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Arthur de Tollendal


Formaldegyde Mortis, Undertacker


Wulkhan. Lord of Salamanders


Comissar Kain


Ragnar Blackmane, Wolf Lord


[size=18]Anka machinegunner


[b][u]Young hero Malchish-Kibalchish



Serdak, Wolfen Duelist



Briolin fon Tifftick, gobelin coiffeur.


Julian ScareCrow, gigolo duelist


STALKER Snork

Hooo-ly !!

Those are incredible! I need more time to go over them, to admire and drool, but then I'll write more.

Love the commissar !

These for sale?

Yeah where can I buy these? only websites i've found are in russian so i dont understand stuff like the shipping options

Awesomesauce! These models are fantastic!

Very nice I'd be very interested in Kra-Tor Wulkhan, Dragon Warrior

Nice.Link to a site for sale?

These Items are fantastic!

cadwallon.com (right up corner - english version), ludikbazar.com

Well I wont be buying anything from cadwallon 195.00 USD for Forgefather Vulkan unpainted.

Its a shame Ludik dont stock the mini as there prices are more normal.

these are really cool

Robbietobbie wrote:Yeah where can I buy these? only websites i've found are in russian so i dont understand stuff like the shipping options

If you're referring to this site then there is an option for English at the top, next to the Russian flag.

GiraffeX wrote:Well I wont be buying anything from cadwallon 195.00 USD for Forgefather Vulkan unpainted.

Its a shame Ludik dont stock the mini as there prices are more normal.

They're Ukrainian hryvnia... 195UAH is about £15 in UK money.

Grimtuff wrote:

Robbietobbie wrote:Yeah where can I buy these? only websites i've found are in russian so i dont understand stuff like the shipping options

If you're referring to this site then there is an option for English at the top, next to the Russian flag.

thats a different site but sort of the same problem. I cant find how payment and delivery would work. The page about that is in Russian I think

That`s right 195 uah = 18 euro
Try this site
http://hobbyworld.com.ua/
here you can pay by PayPal.

Real nice stuff. I especially like not-Cain, if only he could be mounted on a 25 mm base. Ciaphas Cain uses a laspistol though .

Its kinda sad, a fat kid riding a fat guy. I think i just have to have that model. I love these models, Is there an online store? Can't i order more than one? Do you have a web site with all the models? maybe a link?

TiB wrote:Real nice stuff. I especially like not-Cain, if only he could be mounted on a 25 mm base. Ciaphas Cain uses a laspistol though .

ah but on the book covers he is shown useing a bolt pistol as well as looking beefed up and hard as nails !! thats properganda for you :]



also maybe worth asking a mod to move this to news and rumours ...

tried ordering through hobbyworld.com.au and when i came to shipping this is what it says:
Курьер "Ночной экспресс"
Рекомендуем ! Вы можете получить заказ в офисе курьера. Строк доставки 1-4 дня, цена 8-30 грн.
Курьер "Новая Почта"
Вы можете получить заказ в офисе курьера. Строк доставки 1-4 дня, цена 8-30 грн
Курьер "Автолюкс"
Вы можете получить заказ в офисе курьера. Строк доставки 1-4 дня, цена 13-50 грн
Укрпочта
Доставка Укрпочтой (только по Украине), строк 5-14 дней, цена 18-45 грн.
Self-delivery
Ви можете получить заказ в нашем магазине по адресу: Львов, Дорошенка 60.

this is the google translation:
Courier "Nochnoy Express"
Recommended! You can receive as an order in the Courier office. 1.4 The term of delivery date, price 8-30 USD.
Courier "New Mail"
You can receive as an order in the Courier office. 1.4 The term of delivery date, price 8-30 UAH
Courier "Autolux"
You can receive as an order in the Courier office. 1.4 The term of delivery date, price 13-50 UAH
Ukrpochta
Delivery Ukrpochtoy (only in Ukraine), the period 5-14 days, the price 18-45 USD.
Self-delivery
You can order Get In our shop at: Lions, Doroshenko 60.

so i have no clue which one to pick, i tried the first one to see what happens and it jumps to confirmation, nothing about method of payment

You just have to send e-mail with your order, they will contact you and explain everything.
We are looking for reseller in US, so soon you could get our minis without any problems.

Well there’s no translation of the terms and conditions on either site. One also seems to be selling recast show only forge world models as well.

so not only GW knockoffs and recasts but no "insured" way to pay and a website that could be saying "we charge you extra £500 and send you a pic of the model instead of the real thing!

sounds great where do i send my money ?

nice !

CURNOW wrote:so not only GW knockoffs and recasts but no "insured" way to pay and a website that could be saying "we charge you extra £500 and send you a pic of the model instead of the real thing! sounds great where do i send my money ?

Dear Curnow, please don`t send your money anywhere, keep it.
Becouse terrible Russians will plunder you, and only specifically you, for mad 15 dollars and will send nothing except a photo on phone!
Or please permit us to send a figure free of charge with a bonus in 100 dollars for you are a clever, ingenious and provident guy!
It is so difficult to write a few words? Beter to be indignant and doing nothing?

Without offenses. Sorry for bad english.

My point is that if your trying to sell/advertise your product on a english speaking forum then its generally expected that the target demographic off your customer will be able to understand the website that your selling off eg have it setout in the lingua franca of the region and have a easy and safe way to order the product .

As for the nockoff products I've got a great new business plan ! In gona order one each of your products ,recast them and then sell them from a uk based site for a reduced rate ? How dose that sound ?

At least you have'nt resorted to the wild four letter worded rants that you have directed at potential customers on other forums !

So summing up love your original sculpts someone there has real talent . Not really that botherd by your 40k style ones. Recasts....well thats down to individual choice.......
Business sense and customer service is indefensible.

CURNOW wrote:My point is that if your trying to sell/advertise your product on a english speaking forum then its generally expected that the target demographic off your customer will be able to understand the website that your selling off eg have it setout in the lingua franca of the region and have a easy and safe way to order the product .

This.

In a language I cannot understand and no option for a secure payment from something like Paypal (even that certain Chinese website had that(!)) Then i'll give it a pass until one, the other or both happens. I had this website bookmarked for a while with intent to buy a few of the sculpts, but now that's been put on the back burner due to having a seemingly hippy dippy payment system.

Sorry for such difficulties with buying our miniatures.
Just started to sculpt and don`t sell minis.
We carry on negotiations with the American reseller and hope soon we could provide you safe and clear underastended method to get them on your shelves.
Please pardon my bad english.

I have tried to order on cadwallon.com but havent gotten a reply yet. ill let you know how it goes

It says Vulkan costs $200 USD is this a typo or are you really expecting to get this?

Apparently it's in Ukrainian currency, not USD.

Every price I see has rph in front of it which I am guessing isn't USD

Legendarion wrote:Sorry for such difficulties with buying our miniatures.
Just started to sculpt and don`t sell minis.
We carry on negotiations with the American reseller and hope soon we could provide you safe and clear underastended method to get them on your shelves.
Please pardon my bad english.

I wish you all the best success with your future endeavors then. Your models look fantastic, and I'd love to see them sold in a reliable and reasonable method.

OK so I just placed an order for the Vulkan, see how we go.

