As I'm now being in the middle of nowhere with a lot of sand, rocks and heat, I thought I might as well try out a new Plog.
For those of you who've been following my random WIP thread, don't you worry, it should be brought back online in November or December!!!
Anyway, as I have great expectations for these next few months, I am setting up a new thread nicknamed Radio Omid ("Hope" in pashto), which should unravel the following stages :
the building of a Space Marine Scout-based task force, from the Achlysian Reavers chapter ;
the awakening of their power-armoured counterparts as a separate battlegroup ;
some lunatic weirdness related to the Changer of Ways ;
a 1-mini project, started more than 2 years ago, that I hope I'll be able to complete eventually.
As for now, we'll start with some funny, little things... As I wanted to change things for a little, I had bought myself a Gretchins box... Funny lil'gits dey ar'!!!!
Let me introduce...
Zabed, Grot Snipa!!!!
Reminds me of the song "All along the watchtower"... You don't know that one?
Glad you're back on Dakka and as safe as you can be where you are right now. I think the idea of a separate plog is kind of cool. I can't exactly explain why really, I just do. A convincing argument I'm sure.
In any case it doesn't matter where you post so long as you do.
Gitsplitta wrote:Love it yggs!!! Makes me smile! :-)
U shood nut smilez, fer I's da best shoota uvva'ere, you git! (Sorry, I'm usually bad at Ork language... I gave up in high school)
monkeytroll wrote:Nice Yggs
Glad you arrived safe and sound and have your modelling supplies sorted
Now just make sure you get everything back in one piece.
prototype_X wrote:including you
Will sure do!!!
Matt.Kingsley wrote:Yes! (One of) Te best mix(es)! Yggs+Orks!!
I'm not so sure, as I'm not used to Orks - I have ever painted one, and though I was pretty happy with myself, it didn't bring that much enthusiasm... Plus, I have no experience regarding chipping, weathering, and Orkyfying...
But that's quite the aim!!
Hyenajoe wrote:Great to have some news!
Zabed looks great, can't wait to see his gang!
BTW is the Achlysian Reavers chapter the chapter you've created for the Marine swap?
Stay safe and keep providing us cool pics and music!
Thx!! Actually I've had a project for Marine Armies ever since I joined the hobby, but couldn't find a colour scheme that I liked... I joined the Marine Swap partly because of that, so I would be compelled to get into it, and on their fluff!!!
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Posting this on both threads:
Glad you're back on Dakka and as safe as you can be where you are right now. I think the idea of a separate plog is kind of cool. I can't exactly explain why really, I just do. A convincing argument I'm sure.
In any case it doesn't matter where you post so long as you do.
Thx Skalk... Sometimes, irrational "feelings" & sensatsion are just what you need in life... I'll take it as a compliment then!
inmygravenimage wrote:Nutjob.
...
But, yay, more Yggy madness!
Don't cheer up too fast, I'm not sure I'll have that much more time to spend uh...
neil101 wrote:He is charming Yggs, nice touch with the radio song too , i enjoyed it.
Here's another one, a bit "punchier" today... just like the weather...
I had originally thought of displaying an amazing acapella medley of Lady Gaga's songs by a group of (male) students; though I don't really like Lady Gaga, their performance is worth more than a handful Throne Gelts!!! But the Dark Gods of Copyrights fell unto youtube, and they only display the video now, without sound... Too bad, it was a hell of a good job...
And... That's all for today.
What, you wanted some hobby-related news?
Ok, no pics today, but I've finished basing the mini-diorama... And I'm off to undercoat it!!! Sadly I couldn't bring any paintspray in the luggage (plane restrictions), so I'll have to move back to brush undercoating...
Yggs, that ork is great don't put your ork painting skill down
They aren't that much different than plaguebearers just less slimy! (and more green!)
Any way me (being an ork player) can say your weathering skills aren't bad at all from what I can see on your grot sniper if you need painting tips, I may be able to help
I tried one of the most-often-seen-lately technique, that is, once the paint is finished (here : Dheneb Stone, Devlan wash, Dheneb highlights), paint the chips in Charadon Granite, then underline them with a thin Bleached Bone line... Looks quite good to me, for a first trial... I think the shapes of the chips aren't that good, so if anyone has an advice to share, it'll be welcome!
Different technique, but I really like it! It's quite easy IMHO, the only risk is overdoing it (as I did on the large protruding part). It should look great on vehicles!
This green colour is one I got from Prince August paints, that I want to try for my future Plague Marines... It looks good too, I think, but the paint consistency is weird : despite shaking the pot for a long time, it still wasn't correctly mixed... I'm a bit skeptical...
And, from an environment perspective, here's what will be my paint station for the next months :
Quite small actually, and quite dark when the sun is set, but it could've been far worse!!!
In the end, I think I might look ok... There's one thing I did wrong, is paint the "front" of the watchtower armour sides in green. It will probably lack contrast once the Grot is in place. I had intended to paint the front in Dheneb Stone, and back in green, but I didn't think about it when I begun. So it will look mostly like green on green...
I might say this "iz fur da kammuflaj!"
No song today, unless you want to type into youtube : "Incubus - Love Hurts" by yourself.
Very interesting and helpful post Yggs. Grey_death is an expert in the use of that chipping technique. You might seek him out if you're looking to refine your skills.
I'll have to try the bolt gun metal/foam technique... looks very good.
Any work space is a good work space. Better than trying to paint while lying in your bunk!
That weathering looks great Yggs. I have to agree with Gits, this was quite helpful. I know this is all still WiP, but I was curious to know... Since, you have the base colors down on the grot and he's got orange and sniping from a nest, do you plan to add this red-neck effect?
http://flihi.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/23104.jpg
I think G_D's a bit busy at the moment... I'm sure if he steps by, he'll have some advice!
TBH I was quite surprised with how easy the boltgun "blistering" is... Try it out Git, you'll do wonders!
@ Moltar : I'm not sure which part was helpful, but still, I'm glad you feel that way!
As for the bandana it might be a good idea, I was thinking it would be a bit dull if I left it out plain orange...
Hey Moltar, I tried to copy your scheme for the bandana, it could have been better but your idea was a great one, thanks! It adds a somewhat "grizzled" look to the grot, that's nice!!
The mini is almost over (still have to resize & upload the pics), I should be able to post pics by the end of the day!
The weathering techniques are very god , yggs , the orange on the skull is exellent. i have been wantying to try out this style of chipping for a while too, i just need a decent metal plate to try it on.
Glad I stumbled in. The colours look good, don't worry about the green...the grot is obviously a Blood Axe and camouflaging his whereabouts.
The rust on the skull icon is the best bit imo, looks great. The Deneb stone areas look fine...I think its just a case that you're looking too hard.
Looking forward to seeing more stages to the Grot....Orange Bandanna
Peter
Thanks Peter!!
He's obviously some links with the Blood Axes "philosophy", as he's seeing the benefits of shooting guys from afar... Pretty strange lol!!!
Rust on the skull is pretty simple : some pure Macharius Orange, stippled on a light-Boltgun colour with a GW Dryrbrush bruch (the new ones). Quite simple uh?
I don't get the "I think its just a case that you're looking too hard." though... Could you tell me what you're talking about? The Dheneb stone parts?
Grot is painted, with his orange-camoed bandana... More pics later!
DarkStarSabre wrote:Yggs - love the weathering on the grot post! The chipped metal is perfect and very much like it should look.
And as folks have said - come back in one piece!
TheChronoTrigger wrote:Man Yggs, grot's looking fantastic. Looks like you've nailed the blister weathering technique
Thanks! These are mostly first-time trials, so it's either 1. simple or 2. beginner's luck!
Matt.Kingsley wrote:That looks great!
Thx Matt!
neil101 wrote:The weathering techniques are very god , yggs , the orange on the skull is exellent. i have been wantying to try out this style of chipping for a while too, i just need a decent metal plate to try it on.
Well, da Orkses armourz iz da best placez fer tryin', uh! Or da Kaos humies too!
Moltar wrote:Look forward to seeing it, Yggs!
A small update, as I have trouble transfering pics from camera to personal computer, then to removable disk, then to bottomlessly slow internet access...
Added some more weathering to the Watchtower (how do you say that in Orkish language? Wutsh-Towa?)...
I'm struggling a bit with the colours, as I, for instance, hadn't planned to paint some things in orange... So I have only one colour, which might not be enough for good highlights / shading. Last bits of weathering should be a heavy coat of "Dark Sand" FW pigments... First time as well, so I hope it'll look like good, old dust!!
You're gettin' really good at those paint chips Yggs, and I love the verdegris. I keep wanting to put it on my son's Necrons but there are just so many of the bloody things I can't stomach the thought. The water drop symbols on the watch tower turned out really well. Very striking when compared with the rest.
Great verdigris mate! Another way that's very quick is lightly drybrushing on the SH turq followed by bestial brown, then dwarf bronze and a final turq (@gits - it's a very very fast way of doing it, repainted a cryx army in a day that way).
Sorry, didn't mean to threadjack there Yggs, and I'm definitely going to try your way. Incidentally, you still need to pm me your address for =I= bits.
excellent watch tower! love it! might have to steal the idea when i start an ork army when i'm finished with my guardsmen. and one hell of a wicked job on the painting and scenery on that too!
Great paintjob Yggs! You did really well with the sponge painting and the weathering in general (why am I not surprised?)
As I already mentioned it in another thread, you really have a talent to give each of your conversions a specific mood through your paintjob, and its something I really envy you.
Here we are, back to Radio Omid, the radio that - tries to - bring hope to that barren land!!!
For once we'll start right off with the song of the day : Paparoach, "Reckless". http://youtu.be/HcxNBJTWKoo
It has been stuck in my head for hours, so let it come out loud!!!!
Let's then review the small comments so far. First are the ideas for naming the watchtower...
Flinty wrote:Hows about "cowardly-sneaky-git-perch"?
Very nice work.
prototype_X wrote:da spottin platfrom (spelt wrong on perpuz) or da veiwin place or DA BIGGERERER INATA
Matt.Kingsley wrote:Da Vewin' Plase or Da Wachin'Tawa
Thank you guys, I think the one I like best is Matt's last one (and I didn't get DA BIGGERERER INATA btw, prototype_x), I think it's the most "striking"...
Or something along the lines of "Da Wutch'Tawa"...
Gitsplitta wrote:You're gettin' really good at those paint chips Yggs, and I love the verdegris. I keep wanting to put it on my son's Necrons but there are just so many of the bloody things I can't stomach the thought. The water drop symbols on the watch tower turned out really well. Very striking when compared with the rest.
Thanks Gits! It's pretty quick actually, as only a few lines there and there manage to make it stand out! Alternatively, you could try graven's technique!
inmygravenimage wrote:Great verdigris mate! Another way that's very quick is lightly drybrushing on the SH turq followed by bestial brown, then dwarf bronze and a final turq (@gits - it's a very very fast way of doing it, repainted a cryx army in a day that way).
Sorry, didn't mean to threadjack there Yggs, and I'm definitely going to try your way. Incidentally, you still need to pm me your address for =I= bits.
Hey, no worries, that's what we're here for, sharing modelling & painting techniques!
DarkStarSabre wrote:The verdegris is simply fantastic. Subtle, no OTT (as GW's tends to be) and well executed.
Thanks, I was afraid it might be too much in the end... Welcome on board, btw!!!
ComradePanda wrote:excellent watch tower! love it! might have to steal the idea when i start an ork army when i'm finished with my guardsmen. and one hell of a wicked job on the painting and scenery on that too!
the sniper is also pretty awesome =D
It's pretty much all I could do with a few bits I had from a friend's Battlewagon kit leftovers... Feel free to steal the concept though!!
Hyenajoe wrote:Great paintjob Yggs! You did really well with the sponge painting and the weathering in general (why am I not surprised?)
As I already mentioned it in another thread, you really have a talent to give each of your conversions a specific mood through your paintjob, and its something I really envy you.
Uh... I didn't know I had such a talent, but thanks for the praise... Sponge / blister weathering felt really easy, honestly!!!
As for the progress, here are the latest pics : everything done except for the FW Dark Sand pigments, which I've spread in large quantities all over the base & Grot feet to give a dusty, wind-blown look...
What struck me when I painted him, is that the verdigris turquoise makes a great contrasting colour to the rust orange... That's definitely a combination I'll keep in mind for future uses!! I'll try and upload the last pics, with the dust pigments on, maybe tomorrow... In the mean time, if there's anything you think I could have done better, feel free to tell me! I tried to keep the timecount pretty low for this one, so there are things that still lack definition (the Grot skin, for instance), but as I have no varnish here, I will be able to touch it up if it's worth it...
For now, there are a few things I want to do, but don't know where to start : - a 8-strong CSM squad with MoK & bolters (I saw one unusual squad in the gallery one day, looked awesome! Btw, if anyone can find the pics, I'd be grateful!); - some Achlysian Reaver Scouts; - some Achlysian Reaver Power Armoured Marines; - a special project for my sister; - a Skaven slaves regiment...
I think he turned out great. You did the crosshairs like that because in spite of yourself, you needed something approximating OSL on the figure... and you were just showing off! :-)
Yggs, the grot looks great, man. I like the camo on his bandana. I think it turned out pretty sweet for how small of an area you had to begin with. I would vote your next project be the skaven slaves. I think they would give you a great oppurtunity to keep working on and apply the weathering and rust effects you're currently practicing. But whatever you choose, we'll be following it.
prime12357 wrote:Awesome grot!
I'd love to see your take on a Mok squad, if you wouldn't mind
prototype_X wrote:inator as in zappinator etc
Ok, got it!
DarkStarSabre wrote:Love the grot. The rust, verdegris and pose are all fantastic.
And cheers for the welcome as well.
Thanks, and de nada.
Gitsplitta wrote:CSM, skaven or sister's project.
I think he turned out great. You did the crosshairs like that because in spite of yourself, you needed something approximating OSL on the figure... and you were just showing off! :-)
Cool song BTW...
I think you nailed the OSL thing lol... I love that turquoise too much lol!!
As for the song, it's far from Paparoach's best ones, I just had it in my head... But it's a nice one sure!!
Moltar wrote:Yggs, the grot looks great, man. I like the camo on his bandana. I think it turned out pretty sweet for how small of an area you had to begin with. I would vote your next project be the skaven slaves. I think they would give you a great oppurtunity to keep working on and apply the weathering and rust effects you're currently practicing. But whatever you choose, we'll be following it.
Camo was your idea Moltar, I probably wouldn't have done it without you, thanks!! My biggest problem for now is I don't have any spray primer, and it's a terrible mess going through hand-undercoating... I might focus on building things until the spray arrives?
Anytime, Yggs! I don't blame you for not wanting to undercoat by hand, that's the worst. Especially, to do a whole squad or regiment. When are you expecting that spray? I would agree and just stick with building atm.
Oh wow, that's quite awhile. Undercoating one mini isn't too terrible, but for the most part I would just go with building. Of course, if you post just builds, we're all going to yell at you to paint them.
For sponge chipping, mega useful, I love it myself... but I'll go you one better, liquid mask sponge chipping. Next time around, use sponged liquid mask over a scorched brown basecoat and then paint up the model as normal sans any furthering chipping. At the end, simply rub the surface lightly, and voila! Instant chipping that looks identical in pattern to regular sponge chipping...
BUT
the chips are now in physically accurate relief, they have actual raised edges around them, and look a lot more refined and genuine. It is subtle, but once you see it you can't help but notice it every time. Consider it advanced sponge chipping.
You can then go over the model again with a much paler, dustier chip color and do regular sponge chipping sparingly over the liquid mask, this creates a very realistic patina over the surface.
My next suggestion would have to do with your weather streaking, I would suggest alternating your colors away from all browns, throw in some beiges, oranges and reds, and the result is a lot more intricate. Make sure the washes are thing though, you don't want to obscure the work underneath either!
Lastly, you mention this will be your first time with pigment powders, make sure you put them on AFTER your sealer coat if you want a dusty effect, otherwise the sealer will make them muddier in texture. You can then use white spirits or even better, MIG pigment fixing fluid, to lock them down. simply dip a brush in the fluid, and then touch it to the pigments lightly, the pigments will just suck down the fluid on their own, and when it dries (which happens pretty quick) they will not rub off easily.
Good to see you at work again, always a pleasure to see your stuff!
I did it here, you can see a lighter khaki beige and also an orangish brown done over the main charcoal chips. It is a bit messy here as I was experimenting, but it does create a more convincing, multi-tonal layering. One thing I note more and more as I study the masters is that they rarely ever shade up or down with linear colors... They always inject warm and cool elements, brightening a midtone with an avocado green instead of white, darkening with purple instead of black etc etc
Automatically Appended Next Post: Note: This is not a liquid mask chip, it is just regular sponge cihpping. I have liquid mask chipped my StormRaven, which I will be putting up pics of sooner or later. Waiting for the oil washes to dry... takes forever lol.
