exactly, the title implies that the latter is acceptable.
40k has its own world. Bringing in other stuff from other worlds ruins it.
For example...
My friend was at the Colorado rennaisance fair in 2004. While she was walking around she noticed a pair of people immaculately dressed up as Klingons. They were drawing a lot of hostile stares. Just as she made it over there, someone else confronted them. Their reply?
"What are you complaining about, you're on OUR holodeck."
Magnificence of the prank aside, if you don't understand why everyone there wanted to punch them in the face, you won't understand why people hate you for pony marines or furry 40k.
Just because you don't understand it, however, doesn't mean you're not a horrible person.
40k is a fantasy world. Let's keep other fantasies out of it.
The thing is that when a guy draws a furry marine, he is hated
but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
Ailaros pretty much nailed it, although it took me a minute to respond to say so, since I had to clean up my laughter-induced-soda-snorting mess after reading the bit about the Klingons at the renn fair. On the one hand, I don't particularly like pony marines, furry marines, or fem marines, but on the other hand I also don't like Blood Angels, Tyranids, or Space Wolves. I think it's one of those things where as long as people aren't forcing their weirdness on me, I'm good.
KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
?
By who?
I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.
I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.
KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
?
By who?
I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.
I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.
the size of the brony thread on dakka kind of gave me the idea
KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
?
By who?
I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.
I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.
I kinda agree with this, the only thing people consider clever is how good the conversions are at times.
Though I don't mind furry marines, they just have to be chaos, I'd call it a huge mutation of the geneseed that has caused them to go all beastmen like
Mainly because I saw this wonderful chaos conversion for 40k that used beastmen models in an excellent manner, looking like a prime example of what could happen to marines completely up by the warp and chaos mutations.
I would say that both are ridiculous and make me a little sad. I personally dislike anything furry related, and the same goes for the whole "briny" phenomenon. That being said,if someone had gone to the trouble of painting their army using pony symbols or converted all their models to look like anthers, I'd still play against them, and wouldn't hold it against them. I just think it's silly to take magical friendship ponies into a grim dark setting like 40k, and furries are scarcely better, even if they can be more easily justified.
I think there are a couple of different issues here.
Pony Marines fit into the 40K fluff no better than Furry Marines do. It's a mix of genres that some people will enjoy for the novelty value, and some will hate as going against the grimdarkness of the 40K background.
From a purely modelling point of view, their acceptance is often going to come down to the standard of the modelling more than the subject matter.
If you're seeing more 'acceptance' of ponies at the moment, it's most likely just due to the current popularity of the MLP cartoon. Like any other fad, it will pass.
I don't care if someone does or doesn't like the cartoon. It doesn't fit with 40k whatsoever so I'm not okay with it, even if I find the effort that some people put into it strangely admirable. As for furries, same deal. Whatever you're into is fine, but it doesn't fit with 40k so keep it out of it. I'm okay with bringing in other fantasy/sci-fi worlds into 40k if they make sense or are done especially well - there's a Starcraft Terran-themed Deathwing army here on Dakka that's done incredibly well. There was also a great Dune army with Fremen riding on sandworms and some incredible kitbashes and conversions. These are both universes that at least are in the same neighborhood of 40k, content-wise. Cartoons about pretty ponies or guys in their 30's wearing fox tails are not.
Brother SRM wrote: I'm okay with bringing in other fantasy/sci-fi worlds into 40k if they make sense or are done especially well - there's a Starcraft Terran-themed Deathwing army here on Dakka that's done incredibly well. There was also a great Dune army with Fremen riding on sandworms and some incredible kitbashes and conversions.
Why are these in any way better? It may be a less dissimilar foreign fluff, but it's still foreign fluff. I roll my eyes at star wars guardsmen just as hard as furry marines.
I'm not sure what forum you're looking at, but every thread I've seen with ponies in it has earned 20% praise and at least 70-80% hate. A lot of them get shut down before they even get going.
Now furries on the other hand are a bit more justified. Afterall, what else can you call the space wolves? And before you SW players rage at me, go read your codex and count how many times the word "wolf" shows up in it. I'll wait
That said, a "furry" Space wolf army would be hilarious. Just watch some guy say "You know what, I'm taking this to the extreme. If they're going to be obsessed with wolves, they're going ALL. THE. WAY" Of course, this could lead to some really creepy marines...
As for my opinions on the matter, I don't care how a person models their army. It always bugs me to see the people who take this game so seriously that they can't get a bit of humor out of it. We're playing a game with little plastic army men that has a rulebook so thick you could beat a person to death with it. If you can't have a little lighthearted humor once in a while, I worry for you.
Obviously, if a person just took some MLP mcdonalds toys and glued space marine shoulder pads to them, I wouldn't be impressed. But if the guy went through and custom sculpted armor on them and made special helmets and whatnot, yeah, I'll tip my hat to him. As long as the models aren't modeled after the KKK (which is a real problem out where I live) or nazis or something like that, I don't care.
As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously. Also, like it or not, most people see furries as a sexual subculture, akin to bdsm, and are going to react with unease.
On the other hand, bronies tend not to take the show too seriously, and seem (in my experience) to use mash ups with other settings as a way to poke fun at both. Most of the pony 40k stuff I've seen has been about using the similarities (unquestioning obedience to an immortal emperor, caste system, strange and chaotic forces lurking beyond the reach of civilization) to humorously highlight the complete incompatibility in tone.
Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.
*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*
Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?
As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.
*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*
Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?
Its not, however it is stupid and depending on level of interest, often rather creepy.
MrMoustaffa wrote:It always bugs me to see the people who take this game so seriously that they can't get a bit of humor out of it. We're playing a game with little plastic army men that has a rulebook so thick you could beat a person to death with it. If you can't have a little lighthearted humor once in a while, I worry for you.
40k has its own sense of humor, called grimdark.
The fact that there are little army men has nothing to do with it. The Bible doesn't even come with miniatures, but people would still get upset if a bunch of my little ponies got written in to all of the stories.
People like to engage in fantasy, and fantasy only really works properly when it's deep and consistent. Anything that disrupts this disrupts the fantasy, and makes the otherwise meaningful experience less meaningful.
