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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/14 22:26:56


Post by: The_Blackadder


Since my Warhound titan is ostensibly complete

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/226296.page

I figure I'll have a go at the BOLS Warlord Titan so ably constructed by Dave Smith.

This is a seriously complex model and as I have little to go on except for the following images it will be even a more daunting task than Lucie.

To refresh your memory here are the images I have of the Dave Smith model:

And so it begins,

The Blackadder

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/14 22:28:24


Post by: ghosty


Well.

Goodluck!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/14 22:29:38


Post by: cormz


ghosty wrote:Well.

Goodluck!

You are definetaly gonna need it.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 00:03:16


Post by: Quintinus


Good luck!

For the life of me I can't figure out why the Titan in the picture has camouflage though.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 00:21:45


Post by: oadie


^^^ I always wondered about that, too.

This is one hell of a project. When I first saw that titan, I thought it was CG. If you can recreate this bad boy, even half as well, it'll stomp all over most of the scratchbuilt titans you see on the net.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 00:49:31


Post by: alarmingrick


i'll Agree with the well wishers and raise you a "i think you can pull it off!"!
can't wait!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 00:50:30


Post by: Nurglitch


That's an awesome Warlord Titan. I think one of its most important qualities is detail: too many scratch-built Titan models lack the detail to scale them as gigantic walking battleships. You've shown that you can do the detail required to make your version of this Titan work.

There's a bunch of pictures showing the building process Dave used, and digging them up might help the project save nine in the planning stages.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 09:30:03


Post by: The_Blackadder


Nurglitch wrote:That's an awesome Warlord Titan. I think one of its most important qualities is detail: too many scratch-built Titan models lack the detail to scale them as gigantic walking battleships. You've shown that you can do the detail required to make your version of this Titan work.

There's a bunch of pictures showing the building process Dave used, and digging them up might help the project save nine in the planning stages.


I can't believe all the replies with so little outpouring of effort on my part as yet; thanks for the interest and well wishes.

Nurglitch, I really could use those building images if you would post them here. I only have a few and they are very tiny. The best information I have received is that the foot pads are 3.0 inches in diameter which is a helpful start and that the finished model stands 28 inches tall.

I already have an idea how to make the foot pads but the "toes" appear to fold down and retract a bit on when it steps. Since this will be an articulated model I would like to incorporate that feature so it looks right when the foot pad is lifted.


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I like the camouflage although it seems superfluous on a vehicle this large. My first impulse would be to paint it gray (yawn) but it needs some colour for interest and to paint it up like some out-sized circus float would demean the majesty of the beast.

And it matches the army surrounding it so chalk it up to artistic license.

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 12:20:03


Post by: akira5665


I am by no means an expert or anything but I have built a few Titans in my day, I will watch this with interest, and help where I can.

I found sometimes doing Google searches for "Warlord Titan' threads in Blogs came come up with some interesting template?(Sometimes)


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 16:13:06


Post by: ghosty


Why IS that titan camouflaged i wonder?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 17:41:01


Post by: Kryppers


ghosty wrote:Why IS that titan camouflaged i wonder?


You know, I've seen that titan dozens of times and it's only just occurred to me as well..

a good way to break up otherwise flat, detail-less surfaces though.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 17:59:25


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Given the outstandingly awesome look of Lucie, I reckon you've got a good shot at pulling this one off. I have faith!

Ps. How long do you think it will take though, considering the timescale on lucie?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 18:11:32


Post by: CommissarKhaine


Considering Lucie, I'll be following this one very eagerly. As for the camouflage: so it's hidden when standing against a mountain?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 18:56:53


Post by: jabbakahut


Yep, mmhmm. Start really slowly.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 21:59:07


Post by: Nurglitch


The_Blackadder:

That's all I got. There's more, if the file-names are to be believed. Maybe email Dave for info? Surely some BOLS member of Dakka can set you up.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 22:03:26


Post by: drukawski


ghosty wrote:Why IS that titan camouflaged i wonder?


Because they don't make ghillie suits that big, duh!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 22:07:38


Post by: Nurglitch


It'd be pretty funny to see a Warlord get the drop on a Gargant because of its camouflage, sidling closer when the Gretchin crewmen are looking the other way or arguing amongst themselves. I wonder if the guy who does DaRealWurld40k takes commissions...


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/15 22:56:56


Post by: The Dreadnote


Well, this should be good.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 00:32:45


Post by: Ghost in the Darkness


Wow I will follow this to the end.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 01:26:15


Post by: Oshunai


Following now and waiting on tenterhooks to see what happens. Best of luck Blackadder! You'll be needing it!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 01:40:09


Post by: J-Roc77


I think you should rename this to "I have a cunning plan!". I did like your Warhound, so I am betting this turns out as well. I will be checking in I am sure to see how cool its turning out.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 07:34:47


Post by: Great Unclean One


This is going to be a daunting project for you, but if you pull it off it'll be damn amazing, good luck dude!




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 09:53:21


Post by: The_Blackadder


J-Roc77 wrote:I think you should rename this to "I have a cunning plan!". I did like your Warhound, so I am betting this turns out as well. I will be checking in I am sure to see how cool its turning out.


I'm going to relegate this post to the "Damn I wish I'd said that." department. What a great title, Thanks Roc77.......

but on second thought; it's Baldrick not Blackadder that has the cunning plan and it usually involves a turnip. Supposing I were to make it of such a transient substance; where would I find a rutabaga of such gargantuan proportions I wonder?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 10:02:08


Post by: The_Blackadder


Enough fooling around. I have already discarded my first attempt at the foot pads and a study of the retracting effect visible in one of the photos lead me to believe the foot and toes were actually removed for visual effectiveness in the picture. I'm glad I discovered this before too much effort was expended in the project.

BTW thanks Nurglitch for the images.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 10:42:01


Post by: The_Blackadder


I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 12:18:52


Post by: The_Blackadder


The following is my conjecture and should not be confused with the actual article. I my estimation the waist is made of foamcore poster board and may be too weak for a poseable model.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 12:29:24


Post by: MasterSlowPoke


The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


They're around the low end of 24" - check out the chart in Dreadnote's sig.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 13:10:37


Post by: The_Blackadder


MasterSlowPoke wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


They're around the low end of 24" - check out the chart in Dreadnote's sig.


Link please?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 13:14:07


Post by: The Dreadnote


You rang?

Personally I'd have no beef with 28"...


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 13:25:01


Post by: The_Blackadder


Separating the wheat from the chaff I omitted all the extraneous clutter to make the details more readily visible.

Here are the leg details:



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 13:36:21


Post by: hendaron


really good luck with it
because this is a hell of a task
(i AND my brother already putted 8 man-hours in a selfmade super heavy tank,size baneblade.2, and were not even halfway)


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 13:38:23


Post by: The Dreadnote


I think the grey cylinder in the first picture is from a cities of death kit.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 14:04:01


Post by: covenant84


The Dreadnote wrote:I think the grey cylinder in the first picture is from a cities of death kit.
This is correct!

if you look closley there's plenty of 40K details added, building aquilas/butresses just back from the bottom russ wheels, the bottom of the rear leg is a dozer mount from the IG acsessories, rear engine block is cities of death parts with the building uprights removed.

28-30" height is also my opinion for scale, it seems to fit in well with the FW scale models. Also means you get a titan that fit's onto a 40K board leaving room for the rest of the army and not ending up with a foot on it as many of the larger attempts leave you with. I'd recomned starting with legs and getting them sturdy on the base, then building the feet around these as detail. Also consider if it needs to come apart for transport.

I also worked off this model and an epic one when i built my warlord. It is on a very small budget (less than a leman russ!!!!). Take a look, links in my sig. I'm assuming you have more money than i did and would suggest using foam core for a strong structure. I used card which is holding up fine so far but do wish i'd made the effort to find the extra cash and time now. I think the secret to getting a good looking one is getting the proportions as accurate as you can, i've seen a couple of quite detailed attempts in the past which look a bit daft as the legs are a bit under sized.
Good look, will be subscribing to this!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 15:50:49


Post by: jabbakahut


Like you need to know what bits are what, you'll just plastic card everything into perfection anyway.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 19:59:10


Post by: siegemaster


I cannot wait to see you get this project underway. The Warlords I have built are also 28" tall. This is a very good height I think it fits well with most of the sources. I would be happy to provide you with some of the measurements I used to create my Warlords, although I am not ready to part with my complete plans at this time.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/16 21:31:23


Post by: mindfield


For 28" height, the full height of the turrets and the gun barrels on it's carapace is counted too, right?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/17 01:30:49


Post by: rowan341


You have my attention now and I don't think you're going to loose it any time. Good luck mate

@J-Roc77: Is it as cunning as a fox that was appointed professor of cunning at Cambridge university but ha since moved on to other things?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/17 21:57:59


Post by: Young_Logan


This is looking good, have you read titanicus by dan abnet? That gives a really good idea about how titans really work


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/19 06:59:47


Post by: FerrumIgnatus


I knew it.. Having buildt a Warhound, you are eager to test your skills on a Warlord, completely ignoring the Reaver class..

Well, Blackadder, I wish you the best of luck, and in bad times, go to the DakkaDakka/Warseer forums and get some nice uplifting words from us guys..


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/19 23:37:23


Post by: The_Blackadder


Somewhere between the Lucius Pattern Warhound and the Lucius Pattern Warlord lies the Lucius Pattern Reaver. Personally the Lucius Reaver doesn't do it for me; something about the sloping shoulders give it a wimpy round shouldered look. If I build a Reaver (We all should live so long.) it will have more robust looking shoulders.

Today I commenced building the Titan's feet (What is it with The Blackadder and feet; has he a foot fetish???) anyway the feet are infinitely easier than the Warhound's given there are virtually no moving parts that I can discern anyway. The material I am building with believe it or not is polystrene interior beaded paneling.

Similar to this:


I had some scrap left over from the laundry room paneling (Enough to build half a dozen Titans) and it welds together well with Testors styrene cement. I've got 4 disc pads and the cross pad toes cut out and they are drying as I type. The paneling is 1/4 inch thick so a double interlocking assembly will give the strength needed to support the superstructure and provide a basic structure for the detail. Instead of using foam core poster board I think I will use this material for the whole structure; it's strong light and easy to cut with a cheap table saw and Dremel scroll saw.

Images to follow after I finish gluing,

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 00:18:37


Post by: Mr. Cashwell


now the great thing about re-creating something is that you get to put your own twist on it so in all theory it has the potential to be better.....

I personally believe that its going to take a lot of geometry skills to get the scale and the main structure built correctly. But once you get the shape worked out then its on to details and I think that is going to be most of your actual time that you spend on this is detailing it. But if you nail it i expect this could be the talk of the net!!!!

I wish you the best of luck and will be following this


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 03:17:30


Post by: jabbakahut


Nice pull with the paneling. I've spent the last year re-modeling and have discover many things which can help or be used in the small scale endeavors! I'll have to look for this stuff next time I'm at the hardware store.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 08:16:51


Post by: sonofruss


Have you seen the CNC router that Stanley put out a couple of years ago it is not cheap but it would make duplicate shapes in a jiffy.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 08:32:29


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


amazing, just amazing... anyway i could commission you for one?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 09:14:56


Post by: CrashUSAR


This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 19:27:09


Post by: The_Blackadder


Not much to show for the first weekend's work. The dirty little secret is I built the toes too big and had to cut them down. That and installing windows in the side of my house ate up a lot of time. On the plus side these feet assemblies are very strong:

Don't let the moulded bead put you off I will skin the foot pad with thin styrene.

Thanks to all the posters, I hope I warrant such unbridled enthusiasm.

He'd better finish this one,

The Blackadder



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/20 21:59:15


Post by: Flinty


Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/21 06:54:40


Post by: jabbakahut


CrashUSAR wrote:This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0

Nice, that thing looks more detailed. I'm not very impressed with the small single piston to actuate the feet. That is something I would do on mine, add the pistons that would really be needed. Knowing how BA builds, he'll be trying to make the thing walk.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/21 11:18:09


Post by: Morgrim


Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background


I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/21 12:21:15


Post by: Ediin


Good luck, I will follow this thread.




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/26 01:08:15


Post by: Nurglitch


Morgrim wrote:
Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background


I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.

Void shields can't always stay up. Indeed, if I recall aright they're supposed to shut down rather than overload their storage capacitors; only once they've dumped the accumulated energy can they be brought back up. Until then having the kind of armour that wouldn't be out of place on a planetary defense installation helps keep things from exploding.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/26 03:56:25


Post by: Savnock


Nurglitch wrote:
Morgrim wrote:
Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background


I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.