It's the sponge chipping over the liquid mask that I'm a bit fuzzy on... you're referring to the darker red on top of the dark grey? (like around the bigger round thing on the right?) That looks darker to me though... or am I misinterpreting?
What I meant was that after you remove the liquid mask and reveal your 'main' chips, you can go over and chip it again with a much subtler color, which depending where it sits could look like grime, or like shallower chips.
Likewise, you could add liquid mask chipping to every layer of paint you do, esp with AB, and then remove it all at once, that way, you will reveal a multitude of varied chip colors that again just add a sense that all the chips are different ages and from different kinds of wear and use -
you said... Looks quite good to me, for a first trial... I think the shapes of the chips aren't that good, so if anyone has an advice to share, it'll be welcome!
What I was trying to say was I think you're looking for errors and ways to improve a little too hard and the chips etc look fine to me.
Play it in the background while reading my post, that should be cooler!!
DarkStarSabre wrote:Are there any other sort of Dakka hordes?
I guess not
MajorTom11 wrote:Hey Yggsie,
Looking good, and cool concept!
For sponge chipping, mega useful, I love it myself... but I'll go you one better, liquid mask sponge chipping. Next time around, use sponged liquid mask over a scorched brown basecoat and then paint up the model as normal sans any furthering chipping. At the end, simply rub the surface lightly, and voila! Instant chipping that looks identical in pattern to regular sponge chipping...
BUT
the chips are now in physically accurate relief, they have actual raised edges around them, and look a lot more refined and genuine. It is subtle, but once you see it you can't help but notice it every time. Consider it advanced sponge chipping.
You can then go over the model again with a much paler, dustier chip color and do regular sponge chipping sparingly over the liquid mask, this creates a very realistic patina over the surface.
My next suggestion would have to do with your weather streaking, I would suggest alternating your colors away from all browns, throw in some beiges, oranges and reds, and the result is a lot more intricate. Make sure the washes are thing though, you don't want to obscure the work underneath either!
Lastly, you mention this will be your first time with pigment powders, make sure you put them on AFTER your sealer coat if you want a dusty effect, otherwise the sealer will make them muddier in texture. You can then use white spirits or even better, MIG pigment fixing fluid, to lock them down. simply dip a brush in the fluid, and then touch it to the pigments lightly, the pigments will just suck down the fluid on their own, and when it dries (which happens pretty quick) they will not rub off easily.
Good to see you at work again, always a pleasure to see your stuff!
Thanks for the advice, Tom! The only thing is... Where do you expect me to find "liquid mask" out in this barren land lol??
Also, thanks for the tips on the pigment, I was thinking of "spraying" the fixing spirit on the pigments... But if you say it works with a brush, I take it for granted!
MajorTom11 wrote:going over it again with a lighter color? I did it here, you can see a lighter khaki beige and also an orangish brown done over the main charcoal chips. It is a bit messy here as I was experimenting, but it does create a more convincing, multi-tonal layering. One thing I note more and more as I study the masters is that they rarely ever shade up or down with linear colors... They always inject warm and cool elements, brightening a midtone with an avocado green instead of white, darkening with purple instead of black etc etc
That "yellowish" hues to the red paint is masterful, looks really awesome... And I know I have to stop highlighting with white, it's just I never seem to think the right colour for it!
Gitsplitta wrote:Got it. Thanks MT.
Same here. Thanks MT.
PDH wrote:What I was trying to say was I think you're looking for errors and ways to improve a little too hard and the chips etc look fine to me. Peter
Ok, thanks, then!!! We usually try to get better, that's why I was asking!! Considering your talent, I'll take it as a huge praise!
Flinty wrote:
Yggdrasil wrote:
Or something along the lines of "Da Wutch'Tawa"...
So was there no way outta there? And quite how confused is the grot exactly?
Uh? Why do you want him to be confused? (There must be something funny I am missing here...)
prototype_X wrote:your work has inspired me! i have made one but not the walls on the tower its still very wipp though
Feel free to post your work if you want in here!!!
As for updates... The final pics of the pigmented Grot, and a WIP of a test Khornate CSM (model provided courtesy of Jin).
If it looks "dust", that's because of the pigments! Thanks to MajorTom11, I now have some more work to do (fixing the pigment with a fluid), but hey... It was a test piece for new techniques after all!!!
As for the test Khorne Marine, I'm not convinced it's that good... Have a look by yourself (still WIP) :
- I don't really like the armour trims (here in Khemri Brown), and would like to avoid the usual brass... - The red looks too orange for me (It's a Mechrite Red > Baal Wash > Blood Red > Baal Wash > Blood Red); does anyone have another recipe? I'm not used to painting red actually, so any advice would be welcome... - I'm not sure on using the same red + black colours on the bolter... Any hint / suggestion? - What I like is the contrast between the black & red armour plates, though I feel there could be more black... Or maybe I should go with browns instead?
Please take into consideration that it's going to be my first Khorne unit ever, so I'm pretty open-minded as to how it should look... I'm also tempted by "The Pyre" paint scheme, but for this I'll need some Blazing Orange, which I'll also get in 1 month....
The brown looks nice against the red, and a great change from the usual brass. I've had some success with mechrite red > black wash > stipple with blood red > watered down black wash > gryphonne wash > baal wash; though the order of the washes is really up to you.
Just discovered this thread, I really like the last pics of the grot, but it looks like they're in a different place / different lighting so it's hard to compare to the earlier ones. It looks really, really good, though
For the Khornate model, I'm not so sure about the green. I don't know what to suggest- a darker green would be in danger of looking Christmas-y, but the green on there right now is really light/pale looking... not a color I'd expect a blood-ravenous Khorne warrior to choose
RiTides wrote:Just discovered this thread, I really like the last pics of the grot, but it looks like they're in a different place / different lighting so it's hard to compare to the earlier ones. It looks really, really good, though
For the Khornate model, I'm not so sure about the green. I don't know what to suggest- a darker green would be in danger of looking Christmas-y, but the green on there right now is really light/pale looking... not a color I'd expect a blood-ravenous Khorne warrior to choose
Thanks RiTides, I'm not sure I've ever seen you in a P&M Blog, let alone mine, so I'm glad you stepped in!
The place was the same but the time of the day was different, so the lighting is a bit different indeed... Thanks still!
As for the Khornate model, if that light green surprises you, what will the upcoming pics do to you !? I thought that light green would contrast nicely with the red, but it might not be that Khorn-y, for sure... And as I said, I'm pretty open-minded for those, so I tried something that I thought would be nice...
Still, the result doesn't appeal much to me, so I didn't manage to get to finish it...
Instead, I went with another one (thank you Jin again, for that load of primed CSMs!!!), this time with a more ancient, weathered feel.
Here's the result in 1.5hrs, not so bad for my usually-sluggish painting...
Here are a few comments / questions :
- Verdigris is a bit sketchy, but I went fast, so I am aware of that;
- a few colours went overboard, same reason;
- mould lines & drilled guns : I got the minis as is from Jin, and didn't want to lose much time cleaning the mould lines, then brush-priming again, etc...
- The red is here : Black undercoat, Scab Red basecoat, highlighted with Blood Red and Sunburst Yellow. I think it looks much better that way, even though I didn't use any wash;
- Any suggestion on the eye colour? I painted the small details on the right-hand bolter with the same pale green from the previous mini, and it looks quite ok, so I was thinking something like that... I'm afraid red won't do any good...
I'm listening to suggestions that might help improve that scheme, but for now, I think it looks much better than the first one... And, with appropriate chainaxes and Berzerker bits, I'm sure they'll look like proper Khorne followers!
As it's Sunday toady, I'm making an exception and offering you two songs to listen to :
Hmm. To be honest? A bit too much rust and weathering there. You've gone from one extreme (clean) to the other (weathered to the point of too much). The verdegris is spot on, especially if you choose to go with a bronzed scheme but the rust? A bit too much.
I'm sorry Yggs but that one doesn't do it for me. The bolter red is lovely though.
I think the rust could just be the wrong technique though - it looks like messy brown paint rather than rust. Maybe I'm just a bit too traditional but I think Khornate killers need to be brass and red.
I agree with both of the above posters. The verdigris and metallics look great! The orange just looks messy. Yellow or green for the eyes should work. Bolters look fine.
The reason the eyes don't work is that they're basically the same color as the verdigris. Given that, perhaps yellow would work better than green, unless you start with a Scorpion Green... which is kind of yellowish anyway.
Love the 2nd ed plastic CSMs! The first image you posted said "Word Bearer" to me much more so than "World Eater". The second one seems Chaos Undivided because (to me) there's nothing specific that ties it to the cult of the Blood God.
Glad you're making the most of your all-expenses paid stay in the land of difficult and dangerous terrain. Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff.
DarkStarSabre wrote:Hmm. To be honest? A bit too much rust and weathering there. You've gone from one extreme (clean) to the other (weathered to the point of too much). The verdegris is spot on, especially if you choose to go with a bronzed scheme but the rust? A bit too much.
PDH wrote:I'm sorry Yggs but that one doesn't do it for me. The bolter red is lovely though.
I think the rust could just be the wrong technique though - it looks like messy brown paint rather than rust. Maybe I'm just a bit too traditional but I think Khornate killers need to be brass and red.
Gitsplitta wrote:Hey Yggs, great music selection!
I agree with both of the above posters. The verdigris and metallics look great! The orange just looks messy. Yellow or green for the eyes should work. Bolters look fine.
The reason the eyes don't work is that they're basically the same color as the verdigris. Given that, perhaps yellow would work better than green, unless you start with a Scorpion Green... which is kind of yellowish anyway.
@ Git : thanks for the comment on the music, at least you're making me feel I'm not wasting my time with that...
@ Git, PDH & Sabre : Ok, I might have been over-doing it, I agree... I wanted to try something quick and my mind was stuck with the nice contrast between orange & hawk turquoise, so I came up with that...
inmygravenimage wrote:#2 turned off computer whilst typing lengthy reply; in summary, very pretty, but decay = in my brain.
Lol, so now we have graven's #1/#2(/#3?) in addition to Git's T1/T2?
Too bad for the reply, but thanks for the comment : rust might feel too Nurgle-y indeed...
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Love the 2nd ed plastic CSMs! The first image you posted said "Word Bearer" to me much more so than "World Eater". The second one seems Chaos Undivided because (to me) there's nothing specific that ties it to the cult of the Blood God.
Glad you're making the most of your all-expenses paid stay in the land of difficult and dangerous terrain. Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff.
Well, if I was truly making the most of it, I'd have less time in my bunker-ed office (=less time on Dakka) and more time outside, but, ya know... The reference to difficult & dangereous terrain made me laugh, that was a good one!
The "Word Bearer" & "Generic" things is something that struck me too, so I can understand... I'm hoping the use of Berzerker parts will mark them as Khornate fighters!
As for the red, I'm glad you all seem to like it better... I might try a third guy with that red on it...
As for updates, I've begun work on a Scout yesterday, I might be able to post pics tomorrow or the day after... Something quite unusual I hope!
I must say I disagree with PDH and Gitsplitta about your rust. The technique is good, it looks like real rust to me, the point is that there shouldn't be that much rust .
The bolters are great.
Hyenajoe wrote:I must say I disagree with PDH and Gitsplitta about your rust. The technique is good, it looks like real rust to me, the point is that there shouldn't be that much rust .
The bolters are great.
When will you try the berzerker bitz?
DarkStarSabre wrote:Hyenajoe got the point there - there's just too much rust. It's not bad rust but....it's just....all there.
The red is spot on in that though - perhaps a test with that red armour, a rusty metal weapon and bronze trim with verdegris?
DarkStarSabre, you might have found the solution!!! I'll have to try that, which answers Hyena's question too : one last pre-assembled, undercoated test mini, and then the real Khorne mess should begin!!!
Sageheart wrote:I have to agree with everyone else, rust is well done but it is wayy too much.
The red on the gun is beautiful
It seems we've reached an understanding, as of now...
As for the SM Scout, isn't anyone interested in it?
Gitsplitta wrote:What scout?? Hard to comment on something with no pics.
What he said. Did I miss something?
Glad that comment about difficult / dangerous terrain cracked you up. Credit to my buddy Dwarf who got back from there in December. He's writing a campaign scenario based on his experiences there. I keep trying to get him to join Dakka. He's an IG player and his painting is way better than he gives himself credit for.
Anyway, back to topic... looking forward to seeing that Scout
I think Yggsie has drifted into the category of "heat zapped desert fanatic"... he's now imagining he's painted and posted minis and whining about it when we don't comment on them.
I like the little critter, good looking mini, I'm looking forward to converting some of these for my fantasy army. The chaos marine not as much, too much corrosion in my opinion. The music selections I'm getting, add some Sevendust to your rotation. And that looks like a damn prison cell you are working in, you sure you weren't thrown in jail for bad behaviour?
@ All: About that Scout... I had just said a word about how I hoped I would pull out something unusual, but no one seemed to be curious about it... So that's why I asked!
Now I sure got your attention, but I'm afraid I probably won't meet your expectations lol...
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Glad that comment about difficult / dangerous terrain cracked you up. Credit to my buddy Dwarf who got back from there in December. He's writing a campaign scenario based on his experiences there. I keep trying to get him to join Dakka. He's an IG player and his painting is way better than he gives himself credit for.
Anyway, back to topic... looking forward to seeing that Scout
Sure, have him join in here!!! I'm sure the campaign will be full of nastiness to rain upon the armies involved...
Also, that last sentence was the kind I was expecting lol...
whalemusic360 wrote:The scout looks great! I really like the way the gun came out.*
*This is likely a response I will have when there are actual pics
I hope that's I will get, WM!!!
Gitsplitta wrote:I think Yggsie has drifted into the category of "heat zapped desert fanatic"... he's now imagining he's painted and posted minis and whining about it when we don't comment on them.
Hey Yggs.... DRINK SOME WATER!
Maybe the 5-6 litres I drink every day aren't enough lol... It's the same kind of sensation as when I was in Chad : always thirsty, and always in need of going to the washroom... Not that comfortable...
Hopefully, there are a few beers available to change tastes!
HF Izanagi wrote:Hey Yggs, awesome to see you back in the game, even when you're out and about in the desert!
I quite like the grot sniper, very cool- I like the look of his little post, excellent weathering, IMO.
Gotta go with the majority here on the Chaos guy- too much rust, but nicely done and a great example.
And finally... yea... umm... what scout are you talking about...? Is this one of those hidden DCM features, like a souped-up "Spoiler" bar?
Can't wait to see the scout. No, seriously. There's nothing there, man. Interest is here and waiting.
Thanks for the Grot Sniper, it was merely an experiment who turned out better than expected! And a lil' funny thing too!
I think I'll try DarkStarSabre's suggestion about the colour scheme for the next Marine : Red Armour, bronze + verdigris trim, rusted details & weapons... That should do the job!
PsychosisPC wrote:I like the little critter, good looking mini, I'm looking forward to converting some of these for my fantasy army. The chaos marine not as much, too much corrosion in my opinion. The music selections I'm getting, add some Sevendust to your rotation. And that looks like a damn prison cell you are working in, you sure you weren't thrown in jail for bad behaviour?
I've been hoarding gnoblar, goblin, gretchin heads for months now, I'm just sad I didn't bring them along, it would add a touch of variety to them gits! And the model are quite appropriate for both fantasy & 40k, with a little work...
I don't know Sevendust, and the internet connection here is too slow for me to even think of trying... But I'll try and keep them in mind when I get home!
My room is tiny indeed, but I don't spend much time in it anyway, so it's not that important... Plus, it's a private room, which is much better than having to share a 6-men tent or a 2-men room, however more "modern" they are!!
After much wait (well, one day at most), here come the first pics of the first Achlysian Reavers Scout!
I find the "usual" SM Scout a bit boring, so I wanted to add more dynamism to them... And adding a big scope can never go wrong!!!
The base is still WIP of course, and I still have to sculpt his forefinger resting along the bolter... Then he can be painted in the Achlysian Reaver colours!!!!
What do you think about the pose? Does it sound right?
As for today's song : a fresh, french pop song by Superbus : Tchi Cum Bah
I like the pose, but especially on a "moving" model, I think the scope is just to big. Seems like one of those annoying over sized ones you see on DMRs sometimes.
LOL... Great scout man. The scope is a bit OTT, maybe file the nub on top to thin it down- but I totally know what you're going for. I've seen that look on those hunting rifles, but main difference is the rifle has that length and extra barrel, even WM's example has a small barrel leading the front.
Pose is excellent. I like the fact that you have interaction between base and model, and instead of a standard base where everything clings to the base, it's up and "floating" (if that makes sense...? ) One thing though... question, actually, is the thing he's stepping on a mine? It looks like his weight is breaking into whatever his foot is shifting over.