I mean, imagine if you were watching porn and suddenly there was a MLP advertisement that popped up in front of it. It would kind of ruin the experience. Or, better yet, imagine if you were watching MLP and suddenly a bunch of space marines drop podded in and burned everyone to death with flame throwers and blew open their equine heads like over-ripe melons with depleted duterium explosive ammunition. It would be no less disruptive.
It's no less obnoxious than people who are purposeful photobombers. Let me have my experience in peace, with a little respect.
As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.
*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*
Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?
Ummm... I don't know what your deffinition of furry is, but where I'm from, it means a person who dresses up in an animal suit to get their "kicks".
Does this mean something different elsewhere? I'm being serious, everytime I've seen "furry" related stuff, it has been sexual in nature, and I mean that in the most mindscarringly, brain bleach inducing way possible.
Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing, which I could get behind. Still not going to watch a show about magical ponies though guys, no offense.
EDIT: @ Ailaros, I can see where you're coming from. I however was referring to people who don't see any of the more ironic parts of grimdark at all. I'm talking about the guys who break out in a fit of hives at the merest mention of anything that is not gloom and doom. If you need to get an idea of what I'm referring to, go find a Tau thread and read down a few posts.
I get the whole "bringing stuff over from another universe ruining this one." That's a perfectly reasonable response to things like MLP being dropped into 40k. While it doesn't rile me up much, I could see a player who's invested a lot of time into his army looking across the table, seeing something like a MLP themed army, and being miffed.
Wow, I never watched any MLP cartoons and the only time I knew about them was from 40k.... I even saw a 9gag post of a dreadnought ripping a pony into 2 pieces. All of a sudden a huge amount of hate was in the comments bar....
As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.
*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*
Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?
Ummm... I don't know what your deffinition of furry is, but where I'm from, it means a person who dresses up in an animal suit to get their "kicks".
Does this mean something different elsewhere? I'm being serious, everytime I've seen "furry" related stuff, it has been sexual in nature, and I mean that in the most mindscarringly, brain bleach inducing way possible.
Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing, which I could get behind. Still not going to watch a show about magical ponies though guys, no offense.
Furry fandom is a fandom for fictional anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities and characteristics.[1] Examples of anthropomorphic attributes include exhibiting human intelligence and facial expressions, the ability to speak, walk on two legs, and wear clothes. Furry fandom is also used to refer to the community of people who gather on the Internet and at conventions.[
There's a fandom there after all. Not just a fully sexual thing. (Kind of like how everyone flanderizes Slaanesh now, ugh)
I think people hate furries, because furry hate has been an ongoing phenomena within the 40k fandom. Ponies aren't more accepted its just that there are so many bronies that what they do seems to overshadow any kind of furries that people put into 40k. I'd say it has to do more with that there are more bronies now than there are furries in the world. Most bronies are just normal people who like MLP and find it amusing to see ponies in 40k outfits or crossed over into any other franchise. That's just how it is.
I have a ton of experience, in these threads. And they never ever end well.
I have 1 IG Armor Regiment + Titan Legion based on the Princess Luna, I recieve tons of compliments for my paints and units. And my new Celestial Marines have been a big hit to,
Trust me, don't worry about the opinions of "Internet Manley Tough Guys".
Alexzandvar wrote:I have a ton of experience, in these threads. And they never ever end well.
I have 1 IG Armor Regiment + Titan Legion based on the Princess Luna, I recieve tons of compliments for my paints and units. And my new Celestial Marines have been a big hit to,
Trust me, don't worry about the opinions of "Internet Manley Tough Guys".
Stay Classy guys.
I think the thread was about actual furry and MLP armies, not ones with only tributary imaging like yours.
Alexzandvar wrote:I have a ton of experience, in these threads. And they never ever end well.
I have 1 IG Armor Regiment + Titan Legion based on the Princess Luna, I recieve tons of compliments for my paints and units. And my new Celestial Marines have been a big hit to,
Trust me, don't worry about the opinions of "Internet Manley Tough Guys".
Stay Classy guys.
You need to take a picture of those models. I'd love to see it.
Alexzandvar wrote:I have a ton of experience, in these threads. And they never ever end well.
I have 1 IG Armor Regiment + Titan Legion based on the Princess Luna, I recieve tons of compliments for my paints and units. And my new Celestial Marines have been a big hit to,
Trust me, don't worry about the opinions of "Internet Manley Tough Guys".
Stay Classy guys.
I think the thread was about actual furry and MLP armies, not ones with only tributary imaging like yours.
Ah I see, anyway, I believe that a good 50-60% of Warhammer 40k itself is the ability to make your own army and it's own fluff. I love to write background for my IG armies.
A lot of it may be out of the box, but what fun would Warhammer 40k be if people didn't think outside the box?
MrMoustaffa wrote:That said, a "furry" Space wolf army would be hilarious. Just watch some guy say "You know what, I'm taking this to the extreme. If they're going to be obsessed with wolves, they're going ALL. THE. WAY" Of course, this could lead to some really creepy marines...
They already have them. Ever heard of the space wolves 13th company wulfen? From the eye of terror book.
KhornePysker wrote:The thing is that when a guy draws a furry marine, he is hated
but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
Says who? I think they are pedophile-esque creeps.
MrMoustaffa wrote:That said, a "furry" Space wolf army would be hilarious. Just watch some guy say "You know what, I'm taking this to the extreme. If they're going to be obsessed with wolves, they're going ALL. THE. WAY" Of course, this could lead to some really creepy marines...
They already have them. Ever heard of the space wolves 13th company wulfen? From the eye of terror book.
Then there's Bran Redmaw from IA11 'The Doom of Mymeara.' Wolf Lord of the SPEHSS WULVS, reputed to turn into a furry werewolf thing whenever he gets worked up.
If the argument is against bringing fetishes into 40k, I suppose we'll just sweep Slaanesh and all the Dark Eldar under a rug, then? Maybe the IG and Tau too, because clearly there must be a sexual innuendo there with all those big guns. Space nuns? Emperor help us, that's EXTRA FETISHEY! Frankly that debate's a bit silly when you think about it. This is just a matter of "I think this is funny/cool/different. I want to make an army around it." What's so bad about that?
If the problem is "it's not grimdark", let's be honest here. Anything can be made grimdark with the right bits, paint job, and background story. The galaxy is a big place, anyways, who's to say talking ponies wouldn't exist? Especially when you have xeno races like the Orks who grow from spores and carry a British accent, or those Jokaero MIT-graduates under employment by the Inquisition.