Void shields can't always stay up. Indeed, if I recall aright they're supposed to shut down rather than overload their storage capacitors; only once they've dumped the accumulated energy can they be brought back up. Until then having the kind of armour that wouldn't be out of place on a planetary defense installation helps keep things from exploding.


That seems pretty realistic- especially in titan vs. titan combat, where those shields go down reeeeaally quickly. This sucker has to be able to take down whole packs of Warhounds, which will require staying upright while taking on several targets in turn.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/26 04:19:12


Post by: DarkHound


Just read Titanicus. It's a great introduction to Titan on Titan combat.
Savnock wrote:This sucker has to be able to take down whole packs of Warhounds, which will require staying upright while taking on several targets in turn.
You'd be surprised how easily packs of Warhounds take down the larger variants.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/28 21:54:13


Post by: CaptainRavenclaw


The_Blackadder wrote:Pic Caption - A lot of this model will be scrounging the appropriate bitz


Well Blackadder, if I have any of the bits that you need and I can spare them they shall be winging their way to you. I reckon that the community owes you something for the great tutorial that you gave us on how to scratch build a warhound!! The scary thing is how much time and effort it takes, but to get top quality results you need effort.

Keep up the great work, hope you have some ankles soon!!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/28 21:58:19


Post by: Orlanth


The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/29 00:28:47


Post by: Buttlerthepug


Orlanth wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.


Dave Smith's Warlord (the pictures from the OP) is strictly based off the ratios from the Epic Warlords. He was talking about how he made it at my local GW before an apoc game.
His was by far the closest to scale Warlord I have seen, and by far the best Warlord for that matter!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/29 01:26:09


Post by: The_Blackadder


s.j.mccartney wrote:Well Blackadder, if I have any of the bits that you need and I can spare them they shall be winging their way to you. I reckon that the community owes you something for the great tutorial that you gave us on how to scratch build a warhound!! The scary thing is how much time and effort it takes, but to get top quality results you need effort.


Time shouldn't be an issue, I'm just slow. As for effort, most of the mistakes are resolved and legwork is done so you shouldn't fall into the same pitfalls that confounded me. Anyone attempting to copy my work should have clear sailing albeit the tedious work on the feet and toes. That will require hunkering down.

Keep up the great work, hope you have some ankles soon!!


Funny you should mention that as I mounted the ankle disks last night. BTW thanks for the offer of the bitz; I may take you up on it.

Orlanth wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. However 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.


I think those titans that exceed a meter in height look ridiculous; hell I even have trouble justifying 28 inches but the d--ned thing just looks so great I can' resist attempting it. OP?

Buttlerthepug wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:


28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.


Dave Smith's Warlord (the pictures from the OP) is strictly based off the ratios from the Epic Warlords. He was talking about how he made it at my local GW before an apoc game.
His was by far the closest to scale Warlord I have seen, and by far the best Warlord for that matter!


Exactly why I chose to copy it, but I want the legs to be pose-able on mine.

I wish he'd post some more images of the construction although I suppose he doesn't want a lot of copies floating around.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/06/29 01:28:33


Post by: Samus_aran115


Vladsimpaler wrote:Good luck!

For the life of me I can't figure out why the Titan in the picture has camouflage though.


You'd think they paint them rainbow so people are like, wtf when they see them. But no, they want it to be disguised as a mountain. Whatever. I love seeing that vindicator piece on the back of it.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 17:11:25


Post by: The_Blackadder


Wow almost a month has go by since I started this thread; talk about dragging one's feet (groan).

At any rate I assembled the basic foot shape and they look okay to me so today I started on the lower legs. Mind you This is just a prototype dry run to see if the proportions are correct. If they are so much the better and they will become the basic structure for the styrene skin and appropriate gewgaws and bells and whistles. If not I may be able to salvage the work with layers of styrene which will serve to strengthen what is already a sturdy construct.


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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:amazing, just amazing... anyway i could commission you for one?


No but you can follow along in this step by step guide. I'm going to try to post each day's work as it happens and supply my best guess dimensions so any who wish can reproduce the results. I'm going slowly because I have a lot of other stuff to do this Summer.

Besides What would you be willing to pay? I might reconsider,

The avaricious Blackadder


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jabbakahut wrote:
CrashUSAR wrote:This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0

Nice, that thing looks more detailed. I'm not very impressed with the small single piston to actuate the feet. That is something I would do on mine, add the pistons that would really be needed. Knowing how BA builds, he'll be trying to make the thing walk.


I missed your post somehow. I hesitated to make the same objection as I do live in a glass house but I do see that one of the major faults of scratch built models is that the hydraulic cylinders are almost always on the small and thin side. That is where you have to give the FW engineer/artists credit; they do appreciate the scale necessary for the actuating components.

As for walking, nahh! even NASA has scraped the two legged ambulatory robot.You see; the dynamics of walking necessitate throwing your CG in front of your step so you have to throw your trailing foot forward to keep from . Try walking and not doing that and you'll see what I mean, so the engineering is not worth the dubious advantages......

but it will be pose-able you can count on that.

More photos coming,

EB

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 20:24:44


Post by: The_Blackadder


Man I've come a long way today and here are the pictures to prove it. As I suspected this will be an easy model to build as the joints are large and easy to assemble. I am going to use steel bolts and nuts for the axles on the joints. To re-pose the model will be as simple a losening the bolts posing and re-tightening the bolts. This will be necessary as the model will probably weigh quite a bit when finished. Anyway here are the legs tack glued together just for scale and Lucie standing by likewise.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 20:44:38


Post by: Samus_aran115


Woah, those are huge legs!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 20:53:22


Post by: Cosmic


'Ere we go again boyz!

I didn't comment on Lucie's blog (rather rude of me), but you did a b***** good job! I think that I was just enviously browsing along instead...

All the best with this one Blackadder, seriously. Don't worry though, we'll pester you all the way until it's done!

So far this thread has fulfilled my foot-fix needs... Can't wait to see more!

Cheers!

Cosmic.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 21:29:59


Post by: The_Blackadder


Samus_aran115 wrote:Woah, those are huge legs!


D'ye think too big. according to all the images I've seen the Warlord stands 2.5 times as high as the Warhound or 125 Feet tall. I've also seen imgaes where it is 3 and 4 times taller but thats just ridiculous.

EB


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Cosmic wrote: 'Ere we go again boyz!

I didn't comment on Lucie's blog (rather rude of me), but you did a b***** good job! I think that I was just enviously browsing along instead...

All the best with this one Blackadder, seriously. Don't worry though, we'll pester you all the way until it's done!

So far this thread has fulfilled my foot-fix needs... Can't wait to see more!

Cheers!

Cosmic.


Pester away I need the switch to keep me at it.

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/11 22:46:20


Post by: itsonlyme


Looks like your making a good start to your warlord titan, good luck with the project mate


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/12 04:23:05


Post by: jabbakahut


Your main structure is all going to be foam-core? And that will be strong enough, is there any internal bracing planned?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/12 07:41:02


Post by: sonofruss


So far he said he was using the plastic beaded board he used in the feet for the foundation to be covered by plasticard at a later time waiting with anticipation for the next update


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/12 10:00:24


Post by: The_Blackadder


The plastic beaded board is laminated 2 ply for strength and light weight. The material is used for decorative wainscot wall covering and come 1/4 inch thick which I doubled. I really think it will be strong enough if not I can always sandwich a piece of sheet metal between the boards.


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I see the confusion, the images I took don't show the center seam in the material so it does look like 1/2 inch foam core posterboard.

I probably will use 1/4 inch foam core poster board for the carapace and main hull to save weight after all that precedent has been set as the original employs that material and I've decided to go for the ball and socket gimbals for the hip articulation after all.

In for a penny, in for a pound,

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 21:34:32


Post by: The_Blackadder


Went things look like this I'm always expecting some to say, "Alright Blackadder who built the warhound for you really?"

Well anyway the basic structure to the main hull is complete. Now to build the carapace and the head.

It is worth noting that the hips and knees will be movable and it will twist at the waist. For the life of me I can't figure how this thing can walk. the toes barely clear the opposing leg greaves and each step must be so slow and ponderous that the whole thing would topple before the step could be completed.

I suppose that is why elephants have a leg on each corner. And don't tell me there were large bipedal dinosaurs; first of all they weren't 130 feet tall and second, they had a tail to counterbalance the step.

Blackadder

Anyway here's todays pictures:


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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 21:39:06


Post by: P4NC4K3


It's looking solid so far!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 21:40:42


Post by: The_Blackadder


The hull box will be the last part I will be making of the beaded sideboard paneling. All the rest of the structure will be 1/4 foam filled poster board to save weight especially those huge guns.

Once I get the carapace assembled I'll have a better idea where I am in error regarding the scale of the top hamper compared to the legs.

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 21:40:52


Post by: CommissarKhaine


Looks promising. Besides, we know you can do the basic structure, it's going to be the attention to detail that'll baffle us


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 22:06:58


Post by: Bullfrog


Massive project but it looks like you've made a splendid start, I shall watch with interest.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/17 22:10:04


Post by: Cosmic


Awesome work so far!

What do you reckon you'll call this one? Or is it too early to say? I was thinking something along the lines of "Imperius Stompius" or "Tiny Timmy Titanicus"... But perhaps that's just too gothic.

The_Blackadder wrote:For the life of me I can't figure how this thing can walk. the toes barely clear the opposing leg greaves and each step must be so slow and ponderous that the whole thing would topple before the step could be completed.

I suppose that is why elephants have a leg on each corner. And don't tell me there were large bipedal dinosaurs; first of all they weren't 130 feet tall and second, they had a tail to counterbalance the step.


Perhaps the Titan is somehow capeable of standing with the use of only one leg; when the other's moving forwards to take a step, the Titan becomes off-balance and then switches it's weight from the stationary one and onto the moving leg... Wait, isn't that pretty much what walking is?

You'd have thought that the Imperium's enemies would just plant loads of highly explosive bombs along a huge length of the battlefield, thus detonating them to creat huge craters from which the Titans couldn't walk on, and... Whoa, there I go again!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/19 04:27:42


Post by: jabbakahut


Those feet are looking monstrous! And please, bipedalism for huge robots is all but impossible. Like they have some hip functions that shift the weight with how slow they move? Good thing 40K isn't known for realism.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/19 04:36:29


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Looking at its form now, if you need to give up, just claim it's a Super-Heavy Sentinel.

Seriously though, don't stop. Ever.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/19 09:36:45


Post by: The_Blackadder


I know the feet are on the extra large side but until I get the whole thing cut out and tacked together I have no idea of the proportions. Right now I am making best guess estimates and trying to bring the whole thing into the 24 to 28 inch tall range so bear with me on the proportions. I would also like the thing to be able to stand in certain poses on one or the other foot as the toes will not be flexible so outsized feet are of a necessity. Besides with the carapace/hull in stalled the feet suddenly don't look all that large. Still working on the mount bracket system for the hull. pictures to follow.

EB


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/07/19 12:54:52


Post by: akira5665


Based on my experience- stunning work(as with Lucie).

I found when it came to Bad-boys of this size, table wobble must be taken into account.
Yep.
Table wobble.

If you ever field it on a table, where the gravity field of a Cheeto-munching Gamer gers too close...well. It happens.

When there are moving parts on the load bearing structure(the hips) these can (and did on ours anyway) wear l'loose'.

I like your progress so far- it will look amazing when your'e done I'm sure M'lord.

You probably have a cunning plan.....