I've been in contact with someone from cadwallon.com and have now payed through paypal

If they ever make a not dark angels primarch, consider it sold..very nice work btw.

Who's not the Dark Angles Primarch ?

everyone except Lion El'Jonson.

LOL,

Update: Placed an order two days ago no word as yet.

Look wonderfull, seems like there is some confusion as to how to buy?

I should be getting an email this week with the tracking number

Just letting you all know that I have just received my not-vulkan and he is really awesome! excellent sculpt.

I'd be interested in seeing a painting tutorial for the Vulkan mini.

Tutorials in on their way with our web site.
It starts in november.

That last oneis sooo creepy! I like it

That might be the best Vulkan mini I've ever seen.

Yeah, I'm ready to by the dragon warrior. Now lead me in the right direction.

use Google

New miniature work in progress. It`s coming late october

Second Memder of wolkar Clan of a dark side of the moon.
Sharkh the Brave. Right hand of war-chief.

We conceived to make eight figures of members of the clan.
The history of a clan and its participants will be available to reading soon.

Wow these are fantastic

Really loving the Rackham vibe. May consider picking some of these up in the future.

Moving to News & Rumors, as this thread seems more advertising new products than showcasing pictures only of completed, painted miniatures.

I too have ordered a Vulcan-like hero. So I'll follow-up with my thoughts and the progress of the project.
10:00 a.m. PDT on Saturday November 3rd.

Added on 5 November 2012 – Got contacted on Saturday Afternoon and an email saying they were shipping by Sunday afternoon, So We'll see how many days from the 5th of November.

Some very cool models Legendarion. Looking forward to more.

You might want to think of a better name for the model I think Games Workshop will complain if you call it Forgefather Vulkan.

Legendary smiths, metal-workers, etc.: Adranus (Adranos), Tvastar, Ilmarinen, Gofannon, Goibhniu, Tubal-cain. For a Space marine I like Tvastar, Tubal-cain and Ilmarinen. But those are just suggestions. Good luck and I look forward to my figure.

English language References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adranus — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvastar — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilmarinen — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gofannon — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goibhniu — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal-cain

 TiB wrote:
everyone except Lion El'Jonson.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Dark Angles' primarch is the lesser known Degree El'Compass.

Was just notified my order is shipped and given a tracking number. So I will comment again when it arrives.

Painted Julian ScareCrow

Legendarions super sarcastic reply with the Russians will plunder you line omg I love this guy. Whatta Psycho.... I hope they get reliable. The grave digger goblin from cadwallon that was never sculpted Dope! The Wolfen duelist Dope! I hope theses guy bring back the entire confrontation line in spirit.
I gotta soft spot for crazy Slavs. Some naysayer got told to keep his money.... lol...
Sorry that was super typical in your face Russian F-off... this guys gotta be on the level.

Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.

That was jolly good fun, thank you. Serious obsession with fellatio though, poster might want to look into that.

Deary me,

that's one obsessed bunny, and not very imaginative with it's language either

The 'not-vulkan' I got from legendarion through cadwallon was great quality though. Had no trouble whatsoever when dealing with them but YMMV ofcourse

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.

Well that was a fun little read! Not sure where that person learnt to speak English but if seems the teacher had some anger problems...

 Commander Cain wrote:

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.

Well that was a fun little read! Not sure where that person learnt to speak English but if seems the teacher had some anger problems...

Oh my god that might be the funniest thread I have ever read. Instant classic.

They have some amazing minis over there. I think I am putting an order soon.

But does anyone know what is this model: http://www.cadwallon.com/en/shop/forgeworld/space-marines-fw/space-marine-captain-scale-detail? I mean, was it ever released by Forgeworld? It looks really sexy!

They did a bunch of busts and statuettes at that size a rather long time ago - this might be one. Not sure if this would be one, and not sure mods like an obvious recast posted

...at that price you'd almost get one for use as an actually good-looking sm statue

Bolognesus wrote:
They did a bunch of busts and statuettes at that size a rather long time ago - this might be one. Not sure if this would be one, and not sure mods like an obvious recast posted

...at that price you'd almost get one for use as an actually good-looking sm statue

Well, it's definitely not a FW recast. FW has never made such a model -I checked it. It had rang a bell the first time I saw it, but now I am sure that this is a model of the captain from the dreadful Ultramarines movie. It's this guy: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-cGYk4DdZI/TbznWX73dlI/AAAAAAAAADM/MIt-Y5_wtV0/s640/sm23.jpg Captain Severus, which as far as I know was never put in production.

Still, a reasonably priced model considering its size!

lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?

Probably.because this thread is about legendarions models and not the site that sells them

That`s right. Who is recaster? Watch your tongue man!
I`m just sculpting.
Who sell it, why and for how much is not bothering me.

CURNOW wrote:lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?

Robbietobbie wrote:Probably.because this thread is about legendarions models and not the site that sells them

CURNOW wrote:lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?

Legendarion wrote:That`s right. Who is recaster? Watch your tongue man!
I`m just sculpting.
Who sell it, why and for how much is not bothering me.

right but most of the ones buy legendarion that are being sold on that site {and only that site} are ether copys of gw IP or a rip-off off Edouard Guitons concept sketches done for Rackham.

...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?

Bolognesus wrote:
...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?

Inspiration is fine,

but you should be paying if you are making a mini right out of somebody's art (as Bombshell Babe's Patrick Keith is paying Matt Dixon to make minis based on his Dixon's Vixens cards)
it all depends how close they are going to look

That would have to be pretty much a 100% identical, but 3d representation (with many artwork styles more or less impossible actually).

I'm fine with you disliking that and wouldn't even comment on that, but Curnow made it sound as if the rackham inspired mini's were crossing some legal boundary (context!).

Frankly I'm sick and tired of white knights everywhere railing against what should be the essence of progress and innovation in creative industries so I'll certainly take the time to point out bullgak like that where it rears it's despicable head.

Wow! What amazing figures! And the range of well executed but starkly different styles is fantastic!

Bolognesus wrote:


Frankly I'm sick and tired of white knights everywhere railing against what should be the essence of progress and innovation in creative industries

I'm curious to know what do you consider to be the essence of progress in creative industries...

Building on the collected previous pieces of individual expression **just as those all have** - adding sometimes more, sometimes less innovation or variety - but still, offering another alternative to build on for the next guy. Sometimes more innovative than at other times - but thats the way creative stuff has always worked. As it should.

Bolognesus wrote:
...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?

really its" AOK" is it ? i can understand if it was just influenced by the style of the artists work but just takeing the 2d artwork and shamlesly stealing the concept for your own 3d work is not " AOK" .



also as for ledgendarion saying that he is just a sculpter and has nothing to do with the shop smells fishy as the name of the shop is also the name of a game expansion from the origonal rackham game ? the IP for which is owned by cyanide games {who are aware of the IP infringement and are seaking legal advice acording to there forum http://www.confrontation-thegame.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=6538&sid=93334b97c3f3c0e1a150e7fa6b728c5c#p6538 }

seems strange that a sculpter who has no problem with making money from other peoples work wouldnt have anything to do with a shop makeing money from other peoples work {ie recast forgeworld etc} and thats not even getting started on the space marine sculpts.


so i know im not a legal expert but just from this you can see that these {maybe others i havnt found } are figures copyed from other artists work {whom im sure havnt licenced them ?m} so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...