Anyways, good stuff- are you going to continue with the grot stuff? Or was that just a primer? And looking forward to the scout getting painted- I like your scheme on your SMs.
i likie using the stormraven scouts for interesting poses. I've done that with those models myself. That particular leg layout is odd since it does look like a very painful position, but the model looks pretty good, love the base.
Geez Yggs, can't catch a break these last few days.
Cool to see the Scout. The scope is big for sure, but I've seen ridiculously huge scopes for military applications IRL and since everything seems to be even larger in the 41st millennium I think it'll be fine. Once it has some paint everything will come together and people will "ooooh" and "ahhhh" over the awesome OSL you'll do on it.
Actually I'm not sure, all I know is I got it from a bitz site... It might come for an Ork kit, but I am not sure of that...
inmygravenimage wrote:Scope looks like a standard scope, but overlarge, yeah. Maybe cut one from a scout bp? Great pose btw, is that the gunner from the LS Storm?
+1 to you, he's the one...
Gitsplitta wrote:I'm assuming he's an embedded reporter for French Television... it's just an unfortunate circumstance that his camera body resembles a heavy bolter. (that's not a bad idea actually) And yes, that is a MASSIVE scope. Great pose though.
French reporters tend to get taken hostage pretty quick, so I hope it's not what awaits him!!
whalemusic360 wrote:I like the pose, but especially on a "moving" model, I think the scope is just to big. Seems like one of those annoying over sized ones you see on DMRs sometimes.
Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!
HF Izanagi wrote:LOL... Great scout man. The scope is a bit OTT, maybe file the nub on top to thin it down- but I totally know what you're going for. I've seen that look on those hunting rifles, but main difference is the rifle has that length and extra barrel, even WM's example has a small barrel leading the front.
Pose is excellent. I like the fact that you have interaction between base and model, and instead of a standard base where everything clings to the base, it's up and "floating" (if that makes sense...? ) One thing though... question, actually, is the thing he's stepping on a mine? It looks like his weight is breaking into whatever his foot is shifting over.
Anyways, good stuff- are you going to continue with the grot stuff? Or was that just a primer? And looking forward to the scout getting painted- I like your scheme on your SMs.
-Remi (HF Iz)
I indeed wanted to work on Scouts based in a industrial, desert world, maybe hunting Orks, so most of the bits come from here... The thing he's stepping on is a "gear" or something from a Trukk kit, some bits an Ork-playing friend of mine gave me before I left... So it's not a mine!!! It is not glued yet, hence the weight of the scout making it bend over in the first pic.
As for the grot stuff... I might have a try at another one, when yakface's big project comes online... In a few weeks, maybe? But I have no ambition for a Grot army, it was just a piece for fun, which turned into a "techniques" experience!! Thanks for the comment anyway, I've been a fan of your miniatures, so your stepping in here is a pleasure!
Gitsplitta wrote:LOLHF... I was about to make that observation but you beat me to it (the mine thing).
Git... As an Ork player, I cannot believe you got into this...
On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants? Could I push the concept even more, and have them adopt a Grot as their greenskin "Servitor", in a defiled mimic of their full-fledged battle brothers?
[warning : I'm not trolling people or asking for "wtf kill the heretic / purge the xenos!" type of answer; I'm asking if, given a sufficiently hard & isolated setting, aspirant SMs could turn on the brink of heresy by treading with Xenos... After all, the BAs did ally with Necrons ]
Hey mate, it's (a) your army and (b) an infinite universe: go with it. I love the grot servitor idea. Trophy-wise, why not? I have one of my scouts brandishing a severed head that looks suspiciously like gitsplitta's avatar...
I think tropies or some kind of orkish camo would be a good idea. It would be hard however to add some grot servant -a good idea, but hard to make- not for background issues but for more visual reasons.
The problem would be to make the grot clearly appear as a servant and not an antagonist. Perhaps giving the grot some out of use scout equipment, to make clear he's trying to mimic his scout masters...
Oh, and I fully agree with inmygravenimage about the trophy
Graven has the right of it Yggs. I think it's entirely reasonable for scouts to adopt some orkish accessories, especially if they're operating in ork territory and are trying to go undetected. Trophies are certainly legitimate too. I think a grot servant is perfectly reasonable. Perhaps a grot rigger who was captured for interrogation but who was so obviously despising of his existing situation in the clan (and curious about the marine's gear) that they offer to spare his life & provide him with food & shelter if he works for them. Big step up for the grot as he probably would get treated much better by the scouts once he'd proven his usefulness than he ever was by his ork masters.
whalemusic360 wrote:I like the pose, but especially on a "moving" model, I think the scope is just to big. Seems like one of those annoying over sized ones you see on DMRs sometimes.
Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!
I did actually pick a FAMAS just for you. I googled "FAMAS massive scope", and that came up I was hoping by some cosmic coincidence that it was actually your gun
Sorry for the first 4 (Perkustin, Sageheart, Skalk, proto_X), I have been writing my reply from yesterday evening, so hadn't noticed yours!!!
Perkustin wrote:The pose looks....... Painful.
Thought i would add a dissenting voice. Otherwise I love the basing/idea of it, i even like the huge scope.
Thanks mate... But I fear that SM only assert pain as an information, not as something that would prevent you from monitoring your fire sector
Sageheart wrote:i likie using the stormraven scouts for interesting poses. I've done that with those models myself. That particular leg layout is odd since it does look like a very painful position, but the model looks pretty good, love the base.
I was hoping I would be the first one in the whole world to think about it, but obviously I was wrong lol... Agreed, those guys have great poses, I'm even tempted to roam the bits sites for more Scout awesomeness... Scout Bike Squadron add in a few interesting bits too...
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Geez Yggs, can't catch a break these last few days.
Cool to see the Scout. The scope is big for sure, but I've seen ridiculously huge scopes for military applications IRL and since everything seems to be even larger in the 41st millennium I think it'll be fine. Once it has some paint everything will come together and people will "ooooh" and "ahhhh" over the awesome OSL you'll do on it.
The "40k-larger-than-life" was quite what I had in mind actually... As for the paint, I think I'll be waiting for my white primer to arrive, hopefully in 2-3 weeks...
prototype_X wrote:if im correct that scope is from the ork boyz sprue.
Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scope looks lie it is the one from the Ork boys sprue
That's what I thought... Thanks for the confirmation!
inmygravenimage wrote:Hey mate, it's (a) your army and (b) an infinite universe: go with it. I love the grot servitor idea. Trophy-wise, why not? I have one of my scouts brandishing a severed head that looks suspiciously like gitsplitta's avatar...
Lol... Can we see that? Both reasons seem good enough, thanks!
Hyenajoe wrote:I think tropies or some kind of orkish camo would be a good idea. It would be hard however to add some grot servant -a good idea, but hard to make- not for background issues but for more visual reasons.
The problem would be to make the grot clearly appear as a servant and not an antagonist. Perhaps giving the grot some out of use scout equipment, to make clear he's trying to mimic his scout masters...
Oh, and I fully agree with inmygravenimage about the trophy
Having the grot trying to mimic a Scout looks fun... Actually, I was thinking of using a Big Shoota backpack, the one with a Snot or Grot on top (scale is in-between IMHO), holding an ammo belt in his hands... But your idea is great too! And he could scavenged some Imperial gear for himself!
prototype_X wrote:i have this image in my head of a pet grot, complete with a leash.
No SM other than Space Marines allowed here, sir!
Gitsplitta wrote:Graven has the right of it Yggs. I think it's entirely reasonable for scouts to adopt some orkish accessories, especially if they're operating in ork territory and are trying to go undetected. Trophies are certainly legitimate too. I think a grot servant is perfectly reasonable. Perhaps a grot rigger who was captured for interrogation but who was so obviously despising of his existing situation in the clan (and curious about the marine's gear) that they offer to spare his life & provide him with food & shelter if he works for them. Big step up for the grot as he probably would get treated much better by the scouts once he'd proven his usefulness than he ever was by his ork masters.
Maybe they're in psychological warfare, and use the Grot to collect information and deceive the Orks by providing false intelligence, and luring them into ambushes?
Or, better : in the Alpha Legion way, they set up cells of Gretchins working for them, plants seeds of rebellion among the Grot slaves in the Ork Camps, and supports their rebellions?
That could be the only way they found to crush the growing Waaagh on that world?
whalemusic360 wrote:
Yggdrasil wrote:Ha, nice pic!!! Even more so since it's a French FAMAS!!! I was actually thinking of something like this when I chose the scope... He's a scout after all, he can have some weird, over-specialized gear!!
I did actually pick a FAMAS just for you. I googled "FAMAS massive scope", and that came up I was hoping by some cosmic coincidence that it was actually your gun
Really??? Awesome!!! Sadly, mine is not as "modern" lol... And doesn't have that scope... Doesn't have any scope, actually... Erh... /end rant.
Yggdrasil wrote:Maybe they're in psychological warfare, and use the Grot to collect information and deceive the Orks by providing false intelligence, and luring them into ambushes?
Or, better : in the Alpha Legion way, they set up cells of Gretchins working for them, plants seeds of rebellion among the Grot slaves in the Ork Camps, and supports their rebellions?
That could be the only way they found to crush the growing Waaagh on that world?
Oh, I love that idea!! Fomenting grot rebellions to weaken a problem ork clan... excellent idea Yggs!
On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants?
Could I push the concept even more, and have them adopt a Grot as their greenskin "Servitor", in a defiled mimic of their full-fledged battle brothers?
Go with it. The SWs have their talismans and such... and from the fluff of your Reaver sent to fight on Gitsplitta's Inq squad (yes, I read that letter- awesome fluff )... they're prone to taking "trophies", in the form of weapons... and by extension, body parts.
And good stuff about the gear- once it's "grounded" in the base, I"m certain it'll pull it together as a piece- the movie Aliens came to mind when I saw it (minus the slime-covered walls... so outer hive), and I"m sure he'll be excellent when he's finished up.
Thanks for the comment anyway, I've been a fan of your miniatures, so your stepping in here is a pleasure!
Not a problem- I could easily say the same of your projects. Keep them coming- it's one big circle of inspiration!
Yggdrasil wrote:On a fluff note... I was thinking of adding a (very) few Ork parts on my Scouts, that they would use as "trophies" and "kamophlaaj" after an especially long, demanding and independant campaign. Do you think it might be ok? They might as well get slaughtered by their brethren when they make contact again, but would it be possible in the beginning? Even endorsed by the older, grizzled Scout Sergeants?
Human history has so many examples of an invading force "going native" while they are "in country". Trinkets appear on uniforms, trophies range from personal effects of slain enemies to carrying the weapons of the opposing force, bits of uniforms integrated with standard issue, etc. I haven't seen anyone do this w/ Space Marines, they are usually so wrapped up in their piety to the Emperor. I love your conversions and I think if you did this it would be stunning.
Gitsplitta wrote:Oh, I love that idea!! Fomenting grot rebellions to weaken a problem ork clan... excellent idea Yggs!
Thanks for the support! That could be part of their training ("thou shall crush the Xenos, but also learn to use its weaknesses against itself")
HF Izanagi wrote:Go with it. The SWs have their talismans and such... and from the fluff of your Reaver sent to fight on Gitsplitta's Inq squad (yes, I read that letter- awesome fluff )... they're prone to taking "trophies", in the form of weapons... and by extension, body parts.
And good stuff about the gear- once it's "grounded" in the base, I"m certain it'll pull it together as a piece- the movie Aliens came to mind when I saw it (minus the slime-covered walls... so outer hive), and I"m sure he'll be excellent when he's finished up.
Wow, not only you read it, but also remember enough of it to link it with my current works, I'm amazed!!! Thanks, I hadn't even it that way, but we might be on something here...
inmygravenimage wrote:@Yggs: rubbish pic, but:
It'd certainly work for your lot!
Ha, Git, what happened to you?!?
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Human history has so many examples of an invading force "going native" while they are "in country". Trinkets appear on uniforms, trophies range from personal effects of slain enemies to carrying the weapons of the opposing force, bits of uniforms integrated with standard issue, etc. I haven't seen anyone do this w/ Space Marines, they are usually so wrapped up in their piety to the Emperor. I love your conversions and I think if you did this it would be stunning.
That was quite my point, I was afraid it would seem "unrealistic" for Space Marines (well, if you consider regular Space Marines as realistic, that is) or even Scouts to accept such behaviour... It seems my idea doesn't get that much opposition, so I might be in the right way... Thanks!
Let's say that the Achlysian Reavers keep an Ork-infested planet under scrutiny, for the sole purpose of training their Scouts. The permanent mission of the Aspirants sent on that planet, in underwhelming force, beyond their mere survival, would be to prevent the Orks from overrunning the whole Imperial holdings on that planet. Sent in small teams, they would learn the arts of deception, ambushes, sabotage, etc... and the art of thinking "out of the box" by recruits "agents" among the enslaved Gretchin population. Is it good for a start?
Looking good Yggs Got a better handle on the first guy's pose now too, earlier I'd thought he was actually kneeling on the pipes. Reckon the finger is a tiny bit over long, if you could just trim the very end off think it'll all be golden.
And no, I don't believe we've ever heard you say a word about the Land Speeder Storm Scouts
Second monkeytroll. It's a bit too long, but should be ok if you take a bit off the upperside, and a bit off the fingertip... and for some odd reason, the movie Mission Impossible 2 jus popped into my head... and a madman with a cigar cutter... bleargh...
He looks good though- where do you get the pipes from? I mentioned it before- the bases for these scouts is about 50% or more of the model for me... they make the miniature, IMO.
Second guy is also quite awesome- I can't wait to see the finished product- how many more to go?
Also, modelling question- I've never used static grass before... is it normal to put it on before primer/painting?
Looks good, as always, bro. Stay safe out there and hope to see more soon.
Goddam the scout heads are horrendous... I beg of you to consider replacing them with something... anything else! Even your prodigious painting skills can't fix the Buzz Lightyear/Duke Nukem heads!
Gitsplitta wrote:Hmmmm... I agree. Finger is too big and gets thicker as it goes. Nice work on the scouts though.
Done, and done. Finger has been shortened, and scaled-down... Thanks!
monkeytroll wrote:Looking good Yggs Got a better handle on the first guy's pose now too, earlier I'd thought he was actually kneeling on the pipes. Reckon the finger is a tiny bit over long, if you could just trim the very end off think it'll all be golden.
And no, I don't believe we've ever heard you say a word about the Land Speeder Storm Scouts
Done with the finger, but no pic for just that...
As for the rest... I LOVE THOSE LAND SPEEDER STORM SCOUTS ! (and I'm not talking about the CRASSUS in here, uh )
HF Izanagi wrote:Second monkeytroll. It's a bit too long, but should be ok if you take a bit off the upperside, and a bit off the fingertip... and for some odd reason, the movie Mission Impossible 2 jus popped into my head... and a madman with a cigar cutter... bleargh...
He looks good though- where do you get the pipes from? I mentioned it before- the bases for these scouts is about 50% or more of the model for me... they make the miniature, IMO.
Second guy is also quite awesome- I can't wait to see the finished product- how many more to go?
Also, modelling question- I've never used static grass before... is it normal to put it on before primer/painting?
Looks good, as always, bro. Stay safe out there and hope to see more soon.
Thanks HF, though I'm not sure the cigar cutter would be part of their gear lol...
Those pipes are exhaust pipes from an Ork vehicle sprue... Must be trucks, I don't know for sure...
As for the total number... I'm currently thinking about a Scout-based army, so there should probably be twenty-ish Scouts, a few bikes, and a couple of LSS... Well, that's until I get tired of them!!
For the static grass, I have found that I preferred "painted" static grass over bare one, for it looked too "mismatched" with my current paint style... So I usually go undercoat, then Snot Gree, Scorpion Green, Sunburst Yellow on them, for a dry, yet vibrant grass... More work, but I like the result better!
Thanks again!
prototype_X wrote:i dont think that putting static grass is usefull if its been primed so after unless you wanted to change the colour,
True. I don't like the colour, thus it being glued on before priming...
MajorTom11 wrote:Goddam the scout heads are horrendous... I beg of you to consider replacing them with something... anything else! Even your prodigious painting skills can't fix the Buzz Lightyear/Duke Nukem heads!
Agreed, they're terrible... But I didn't bring my hoard of IG heads here - and they probably fit traitor guards better anyway - so I'm probably going to be stuck with a few of them... Though I can use some bare SM ones... Thanks for the suggestion though, otherwise I wouldn't have thought about looking through my bitz in here once again... And I have found a perfect head for a grizzled veteran Scout Sergeant... You'll see it, not today, but soon!
prototype_X wrote:i saw i nice conversion using guard heads as scouts with helemts, it looks pretty nice
Don't have any in here... And the "regular" IG heads aren't that great either... But thanks for the suggestion!