Ultimately the army belongs to whoever makes it, so what's the problem? If you ever come across it you're under no obligation to play against it if you don't want to, barring tournaments, if they ever get that far. So long as another person is respectable to your army, I think the same courtesy should be extended. That's hardly too much to ask, is it? I think MLP marines are weird, sure, but I won't bash the guy for having such an army, especially if it's well done. What's the point in gaming if you can't have a little fun? If you don't like it, no need to be hostile, just walk away.
tl;dr I'm wondering if this is just the old timers getting riled up over the young bloods being different.
Opinions. They differ. You don't have to like them.
Respect. Don't be "That Guy".
KhornePysker wrote:The thing is that when a guy draws a furry marine, he is hated
but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
Says who? I think they are pedophile-esque creeps.
Calm down. Let's be polite to each other, lest MODs come in and shut us all down.
And before anyone says I'm pro-brony and everything else, I'm not. I think it's a bit 'creepy', but to each their own. Unless of course, it's not just symbols and tributary images, but actually working bronies and furries into the fluff, in which case RAGE ensues.
you guys do know that this is a game of toy soldiers in a fictional universe right? who cares what a person converts a model to or how they paint it up. its their decision to be artistic in their own sort of way.
people raging about this and the fluff of 40k not allowing mlp armies are probably the same who rage about the transformer movies not being accurate....
Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
The Inquisition has since decreed that Beastmen are no longer abhumans, but filthy mutants.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
The Inquisition has since decreed that Beastmen are no longer abhumans, but filthy mutants.
Yeah they can only generally be used with the mutant lists located in a few IA army lists.
The only decreed abhumans are the Ratlings, the Ogryn, and a few others I cannot seem to remember right now.
They do make for some nice chaos conversions though.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
Beastmen existed way way way before Furries, don't tarnish their good name with the same label please.
I think it's a case of lifestyle. Of course I'd don't support MLP/40k crossovers, even though I'm a fan of both. Because it's stupid. It's like on deviantART, where there's a "Christian-"<Insert fandom> for everything. Why? What's the point? Just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you need to force-feed it into the things you like.
However, MLP is a show. It's a fandom. The pony MLP stuff is parody, satire, or just general lulz, usually. It's just someone combining two things they like for amusement. That Grey Knights MLP army? Hilariously awesome.
Whether they like it or not, furries are a subculture of sorts. Unfortunately, this defines a lot of people.
Most of us know the scary ones, the ones from which the name of 'furry' came; the fetish ones. Then there are the ones who actually believe that they're animal-people in a human body or whatever. That's the key, here.
There are also people who simply enjoy a series/franchise/whatever (ie Sonic, Star Fox, etc) that has anthros in it - some of these people define themselves as 'furries', when really they shouldn't. Some of these people are falsely labelled as being furry fetishists, too.
These people see animal-people as being 'normal' or 'better' than humans. Thus, if something is liked, it has to be brutally force-fed with their other favourite thing, no matter how well it fits or not. It's like being such a diehard Chaos Marines fan that, no matter what fandom you're in, you have to stick tentacles and warpspawn mutations all over everything, and get all worked up in a rage if someone disapproves. It's like being gay, and thus having to force absolutely everything in a setting to be gay as well, and screw common sense, I want Hive Tyrants to have gay sex! It's like TF and inflation fetish, which has to be forcefed into everything. It's like rape fetish, which has to be forcefed into the fandom by way of misinterpreting the Dark Eldar and Slaanesh.
It has to be derp, and derp derps for derps' sake.
EDIT: Yes, one part of it is that furries take themselves far too seriously. And no, the argument for taking 40k seriously does not apply - this is a 40k board. If it were a furry board, taking furriness really seriously would be much more acceptable.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
Beastmen existed way way way before Furries, don't tarnish their good name with the same label please.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
Beastmen existed way way way before Furries, don't tarnish their good name with the same label please.
Still mutants, Mr. Rice.
We're not discussing whether they are mutants or not, in reference to the original post, I'm saying they are not furries and to not hate on them.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
Beastmen existed way way way before Furries, don't tarnish their good name with the same label please.
Still mutants, Mr. Rice.
We're not discussing whether they are mutants or not, in reference to the original post, I'm saying they are not furries and to not hate on them.
VeteranRookie wrote:Also, furrys are cannon oddly enough. They're just labeled as abhumans. Models below are old Beastmen for IG armies. Again, you don't have to like ideas to respect them.
Beastmen existed way way way before Furries, don't tarnish their good name with the same label please.
Still mutants, Mr. Rice.
We're not discussing whether they are mutants or not, in reference to the original post, I'm saying they are not furries and to not hate on them.
It's the same as the Hello Kitty army(s). Sure they don't belong in the 40K universe but that's all part of the semi-trolling fun of it. And there is a double-standard with furry-hate; it's all fursuit fetishes until they come across something furry which they like, then it's fine and not weird at all.
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SDFarsight wrote:It's the same as the Hello Kitty army(s). Sure they don't belong in the 40K universe but that's all part of the semi-trolling fun of it. And there is a double-standard with furry-hate; it's all fursuit fetishes until they come across something furry which they like, then it's fine and not weird at all.
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Personaly I don't care. After 17/18 years in this hobby you see alsorts of stuff, from awesome to wtf!.
I my self am building a BattleMech type IG army, so does that make me a bad person?
Wow, this thread is just full of venom and hatred isn't it. I really don't see what the problem is with these things. I'm not a fan of furry gak, but I am a brony (yeah, I'm waiting for the apocalyptic gakstorm. Come at me bro.) and all I'm going to say to the haters is this:
Don't like it? Don't look at it. If a guy rolls in to your FLGS with an MLP army, just don't play him. Simple. Fact is, you're entitled to do whatever the heck you want with your army, a right that extends to everyone.
And let's look at this in context: It's a fictional universe about spacemans and aliens. Stop taking it so damn seriously.
liquidjoshi wrote:Wow, this thread is just full of venom and hatred isn't it. I really don't see what the problem is with these things. I'm not a fan of furry gak, but I am a brony (yeah, I'm waiting for the apocalyptic gakstorm. Come at me bro.) and all I'm going to say to the haters is this:
Don't like it? Don't look at it. If a guy rolls in to your FLGS with an MLP army, just don't play him. Simple. Fact is, you're entitled to do whatever the heck you want with your army, a right that extends to everyone.