Bolognesus wrote:
Building on the collected previous pieces of individual expression **just as those all have** - adding sometimes more, sometimes less innovation or variety - but still, offering another alternative to build on for the next guy. Sometimes more innovative than at other times - but thats the way creative stuff has always worked. As it should.

I can understand what you are trying to say... but not all creative stuff is born from building on top of others works... I can see it as a training exercise... to me there is a clear difference between original and copy and the former is the essence of progress IMO.

As for the topic in hand... I dont care about the issues others have with the IP and I'm more concerned about the sculpting techniques etc... the way I see it there are some nice sculpts in there.

 CURNOW wrote:
so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...

first of all, no need to shout - capitalization is generally restricted to the first letter of one's name. to get to the point: yes, by all means. I think the copyright protections I mentioned are more than adequate, and if my works are good enough, I'll earn some cash off of it on it's own merit. If someone else uses it for inspriation - or even closely emulates it - fine, seems my skills are appreciated and since I'm not stark raving insane, I don't feel the need to hoard any of my creations beyond the exclusive rights to production of the exact item (which means, no drawing with minor differences to something I drew, no sculpt virtually identical to one of mine - you know, the *actual* state of IP law; certainly for something which is primarily NOT considered *art* but just a commercial product. ) and the money I earn off of that.

if an artist, or a company wants to make the money for the models off of the look of that sketch for themselves they should make the model **themselves** which would also give quite enhanced protection against virtually identical sculpts.
This is GOOD because think about it - either way - that sculpt will, if demand is sufficient, hit the market as soon as possible. it encourages options, it encourages progress, it encourages **active** use of IP, instead of fething well just (I*&*() SITTING on it as many companies do nowadays and get away with, under already WAY too restrictive IP law.

Now one point I'll grant you (though certainly nothing to do with your frankly quite insane opinion the former) is the one concerning that name. In part at least, that is. see, that's blatantly outright copying of someone else's work. I **generally** don't like that.
At least, with a few exceptions. One of these is that one should not be able to claim protection on anything overly generic. now "legendarion" is not something you'll find in a dictionary, that's true (but then that would have been anything but a grey area, haha).
It is, or at least appears to me to be, a contraction of "legend" and the "-ion" or even "-arion" suffix used in many, many fantasy works to denote geographical areas; often, but certainly not always, nations, or to represent "factions" or the in-setting equivalent thereof.
I'm of two minds as to how generic this makes the name. Would using the name "legendarion" for a nation, faction, or geographical area in a fantasy novel be IP infringement? Well, that one's easy: this is a *resounding* NO. It's too generic, a little too "logical" for use in fantasy settings (and because of it's clear origins, not sufficiently unique and therefore a much lesser risk of consumer confusion - a VERY imporant criterium in this particular area (actually not so much in the drawings v. sculpts area, before you start to argue something which AFAIK [law student, though not anywhere near IP specializing] does not quite apply).
Okay, with that out of the way, there's the question of the use for *this* website.
now the use of those sculpts this sculptor made is, in itself, permissible (bear with me here, please - I know you'll be foaming at the mouth by now, but please do try ). However, because of previous imagery established by Rackham - now owned by Cyanide games if I understand correctly? - the use of this name compounds the risk of confusion as to who exactly is producing/selling this markedly without offering clear or convincing (let alone both ) justification (now if seller had, himself, also used this name in a setting for which he sold miniatures previously, the issue would turn yet another couple of shades of grey ) for doing so.
Basically the only realistic reason which can reasonably assumed for him to have used this name, and not, say "mytharion" (which actually sounds a damn sight better IMO, and will be a name my DnD players will learn to hate sooner rather than later now ) or something else is to profit off of someone else's brand - which is NOT permissible.
I therefore (without taking the time to dive into this further to see if I missed some BIG piece of justification) agree with you that use of that name is over the line, and should cease forthwith.
to pretend it's an issue even remotely like the inspiration/replication dispute you seem to so creatively invent one novel legal theory after another in in whichever way it suits you at that moment though, is laughable.

Yep perfectly entitled to your opinion but i think you mite find that you are in the minority on that one. ...

Cant quite see your reasoning behind my argument of replication being laughable. .. The original art was commissioned by and paid for by one company as 2d concept for a 3d work and just because it isn't currently in production dosent mean that another party has the legal right nor the moral right to copy that work exactly!
your whole argument seems to be based on the idea that if you want to copy somthing all you have to do is change it slightly and your good to go? But the problem is that he has reproduced the sculpts as exact copys of the original copy righted work (it's not like it's a piece of equipment that is designed on it's use and he was forced to have his design similar to another. .he deliberately chose to use another persons work as his! )

I really do hope that no one ever claims reward for any work you do or profits out of your hard work and skill without you having any say in the matter.

a three-dimensional object is by definition NOT an exact copy of a twodimensional sketch.
a detailed, technical drawing done from multiple perspectives can certainly be sufficiently detailed but that's because it's not really intended to be a 2d 'thing' on its own, it's intrinsically a *description* of that 3d object
as far as me being in a minority on the 2d drawing / 3d object thing, with a variation of the above included that includes most of the western professional legal community.

your whole fething premise is that he's "copying".
sorry, legally speaking, he is not. I don't care how much you like to scream and whine that he is; this is currently how this crap works. go check out ~100ish pages of chapterhouse case discussion in dakka discussions, with pretty much everyone working in the legal sector saying pretty much this, and a bunch of folks starting half their posts with "I might not have any legal training whatsoever, but *obviously*..." is arguing the other side - your part, here.

If you think the law should be different, argue *that*.
I agree, actually. I actually think many IP protection laws (not so much in this area) are way too broad, too protective, and too long in duration of said protection.
I'm sure we'll disagree there, also. Honestly, I don't really care much.

Hmm, funny. I'm reading your comment back now, and when discarding your *completely* bogus "copying" premise, there's really only this bit left (aside from calling you a fething idiot, but I believe I might have alluded to that previously )

I really do hope that no one ever claims reward for any work you do or profits out of your hard work and skill without you having any say in the matter.

Hi there. I see now you've just banged your head on a keyboard a bit without even bothering to read my last post - ***the one you're responding to***

Bolognesus wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...

first of all, no need to shout - capitalization is generally restricted to the first letter of one's name. to get to the point: yes, by all means. I think the copyright protections I mentioned are more than adequate, and if my works are good enough, I'll earn some cash off of it on it's own merit. If someone else uses it for inspriation - or even closely emulates it - fine, seems my skills are appreciated and since I'm not stark raving insane, I don't feel the need to hoard any of my creations beyond the exclusive rights to production of the exact item (which means, no drawing with minor differences to something I drew, no sculpt virtually identical to one of mine - you know, the *actual* state of IP law; certainly for something which is primarily NOT considered *art* but just a commercial product. ) and the money I earn off of that.