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/08/16 12:26:33


Post by: The_Blackadder


Whew, were has the summer gone? I had hopes of rendering the basic structure and working on the detail this winter but no such luck plus there are serious errors in scale comparing the the body to the legs and waist. Just to prove the Blackadder is as fallible as they come here is my effort thus far ridiculously out of proportion. The legs are easily 2 to 4 inches too short and the model as it stands is only 19 inches tall. By adding 4 inches to the legs and topping the carapace with the void shield generator housings that should bring it to the goal height of 28 inches.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/08/16 13:53:58


Post by: the damned artificer


You're right about the legs, they could use a bit more height I'm looking forward to seeing this one shape up. I'm especially looking forward to seeing your head, as that is one of the most important parts of a titan IMO

Anyway, if it turns out half as well as Lucie it'll be extremely awesome.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/08/16 20:41:10


Post by: Qualude


It'd make a cute gargant.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/08/17 15:52:34


Post by: covenant84


great start, although the legs do seem a little under-proportioned. I made my legs first and then built the top to match, using an epic model for scale reference as best as possibly. Think I worked on the 40K being 6x the size. Can't quite remember. Probably says in my wip thread somewhere. Look forward to seeing how this turns out!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/08/17 16:39:22


Post by: mindfield


Good start so far, the leg section looks interesting. I'll be following this closely since you've done a great warhound already


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/02 20:52:52


Post by: madgrotbob


I have the same proportion problem with my warlord, but not quite to that extent.

otherwise it looks good and I know you are damn good at doing detailing


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/02 21:15:34


Post by: Nurglitch


Anyone else think that Rowan Atkinson should make a Blackadder 40k with Blackadder as the Princeps of a Warlord Titan?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/02 22:56:46


Post by: Commander Cain


Good luck on this mate! Do not give up, too many peoples lives depend on this being completed!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/08 14:22:23


Post by: mindfield


Hi there, did I just miss the updates? Anyway, Just anticipating more of this interesting project. Hopefully, you are still interested in going thru with it.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/09 13:14:41


Post by: covenant84


Nurglitch wrote:Anyone else think that Rowan Atkinson should make a Blackadder 40k with Blackadder as the Princeps of a Warlord Titan?


No. Great Idea but just noooooo. He would never make princeps, he'd only ever manage pilot - get's bossed about and never even gets to fire the big guns. After all that's the fun part. Baldrick could make a great malfunctioning servitor.

OT - any updates yet?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/12 03:58:40


Post by: mindfield


Black should at least make moderati


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/09/12 04:17:27


Post by: Nurglitch


It's a good point. That means Stephen Fry could be the Princeps in full Duke of Wellington mode.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/12/31 15:40:01


Post by: DB


Nurglitch wrote:Anyone else think that Rowan Atkinson should make a Blackadder 40k with Blackadder as the Princeps of a Warlord Titan?


if you read the 3 titan graphic novels whilst being not exactly sober its like he did just that!! - hahahaha

---

seriously tho - its looking brill so far Blackie, its ace how every one that gets made will be a little bit different but all still look fantastic - just like the real things - you think that in the far future they have production lines for these things?? nope - they are all hand crafted by the mechanicus!! (which may be why they keep breaking down in the novels - haha) we will have to have a virtual showdown - titan to titan - when yours is out of the factory matey - that would look ace photoshop'd!!

I say - a massive well done for everyone who has one in their collection.. or anything else thats as mad and difficult to get transported to a games night... true 40k spirit!!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2010/12/31 15:43:35


Post by: MagickalMemories


Threadomancer threadomances.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2011/05/06 18:00:52


Post by: HAZZER


Nice work, Could you spare some measurements or a routh guide for hight, because Im hoplefuly going to build one soon.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2011/05/07 08:39:44


Post by: The_Blackadder


HAZZER wrote:Nice work, Could you spare some measurements or a routh guide for hight, because Im hoplefuly going to build one soon.


Thanks for renewing interest in this thread. I am in the process of moving and put all modeling on hold for the past few months. Once I am established in my new digs I'll be able to devote a lot more time to this project and of course since it is not a copy of a production FW model
I will share what dimensions I have. As soon as I figure out what they are myself as right now the model looks down right ungainly.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2011/05/07 09:00:53


Post by: HAZZER


lol


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2011/05/09 20:44:15


Post by: jabbakahut


Interest is always here for you Blackadder


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2011/08/03 01:27:31


Post by: Techmarine.


Hey can you make more? cuz im making one XD!!!


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ok thank you


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/07 21:58:14


Post by: PROUD2beGINGER


The pictures I've seen in this thread and the courage you have taking this challenge has brought me to try to make my own titan. However, I am lacking in funds and crafting skills, so my titan will be in blender for animations and such. I wish you luck, and I also hope that I will be able to finish mine as well.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/20 01:19:48


Post by: The_Blackadder


Well finally I found some decent images from which to take measurements.

The first order of business is to edit this front projection into a workable set of templates. I did this with 'Photo Impact 10' a trusty program that I am use to. There may be better photo shops but I've used this one for years.

By my reckoning this projection will give me a titan about 24 inches tall which translates into a Warlord Titan about 115 feet tall or a little over 35 meters tall. Quite sufficient without being ridiculously tall.


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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/20 21:36:37


Post by: The_Blackadder


I just purchase 46 bucks worth of plasticard including two sheets 1.5 mm thick that I will use to make the legs and torso so I'm commited or at the very least should be.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/20 23:35:02


Post by: jabbakahut


Nice! Why are you doing this and the T-hawk at the same time? Not enough insanity in your life?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/21 00:38:52


Post by: The_Blackadder


The Thunderhawk is a project for my son but the Warlord is my obsession.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/21 00:58:51


Post by: Samus_aran115


Didn't think I'd see this thread pop up on my subscribed list again.... Looking good, from what I've skimmed. Good luck!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/21 01:24:46


Post by: spudkins


Wow I love people that are brave to take on these big builds.
Keep up the good work.
Peace


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/21 17:21:51


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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/21 22:26:58


Post by: The_Blackadder


FerrumIgnatus wrote:I knew it.. Having built a Warhound, you are eager to test your skills on a Warlord, completely ignoring the Reaver class..

Well, Blackadder, I wish you the best of luck, and in bad times, go to the DakkaDakka/Warseer forums and get some nice uplifting words from us guys..


I've just reread all the replies regarding this project and I thank all for the input but this one caught my eye. It's not that I ignored the Reaver but it has been so availably reproduced by 'mxwllmdr' that I feel I can add little to the subject.

IMHO the Reaver has an 'impression' weakness in its overall demeanor that I am hard-pressed to resolve i.e. the round shouldered look which connotes weakness. A purely physical bias on my part which I am hearty ashamed to confess but none the less until I reach a viable reconciliation of this prejudice I shall not be adding a Reaver to my list of Titans and if I do it will be a facsimile of 'mxwllmdr' outstanding effort.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412253.page


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/22 23:24:35


Post by: jabbakahut


Mxwllmdr is pretty amazing, for those who haven't seen it;
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-46192-22338_Scratch%20Build%20Reaver%20Titan.html

I don't think there is a P&M blog about it though. I wish that there was a Lucius Pattern Reaver, maybe that is what you should do. Fill in the Mars void left by GW!!!! I never liked the Reaver form epic days, it has an almost gaunt, or graceful look to it. They filled it out on the FW model, but I too wish it didn't haven't all these curves.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/23 09:53:44


Post by: TiB


jabbakahut wrote:I don't think there is a P&M blog about it though.


I believe this is his blog (featuring the Reaver)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412253.page


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/23 10:07:07


Post by: jabbakahut


Ha, I am subbed and read that one! Forgot that it started with a Reaver in it!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/23 16:46:27


Post by: HAZZER


He lives!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/28 04:30:48


Post by: jabbakahut


The_Blackadder wrote:
FerrumIgnatus wrote:I knew it.. Having built a Warhound, you are eager to test your skills on a Warlord, completely ignoring the Reaver class..


I ignored the Reaver but it has been so availably reproduced by 'mxwllmdr' that I feel I can add little to the subject.

IMHO the Reaver has an 'impression' weakness in its overall demeanor that I am hard-pressed to resolve i.e. the round shouldered look which connotes weakness. A purely physical bias on my part which I am hearty ashamed to confess but none the less until I reach a viable reconciliation of this prejudice I shall not be adding a Reaver to my list of Titans and if I do it will be a facsimile of 'mxwllmdr' outstanding effort.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/412253.page


I know you're not all into the fluff and stuff, but there is a Lucius pattern of the Reaver which avoids all of the rounded weaknesses you see. I think you should do the Reaver in the little seen Lucius class....
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Epic-40000/Epic_40,000_Titans/LUCIUS-PATTERN-REAVER-TITAN-1.html


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/28 22:13:06


Post by: The_Blackadder


I'm sorry but the Reaver Titan will alway remind me of images from my childhood; that of the Surinam toad that carries her eggs in pockets in her back the male pressing them into the pockets as soon as they are laid. That image has always haunted me with revulsion and every time I see that rocket pod on the Reaver it reminds me of that abomination of nature. Ugh!

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/28 23:16:49


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Ugggjhh thats not good dude. Thanks.for putting a nice.image in my head!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 02:01:46


Post by: The_Blackadder


How d'ya think I feel about it?

No Reaver Titans for me at least with rocket pods.

Compared to Mother Nature Nurgles are amateurs.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 02:35:42


Post by: Galorn


The_Blackadder wrote:How d'ya think I feel about it?

No Reaver Titans for me at least with rocket pods.

Compared to Mother Nature Nurgles are amateurs.


And whose design was that hmmmmm.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 09:17:59


Post by: jabbakahut


I will never see an apocalypse launcher the same.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 09:34:30


Post by: Avatrass




I hate it so much....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 09:57:47


Post by: The_Blackadder


Welcome to my nightmare.

Sometimes an eidetic memory is a curse but on the other hand it did spawn a generous supply of replies.

Back to the subject some side pieces. Now this is the way to scale a Warlord.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 10:44:06


Post by: Skrall


ok dude, i've been waiting for someone i reckon has a chance to build a good titan to share this with, here's some mathhammer someone did a few years back, i used it in my attempts before budget issues killed the project;

Height and Width:



1 = 3”
2 = 12“
3 = 20 1/2”
4 = 5”
5 = 5”
6 = 24”
7 = 4”
8 = 13 ½”
9 = 5”
10 = 5 ½”
11 = 3”
12 = 4”
13 = 1 “
14 = 1 ½”
15 = 3”
16 = 3”
17 = 3”
18 = 3”
19 = 4”
20 = 10 ½”
21 = 5 ½”
22 = 2 ½”
23 = 2 ½”
24 = 4”
25 = 6 ½”
26 = 6”
27 = 3”
28 = 3”
29 = 2 ½”
30 = 5”
31 = 1 ½”
32 = 4”
33 = 7 ½”
34 = 6”
35 = 9 ½”
36 = 5”

Depth:



1 = 2 ½”
2 = 6”
3 = 1 ½”
4 = 2”
5 = 2 ½”
6 = 5 ½”
7 = 2”
8 = 2”
9 = 3”
10 = 1 ½”
11 = 8”
12 = 2”
13 = 6”
14 = 7 ½”
15 = 2”
16 = 9”
17 = 7 ½”
18 = 5”
19 = ½”
20 = 2”
21 = 6 ½”
22 = 3"

these are the images of the two titans i've tried to put together, one in card, one in foam.





my designs always had shins there were slightly out of scale due to personal prefrence, but the mathhammer allows a pretty descent scale.

-skrall


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 11:10:52


Post by: Norn King


*Subscribes instantly*


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/02/29 17:45:27


Post by: HAZZER


Come on Black! Can you start the warord asap?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/03 20:17:33


Post by: The_Blackadder


I found this Warlord on a French forum which is nicely detailed and has a separate body from the weapons carapace which is an interesting interpretation.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/03 20:29:01


Post by: Capitansolstice


Oh yeah! I still think that 2 feet is a wee bit short though, the reaver is 16 inches so...


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/03 20:56:46


Post by: chaos0xomega


The_Blackadder wrote:I'm sorry but the Reaver Titan will alway remind me of images from my childhood; that of the Surinam toad that carries her eggs in pockets in her back the male pressing them into the pockets as soon as they are laid. That image has always haunted me with revulsion and every time I see that rocket pod on the Reaver it reminds me of that abomination of nature. Ugh!


Avatrass wrote:

I hate it so much....


This sums up my reaction rather well...



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/03 21:58:22


Post by: HAZZER


chaos0xomega wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I'm sorry but the Reaver Titan will alway remind me of images from my childhood; that of the Surinam toad that carries her eggs in pockets in her back the male pressing them into the pockets as soon as they are laid. That image has always haunted me with revulsion and every time I see that rocket pod on the Reaver it reminds me of that abomination of nature. Ugh!


Avatrass wrote:

I hate it so much....


This sums up my reaction rather well...



Third that! I know how you feel!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 02:49:10


Post by: The_Blackadder


Capitansolstice wrote:Oh yeah! I still think that 2 feet is a wee bit short though, the reaver is 16 inches so...