And let's look at this in context: It's a fictional universe about spacemans and aliens. Stop taking it so damn seriously.
No, you stop making light of our Grimdark universe and keep your goddam ponies out of it!
I am not a brony or furry, however since it is all fiction, what does it matter? Someone is taking one thing they enjoy and combining it with something else they enjoy. A hobby is for enjoyment after all. If you do not like their army, do not play it, simple. As long as their army follows a TO&E and I can understand that one model has one load out and a different model has a different load out, then so be it. The have met the requirements for a playable army and made it unique.
Again, if you do not like it, do not play them, but judging them for making the hobby fun for them is stupid.
Well sometimes it's actually nice to take fluff and background seriously, get into the atmosphere of the game and so on. It's like playing a serious videogame without taking it seriously. Sure you may have a lot of fun, but it won't have the same feeling as having a good time while taking the game seriously. Am I making any sense?
If I can't picture my chapter/regiment/waaaagh/kabal/warband fighting alongside or against your chapte/regiment/waaaagh/kabal/warband aboard a space hulk within the confines of the grimdark universe of the 41st millenium, it doesn't belong in our collective universe.
Woah woah woah! Wait! You're telling me that there are people out there that play this game that actually LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS THAN OTHER PLAYERS OUT THERE!? That's stupid, and we should ridicule them and make our hate known!
I guess it's been a week since the last bronie-hate fest. This thread is bad and most of you should feel bad.
Well, it's pretty much a matter of time till this thread gets locked down. I made my last post at 3am. wake up at 11am and its already halfway down the 3rd page and mostly nothing but flaming now. Geez guys calm down.
I'm just gonna say my last bit and bow out before the thread locks
Ailaros wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing.
If it is, it's a pretty bad joke.
"who can be the most irreverant?" humor generally stops being funny once you finish puberty...
Yeah but that's the thing though, they find it funny. And if that's what helps them enjoy the hobby, then I'm not going to stop them. It takes a lot of money, time and effort to get into this hobby. If that's what makes them happy, good for them.
As others have said, you wont have to play them in a local store, and I highly doubt a brony army is going to make it into a tournament anytime soon. Since you'll never HAVE to play them, it should be a nonissue. I know it'd probably still bug some people just that they're in the store, but if they're being obnoxious and annoying the regulars they'll get kicked out. If they're good and are polite, just ignore them and carry on with your game.
Now can we stop the arguing guys? It's getting a little out of hand. And also that wasn't meant to single out Ailaros or anything, that was more of a general response to everyone in this thread who dislikes the MLP thing and whatnot. Most guys here will never even SEE a MLP army, let alone play one, so I don't see why it's such a big deal.
Now, if every third or 4th army being made was a pony army, then yeah, this would be a problem worth raging about. Or, heaven forbid, we get a new space marine codex, the dreaded "Space Stallions", written by Matt ward of course
I'm not surprised that there are people immature enough to care about this either way. If you meet someone with an army of furries, ponies or hello kitties and that's just not your thing then don't play it. Nobody's forcing you to even look at the damn things.
Complaining about it on the internet only wastes my time and yours.
Lord Rogukiel wrote:Well sometimes it's actually nice to take fluff and background seriously, get into the atmosphere of the game and so on. It's like playing a serious videogame without taking it seriously. Sure you may have a lot of fun, but it won't have the same feeling as having a good time while taking the game seriously. Am I making any sense?
Personally I don't like either.
What happens when you play something like orks? Do you just ignore all the crazy and wacky stuff from them and just imagine them like black orcs in space? I mean you've got orks background that's kinda.. hard to take seriously, like the guy who strapped a Battle cannon to his bike, that everytime he fires sends himself back quite a distance, oh and he rammed through a titans void shields, rammed through its face, killed the crew (All while on fire!) Lived, and has the burning skulls adorning his bike.
I originally played orks, I continue to do so to this day. So I generally find myself enjoying both the silliest part of things, and still having a bit of respect for the serious aspects of it.
KhornePysker wrote:The thing is that when a guy draws a furry marine, he is hated
but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society
That is only true with some people. I find both annoying, but I don't give a crap what other people do with their time or money at the end of the day. I'll never end up meeting or playing these folks anyway, so who cares?
Jidmah wrote:Actually, I think the inquisitorial seal mutated.
This is First Company Battle-Brother Tadashi of the Blood Ravens to the local Inquisitorial Conclave. Request exterminatus fleet be sent against SDFarsight.
I don´t like the advice being thrown around in this thread about "just not playing against someone who´s army scheme you don´t like".
While technically true, refusing to play someone just because you don´t like that they paint their army pink makes you a humorless douchebag. It´s exactly the kind of "herp-derp Warhammer is SERIOUS business" - attitude that annoys the crap out of people and keeps outsiders from trying the game.
Also, complaining about somebodies artwork on the internet makes you a virtual humorless douchebag. Just saying.
A lot of it boils down to a player's sense of humor. I've had a lot of gak happen to me throughout life, and my way of handling it without going mad is to laugh at everything. Like those hello kitty marines? I laughed hard for a minute. To me that seems like a better response than having an artery bulge and get angry.
Is it really worth the increased blood pressure and shortened lifespan because someone is having fun? Really?
Without getting suspended for making fun of "bronies", (which you guys should really stop calling yourselves that if you want any modicum of respect), I will have to say that I definitely don't mind playing armies with a sense of humor.
For example, THIS is funny to me.
This, well....this is just more than a little weird.
The blood "letters" are a humorous concept whereas converting a bunch of space marines to look like weird ponies that 5 year olds play with will get weird stares, at least where I'm from.
That being said, it's a free country (in good ol' America at least) so you have the right to do whatever you want. Just don't be surprised if other people disagree with it. I have a right to disagree with stuff that I don't like. So stop getting offended about it, mmkay?
:edit: I just realized why the pony space marines are so weird but I laugh at the hello kitty dreadnoughts: It's because the former actually thinks that their army is cool but the latter doesn't take itself seriously at all and know what it's doing.
I think part of the issue is that the other 'funny' stuff is clever in it's own regard like the bloodletters or just amusingly out of place.