But then again, actually taking the time to read would not really seem in your character anyway :|

That's some nice handywork on the sculpts, i'm going to have to look into how to get my gimpy mitts on some of it.
(also, can we please have the fething IPR debacles in the discussion section -- with lawyery types or anyone who's at the very least has read MEP Engström's copyright reform book -- and not in the fething news section, it gets awfully old)

 xcasex wrote:
That's some nice handywork on the sculpts, i'm going to have to look into how to get my gimpy mitts on some of it.
(also, can we please have the fething IPR debacles in the discussion section -- with lawyery types or anyone who's at the very least has read MEP Engström's copyright reform book -- and not in the fething news section, it gets awfully old)

They're probably just trying to get the thread shut down.

I do find some of the sculpts interesting to say the least, or amusing, can't decide.

Wow "fething idiot". ...nice. ...you seem very good at taking qrotes out of context. ..the you being in the minority thing i was talking about clearly wasnt about the description of whether a 2d object is a exact copy of a 3d object but on your whole opinion that profiting from other people work is moraly right.

Again with out "screaming and whining" that you seem to thing im doinh. .the sculpts that he has produced are specificly derived from someone elses work of which he has no legal right to use in a commercial venture. They were not acidently produced in parallel they were produced after the fact and copyed from concept sketches produced to aid the sculpt of figures by the copy right holder. And then sold by a company useing a well known name also heldunder copy right by the copying partys in an attempt to fool customers that they were buying the offical line of figures. .....amazing how i managed to type all that while "banging my head on the keyboard "

Yay a news and rumors thread!
http://xkcd.com/386/

CURNOW wrote:

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...

That's some good PI work there Curnow, glad i saw that post. Was actually gonna say i like the faun mini.

It's pretty shocking really. This is on a whole 'nuther level to the chapter house thing. If Edourd Guiton/didier Poli did take action they would have a very strong case, as what you forget is that these disputes are settled on a case by case basis there are no hard and fast rules. Chapterhouse was more obviously just 'Inspired', these are just blatant ripoffs.

 CURNOW wrote:
amazing how i managed to type all that while "banging my head on the keyboard "

Well, it would explain the atrocious use of the English language.

No that would be the Dyslexia manifesting as a difficulty with phonological awareness, phonological decoding, orthographic coding,
and the typing on a phone aswell i expect ...

 CURNOW wrote:
.... he has no legal right to use in a commercial venture...

And again, proving:

 CURNOW wrote:
...I know im not a legal expert...

As for the banging your head on the keyboard, that referred in it's entirety to the content, not any grammar/spelling/stylistic issues. Feth, it's a wargaming forum for crying out loud, I'm not expecting great literary performance anyway.

while i am happy that i can finally get a sculpt of the Wolfen and the Goblin Undertaker, this guy really has overstepped the bounds on the Rackham IP...
when Legendarian posted the first couple sculpts on CMON he was told not to post them there, as CMON is distributing the Legends resins, as well as being in on the production for a reissue of the game...
if the sculpts had not crossed the line, he would have been cool..
they certainly didn't have a problem with the "not-Primarchs", especially as they carry Kabuki's versions

so basically, the guys trying to revive Rackham are pretty pissed off about this, and rightly so...
i'll still buy 'em when i get a chance, but when the C&D arrives i won't be surprised...

cheers
jah

Jah- Who is trying to revive Rackham? That would be very welcome... my friend (Wehrkind on here) has many of their models and they are incredible. It had to take some really bad business decisions (I'm pretty much aware of them, just saying) to go under with sculpts THAT good.

About Legendarion's stuff- yeah, I'll pass. I am ALL in favor of derivative works, but making exact models of other artist's sketches is not something I'm a fan of... voting with my wallet, of course, I'm sure he doesn't care what I think.

 RiTides wrote:
Jah- Who is trying to revive Rackham? That would be very welcome... my friend (Wehrkind on here) has many of their models and they are incredible. It had to take some really bad business decisions (I'm pretty much aware of them, just saying) to go under with sculpts THAT good.

About Legendarion's stuff- yeah, I'll pass. I am ALL in favor of derivative works, but making exact models of other artist's sketches is not something I'm a fan of... voting with my wallet, of course, I'm sure he doesn't care what I think.

http://www.cyanide-studio.com/miniatures/confrontation/ they just need to sort out the IP infringement first .

In fact three quarters of fighters for intellectual property, secretly buy the counterfeit goods.

The offer for artists!!!
(Lasts till 15 of decembre. All requests sent before 15.12.12 will taken to attention)
Any 2 of L miniatures free for those who will paint one of them and show pics of it on his blog, CMON or other thematic sites.
All minis is yours anyway. I don't insist on the indication of a name of the painter. You can show anonymously.
Send pm please for more information.

100% of argument about IP is irrelevant to a news and rumors thread.

Please go away armchair lawyers unless you have something to add.

Lord Inquisitor. Work in progress

New miniature from Legendarion.
Mr.Pumpkins, dark solicitor


There is also Chistmas
Santa Pumpkins

Awesome stuff! RiTides is right, I have a HUGE soft spot for the old Rackham look, and these snuggle right up against it

I really like the idea for the business model too; Jin and I might have to come up with some good stuff to toss your way

That lord Inquisitor looks great!

He looks greater than you hold him in your hands. He`s more detailed and has lots of yammies.
Here is our last work - SNORK

How big is this many you chaps made:

Legendarion wrote:
He looks greater than you hold him in your hands. He`s more detailed and has lots of yammies.
Here is our last work - SNORK

that little sucker will make a perfect cultist, when will it be released?

Hey Legendarion: if you made a non-crappy looking not-Mephiston I know plenty if folks that would be interested.

Snork, in particular, looks really good. One which I will most likely order as soon as I can.

Is Snork separate from the base, or are some body parts attached to it?

I have to say, I like this guys stuff!

Vulkan about 45-47 mm. Biger then gw terminator. Similar to fw Angron.
Snork is separate from the base, no body parts are attached to it.
He is 54 mm. Will be released in January

Sharkh the Brave

First attempt to quikpaint 3D grown Lord Inquisitor.
Miniature made ​​with the permission of the owner of IP rights.
Not so good yet...

Gobelin Wanderer, Froo la Zoik and his war-courser ogre Thooppa

Awesome!

 jmurph wrote:
100% of argument about IP is irrelevant to a news and rumors thread.

Please go away armchair lawyers unless you have something to add.

I don't care what you got to say about armchair nothing pal. This guy took art from confrontation artist not belonging to him in anyway sculpted it without changing Jack and is selling it...

its not ok on any level... after finding out about these guys and their association with Fire industrys who illegally recast confrontation and sell them out of Hong Kong... no... I like confrontation but this is just wrong.

Armchair defense attorney.....

Was wondering what L was up to considering how long its been since the last release....
Does the PB artwork justice that's for sure. Very nice and will no doubt pick this up as well when available.

Very characterful, well done. Thought it was a mierce miniature when I saw the dogs bits , then realized it couldn't be because the ogres bits were covered by a large droopy sack.

Now that's a flavorful model! Is it an original design this time? If so, quite tempting

 RiTides wrote:
Now that's a flavorful model! Is it an original design this time? If so, quite tempting

No, it's Paul Bonner.

some nice stuff, and east of the border IP gets lost in translation

Yea, you`re right, it`s Bonner art. So what?
I did`t copy his art, I made sculpt inspired by his art. Do you see the difference?