Two feet seems just about right as the Reaver is 5.5 inches taller than the Warhound i.e. a third again taller so the Warlord is approximately 8 inches taller than the Reaver likewise a third again taller. Still towering but not too overwhelmingly so on a battleboard. By that logic it would make an Emperor Titan 36 inches tall. so if a Warhound is fifty feet tall the Reaver is 75 to 80 feet tall, the Warlord 120 feet tall and the Emperor is 180 feet tall.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 03:03:21


Post by: Capitansolstice


Ok. Sounds great!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 03:50:55


Post by: tme0003


I agree with those measurements, seems like you've got the scale in order. Can't wait to see some more of the build.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 11:45:52


Post by: bibblles


So, have you started building yet? I'd be intrested to see how yours will stack up against mine...

The dimensions I've wound up using is 24 inches tall, 18 inches wide, 7inch diameter on the feet.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 13:30:36


Post by: The_Blackadder


Okay so the height is established at 24 inches but are the elevated turbo laser gun muzzles counted in that measurement or not? I'm inclined to think not as that lends too arbitrary a measurement. Also the stance is subject to question as when standing still with knee joints locked the height would differ from a walking measurement. Since I hope to make this beastie pose-able (Damn BA can't you ever do anything the easy way!) I'm going for 24 inches in the static configuration.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 13:36:49


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


I would say 24 inches standing, to the top of the "hull carapace", then add the shoulder weapon mounts to that.

I got very carried away making mine

Ended up being between 30" and 33" iirc. Never mind


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 14:15:40


Post by: The_Blackadder


Okay so here's the deal, I photo-shopped the image and made a static front view that prints out a model exactly 24 inches tall (On my printer using my editor's print graph I hasten to add). I'm satisfied that this is viable height for a Warlord towering almost 2.5 times the height of a Warhound.

Now that I have the overall height I'll remove the armour and draw in the structural detail.

BTW that's 24 inches to the lower margin of the image because we mustn't forget the foot pads.


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bibblles wrote:So, have you started building yet? I'd be intrested to see how yours will stack up against mine...

The dimensions I've wound up using is 24 inches tall, 18 inches wide, 7inch diameter on the feet.


I calculate the center disk of the foot to be about 3.625 inches in diameter.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/04 15:34:46


Post by: bibblles


First; as with everything in 40k you measure to the length of the hull, gun barrels do not count.

Second; I'm talking the foot pads on the bottom of the leg...

and you may find this useful.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/05 12:38:11


Post by: The_Blackadder


While looking for more detailed images of the Warlord Titan I came across this Origami Warhound on an Argentinian forum.

Fantastic and made of paper to boot:

http://www.modelosdepapel.com.ar/foro//index.php?showtopic=2249&st=75

They must have better paper in Argentina I guess.




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/05 15:41:56


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Holy crap


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/05 18:57:40


Post by: Maj.Winters


"Please sir, no smoking near the titan..."

Le womph!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/05 21:46:43


Post by: The_Blackadder


Maj.Winters wrote:"Please sir, no smoking near the titan..."

Le womph!


or in the U.S.

Wommff!

And the word of the day is, "onomatopoeia."


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 01:22:46


Post by: mxwllmdr


If the center disc of the foot is three inches, how big are the toes, then? I am considering building one of these, as well, but have no idea about dimensions.....




Edited because my phone typing skills suck.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 01:46:24


Post by: jabbakahut


Wow, link to paper Titan thread doesn't work though. I printed out your 24" reference, I really wish I could build this along with you, but I will just have to steal your notes as you go, so the more you provide, the better. And I always like reading your thought process as you build and experiment.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 10:06:43


Post by: The_Blackadder


The
http://www.modelosdepapel.com.ar/foro//index.php?showtopic=2249&st=75

link works fine for me. What browser are you using?

The disk is actually 3.625" tapering to 3.5". I calculate the thickness at 0.625". I have yet to draw the toes.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 10:19:23


Post by: jabbakahut


Funny you ask, I've been experimenting with browsers. I was getting sick of firefox acting all laggy on my Mac, so I've been trying out Safari. But I miss the add blocking of Firefox.


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And I don't know what it means, but "hijo de mil , este modelo esta espectacular amigo impresionante"


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 16:44:47


Post by: mxwllmdr


Ok, wow, just read throught this again. I was right this thread caught my eye several months ago but was inactive. Glad to see it active again.

Also, Very much progress, loving it, Black. Cannot wait to see the end product. If anyone can do this to the utmost level of detail it will be you...



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 18:54:53


Post by: monkeyh


It is my aim to one day build a Warlord - so I'll need some good instructions - subscribed!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 19:16:44


Post by: mxwllmdr


Me too, Monkey, let's take notes......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 19:39:16


Post by: tme0003


Turn this into a Tutorial WIP!!

That way we can all feed of your hard work that the carrion birds we are.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 22:07:14


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:Funny you ask, I've been experimenting with browsers. I was getting sick of firefox acting all laggy on my Mac, so I've been trying out Safari. But I miss the add blocking of Firefox.


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And I don't know what it means, but "hijo de mil , este modelo esta espectacular amigo impresionante"


Translation: "Son of a thousand (fathers? perhaps ), this model is impressive spectacular friend"

Speaking of laggy I installed "Bit Defender" anti-virus on my new PC which has done disturbing things to my browsing; but of course you don't need anti-virus because no one would waste any time writing a virus for a MAC.

I don't ever write viruses but if I did I would only write them for MAC users.

Browse carefully my friend.

TMIMITW


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tme0003 wrote:Turn this into a Tutorial WIP!!

That way we can all feed of your hard work that the carrion birds we are.


I thought this was a WIP?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/06 22:42:25


Post by: Capitansolstice


I use UBUNTU!!! with firefox, it has no viruses!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/07 10:11:14


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Haha ubuntu! I use chrome beta, with a metric crap ton of extensions.

Plus i have Kaspersky which i rate as the best antivirus.


Had any progress on the build Mr Blackadder, sir?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/07 11:26:27


Post by: The_Blackadder


I'm trying a different approach and actually planning my work before hand. That in mind I am not the neatest mechanical drawer but it is as true to scale as I need for gov'ment work.


These images should print out 1:1 on 8.5 X 11 paper



This is the size I can up with for a 28 inch Warlord titan. The entire foot will cover a Baneblade tank front tread to exhaust stacks and sponson to sponson which I believe is quite awesome enough considering a Baneblade is as large as my entire house i.e. 30 X 40 feet

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/07 12:27:12


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Very nice foot b


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/07 12:44:28


Post by: mxwllmdr


Your sense of scale and proportion are a talent that eludes me, Black....

I have to work so very hard to get things like that right and it seems to come so naturally to you....




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Also, I had not realized that you and Jabba were bumping my Reaver thread so highly. THank you so very much. Coming from you two I consider that very high praise, indeed.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/07 21:47:18


Post by: The_Blackadder


mxwllmdr wrote:Your sense of scale and proportion are a talent that eludes me, Black....

I have to work so very hard to get things like that right and it seems to come so naturally to you....




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Also, I had not realized that you and Jabba were bumping my Reaver thread so highly. Thank you so very much. Coming from you two I consider that very high praise, indeed.....


Please, please; my modesty............ in turn I am in awe of the speed in which you produce your projects and completely believable interiors as well.

So now that the mutual admiration is dispensed with (Hey I am the Blackadder) I have a request. It strikes me that you actually have a Mars Reaver Titan and I would sorely wish to see the bottom of the feet. the tread as it were.

Why you ask? Because I want to extrapolate a viable tread for a Warlord.

Seeing as how I am virtually copying another's work I need to maintain my self-respect by articulating this beastie. and need an image of the soles of the feet. I would ask Jabba but he is otherwise busy and I would not dream of interrupting such an important quest.



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Why are my messages not appearing?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 04:45:20


Post by: mxwllmdr


Thats what ibwas wondering. i had to search through all posts by you to find where this was posted. also it is apparently on page six which doesn't show up on the page number links......


But to your question: I do not own a forgeworld reaver. Have never even seen one in person. All my proportions and scale and details have been taken from photos that others have posted on their threads....

PM me with an email, though, because i do have some phots available to me of the bottom of a reaverz foot....


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I will say that the toes are very close to what you see on a warhound but the pad otself is fairly neat and unique....


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No meed for an email black. look at this....








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I think that is good for a warlord footpad. Don`t you?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 05:21:47


Post by: bigmek35




You all know this is photoshop right?


(yes yes it took THAT THING to bring me out of dakka hybernation)


NICE THREAD BTW DONT MEAN TO JACK IT


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 06:42:12


Post by: Engine of War


photoshop or not its disgusting. requires clensing via Banewolf chem cannon or Hellhound Inferno Cannon.

Anyways. Warlords are awesome and the only titan i've seen in person was a reaver titan (in the store's display case), i think it was a reaver titan anyways.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 07:06:45


Post by: jabbakahut


The_Blackadder wrote:.... I would ask Jabba but he is otherwise busy and I would not dream of interrupting such an important quest.

Lol, right.
I have bad news concerning the Reaver, as I've been cleaning up the extra resin they include, the actual mechanics of the robotic assemblies is... What is the word that means the opposite of functional? The Warhound has a beautiful design that you can actually see how this war machine works (in theory). The Reaver is a sad comparison. Your request for the foot photo got me thinking about how the toes attach and how you would approve at all. The hip assembly alone doesn't have enough room for movement to account for greater than a few degrees of travel.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 10:55:03


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:
I have bad news concerning the Reaver, as I've been cleaning up the extra resin they include, the actual mechanics of the robotic assemblies is... What is the word that means the opposite of functional? The Warhound has a beautiful design that you can actually see how this war machine works (in theory). The Reaver is a sad comparison. Your request for the foot photo got me thinking about how the toes attach and how you would approve at all. The hip assembly alone doesn't have enough room for movement to account for greater than a few degrees of travel.


Damn I wish bigmek didn't repeat the girl with the bobbles and wats again I'm still trying to expunge that image from my mind.

Warning! science content

I'm still trying to figure out how these damned things walk. Normally a biped puts itself forward off balance with it's toe pressure and then throws its trailing leg forward to keep from falling on its face to achieve ambulation. That is why it is so hard to make a biped robot. The subtleties of balance would have to be controlled by computers much as the new stealth aircraft need to fly but much more complex plus the micro controls required to dampen down the side to side rocking we take for granted. Watch an infant learning how to walk. They rock side to side with a stiff-legged gait and when they lose balance they sit down. A field of Titans walking would be a comical sight indeed and their opponents would run the risk of laughing themselves to death which may be the desired intent.




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mxwllmdr wrote:Thats what ibwas wondering. i had to search through all posts by you to find where this was posted. also it is apparently on page six which doesn't show up on the page number links......


But to your question: I do not own a forgeworld reaver. Have never even seen one in person. All my proportions and scale and details have been taken from photos that others have posted on their threads....

PM me with an email, though, because i do have some phots available to me of the bottom of a reaverz foot....


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I will say that the toes are very close to what you see on a warhound but the pad otself is fairly neat and unique....


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No meed for an email black. look at this....








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I think that is good for a warlord footpad. Don`t you?


Perfect, Thanks I figured FW would expend a lot of energy on never seen detail.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 11:16:00


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


The post disappearing was just page rollover.

If you click the last page again, and scroll to the bottom the lost post/s will be there.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 12:16:11


Post by: mxwllmdr


No Vit page 6 itself didn't show up until i posted a reply....

but both posts were on it. it was wierd....

Bipedal mechanical motion is possible but it would be funny as heck to see on that scale.

just look up that robot made by toyota. that thing was funny looking and its gait was like something out of a Steve Martin SNL skit..


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 12:37:11


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


Yeah but you would click 5, if the posts dont show.

Does it on Gits' blog all the time, something to do with replies all coming at the same time i think.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 15:49:56


Post by: mxwllmdr


I just thought it was very odd....

The Blackadder wrote:
Perfect, Thanks I figured FW would expend a lot of energy on never seen detail.


Of course they did... As Par Usual.

I think they do it to keep us scratchers on our toes.....



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/08 22:39:51


Post by: The_Blackadder


Sauced as I am to the gills on triple Martinis I am also assembling the toes of this beastie. hic! I can't wait to see how poorly this come out on the morrow. Who knows I might need that added disorientation to further this project.

BTW, never fear I haven't forgotten the Thunderhawk but I need a change of venue.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 00:25:38


Post by: mxwllmdr


I wouldn't be surprised to find they turn out quite well, Black......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 08:45:33


Post by: jabbakahut


In a contradiction to FW energy use, I don't understand why the servitors hardwired into the walls are just caste of each other. I would figure if I'm going to detail and paint the interior and leave the canopy removable, which is what one should do for an 800 model... They couldn't take the time to sculpt a variation instead of just copy/pasting?

It is a cool sculpt anyway.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 13:32:03


Post by: mxwllmdr


I agree totally with that little piece of ignorance....