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Hey Yggs, nice log you've got here!
Love the weathering on the grot tower, and the little guy is just adorable ;0
The scouts look sweet, i really need to get a Storm and some scout bikes...
Love the daily music as well (not particularly the actual music, im a dance fan, but the idea), nice touch.
Stay safe brother,
Vitruvian
Thanks for the compliments on the Grot, I'm really happy with him and I'm genuinely surprised it gets such low grades in the gallery... Still, I'm glad you like it!
Sorry for your musical tastes though... Kidding uh, I can more than understand people not liking the kind of music I listen to... As I am pretty impervious to all that's close to RnB / Rap / bad pop / etc...
I should be alright as I mostly stay inside the bases, but we're having far too many casualties since I'm here... It's been 5 deaths over a month and a half... Nearly one per week, for 2500 soldiers in the French area, that's a bit high for my taste... But that's the mission, uh...
Hyenajoe wrote:I agree with the comments about the length of the finger and the face of the scouts. Otherwise, the poses are realy good!
Thanks!
I made some progress on 2 more scouts, one with a sniper rifle and the sergeant, but :
- I wanted to model the sniper as if aiming, but used the arm parts with the buttstock over the right arm, so it doesn't look like he's about to fire at all (crap),
- and I have two ideas for the sergeant for now, but cannot decide which one to use... First one is him firing while stepping up (or down) a platform ; second one is him firing while jumping over a barricade or something, supported on his left arm... I'm tempted by option #2, but I fear it might be a bit OTT... In both cases, right arm, body, legs, and head stay the same, the only difference would be the left arm : either "at ease", balancing the firing arm and the stepping up/down, or as the support for the jump over the fence / barricade...
Am I understandable?
I think your first 2 are already OTT, might as well just go for it at this point. I kinda want to see you paint these as Angry Marines, the typical chapter for ott goodness.
Gitsplitta wrote:Go for option 2!!! (because if you don't do it... I'll have to and darn it I have enough to do already!)
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Go for the OTT option! This is the Imperium, Scouts have to prove themselves worthy of being a full battle-brother! Its funny, i used to be a total metal-head a few years ago, now im a hardcore raver! Lol, go figure.
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'm really liking those scouts Yggs
whalemusic360 wrote:I think your first 2 are already OTT, might as well just go for it at this point. I kinda want to see you paint these as Angry Marines, the typical chapter for ott goodness.
Hyenajoe wrote:About the sergeant, go for the second option!
Wow, it seems pretty much everyone agrees for the "leaping Scout Sergeant"...
But a third option occurred to me yesterday, the "Sliding down Sergeant", as if he was getting down a metal slope / bent wall etc...
I definitely need to get pics for you to see, but sadly I didn't bring any bluetack, that would've helped a lot...
@ Git : Are you talking about the Mantis Warrior you're supposed to build for me ??? Sorry, too easy...
@ Vitruvian : I used to be "given to hear" hardcore CDs when I was younger, from a friend of mine... I've never been able to forget a song ("song", really?) that went "The Necronomicon! The Necronomicon! The Necronomicon, hey, the Necronomicon!" for minutes - it was a pretty good one, to be honest... Or maybe that was because we were in our Lovecraft age...
And, that mini would be the Veteran Sergeant, so he could benefit from a more stable, wise stance, uh?
@ Matt : Thx!
@ WM360 : You think the first two are OTT? In an exaggerated kind of "OTT"?
@ Hyena : Well...
Oh, and on a side note, I've had the chance to shoot (for training) a shotgun, a designated marksman rifle, and a 40mm grenade launcher yesterday, and it was... pretty epic!!! How I'd like to have some for me!!
Yggdrasil wrote:@ Git : Are you talking about the Mantis Warrior you're supposed to build for me ??? Sorry, too easy...
I have to read the IA rules before I come up with your Libby... be patient, it's next in line. The head scratcher is that I now have to make a librarian for you that's even cooler than the one I just made for myself... and that's a tall order because I think my terminator libby pretty much hit the mark.
Oh, and on a side note, I've had the chance to shoot (for training) a shotgun, a designated marksman rifle, and a 40mm grenade launcher yesterday, and it was... pretty epic!!! How I'd like to have some for me!!Cheers!
THAT sounds like fun! Remind me some time and I'll share with you my father's story about his hand-grenade training during WWII.
As my dad tells it, he was a young private in basic and they were being trained on how to properly use a grenade. Ahead of them about 20 yards was a concrete trench. They were supposed to run up to the trench, pull the pin and drop the grenade in, Then run back and take cover while the (live) grenade blew up in the trench.
My dad had seen enough war movies to know that really all you had to do was toss the grenade in at range... so that's exactly what he did... When it was his turn he threw the live grenade at the trench from 20 yards away in front of 100 trainees and instructors. Of course as soon as he tossed the grenade, the instructors were screaming "grenade, grenade, everybody down!" at the top of their lungs and everyone hit the deck waiting for the potentially lethal explosion.
Luckily, dad's aim was true and the grenade went off harmlessly in the trench... but I think he had a couple of weeks of KP to think about his "John Wayne" moment.
Sliding sergeant? I have visions of Legolas on a shield here... Keep up the excellent conversions mate! Incidentally, for slider, are you going to use the body of the rappelling scout from the Storm?
Yggdrasil wrote:@ Git : Are you talking about the Mantis Warrior you're supposed to build for me ??? Sorry, too easy...
I have to read the IA rules before I come up with your Libby... be patient, it's next in line. The head scratcher is that I now have to make a librarian for you that's even cooler than the one I just made for myself... and that's a tall order because I think my terminator libby pretty much hit the mark.
Ho, I hadn't envisioned him as a Librarian, but... that might prove interesting...
Vitruvian XVII wrote:Hehe, anything with Necronomicon in is a win in my book! Mmm Cthulhu...
I think a sliding pose could potentially be epic!!
@Gits: I hope the story wasnt that he forgot to throw it after pulling the pin....
I think it's going to be a "mid-jumping-down" after all... I've taken pics, for you to imagine it, but still have to upload them...
By the way, I was kinda used to using the Windows "auto-pics-downloader" from XP, but am now on Windows Seven, and I find it really less practical (mostly in naming the pics with the "date taken", sorting them out in proper folders, etc...) Anyone know a good software that I could use?
monkeytroll wrote:"Sliding down Sergeant" sounds promising
Hmm, I see an ork with stikkbomb in mouth throwing a pin in the pipeline
As mentioned above, it will probably be 'jumping down sergeant' Nice idea with the Ork... I could use that for my Grots!
Gitsplitta wrote:As my dad tells it, he was a young private in basic and they were being trained on how to properly use a grenade. Ahead of them about 20 yards was a concrete trench. They were supposed to run up to the trench, pull the pin and drop the grenade in, Then run back and take cover while the (live) grenade blew up in the trench.
My dad had seen enough war movies to know that really all you had to do was toss the grenade in at range... so that's exactly what he did... When it was his turn he threw the live grenade at the trench from 20 yards away in front of 100 trainees and instructors. Of course as soon as he tossed the grenade, the instructors were screaming "grenade, grenade, everybody down!" at the top of their lungs and everyone hit the deck waiting for the potentially lethal explosion.
Luckily, dad's aim was true and the grenade went off harmlessly in the trench... but I think he had a couple of weeks of KP to think about his "John Wayne" moment.
Does 20yards go to a 30-ish meters? I bet they wouldn't have been harme anyway... But that's a nice story!!!! (Oh, and what does KP stand for? I guess it the "Military Prison", but I don't know that word).
Matt.Kingsley wrote:^
Thats all they should do, more safe for them
Tsssss... Bad boy!!
inmygravenimage wrote:Sliding sergeant? I have visions of Legolas on a shield here... Keep up the excellent conversions mate! Incidentally, for slider, are you going to use the body of the rappelling scout from the Storm?
I'm not sure which one qualifies for "rappelling", but I guess it might be the one... And your reminder of Legolas made me realize "sliding" is not a good idea after all... Or maybe I could use a Storm Shield, maybe?
Ok, I took some quick pictures, I'll try and upload them tonight!
Thanks for the story Gits!!!
Yggdrasil wrote: Ho, I hadn't envisioned him as a Librarian, but... that might prove interesting...
Dang it Yggs... I got my trades mixed up in my head. The libby is going to graven, you're getting the tranqulity vanguard. Sorry for the mix up.
Does 20yards go to a 30-ish meters? I bet they wouldn't have been harme anyway... But that's a nice story!!!! (Oh, and what does KP stand for? I guess it the "Military Prison", but I don't know that word).
A yard is less than a meter... so probably more like 15 - 18 meters. It wasn't all that far away which is why my dad thought it was fine to toss it (no way he could miss). KP = Kitchen Patrol... i.e he got to spend two weeks in the kitchens peeling potatoes and scrubbing dishes. Common punishment for the time in the US military for minor infractions (i.e. being stupid rather than being criminal).
Speaking of 3-drop pads, I've finally got my nationality patch, designed by MajorTom11 on the basis of the From The Warp insigna... I should post a pic, so that you can look at their work... Fine job!
But, WM... I guess I didn't have the chance to thank you!! (Oh, and the homecoming shouldn't be before November... )
Edit : Here are yesterday's promised pictures!
Scout Sergeant WIP (pic 3 is what it could've been in the "stepping down" version... But that's not going to happen, due to you asking for "jumping down"!)
And, here's the current progress for the Sniper Scout... I wanted him to be aiming his gun while resting in a sitting position, but the legs are awkwardly bent inside, and he doesn't seem to be aiming at all... Complete failure for that one... Did I mention I hate those Sniper Scouts, for being un-modular-able? Grrr...
And, eventually... The Nationality Badge :
Ok, not many comments for now, I've been sleeping barely 4hrs per night lately, so have to rest a bit now uh...
The scout sargeant looks excellent. A good combination of parts. (In fact the whole thread looks excellent. I especially like how you put up links for music clips.)
Looking forward to seeing how you make him look like he's "jumping down".
Love the serg. How are you going to convey the "jump"?
Thats a nice seated pose with the legs.
As I said, all credits go to : Grey_Death for allowing me to find the original logo designer, Ron Saikowski for sharing his great "From the Warp" logo, MajorTom11 for the photoshop work, and... the local, afghan market tailor who made them real!!!
2nd question answered later, thanks for the seated pose, I was afraid it would look too awkward...
monkeytroll wrote:Yep, definitely an awesome badge
Sarge is looking good
Think the legs on the sniper could work with a twist of the foot, but yeah, hes not aiming
Sweet dreams
Thanks, but... Which foot?
Igandris wrote:The scout sargeant looks excellent. A good combination of parts. (In fact the whole thread looks excellent. I especially like how you put up links for music clips.)
Looking forward to seeing how you make him look like he's "jumping down".
Wow, sorry, yesterday I was too tired to think of including a song.... Here's the one that would've suited the mood perfectly, had I thought about it yesterday : Black Label Society, Dead Meadow
Gitsplitta wrote:Yggs: I really like the scout sergeant... but I actually like the stepping down version much better.
That patch is way too cool. Nighty night Yggsie!
Night was short again, sadly...
Matt.Kingsley wrote:^
same, now I like stepping better!
Too late now for the stepping down....
He's now been fitted with his left, outstretched arm, as if he had just used it to jump over a fence, and was beginning to fall down... No pic (yet), but I hope you get the point...
And he'll only be connected to the base through the arm & the wall he's jumping down from (if I can pull it out, that is).
I hope I'll manage to make it!
Like the pose of the sergeant. I'll have to see how he progresses for jumping down but I think that may be more a dislike of the scout legs and their general flatness!
DarkStarSabre wrote:Like the pose of the sergeant. I'll have to see how he progresses for jumping down but I think that may be more a dislike of the scout legs and their general flatness!
Yeah, some parts of those Scouts are pretty terrible (heads, feet), but still...
Here's the progress so far, it needed quite a bit of work to get the arm & hand in that position... So I imagine him resting just on his hand, with feet in midair, as if about to land, from his jump over a higher ledge and/or wall. That way, he'd have his gaze & pistol aiming at least horizontally, at best slightly downwards (in a "Death From Above" style...)
Though that very pose would look nice on a Diorama against a towering, charging Carnifex, don't you guys think?
So of course, I had to forfeit the Power Fist for that guy... So gave him a boltgun in between, hoping I'll manage to fit an enthralled Grot with a BA flamer pistol, that I could use to represent the one-shot flamer of a combi-flamer!
Hope you guys get a better idea of it now...
As for today's song... I'll let you guys get it by yourself : Paparoach, Black Clouds, from their album I love the most, LoveHateTragedy.
Special message to PDH : Peter, I hope I didn't hurt your feelings with my words, I apologize. Keep up amazing us, that's all I can hope for.
that's a great model, I think fighting a charging monster would be bosS!
Maybe make the PF detached on the ground so you can still use it when you play? You could also remodel his hand with a termie pf that's open and try to gain the same effect?
Sageheart wrote:that's a great model, I think fighting a charging monster would be bosS!
Maybe make the PF detached on the ground so you can still use it when you play? You could also remodel his hand with a termie pf that's open and try to gain the same effect?
I'm not sure you can just remove a PF as you remove a "glove"... And I'm afraid a Terminator PF would look even more oversized than the BT one (if you forget to consider I don't have any Terminator bits). And the base will already be cluttered up by the wall / pillar / fence, and even more if I manage to include the flame-pistol-bearing Grot!
Gitsplitta wrote:Excellent build Yggs, he's going to look great! Like the song, thanks!
Thanks!
Another idea / concept / pic should come later today...
Dude, I'm so jealous of your patch... that is AWESOME!
I like the newest miniature(s?)- that guy hopping the railing looks really good! Is he to do the full-on parkour leg-swing over the fence while pointing hot-death at (insert target here)? If so, .
Keep it up- these scouts are really good. If GKs used any scout-like units, I'd definitely try my hand at your kind of crazy!
you are right it may be a bit oversized haha, an IGPF would work much better.
I don't know if they can't come off, I always saw them as a complex weapon you had to hook onto your hand, so maybe it doens't come off like a glove, but it should come off...
Well, in my opinion, just depends on the powerfist. Some gauntlets come right on and off, some take some straps here, some locks there... Though I'm always a fan of the cumbersome, go to the shoulder fists, just to stress some (maybe) facts about weight, inconvenience, etc. Besides that scouts can take it.
Enough on my dissertation on the proper inner workings of the conventional power fist, this is some cool conversion work applied to some of the most pose design made plastic miniatures out there (by GW).
HF Izanagi wrote:Dude, I'm so jealous of your patch... that is AWESOME! I like the newest miniature(s?)- that guy hopping the railing looks really good! Is he to do the full-on parkour leg-swing over the fence while pointing hot-death at (insert target here)? If so, .
Keep it up- these scouts are really good. If GKs used any scout-like units, I'd definitely try my hand at your kind of crazy!
-Remi (HF Iz)
Thanks Remi! The patch does raise eyebrows, and some "wtf?", but.. whatever lol!
Target should probably be Orks, as per the current setting of my Scouts... But, who knows!?
inmygravenimage wrote:Maybe get a IGPF? better scale. Looking forward to seeing what you've planned!
Sageheart wrote:you are right it may be a bit oversized haha, an IGPF would work much better.
I don't know if they can't come off, I always saw them as a complex weapon you had to hook onto your hand, so maybe it doens't come off like a glove, but it should come off...
Lord Kaesar II wrote:Well, in my opinion, just depends on the powerfist. Some gauntlets come right on and off, some take some straps here, some locks there... Though I'm always a fan of the cumbersome, go to the shoulder fists, just to stress some (maybe) facts about weight, inconvenience, etc. Besides that scouts can take it.
Enough on my dissertation on the proper inner workings of the conventional power fist, this is some cool conversion work applied to some of the most pose design made plastic miniatures out there (by GW).
Kaesar II
I don't like the IGPF, looks too static too... No, the SM ones look good, and without the shoulder pad, they look as if it was a Scout shoulder pad anyway, so they fit nicely... I guess I'll have to give another Scout Sergeant the PF... Next squad it shall be!
As for how they're strapped on, they might be equipped as gloves, but what I meant was that it was probably hard to remove them on the field for a short time, then re-strap them on! Kaesar, I agree with you too : I like when the PF looks really cumbersome, with cables, added armour plates, etc... Hence a SMPF arm is great for me! It's just not the right mini to put it on...
Here's the last update (and another way to model the mini... pfff... I'm never gonna get away with it!!!)
Let me know what you think!
As for today's song, something that brings some fond memories : Will Smith, Getting Jiggy With It
Yggdrasil wrote:Thanks Remi! The patch does raise eyebrows, and some "wtf?", but.. whatever lol!
Target should probably be Orks, as per the current setting of my Scouts... But, who knows!?