Legendarion wrote:
Yea, you`re right, it`s Bonner art. So what?
I did`t copy his art, I made sculpt inspired by his art. Do you see the difference?

You're good bro. I love it. Still waiting on a better version of our favorite Blood Angels Librarian ;-)

Legendarion wrote:
Yea, you`re right, it`s Bonner art. So what?
I did`t copy his art, I made sculpt inspired by his art. Do you see the difference?

That's stretching the definition of "inspiration" pretty far there, friend. No, yours is not a copy in the traditional sense of the word, but you have pantographed Bonner's artwork into a three-dimensional sculpture pretty much exactly, adding nothing of your own. Whether it's illegal is not up to my feeble judgement, but what it is is unseemly, distasteful and morally repugnant.

Those sculpts are amazing, but legally it's indeed a bit iffy. Maybe you could contact the owners of the IP and work for them :-) Cause you are really talented.

Wow, I don't want to get in to a morale debate about the intellectual property, but those sculpts are quite amazing.

How large is the Ragnar, err, I mean Wulfhednar model?

Ulfheadnar is 35 mm high, a bit higher than spacemarine.

 devilution wrote:
Those sculpts are amazing, but legally it's indeed a bit iffy. Maybe you could contact the owners of the IP and work for them :-) Cause you are really talented.

That, or make it at least a slight derivative, etc. I'd love to get some of your sculpts but I'm just not interested in straight copies of artwork... with your talent it seems you could choose to do anything you wanted. Perhaps combining 2 pieces of art into a single sculpture- something as simple as that would set your work apart as unique/derivative, rather than "copies" of others' art.

I agree like I've said before the sculpting on the non gw stuff is amazeing and im sure that once you get up a decent portfolio of non Ip iffy stuff loads of companys will be falling over themselves to hire you. Then you wont need to do the gw/rakham stuff to make money.

Some AMAZING sculpts here!
You are truly an artist.

I sense alot of the hate is jealousy.

Now to the Ip criers. How does he copy 3d models from a painting? Seriously, did the artist paint the back as well, because from that pic i don't see any back artwork, and his models not flat in the back, so...


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 CURNOW wrote:
I agree like I've said before the sculpting on the non gw stuff is amazeing and im sure that once you get up a decent portfolio of non Ip iffy stuff loads of companys will be falling over themselves to hire you. Then you wont need to do the gw/rakham stuff to make money.

Please post me to HIS rampant recasting of GW models. (beside the Carnifex head i assume)

 xcasex wrote:
That's some nice handywork on the sculpts, i'm going to have to look into how to get my gimpy mitts on some of it.
(also, can we please have the fething IPR debacles in the discussion section -- with lawyery types or anyone who's at the very least has read MEP Engström's copyright reform book -- and not in the fething news section, it gets awfully old)

+1
Amazing sculpts.
If I were an artist who had inspired him into making a 3D sculpt of something I had drawn I would be honored.

I'd expect even the best artist (and he clearly is an artist) to licence my art, not just copy it into another medium

there is loads of art where all rights have expired, if he couldn't afford (or didn't want) to pay for a concept artists time he should look to that for inspiration

 fire4effekt wrote:
Some AMAZING sculpts here!
You are truly an artist.

I sense alot of the hate is jealousy.

Now to the Ip criers. How does he copy 3d models from a painting? Seriously, did the artist paint the back as well, because from that pic i don't see any back artwork, and his models not flat in the back, so...


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 CURNOW wrote:
I agree like I've said before the sculpting on the non gw stuff is amazeing and im sure that once you get up a decent portfolio of non Ip iffy stuff loads of companys will be falling over themselves to hire you. Then you wont need to do the gw/rakham stuff to make money.

Please post me to HIS rampant recasting of GW models. (beside the Carnifex head i assume)

Can't be botherd. ..just follow the multiple links in the thread to them and his retail operation of recasts.

Can't be bothered? You must be so important and busy.

Oh those, that he clearly didnt say he sculpted or that the company selling his models isn't him.

/beginsarcasm

Yeah i know exactly what you're talking about now CURNOW.

/endsarcasm

 devilution wrote:
Those sculpts are amazing, but legally it's indeed a bit iffy. Maybe you could contact the owners of the IP and work for them :-) Cause you are really talented.

More than a bit iffy but because their both working out of "red" countries China and Russia m sure this young man has 0 interstate in becoming legitimate. Why? Its easier to just steal from anyone. Forget contract negotiations. Just steal it. Got a nice piece of art.... steal that too.

The sad part is this Guy does have talent but his potential will be stunted by his illegal shenanigans and partnership with a piracy loving untouchable hing Kong based company

0 interstate, eh? Is that the one that runs from Kiev to Chicago?

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Great sculpt. And two thumbs up for using these beautiful picture to make mini. IP shouldn't even exist

I am wondering what is next on the workbench? like to see more work in progress pics.

Ignore the IP crusaders!

@Jehan - every time I get the opportunity I'm badgering him for a better looking "not-Mephiston". :-)

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I am wondering what is next on the workbench? like to see more work in progress pics.

Ignore the IP crusaders!

If it was your I.P. being stolen or your art you wouldn't say that but... whatever.

 cincydooley wrote:
0 interstate, eh? Is that the one that runs from Kiev to Chicago?

Spelling jokes… really… or insults, due to auto correct… whatever man. I still love you.


Here how about I show you new concepts that Aarklash Chronicles will produce soon… Pays to know artist…I get to see alot of concepts early.

New “Confrontation” ninja goblins and Ophidians in the pipeline. Not sure if the thief sculptor is doing them or someone else. Not sure if it’s purely fire industries or a combo deal but everything Legendarion does is sold on Aarklash chronicles… who is owned by Fire industries and sells recast along with stolen concepts and pirated I.P.s…
But the crazy part is these guys could probably just get the license and go legit…

IRIRIV is brilliant and I tried to warn him about the sketchiness but they pay… if the Ophidians were named snake men who’d care? I’d be first in line to buy this stuff up if it was legit… but I’m afraid I’ll have my money stolen… and at the end of the day Fire Industries, Legendarion and Aarklash Chronicles are one in the same…

Honestly at the end of the day I wish the whole thing was legit… I love and miss confrontation. But how can you trust a Hong Kong recast company with a if we do send it on time or ever "so what" policy it's not legit from top to bottom. anyway

Here’s the rumor part and for the people hating on the people with I.P. issues… this >guy< with I.P. issues just added more true rumor info to this post than any other poster.

Does fire industries own any of the original moulds? I know a lot of them got split up when they were sold. I've not ever heard of them before and I know from talking to some folks involved with Phoenix edition at GenCon last year that they definitely didn't get all of the moulds.

Has anyone actually ordered from Cadwallon? Any ability to confirm/deny that (what appear to be) recasts actually are or aren't?

Honestly, I wouldn't dare to give them my cc info. :/

I ordered from cadwallon. Had no issues whatsoever, i ordered with paypal though. I got the vulcan mini (which is really impressive, outstanding detail) and some melta guns which were recasts but of great quality

I just got my Ragnar model.

Simply put, it's amazing. It is now one of my favorite models.