I used two different Heroclix figures for mine on the Reaver.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 21:11:52


Post by: jabbakahut


mxwllmdr wrote:I agree totally with that little piece of ignorance....

I used two different Heroclix figures for mine on the Reaver.

Interesting, I don't see any photos in your gallery, did it work out? Which ones did you use?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 21:15:22


Post by: mxwllmdr


I haven't really put a whole lot of photos in the gallery. They are all in my WIP though, in the thread....

It worked out well, IMHO, but of course still needs paint.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 22:16:44


Post by: The_Blackadder


Here comes the weekend and I'll be playing to an empty room. I did manage to cut out most of the basic components of both feet and hope to have them glued together this weekend. I used 2.0 mm for the tread base and the rest is 1.0 mm styrene. This beastie is going to consume a lot of plastic but the fabrication will be a lot easier as all the material will be the same so no problem with glue compatibility which is a big plus.

I'll just add this on:

The octagons are the center of the foot pads and are 2.0 mm thick and about 5.0 x 4.5 inches the larger boxes to the right are the front and back toes and the smaller boxes at the extreme left are the side toes. Both sets of these toes will be movable with hinges. The truncated toe pieces to the far right may or mayn't be movable as I haven't planned that far as yet but the disc will tilt side to side and the top surface will house a semicircular gear shape which will allow the entire foot to tilt forward and aft. This should afford a full range of motion to the feet. The semicircle will have a countersunk screw for the axis and a pal nut on the other side to provide the tension to maintain the various poses.

Ambitious? yes; Possible? most probably, Crazy? almost certainly. Ah but if it works Priceless!

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 22:23:58


Post by: mxwllmdr


The room won't be empty, I will be there in the back corner taking copius notes....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 23:13:27


Post by: jabbakahut


Why is the foot octagon not square? Was that just a design choice? You get your styrene in bulk sheet from some place at a good price right? Where was that again?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 23:13:33


Post by: Viktor von Domm


i lurked...now i will be sticking my head out to see how you tackle this... the scientific aproach before was all good and well...but now you are finally cooking^^

good luck to you sir!


vik


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/09 23:47:41


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:Why is the foot octagon not square? Was that just a design choice? You get your styrene in bulk sheet from some place at a good price right? Where was that again?


Octagon because I hope to make the diagonally place toes articulated as well and since they will hinge down the toe pad will need a recess to withdraw into; 'sides octagons more closely resemble the Reaver foot pads.

I get my Styrene from a local shop that offers it at slightly above wholesale but the supply is dwindling. I may need to source an alternative ere long.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 03:07:06


Post by: jabbakahut


Silly BA, I meant why is the foot pad octagon in a 5x4.5 instead of 5x5? Of course it has to be an octagon! Guess I'm not always clear what I mean, guess the girlfriend is correct.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 08:56:09


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:Silly BA, I meant why is the foot pad octagon in a 5x4.5 instead of 5x5? Of course it has to be an octagon! Guess I'm not always clear what I mean, guess the girlfriend is correct.


Oh! well I guess the misinterpretation is mine; the pad is of course a square with the diagonal corners cut off but the corner cuts are ≈ to 0.5 cm short in length as the opposing diagonal toes are shorter in width than the side and front/back toes. (There I go mixing metric and imperial measures again.) Hell it makes sense to me!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 13:09:28


Post by: mxwllmdr


Makes sense to me, too, Black. But I am concerned about how this thing can be pose-able with all that weight. As I recall the leg joints on My old AT-AT (Dog walkers) from Star Wars were relatively light through their construction yet had some very stiff joints to hold the poses. Do you see this as a problem? And what is this "pal nut" of which you speak?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 13:30:34


Post by: The_Blackadder


mxwllmdr wrote:Makes sense to me, too, Black. But I am concerned about how this thing can be pose-able with all that weight. As I recall the leg joints on My old AT-AT (Dog walkers) from Star Wars were relatively light through their construction yet had some very stiff joints to hold the poses. Do you see this as a problem? And what is this "pal nut" of which you speak?


We'll have to see about the weight problem but I'm relatively sure that 5/16th countersunk screws for axles will support a lot more than ten pounds and I can't see this model weighing more than that. As a last resort I can always pin or glue the thing together.

A pal nut is a low profile nut usually used to lock a standard nut. Cheap ones are also called 'single thread nuts' and are stamped out of sheet metal but I mean to make my own (if I can't buy them) with two to three threads by grinding down a standard nut to 2.0 to 3.0 mm and secure it into the styrene in hex shaped recesses.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 14:30:29


Post by: The_Blackadder


I'd better post a progress report before I get to far along. In a flurry of productivity I managed to get a good start on the toes. Using Lucie for a scale comparison this thing is gonna be massive or I am way off on my 24 inch tall estimate.

Chrysagon (de la Cruex) is going to have to grow into those feet.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 15:10:46


Post by: mxwllmdr


I understand now....


I am so glad to see Lucie again.....

Looking good, as par usual....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 15:29:37


Post by: The_Blackadder


Yeah but are these feet too damned big? Compared to Arethusa?

Good God, I typed in 'Arethusa Baneblade' into goolge search and my stuff dominated the image results! Hope FW doesn't see that.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 20:55:37


Post by: monkeyh


Just looked at the sketch of the Warlord compared to the warhound in the Apocalypse rule book, the foot looks a bit big but you're not far off the mark. I'd stick with it, I've see photos of guys having built Warlords about 4' tall!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/10 21:38:54


Post by: The_Blackadder


This is one of the few föra that I started posting the building of a Warlord almost two years ago ( Has it been that long!!!) My initial attempt was woefully inept as I had very poor and sparse data with which to work. Right now I am pleased that I didn't compromise because the new information I have will produce a more authentic version of this gargantuan mechanical beast. If you view the first page there are images of my goal, the BOLS Dave Smith Warlord and the relative sizes of the Titans in question. As much as my senses tell me that the above pedal appendages are too large the data doesn't lie. Each foot is as large as a Baneblade tank for the height I calculate for a Warlord i.e. ≈125 feet or 38.11 meters. My son's battle boards are approximately 2' by 4' and any figure that is as tall as 24 inches 0.61 meters will completely dominate the board and anything larger is completely ridiculous.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 01:31:05


Post by: mxwllmdr


I trust your judgement on it, Black. You are WAY better at judging that sort of thing than I......

I think, IMO, that they are just right, however, if not you can always adjust the size and proportionality of the rest of the Warlord to compensate....

Even if you do have to adjust those things, I wouldn't think any such adjustment would be so major that it would affect the overall look, do you?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 07:51:01


Post by: jabbakahut


The_Blackadder wrote:A pal nut is a low profile nut usually used to lock a standard nut. Cheap ones are also called 'single thread nuts' and are stamped out of sheet metal but I mean to make my own (if I can't buy them) with two to three threads by grinding down a standard nut to 2.0 to 3.0 mm and secure it into the styrene in hex shaped recesses.

That sounds awesome.

The_Blackadder wrote:Yeah but are these feet too damned big? Compared to Arethusa?

Good God, I typed in 'Arethusa Baneblade' into goolge search and my stuff dominated the image results! Hope FW doesn't see that.

Ha, nice.


I agree that the foot as it looks in your set-up looks too big. I think it's an easy salvage as you should be able to just trim 3cm or so of the inside-pulling all the toes in a bit.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 13:27:37


Post by: mxwllmdr


How difficult would it be to mock up the lower leg for perspectives sake to get a better idea?

maybe just one leg....


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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 15:06:56


Post by: The_Blackadder


Must be the time change but reading some of the posts on the other fora is/are certainly a downer. "probably won't finish it." "Too much work." "Wait for FW to put one out."; yeah right like I've got a thousand bucks to drop on a hunk of resin. Besides why should I pay for the privilege of correcting someone else's mistakes.

Closer to home gad even Jabba thinks my feet are too big

Well I finished all the basic toes and suspended my printout above the feet and Damn me it looks right. The Greaves still have the side frames to be added and once the body is bulked up I think you would want a good solid base to stand on.

I was just flabbergasted at that image search and had to comment on it not to be searching for any accolades.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 15:25:35


Post by: mxwllmdr


Accolades where they are due, though, Black. And I think you are right about their size. A monstor this size would require a hefty feet anyway.....


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I hadn't bothered printing you front template but as i see it is scale so I follow along a bit with you on this. I hope you don't mind.....

Nothing like learning from a mentor in real time over many hundreds of miles.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 19:31:38


Post by: The_Blackadder


This will be enough for today. The toes on this beastie are a snap compared to the Warhound. I'm going to be hard pressed to add any unique features. I've gone from worrying that the feet are too big to now I'm concerned that they might not be big enough!

Anyway I started detailing the diagonal toes, note the rounded edges which add a nice touch. I ran out of 1 X 2MM strips so I can't finish the top toe detail. Have to make a shopping list.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/11 23:38:29


Post by: jabbakahut


I was just going off of your desire to mimic the Titan on page one. I'm not being negative or anything, but if you compare the size relative to the Baneblade your using verses the Leman Russ'.... Just seems a bit big. Yeah, looks fine when you put your paper mock-up as a stand in. I believe you will finish it. The only thing that holds people back in completing projects is money, time & interest. I would put money on you completing this.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/12 00:18:14


Post by: The_Blackadder


If you look to the far right of the aerial view and the front view there is one of those plastic Baneblades. It's a little closer to the foreground so the foot pad looks a tad smaller but actually as large as the Baneblade.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/12 00:24:50


Post by: jabbakahut


Of course, totally missed the Baneblade in that photo.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/13 20:45:12


Post by: The_Blackadder


I know I'm gonna reap a lot of flack for ignoring the T'hawk but I'm on a roll with this project and will ride it for all it's worth.

This new enthusiasm is refreshing as working on the T'hawk was becoming tedious but already I'm looking at it with fresh ideas

The toes of Chrysagon coming along nicely an if I have to make the body a few inches taller so be it.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/13 21:18:44


Post by: mxwllmdr


Dude, don't sweat it. If the build is good, and we all know it will be, then no one will complain.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/14 02:16:52


Post by: jabbakahut


I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE IGNORE THE T-HAWK! Seriously, who could complain? You're an artist, you can't be caged. Would it be a bit much to ask if you could keep a figure in the back ground to give scale reference when possible?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/14 03:46:48


Post by: mxwllmdr


That would be a huge help......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/17 18:50:43


Post by: The_Blackadder


I'v got to get a figure from my son I'll post with it tomorrow.

Meanwhile:

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/18 08:29:19


Post by: Silentexile


I've also been in the process of building a structurally sound Warlord Titan recently, and thought this schematic I completed recently might be helpful. You could replace the piston with ones that have ball joints at the end as well, the kind in the picture are just easier to manipulate in Google Sketchup. The disc is upside down in the picture, it sits in the bowl shaped recess in the middle of the foot and attaches to the pistons via the pegs.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/18 10:36:19


Post by: The_Blackadder


Thanks, That's a very interesting set of drawings and are very much in accord with that which I envision although where you have the diagonal pads movable I perceive them to be stabilizers** at the most very limited in movement.

The side and front/back pads replicate the mechanics of bipedal walking. The front pads being that which imparts the pressure to propel the foot and lower leg forward (much the same as our toe function and eliminating the comical gait of 'ASIMO' which because it has no functional toes walks like it has a full nappy/diaper.)

The side pads to allow for variations in terrain and steering, the rear pads to absorb the shock of the step and mimicking the front action when the machine is stepping backwards.

The three toe-like devices front and back would perform subtle movements and move independently on account of terrain variation. Having toes on the front and back of the feet are an innovative step (groan) and a big improvement on our evolved natural foot although had we evolved a foot of that sort shoes would be ludicrous in size and shape and driving an automobile would be a much more complex affair.

I also have given some thought to the disc above the toes and that having two axises for front and back and side to side tilting for steering and varied terrain stabilization performing the ankle function of our own foot which is similar in construction.

There will be a fore to aft axle below the disc not a gymbal as you have in Lucie which may be adequate for a relatively lighter vehicle but a weak attachment for a monstrous entity such as a warlord.

Above the disc the attachment of the lower leg will be to attached to a semicircular gear duplicating the upper ankle process and the stepping mechanics.

**These stabilizers are cut out on my model to allow the F/B-S/S walking pads a full hinge point where they attach to the main foot plate, a much stronger connection point in my estimation.

