've only seen a little piece of the side, in which an female eldar in a yellow and blue gown with the name ...of Iyanden (I could not see it all) under the portrait, the box was large so i guess that will contain more miniatures since it is bigger than the box of vect
Nice. So the real Cawl died and it will now be Trazyn all along!
I can't tell if you're joking or if I missed something while skimming this thread. I thought Cawl ended the book heading towards the light after the Eldar pep talk...
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: Warhammer TV posted how to paint a Gyrnix. Is that an eldar critter?
Yeh its an old Eldar familiar for psykers. However some Inquisitors are known to have some as well, don't know if they still will or if they'll go pure Eldar with them.
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
I ain't looking forward to working with the IoM as a Tau player either. You know it's going to happen with these grand "alliances". BruceCambel_Pulse. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/tausoundboard
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
Chaos is coming! We need all the foes we can fight to prove our worth to the Chaos Gods!
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
OK, now I have a vision of a big, stuffed, book-shaped pillow, with “Codex Astartes” embroidered on the front. Blue, with gold thread. With a " “ done up as a smiley face.
OK, I can go to sleep happy now. The Codex will keep the bad Chaos dreams away.
Ya still allies of convienance/desperate allies.
Taking xenos help when your gettting your arse handed to you and you have no real choice but die doesn't mean they are best buds.
Galef wrote: Wait. All "cultures" of Eldar forming one cohesive force? That sounds suspiciously similar to the Elfs, I mean Aelfs, of the Old World during the End Times.
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe Magnus= Nagash as well. I have a very strong suspicion this will mirror the WHFB end times in many, many ways to come, especially (big/fancy) model releases.
Watch, the dude in red is just an Astartes that is along with the Eldar as a prisoner/bargaining chip to get the Imperium to fight alongside them against Chaos.
Hmm, red and blue...it's Captain Cortez!
But really, I would be happy if they gave Dark Eldar some cool stuff. I really doubt this red-garbed character is Vect or Yriel. Yriel wears yellow. He even has a color named after him. Vect is too much of a boss to show up for any of this stuff in person.
The Eldar cat they painted in the video definitely looks like it is supposed to have a regular-sized miniature on the base as well. And I call it an Eldar cat because the video was posted on the 40KFB site but not the AoSFB site, so it is definitely 40K.
CragHack wrote: Malys - Dark Eldar? Why is that? She's marely a subordinate. What happened to the arch-troll Vect?
The Harlequins have influenced Malys. Codex Harlequins said it was the Veiled Path that set Lady Malys up for her webway encounter and arcane bond with Cegorach (i.e. that heart and golden figure was a manifestation of Cegorach). They have also influenced Yriel. They are the glue holding the various factions of the Eldar together. If Malys is their pawn, they could be aiding her in overthrowing Vect.
Thing is, the Harlequins also struck a deal with Vect when he rose to power and the implication was that they helped him do it, so... figuring out which horse they're backing in Commorragh, if they're backing one at all, is pretty much a lost cause right now.
CragHack wrote: Malys - Dark Eldar? Why is that? She's marely a subordinate. What happened to the arch-troll Vect?
The Harlequins have influenced Malys. Codex Harlequins said it was the Veiled Path that set Lady Malys up for her webway encounter and arcane bond with Cegorach (i.e. that heart and golden figure was a manifestation of Cegorach). They have also influenced Yriel. They are the glue holding the various factions of the Eldar together. If Malys is their pawn, they could be aiding her in overthrowing Vect.
Thing is, the Harlequins also struck a deal with Vect when he rose to power and the implication was that they helped him do it, so... figuring ut which horse they're backing in Commorragh, if they're backing one at all, is pretty much a lost cause right now.
Maybe Vect has served his purpose and the Harlequins now want Malys. Alternatively they could be using Malys as a patsy and then backing Vect. Or maybe they are backing both so that whoever wins will owe the Harlequins something.
GW has been writing the Veilwalker into a lot of things recently (and retconning them into being the ones that influenced Malys) so I suspect there is a story purpose behind it. Whether it will be a good story in the end is unknown.
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
At this point, Chaos are the greater threat than the Eldar. We don't make peace with our friends, only our enemies. And even then, it can be for the briefest of moments.
Having Legion traits is just repair for a cruel injustice commited a decade ago, it should not be considered new material, only an overly late addition that should have been there since the start.
Its like Marines only getting their chapter tacs back after ten years.
Cadia's Fall should have been the "New" thing.
And yes its the first of a series, but will we have to wait a year like with Fenris II?, or will it be quicker?
I have that dreadfull feeling that the second part of 13th BC will not be before we get a dozen small faction codexes before, you know the kind of thing that 12guys are playing in the world like Gene cults or Harlequins or maybe some stupid thing like Demiurgs or Exodites...
Xenos are supposed to be purged, but these are now good Xenos? But Papa Smurf taught me there are no good Xenos! Well, there are one or two exceptions, but...
I need to sit down. Someone bring me the Codex! I need comfort.
At this point, Chaos are the greater threat than the Eldar. We don't make peace with our friends, only our enemies. And even then, it can be for the briefest of moments.
Halas its nothing new, Eldars as a tendecy to put their nose where it doesn't belong, so that in the long run, it saves their arses.
Like rerouting a Hive fleet towards an imperial world so that it doesn't attack a craftworld, or aiding imperials at the last minute so that they can buy time for their own to get off the course of an ork Waagh or Chaos invasion, since the conflict with the Imperial will drag on longer.
I'd love to gloat about calling it on the lynx the day that tail pic came out, but it'be somewhat less appropriate with me being a new-ish user and all that. Anyway, glad to see Eldar super friends getting some new model love (take away all our OP rules and give us heaps of new, crisp models, I say). Also, the Malys/Yriel morphin' time rumors seem to coincide with some earlier ones mentioning various starter sets for the 8th edition, one of which containing a Harlequin Yriel with friends and another a gentleman called "Vect's blade" or some such.
Sanguinius on Reddit wrote:Vect is involved with the new 'Eldar Triumvirate'
Iyanna Arienal is HIGHLY LIKELY to be the Eldar model with the Gyrinx offsider, aka an Iyanden Spiritseer.
Roboute still is on track to 'waking up first'...noting below, I would posit that Lion'el will be awoken soon after.
A later book (aka sooner rather than later) will be called 'The Hunt', focusing on the Dark Angels chasing Cypher on a spiral towards Terra. I have been told that Cypher WILL reach Terra with the Lion Sword. PERSONAL SPECUALTION: I think Cypher will 'kill' the Emperor in order to instigate his Perpetual Powers and bring in a new age.
Additional: I have heard loose rumours that 'a loyalist Primarch will turn, and a Chaos Primarch will turn Loyalist.' I have heard nothing more in this regard....but please be Alpha Legion....please be Alpha Legion.
And I noticed that the rules for the triumvirate are far from complete. The assembly manual does list points cost and wargears, but is missing specific explanations on special rules and Force Organisation. I suppose that means I also need to buy Fall of Cadia too.
Sanguinius on Reddit wrote:Vect is involved with the new 'Eldar Triumvirate'
Iyanna Arienal is HIGHLY LIKELY to be the Eldar model with the Gyrinx offsider, aka an Iyanden Spiritseer.
Roboute still is on track to 'waking up first'...noting below, I would posit that Lion'el will be awoken soon after.
A later book (aka sooner rather than later) will be called 'The Hunt', focusing on the Dark Angels chasing Cypher on a spiral towards Terra. I have been told that Cypher WILL reach Terra with the Lion Sword. PERSONAL SPECUALTION: I think Cypher will 'kill' the Emperor in order to instigate his Perpetual Powers and bring in a new age.
Additional: I have heard loose rumours that 'a loyalist Primarch will turn, and a Chaos Primarch will turn Loyalist.' I have heard nothing more in this regard....but please be Alpha Legion....please be Alpha Legion.
I'll take imperial rumors with alot of salt but it would be cool to see the emperor "reborn" but I a weakened state due to the unique nature of the anathema that he still couldn't leave the GT but still give orders or project him self psychically as a almost ghost emperor until which time he fully recovers.
Nah man, it gonna be Perturabo, finally over himself and bringing the masters of siege warfare back to the Imperium! Just kiddin, that would be a nifty way to even out the numbers between the loyalist and traitor primarchs.