LOL... whatever is damn right! They only wish they had a silhouette of an SM one-handing a boltgun against a field of red and blue... Like the blood drops too, although I'm not sure what that particular rank it denotes. Either way, you got it, they don't. They jus jealous!
I like the newest guy too! The climbing looks really good, and definitely more favored than the previous one, aka the one I thought was going to be a parkour leg swing over a barricade. Keep it up!
HF Izanagi wrote:LOL... whatever is damn right! They only wish they had a silhouette of an SM one-handing a boltgun against a field of red and blue... Like the blood drops too, although I'm not sure what that particular rank it denotes. Either way, you got it, they don't. They jus jealous!
I like the newest guy too! The climbing looks really good, and definitely more favored than the previous one, aka the one I thought was going to be a parkour leg swing over a barricade. Keep it up!
Actually... I rather think they cannot picture the silhouette correctly, for lack of references to the 40k universe... We don't see many 10-11ft hulking giants in armour with portable, rifle-sized rocket launchers around here!
As for the three drops, it's just something MajorTom added, as it's my Achlysian Reaver chapter symbol! Still, no reference from my comrades lol...
edit : another song that would probably qualify to your standards of "silly" : Avril Lavigne, Everything back but you
Yeah, that works Yggs. I liked the idea of him vaulting over something, but this looks good, and certainly not a pose you'll likely come across elsewhere too, which is a bonus.
Something is weird about the pose. I've been looking at the photo for some time now and all I can say is I have a "feeling" something isn't right when I look at it. I think it is in the stance. If he's climbing down, he looks off balance like he's going to fall. His left leg is too far back on the platform, his handhold is too tenuous, and his right leg ... ohhh wait. I see it now. He looks like he's hunched and coiling up to leap, like as soon as he blast off a shot w/ the Plasma he's going to launch himself onto whatever it is he's shooting at.
I just spent wayyy too much time looking at that pic and trying to figure it out. That's a pretty awesome model. I had to stop and think about it.
monkeytroll wrote:Yeah, that works Yggs. I liked the idea of him vaulting over something, but this looks good, and certainly not a pose you'll likely come across elsewhere too, which is a bonus.
Yeah, jumping over looked a bit OTT, but... I might try again sometime!!
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:Something is weird about the pose. I've been looking at the photo for some time now and all I can say is I have a "feeling" something isn't right when I look at it. I think it is in the stance. If he's climbing down, he looks off balance like he's going to fall. His left leg is too far back on the platform, his handhold is too tenuous, and his right leg ... ohhh wait. I see it now. He looks like he's hunched and coiling up to leap, like as soon as he blast off a shot w/ the Plasma he's going to launch himself onto whatever it is he's shooting at.
I just spent wayyy too much time looking at that pic and trying to figure it out. That's a pretty awesome model. I had to stop and think about it.
Lol... Actually I agree with you, so I tried to avoid the "hunching" issue by gluing the stucture at a soft angle from the vertical, so that the mini looks as if straight up when clinging to it...
It's still drying at the moment, so no pics...
On another topic, Mike3066 PM'd me yesterday, asking about how I based my latest minis (and suggesting I should do a tutorial about that). Woud any of you guys be interested too? If not, I'll just PM him in return with the explanations. If so, I might put some efforts into a good explanation....
Oh, last thing... There be should enough room to fit a Humie-Skorcha Grot on the Sergeant base, so he's in for a combi-flamer gear!!!
Sam - don't expect wonders mate, the Grot sprues are pretty un-modular uh... That'll be just a weapon swap & a very few Imperial gear, nothing more than this!
monkeytroll wrote:One grot plus one hobby knife equals modular grot edit: actually, that should probably be 2 grots + 1 knife = modular grot (depends on the grot/s)
Have you seen those plastic grots, honestly? They're quite static, lack a lot of detail, and have many parts "melded" into another, meaning that if you want to reposition any limb or head, you'd better just sculpt everything back! Or maybe I'm just not seeing the trick with them?
whalemusic360 wrote:Which bases? The hop over the pipes guy?
Actually he asked about the bases I did for the Achlysian Reaver... Wait... Maybe he's talking about the one Gitsplitta did?
I'll have to ask him lol, whether it's :
THIS ONE : OR THIS ONE
After thinking about it, it's more than likely that he was asking about Git's bases... So I'll just direct him to his already-done tutorial!
Back on topic, I like Yggs base better than my own... it's more subdued and natural looking, though I do like my own base style as well (obviously, or I wouldn't be doing it). The colors on that pic of mine are a little cranked up... my bases aren't quite that electric looking.
I think Andrew and Matt are referring to this: Surrender monkeys.
While 'm guessing you guys didn't mean anything with that its still pretty uncalled for.
I like the "dropping down" scout. He looks like he's just about snap off a shot before dropping down. Good work. Was there a recipe for the SM's armor on the Marine swap thread?
Yes, there is a common view in American culture that the french surrender and run from all fights. Non-ignorant folks know its not true, especially those of us that know you are doing just that. Clearly during the riots law enforcement did nothing and your military aren't part of the NATO forces deployed in the middle east...oh, wait, that's backwards...
I do find it interesting that you are using woodland camo (from the small amount visible). Is that the pattern you guys are rocking in a largely brown environment?
I love seeing your reavers. They remind me of what Deathguard would look like if they hadn't gone all nurgely.
Igandris wrote:I think Andrew and Matt are referring to this: Surrender monkeys.
While 'm guessing you guys didn't mean anything with that its still pretty uncalled for.
I like the "dropping down" scout. He looks like he's just about snap off a shot before dropping down. Good work. Was there a recipe for the SM's armor on the Marine swap thread?
I didn't know there was such a popular anti-French expression... Bet you can say that to the guys that died alongside your forces here in Afghanistan...
Thanks for the kind words on the Scout! As for the Reaver armour, I guess there was... If you're really interested, I'll let you dig through! If you don't find it, ask again...
whalemusic360 wrote:Yes, there is a common view in American culture that the french surrender and run from all fights. Non-ignorant folks know its not true, especially those of us that know you are doing just that. Clearly during the riots law enforcement did nothing and your military aren't part of the NATO forces deployed in the middle east...oh, wait, that's backwards...
I do find it interesting that you are using woodland camo (from the small amount visible). Is that the pattern you guys are rocking in a largely brown environment?
I love seeing your reavers. They remind me of what Deathguard would look like if they hadn't gone all nurgely.
Thx for the explanation, WM...
As for the camo, I don't think you can ever find a perfect camo (except with 40k's cameleoline?). Actually what we call the "Green Zone", where most of the fights occur, is, as the name implies, really green due to a lot of trees, high grass & culture fields (yeah, including poppy)... So it's not that bad, honestly... And, I've been quite surprised to see the US troops recently shed their blueish, pixelized BDUs to get some "light woodland" ones... 1 step forward, 2 backwards, it seems... Too bad, I actually kind liked the bluish one!
As for the Deathguard, I don't think I would've pictured them like that... IIRC, they mention in the BL books that their armours were unpainted & unadorned, so I kinda figured they had a somewhat metallic tint to them?
People forget that it was French military involvement during the American Revolution that helped our little colonial revolt against the world's super-power succeed.
Silly sods. I don't think they meant any real harm Yggs... just a stupid aspect of American culture. We have many, you'll have to forgive them.
I didn't know anything about that, I was just commenting on how it was funny! (to me, at least) Now I understand that it was uncalled for, I'm sorry I laughed!
(I'm Aussie, forgive my insolence, I don't understand these American Things)
Great to see you can keep up the good work, even in a war zone. Maybe you could send an AH-64 over to my place, to help me take back my dinner table for modeling.
In case there are any still wondering if the french bolivians can indeed be bad mothers, I present this argument: At least I'm fairly certain they are french bolivian. I am positive they are awesome.
The camo underneath all that black armor does make me chuckle though... it's so incongruous. They should just embrace the whole cyber-warrior look and go all black.
Bolivian's I think. The tag on the flag carriers breast says policia and the only countries whose armies use SA80 are UK, Bolivia and Jamaica. But I concur that they are indeed bada$$.
I second Igandris. Although, Gitsplitta does make a fairly solid argument with the awesome skull warriors emerging from lavender smoke. Definitely have to a have a brass/steel pair to make that decision out of all the other colors you could think of.
I thought ballistic masks were just Army of Two fabrications... amazing that they're actually real!
And second Gits- embrace the darkside. The camo won't help you anyways, what with your black components in the mix.
-Remi (HF Iz)
EDIT- Credit where credit is due - AWESOME pic, Whalemusic.
Hmmm... from a web search those appear to be Bolivian internal security forces (police). Disbanded in 2009 after their leader started shooting reporters who were filming a botched arrest.
monkeytroll wrote:One grot plus one hobby knife equals modular grot edit: actually, that should probably be 2 grots + 1 knife = modular grot (depends on the grot/s)
Have you seen those plastic grots, honestly? They're quite static, lack a lot of detail, and have many parts "melded" into another, meaning that if you want to reposition any limb or head, you'd better just sculpt everything back! Or maybe I'm just not seeing the trick with them?
whalemusic360 wrote:Which bases? The hop over the pipes guy?
Actually he asked about the bases I did for the Achlysian Reaver... Wait... Maybe he's talking about the one Gitsplitta did?
I'll have to ask him lol, whether it's :
THIS ONE : OR THIS ONE
After thinking about it, it's more than likely that he was asking about Git's bases... So I'll just direct him to his already-done tutorial!
lovely to see those two again Yggs , they are bloody good mate.
Gitsplitta wrote:Hmmm... from a web search those appear to be Bolivian internal security forces (police). Disbanded in 2009 after their leader started shooting reporters who were filming a botched arrest.
Interesting. And still pretty BA.
Edited original post for clarity.
LOL! You did a funnier job of back-tracking than I did.
There was apparently a lively debate as to whether they were a kind of Chinese made ballistic mask or something much less durable. Given that these were police forces, a simple shock-resistant mask to protect against thrown objects but that looked intimidating as heck might have been sufficient. (especially if your main targets are reporters)
Sorry for the derail Yggs... we need more production from you to bring us back on topic!
Sorry guys, not much time available for modelling... Though I've had some time to think about my Achlysian Reavers fluff...
And I've had dreams of slightly mutated Astartes organs, Space Hulks, Navy fleets, arrogant Imperial worlds, Codex Astartes, frightful rites of passage, cleansing the Chaos taint, dealings with Xenos & Mutants, so...
I might come up with something soon!!
(And I'm still reviewing the Dark Heresy books, to find a suitable world - that is, not described by any DH fluff so that I can implement my own - where I could settle a Fortress-Monastery... Takes a lot of time to go through!)
WM, thanks for sharing that pic, it's really awesome... I'll have to show it to my MP guys down here, they cound find some inspiration (no, I'm not talking about the colour of the smoke).
Hahaha, I love watching how this thread has derailed so much...
Great Pic WM, they do look awesome, i really wish our guardsmen models look liike that! for some reason it reminds me of GI-Joe and its Cobra villain haha.
On track, its great to see old models again, I have always been into that jumping rock pose you made for Gitz, so if i were you I would totally go down that route in terms of the scouts. I think it would be cool to really show them on a rugged terrain which scouts are always forced to go in in order to do their job well: scout!
I would personally show some traces of battle, i think the marines are coming in after the Ig have failed, and they are moving into old battlefields and traces of that war is everywhere. I think that's a cool image, and the scouts would be the perfect SM unit to see the carnage, and since they are still in training they are getting use to the grim view a SM can have. littered IG helmets, bulletholes, etc.
@ Skalk : Lol, at first I was wondering : did he just copy the picture? To what end? Then I saw it lol... Great!!! And, according to the article, it seems Chaos got them indeed!
@ Sageheart : Actually it was Gitsplitta who based him on a rock... I just had the dynamic pose, Git turned it into an über-dynamic pose!! As for the battle damage, I should add some indeed... I've thought of the landscape, but not enough on the mini... Or maybe I'll paint-chip them later?!?
I'm not big on the paint chipping, It looks cool, but I would rather have their poses and their bases show the battlefield they are in. also just the way they see the battle damage. Its one thing to throw some dead body parts on a base, another to show the horrorified look of the IG stuck on the base surrounded by these body parts.
I think you could have a lot of fun with these scouts and how they view the battle around them, as well as the cool poses you've been making!
Well, I can understand, but on the opposite I tend to think of the Scouts as usually far from the "real" fight... They're supposed to ambush & sabotage & infiltrate, all behind the enemy lines, not along the friendly ones!
But I might keep that in mind, thanks... That's a nice twist to the usual "put some dead enemies on the base, so that they know they're already dead facing you" : it's more of a "put some dead friendlies on the base, so that they know their sacrifice hasn't been in vain"!!!!
Been a little busy these last weeks, so it's been hard working on my scouts... Plus, I installed Blood Bowl on my computer, and whenever I have a spare hour, I have to admit it's much easier to turn on the computer than get to the modelling table
Still, I have done little progress on the Scout Sergeant, and his Grot assistant / hireling. The grot is helping him carry a flamer pistol, that will, combined with the bolter, count as the "one-shot" flamer of the combi-flamer. After all, the grot will probably squeeze the trigger until there is no fuel in the canister, which can explain a flamer pistol will produce a S4 gout of flames, but only once!
Here are the pics (Sarge isn't glued on the base, and his foot will lean flat on the strut; Grot is pinned for showing the expended flamer shot) :
I've added a few Imperial stuff on the grot, so that it's obvious he's being supplied by the Scouts...
Another option would be to have them fire in the same direction, but I quite liked that 90° line of fire, as in a sort of "buddy movie", where they'd be fighting against overwhelming odds...
So what do you think?
As for today's song : My friends, from the awesome movie Sweeney Todd.
I think it's fantastic... not at all what I expected. I also think the scout's left arm needs to be anchored higher up on the wreckage in relation to his body in order to steady his weight. Maybe I'm not getting the pose... but I think he'd have to be pulling rather than pushing in order to stay upright.
"An attempt by the Tech-Priests to cybernetically control the simplest of the Orkish races, the Grots, showed initial promise. Experimental use as servitors by Space Marine Scout units saw an increased delta in force projection and situational awareness. However, as the Ork genome has an inherent, although not fully understood, affinity for bionics and cybernetics, these Cybergrots proved unreliable when put nearby other Orkish units, oft-times with explosive results."
Gitsplitta wrote:I also think the scout's left arm needs to be anchored higher up on the wreckage in relation to his body in order to steady his weight. Maybe I'm not getting the pose... but I think he'd have to be pulling rather than pushing in order to stay upright.
Hyenajoe wrote:Great job, but I must agree with Git about the left arm.
tipios wrote:I agree wit Gits and Joe, about the arm. Can you get him to hold the top of the bar or even the right edge.
Believe it or not, due to your skepticism about the pose, I've spent the last 10min hanging around various places in the base, trying to figure out what you meant, and making a fool of myself with acrobatics ... And though I agree it would've looked cool too if the arm was higher up, it feels quite natural to get down to something that looks close to that in the pose he's in... I had no one to take pics of me, but I swear it worked!!!
He's pushing his arm, and bending it slowly as he gets down, along with his left knee, while his right leg aims to the ground... He can't be pulling, otherwise it'd get him off balance and pull him down! Or maybe I'm not getting what you're saying...
Gitsplitta wrote:I think it's fantastic... not at all what I expected.
Thanks, I may have been quite fuzzy in my description of the scene? What is it you didn't expect? Is that the Grot you're talking about?
whalemusic360 wrote:Looks good to me, though I suspect you will hear cries of heresy and purging the xenos and whatnot.
Hey, sure, but I intend on giving some fluff to get around that... Soon, soon, I promise...
Hyenajoe wrote:The inquisition symbol on the grot makes me laugh. Have you thought of painting a tatooed aquila on his shoulder?
Hey, I might try, that'd be awesome! I doubt I can freehand such a thing though, but...
Nice eye spotting that detail, by the way!!! It muzt be sumfin' shiny fer da good ladz!
tipios wrote:Very cool. Yeah stay with the 90° line of fire, looks more dramatic.
Stay safe!
That's what I thought, thanks!
Briancj wrote:"An attempt by the Tech-Priests to cybernetically control the simplest of the Orkish races, the Grots, showed initial promise. Experimental use as servitors by Space Marine Scout units saw an increased delta in force projection and situational awareness. However, as the Ork genome has an inherent, although not fully understood, affinity for bionics and cybernetics, these Cybergrots proved unreliable when put nearby other Orkish units, oft-times with explosive results."
Hey, that could be a good explanation, Briancj! But I am more inclined to think of the Grots as "hirelings", or "followers" of the Scouts rather than "cyber-slaves"... And I don't have PDH's talent for tiny bionic details!!! Thanks for that though, that could prove to be interesting, in another story...
at first I was like "damn these are some pretty good models"
but i then discover that not only are you in the military your on tour in afghanistan now? an you can still find time to paint more frequently and better than me?