All this proves The Black Adder has devoted an inordinate amount of thought to this and is thoroughly around the bend and really needs to consider doing some serious shagging.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/18 13:28:34


Post by: The_Blackadder


BTW I came across this interesting structure whilst searching for a word for 'semicircle' in the vein of quadrant, sextent, octant etc



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/18 14:50:35


Post by: mxwllmdr


Black, I understand your thought process on the foot .

Silentexile, I can see some structural weakness in your design. The placement of the connection points on those pistons seems as if there would be very little leverage for them to exert any measurable force on the pad for a leg of the size we are talking about. The angle of attachment seems like it could stand to be much more sharply angled in order to provide better stability. Even if the piston is nothing more than a shock absorber, IMHO (which Black knows I consider to be very engineering -ly inadequate) than I think that a heavy duty Spring or Leaf Spring system would be more appropriate in that set up. A strong enough spring shock system could actually lessen the amount of power the gearing in the foot would require, I would think, and act as an auto level of sorts.....

Mine is a very uneducated opinion, Just looking at it from a common sense, backyard mechanic point of view.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/18 15:34:58


Post by: The_Blackadder


Plodding along as is my wont I successfully attached the step pyramid style ends of the toes this morning which for the life of me serve no earthly purpose other than aesthetic appeal. (If you like toes.... Jabba )

Mine differ from DS's in that they are slightly wider but the overall design is the same.

Accompanying the feet are some figures to convey scale donated by my son.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/19 07:03:27


Post by: jabbakahut


Titan toes are always a problem... I knew that the ankle structure in the sketch-up wouldn't pass your muster. I'll be curious to see how you hinge that foot together. Thanks for including the minis. I wish I had the energy to put that much design thought into a project.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/19 16:05:24


Post by: mxwllmdr


Are those toes attached yet? Or do you need still to put connecting mechanisms into them?

They just seem so much bigger than I already knew them to be sitting there with those minis....

Fantastic.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/19 21:18:01


Post by: monkeyh


Nice feet - those minis look pretty good too!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/19 22:06:44


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:Titan toes are always a problem... I knew that the ankle structure in the sketch-up wouldn't pass your muster. I'll be curious to see how you hinge that foot together. Thanks for including the minis. I wish I had the energy to put that much design thought into a project.


ditch the girlfriend.

mxwllmdr wrote:Are those toes attached yet? Or do you need still to put connecting mechanisms into them?

They just seem so much bigger than I already knew them to be sitting there with those minis....

Fantastic.....


Working on the disc actuator hydraulics right now; four stabilizers per disc, massive 1/2 inch cylinders with extremely short pistons. Powerful mechanisms commensurate with the towering mass of this construct.

Blackadder waxes poetically


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/19 23:50:48


Post by: Ovion


Personally, I'd rather have the girlfriend to play with than little plastic men (or big plastic men as it were).
But whatever floats your boat .

Looking forward to how this'll turn out though


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 00:19:24


Post by: bibblles


So have you started building yet?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 00:49:45


Post by: The_Blackadder


Ovion wrote:Personally, I'd rather have the girlfriend to play with than little plastic men (or big plastic men as it were).
But whatever floats your boat


Thats right, having a girl is like owning a boat the two happiest days are the the day you get her and the day you get shed of her.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 01:09:15


Post by: Kiryu Mk 3


this looks awesome.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 04:47:18


Post by: mxwllmdr


I have been married 20 years. I love her very deeply....






Many times a day I prefer the little plastic men.........


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Nothing untowards should be read into that.......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 05:06:30


Post by: Galorn


mxwllmdr wrote:I have been married 20 years. I love her very deeply....






Many times a day I prefer the little plastic men.........


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Nothing untowards should be read into that.......




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 11:07:24


Post by: The_Blackadder


Now that is disturbing!

A bit further along on the disc mount mechanism placed but not glued are the rough cylinder trunnion mount blocks which are in essence pairs of pillow block bearings. Not glued because I don't know how much distance I need for the cylinder travel and still allow the disc plate a full range of tilt. mebbe I should do a drawing.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 12:40:51


Post by: mxwllmdr


1/2 inch? Wow that is big....

Not really able to visualize it but it sounds like it will be secure and stable. Can't wait to see how you rig it up because I think it is amazing that you want such articulation on such a huge model. My main question would be how you intend to keep the cylinder travel tight enough to make them able to hold weight at odd or extreme angles?

Or do you not intend the actuators to be articulate?

Or am I overthinking it?


Found your blog on Relics, too. You present your projects very well, Black. But then again, your projects present themselves well on their own......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 20:40:51


Post by: The_Blackadder


Okay some one has tampered with a successful format and now it takes an act of god to access the next page. Three times I have experienced this glitch and I'm sure other Dakka denizens have as well. IF IT CAN'T BE REPAIRED AT LEAST RETURN TO THE OLDER FORMAT.

No clearly it is I who am overthinking the project as usual; part of the fun of scratchbuilding is pushing the envelope. Dave Smith's model is fantastic but it appears static. fixed as it were for eternity in one pose. Since I haven't the artistic ability to improve very much on what I consider perfection I must to salve my self respect and attempt to make the joints movable by drawing on my mechanical aptitude.

Clearly you can't visualize the mechanism because I haven't either. I know what I want to do and can visualize the mechanism but whether the material is up to the manufacture or the stress imposed by the of the mass of this model remains to be explored but as you may have perceived the finished model is secondary to the building.

My philosophy is, "getting there is ALL the fun."

And yes the actuators will be movable.

I am posting on at least a dozen forums England, France, Argentina, and Russia (I think) but never fear Dakka is my home and always my first post.

The narcissistic Blackadder


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/20 20:57:53


Post by: mxwllmdr


Woohoo! I thought my last post was lost. I have seen this about a dozen times now.....


where dobwe file our trouble ticket?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/21 01:17:11


Post by: Vitruvian XVII


If you have a problem post it in nuts and bolts. Pretty sure theres nothing they can do tho.







Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/21 02:48:58


Post by: Galorn


Hmm I think a swiveling base bracket on one end of the "ankle" pistons would do what you are looking for. combined with a "ball" socket in the center of the "ankle" to take up any weight.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/21 07:33:19


Post by: The_Blackadder


In all the images of the ankle area there is no hint of a ball joint besides which I don't think will bear the weight either in the model or a real vehicle of this purported size. I can make functioning ball joints as in Lucie's hips and ankles but these would be on an order of magnitude larger and therefore much too large to represent in the model unless I want the foot to be 3 inches thick. For my purposes using only a portion of a sphere i.e. the semicircular disc mounted perpendicular to the ankle disc which puts 50% of the rotation above the ankle and buries it in the shank. Surprisingly this seems to be the solution arrived at by the "Cosmic Engineer" himself for virtually all ambulatory animals (At Least on Earth) so it seems the way to go.

A interesting side note on ball joints: In living creatures which have the ability to renew the connecting tissue as it wears unlike machines that need periodic replacement of similar devices. Once the capacity for regeneration is diminished, arthritis and general deterioration of the joint occurs and Granny breaks a hip. Another reason why immortality isn't all it's cracked up to be. (Groan!)

The ball in the image above is not recessed sufficiently into the cup and acts more like a bearing that a joint and provides no attachment of the foot to the ankle so an attachment point is still necessary and it's poor engineering to use hydraulic actuators for attaching points as the stress causes the seals to leak and/or fail prematurely.

Thanks, I appreciate the input.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/21 19:47:52


Post by: jabbakahut


Just so I understand correctly, I get your neurosis in creating it as functional as possible. And I'm trying to remember on Lucie... You want to keep it poseable?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/21 21:01:52


Post by: The_Blackadder


Neuroses, sounds serious whatever; working on the cylinders. These will allow the disc to tilt side to side while secured to a longitudinal pivot axle yet to be fabricated.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 14:22:02


Post by: mxwllmdr


How much travel in the piston do you think you'll get with those?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 19:02:52


Post by: combat engineer


This looks like the great start to an awesome build. Consider me subscribed!





Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 20:12:15


Post by: The_Blackadder


I appreciate the responses and the subscriptions but just so you know 'The Blackadder' is very prone to mistakes. I spent half a day building the pistons receiving the cylinders on the discs and after forming them and starting to install them found that they were totally unnecessary!

Since they are totally hidden inside the ankle discs whats the point of even installing them? added work, more parts to fail, who needs that; so eliminated. But all is not lost, they may be useful in another area and if nothing else they keep me humble.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 20:30:00


Post by: mxwllmdr


Hey, we all learn from each others mistakes/errors. Thank you for making them so we don't have to.


It is gonna be fantastic, Black. I hope to start a Choas Warlord in about three months. I will rely heavily on your lead.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 23:31:02


Post by: jabbakahut


That ankle disk is 3" right?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/22 23:43:05


Post by: warpcrafter


Speaking as someone who once built a Warlord Titan (From mostly foam insulation chunks), structural support should trump the ability to have moving parts. I had no end of trouble reinforcing joints, since it seemed that every time I transported it, something was threatening to fall off. I eventually lost patience with the whole monstrosity after a couple of years and ended up making it the centerpiece of a spectacular fireworks display. Don't suffer my fate!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 00:29:57


Post by: The_Blackadder


jabbakahut wrote:That ankle disk is 3" right?


3.625"

warpcrafter wrote:Speaking as someone who once built a Warlord Titan (From mostly foam insulation chunks), structural support should trump the ability to have moving parts. I had no end of trouble reinforcing joints, since it seemed that every time I transported it, something was threatening to fall off. I eventually lost patience with the whole monstrosity after a couple of years and ended up making it the centerpiece of a spectacular fireworks display. Don't suffer my fate!


How much did it weigh?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 01:29:40


Post by: mxwllmdr


Warpcrafter, Was it completely foam board construction?

Black, the diagonal toes are they flush at the top with the disc or do they sit above as in the foot on the left?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 05:01:33


Post by: The_Blackadder


This is the only decent image I have of the built up foot. You will note that the disc is suspended well above the foot pad base and the bottom of the disc is level with the top of the diagonal toes sloping armour plate.

The disc on the DS model is apparently supported by a piece of vertical plasticard which really prevents it from tilting side to side as would be expected in a static model. Item #1 (Red circle)

Items #2 arrows point to what appear to be linear actuators that suggest the diagonal toes are capable of movement extending them in and out for balance purposes as mine may be as I need the stability for one legged posing.

Item #3 shows a buttress dowel DS used to stabilize the leg to foot connection thereby rendering the disc and foot unmovable.

Finally Item #4 points to the barely discernible leg quadrant which give a nod to the fact that the foot disc is capable of tilting fore and aft were it not for the items #'d 1 & 3.

Also note that the front/back and side toes actually extend well under the disc. I haven't worked that out yet but may use the F/B inner plate for the base of the fore/aft axle under the disc.

This is kind of fun

If you are a masochist.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 06:25:57


Post by: jabbakahut


So is the theory that the fore/aft and side toes are fixed to the foot base and are not moveable? Which essentially means that the foot is somewhat of an X with toes in between them?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 07:02:59


Post by: warpcrafter


The_Blackadder wrote:
jabbakahut wrote:That ankle disk is 3" right?


3.625"

warpcrafter wrote:Speaking as someone who once built a Warlord Titan (From mostly foam insulation chunks), structural support should trump the ability to have moving parts. I had no end of trouble reinforcing joints, since it seemed that every time I transported it, something was threatening to fall off. I eventually lost patience with the whole monstrosity after a couple of years and ended up making it the centerpiece of a spectacular fireworks display. Don't suffer my fate!


How much did it weigh?


It wasn't foamboard, it was the 4" thick pink foam insulation, and each foot was a single piece. The joints were cardboard tubing, as were the gun barrels. I don't know how much it weighed, but it was probably about five pounds.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/23 09:17:51


Post by: The_Blackadder


warpcrafter wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:How much did it weigh?


................ probably about five pounds.


THANKS

jabbakahut wrote:So is the theory that the fore/aft and side toes are fixed to the foot base and are not moveable? Which essentially means that the foot is somewhat of an X with toes in between them?


To obtain a proper walking gait requires the toes to move. I can't see a Titan moving comically with a flat foot stride as the robot ASIMO so not only should the toes move to follow terrain variations but they should push off on the initiation of the step and heelspring on the landing.( I think I wrote this before.)

Granted this is beyond what is necessary for my purposes as mine isn't animated but the hinges and cylinders should be represented otherwise the model will look as plain as a shoebox.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 08:32:59


Post by: The_Blackadder


It's extremely gratifying to envision something in your mind's eye and then to duplicate it in some medium. In this case extremely malleable styrene but I can see how real engineers get their rocks off. Granted the days of Isambard Kingdom Brunel and John Scott Russell are pretty much over where an engineer designs and executes an entire construct but I'm sure even today such gratification must still exist.