Still waiting for the second half of January for these plastic SoB and digging how they were the only imperials to really push back the black legion, they some bad ladies. Hope this is the start of a trend of them getting more love in he future both kit and fluff wise
And I noticed that the rules for the triumvirate are far from complete. The assembly manual does list points cost and wargears, but is missing specific explanations on special rules and Force Organisation. I suppose that means I also need to buy Fall of Cadia too.
Yes, thats how it's always been when they put the "rules" in the box, you get the stats for the unit and the list of special rules but it doesn't tell you what the wargear does or what the special rules actually do.
Wasn't that debunked, with someone claiming they made the whole thing up?
Yeah, I'm taking that reddit post with more than a bit of salt. Also the eldar stuff is a bit wishy-washy. Vect is involved with the triumvirate? There's a massive convocation of eldar, of course he's involved, but the poster didn't want to commit to saying if he'd be a model or not. The seer with the gyrinx is likely be Iyanna? It sounds like this person is hedging their bets.
with regards to the triumvirate boxset, can anyone provide a good picture of the rear of it ?
The kind of clock face image --- does it look like the image could part 1 of2/3/4 that would make a complete image if all of them were joined together ?
reds8n wrote: with regards to the triumvirate boxset, can anyone provide a good picture of the rear of it ?
The kind of clock face image --- does it look like the image could part 1 of2/3/4 that would make a complete image if all of them were joined together ?
My camera isn't good enough for any decent pictures, but it does look like it could be a part of a larger image. Plus the whole set itself comes inside a sort of sleeve to protect the box inside. It certainly looks like it's meant to be some sort of collector's edition box.
Galef wrote: Wait. All "cultures" of Eldar forming one cohesive force? That sounds suspiciously similar to the Elfs, I mean Aelfs, of the Old World during the End Times.
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe Magnus= Nagash as well. I have a very strong suspicion this will mirror the WHFB end times in many, many ways to come, especially (big/fancy) model releases.
I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
Galef wrote: Wait. All "cultures" of Eldar forming one cohesive force? That sounds suspiciously similar to the Elfs, I mean Aelfs, of the Old World during the End Times.
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe Magnus= Nagash as well. I have a very strong suspicion this will mirror the WHFB end times in many, many ways to come, especially (big/fancy) model releases.
I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
Many echoes of AoS for me too. Abbaddon seems a dead cert for lord of war/daemon prince
I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
That would be my guess as well. I don't think GW will be content to "just" sell a $30 monopose plastic single terminator model as the poster boy for chaos. He'll either be morphed into a big, unnecessary demon prince or riding atop some sort of magic flying mechamount or vehicle to justify the price.
Nice. So the real Cawl died and it will now be Trazyn all along!
I can't tell if you're joking or if I missed something while skimming this thread. I thought Cawl ended the book heading towards the light after the Eldar pep talk...
I'm joking. Did you even glance at that paint scheme?
Verviedi wrote: Drach'nyen somehow takes its true form, as Abaddon's massive unnecessary daemon mount?
Or maybe it possesses him, or melds somehow.
Crap, I bet your right. *sigh*
Well, maybe he will at least lose that top knot
In post 2012 GW/40k, it's more likely that the top knot is fully unleashed and becomes a multipiece 6 inch flowing mane of chaotic warp-infused hair that gets its own detachment entry and rules in the Abaddon contingent.
reds8n wrote: with regards to the triumvirate boxset, can anyone provide a good picture of the rear of it ?
The kind of clock face image --- does it look like the image could part 1 of2/3/4 that would make a complete image if all of them were joined together ?
MadCowCrazy wrote: Has this been posted before? I've never seen it before today at least
That is a darn pretty model! I like how slightly subdued it is, helps me think of it being a blank slate that changes form to do whatever its plans require.
Red Corsair wrote: I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
IIRC Abbadon is supposed to have turned down princehood several times. I'd put money on him coming back with an updated sculpt, possibly with slightly oversized terminator armour and some similarly equipped bodyguards to bulk out the set. Bonus points for echoing Celestine and her bodyguards.
Red Corsair wrote: I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
IIRC Abbadon is supposed to have turned down princehood several times. I'd put money on him coming back with an updated sculpt, possibly with slightly oversized terminator armour and some similarly equipped bodyguards to bulk out the set. Bonus points for echoing Celestine and her bodyguards.
The original eye of terror book had a pic of abaddons drinking buddies, IIRC one was a sorcerer but none have seen models. Would be a good basis for a box set.
Red Corsair wrote: I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
IIRC Abbadon is supposed to have turned down princehood several times. I'd put money on him coming back with an updated sculpt, possibly with slightly oversized terminator armour and some similarly equipped bodyguards to bulk out the set. Bonus points for echoing Celestine and her bodyguards.
Wasn't there the old fluff about a quartet of followers, one for each god? Abbadon and that retinue, based on some of that 3rd ed art, would make a nice kit.
Red Corsair wrote: I am getting a sinking feeling that abadon wadn't released yet because he was supposed to be wounded (celestine through the spine) in order to make him ascend into a prince of some sort and make a $150+ kit ala archaon. I hope I am wrong, as I prefer simple villains but it just seems to fit.
IIRC Abbadon is supposed to have turned down princehood several times. I'd put money on him coming back with an updated sculpt, possibly with slightly oversized terminator armour and some similarly equipped bodyguards to bulk out the set. Bonus points for echoing Celestine and her bodyguards.
That would be cool.
Who are the three major chaos characters in this btw? I'm trying to guess who'd be in the chaos equivalent of the triumvirate.
If abbadon ascends it would be a serious abandonment of the fluff. The whole point is he's trying to avoid the pitfalls the that snared the primarchs. Being daemons, and therefor subservient to the big 4 in some way as well as having your movement outside of the Eye and into the regular material universe seriously constrained, is a big part of his whole approach.
Abbadon is a puppet. If his masters wish him to ascend, he will ascend. That's the whole point behind the tragedy of any pact made with the chaos powers.
Do you actually believe that Abbadon, of all those that made deals with the Ruinous Powers, managed to come out on top? That he's in control? That there's no fine print in that particular batch of paperwork?
If anything, THAT would be a major blow to the 40k fluff.
His Master's Voice wrote: Abbadon is a puppet. If his masters wish him to ascend, he will ascend. That's the whole point behind the tragedy of any pact made with the chaos powers.
Sounds like you haven't read his back story. As stated, the whole reason Abaddon has so much power is because he was able to somehow keep the Chaos gods as allies but not be beholden to them.
Sanguinius on Reddit wrote:
A later book (aka sooner rather than later) will be called 'The Hunt', focusing on the Dark Angels chasing Cypher on a spiral towards Terra. I have been told that Cypher WILL reach Terra with the Lion Sword. PERSONAL SPECUALTION: I think Cypher will 'kill' the Emperor in order to instigate his Perpetual Powers and bring in a new age.
Unless they want to retcon something again, that would prevent the Emperor from ever existing again. The Lion Sword obliterates the soul of what it kills.
The Lord Ravager would lead his groundforces
fearlessly and always be in the vanguard of the
assault. The Lord Deceiver would guide his fleets
with esoteric visions so that they might always
find their prey, no matter where they hid. The
Lord Corruptor would spreadfear and corruption
before the fleet, and also keep the lesser warlords
in line through brutality and terror. The Lord
Purgator would harvest worlds for slaves, and
ensure that wherever the Black Legion setfoot the
taint of the Dark Gods remained. Abaddon also formed from the Black Legion's ranks
a personal bodyguard, known as the Bringers of
Despair, among other dark titles. Selected from the
strongest and most vicious of his Terminator Space
Marines, these fearsome warriors would become a
terrifying sight, their arrival announcing the
presence of the Despoiler himself.
Says the Black Legion supplement.
The Cyclobia Cabal led by Zaraphiston would also be possible, but I guess we had enough Tzeentch Sorcerers recently . There are further Daemon Princes:
Most powerful of these was
Dhar'leth, a Daemon Prince who had once fought at the side
of Konrad Curze, Primarch of the Night Lords. Known as the
Curse of Antecanis and Master of the Shadow War, Dhar'leth
recalled Abaddon's ambition during the Great Crusade and
accepted his leadership without dissent.