For some reason, I really enjoy the threads from our folks in the field. Stay safe.
Your painting corner amuses me to no end. Way to make use of available materials! Remember, if you need anything, put up a ping. Dakka's damn good about getting stuff into the hands of people in the armed forces.
Killamop wrote:at first I was like "damn these are some pretty good models"
but i then discover that not only are you in the military your on tour in afghanistan now? an you can still find time to paint more frequently and better than me?
I've got to step up my game.
I love all of the models, very good stuff man.
I'm not sure you can be less frequent than me : it's been two minis in two months, which makes (roughly ) one per month lol...
Thanks for the complement though!!
inmygravenimage wrote:As always, tremendous quality and great fun - good stuff chief.
Thx!
Gitsplitta wrote:@Yggs: Dunno... perhaps I'd spaced it... I do remember now the discussion of the grot, for some reason it still surprised me.
Well, I think causing "surprise" is quite unexpected in here, so I must assume I can be pretty proud of that!
tipios wrote:@Yggdrasil - I see, he's getting down from where he is I had him pulling himself up, it makes sense now.
Should have said that before you went out and tried it yourself
Actually, I tried it myself after all your comments lol... Some gave me crazy looks lol...
Briancj wrote:For some reason, I really enjoy the threads from our folks in the field. Stay safe. Your painting corner amuses me to no end. Way to make use of available materials! Remember, if you need anything, put up a ping. Dakka's damn good about getting stuff into the hands of people in the armed forces. --Brian
I'm glad it manages to amuse at least 1 person lol... Actually, my back & eyes do not find it that much funny lol...
What do you mean by "ping" (that is out of my knowledge of idioms, I'm afraid...)?
No pic update for today, but I received two of the new plastic WHFB wizards, that I had ordered for Panic's ++Pimp my wizard 40k++ challenge, and... I haven't managed to resist the urge to get my hands on them... At first I had thought about using the Necromancer, but it's not easy to convert it without either top-notch GS-fu, or a huge, human-sized models bitz box... And in here I'm mostly with SM things, so it was kinda out of the question...
So I've started converting the Chaos Sorcerer, that I intend to turn into an Oblationist Inquisitor... Probably from the Ordo Hereticus, but I'm still not sure... I had a good feeling about a Malleus one too...
I also managed to fit the torso with not-aiming-sniper-rifle on legs, in a pose that make it realistic enough so that I'm not compelled to scrap everything, and that looks quite dynamic too, so I'm quite relieved...
Pics for both, maybe on tomorrow (or most probably, the day after)!
Can't wait to see your sorcerer. A Inquisitor is always an interesting subject.
As I already told you, don't despise your GSing skills, one just has to take a look at your Nurgle DP to be convinced.
For the head, I suggest that -if you have a spare marines head - you just take the a part of the face (or the whole face if you wish) and sculpt a respirator/mask to hide the lower part of the face or massive googles hiding the upper part.
Then again, I strongly believe it's something you are more than able to do.
One last thing: If your back and eyes are hurting while you're painting it's not because of your painting corner, its because you're getting too old for this st (sorry I couldn't resist)
@ Hyenajoe : I'm afraid it will be a bit too ambitious... and end up overloaded with too many things... And I used a servo-skull for the head, which I think worked perfectly on other hobbyists' models, but for a somewhat obscure reason doesn't seem to fit in this one... I might post a WIP for advice, who knows...
As for my age... I don't think being less than thirty grants me the title of "too old for this"... Well, that is, unless you consider "this" to be "painting toy soldiers for playing with your buddies"
@ Briancj : Well, as mentioned somewhere before, I am kind of a "bitz hoarder", and never seem to have enough, even though I probably have more models in my home that I'll ever be able to finish in my whole life!! But I'm always after bits to buy, sure... I just have no idea about what I need! Thanks for the offer though, very kind of you...
Yggdrasil wrote:@ Briancj : Well, as mentioned somewhere before, I am kind of a "bitz hoarder", and never seem to have enough, even though I probably have more models in my home that I'll ever be able to finish in my whole life!! But I'm always after bits to buy, sure... I just have no idea about what I need! Thanks for the offer though, very kind of you...
Well, we all are hoarders. But, I'm thinking more along the lines of brushes, paints, plasticard, magazines, snacks, Ribald photographs of Gitspitta, and so on. (im)Moral support!
Yggdrasil wrote:@ Hyenajoe : I'm afraid it will be a bit too ambitious... and end up overloaded with too many things... And I used a servo-skull for the head, which I think worked perfectly on other hobbyists' models, but for a somewhat obscure reason doesn't seem to fit in this one... I might post a WIP for advice, who knows...
As for my age... I don't think being less than thirty grants me the title of "too old for this"... Well, that is, unless you consider "this" to be "painting toy soldiers for playing with your buddies"
Briancj wrote:Well, we all are hoarders. But, I'm thinking more along the lines of brushes, paints, plasticard, magazines, snacks, Ribald photographs of Gitspitta, and so on. (im)Moral support!
--Brian
The onlyt thing I cannot put my hands on in here is paint in spray cans, as it's forbidden in airmail... Already two shippings have been sent back So I guess there's no hope for me lol...
Lol, I guess there are plenty of films that could have qualified for that quote lol... And I haven't seen that film for a long time... I'm not too much in films anyway, except when I can kitbash models at the same time lol...
Ok, I had hinted at some updates yesterday, so here they are :
- Scout #3 (= Scout Sniper #1) :
As mentioned yesterday, this torso + arms + weapons were the ones I had kitbashed + GS'ed to figure aiming, but failed completely... So I tried to find a pose that would turn that awful stance into something realistic, and I think it's not so bad... As if he's detected a new threat behind him, and caught in the middle of his turn towards that foe. Does it show?
- Panic's Pimp my wizard 40k - Oblationist Inquisitor
Here's a very WIP pic... For those who haven't read the thread, it's a small competition aiming at turning one of the new Storm of Magic Wizards into a 40k character... Quite funny TBH!!
I'm sure the Inquisition will be a sizeable portion of the submissions, but as I'm all in reading the Dark Heresy RPG books lately, it's quite inspiring...
@ Hyenajoe : actually, for some reason the servo-skull head looks better on the pic than in reality lol!!!
What do you think for a start? Is it convincing?? Some paths I'm considering for the rest of the mini :
- an Ork Big Shoota backpack, the one with a grot body that should make a nice dwarven mutant, once fitted with a human head ;
- a CSM bolter in his right arm ;
- either a severed Daemonette head (GK kit), a Book or a Scroll (Skaven Plague Monks kit) in his left arm..
Any suggestion is welcome, as usual!!!
On a side note, I've eventually managed to get my hobby-buddy into Dakka, please take a few seconds to say a few nice, welcoming words in here, thanks in advance!
As for today's song, something to celebrate that nice day I had today (though had only a 1-hour sleep), is an extract from Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog, a must-see (and must-hear) tripartite musical blog, starring Neil Patrick Harris (Barney Stinson in How I Met Your Mother) and Nathan Fillon (Castle)...
The scout works, but I'm not totally sold on it. I feel like he does look as though a new threat has popped up behind him, but without explaining that everytime, I feel as though he's just distracted. Maybe as if, someone was ordering him not to take the shot. On the other hand, your Pimp my Wizard looks totally awesome. I feel like the scroll in his left hand would suit the model the best, imo. Are you going to remove or fiddle with that Chaos eye dangling off his belt? Or is the oblationist chaos affiliated? Regardless, he looks great!
Moltar wrote:The scout works, but I'm not totally sold on it. I feel like he does look as though a new threat has popped up behind him, but without explaining that everytime, I feel as though he's just distracted. Maybe as if, someone was ordering him not to take the shot.
tipios wrote:Sniper dose look like something has distracted him, was it a big monster, because he looks scared
Well, that pose for the Scout was the 'least crappy" thing I could come up with... So I guess I'll have to cope with it! I hope the painting will help get rid of that frightened / distracted feeling...
Moltar wrote:On the other hand, your Pimp my Wizard looks totally awesome. I feel like the scroll in his left hand would suit the model the best, imo. Are you going to remove or fiddle with that Chaos eye dangling off his belt? Or is the oblationist chaos affiliated? Regardless, he looks great!
tipios wrote:Pimped sorcerer is looking very nice.
SonofTerra wrote:I second the vote for the scroll. Awesome conversion thus far!
Ok, the scroll was my inclination anyway, so you don't have much to say to convince me lol...
The Oblationists are a small faction of the Inquisition, whose background can be found in "The Radical's Handbook", one of the Dark Heresy RPG books.
To put it simply, the Oblationists form an extremist faction, even compared to their fellow Inquisitors, in that they share the beliefs of the Monodominant Puritan faction, but also think the only way to ensure the domination of Manking over the galaxy is to wield the Dark Powers that the Xanthite Radical faction use. Hence, they wilfully accept and embrace their own damnation, forfeiting their salvation in the eyes of the Emperor, to fight His enemies with their own powers. To them, the Radicals are heretics and should be purged, guilty of the sin of hubris, because they think they can use Chaos without being corrupted by its power; on the other hand, Puritans are considered useless, for in this war against the Ruinous Powers, you can only fight fire with fire.
Of course, most of them are considered as the staunchest of heretics by their "brethren", and dutifully hunted and purged by both parties...
So, though no Inquisitor is fully "Chaos-affiliated", they tend to use daemon weapons, corrupted gear, forbidden lore & dark psychic powers. So yeah, at first I was thinking I would rip off the Chaos eye for a more Imperial symbol, but due to the amound of gear I'm strapping upon him, I think a few Chaos icons will not be too much to show his using forbidden materials!
inmygravenimage wrote:Geez that =][= is stunning - what's the base fig?
This new WHFB sorcerer : (from the GW website).
Necromancer looks pretty good too!
Yggdrasil wrote: Well, that pose for the Scout was the 'least crappy" thing I could come up with... So I guess I'll have to cope with it! I hope the painting will help get rid of that frightened / distracted feeling...
Fair enough
Yggdrasil wrote:
To put it simply, the Oblationists form an extremist faction, even compared to their fellow Inquisitors, in that they share the beliefs of the Monodominant Puritan faction, but also think the only way to ensure the domination of Manking over the galaxy is to wield the Dark Powers that the Xanthite Radical faction use. Hence, they wilfully accept and embrace their own damnation, forfeiting their salvation in the eyes of the Emperor, to fight His enemies with their own powers. To them, the Radicals are heretics and should be purged, guilty of the sin of hubris, because they think they can use Chaos without being corrupted by its power; on the other hand, Puritans are considered useless, for in this war against the Ruinous Powers, you can only fight fire with fire.
Of course, most of them are considered as the staunchest of heretics by their "brethren", and dutifully hunted and purged by both parties...
So, though no Inquisitor is fully "Chaos-affiliated", they tend to use daemon weapons, corrupted gear, forbidden lore & dark psychic powers. So yeah, at first I was thinking I would rip off the Chaos eye for a more Imperial symbol, but due to the amound of gear I'm strapping upon him, I think a few Chaos icons will not be too much to show his using forbidden materials!
Purely awesome. And thanks! I was not aware of them, I'm glad you shared. I imagine if anything, that those DWRPG books make for a fun read.
Well, the fluff hints at the fact that this small, almost unknown faction of the Inquisition would be limited to the Calixis Sector [though I haven't read everything thoroughly yet, so I might be wrong]... And yeah, those books have all the "grimdarkness" you'd expect from the most bada** & extremist Imperial organisation... Very fun to read, but a huge lot too!
Also, I almost forgot. A small tribute to a singer, that my GF hated (which made me like the music even more lol).
"They tried to make me go to rehab'...
[Maybe] I shouldn't have said No, No, No..."
My apologies, Yggs, for being absent for so long! School, work, and deadline/fanaticism for the Pimp My Wizard/Sorcerer we're in is taking up what little freetime I've got.
My favorite model so far has to be the hanging scout w/ the Grot on the base. For some odd reason, it makes "sense". Great model, and most of all, great wear on the part he's hanging off of- looks natural, and I know the paint job will match!
As to your inquisitor for the PMW/S, great use of the servitor head. What're you putting in his hands?
I note that you said you wanted to try the Necromancer, but felt limited by its overall pose. (I also considered the last one, but ultimately went for the grasshopper tzeentch model)... what were you considering doing with it? I'm kinda regretting my choice now (kinda, but I like my own too), seeing how so many people are doing amazing things with it.
Hope you're safe out there, and good luck on your conversions! I could take a lesson in neatness from your models...
As mentioned, his hands are supposed to be wielding a bolter (right one), and either a Daemonette head / Book / Scroll (left one), though the guys who commented in here clearly had the same favourite as I did : the scroll!!!
As for the Necromancer, I didn't have anything specific in mind... I just liked the model!!! There's a nice start of an Imperial Priest with chainsword on the last page of the Pimp my Wizard thread though, it's a pretty nice idea!
Next question is : I had intended to give him a backpack with a wyrdling mutant, but I'm afraid it will dampen the "grimdark" feel to turn it into "funny"... Other option is a holstered shotgun.
Wyrdling Mutant?
Or Shotgun?
[also, the scroll is temporarily on, for those who wondered how it would look...]
I like the dude on his back. Replace the shell he's holding with a small scroll so he doesn't look so much like an ammo-grot and you'll have something.
You might find an appropriate figure in a smaller (25mm) scale, which would look better in comparison with the wizard.
Oh, and as a shameless plug, and because you have no song of the day, I'd like to recommend this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5QpU_aS8c&ob=av2e I'm friends with the guitarist, who's hes a giant nerd (has more hours on any given Pokemon than I do on my DS) and a good guy. Video is a bit risque, so be advised.
As mentioned, his hands are supposed to be wielding a bolter (right one), and either a Daemonette head / Book / Scroll (left one), though the guys who commented in here clearly had the same favourite as I did : the scroll!!!
As for the Necromancer, I didn't have anything specific in mind... I just liked the model!!! There's a nice start of an Imperial Priest with chainsword on the last page of the Pimp my Wizard thread though, it's a pretty nice idea!
Next question is : I had intended to give him a backpack with a wyrdling mutant, but I'm afraid it will dampen the "grimdark" feel to turn it into "funny"... Other option is a holstered shotgun.
[also, the scroll is temporarily on, for those who wondered how it would look...]
No special song today, sorry...
Cheers!
Yea, I second(third?) the scroll. I think it has a more authoritative feel to it... or banishing, if you plan to OSL something on it like it's reacting to warp-fiends.
As to the necromancer... yea, I like it too... just that nothing was coming to me in terms of a powerful conversion... that, and I'm more of a lover of dynamic-movement-models... hence my ninja-shredder-guyver-insect-vespid... thing. Conversion.
Hmm... for the wyrdling... Gitz has the right idea. I like the idea very much, but the current model kinda takes away from the seriousness of the model without it. Probably something to do with little grots crawling around bigger, meaner (but still comical) orks. Smaller, and not so grot-ish, if you're really going to have a go at it. Otherwise, the model by itself is already pretty damn good.
I would also suggest doing something a bit more with the face, it looks awesome, but the servo bit is very familiar to me and I can't see it as a head and not a servo skull bit if you know what I mean? At the least, I would suggest gs'ing out the iv and adding a respirator or jaw to break up the familiar silhouette... If you are feeling ambitious though, and since I know you are a talented bugger, why not chop up a face into there, and leave half the skull as bionics, and half a face? That would look pretty ool IMHO!
whalemusic360 wrote:Oh, and as a shameless plug, and because you have no song of the day, I'd like to recommend this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5QpU_aS8c&ob=av2e I'm friends with the guitarist, who's hes a giant nerd (has more hours on any given Pokemon than I do on my DS) and a good guy. Video is a bit risque, so be advised.
Hey, thanks for sharing that!!! To be honest it sounds a tad "commercial" to me, but I'd most probably enjoy buying the CD!!! Well, I might do that actually Thanks for sharing, and for watching my back!
whalemusic360 wrote:I'd go sans mutant, seems a bit big compared to the model its riding on.
Sageheart wrote:I'm not digging the wyrdling, it seems too comical, i like the model without the wyrdling though, love the scroll.
I would maybe go with some other form of backpack, maybe much more grimdark, some kind of gothic communication backpack or something
inmygravenimage wrote:Not loving the wyrdling at all I'm afraid. I think it really detracts and distracts from the figure as a whole. Love the scroll mind.
MajorTom11 wrote:No weirdling is my vote.
Ok, so that's 4 of you guys against the wyrdling... By the way Tom, I had never gotten the wyrd/weird thing... Thanks for pointing it out to me! (I don't have no "Captain Obvious" genes in my familiy, I'm afraid...)