Furrys are also a subgroup of people who have strange personal connections to animals that to lots of 'normal' people (what IS normal, anyway?) seems bizarre and probably makes them uncomfortable.
The problem with 'bronies' is that they're a little too damn proud of the fact that they watch a kids show about talking pastel ponies. Best case, it's a plea for attention, worst case, it's a plea for help. I find the pastels smeared across dakka an eyesore at any rate, which is why we have adblock, but I'm not going to go out of my way to hunt them down and ridicule them either.
The overall problem is that it goes beyond something amusingly out of place and becomes two things; what seems to be an obsession that you can't separate from other functions in your life, and also a glimpse into the uncanny valley of fetishes. Your furry marines remind me that furrys exist, which, personally, weird me out.
It's like the grown men wearing diapers and acting like babies thing.
For example: I made those Hello Kitty marines for a friend's girlfriend for Christmas. She liked them. It was something that happened once, and I get a chuckle out of them now still. In my mind this isn't "bad".
Alternate reality: I have hello kitty plastered all over my avatar and signature on the forum and I repeatedly create threads talking about how the mother kitty shall lead all the nonbelievers to ruin, and my username is ILOVEHELLOKITTY. Now I have a full army of hello kitty marines or what-have-you. This is when it starts to get a little creepy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Consider this: I have a llama in disguise for an avatar, and I claim I'm not a llama.
Now consider that every one of my armies is modeled to look like anthropomorphic llamas, and I remind you of them often. Is that funny? Maybe the first time.
Horses belong i their own realm. If they wanna cross over then lets send an icon bearer to their world so he can usher in a waves and waves of daemons.......Blood for the Blood God and Skullz for the Skullz Throne
As far as I'm concerned....if I'm to play against armies like Dark Eldar and such...then I'll use whatever army I like. I couldn't give a gak what my opponent thinks of them, much like I think about his army.
The only one that stands out there is Pony marines that are done 100% like the show. An equine-based chaos army could still fit the conventions of fluff. Furry armies already get a stamp of approval from the game's makers in the form of mutants.
Alternate reality: I have hello kitty plastered all over my avatar and signature on the forum and I repeatedly create threads talking about how the mother kitty shall lead all the nonbelievers to ruin, and my username is ILOVEHELLOKITTY. Now I have a full army of hello kitty marines or what-have-you. This is when it starts to get a little creepy.
The mother kitty... Okay that would be more than a bit hilarious to me.
I rather enjoy my little 40k avatars though, they are nicely done so I continue to switch through them. I don't care to extoll anything upon anyone. So what would my measure be considered?
Well, let's get rid of the Slaaneshi armies and the Dark Eldar, then, too. Oh, and those Sisters of Battle. Strict Nuns (with guns or not) are definitely a fetish-thing.
It's a cross-fictional thing?
Uh, welcome to Warhammer. This is a mish-mash of things inspired by, taken from, stolen whole-cloth, from the last sixty years of Sci-Fi.
It's not "grimdark"?
The furry guys are dudes with the Chaos Gift "Bestial Visage" or "Cross-breed". The ponies? Well, there is the Tau... what with their trying to do the good, right thing, get everyone together in the happy commune of cooperative living and all that....
It's a kids' show?
So is the majority of anime that makes it to western shores, but that doesn't stop full adults from digging Avatar: The Last Airbender, Full-Metal Alchemist, or whatever else is popular on the TV these days. Hell, I'm a big Evangelion and GitS fan, and I'll be 36 later this year, and I will fight any man who disses my Star Wars: Clone Wars.
Personally, I... don't really care. It's their time and money and, if the conversions are done well, then they get kudos for being a skilled modeler. Other than that? As long as you don't get into a hissy and demand that I like the same things you like, and start putting ponies in my sig-line or something, then I really don't care what you do with your time.
...Anthropomorphic animal's being used as a subculture started long before with several cultures having them worshipped as gods, tricksters, spirits, and various other things. Than it gained some ground with the "Other-kin" Believers who think they were possessed/truly were animals in spirit, it started a long time ago, rather than as a sexual thing. Though there we're some older tales with copulation (Such as a few native american one's, like the tales of the trickster fox)
MLPs was a way for pedos to send images to one another using the MLP images as... watermarks... covers... I don't know the term.
Infact, some of you with brony images may have pedo stuff on your comps from downloading them.
It's technically just called file hiding, there's another term but I can't really remember what it is called, where one would insert a file or hidden encrypted file within other files bit data using pre-made programs or using bit data programs.
Though I highly doubt it was started due to..that.
Well, let's get rid of the Slaaneshi armies and the Dark Eldar, then, too. Oh, and those Sisters of Battle. Strict Nuns (with guns or not) are definitely a fetish-thing.
But the problem is that it's that, AND it's something that doesn't exist in the universe; you're bringing it in via fanfiction (and we ALL know how we feel about fanfiction).
In other words, we have one of those already; don't need more.
It's a cross-fictional thing?
Uh, welcome to Warhammer. This is a mish-mash of things inspired by, taken from, stolen whole-cloth, from the last sixty years of Sci-Fi.
But the problem is that it's that, AND it's a sex/fetish thing, AND it's something that doesn't exist in the universe; you're bringing it in via fanfiction (and we ALL know how we feel about fanfiction).
When GW steals Sci-Fi, they make some effort to shoehorn it into the world such that it keeps the same atmosphere. It's not a direct import of another franchise.
It's not "grimdark"?
The furry guys are dudes with the Chaos Gift "Bestial Visage" or "Cross-breed". The ponies? Well, there is the Tau... what with their trying to do the good, right thing, get everyone together in the happy commune of cooperative living and all that....
But the problem is that it's that, AND it's cross-fictional AND it's a sex/fetish thing, AND it's something that doesn't exist in the universe; you're bringing it in via fanfiction (and we ALL know how we feel about fanfiction).
Some kind of pony breed in the Tau is possible; probable even. If GW were to ever make them though, they wouldn't be pastel with giant eyes.
It's a kids' show?
So is the majority of anime that makes it to western shores, but that doesn't stop full adults from digging Avatar: The Last Airbender, Full-Metal Alchemist, or whatever else is popular on the TV these days. Hell, I'm a big Evangelion and GitS fan, and I'll be 36 later this year, and I will fight any man who disses my Star Wars: Clone Wars.