Other mighty Daemon Princes sided with the Black Legion:
Doombreed the Skull Lord, draped in a cloak made from a
thousand Space Marine skulls; Glutgora Runnelsore, reborn
in putrescent glory on a writhing bed of Nurglings
And the last quote:
From the ranks of these powerful and vile Traitor Space
Marines the Warmaster chose his generals. Devram Korda,
infamous for distilling the life essence of Hive Sarora into a
potent Warp-draught to grant himself immortality. Ygethmor,
Sorcerer Lord, the cursed seer of the Cyclopia Cabal, who are
rumoured to have found a way to tear secrets from the souls of
imprisoned Eldar. Skyrak Slaughterborn, warlord of the
Bringers of Decay, leader of a horde of insane plague-ridden
warriors who bear weapons dripping in virulent poisons and
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filth-encrusted armour. Urkanthos, the commander ofthe
Black Fleet, a master of naval conflict and death -dealing in the
void and a peerless captain.
So I'd say if they bring Abaddon with some retinue, they've built up quite some possiblities already . Even Typhus would be possible, but since we had a rumour about the plague fleet already he might get his own light.
There's also the fact that since there ascension pf Be'lakor the Chaos Gods have decided to not ever make an Unidivided Prince ever again...
And if one of the Ruinous Powers ever did ascend Abaddon the rest would turn on them. Also Abaddon would be mighty pissed and do his best to not cooperate.
And yes, Brimstone Horrors have 40k rules. They (like Blue Horrors) got them in Wrath of Magnus.
His Master's Voice wrote: Do you actually believe that Abbadon, of all those that made deals with the Ruinous Powers, managed to come out on top? That he's in control? That there's no fine print in that particular batch of paperwork?
If anything, THAT would be a major blow to the 40k fluff.
It's been done before - Be'lakor.
When they released his data slate a few years back, it has some interesting tidbits about his history.
Nutshell version - he was the very first Daemon Prince, and the only one to be raised up by The Four acting in concert. Trouble is, when you're beholden to all Four, there's always One willing to let you go against the majority - no matter what it is you're up to, it'll be to the benefit of at least one. And that meant they couldn't exert any meaningful control, and why all other Daemon Princes are raised by a single God.
Which also neatly explains why Abaddon has not, and likely will never, ascend.
And with what we know now about the preceding 12 Black Crusades, why he's never been Spawned either - he has never failed.
His Master's Voice wrote: Do you actually believe that Abbadon, of all those that made deals with the Ruinous Powers, managed to come out on top? That he's in control? That there's no fine print in that particular batch of paperwork?
If anything, THAT would be a major blow to the 40k fluff.
It's been done before - Be'lakor.
When they released his data slate a few years back, it has some interesting tidbits about his history.
Nutshell version - he was the very first Daemon Prince, and the only one to be raised up by The Four acting in concert. Trouble is, when you're beholden to all Four, there's always One willing to let you go against the majority - no matter what it is you're up to, it'll be to the benefit of at least one. And that meant they couldn't exert any meaningful control, and why all other Daemon Princes are raised by a single God.
Which also neatly explains why Abaddon has not, and likely will never, ascend.
And with what we know now about the preceding 12 Black Crusades, why he's never been Spawned either - he has never failed.
And yet both the Emperor and Horus were able to gain the power of a God from all four chaos deities (BL's words) which dwarfed that of a daemon Prince, monotheistic or undivided, in the Black Library HH story describing it. Plus...his fantasy analog Archaon got a massive power bump and survived the end of almost his entire universe (and got a dragon mount to boot) while staying Indy. There are already fluff justifications to grant Abby massive power and keep him independent of any single god. Even if there weren't, Gw doesn't place fluff in front of potential sales regardless.
VeteranNoob wrote: Oh, my bad. It seemed glued in so I didn't think to wedge it out
Oh wow, that is definitely a clock
But what are the other 3 parts?
Eldar, Chaos,.......?
Space Marine? Tau? All the other Auxillary Xeno Races together?
Eldar combined, Chaos and Xenos?
My theory is that they will produce another 3 Gathering Storm books, focusing on Eldar, Chaos and Xenos respectively.
The Fall of Cadia book ends with rules for fielding "Combined Imperium Forces", and on the armoury page, it tell you to refer to the datasheets for some weapon descriptions (which is similar to how AoS warscrolls work). Therefore I think that they will release the other 3 books I listed above, each of which will give new combined/overarching force organisation rules, and formation benefits similar to the allegiance abilities in the AoS Generals Handbook.
After these books are out they can drop the new edition, and they can move to a free datasheet system a la the AoS free warscroll system, with these books negating the need for the force org in the now outdated faction codexes. It could be quite a clever system, as the core rules may also be free.
The blue horrors look kinda dumb. They still can't quite capture that look from the art in the FFGrpg's which made them look interesting. The brimstone ones look good though.
The changeling is so-so model wise. The bottom half of the model looks kind of uninteresting. The lower robes make it look a little plain.
Gamgee wrote: The blue horrors look kinda dumb. They still can't quite capture that look from the art in the FFGrpg's which made them look interesting. The brimstone ones look good though.
It is a fine line between sanity blasting reality bending alien forms and looking dumb.
VeteranNoob wrote: Oh, my bad. It seemed glued in so I didn't think to wedge it out
Oh wow, that is definitely a clock
But what are the other 3 parts?
Eldar, Chaos,.......?
Space Marine? Tau? All the other Auxillary Xeno Races together?
Eldar combined, Chaos and Xenos?
My theory is that they will produce another 3 Gathering Storm books, focusing on Eldar, Chaos and Xenos respectively.
The Fall of Cadia book ends with rules for fielding "Combined Imperium Forces", and on the armoury page, it tell you to refer to the datasheets for some weapon descriptions (which is similar to how AoS warscrolls work). Therefore I think that they will release the other 3 books I listed above, each of which will give new combined/overarching force organisation rules, and formation benefits similar to the allegiance abilities in the AoS Generals Handbook.
After these books are out they can drop the new edition, and they can move to a free datasheet system a la the AoS free warscroll system, with these books negating the need for the force org in the now outdated faction codexes. It could be quite a clever system, as the core rules may also be free.
Sounds good. Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels get rolled into the Chaos book then? Sounds good! What is more dire that what was a 9/9 balance falling to 6/12?
Gamgee wrote: The blue horrors look kinda dumb. They still can't quite capture that look from the art in the FFGrpg's which made them look interesting. The brimstone ones look good though.
The changeling is so-so model wise. The bottom half of the model looks kind of uninteresting. The lower robes make it look a little plain.
I like the old model better as well. except for the weak staff.
Is anyone in the US still waiting on their White Dwarf to come from GW? This is the second time this has happened!
I am going to request a voucher or something in addition to having them send the mag and add another one on to the end of my subscription. This is ridiculous.
VeteranNoob wrote: Oh, my bad. It seemed glued in so I didn't think to wedge it out
Oh wow, that is definitely a clock
But what are the other 3 parts?
Eldar, Chaos,.......?
Space Marine? Tau? All the other Auxillary Xeno Races together?
12 hours.
12 High Lords of Terra is my bet. Not as models like. Just artwork.
I thought that, but there's already 7 pictures in that one quarter of a clock, so there's more than 12 on it.
The first place I've seen that picture is the 6th edition rulebook, p. 157 (it's a two-page spread, the clock is on the right-hand page with the title "Auspicator Cartogrium"). It only shows the quarter of the clock, so if there is more to the picture, I don't believe it's ever been released. The full clock looks like it should have 36 figures.
I think the clock is supposed to represent "2 minutes to midnight".
VeteranNoob wrote: Oh, my bad. It seemed glued in so I didn't think to wedge it out
That's the chap.
So looks part 1 of 4 -- unless the other boxes are a different size of course.
Gonna assume one set will be Eldar --:
the Farseer/whomever with the Gyrinx mini
The figure in the odd mix of eldar armour -- who I think is Yriel -- IIRC he is something of a "half blood" having both craftworld & dark eldar parents.
and a 3rd figure ..? A full darkeldar mini would make sense -- 1 craftworlder, 1 dark eldar 1 who "walks the path of both worlds" or what have you.
is the plastic eldrad available yet ? be him if not -- he's mentioned in the new book.