Case in point, this highly speculative tilting table mechanism for the foot attachment.

I believe I have come up with a viable solution to allow the foot to tilt side to side, be light and strong and also look complex enough to grace a 40K denizen.

Were I to build this for a real vehicle I would enclose the axle within the disc housing so the table doesn't shift side to side as much but then the mechanism would be totally hidden. so this way I have an excuse for the diagonal toes linear actuator system that give enhanced stability during the stepping process and decreases the upper body swaying which is the cause of so much seasickness in some Warhound crew members.

That's my story and I stick with it

When I see how much of this system will actually be visible I may fancy it up a bit using some of mxwllmdr's lightened girder and buttress techniques.

The beauty of this construct is it can be disassembled for maintenance, painting and repair.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 09:04:06


Post by: Rawson


The_Blackadder wrote:That's my story and I stick with it

Don't worry about your story with me, Black. You had me convinced ages ago!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 10:38:45


Post by: The_Blackadder


Here's a little item that should prove invaluable to the serious modeler. My son made me aware of this product and my favorite paint manufacturer (In spite of the fact that they ruined their spray cans by changing the nozzle!)

Spray on magnetic paint by Krylon:

http://www.krylon.com/products/magnetic_paint/

I'll have to get a can and test it out.

Rustoleum also makes magnetic paint that can be sprayed or brushed on and advertises that it is 3 times stronger (Than what they didn't say.) I don't care for Rustoleum because it takes too long to dry.

http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=127

but I understand the thicker the coats the stronger the attraction and ideal for rare earth magnets.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 11:32:50


Post by: jabbakahut


I've used the paint on (like house paint) magnetic paint. It works for holding up light kitchen style black magnets.

I will have to see if I have photos of it's use, it would hold 5x7 photos mounted on .125" foam core with black magnetic tape strips on the back.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 12:23:22


Post by: mxwllmdr


Genius, Black......


This is why we are all fascinated by your builds.......



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 12:29:41


Post by: Benamint


And exalted for when GW finally makes a skitarii model (or I do it myself) and I am forced to build a mechanicus army! Curse you Dan Abnett and your Titanicus!!! This model/behemoth is looking great! Can't wait to see more! So when are you starting an Imperator??? ROFL


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 12:54:00


Post by: Norn King


Your a genius.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/24 15:41:11


Post by: spudkins


your soo talented. Keep up the good work.
Peace


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 17:02:48


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


THIS.


I will be following like an eagle eyed eagle on copious quantities of caffinated caffine. . .


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 18:14:23


Post by: The_Blackadder


Spoken in the best Black Adder alteration there is ample hope for you anon anunearthlychilde.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 20:23:39


Post by: The_Blackadder


Begun work on the second axis of each foot; the quadrant (Yeah I know it's a semi-circle but there ain't no word half a circle in the vein of quadrant, sextant or octant. Why is that?)

Anyway these pieces will have to each support half the weight of the model so they will have to be build strong. The internal structure is 3/8th styrene box beam material the center upright filled with scrap 2mm sheet plasticard to hold the countersunk screw I will be using for the axle.


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Whoops, there it is.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 20:26:50


Post by: mxwllmdr


Yep, it's doing it again....


Maybe an outsiders post will kick it along....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 21:12:52


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


We all have our Baldrickisms. . . Some more than most ^_^


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 21:24:04


Post by: mxwllmdr


Coming along nicely, Black. Glad to see you are finding time for this and the Thunderhawk....




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/26 22:05:12


Post by: jabbakahut


Wow, yeah those things look solid!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/27 08:22:51


Post by: Haonn


Unbelievable work Blackadder, are you planning on adding that level of detail to the whole model? It's certainly working with your thunderhawk but this is going to be a lot bigger.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 11:53:14


Post by: The_Blackadder


Yes,

This mornings run adding a bit of detail and checking the relative sizes.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 14:42:13


Post by: mxwllmdr


Coming along nicely.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 15:05:35


Post by: Rawson


mxwllmdr wrote:Coming along nicely.

And the "Understatement of the Year" award goes to....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 15:36:40


Post by: mxwllmdr


Yeah, maybe, But I have seen his finished products.


I am not surprised at how good it is looking. It does seem that you are going faster with this than usual Black, though.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 20:29:03


Post by: The_Blackadder


That's because I am in competition with the guy who is building my Thunderhawk.............Whaaa?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 20:31:46


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


*cracks whip*


Work faster black damnit, thats an order!!!




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/28 23:48:10


Post by: mxwllmdr


There ain't no competition here, Black. You win....



I am just trying to do better than I think I can.....


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Where did you find those wonderful digital stills at anyway?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 08:03:46


Post by: The_Blackadder


mxwllmdr wrote:There ain't no competition here, Black. You win....


I wouldn't dream of competing with you, the guy building my Thunderhawk is me..........


mxwllmdr wrote:Where did you find those wonderful digital stills at anyway?


What digital stills?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 12:25:29


Post by: mxwllmdr


The_Blackadder wrote:
mxwllmdr wrote:There ain't no competition here, Black. You win....


I wouldn't dream of competing with you, the guy building my Thunderhawk is me..........


I knew that. It is precisely what I was referring to. You still win....

And in doing so you make me feel like I can't do better than what I am but still I try.....

The Black_Adder wrote:
mxwllmdr wrote:Where did you find those wonderful digital stills at anyway?


What digital stills?



Apologies, I mean the 3D renderings on page 1 of the Thunderhawk thread. I think you explained it but I haven't reread it all to refresh my memory....


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I did catch that you mentioned the lightened bulwarks like I used in the Reaver that you were considering for the feet. Honored something I did meets your approval and Glad to see I ain't flapping completely out in the wind here......


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 18:37:55


Post by: The_Blackadder


mxwllmdr wrote:And in doing so you make me feel like I can't do better than what I am but still I try.....


Not to turn this into a maudlin mutual admiration society but there are many things I admire about your builds first of which is the speed with which you work and second that you are not obsessive compulsive about minutia and third that you are more than likely to finish what you start.

mxwllmdr wrote:Apologies, I mean the 3D renderings on page 1 of the Thunderhawk thread. I think you explained it but I haven't reread it all to refresh my memory....


I found them googling thunderhawk images

They were posted on 'Deviantart'

Found them again. This artist is very good. There are only a few things he could improve The tail cones are too long on the T'hawk but they are on the FW model as well.

http://ld810103.deviantart.com/art/Thunderhawk-GunShip-Wip-2-178018263?q=boost%3Apopular%20thunderhawk&qo=183

and the head is too small on his Warhound.

http://ld810103.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2z4esh

But in all fascinating work. Here's his gallery:

http://ld810103.deviantart.com/gallery/


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 19:14:44


Post by: mxwllmdr


Wonderful Links, and thanks. I think we end up in that mutual admiration conversation too often. When will we colaborate on a project, I wonder?

You are right, that head is way too small...


I wish there were more views of the StormRaven. That I could get into building....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 19:21:03


Post by: Orinoco


wow, I'm impressed so much time is being spent on the parts. 9 pages of just feet. Really seems like the labour is going to be well worth it with this level of dedication.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 20:26:06


Post by: The_Blackadder


Really 9 pages of just feet? It appears the Blackadder has more of a problem than being slow.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 20:34:11


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Good Sir! There has been high talk of your work here and your name recently was pointed out to be chosen among a certain fellowship...

Would you be interested at all in joining said fellowship of likeminded Riveteers in any way? We all would feel honored to call you among our chosen few...

or to put it in another way... you up to some loony times with the league of extraorinary riveters?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 20:41:57


Post by: mxwllmdr


We need you, Black.....


We really need you.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 20:51:17


Post by: The_Blackadder


Viktor von Domm wrote:Good Sir! There has been high talk of your work here and your name recently was pointed out to be chosen among a certain fellowship...

Would you be interested at all in joining said fellowship of likeminded Riveteers in any way? We all would feel honored to call you among our chosen few...

or to put it in another way... you up to some loony times with the league of extraordinary riveters?


I dunno what does the job pay?

Seriously thanks for considering me.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 20:57:31


Post by: Viktor von Domm


well...you showed an imense love for a certain kind of detail too... so it was proposed of some to offer you the memebership...

if you want to join then you can show by simply "waving" the banner in your sig...(p.s. you get the banner by simply clicking on our banners and then using the code in your sig...just saying)


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 21:52:02


Post by: RSJake


The pay sucks, but the daily meeting at the pub is fun!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 21:52:43


Post by: Viktor von Domm


don´t forget the steaks and the pints... they go so well together with the banter^^


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 22:00:32


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


DAMNIT NOW i WANT STEAK!!!




Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 22:03:43


Post by: Viktor von Domm


can´t have it...didn´t say the magic word...

oh and best we do not ruin the_blackadder´s thread anymore^^


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/29 22:07:02


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


WOMAN GIVE ME STEAK BEFORE I BEAT YO' ASS!!!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/30 07:45:47


Post by: Rawson


AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:WOMAN GIVE ME STEAK BEFORE I BEAT YO' ASS!!!

I....uh..... I think that crossed the line from casual banter between posts into something much less fulfilling...

Viktor von Domm wrote:best we do not ruin the_blackadder´s thread anymore^^

Amen.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/03/30 08:50:00


Post by: Viktor von Domm


^that


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 10:04:58


Post by: The_Blackadder


Viktor von Domm wrote:can´t have it...didn´t say the magic word...

oh and best we do not ruin the_blackadder´s thread anymore^^


Yes I think Mxwllmdr's 'Electro T'hawk' thread is becoming quite chaotic. I would appreciate this thread remain "On topic." lest interested parties unsubscribe because of email clutter. I enjoy witty repartee as much as the next fellow but it sometimes gets out of hand.

Git off your Blackadder.

Back to business:

Before I close up the workings of the feet perhaps a demo of the hinges I came up with to allow the side toes to flex. At tis point they can flex up and down but once the box like hydraulic compartments at the base of the toes are installed upward movement will be restricted.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 17:06:24


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


WOW Black, they are looking awesome!!!



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 18:11:18


Post by: The_Blackadder


Thanks I' m glad someone posted because I have another image of this mornings work and I didn't want it appended to the above post.

You have to look careful but the hydraulic compartment housings that actuate the side toes are installed and wonder of wonders they fit under the discs.

So this must be the plan of a real Warlord!

Whoa!

[Thumb - P0003286.JPG]


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 18:30:51


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


Your attention to detail is astounding my good sir!

I honestly cannot wait for more of this.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 19:27:00


Post by: Viktor von Domm


flexible toes for a warhound titan... somehowi didn´t expect this... i am quite surprised...but in a very good way!!!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 19:45:08


Post by: The_Blackadder


I don't know I stated this before but I did some studies on the dynamics of walking and for a Titan to walk convincingly it would have to apply pressure with its front toes at the incept of the step just as we do, the side toes provide stability on uneven terrain and also assist in the initial stepping evolution by pushing down as the foot is raised. At the completion of the step the heel comes into play cushioning the landing of the foot so as not to jar the upper works too much. Naturally the front and back toes reverse duties when the titan steps backwards something that we cannot do and is why the dance step 'Moon walking' appears so strange to us.

BTW Lucie's toes were fully articulated with the exception of the rear spur which was a more of a shock absorber only. Warhounds can't walk backwards.

I've put Chrisagon on hold for today because the Sun is well over the yardarm but the front toe mechanism is well underway.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 19:49:35


Post by: Viktor von Domm


well... i would love to do some functioning models one day too... but for now i stick to nonposable ones... but seeing as yours is capable of that and you are right...that´s what these toes are for... stabalizing on uneven terrain! otherwise they would topple when moviing and if terrain would be not even... which is like...always...^^


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 20:18:58


Post by: Capitansolstice


that's impressive!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 20:28:36


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


Love the detailingand thought that goes into it Black

although, I always imagined a titan walking like this:






Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 20:44:46


Post by: The_Blackadder


Thanks for posting that I've see it before and is the primary reason I researched the mechanics of walking. You will note that without the flexible foot the biped walks like it has a load in it's pants. Now if you want your enemy to laugh itself to death (do Tyranids laugh?) Field a squad of titans with inflexible feet. Otherwise dignity demands a more natural gait.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 20:47:05


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


We tend not to have a sense of humour... and tbh... Carnifex look like they've just crapped their collective pants anyway...