@ Sageheart : that's a nice suggestion, but for some reason I always seem to be unable to "scratchbuild" a proper backpack of some sorts... I have brought with me quite a few "techy" bits (antennae, radars, scopes, etc...) but I don't know where to put them on!
I agree it looks comical, and I'll probably keep him for, say... a member of that Inquisitor's retinue? It could be funny to have a muscular mutant (like, an Ork body with a human head - Mr. Brawn - strong but dumb) with a huge gun, and on his backpack a tiny psyker mutant (like the grot body with a necromancer head - Mr Wits - fragile, lunatic, but with huge psychic powers). What would you think of that?
HF Izanagi wrote:Hmm... for the wyrdling... Gitz has the right idea. I like the idea very much, but the current model kinda takes away from the seriousness of the model without it. Probably something to do with little grots crawling around bigger, meaner (but still comical) orks. Smaller, and not so grot-ish, if you're really going to have a go at it. Otherwise, the model by itself is already pretty damn good.
Gitsplitta wrote:I like the dude on his back. Replace the shell he's holding with a small scroll so he doesn't look so much like an ammo-grot and you'll have something.
You might find an appropriate figure in a smaller (25mm) scale, which would look better in comparison with the wizard.
Yeah, and you expect me to find a 25mm scale shop somewhere around here lol?
Lol, actually I had though of giving him a small gun in his left arm but keep the right hand as is, but your idea might be better... I could try that, though not for this model I'm afraid, I've already decided against it...
MajorTom11 wrote:I would also suggest doing something a bit more with the face, it looks awesome, but the servo bit is very familiar to me and I can't see it as a head and not a servo skull bit if you know what I mean? At the least, I would suggest gs'ing out the iv and adding a respirator or jaw to break up the familiar silhouette... If you are feeling ambitious though, and since I know you are a talented bugger, why not chop up a face into there, and leave half the skull as bionics, and half a face? That would look pretty ool IMHO!
I really, really know what you mean... Hence my self-criticism about the head earlier. I think it looks better on the pics, and I've quite grown used to it by now... And I just don't know how to GS things that would look good. I had intended on keeping the IV as something "etched" into his (her?) skull as (s)he took the "Oath of Oblation"... And finding a fluffy explanation for that As for a rebreather of jaw, I'm afraid that's quite out of my skills... The two things I had thought of were a high collar that would hide the bottom part of the face, or sculpt a scarf around where the jaw would be, but I have found something suitable for the collar, and I'm scared I might ruin everything by stuffing GS into the neck part, and not managing to make something good out of it...
What can I do???
[edit : here's what I had in mind for the "scarf" : from this
to this . A bit hard uh?]
HF Izanagi wrote:Yea, I second(third?) the scroll. I think it has a more authoritative feel to it... or banishing, if you plan to OSL something on it like it's reacting to warp-fiends.
As to the necromancer... yea, I like it too... just that nothing was coming to me in terms of a powerful conversion... that, and I'm more of a lover of dynamic-movement-models... hence my ninja-shredder-guyver-insect-vespid... thing. Conversion.
Thanks to all for the scroll, I think it looks pretty good... I hab a bit of a struggle to attach it to the arm (scale & wrist issues), but I think that's it now! Also since it's supposed to be a Skaven hand, it has claws on it which suit a corrupted Inquisitor pretty well! And, since I'm bad at freehands, I've added a few bits on the scroll to turn it easier for the painting, as well as adding a few more details... Maybe pics for this evening!
Thanks for the support, as always, and for those who have suggestions regarding my questions, please don't hesitate to help me!
Yeah, Bounce is not my favorite song on there, but they are just coming out of the gate, and needed something that would get peoples attention and sell some cds. There's may 3-4 songs on the cd similar, and the rest are a bit more like what I normally listen to.
If you allow me an advice the scarf won't be easy to make with the armor collar (I had problems with my magos' hood). I second MajorTom's suggestion for a rebreather (Don't pretend it's out of your skills, cause we all know it's not!)
You could also try to do somethind like this:
Add plastic cables (like the one under the flamer's lighter) beneath the teeth, shop the face (just the face) from your sorcerer's head and remove the eyes carefully with your hobby knife (as if it was a mask -of course the result would be better with a BA sanguinary guard mask, but I don't think you have one where you are now )
Then place it
a) in his right hand
or
b) on his torso instead of the armor collar (like on the pic above).
OK, I know it might seem ambitious, but you have the skills for it.
What do you think?
I like the idea of using the little demon-imp for another model, it just doesn't work with this one. I like that scarf idea a lot.
In terms of making a gadget bag, I would look at pics of sci fi communication arrays, or even real life ones, all you really need is a IG com backpack, and then your own wires and such to alter it.
whalemusic360 wrote:Yeah, Bounce is not my favorite song on there, but they are just coming out of the gate, and needed something that would get peoples attention and sell some cds. There's may 3-4 songs on the cd similar, and the rest are a bit more like what I normally listen to.
Which is? More... Metal-y?
Hyenajoe wrote:If you allow me an advice the scarf won't be easy to make with the armor collar (I had problems with my magos' hood). I second MajorTom's suggestion for a rebreather (Don't pretend it's out of your skills, cause we all know it's not!)
You could also try to do somethind like this:
Add plastic cables (like the one under the flamer's lighter) beneath the teeth, shop the face (just the face) from your sorcerer's head and remove the eyes carefully with your hobby knife (as if it was a mask -of course the result would be better with a BA sanguinary guard mask, but I don't think you have one where you are now )
Then place it
a) in his right hand
or
b) on his torso instead of the armor collar (like on the pic above).
OK, I know it might seem ambitious, but you have the skills for it.
What do you think?
Ha, at first I hadn't got it since the pic was firewalled by the work browser... And, now that I see it, it's... Even worse!!! I don't know what it's supposed to be, to be honest (other than a stunning Rackham mini, that is)... So I'm not going to try such a thing, I'm afraid... Is the mask supposed to be the head, or not? (And, yeah, I have some SG masks lol...)
As for the scarf, yeah, probably too hard...
Sageheart wrote:I like the idea of using the little demon-imp for another model, it just doesn't work with this one. I like that scarf idea a lot.
In terms of making a gadget bag, I would look at pics of sci fi communication arrays, or even real life ones, all you really need is a IG com backpack, and then your own wires and such to alter it.
Sadly I didn't bring IG-scale bits with me in here... So I'll have to make do with the shotgun holster!
Yggdrasil wrote: I don't know what it's supposed to be, to be honest (other than a stunning Rackham mini, that is)... So I'm not going to try such a thing, I'm afraid... Is the mask supposed to be the head, or not? (And, yeah, I have some SG masks lol...)
As for the scarf, yeah, probably too hard...
sorry, re-reading my post I must admit it was not as clear as it was in my mind. The idea is to make a mask slipping from the head of the model to reveal the servo skull beneath.
The scarf is possible, but you'll have to remove half of the armor collar. Yet, it's not a bad idea, so if you feel it's going to look good this way, go for it!
It's a dirz Centaurus clone. Yeah, the skull is the face. They are tasty-evil. I for one really like the idea of using pretty-boy sg masks in this context. And, hey, you get to give a nod to other Frenchmen
Step one: Utter the sacred chant, and apply the blessed unguent to your box cutter. Break the purity seals in the correct order, and open the crate. Save all materials to be returned to your Tech Marine. Remember, "Waste is a weapon in the hands of your enemies."
Love the Oblationist Inquisitor. I think the scroll looks pretty cool. The backpack mutant looks a good but imo detracts from the Inquisitor, when attached to his back.
Sageheart wrote:maybe some scratch built crazy inquisitor weapon, the scroll can be the instructions
Weapon is already settled, I wanted a plain, Chaos-pattern bolter, as it is to me a staple of the 40k Universe...
And I'd rather see the Inquisitor brandishing a Powerful Mystical Scroll of Woe +2 than an Instruction Booklet lol...
Hyenajoe wrote: sorry, re-reading my post I must admit it was not as clear as it was in my mind. The idea is to make a mask slipping from the head of the model to reveal the servo skull beneath.
The scarf is possible, but you'll have to remove half of the armor collar. Yet, it's not a bad idea, so if you feel it's going to look good this way, go for it!
I'm not really fond of the mask idea, to be honest... I was rather looking for a ritual complete skin removal on the head, in addition to the etching of a brand on his forehead, than an intrigue-inspired, mask-wearing Inquisitor... But, I might try this evening, ok...
As for the scarf, that was actually more of an idea than something I could really achieve, due to the already high collar that will prevent me from accessing the neck part...
inmygravenimage wrote:It's a dirz Centaurus clone. Yeah, the skull is the face. They are tasty-evil. I for one really like the idea of using pretty-boy sg masks in this context. And, hey, you get to give a nod to other Frenchmen
I knew it was a Dirz thing, but I've never been into Confrontation enough to remember the "class" of the clone... Thanks for the memory refresh!
As for the Inquisitor, after he's taken the Oath of Oblation, pretty much damning himself, I'm not sure he would even bother about his "looks"... And prefer instead the awe his appearance would inspire, rather than just "unease"...
tipios wrote:I like the scarf idea, I remember that game from along time ago, you could switch between the spirit world and normal world to complete puzzels.
Yeah, one of the series pretty much disappointed me, but all the other ones were pretty fun!!! Poor Raziel...
Briancj wrote:Step one: Utter the sacred chant, and apply the blessed unguent to your box cutter. Break the purity seals in the correct order, and open the crate. Save all materials to be returned to your Tech Marine. Remember, "Waste is a weapon in the hands of your enemies."
Step two...
prime12357 wrote:'congratulations on your new Windows computer...'
@ Briancj, prime12357 : Will you feel sorry if I tell you I don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about?
PDH wrote:Love the Oblationist Inquisitor. I think the scroll looks pretty cool. The backpack mutant looks a good but imo detracts from the Inquisitor, when attached to his back.
Peter
Thanks Peter, I'm a bit sad because I thought it was a nice concept, but I have to agree with the general opinion in that it was "too much"... Thanks still!
Yggdrasil wrote: I'm not really fond of the mask idea, to be honest... I was rather looking for a ritual complete skin removal on the head, in addition to the etching of a brand on his forehead, than an intrigue-inspired, mask-wearing Inquisitor... But, I might try this evening, ok...
Don't do it if you don't like it, the only important thing with your conversion is that it's yours and it must please you before anything else. I was just making a suggestion so don't feel obliged to give it a try
On another point, I liked the backpack mutant. you could perhaps use him crawling at the feet of your inquisitor like some kind of familiar.
Yggdrasil wrote: I'm not really fond of the mask idea, to be honest... I was rather looking for a ritual complete skin removal on the head, in addition to the etching of a brand on his forehead, than an intrigue-inspired, mask-wearing Inquisitor... But, I might try this evening, ok...
Don't do it if you don't like it, the only important thing with your conversion is that it's yours and it must please you before anything else. I was just making a suggestion so don't feel obliged to give it a try
On another point, I liked the backpack mutant. you could perhaps use him crawling at the feet of your inquisitor like some kind of familiar.
Well I pretty much like the idea, but not for that one guy... That's another idea for his retinue though lol, so thanks!!!
As for the backpack mutant, I think it's pretty settled in my mind : he'll be carried by a larger mutant, a "twist hulk" or something... Damn, I wish I had brought my zombies & flagellant bits!!
Only have time for a small update, I have found the perfect piece to have my sitting Scout... well, sit down.
I've also begun work on the squad's Heavy Bolter, and I want to have it braced on its bipods (though I'm going to struggle to have everything on a small 25mm base), so here's the first custom job :
I've tried to add a handle that the operator should be able to use to wield it around, but I'm not convinced by the looks of it... I've put it on the side so that it doesn't prevent the gunner from aiming, but it still looks weird to me... Anyone feeling the same? Any idea?
I like the heavy-bolter's side handle and wire conversions. Probably my favorite weapon in the entire GW universe. (in its newest incarnation, not the over-the-shoulder-type).
However, I'm not convinced by the "aiming scope". For one thing, it doesn't look like a weapon one can bring eye-level unless you prop it against cover or a barricade, which would mean it's more of an M-2 or DShK heavy machine gun, with handles in the back. It kinda looks like a spray and pray weapon that Blaine would carry from Predator.
If you must have that aiming recticle, might I suggest something like a visor/lens/scope HUD thingy that attaches from the weapon to the user via wire and headpiece?
Other than that, the weapon is looking rightly like sexy chocolate.
I like the heavy bolter. Handel position is OK, but cut of the small trigger finger loop at the bottom of it, thts whats making it look funny, it just looks like a rifel hadle stuck on backwards ATM. The front scope looks odd too, could you try a sniper scope?
HF Izanagi wrote:I like the heavy-bolter's side handle and wire conversions. Probably my favorite weapon in the entire GW universe. (in its newest incarnation, not the over-the-shoulder-type).
I like the new SM Heavy Bolters a lot too, with their huge ammo belts... As for shoulder-weapons, they all looked like crap to me (except the Missile Launcher of course), whereas their "newer" incarnations look more dynamic & practical!
HF Izanagi wrote:However, I'm not convinced by the "aiming scope". For one thing, it doesn't look like a weapon one can bring eye-level unless you prop it against cover or a barricade, which would mean it's more of an M-2 or DShK heavy machine gun, with handles in the back. It kinda looks like a spray and pray weapon that Blaine would carry from Predator.
If you must have that aiming recticle, might I suggest something like a visor/lens/scope HUD thingy that attaches from the weapon to the user via wire and headpiece?
Actually I am using the Heavy Bolter from the Land Speeder Storm kit, and it IS supposed to be pintle-mounted (on the small part where I tugged the wire in, underneath the weapon). And I intend on modelling it as if the Scout was monitoring an area from behind cover, so that's why I also added the bipod...
In addition to this, I think Scouts have to worry a lot more about the weight of what they're carrying, as they don't have a power armour to lift the load; hence, they'd be much more "savvy" with their ammunition, and would probable even try to AIM at what they're shooting, instead of "sprayin' and prayin' "
So for this one I plan to have his head "level" with the aiming sights, which I think would work.... Or definitely not?
HF Izanagi wrote:Other than that, the weapon is looking rightly like sexy chocolate.
Sageheart wrote:i love that heavy bolter, looks fine by me
Thanks!
PDH wrote:I meant say this morning....but I had to go to work
It is a great concept but didn't quite work out....Give the inquisitor a 40mm base and I think the mutant would look good standing next to him.
Have you considered filing the Roman numerals? It would change the look of the servo skull, make it more unique?
I think a pistol (of some description) would look better than a boltgun in his right hand, due to the size.
The scroll looks great.... but since you mentioned a severed head from the grey knights sprue I cant get it out of my head.
Look forward to seeing more. At least the sorcerer didn't take too long to arrive
Peter
You're the second one suggesting that I should file those numbers on the skull... So even though I had planned to keep it as is, I'll probably just follow your advice, & fill them up with GS! It might change the "servo-skull' feel, after all...
Moreover, I have some minor GW work to do with both this one and the Scouts (mostly fingers kept out of the trigger), so it won't take long to do that!
I have been burrowing through my small bits box, but couldn't find any pistol suitable... And I'm pretty much like Grey_Death, I think you can never have enough bolters! If I hadn't used the SM commander's plasma pistol on the Scout Sergeant, I would've probably given it to the Inquisitor, but...
Well, see below...
As for the severed Daemonette head, it was nice too, but :
1. the hand was power armoured, so a bit huge (even after filing it down, I tried)
2. it didn't match the firearm in his right hand (yeah, a bolter round could probably split a head from the torso, but not cleanly)
3. the scroll looked too good lol... especially with a few "upgrade" (see below, 2nd Ed.)
As for the shipping time... Yeah, 2 weeks isn't that bad, really...
tipios wrote:I like the heavy bolter. Handel position is OK, but cut of the small trigger finger loop at the bottom of it, thts whats making it look funny, it just looks like a rifel hadle stuck on backwards ATM. The front scope looks odd too, could you try a sniper scope?
Front scope is an Ork scope, to keep it in line with my "infiltrated within an Ork-infested area", and also because although I think Scouts would actually aim their weapons, Heavy Bolters probably don't need that much accuracy lol... Hence an aimpoint at the back, backed up by an Ork Kros'hair...
As for updates, I've been tidying up the side handle a bit (no pic, sorry), and eventually glued the rest of the accessories on the Inquisitor.
Here are the pics (oh, voting allowed for once!) :
This is the back's view : holstered shotgun with added ammo, and sheathed sorcerer sword....
New things are :
- bolter in right arm (does it look that big?)
- sword & shotgun at the back
- small details on the scroll
- added a duo of grenades on the left side of the belt (done after pics were taken)
Yet to do :
- try something out with the skull / jaw
- GS a right forethinger along the bolter and fill the Roman IV on forehead
- think about a base
- think about a paint scheme...