..or , of course, just some cool art to stick on the box.
But one wonders if the assembled image could then be seen as a countdown to 8th edition ?
So, to save me from having to sift through 95 pages of discussion, outside of Celestine, has there been any word on plastic sisters (in the near future) yet? The new Celestine is lovely and all, but I wouldn't be able to justify buying her without proper accompaniment, and I've wanted to do some sisters for the longest time.
I just noticed - the clock hands have moved from the picture in the 6th edition rulebooks. It basically had the time at "5 minutes to midnight" (two faces earlier).
Fafnir wrote: So, to save me from having to sift through 95 pages of discussion, outside of Celestine, has there been any word on plastic sisters (in the near future) yet? The new Celestine is lovely and all, but I wouldn't be able to justify buying her without proper accompaniment, and I've wanted to do some sisters for the longest time.
No news. She has an accompaniment though, in the form of her Sisters Geminae.
Red__Thirst wrote: It certainly has moved... It's moved approximately two minutes from the 6th edition book by my estimate.
Curious, and subtle, development.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Edit: Moved from the 6th edition rulebook to the new box art from the Triumverate we're inspecting.
The 7th edition one from rulebook is already moved, and not just the clockwork, the Outer main sphere at left has moved already as the little one at the bottom left.
Now it would be interesting to compare the 6th with 7th with the current one being show.
Fafnir wrote: So, to save me from having to sift through 95 pages of discussion, outside of Celestine, has there been any word on plastic sisters (in the near future) yet? The new Celestine is lovely and all, but I wouldn't be able to justify buying her without proper accompaniment, and I've wanted to do some sisters for the longest time.
No news. She has an accompaniment though, in the form of her Sisters Geminae.
Well, I know of her two BFFs, but building a full Sisters detachment with just them alone would prove difficult, even with top notch conversion skills (and a very deep wallet!).
Is that Triumvirate box a limited thing, or will I still be able to get one in 6 months? Same for the book, will it be continually available or just now?
Sorry for this possibly dumb question, I haven been out of the loop for some time.
Skylifter1000 wrote: Is that Triumvirate box a limited thing, or will I still be able to get one in 6 months? Same for the book, will it be continually available or just now?
Sorry for this possibly dumb question, I haven been out of the loop for some time.
As of now nothing points to limited, but do we ever really know?
Skylifter1000 wrote: Is that Triumvirate box a limited thing, or will I still be able to get one in 6 months? Same for the book, will it be continually available or just now?
Sorry for this possibly dumb question, I haven been out of the loop for some time.
I'm sure the Triumvirate box is limited, however they will likely be sold individually for 40-50 a pop. As for the book its likely a single print and when its out, its out.
But this is conjecture.
Skylifter1000 wrote: Interesting. I guess GW sales people don't actually know more, or do they?
Some things are flagged that way, like the Plasma Oblit, and the Shield, etc...
Some things they will stock for a while, but then eventually stop and like someone said then they will be released separately.
I would look at it as yes, it will not be around forever but it will not be gone this week.
I think they will last through the campaign but that is my guess.
Fafnir wrote: So, to save me from having to sift through 95 pages of discussion, outside of Celestine, has there been any word on plastic sisters (in the near future) yet? The new Celestine is lovely and all, but I wouldn't be able to justify buying her without proper accompaniment, and I've wanted to do some sisters for the longest time.
No news. She has an accompaniment though, in the form of her Sisters Geminae.
Well, I know of her two BFFs, but building a full Sisters detachment with just them alone would prove difficult, even with top notch conversion skills (and a very deep wallet!).
Nothing to do but wait and hope, I guess.
Priced it out through Ebay. Metal Celestine is going for $20-35... seraphim superiors are going for $30 each right now. After dealing with that metal, it's more economical getting the box.
Skylifter1000 wrote: Okay, thank you. I'll look into my budget and my relative urge to possess them.
Worst case scenario pick one or two and find someone else at your LGS or gaming circle that wants the other one or two and split it.
You can get the rest later
So by going by the clock picture we can assume there will be 3 more boxes?
This was posted on 4chan
I have see eldar boxes today, although I have not been able to make any photos, I have not been alone while leaving the boxes from the truck, but while working on the truck, they opened some
Asdrubael Vect it's on a grav plataform and the platform looks like the image of rumour engine, the same box also brings 2 incubi but are very different from the current ones as with thicker armor, but none of the 3 miniatures look like the image of the red eldar of fall of cadia.
There were other boxes containing larger boxes inside, but I've only seen a little piece of the side, in which an female eldar in a yellow and blue gown with the name ...of Iyanden (I could not see it all) under the portrait, the box was large so i guess that will contain more miniatures since it is bigger than the box of vect.
So first box is Triumvirate, second box will be those Eldar models and perhaps the 3rd box will be Dark Eldar with Vect? We should also get a chaos box, it'd be pretty odd if we didn't get one.
As for the clock ticking down to midnight, here are some pics of the Emperor on the throne. Don't know if there are more pictures but these are the ones I found in the rule books and he does seem to be deteriorating pretty badly.
Spoiler:
I was listening to a podcast during christmas and it mentioned that on every pic GW has released of the Emperor on the Golden throne he is looking more and more decayed. So I figured I'd compile a list of all pictures published by GW of the Golden Throne, problem is I don't know every instance it has been published. Does anyone have a list of all books in which is appears so I can compile them?
These are what I've found so far:
2E Found Nothing
MadCowCrazy wrote: So by going by the clock picture we can assume there will be 3 more boxes?
This was posted on 4chan
I have see eldar boxes today, although I have not been able to make any photos, I have not been alone while leaving the boxes from the truck, but while working on the truck, they opened some
Asdrubael Vect it's on a grav plataform and the platform looks like the image of rumour engine, the same box also brings 2 incubi but are very different from the current ones as with thicker armor, but none of the 3 miniatures look like the image of the red eldar of fall of cadia.
There were other boxes containing larger boxes inside, but I've only seen a little piece of the side, in which an female eldar in a yellow and blue gown with the name ...of Iyanden (I could not see it all) under the portrait, the box was large so i guess that will contain more miniatures since it is bigger than the box of vect.
So first box is Triumvirate, second box will be those Eldar models and perhaps the 3rd box will be Dark Eldar with Vect? We should also get a chaos box, it'd be pretty odd if we didn't get one.
As for the clock ticking down to midnight, here are some pics of the Emperor on the throne. Don't know if there are more pictures but these are the ones I found in the rule books and he does seem to be deteriorating pretty badly.
Spoiler:
I was listening to a podcast during christmas and it mentioned that on every pic GW has released of the Emperor on the Golden throne he is looking more and more decayed. So I figured I'd compile a list of all pictures published by GW of the Golden Throne, problem is I don't know every instance it has been published. Does anyone have a list of all books in which is appears so I can compile them?
These are what I've found so far:
2E Found Nothing
3E Rulebook
4E Found Nothing
5E Rulebook
6E Rulebook
I doubt Eldar and Dark Eldar will get separate Triumvirate boxes. Most likely a craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar and some other Eldar as the trio.
Hopefully the Abaddon box is a "true" scaled Terminator armor (juiced a bit) version plus his four Chosen (Horseman of a sort from the 3.5 codex and Adrian Smith artwork), instead of some enormous Kaijubbadon. That would be a nice Triumvirate size box for Chaos. And keep the Primarchs and Daemon Princes suitably impressive.
The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
I'd love to see him as a truescale termie, good way to beef him up to what is expected of 'hero' models now but without having to go down the prince route for the sake of making him bigger.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
It is worth mentioning that Cypher makes an uncredited appearance in "Fall of Cadia"...
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
It is worth mentioning that Cypher makes an uncredited appearance in "Fall of Cadia"...
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
The Loyalist Primarchs will be probably taking that place. I'd love a plastic version of Calgar and the Honor Guard though.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
It is worth mentioning that Cypher makes an uncredited appearance in "Fall of Cadia"...
Really?
Spill the beans - what's he up to in there?
Long story short?
We don't know!
There's a report on pg 68.