Lol, I see your point, well as ever, keep up the good work


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 20:48:21


Post by: Viktor von Domm


do Tyranids laugh
i bet they snigger a lot!


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 21:34:50


Post by: Xypus


The_Blackadder wrote:I don't know I stated this before but I did some studies on the dynamics of walking ...


Hi, I've been following your t'hawk project for some time and this project from the start; I'm also wrestling with a functional Warlord design and your efforts are very helpful.

I was really curious how are you gonna tackle the articulation of the toes and seeing what you've devised I have some questions and comments:

- don't you think that the side toes should also have some upwards mobility? In case, for example, of the foot stepping into some depression in the ground? In such case they could easily get damaged or impair the stability of the whole construct, if the ground didn't yield.

- do you plan to mask somehow the hinge mechanism in the side toes? As it is now it's clearly visible with the toe bent down.

- you seem to have run out of room for the articulation of the diagonal stabilizing toes. I imagine they should have quite large range of movement not to restrict the front toe, which might be the case here.

- also I'm wondering if it's a good idea to place the hinge on the upper edge of the front toe - there's quite a gap from the underside when it's bent and I can't help but think what would happen with the real thing if something got stuck in there (like a tank turret, or a fragment of a ferrocrete wall). According to your theory of walking it would impair the Titan's ability to actually step forward.

- why didn't you choose to articulate the 'ankle' with a ball joint, as it is with Warhoun Titans? It seems to be an easiest and most intuitive design - and three enormous actuators on the Epic Titan model, one in the back an two on the sides, seem to corroborate such a construction.

(Forgive my wording or spelling errors, I'm not a native speaker).


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 23:23:48


Post by: The_Blackadder


Xypus wrote:
The_Blackadder wrote:I don't know I stated this before but I did some studies on the dynamics of walking ...


Hi, I've been following your t'hawk project for some time and this project from the start; I'm also wrestling with a functional Warlord design and your efforts are very helpful.

I was really curious how are you gonna tackle the articulation of the toes and seeing what you've devised I have some questions and comments:

- don't you think that the side toes should also have some upwards mobility? In case, for example, of the foot stepping into some depression in the ground? In such case they could easily get damaged or impair the stability of the whole construct, if the ground didn't yield.


The way I interpret the toes the diagonal toes are stationary or extend to increase stability when the opposing foot is in the air. The side toes do not need to flex upward.

do you plan to mask somehow the hinge mechanism in the side toes? As it is now it's clearly visible with the toe bent down.


It's not visible now with the hydraulic compartments installed the hinge is completely hidden.

you seem to have run out of room for the articulation of the diagonal stabilizing toes. I imagine they should have quite large range of movement not to restrict the front toe, which might be the case here.

also I'm wondering if it's a good idea to place the hinge on the upper edge of the front toe - there's quite a gap from the underside when it's bent and I can't help but think what would happen with the real thing if something got stuck in there (like a tank turret, or a fragment of a ferrocrete wall). According to your theory of walking it would impair the Titan's ability to actually step forward.


I'm only following the visual evidence on the rather primitive epic model I would suppose that on a real titan precautions would be taken to prevent jamming and FOD.

why didn't you choose to articulate the 'ankle' with a ball joint, as it is with Warhound Titans? It seems to be an easiest and most intuitive design - and three enormous actuators on the Epic Titan model, one in the back an two on the sides, seem to corroborate such a construction.


I explained that in an earlier post but I will repeat it here:

The model shows a disc shaped plate at the end of the shank that is not in the Warhound. I see no evidence of steering/tilting actuators as in the Warhound.

The Warlord needn't be as quick or nimble as a Warhound any more than a battleship needs to emulate a destroyer and therefore doesn't require the flexibility the ball socket affords. Instead it has the benefit of the much stronger ankle attachment with one axis above and one axis below the disc that incidentally is similar to the way the human foot works that also does not employ a ball/socket arrangement although nature does have ball and socket joints elsewhere in the body i.e. shoulder and hip.

You're not going to quibble with the Grand Designer are you?

Also you have to remember that the ball/socket in the Warhound is not the ankle. The actual ankle is the joint above the greaves. which cannot turn or swivel. What the ball/socket is corresponds to the so-called ball of our foot directly behind the toes. The Warhound actually walks/runs on tiptoes as we do when we run. It's an entirely different means of locomotion.

(Forgive my wording or spelling errors, I'm not a native speaker).


You could have fooled me.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/01 23:31:56


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


Black, you are definitely one to follow my good sir, I intend to do a lot of detailing when it comes to building my "Knight" mini-titan.

out of curiosity, would you suggest a ball or plate joint on a Knight?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 00:23:36


Post by: The_Blackadder


Judging by the images I found on google the ankle is completely hidden by the greaves. what do you intend to do differently?


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 00:49:24


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


The_Blackadder wrote:Judging by the images I found on google the ankle is completely hidden by the greaves. what do you intend to do differently?


Not sure really, I know I want all pistons/pneumatics for a really archaic look. As I want to keep true to the original, but bring it into line with the pre heresy mini's that FW are doing.



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 11:26:29


Post by: The_Blackadder


Well the weekend is over and in a flurry of productiveness I managed to attach one front toe With hinge as planned and it works and seems relatively strong

Now the diagonal stabilizers need a bit of work but nothing extraordinary and they do allow the foot to flex so there's no cause for concern. I can't mount the back toes yet as I have to find 3/8 dia light springs to stabilize the disc; much better than my piston cylinder design, a suggestion from Zathros, a Moderator on another forum and to whom I say thanks.



You can see by the attached DS image it follows the non-moveable model rather closely which is satisfactory to me.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 12:05:53


Post by: Norn King


Looking great! As i know nothing on the topic of scratch builds, consider this post mindless compliments. I do know enough to realize this thing is gonna be epic.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 12:56:59


Post by: Xypus


The_Blackadder wrote:

The way I interpret the toes the diagonal toes are stationary or extend to increase stability when the opposing foot is in the air.


I'm still not convinced. With the front toe flexed upward the points of the diagonals extend below its bottom surface, effectively separating it from the ground. Unless I'm missing something...

The side toes do not need to flex upward.


Why, actually? Again - if the Titan steps into a depression without the middle of the foot supported, the whole weight of it rests on the toes, be it actual ones or diagonals. Do you think they'd be sturdy enough to support it?

you seem to have run out of room for the articulation of the diagonal stabilizing toes. I imagine they should have quite large range of movement not to restrict the front toe, which might be the case here.

I'm only following the visual evidence on the rather primitive epic model I would suppose that on a real titan precautions would be taken to prevent jamming and FOD.


Epic model doesn't really show it this way or another in my opinion - but by comparison I think the articulation of the toes on the Warhound seems a bulletproof enough design; personally I'd go for that (I mean the axis of the hinge in the middle of the toe height instead of on top of it). What do you think of it?


The model shows a disc shaped plate at the end of the shank that is not in the Warhound. I see no evidence of steering/tilting actuators as in the Warhound.


OK, so what are those two giant actuators on the sides for? They're attached to the disc and up under the knee, and they're definitely actuators. What's their function, if the shin does not tilt sideways on the disc? Or maybe they're not actuators, now I'm not sure anymore

The Warlord needn't be as quick or nimble as a Warhound any more than a battleship needs to emulate a destroyer and therefore doesn't require the flexibility the ball socket affords. Instead it has the benefit of the much stronger ankle attachment with one axis above and one axis below the disc that incidentally is similar to the way the human foot works that also does not employ a ball/socket arrangement although nature does have ball and socket joints elsewhere in the body i.e. shoulder and hip.


OK, you got me here, that makes sense.

Also you have to remember that the ball/socket in the Warhound is not the ankle. The actual ankle is the joint above the greaves. which cannot turn or swivel. What the ball/socket is corresponds to the so-called ball of our foot directly behind the toes. The Warhound actually walks/runs on tiptoes as we do when we run. It's an entirely different means of locomotion.


Duly noted

For the record - I'm not trying to snipe at your work, far from it - I admire it very much - and I'm sorry if my comments sound unpleasant. I'm more like bouncing my ideas off you; I hate discovering something important halfway through my work and having to start over and I want to be 100% positive on my design.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 13:16:02


Post by: mxwllmdr


I echo the admiration. My question is concerning the underside of the disc. The four upright cylinders: I am assuming enter into the underside disc? Is this where you are talking about putting the light weight springs for stabilizing the disc?

Apologies, Black, if you talked about this before. I know it must be frustrating explaining yourself again and again, but I am mere mortal and sometimes your words elude me....


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This is how I see your design. Please let me know if I am tracking your thought process right...




A) Is how I see your disc springs and pivot point.

B) is how I see the ankle.


Together they give the foot the 360 degree rotation ability a human foot has....

C) is where I see the pivot point on your toes.

D) What is incompatible with the design to have the pivot point of the toes here instead? In the center of the back wall of the toe, where it gives the same amount of up versus down tilt. I am sure you thought of this, I just can't see why you chose the upper vantage point.


And please excuse me posting such a crude photo of your pristine design. I suck at paint.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 21:29:13


Post by: The_Blackadder


Well I'm giving it my best shot I have delved into anatomy, dynamics, engineering, and this is the best I have come up with given that I didn't design the d---ed thing I'm only trying to make it work and maintain the aesthetics of the design. Of course if you want to redesign the foot there are a variety of options but it won't look like a Warlord; at least the one I want to build.

The fun part of this project is to rationalize the design and try to make it work within the confines of the actual structure.

Mebbe DS had the right idea. A couple of ambiguous images of the construction and a series of kick ass finished product photos.

BTW finding these 7/16" light compression springs is harder than I thought. I might have to go with a (read 2) floppy disc.



Mxwllmdr I see no error in your drawings except for D The DS Warlord clearly shows the pivot points on front and side toes as Above the top surface which leads me to believe that the toes are supposed to operate independent of each other. Thats where I draw the line. I haven't the intellect or the ambition to delve further into this construction.

WYSIWYG.

The Black Adder has left the building! Case closed.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/02 21:32:06


Post by: mxwllmdr


WYSIWYG. That I understand. I figured you had a reason for it and I saw it that way on the DS model, too. Just asked. Thank you.....


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/03 09:15:19


Post by: The_Blackadder


Okay I worked a little on the front toe to address the problem of 'foreign object damage' (FOD) between the surfaces that Xypus pointed out.

This image is a rough approximation of what I propose and it also cures the block like aspect of the toe attaching point that I wasn't too pleased with.

[Thumb - shield fillet to prevent FOD.jpg]


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/03 14:18:31


Post by: The_Blackadder


I found some 1/2 inch springs 1 inch tall and set about modifying the disc stabilizing system to accept them. I have to admit it works rather well.

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Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/03 17:56:50


Post by: AnUnearthlyChilde


WOW black, when you said fully functioning, you really weren't kidding!!!

FANBLOODYTASTIC!!!



Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/03 21:43:36


Post by: Capitansolstice


Holy feth, black.
You are c-r-a-z-y.


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/04 01:00:40


Post by: jabbakahut


Xypus wrote:For the record - I'm not trying to snipe at your work, far from it - I admire it very much - and I'm sorry if my comments sound unpleasant. I'm more like bouncing my ideas off you; I hate discovering something important halfway through my work and having to start over and I want to be 100% positive on my design.

I didn't think you sounded bad, you asked questions that I was curious about.

I often have questions about stuff in the forums I watch, but people can get their panties all up in a wad if you sometimes ask questions they've already answered. I also don't want to appear stupid asking a question about something that doesn't make sense. I thank you for stepping up. I can't imagine Black has an issue. Well, he has issues, this just isn't one of them


Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan @ 2012/04/04 03:45:06


Post by: The_Blackadder


I reread my comments and rationals for why I built the feet/toes the way I did in answer to Xypus' questions and I don't see that I was at all bothered by the questions or how they were phrased in my replies. I relish explaining the whys and wherefores of what I do and am certainly receptive to another point of view. I'm sorry if it came across that way but one must realize I do occasionally have a warm buzz going for me in the early evening especially on the weekend which is directly proportional to my loquacity (can't believe I spelt that right!)

In reflection I may have seemed a bit terse in my response to Mxwllmdr what with "WYSIWYG" and "B'adder has left the building etc" but I've been aching to use that expression and that seemed a good place of it. I put a lot of thought into my answers and try to write as amusing as I can ofttimes feigning the irascible characteristics of the pseudo persona I have adopted as my sobriquet.

Because I am,

The Black Adder (I wish I could append the BA theme music right here.) TA Taaaa, ta ta ta ta ta taaaaa!