Fan freaking tastic.

 cincydooley wrote:
I just got my Ragnar model.

Simply put, it's amazing. It is now one of my favorite models.

Fan freaking tastic.

Would you be able to take a snap of it next to a regular Space Marine? I know it was stated that he's 35mm tall, but I would like to get an idea of his size/bulk next to a regular marine.

Man that Commisar is an awesome looking model, just don't say his full name with a strong cockney accent.....

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As you can see, he fits in incredibly well. He just happens to be a lot more detailed.

deadairis wrote:
Has anyone actually ordered from Cadwallon? Any ability to confirm/deny that (what appear to be) recasts actually are or aren't?

I have ordered from Cadwallon. I did a test order for some of the Confrontation figs. The figures were recasts. The quality of them was incredible though. When put side by side with authentic figure my entire gaming group was unable to spot which one was the recast. It should be noted that the Confrontation figures are in a different metal. They are case in white metal that gives them a little extra durability.
I had no trouble with the order and payed with paypal. I am not sure if i will do another order with them as I like authentic figs and have found some great deals. But with that said for me Cadwallon did an incredible job and I would have no concerns ordering with them again.

Mr.Pumpkins is finally finished. Two weeks of painting.

Wow doesn't seem to express how awesome that is. The pants alone do the model justice.

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As you can see, he fits in incredibly well. He just happens to be a lot more detailed.

Thanks for the pic, just what I was looking for. He does look pretty damned good and fits in well. Even if GW release a Ragnar model I'd be surprised if it looks that good.

Hi all,

Wow I have been reading this site off and on for about 2 years, never posted, well that changed today.

I have been looking at the www.cadwallon.com miniatures and really liked the Female Commissar, so I picked up the courage, plus the 4% paypal surcharge and couple other models.

My friends have been debating to buy from this site for a while, so in a way its kind of a test, I want to see how long delivery times are, what quality the castes are and payment options. If they are good I'll encourage my friends to buy (and they will lol) if not I will not be leaving a friendly review.

So order was placed - lets see what happens.

 kiwinugget wrote:
Hi all,

Wow I have been reading this site off and on for about 2 years, never posted, well that changed today.

I have been looking at the www.cadwallon.com miniatures and really liked the Female Commissar, so I picked up the courage, plus the 4% paypal surcharge and couple other models.

My friends have been debating to buy from this site for a while, so in a way its kind of a test, I want to see how long delivery times are, what quality the castes are and payment options. If they are good I'll encourage my friends to buy (and they will lol) if not I will not be leaving a friendly review.

So order was placed - lets see what happens.

How'd it go? I've actually had two orders with them so far, great experience. Quick emails back, quick shipping, high quality.

Have no fear to order at cadwallon.com. So far we are selling Legendarion miniatures on this site and Ludikbazar but soon we`ll open our own online store.
Sergeant of Rose Legion.

Her deadliest foe will be the dreaded Cee'n'Dee from the Geedub nebula.

Looks fantastic, though. What's the price going to be?

The cadwallon.com site has been fantastic for me with all of my Legendarion orders. Maybe 2 weeks shipping time.

Legendarion wrote:
Have no fear to order at cadwallon.com. So far we are selling Legendarion miniatures on this site and Ludikbazar but soon we`ll open our own online store.
Sergeant of Rose Legion.

Are those ... Power Armor Nipples? Power Nipples?

I'll chime in that the clear IP infringement involved in this is pretty staggering. I think I've even spotted a few GW bits in the casts themselves.

I will say, though, Vulkan, Cain, and Ragnar look phenomenal.

 cincydooley wrote:
The cadwallon.com site has been fantastic for me with all of my Legendarion orders. Maybe 2 weeks shipping time.

Glad to see this, since I am also thinking about ordering from them.

Can anyone vouch for the quality of the resin casts? Of any products on the website...

-C6

kind of put off by the power armor nipples, rest looks good

 catharsix wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
The cadwallon.com site has been fantastic for me with all of my Legendarion orders. Maybe 2 weeks shipping time.

Glad to see this, since I am also thinking about ordering from them.

Can anyone vouch for the quality of the resin casts? Of any products on the website...

-C6

Also fantastic. I have the Ragnar and the Inquisitor and they look really great. The resin feels identical to the resin used by Kromlech. Solid quality.

Here's a look at Ragnar compared to GW metal and plastic wolves.

The vulcan I got was really good quality as well

the Sergeant of Rose Legion.
Looks great, size also 35 mm or 28mm?

The Vulkan proxy is stunning. And the price is well, hard to beat for something of that quality. Has me really thinking about taking the plunge.

As big as he looks though, I think I'd actually run him as Tu'Shan and come up with some rules for him.

Yes, you are right, it is a deadly power nipple, one is more than enough. Both nipples is overkill
Sergeant is 40mm high. No GW parts used to sculpt it.
No violations, the sculpture looks familiar, no more than Kabuki or Scibor`s minis.

I'm really interested in the goblin wanderer on the Cadwallon webstore, but there's no price there. Does anyone know if it is even released yet, and what is the cost of it?

It is ready but not released yet. In few weeks we`ll cast it. Price won`t be high instead quality will be highest.

Hi All,

Well I was very impressed with the replies I got from the owner, I think the payment option should be improved as most sites have instant paypal payment. Not wait for 3 days for it to go through. That said maybe its different there, I don't know.

Its been 3weeks and still no delivery, doesn't mean its not coming but I thought I should put a reply in since it has been a while.

Will let you know when I get it.

I think I'll make the suggestion to use a courier or some other international postage service - but you never know

hey,
I finally got my miniatures and I am very happy with the quality, i will be suggesting a more expensive postal service as 4-5weeks is a bit long but not excessive.

I'll be putting another order in shortly.

You are welcome! Soon we'll announce new project and all of our customers will get one free miniatures from this project.
For now I`ll glad to show you Shiko, Dark Juster who is always accompanies Mr.Pumpkins

I love the commissar and the blade of the wolf, but I don't give it long before GW are all over them like the IP hoarding so and so's that they are....

Get em quick if you want them is all I am saying.

As if they could do anything against someone dealing from Russia...

Does GW's IP protection only work in the UK even though GW are a global company?

 rohansoldier wrote:
I love the commissar and the blade of the wolf, but I don't give it long before GW are all over them like the IP hoarding so and so's that they are....

Get em quick if you want them is all I am saying.

As opposed to the last year or so that they have been available? I have had a hankering for that not-Vulkan for quite a long time, just been put off by the online stores you need to get them through.

 rohansoldier wrote:
Does GW's IP protection only work in the UK even though GW are a global company?

Well.. Russia has never really shown any form of interest in the protection of "foreign" IP.
In this sense it is a bit like China. It's been tollerated to the extreme.

I don't see any chance for GW to fight this + I don't even see an IP infringement to be honest.

That looks awesome, i am hesitant to order from Russia, any retailers in Japan or Singapore?

Sorry. Not yet. But you could order it from Franch or Belgian stores this late summer.