It's sent from Hydra Cordatus Sonde Relay by Vanguard Alpha 5-Vostok Harkon of the Sigma Maniple from Agripinaa Legio XXII. It details the Sigma Maniple under "sustained attack from unidentified robed assailant", seeking something from the catacombs.
I made those images... The Gold plate in that image is actually the base plate from a Tantalus, they are pretty much the same scale though. 40/50mm sounds about right on the base size.
As for the clock ticking down to midnight, here are some pics of the Emperor on the throne. Don't know if there are more pictures but these are the ones I found in the rule books and he does seem to be deteriorating pretty badly.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
It is worth mentioning that Cypher makes an uncredited appearance in "Fall of Cadia"...
Really?
Spill the beans - what's he up to in there?
Long story short?
We don't know!
There's a report on pg 68.
It's sent from Hydra Cordatus Sonde Relay by Vanguard Alpha 5-Vostok Harkon of the Sigma Maniple from Agripinaa Legio XXII. It details the Sigma Maniple under "sustained attack from unidentified robed assailant", seeking something from the catacombs.
How do you know that's Cypher and not Trayzn? The fortress on the planet has been described as made from unidentified self healing metal..... And was present back in 30k..... I've not got fall of cadia but if that's the only reference I find it easier to see either Necron or Mechanicus tech being there.
As for the clock ticking down to midnight, here are some pics of the Emperor on the throne. Don't know if there are more pictures but these are the ones I found in the rule books and he does seem to be deteriorating pretty badly.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The lack of SM in the current Imperial triumvirate is kinda odd considering they are the poster force for the whole setting. There is plenty of scope for a "Triumvirate of the Adaptus Astartes" if GW felt that way inclined. But now that we know the clock is existing(although modified) artwork, the idea of three more boxes to complete the face seems less likely IMO.
Dante and Azrael are pretty old now. Add in a renewed Calgar (doesn't need it though) or one of the returned Primarch (Roboute G-MAX) and there you go.
It is worth mentioning that Cypher makes an uncredited appearance in "Fall of Cadia"...
Really?
Spill the beans - what's he up to in there?
Long story short?
We don't know!
There's a report on pg 68.
It's sent from Hydra Cordatus Sonde Relay by Vanguard Alpha 5-Vostok Harkon of the Sigma Maniple from Agripinaa Legio XXII. It details the Sigma Maniple under "sustained attack from unidentified robed assailant", seeking something from the catacombs.
How do you know that's Cypher and not Trayzn? The fortress on the planet has been described as made from unidentified self healing metal..... And was present back in 30k..... I've not got fall of cadia but if that's the only reference I find it easier to see either Necron or Mechanicus tech being there.
Because the individual in question is "identified" to be using Pre-Heresy Astartes combat tactics?
JustaerinAtTheWall wrote:Seperate kits would be a godsend for me, as I only really want Belisarius Cawl, and $80 is a bit too much for my budget.
I'd say yes... the characters are on separate sprues so it would be easy to rebox. I suspect it will be a long time before we see individual kits however... and when we do they will be at a higher price. The Inquisitor would likely be $30 alone... extrapolate from there.
BrookM wrote:I could see them do another Imperial one though after they've done both Eldar and Chaos, maybe having it contain a Primarch or the like.
I have no sources or anything but I wouldn't get hung up on 3 characters per box... they could do 4 or 5 or they could do 2. Seriously, Craw is huge and Celestine is really 3. You could easily do 6 or 7 characters with the same amount of plastic.
I'd guess Cawl will be so close in price to the triumvirate price you'd be much better off just getting the triumvirate box and selling off the other components.
Or even just keeping them for yourself; I can't imagine a special character like Cawl going below GBP35/€45/USD60 or so.
Damnit, now that Cawl is out, I have no real good reason not to get Start Collecting Skitarii so I have ally them with some of my armies. Putting him in a Dominus Maniple seems like the cheapest way to get him on the board.
I feel like the only person that is perplexed that the Imperial guard isn't the star of the show, and even more more perplexed that they have been barely mentioned.
Sledgehammer wrote: I feel like the only person that is perplexed that the Imperial guard isn't the star of the show, and even more more perplexed that they have been barely mentioned.
You read the book? Imperial guard are like 2/3rds of Fall of Cadia.
You'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise though. Every photo, every bit of publicity, has been Triumvirate this, Black Templars that, Sisters the other, and some AdMech for fun.
Sledgehammer wrote: I feel like the only person that is perplexed that the Imperial guard isn't the star of the show, and even more more perplexed that they have been barely mentioned.
You read the book? Imperial guard are like 2/3rds of Fall of Cadia.
No, but I've been following it, and haven't really seen anyone mention them besides you right now. You may very well be right, so that is a relief.
Hopefully there are some more IG models and releases in the future corresponding to this campaign.
I would love a general Guard line update. New Shock Trooper kits, an updated Jungle Fighters line, plastic Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion etc...
I think the problem with promoting the IG with the fall of Cadia is that it's a lot harder to market them to the adolescent boys market. Your individual guardsman is a lot less badass and capable than a marine, while also being harder to paint well and requiring higher numbers to boot. It doesn't help that the Cadian poster boys are ugly as sin, too.
In order for IG to be appealing, you need to have empathy for the humanity (and humour) of their struggle, which is something that the group who GW considers the core of their market doesn't really appreciate at their age.
All that aside, I'd love to see infantry boxes for more Guard regiments. Beyond Cadians just being ugly, there's just a lot of variety that I feel is being missed out on.
Yeah I really hope they take this opportunity to update the AM plastics. The Cadians have probably turned off a lot of people from doing Guard. Just look at how much better the Cadian Command Squad looks without those balloon heads, brick feet and mitten hands.
War Kitten wrote: I would love a general Guard line update. New Shock Trooper kits, an updated Jungle Fighters line, plastic Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion etc...
Sledgehammer wrote: I feel like the only person that is perplexed that the Imperial guard isn't the star of the show, and even more more perplexed that they have been barely mentioned.
You read the book? Imperial guard are like 2/3rds of Fall of Cadia.
No, but I've been following it, and haven't really seen anyone mention them besides you right now. You may very well be right, so that is a relief.
Hopefully there are some more IG models and releases in the future corresponding to this campaign.
Yeh there are tons of guard in the book, but Cadia falls so most dont fare too well. Creed could get a new model down the line.
I was going to ask if the I is an I for Inquisition or a roman numeral 1. I have my answer now. Curious how many books there will be or is it once a month till June?
I am curious now if it is one a month, if 8th will be 8th edition in August.
War Kitten wrote: I would love a general Guard line update. New Shock Trooper kits, an updated Jungle Fighters line, plastic Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion etc...
will never happen ....
but i would kill for plastic vostroyans!
Thousand Sons got plastic. Tzeentch is getting updates. Anything can happen.
Except for Malal returning, the job is on Archaon's hands now.
I was going to ask if the I is an I for Inquisition or a roman numeral 1. I have my answer now. Curious how many books there will be or is it once a month till June?
I am curious now if it is one a month, if 8th will be 8th edition in August.
When is the actual 30th anniversary date?
Chances are there will be two books for The Gathering Storm, just like there were two books for Warzone Fenris and two for Warzone Damoclese.
I was going to ask if the I is an I for Inquisition or a roman numeral 1. I have my answer now. Curious how many books there will be or is it once a month till June?
I am curious now if it is one a month, if 8th will be 8th edition in August.
When is the actual 30th anniversary date?
I'm intrigued to know how many books there are as well. I do find it kind of interesting that Cawl is standing upon a book with a sculpted "IV" on its spine.
Just saw this. It seems to confirm my previous suspicions that we will get Gathering Storm books with a focus on Combined Factions (Grand Alliances if you will).
Minor Fall of Cadia spoilers follow:
Spoiler:
In fall of Cadia there are 4 confirmed Eldar characters. The first is the Shadower, Veilwalker, who appears a number of times throughout the book. The other 3 appear briefly at the end. They are Eldrad Ulthran (who Cawl recognises), "...a female attired in an elaborate gown who appeared to be directing proceedings...", and "…a warrior in crimson, his raiment echoing the Craftworld Aspect armour and the crueller plate of the Commorite pirates. Cawl found no record of its design, even in the deepest archives."