Well, I know of a perfect song of the day, but it is my understanding that it is reviled universally, or close to that. Need a memory jog? Today's Friday.
Nice work on the Oblationist inquisitor so far, though the aquila on the scroll looks... heavy on scroll. I'd personally just go more for a painted aquila. Otherwise, I like it thus far, and will like it more once the head has less servo skull number 4 and more death mask/ face. Maybe, if your skills and supplies are up to the task, a ragged eye in place of an empty socket?
Stay frosty (that's a real military term, right?). Kaesar II
SHouldn't be up hope i don't end up just late not babbling, but here goes.
I really like the aiming concept, it really makes that scope make a lot more sense, What type of cover is he having, I think you could put in a lot of interesting stuff there, posters come to mind. Out of coursity I have noticed a tendency in these models to look like a much more militaristic team, like a trained unit rather than a bunch of guys running with swords. I like that, is it something you plan out, just second nature to you, or what? If you do plan it, do you ever think of creating a unit that is somewhat in a scene themselves, maybe a team preparing to break into a building, idk, and show the various roles each character would do. Again hope this isn't late night babbling, was just something that came to mind. Really great models here.
Love that inquisitor Yggs. The bolter looks great and the gear on his back really helps sell the realism of an independent guy, out on his own, doin' what he feels needs to be done. (aw shucks)
@prototype - it's not clear what you mean by saying "why aren't the bullets coming out" do you mean the angle that the hanging down?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oooops! forgot to say that he model is coming together real nice, the shotgun is very mean looking!! are you going to cut off the scope at the bottom of the skull before you add the scarf, or just go over it!!!
Lord Kaesar II wrote:Well, I know of a perfect song of the day, but it is my understanding that it is reviled universally, or close to that. Need a memory jog? Today's Friday.
Nice work on the Oblationist inquisitor so far, though the aquila on the scroll looks... heavy on scroll. I'd personally just go more for a painted aquila. Otherwise, I like it thus far, and will like it more once the head has less servo skull number 4 and more death mask/ face. Maybe, if your skills and supplies are up to the task, a ragged eye in place of an empty socket?
Stay frosty (that's a real military term, right?). Kaesar II
I didn't get the Friday "reminder", sadly... I must be missing some US/UK references, I'm afraid...
As for the aquila, I plan to paint it as wax, so I think it could work... Oh, and I had already said I had added details to avoid screwing up the thing, due to my being unable to freeahand anything!!! So don't get me started on this, it's frustrating enough!!
As for the face... Still haven't found any good solution... If only I had taken a few flagellant heads, that would've been waaaaaaaay simpler... Your eye suggestion is a nice one though! But I think it's the same problem : my GS skills won't allow me to do such a tiny thing!
Sageheart wrote:SHouldn't be up hope i don't end up just late not babbling, but here goes.
I really like the aiming concept, it really makes that scope make a lot more sense, What type of cover is he having, I think you could put in a lot of interesting stuff there, posters come to mind. Out of coursity I have noticed a tendency in these models to look like a much more militaristic team, like a trained unit rather than a bunch of guys running with swords. I like that, is it something you plan out, just second nature to you, or what? If you do plan it, do you ever think of creating a unit that is somewhat in a scene themselves, maybe a team preparing to break into a building, idk, and show the various roles each character would do. Again hope this isn't late night babbling, was just something that came to mintd. Really great models here.
Hey, Elton John, nice to hear... A bit different to was I post usually, but I've heard that song a zillion times when I was a kid... My mum was a huge fan (oh, and he came to my backwater hometown a few weeks ago )!!
As for the concept, I'm not sure I do it consciously, but I do want my models to look like something else than a "bunch of guys running with swords", that's for sure! I put a lot of effort into each and every one of them, so it takes a real lot of time, but I hope it's worth it... Well, it is to me, at least!
As for the current squad, I was indeed trying to have each of them "tell a story", but I didn't think for the whole team, just model by model... The Sergeant is jumping off a structure, gun blazing ; the shotgun guy has spotted / heard something so is telling his squadmates to slow down / the sniper dude will be featured as if trying to look around the cover he's hiding behind ; bolter & heavy bolter guys are monitoring the area and taking their aim.
Having a "squad theme" could be interesting too!
PDH wrote:I'm surprised the bolter looks just fine.
Lol... I told you bolters were just plain awesome lol!
Hyenajoe wrote:The bolter looks really fine and the shotgun holster in the back as well, it gives this frightening inquisitor an improved touch of badassery
How are you going to hide the chaos star ont his belt?
Erh... I'm not going to hide it, nor the Chaos eye hanging from it. His/her armour is a corrupted piece of equipment he/she probably scavenged from a heretic cult of sort, so that's part of it!
Thanks for the shotgun impression lol...
Gitsplitta wrote:Love that inquisitor Yggs. The bolter looks great and the gear on his back really helps sell the realism of an independent guy, out on his own, doin' what he feels needs to be done. (aw shucks)
You know what I'm saying...
I don't know what is the (aw shucks) thing, but I did get the rest, and that was what I was aiming at, so thanks! I don't know why, but a shotgun always gives the feeling of "independant", "rogue", "radical", etc... Maybe you US guys could explain that to us?
prototype_X wrote:wheres the shotgun from?
also, why arent the bullets coming out, as the mag affected by gravity? seems a little off. love the model though!
tipios wrote:@prototype - it's not clear what you mean by saying "why aren't the bullets coming out" do you mean the angle that the hanging down?
Oooops! forgot to say that he model is coming together real nice, the shotgun is very mean looking!! are you going to cut off the scope at the bottom of the skull before you add the scarf, or just go over it!!!
prototype_X wrote:sorry, that is exactly what i ment tipios
Actually, I still don't get what you guys are talking about... Is it the added ammo belt on the shotgun holster? It's supposed to be "stitched / weaved / nailed" into the holster, so I don't think that is a problem?
As for the bit in itself, prototype_X, it comes from the Scout bikes kit... Which is a nifty box, with a lot and a lot of gear & bitz in it!
And, for the scope, I might cut it indeed... But I won't try to model a scarf, for the risk is too great to screw everything up!
As I said, a flagellant head would've saved the day.... I guess it's too late anyway!
Asylum_Inmate wrote:Thats one dangerous looking inquisitor, I like it
Thanks!
Worked a bit on the guys today, finished basing them, and worked on the fifth squadmate, the one with the heavy bolter... Pics should come by tomorrow!!! (of the HB gunner at least... He's still headless as I haven't found a good enough head, that could replace a clone-scout one.... but I only have SM heads in here apart from the scout ones, so that's a bit hard!!!
Thank you all for your nice suggestions & comments, that's really helping me to sort things out!
Hey yggs, I think prototype and tipios are referring to the belted ammo coming out of the bolt gun. They think the angle at which they hang is off. At least, that's how I understood their posts.
As for the shotgun thing, I think that lone, rogue esque idea spawns from the history of it. Namely it's use for hunting, which can be done alone, and it's use in the late 1800's from the "Wild West." Movies also perpetuate the idea that a man with a shotgun can do anything. Like this:
Moltar wrote:Hey yggs, I think prototype and tipios are referring to the belted ammo coming out of the bolt gun. They think the angle at which they hang is off. At least, that's how I understood their posts.
As for the shotgun thing, I think that lone, rogue esque idea spawns from the history of it. Namely it's use for hunting, which can be done alone, and it's use in the late 1800's from the "Wild West." Movies also perpetuate the idea that a man with a shotgun can do anything.
Nice reminder from Evil Dead lol...
Ok, I get the ammo belt thing : that might be true, but I'm not going to sculpt a whole bolt belt lol!!! I prefer to think that the pose is a quite dynamic one, as if trying to extend both arms! In such a case, the inertia of the ammo belt could well make them in that position, IMHO...
Briancj wrote:"The last time I read this scroll, I lost my entire FACE. Just think about what it is about to do to YOU."
Gorgeous 'bash, Yggs!
Lol, that was close to what I was thinking to be honest...
I don't have a problem with the ammo belt, I just wanted to make sure what prototype ment, because it was not clear in the first post and yes if he is raising his arm the belt would be straight down
Don't forget that one of the old west American legends (Doc Holiday) used a shot gun at the Gunfight as the O.K. Corral.
I think part of the mystique is what a shotgun does... really makes a mess of things. If you carry a shotgun for personal defense (as opposed to hunting birds) it suggests a certain disregard for you fellow man.
tipios wrote: I don't have a problem with the ammo belt, I just wanted to make sure what prototype ment, because it was not clear in the first post and yes if he is raising his arm the belt would be straight down
Ok, great!!
Gitsplitta wrote:Don't forget that one of the old west American legends (Doc Holiday) used a shot gut at the Gunfight as the O.K. Chorale.
I think part of the mystique is what a shotgun does... really makes a mess of things. If you carry a shotgun for personal defense (as opposed to hunting birds) it suggests a certain disregard for you fellow man.
Yeah, I am really missing some cultural references here... You're probably right regarding the second sentence too... That's a mythical weapon, and you just don't wanna mess with a dude that has a shotgun as a sidearm!
Doesn't the Ork tyre look weird? I had no other idea for a cover, that would go that far from the base, without being too ridiculous (oh, and if it could remind us of the Orky environment, all the better!)?
My only suggestion would be to cut off the tire at an angle, as if it was sticking up from being partially buried in the dirt. Given the pose and position, I suspect you'd need about 1/3rd of the tire, cut off at a 60 degree angle, give or take.
Gitsplitta wrote:I think it looks fine Yggs... huge, but fine.
Yeah, I had no other idea for a suitable cover lol...
Briancj wrote:My only suggestion would be to cut off the tire at an angle, as if it was sticking up from being partially buried in the dirt. Given the pose and position, I suspect you'd need about 1/3rd of the tire, cut off at a 60 degree angle, give or take.
I had thought about that too Brian, but as you can see the bipod's already resting at the far end of the tyre / tire (spelling?), and I reluctantly had to add a few tiles at the back for the Scout to put his feet on... On top of that, I've already been struggling to get everything on the same level for gluing everything together (bipod on ti... ty... wheel (!), feet on base), it would've been a nightmare is the cover was half buried at an angle!
Now for sageheart, a quick composition picture, depicting the squad in action!
Sorry for the bad lighting, it was late at night and only had a lamp!
You may notice the bases are done, I just need to add a few bits here & there, which is taking me forever : adding pistol grips in the empty holsters, a few pouches & grenades, sculpting a few forefingers, etc...
They look great together... really nicely done. Did you have them in mind for a squad-based painting competition or are you just over-achieving as usual?
Gitsplitta wrote:It's "tire". :-) They look great together... really nicely done. Did you have them in mind for a squad-based painting competition or are you just over-achieving as usual?
Ha ha, you must be kidding uh... Is there any chance of a painting competition out there lol? I'm just trying to give them a "soul", that is all... But I'll take that as a nice compliment of course!!!
@ Gitsplitta, Sageheart, tipios, monkeytroll : Thanks! As for the tyre / tire struggle, I think it must be the same kind of argument as the armour / armor argument, between the UK & US traditionalists lol... So ok, since I'm writing the British "Armour", I guess I'll write the other word "Tyre", but no offence to you guys, uh?
Vitruvian XVII wrote:The scouts look awesome together!! The attention to the posing and basing makes for a super-realistic group, you should be proud bud
Love the Inquisitor as well, something so grimdark about him (?), it just fits perfectly into the backdrop.
Thanks Vitruvian... As usual it's taking me forever for a few bunch of guys, but I like to convince myself they will be at least quite original... What does "backdrop" mean, btw?
As for today's updates... There is an update!!! (Though small, I'll give you that...)
Scouts :I've worked a bit on the Heavy Bolter Gunner, greenstuffing his forefinger & the lens of the scope...
And put together another Scout, a signals specialist :
So, I am now cursing all of you guys who yelled at the "clone" Scout heads : I've been struggling to find replacement heads, and now I feel that guy has an oversized head! Am I the only one seeing that, or is it just an impression?
Pimp My Inquisitor :
After looking back (again) at my Inquisitor, and having a bit of GS left from the three forefingers I had sculpted, I thought over the "scarf" idea, and then came to mind.... "What the hell?!?"
So I had a go at stuffing the collar with small GS blobs, and here is the result :
I'm... not so sure it is better, but I don't know how to improve the whole thing... Still, I don't think it is worse, so at least I'm not sad...
What do you guys think? Better, worse, just different?
Scarf is the nuts! Scout head is too big... *all* of the scout heads made by GW are too big. Take a look at other manufacturers for options. They're out there. That's why my scout bikes have the heads that they do.
Great job on the scarf!!! Yggs! looks spot on. I look forward to seeing the glow effect on the scouts scanner, you can make it light up his massive head
grey_death wrote:Really dig the scarf. It's a great detail that isn't used enough around the 40k-verse imo.
Thanks for stopping by, g_d! I agree with you... I could probably have done it better, if I had had some skill, but it's not that bad!
Gitsplitta wrote:Scarf is the nuts! Scout head is too big... *all* of the scout heads made by GW are too big. Take a look at other manufacturers for options.
Well, yeah.... The usual thing, ordering, waiting for a long time, bla bla... lol
Vitruvian XVII wrote:By 'backdrop' i meant the 40k universe.
That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure I had understood, thanks!
tipios wrote:Great job on the scarf!!! Yggs! looks spot on. I look forward to seeing the glow effect on the scouts scanner, you can make it light up his massive head I still think the Pneu is great
Teasing me uh? (oh and pneu(FR)=tire(US)=tyre(UK) lol)
Hyenajoe wrote:Well done with the scarf! It's really good looking. Your inquisitor is one of my favorite conversion in the Pimp my Sorcerer contest
I'm not a fan of the BA head of the scout...it makes me think of a 40K version of... ++++ RECORDS EXPUNGED ++++ (and you should be glad I don't suggest a song of the day )
Please... How dare you post such a pic im MY thread?!?
Gitsplitta wrote:Is that a man or a woman?
Don't you worry about that... He's a famous (in France) singer from the... 70's? 80's? Don't remember, but... I don't care!
@ Moltar, Sageheart & friends : Ok, I get it. That head is too big. So, since I don't have any other than SM ones in here, please let me use the Scout heads without moaning
Minor update of the day : Begun work on the base for the Inquisitor. Here's a first shot : I'll be trying to picture some daemonic tentacles sprouting out from underneath the tile floor, just in front of the Inquisitor... I'll be adding broken tiles & a pile of sand around the tentacles... Any comment before I go further? Is that a bit too much, maybe? Should I just stay true to my "usual" basing : sand / small rocks / tiles / rusted fence? I'm still wondering...
Oh, and thanks for the comments on that scarf, it seems I didn't screw it that much after all
Oh, btw, Hyenajoe, since you so gently offered to link a song for us, please go ahead!
endtransmission wrote:The base is looking great and will accompany the inquisitor nicely. Is he/she/it trying to summon or banish the tentacled beast?
Kudos to you, good Sire... Actually that's what I had in mind : I want the "audience" to wonder about whether he's summoning a Daemon to his side ( Heretic!!! ) or uttering words of power to ward it off!!!
Great scout squad!! Makes me want to buy a box to do similar work... but all my money is already called out for this month... (so sayeth the Iron Claw, aka the wife)
Also, great look for the Inq- I think the GS scarf really works on him! I'm lookin' forward to the paint job!
I love the base idea. Is there a way we can get a shot of the inquisitor standing on it (even if it's just you holding him there with a pair of tweezers or something)? Would like to see how he relates physically to the tentacles.
HF Izanagi wrote:Great scout squad!! Makes me want to buy a box to do similar work... but all my money is already called out for this month... (so sayeth the Iron Claw, aka the wife)
Also, great look for the Inq- I think the GS scarf really works on him! I'm lookin' forward to the paint job!
-Remi
As for the Scouts, please keep in myind that all those dynamic poses were made possible thanks to the Land Speeder Storm & Bike kits!! Otherwise they'd just be your average scout squad...
But thanks!
As for the Inquisitor being painted... Well... Still the same old problem... What colours?
Gitsplitta wrote:I love the base idea. Is there a way we can get a shot of the inquisitor standing on it (even if it's just you holding him there with a pair of tweezers or something)? Would like to see how he relates physically to the tentacles.
Moltar wrote:I agree with Gits. Can we get a mock up shot of him? And you know he's totally summoning it.
Ok, I'll try & do that - though not until tomorrow!
@ Moltar : that's your point. Even Radical Inquisitor do banish Daemons sometimes, you know?
It's pretty much all I could do with a few bits I had from a friend's Battlewagon kit leftovers... Feel free to steal the concept though!!
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umm... what scout are you talking about...? Is this one of those hidden 
Kidding uh, I can more than understand people not liking the kind of music I listen to... As I am pretty impervious to all that's close to RnB / Rap / bad pop / etc...
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