Personally, I... don't really care. It's their time and money and, if the conversions are done well, then they get kudos for being a skilled modeler. Other than that? As long as you don't get into a hissy and demand that I like the same things you like, and start putting ponies in my sig-line or something, then I really don't care what you do with your time.
There's nothing wrong with watching or even liking kids shows. I enjoy me some Yo Gabba Gabba, but to take it to such an extreme that you're importing it into other things you do becomes strange because it can be interpreted as a fixation.
Wouldn't you expect people to look at you strangely if you were to portray yourself as a Space Marine in real life? Yes, because it's out of place, and real life people will have no understanding or appreciation of it. If you have ponies for avatars and signatures, then you're doing something similar here.
It's the reason why you don't wear your fursuit when you go to Grandma's or when you go to Sears to buy some powertools.
I just shake my head at furries in real life (I was friends with a couple in college) and don't take them seriously at all, but I don't care for them in 40k-hence hating Space Wolves. Sorry Wolf lovers, they ARE furries-no two ways about it. The have fur and fangs and some turn into werewolves. Yeah...
As for ponies, I wouldn't play against anyone fielding a MLP army-if I sat down across from it, unless it was a tourney, I'd refuse. You might love MLP, but I don't think it has any place in 40k-please leave it out. This is me asking nicely for the first offense. Next time I rage and smash armies. You have been warned. If someone does it and doesn't see this thread, that's their problem, isn't it?
A few people gave me crap about an Iron Man themed Eldar army-if that isn't okay, ponies and furries SURE as hell aren't okay.
timetowaste85 wrote:I just shake my head at furries in real life (I was friends with a couple in college) and don't take them seriously at all, but I don't care for them in 40k-hence hating Space Wolves. Sorry Wolf lovers, they ARE furries-no two ways about it. The have fur and fangs and some turn into werewolves. Yeah...
As for ponies, I wouldn't play against anyone fielding a MLP army-if I sat down across from it, unless it was a tourney, I'd refuse. You might love MLP, but I don't think it has any place in 40k-please leave it out. This is me asking nicely for the first offense. Next time I rage and smash armies. You have been warned. If someone does it and doesn't see this thread, that's their problem, isn't it?
A few people gave me crap about an Iron Man themed Eldar army-if that isn't okay, ponies and furries SURE as hell aren't okay.
Wait, so you made an army incorporating stuff from outside the 40k universe and had some idiots give you crap about it and that makes other stuff unacceptable?
Who are these few people who have the power to dictate what is and isn't acceptable?
nosferatu1001 wrote:I couldnt care less either way.
How people want to play the game is their own business
(full disclosure - i know a few furries, noone i know is into MLP though, guess its not become big again in the UK)
Your lucky, I go to a college in the US and there are so many people that are into MLP, I can't stand being around them because it is all they ever talk about.
Furries can be a bit weird but at least if I don't have to worry about it as most don't talk about it everyday all day in public places.
As for having them in 40k they really have no place, I would not play against an army of either unless at a tournament where I was forced to.
timetowaste85 wrote:I just shake my head at furries in real life (I was friends with a couple in college) and don't take them seriously at all, but I don't care for them in 40k-hence hating Space Wolves. Sorry Wolf lovers, they ARE furries-no two ways about it. The have fur and fangs and some turn into werewolves. Yeah...
As for ponies, I wouldn't play against anyone fielding a MLP army-if I sat down across from it, unless it was a tourney, I'd refuse. You might love MLP, but I don't think it has any place in 40k-please leave it out. This is me asking nicely for the first offense. Next time I rage and smash armies. You have been warned. If someone does it and doesn't see this thread, that's their problem, isn't it?
A few people gave me crap about an Iron Man themed Eldar army-if that isn't okay, ponies and furries SURE as hell aren't okay.
Wait, so you made an army incorporating stuff from outside the 40k universe and had some idiots give you crap about it and that makes other stuff unacceptable?
Who are these few people who have the power to dictate what is and isn't acceptable?
Advanced suit of armor...works for both. Repulsor tech vs forcefield tech..pretty similar. Arrogant attitudes...check. Pony vs Horus-um, what? Also, Iron Man wasn't designed for 4 year old girls. I'd be perfectly happy playing against a Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Dune, Aliens, etc style army. You can have your Brony army, but I just won't play it. I'm only stating that if something that isn't too far off-base from 40k doesn't make for an acceptable conversion, a 4 year old girl's show shouldn't make the cut either. Best combination of 40k and MLP I ever saw was the dreadnaught ripping a pony in half with a rainbow flying out. Now THAT model I'd play against!!
Its fine to theme your army any way you like, really, but that doesn't mean that others HAVE to play against it if they don't approve. Free will and all that. Its also fine for them to express their opinion of your MLP/Furry/Ironman/whatever-themed army, and you are free to ignore them.
timetowaste85 wrote:I just shake my head at furries in real life (I was friends with a couple in college) and don't take them seriously at all, but I don't care for them in 40k-hence hating Space Wolves. Sorry Wolf lovers, they ARE furries-no two ways about it. The have fur and fangs and some turn into werewolves. Yeah...
As for ponies, I wouldn't play against anyone fielding a MLP army-if I sat down across from it, unless it was a tourney, I'd refuse. You might love MLP, but I don't think it has any place in 40k-please leave it out. This is me asking nicely for the first offense. Next time I rage and smash armies. You have been warned. If someone does it and doesn't see this thread, that's their problem, isn't it?
A few people gave me crap about an Iron Man themed Eldar army-if that isn't okay, ponies and furries SURE as hell aren't okay.
Wait, so you made an army incorporating stuff from outside the 40k universe and had some idiots give you crap about it and that makes other stuff unacceptable?
Who are these few people who have the power to dictate what is and isn't acceptable?
Advanced suit of armor...works for both. Repulsor tech vs forcefield tech..pretty similar. Arrogant attitudes...check. Pony vs Horus-um, what? Also, Iron Man wasn't designed for 4 year old girls. I'd be perfectly happy playing against a Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Dune, Aliens, etc style army. You can have your Brony army, but I just won't play it. I'm only stating that if something that isn't too far off-base from 40k doesn't make for an acceptable conversion, a 4 year old girl's show shouldn't make the cut either. Best combination of 40k and MLP I ever saw was the dreadnaught ripping a pony in half with a rainbow flying out. Now THAT model I'd play against!!