Also note that DE wyches turn up alongside Eldar at the end, so it seems that all the Eldar factions are best bros now. I'm expecting a combined Detachment in The Gathering Storm 2, and as a DE player I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.
I was going to ask if the I is an I for Inquisition or a roman numeral 1. I have my answer now. Curious how many books there will be or is it once a month till June?
I am curious now if it is one a month, if 8th will be 8th edition in August.
When is the actual 30th anniversary date?
Chances are there will be two books for The Gathering Storm, just like there were two books for Warzone Fenris and two for Warzone Damoclese.
I suspect 4 with the following focuses Imperium, Eldar, Mixed Xenos, and Chaos.
I know Atia debunked it but I keep coming back to that faeit rumour from July. It said the the eye of terror book was the second campaign but it got many of the involved factions correct including necrons. The first campaign mentioned was war of the webway featuring the thousand sons which seems to be the way that gathering storm part two is headed.
There are some details wrong but if that was a wish list, it was a very good one.
Each book has two though. So after gathering storm 2 then we will have 4 more books by that theory.
Two for the xenos, two for chaos. I imagine the Tau and their big plot will have the involvement of them and key players in their area Imperial and Xenos alike. So whatever the other Xenos book is I can't say. It all depends on who is included in the first one.
Anyone who didn't see gathering storm 2 coming has not been paying attention very well.
Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
I'm not familiar with eldar lore as well as Tau. I would think it might be a new symbol for the unified Eldar? Unless someone can identify it. I mean it's just an idea.
Chikout wrote: I know Atia debunked it but I keep coming back to that faeit rumour from July. It said the the eye of terror book was the second campaign but it got many of the involved factions correct including necrons. The first campaign mentioned was war of the webway featuring the thousand sons which seems to be the way that gathering storm part two is headed.
There are some details wrong but if that was a wish list, it was a very good one.
Not only did Atia, but the rumor itself has debunked it.
Nevelon wrote: Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
It's not a single rune that exists right now.
There are three elements to look into: The Infinity Circuit symbol(or the "Cosmic Serpent"; I can't get a good still image of it to see whether it is a single interconnected rune or if it has a small 'gap' between the double diamonds). Striking Scorpion symbol(triangle/delta with the 'pincers' and triple line under the double diamonds) The 'tail'. Closest match is from the Autarch.
War Kitten wrote: I would love a general Guard line update. New Shock Trooper kits, an updated Jungle Fighters line, plastic Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion etc...
will never happen ....
but i would kill for plastic vostroyans!
Thousand Sons got plastic. Tzeentch is getting updates. Anything can happen.
"Anything can happen" -Sure, but the probability is just incredibly low. I think if the guardsmen get redone, I think it'll be in the vein of Storm Troopers... something aesthetically new and distinctive with throwbacks to some of these older regiments. GW can write it off as 2nd most common IG gear coming into greater use now that Cadia is gone.
If the Tzeentch update shows us anything it shows GW is still thinking of their kits modularly where a small individual sprue can change the nature of a kit, such as Tzangors is AoS and 40k each having just a one sprue difference, or the way they simply added Deathwatch species to a variety of kits. Where I'm going with this is maybe GW should go back to one concept they had but never fully pursued back in 2nd edition. Before they came up with the different IG regiments we're familiar with, they conceptualized a guardsmen where different, yet aesthetically similar components that could be mixed in different combinations to produce a jungle, snow, or desert trooper etc... unlike then they have the resources to do that in plastic.
War Kitten wrote: I would love a general Guard line update. New Shock Trooper kits, an updated Jungle Fighters line, plastic Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians, Steel Legion etc...
will never happen ....
but i would kill for plastic vostroyans!
Thousand Sons got plastic. Tzeentch is getting updates. Anything can happen.
"Anything can happen" -Sure, but the probability is just incredibly low. I think if the guardsmen get redone, I think it'll be in the vein of Storm Troopers... something aesthetically new and distinctive with throwbacks to some of these older regiments. GW can write it off as 2nd most common IG gear coming into greater use now that Cadia is gone.
It's worth noting that Cadia being gone wouldn't mean that gear would go away.
Cadia didn't export stuff. Forge Worlds supplied them with gear, not the other way around.
If Exodites happen then I will continue to pray for Kroot. I am one with the Kroot and the Kroot is with me. I am one with the Kroot, and the Kroot is with me.
Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time. Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
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The rune is not Exodite you've proven that. I still think it's good Exodites will appear though.
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Go to the Atia section and search Exodites and boom. She said eventually but no ETA and that was last year. There is no other more relevant time than now for Exodites to appear. What would the point of a combines arms Eldar race be if it didn't include the Exodites for moving us to 1 minute to midnight in the story? It's also a faction people have wanted for a long time now myself included.
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I know for a fact if Exodites are released this year I'm grabbing them. It's only craft world kin I find way too annoying. I was planning for a new army release budget this year.
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Go to the Atia section and search Exodites and boom. She said eventually but no ETA and that was last year. There is no other more relevant time than now for Exodites to appear. What would the point of a combines arms Eldar race be if it didn't include the Exodites for moving us to 1 minute to midnight in the story?
Edit I know for a fact if Exodites are released this year I'm grabbing them. It's only craft world kin I find way too annoying. I was planning for a new army release budget this year.
So she says "eventually but no ETA"...and you assume that means this year?
I've never claimed to be one and never will until someone actually shares something with me no one else knows. All I do is read stuff, regurgitate out a vile putrid vomit in all of your faces, and analyze it to arrive at good conclusions to weed out the likely from the unlikely.
Nevelon wrote: Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
It's not a single rune that exists right now.
There are three elements to look into:
The Infinity Circuit symbol(or the "Cosmic Serpent"; I can't get a good still image of it to see whether it is a single interconnected rune or if it has a small 'gap' between the double diamonds).
Striking Scorpion symbol(triangle/delta with the 'pincers' and triple line under the double diamonds)
The 'tail'. Closest match is from the Autarch.
So Iyanna, Arhra and Yriel? That would be the Spiritseer, the Father of Scorpions (who would have the "mixed" armor being both founder of the Striking Scorpions and a probable champion of the Incubi) and the Autarch.
Gamgee wrote: I've never claimed to be one and never will until someone actually shares something with me no one else knows. All I do is read stuff, regurgitate out a vile putrid vomit in all of your faces, and analyze it to arrive at good conclusions to weed out the likely from the unlikely.
Nevelon wrote: Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
It's not a single rune that exists right now.
There are three elements to look into:
The Infinity Circuit symbol(or the "Cosmic Serpent"; I can't get a good still image of it to see whether it is a single interconnected rune or if it has a small 'gap' between the double diamonds).
Striking Scorpion symbol(triangle/delta with the 'pincers' and triple line under the double diamonds)
The 'tail'. Closest match is from the Autarch.
The double diamonds are connected to each other, but separate from the rest of the rune.
Nevelon wrote: Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
It's not a single rune that exists right now.
There are three elements to look into:
The Infinity Circuit symbol(or the "Cosmic Serpent"; I can't get a good still image of it to see whether it is a single interconnected rune or if it has a small 'gap' between the double diamonds).
Striking Scorpion symbol(triangle/delta with the 'pincers' and triple line under the double diamonds)
The 'tail'. Closest match is from the Autarch.
So Iyanna, Arhra and Yriel? That would be the Spiritseer, the Father of Scorpions (who would have the "mixed" armor being both founder of the Striking Scorpions and a probable champion of the Incubi) and the Autarch.
Fall of Cadia only mentions Eldrad (by name), Veilwalker, a female, and a "crimson warrior", so I don't know how there can be all 3 of those you mentioned.
Gamgee wrote: I've never claimed to be one and never will until someone actually shares something with me no one else knows. All I do is read stuff, regurgitate out a vile putrid vomit in all of your faces, and analyze it to arrive at good conclusions to weed out the likely from the unlikely.
Self declared Good*
Well without getting off topic do anyone of us think we come to bad conclusions? If so would we not commit suicide all at once at such horrifyingly awful lives if we had no confidence that we did anything right in our lives? Do you think YOU come to bad conclusions or that your whole life is wrong? If I didn't have the confidence to at least think my own actions were good enough to bring myself happiness I would be pretty miserable. How about yourself?