You really have nothing to fear ordering from the online shop. Very professional. Fast shipping. All aces in my book.

 cincydooley wrote:
You really have nothing to fear ordering from the online shop. Very professional. Fast shipping. All aces in my book.

no credit card no paypal, my choices are limited

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
You really have nothing to fear ordering from the online shop. Very professional. Fast shipping. All aces in my book.

no credit card no paypal, my choices are limited

Out of curiosity, how does one pay for anything online without those?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
You really have nothing to fear ordering from the online shop. Very professional. Fast shipping. All aces in my book.

no credit card no paypal, my choices are limited

Out of curiosity, how does one pay for anything online without those?

I have a good relation with the shop owner where i buy my stuff (but he is also hesitant to order from Russia)

Apparently the answer to that question then is "You don't!"

Makes staying in budget easier though, I'd imagine!

Russians don't take easy ways We don`t have paypal at the moment but one day we will!
Do not hesitate, place an order, we will send you mini at its best!

Love this mini. She's great.

Also...... not-Mephiston

Shiko is a dark jester who always accompanying Mr.Pumpkins in he's discreditable practices.

Very funny

Kallira, assassin of Dark Side of the Moon Clan
Trained by fearsome Death Eaters, she received the wings of courage from owls of Night Claws Clan.
Beautiful, cold, silent and deadly, Kallira is the embodiment of the death itself. If you see her - pray, this is the last that you see.
New character for wolkar Clan of Dark Side of the Moon.

This is very pretty. Is your Goblin rider for sale yet - the one based of Bonner's art work?

I'd like to get both of these in a single go.

You could get them both. They are ready.
In august we`re going to open Legendarion site.

More Ledendarion stuff (no need for 2 threads on new releases from L!):

Legendarion wrote:
Hello everyone!

I am glad to inform you that we are sculpting ChibiPrimS - new grotesque miniatures in chibi style, inspired by WH40K universe.
Let me show you the first five sketches that is sculpt in progress right now.
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Love the commisar!

Legendarion wrote:
Kallira, assassin of Dark Side of the Moon Clan

I will order the HELL out of this model. Your 40K stuff doesn't do much for me, but this...this is beautiful. Excellent work.

--B.

The chibi art is interesting, and as it is at least an adaptation of existing works (rather than a duplication) I find it a much more appealing idea. Looking forward to seeing the sculpts of them!

So when will the chibis be on sale, and will they be resin?

I need them.

Must..Have..Chibi

ChibiPrims will be on sale in august. They are made of resin. 32-45 mm high, depending on pose.
There are some more pics

Any word on the pricing? Or perhaps any discounted bundles?

I may well be tempted by a Sanguinuis Chibi, depending on the artwork.

Where the heck is Alpha and his twin brother Omega?!?

 Alpharius wrote:
Where the heck is Alpha and his twin brother Omega?!?

Nobody knows, I thought that was the point....

Is Cadwallon.com down? I'd like to get some of these miniatures, but the site appears out.

gohkm wrote:
Is Cadwallon.com down? I'd like to get some of these miniatures, but the site appears out.

They're on holiday until Aug 7

Ah. Thank you.

I noticed they don't have any FW stuff on their site anymore as well.

So when is your lord inquisitor coming out??

i wanna buy the hell out of that gak so quickly!

Inquisitor coming late august.

LEM of 'chibiPrims'

Good Lord, that is awesome...

HA HA HA HA!!!! That is just .... so ... CUTE!

Oh, my, goodness - that is fantastic! OK, I'm completely sold on this ChibiPrims.

Are you going to release them as a pack? I'm going to have to buy this entire lot now.

I though the artwork was a bit dodgy but the concept was sound.

That model is just damn awesome!

That model is full of cute and win The wolf pup taking a peak from under his cloak is such a wonderful detail

Dang it - my no new purchases rule has just gone out the window! I am definitely getting a couple. The chibi's are awesome fun and that jackal headed thing is going to be mine!!!

As to the worries about ordering from Russia - that is what Visa is for! I am also sure that they aren't going to go to the effort of all that sculpting to then not mail people their mini's. Stupid Resin Forge effect.


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Eldercaveman wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Where the heck is Alpha and his twin brother Omega?!?

Nobody knows, I thought that was the point....

OK - that was rather amusing.

Once all the Not-Primarchs are available - I will buy them all!

Nicely done!

Hey Legendarion

When will you be coming out with your Lord Inquisitor Model??

I really want that model so bad

Is he wearing a double dreaded wolf? That looks brilliant, I hope it's large enough to actually field as a primarch just o annoy true hard legion lovers. I could see m fielding hat against a dark angels player, or against a pace wolf player just to make him waste time shooting at it.

We decided to rebuild Inquisitor. I hope in two weeks you`ll see result.

Legendarion wrote:
We decided to rebuild Inquisitor. I hope in two weeks you`ll see result.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE - Cannot wait to buy it.... I mean.... look at the screen and contemplate buying such a model... and then buying it....

I have just purchased a Kallira, and I look forward to her arrival in...well, probably a few weeks from now.

Any other chibbymarchs in progress?

Second one coming in few days.

KONNY of chibiPrimes

Goodness. Gracious. Me.

That is awesome! Mate, you must put together a ChibiMarch Pack. I will buy them all!

Same here - once they're all done, I'm going to want all 19 or, if you're bold, 21.

Of course, 2 of them might just be armored and cloaked question marks, but still!

I went them all

I like them both, can't wait to see the rest and the whole set together!

Yup, put me down for a box.

when can I buy them? Take my money

Thank you! We`ll start sell chibiPrimes in september.

VULK of "chibiPrimes"

Zomg. Awesome.

Not sure the "gorilla" look of the pose is the best choice ever but it is a rather spiffin' mini aside from that

Awesome, but oh so mean to that cute little croc. :(

Ha! These are great, I particularly like Konny.

None crocodile while filming was hurt.
On closer miniature inspection, you may notice a hole for inflation.

I received my Kallira a few days ago, and I just have to say: Wow.

First, they shipped fast. Second, it was packed well for transit across the Atlantic.

The cast itself is beautiful. Crisp and clear, no flash, and the mold lines are almost invisible. It will take next to no time to clean and prep this miniature for painting.

The details are amazing, and the parts go together logically and easily. It is a well-designed sculpt.

Thanks, folks!

--Brian

Love that Leman Russ!

Legendarion wrote:
Hello everyone!

I am glad to inform you that we are sculpting ChibiPrimS - new grotesque miniatures in chibi style, inspired by WH40K universe.
Let me show you the first five sketches that is sculpt in progress right now.
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Need western (or japanese) stockist!

$12.50 a model is a steal for the cute little nonsense

So where is that Lord Inquisitor Model

EL` - chibi Lion El`Johnson

MY god those are adorable. I think its giving me diabetes.

Dorns going to be making lego forts right?

MORTY of chibiPrimes

Sorry. Alpharius-Omegon is temporarily unavailable. We working on new concept.

thats awesome!

...Ooo-kaay, that's a bit of a stretch.
Funky concept, though

That's the first one I've seen that I didn't like.

And for obvious reasons, it has killed my interest in the entire line!

Do not take hasty decisions. We have revised sketch and decided to make another. You are right, something not right in this concept. Soon we'll show to you new one.

This is good news...

I will await the revised version!

How about two figures staring at each other through the frame of one of hose old free standing mirrors. That way you get both alpha and omegon individually, but the false mirror is there too disguise the scene.