Your argument is essentially, "I will only play against conversions I find to be similar to 40k" Seriously? That's the most vague way of what conversions you'll play against. Its not even logical. I don't see why you should deny anyone a game of 40k simply because they made conversions out of MLP toys or any other toys for that matter. Its just ridiculous especially if its a friendly pick up game.
timetowaste85 wrote:Also, Iron Man wasn't designed for 4 year old girls.
Nor was the MLP cartoon, by all reports. The toys may be intended for young girls, but from all reports the cartoon is aiming for a wider audience. Which is a fairly common tactic in animation... make a show for kids, but keep the writing clever enough to let the parents enjoy it as well.
Besides, why can people only like shows that were designed specifically for their age group? Does the guy writing the show really get to dictate whether or not you're allowed to enjoy it based on your age and gender?
If you enjoy a show, then you enjoy the show. Who it was originally targeted at is really irrelevant.
Just clarifying. And by now anyone who has been on the internet has come to learn bronies are the scourge of it. They travel in herds. Staining all that is holy and sacred with their strange borderline worship of their pastel Slanneshi warp-spawn. They are merciless and will torment you until you retaliate then they drown you in tears and liquid butthurt.
And it's really fething funny.
However there are men/women who would see the internet not covered in darkness I see them in this thread. And I salute them. Keep them in their own threads and blogs.
Furries are a lot like my fellow Canadians, quiet, keep to themselves and not nearly as obnoxious as the neon colored scourge of the internet/Dakka Dakka.
VeteranRookie wrote:... as they are, aesthetically, the same thing.
They're really not.
'Furries' come with a strong Anime-influenced aesthetic. The design is generally intended to be more cute that genuinely bestial.
Beastmen, on the other hand, are generally only cute by accident.
VeteranRookie wrote:... as they are, aesthetically, the same thing.
They're really not.
'Furries' come with a strong Anime-influenced aesthetic. The design is generally intended to be more cute that genuinely bestial.
Beastmen, on the other hand, are generally only cute by accident.
What I meant was that they're both animals given a human-ish physique. Though +1 to you for your Beastmen observation.
MrMoustaffa wrote:. Or, better yet, imagine if you were watching MLP and suddenly a bunch of space marines drop podded in and burned everyone to death with flame throwers and blew open their equine heads like over-ripe melons with depleted duterium explosive ammunition.
I love that idea. LOVE. IT. I used to have no prob with bronieism or whatever, than my 3 brothers started, and won't shut the hell up, I sh*t you not when i say i found certain "writings" open on MY computer !
All in all though, i think bronies and furies in 40k are just annoying, grow up, you don't have to inject your fantasy into everything. Bronies get upset whenever people hate on them, but if they see it from our point of view, its a show for children. For small, female children. What does that look like if your twenty something and a man? I personally don't think any less of them, its just sort of weird.
Mr Hyena wrote:Egyptian-influenced. It goes back a LOT further than Anime. (Anime really only applies to catboys/girls and manga artworks)
Not really. While in the broadest sense you technically could apply the 'Furry' tag to any anthropomorphic animal, in common usage it is confined more to animated characters and anime in particular, from what I've seen.
Besides, the Egyptian gods were depicted as people with animal heads, not anthropomorphic animals.
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Commisar Von Humps wrote:...but if they see it from our point of view, its a show for children.
So was the Lion King. I'm not at all ashamed to admit that it's one of my favorite animated movies.
Mr Hyena wrote:Egyptian-influenced. It goes back a LOT further than Anime. (Anime really only applies to catboys/girls and manga artworks)
Not really. While in the broadest sense you technically could apply the 'Furry' tag to any anthropomorphic animal, in common usage it is confined more to animated characters and anime in particular, from what I've seen.
Besides, the Egyptian gods were depicted as people with animal heads, not anthropomorphic animals.
Somewhat. The basis of it was in Egyptian beliefs and in Native American...but the modern image of it comes from Western animation, primarily Disney.
Mr Hyena wrote:Egyptian-influenced. It goes back a LOT further than Anime. (Anime really only applies to catboys/girls and manga artworks)
Not really. While in the broadest sense you technically could apply the 'Furry' tag to any anthropomorphic animal, in common usage it is confined more to animated characters and anime in particular, from what I've seen.
Besides, the Egyptian gods were depicted as people with animal heads, not anthropomorphic animals.
Somewhat. The basis of it was in Egyptian beliefs and in Native American...but the modern image of it comes from Western animation, primarily Disney.
From the beginnings of human behavioural modernity in the Upper Paleolithic, about 40,000 years ago, examples of zoomorphic (animal-shaped) works of art occur that may represent the earliest evidence we have of anthropomorphism. One of the oldest known is an ivory sculpture, the Lion man of the Hohlenstein Stadel, Germany, a human-shaped figurine with a lion's head, determined to be about 32,000 years old
Yeah, still sounds more like you're talking about anthropomorphism in general, rather than Furries specifically. Because the Furry 'movement' pretty much was spawned by modern cartoons.
insaniak wrote:Yeah, still sounds more like you're talking about anthropomorphism in general, rather than Furries specifically. Because the Furry 'movement' pretty much was spawned by modern cartoons.
Oh that difference, I kept seeing Egyptian and the like being thrown around so I thought it was a poke at general anthropomorphism as well.
It's a fandom pretty much, it's like the star trek fandom.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:You forgot the last part, small, female, children. Lion King was awesome, classic movie. Not a show that made me want to put a gun barrel in my mouth.
But it was still a show intended for children. Should we all be pointing and laughing because you think it's awesome? Why does it make a difference if MLP is intended for girls specifically, rather than just for children in general?
For that matter, what exactly makes it specifically targeted at girls? The fact that it has ponies in it? Does it have a disclaimer at the start of the show saying 'You have to be this short and possess female bits in order to watch this show',,,?
Actually, given what I have heard of the show, I wonder how many of those putting it down for being intended for small girls have even watched an episode?
I have watched the intro to the show, and caught several bits here and there. Please tell me that MLP was not intended for small, prepubescent girls after watching it. I'm not saying to go pointing and laughing at them, i'm just saying that its a show that's meant for young girls and that adult males have turned it into something that they constantly turn everything into. And yes i may be generalizing, but its ridiculous.