Nevelon wrote: Anyone recognize that rune? It looks like a Autarch rune, but with the infinity circuit symbol above it. Quick undercaffeinated survey of my shelf doesn’t show a match.
It's not a single rune that exists right now.
There are three elements to look into:
The Infinity Circuit symbol(or the "Cosmic Serpent"; I can't get a good still image of it to see whether it is a single interconnected rune or if it has a small 'gap' between the double diamonds).
Striking Scorpion symbol(triangle/delta with the 'pincers' and triple line under the double diamonds)
The 'tail'. Closest match is from the Autarch.
The double diamonds are connected to each other, but separate from the rest of the rune.
I'd love if the 'crimson Incubus' turns out to be Arhra, but hopefully they confirm that he has been Drazhar this whole time and just now decided to reveal himself. Otherwise, he needs to be someone else.
I've also heard Vect is on the way, but nothing confirmed yet.
Gamgee wrote: I've never claimed to be one and never will until someone actually shares something with me no one else knows. All I do is read stuff, regurgitate out a vile putrid vomit in all of your faces, and analyze it to arrive at good conclusions to weed out the likely from the unlikely.
Self declared Good*
Well without getting off topic do anyone of us think we come to bad conclusions? If so would we not commit suicide all at once at such horrifyingly awful lives if we had no confidence that we did anything right in our lives? Do you think YOU come to bad conclusions or that your whole life is wrong? If I didn't have the confidence to at least think my own actions were good enough to bring myself happiness I would be pretty miserable. How about yourself?
I don't feel the need to fill threads with idle speculation about stuff I don't know, nor the need to assure everyone of my fantastic judgement regarding rumors. YMMV.
Gamgee wrote: I've never claimed to be one and never will until someone actually shares something with me no one else knows. All I do is read stuff, regurgitate out a vile putrid vomit in all of your faces, and analyze it to arrive at good conclusions to weed out the likely from the unlikely.
Self declared Good*
Well without getting off topic do anyone of us think we come to bad conclusions? If so would we not commit suicide all at once at such horrifyingly awful lives if we had no confidence that we did anything right in our lives? Do you think YOU come to bad conclusions or that your whole life is wrong? If I didn't have the confidence to at least think my own actions were good enough to bring myself happiness I would be pretty miserable. How about yourself?
I don't feel the need to fill threads with idle speculation about stuff I don't know, nor the need to assure everyone of my fantastic judgement regarding rumors. YMMV.
*looks at the Topic saying "rumors"* *looks at the Forum section saying "rumors"*
Mate, you've come to the wrong place then. And you're very VERY off-topic here, so can you move this somewhere else please?
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
I seriously doubt it will be Exodites, they're space amish and have no place in a major galactic war with Chaos. What it is lilkely to be is a Harlequin and Eldrad led allience of the Harlequins, Craftworld and Dark Eldar since all of them have vested interests in seeing Chaos, particularly Slaanesh, beaten.
Maybe thats what this new rune is for, to symbalise a desperate alliance between the 3 main Eldar Factions (who, whilst perfectly willing to work together against an outside threat, still don't like each other).
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Go to the Atia section and search Exodites and boom. She said eventually but no ETA and that was last year. There is no other more relevant time than now for Exodites to appear. What would the point of a combines arms Eldar race be if it didn't include the Exodites for moving us to 1 minute to midnight in the story? It's also a faction people have wanted for a long time now myself included.
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I know for a fact if Exodites are released this year I'm grabbing them. It's only craft world kin I find way too annoying. I was planning for a new army release budget this year.
If they were coming this year gw would know eta last year.
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Altansar is already mainstream fluff now?
Not sure what you mean by mainstream fluff, because they have been in the fluff since 4e. Its Maugan Ra's Craftworld.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
If that's the guy the fluff is describing, he certainly looks like he could be an Exodite. As others pointed out, he probably isn't, but the furred pelt on his shoulder is an unusual touch for any Eldar.
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Altansar is already mainstream fluff now?
Not sure what you mean by mainstream fluff, because they have been in the fluff since 4e. Its Maugan Ra's Craftworld.
As in 'out and about and not trapped in the Eye anymore' mainstream
He certainly could be an Exodite character, although I do not think that suggests an Exodite army in the near future. Just an acknowledgement of the varied paths Eldar take.
The 3 top theories IMO are: Exodite, Arhra or a Corsair Prince. Given how big he is in both the art and that background shot of his model (where he looks twice as tall as the guardians in the foreground), I am guessing Arhra is the most likely of those 3
Gamgee wrote: Hmm... I still think Exodites are coming. Atia has even said they are an eventuality and now is the perfect time.
Quote and link to the post, please.
Other rumors have said there are a few armies left. I think if anything has a shot of appearing it's Exodites. I suppose it could be GW's take on corsairs, but that seems more of a FW thing now.
If anything has a shot of appearing, it's Altansar.
Altansar is already mainstream fluff now?
Not sure what you mean by mainstream fluff, because they have been in the fluff since 4e. Its Maugan Ra's Craftworld.
As in 'out and about and not trapped in the Eye anymore' mainstream
Then yes, I think they are. They are mentioned as not wholely trusted by the other Eldar after being released from the Eye. Something about always wearing helmets and speaking in hushed tones.
Yeah the Altansar never remove their helmets in the presence of non-Altansar Eldar. This has lead many to suspect that they have been mutated by their time in the Eye.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
Galef wrote: He certainly could be an Exodite character, although I do not think that suggests an Exodite army in the near future. Just an acknowledgement of the varied paths Eldar take.
The 3 top theories IMO are: Exodite, Arhra or a Corsair Prince.
Given how big he is in both the art and that background shot of his model (where he looks twice as tall as the guardians in the foreground), I am guessing Arhra is the most likely of those 3
Ignore the Guardians in the foreground, the Windriders he's standing next to suggest he's normal infantry size.
The 3 top theories IMO are: Exodite, Arhra or a Corsair Prince.
gotta include Yriel in that list.
Not sure what you mean? Yriel already has a model and if he gets a plastic, he'll probably look similar as now. The "red incubus" looks nothing like Yriel But if you mean as possible Triumvirate candidate, sure Yriel is a contender
Looking at the picture of the model again, I gotta say, he looks tall, but still within the realm of "normal" Eldar infantry Thanx for finding that TheDraconicLord!
The 3 top theories IMO are: Exodite, Arhra or a Corsair Prince.
gotta include Yriel in that list.
I'm not so convinced any more. There's no spear in sight and he's clearly holding a big sword. Last time we heard about Yriel he was being persuaded to not give up the spear.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
I was thinking that, but Fall of Cadia describes him standing still and that's not Khan's style.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
Only if he's got really short, that model is standard Kabalite size.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
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Here ya go:
That is one big Eldar.
No that is one normal sized eldar. Look at the windriders right behind him and the wraith guard near him. He is 32mm heroic scale infantry.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
Only if he's got really short, that model is standard Kabalite size.
Seriously, blows my mind how many people are acting like that model is huge, its standard Kabalite warrior scale. Those aren't vypers behind him their windriders.
The 3 top theories IMO are: Exodite, Arhra or a Corsair Prince.
gotta include Yriel in that list.
Not sure what you mean? Yriel already has a model and if he gets a plastic, he'll probably look similar as now. The "red incubus" looks nothing like Yriel
But if you mean as possible Triumvirate candidate, sure Yriel is a contender
Looking at the picture of the model again, I gotta say, he looks tall, but still within the realm of "normal" Eldar infantry
Thanx for finding that TheDraconicLord!
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Last we saw Yriel it seemed that he was leaving Iyanden to join the Harlequins, so him carrying on with his Autarch wargear wouldn't make much sense. If thats the route GW are going with him then I'd expect to see him with new wargear and rules. As the only named charcter that seems to have close ties to all 4 of the main Eldar factions it would actually make a lot of sense to have him involved, but as has been mentioned the lack of anything that could be described as the Spear of Twilight counts against the red guy being Yriel.
Ninety nine pages... geeze. I literally don't have time to search through all of that, heh. Can anyone summarize the rumors (or lack thereof) of sisters releases so far?
Haven't heard of anything other than the Celestine + Geminae Sisters yet.