 Theophony wrote:
How about two figures staring at each other through the frame of one of hose old free standing mirrors. That way you get both alpha and omegon individually, but the false mirror is there too disguise the scene.

Now THAT is an AWESOME idea!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
How about two figures staring at each other through the frame of one of hose old free standing mirrors. That way you get both alpha and omegon individually, but the false mirror is there too disguise the scene.

Now THAT is an AWESOME idea!

Well since I have your attention, I was wondering if you ever thought there might be a third or triplet to the twins. I mean the hydra has always had three heads

I don't think that, but that would be a pretty hilarious and yet simultaneously awesome option as well - both here AND in the official Fluff!

Legendarion wrote:
Do not take hasty decisions. We have revised sketch and decided to make another. You are right, something not right in this concept. Soon we'll show to you new one.

don't change it, I liked it - especially the expressions on their face. I am looking forward to this line being released and then looking forward to see what some talnet painters and converters do with it for fun!!!

When do you think the line will be released and will you be doing them as a bulk purchase?

Legendarion wrote:
Do not take hasty decisions. We have revised sketch and decided to make another. You are right, something not right in this concept. Soon we'll show to you new one.

Nah, I'd stay stick with your feelings here and... do change.

 Alpharius wrote:

Legendarion wrote:
Do not take hasty decisions. We have revised sketch and decided to make another. You are right, something not right in this concept. Soon we'll show to you new one.

Nah, I'd stay stick with your feelings here and... do change.

I like it. Time for a poll to decide?

Do both, can always be explained as this is alpharius with one of his children(legionnaires), and this is alpharius with another of his children.

Specifically, what feels off about the initial concept? I don't think it's that naff. I'm holding off on buying these until there's a bulk deal, but generally, I think it's a great, albeit comical, take on GW's Grimdark Primarchs.

It looks a bit off, and pales in comparison to the "Mirror" idea that Theophony had.

In addition to that, the Artist Himself agrees, and maybe he'll tell us what he doesn't like about it too?

Originally I didn't like the idea of them doing horseback, but then I started thinking about it. The alpha legion was always putting on a horse and pony show , no one knows what side their on, I don't think they know either. Like conspiracy theorists that go too far and wind up driving themselves nuts.

'Horse and pony'?

You mean 'Dog and Pony'?

And the last thing the Legion was doing was ever putting on shows - behind the scenes is where it is at!

Yes, but either they are putting on a show for Horus, or for the emperor, or for the Cabal. Sorry, guess I'm getting off topic here.

"When do you think the line will be released and will you be doing them as a bulk purchase?"

We are going to sculpt these minis till we all 20 Prims and Imperor himself will be done. We thinking about sets of three or five pieces.
But not sure when it will be avaliable.

Also we think that it would be logical to sculpt Inqusitor, Techpriest, Chapter master, Sister of Battle or even Demon Prince in this style. Why not?
So line will change direction but will not end soon.
In Alfarius-Omegon sketch we did not like static posture and plenty of free space under the sheets which we can use to create something nontrivial.

GRON of 'chibiPrimes'
chibi Angron

thats sexy!

Shame on you, Angron, stabbing a poor, hapless, teddy bear! This sculpt is just too funny for words - I like it!

HOR of 'chibiPrimes'
chibi Horus

Must be thanksgiving, because horus just plucked a turkey

Good idea - juicy thanksgiving Sanguinius
Thanks!

Now permit me to show you something different! My old idea became reality.
Within the framework of fan-made thematic army, we sculpted an infantry platoon of Soviet Space Marines "Blacksmiths of Victory "
Going to made whole Legion with transport, fast and heavy support units.

They need furry hats. And all the power weapons must be hammers and sickles. THESE ARE MY UNREASONABLE DEMANDS!

sold on everything except the helmet , otherwise I can see them painted white as part of the Ku Klux Klan of 40K

Honestly, those heads remind me of heresy kisses
shove em in drop pods for CHOCOLATE RAIN~

Thanks for comments! These hat is called "budionovka" authentic red army hat. It can`t be other. Furry hat is for winter only.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0

the hats are excellently done, just not my thin. but there are sooooo many great parts on the kit from the shotgun, to the ammo drums held into the backpack and the shoulderpad of the man is fabulous.

^ did you just use the word 'fabulous' ? ..... Oh dear Theo's busted out the pink feather boa again! *sigh*

 nerdfest09 wrote:
^ did you just use the word 'fabulous' ? ..... Oh dear Theo's busted out the pink feather boa again! *sigh*

What do you mean again....it never goes away. It's what happens with two young daughters and a wife that suggests to them that they paint my toenails

These are true scale marines

And they are awesome.

If you have a few 'generic' looking components to mix in (legs, chest, helmet and should pads) I think you would sell a TON of these!

Seriously. Make a set without the Soviet bling and you will have a customer...

~Eric

Thank you for suggestion. Now have a look at something different
WIP gobelin-pirate

 Alpharius wrote:
And they are awesome.

If you have a few 'generic' looking components to mix in (legs, chest, helmet and should pads) I think you would sell a TON of these!

I want to add my voice to this. If you made general, non-specific "Interstellar Marines" you would sell ALOT. To me, for example

-C6

Legendarion wrote:
Now permit me to show you something different! My old idea became reality.
Within the framework of fan-made thematic army, we sculpted an infantry platoon of Soviet Space Marines "Blacksmiths of Victory "
Going to made whole Legion with transport, fast and heavy support units.

Looked but couldn't find these in the webstore. Are they available yet?

~Eric

Yes they are! cadwallon.com

Dark elf girl

 Theophony wrote:
sold on everything except the helmet , otherwise I can see them painted white as part of the Ku Klux Klan of 40K

I like them the way they are, the KKK doesn't own the trademark on pointy hats, the bishops do.
If there was a western retailer i would buy them in an instant!

KHAN of 'chibiPrimes'
Chibi Jagadaj Khan

Was kind of taken aback a bit with the last one, but this one is great again. Nice

What's not to love about this? The horse is even shooting lightning out of it's . Keep them coming, I haven't decided which chapter of marines I want to build yet, but they will be led by a captain who has a striking similarity to their primarch

 Theophony wrote:
What's not to love about this? The horse is even shooting lightning out of it's .

Well feth me, I hadn't even noticed that particular touch of awesome

This isn't final Sanguinius sketch, just company for Horus. I think he`ll be more interesting.

Can we have Sanguinus wrestling the Daemon Ka'Bahda or however you spell it.

Yes you can, but first we`ll sculpt all Prims. How do you think what moniker will be good for Sanguinius?
San or Guinny?

I like Guinny makes me think Guinny Pig, as horus was testing his supremacy on Sanguinus before going after the Emperor. Any Chance of an apple in his mouth

First six Primes


2 Theophony - An apple? why not!?

Little bit from old good Confrontation. DarkHunter (WIP)

gohkm wrote:
Shame on you, Angron, stabbing a poor, hapless, teddy bear! This sculpt is just too funny for words - I like it!

That's some kind of crotch knife... I don't think he's just stabbing it...

That dark hunter is pretty awesome. His collar reminds me of a plague doctor's mask.

The hunter is really nice. I like it.