Melissia wrote: Ninety nine pages... geeze. I literally don't have time to search through all of that, heh. Can anyone summarize the rumors (or lack thereof) of sisters releases so far?
You got Celestine back with twin seraphim guards and a formationj with every which hunter and the kitchen sink involved.... thats it mate.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
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Here ya go:
That is one big Eldar.
No that is one normal sized eldar. Look at the windriders right behind him and the wraith guard near him. He is 32mm heroic scale infantry.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
Only if he's got really short, that model is standard Kabalite size.
Seriously, blows my mind how many people are acting like that model is huge, its standard Kabalite warrior scale. Those aren't vypers behind him their windriders.
They looked like Vypers to me, but Im not that familiar with Eldar vehicles.
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
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Here ya go:
That is one big Eldar.
No that is one normal sized eldar. Look at the windriders right behind him and the wraith guard near him. He is 32mm heroic scale infantry.
Left field theory is it's one of the Primarchs captured by the Dark Eldar. Given the description of him in the book, that is less likely. But still, he's a big one. Looks almost wraithguard size.
Jaghatai Khan with a bad case of Stockholm syndrome being the theory?
Only if he's got really short, that model is standard Kabalite size.
Seriously, blows my mind how many people are acting like that model is huge, its standard Kabalite warrior scale. Those aren't vypers behind him their windriders.
They looked like Vypers to me, but Im not that familiar with Eldar vehicles.
Nah, I'm looking at it now in the book, they're definitely Windriders. He's also signifcantly smaller than the Wraithguard in front of him,
Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing
I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.
Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?
Barzam wrote: If that's the guy the fluff is describing, he certainly looks like he could be an Exodite. As others pointed out, he probably isn't, but the furred pelt on his shoulder is an unusual touch for any Eldar.
Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing
I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.
Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?
He tried to take control of a Blackstone fortress with his mind and ended up trapped inside it with some kind of really powerful Slaaneshi thing.
Melissia wrote: Guessed as much. Ah well. Back to being a cynical lurker.
On the bright side, Castellans of the Imperium detachment can be seen as a significant boost for the Sisters if you're willing to take one single non-sisters model in the list, namely Mr. Toquemada Coteaz, who is helpfully included in your codex: imperial agents if you bought that.
if you take him as one of your HQs, you have a detachment that is idententical to 2 CAD detachments (minimum 2 HQs up to 4, min 4 troops, 0-6 of every other slot), that grants you obsec to your whole army, Hatred to your whole army, and troop units that are destroyed return to reserves on a 5+.
Add in the new, amazingly good Saint Celestine, and sisters of battle are in the best spot they've been in for years, game power wise. Sadly, no new plastics other than those yet.
He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.
Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.
Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.
Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.
Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing
I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.
Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?
40K uses comic book rules for character death. No body? Not dead. If there is a body there only dead until the writers decide otherwise. For reference see Bucky, Jason todd, Peter parkers parents and every member of a X team that ever "died" To be fair though Eldrads final fate was left somewhat ambiguous in the original campaign IIRC
The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?
Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.
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Here ya go:
Whaaat. Seems to be an eldar pirate with fashionable fashion-sense and Commoragh background? Wyches present in the fight? Might it be the return of Sliscus?
I mean Phil Kelly's writing most of the background/story stuf, still right?
SeanDrake wrote: He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.
Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.
Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.
Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.
He's not small, he's a normal proportions eldar character. People are projecting like mad when they are suggesting he is somehow massive. Arhiman for example is larger then a normal chaos space marine while still clearly being a CSM himself, simply more ornate and posed wider. This is the same situation. Look at the plastic Archon if you don't believe me, his model stands apart from normal infantry and he towers over them on his base, this is that same situation.
SeanDrake wrote: He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.
Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.
Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.
Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.
Nah, he's significantly smaller than the Wraithguard, he's standing just by a few of them in the book image.
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
The aesthetics of that model point strongly towards DE, although Corsair is also a possibility. I find it interesting, however, that he is pictured with CW Eldar, and in the art he is with Templars.
Whoever this guy is, he sure likes to stand apart.
Do the Pheonix Lords have their own runes? And if so, do we know what Ahra's looks like?
I have a funny feeling the rune in the trailer might represent Ahra given it's semblance to the Striking Scorpion symbol with the addition of a tail (which to me looks like the bottom of the Diabolical rune, which makes sense since Ahra fell from grace into darkness) and the Infinity rune (which as pointed out earlier is the same rune used to represent the Infinity Circuit, but the rune also means Infinity by itself) and given the Phoenix Lords are theoretically eternal - or 'infinite' - it makes sense.
Galef wrote: I'd love if the 'crimson Incubus' turns out to be Arhra, but hopefully they confirm that he has been Drazhar this whole time and just now decided to reveal himself.
Otherwise, he needs to be someone else.
I've also heard Vect is on the way, but nothing confirmed yet.
I hope he isn't Drazhar. I love him, but I'd like him to be updated with a new codex, and this be a new character.
Considering the size of the first character set. Veilwalker, the female and the crimson warrior would be a much smaller set. So perhaps there is space for Vect too?
Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing
I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.
Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?
40K uses comic book rules for character death. No body? Not dead. If there is a body there only dead until the writers decide otherwise. For reference see Bucky, Jason todd, Peter parkers parents and every member of a X team that ever "died" To be fair though Eldrads final fate was left somewhat ambiguous in the original campaign IIRC
Alpharius wrote: Actually, Peter's parents too - they haven't come back. Yet.
As for Eldrad, as noted, this may be set 'before' his 'death', so the timeline might get back there again, or it might be changed.
We'll see!
So maybe he will die then and we know how, but just like The Eye of Terror campaign, we know the ending, but not the story, so now we are getting the story. Time will tell. I am really liking this new approach. So it's like Horus Heresy. We know the ending, but now we have the story getting to it.
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
I bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.
Faux (wraith) fur? And you don't have to eat the previous wearer. The pelt-wearing Warlock in the 4th edition rulebook has a Gyrinx. Hmmm...
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
I bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.
Faux (wraith) fur? And you don't have to eat the previous wearer. The pelt-wearing Warlock in the 4th edition rulebook has a Gyrinx. Hmmm...
The Description made them sound more like Vegans then Vegetarian. I.E: "abstaining from the use of all animal products not just dietary". I recall in the book Fulgrim, Eldrad looking done upon the Emperor's Children wearing Leather Pteruges on their armour and such.
Now. All of these descriptions I can recall were in regards to Eldrad and his followers, So I guess other Craftworlds, Farseers, and Warlocks may not share the same views. But it realy gave me the perception it was all craftworld eldar.
I kinda dug the idea of it, because it sort of frameed everything around the old philosophy of the "Humours" and the four Temperaments. "Humours" from medieval medicine. More or less the short of it, it had "you are what you eat", and eating to much foods like Red Meat can cause people to become more aggressive for example. (Get's more complex then that, but a easy example.)
The Highly psychic eldar finding themselves influenced by their choice in diet makes alot of sence to me.
I'm quite tired ATM wright this, and hopeing my typo's aren't to bad ATM.
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.
But that's incorrect. We've seen Exodites trading animal products with the craftworlds, including meat.
Alternate reality Ben got spider powers and recently teamed up with other Spider people to take down a family of interdimensional vampires
Alpharius wrote: Actually, Peter's parents too - they haven't come back. Yet.
As for Eldrad, as noted, this may be set 'before' his 'death', so the timeline might get back there again, or it might be changed.
We'll see!
They turned out to be robots built by the Green goblin, nothing to do with the writers realising they had made a huge mistake
I think that whatever happened to Eldrad has either been erased, or vol2 of the gathering storm will reveal how he escaped. The end of vol1 seems to be after the end of the old eye of terror campaign.
aka_mythos wrote: Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.
Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DEHq-models/characters!
There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).
A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.
But that's incorrect. We've seen Exodites trading animal products with the craftworlds, including meat.
Korlandril, the Eldar character in the BL novel Path of the Warrior also sees and eats meat in the canteen aboard an Eldar ship while en route to battle.
Possibly related to the gathering storm - Eldar are getting sort of renamed to "Aeldari". Still known as/call themselves Eldar, but official name is Aeldari (a la humans vs homo sapiens I guess)
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