I don't know about one being better than the other, both from what I've noticed are regarded as a cancerous plague, infecting whatever you love with it's heresy.
Whenever I see a pony/furry thread on a board that's not pony/furry specific it just screams "I want attention"/unintentional trolling, you shouldn't force something disliked by many people onto a board that has nothing to do with the disliked topic.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:I have watched the intro to the show, and caught several bits here and there. Please tell me that MLP was not intended for small, prepubescent girls after watching it. I'm not saying to go pointing and laughing at them, i'm just saying that its a show that's meant for young girls and that adult males have turned it into something that they constantly turn everything into. And yes i may be generalizing, but its ridiculous.
The intro is the girliest bit of the entire show. Hence why most bronies skip it.
Here's what I said when stuff about "how is the show not just for little girls?" came up in another thread:
Just a quick question but have you ever seen a film called The Big Lebowski? If you have then I won't need to explain why it isn't suitable viewing for a 12 year old girl. If you haven't then know it involves a lot of swearing, nudity, drug references, violence, the ingestion of copious amounts of White Russians etc. With this in mind I will just say that in one episode of this show which "caters to 12 year old girls" there was a cameo of some of the characters from said film, including one whose most famous line included him saying that he would put a glock up your gakhole and pull the trigger until it went click.
It might just be me but that seems to be catering to a bit more than just 12 year old girls.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:You forgot the last part, small, female, children. Lion King was awesome, classic movie. Not a show that made me want to put a gun barrel in my mouth.
But it was still a show intended for children. Should we all be pointing and laughing because you think it's awesome? Why does it make a difference if MLP is intended for girls specifically, rather than just for children in general?
For that matter, what exactly makes it specifically targeted at girls? The fact that it has ponies in it? Does it have a disclaimer at the start of the show saying 'You have to be this short and possess female bits in order to watch this show',,,?
Actually, given what I have heard of the show, I wonder how many of those putting it down for being intended for small girls have even watched an episode?
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
Edit: not to misrepresent my point, there are factors like 'observer discomfort', but that tends to mean a deeper discomfort than just 'why do you like that show, its weird'.
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
I think it's far more likely that the entire MLP fandom is just a big trolling conspiracy that -works- very well. Then for them to all be closeted pedophiles. Also. Pedo's are weak and timid and often pathetic and cowardly. Bronies lol are for far more aggressive and outgoing.
Or it's just the whisky talking.
Also, why the feth is a aussie still putting up with GW, is the real question.
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
I know that he does it to push buttons. I've seen his other posts in similar threads. Just this one needed to be clarified because he actively drew a link between MLP and mental instability, and people who don't know about either may believe him. We can't have him misleading people.
I have no issue with people disliking MLP, I've never seen it but I don't think I'd like it, but even then I wouldn't say someone is a pedo for liking it, just as I wouldn't want to be called a pedo for enjoying Tangled every time I watch it.
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
Or perhaps it's a bit closer to the truth than you feel comfortable with?
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
Or perhaps it's a bit closer to the truth than you feel comfortable with?
Well its not close to the truth in the statement that it is extremely indicative of an unhealthy mental state. That he doesn't like it is accurate, but the link that he stated is not.
I'm sorry if this post is reiterating a point already made, but
1) I don't like either of them, and
2) It's because they're both extremely unsettling.
Furries remind me of the sexual fetish far, far too much. Also, the sheer irrationality of wanting to be an animal terrifies me - it's exactly the part of humanity I despise, the animistic.
Bronies are another example of horrifying irrationality. Honestly, I've seen the best shows - one of my best friends is a brony, and basically ties us down and shows us the "best episodes." They're really, really, obviously a children's show targeted towards little girls. None of this "sophisticated for adults" crap. It's terrifying.
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
Or perhaps it's a bit closer to the truth than you feel comfortable with?
insaniak wrote:Pony Marines fit into the 40K fluff no better than Furry Marines do. It's a mix of genres that some people will enjoy for the novelty value, and some will hate as going against the grimdarkness of the 40K background.
I could not have said it better. They both do not fit in the 40K world, so they both do not belong there.
Werewolves are fine, but they are not what the 40k Setting is about.
MLP is not to my liking, I dislike every pic and avatar of anything related to MLP*. It looks like a bunch of bubblegum sweetheart infused things geared towards little girls.
*Exception, the following MLP themed pic is pretty fantastic.
Anyone who watches/reads or otherwise associates themselves in anyway with my little pony or any other equally ridiculous pony cult thing in any amount should be banished from the planet left stranded in space until they pop.
these people include but are not limited to memekids who mention ponies. or actualy all memekids, bronys anyone with a pony sig the guy that made the spacemarine pony army and posted pictures of that monstrosity anyone who owns a shirt or any other article of clothing with a pony on it.
i think you get the idea
also i play 40k to wage awesome wars against the awesome races in the games setting, not to fight ponies in power armor because my opponent spends to much time on a forrum involved in some pony story so much that he cant even play a game of 40k without having ponies involved. if i wanted to play with ponies id go to the little girls section of toymart and get a few not play 40k and ruin everyone elses day, i dont even like seeing that crap in the same store im in
I think people don't understand or refuse to acknowledge that kids shows can be actually aimed at their parent too. Believe you me, watching hours of Teletubbies with my nieces and nephews was mind numbly painful. I actually heard some of my brain cells popping like Lemmings. Is it so hard to comprehend that some shows may have some (or most) of the content watchable/enjoyable for adults so parents won't die of a stroke? Why do you think Disney / Pixar etc. is so successful? Because parents will happily watch it with their kids.
I do however feel that sometimes Bronies and Furries go a bit too far. Like with every hobby: if you don't find it interesting and somebody else won't stop talking about, it will drive you nuts. I would chuckle and enjoy playing pony-based armies or one with the cutie marks or the furry one. As long as, like somebody here already mentioned, it would be nicely done ("no McDonnalds toys").
As for people throwing 'pedos' around :
Look, you are playing a game aimed directly at children. It's time to start taking your sex-drive killing medication because you are a ticking time bomb.
Mr Hyena wrote:
Egyptian-influenced. It goes back a LOT further than Anime. (Anime really only applies to catboys/girls and manga artworks)
There is a distinct difference between furries (a subculture of folks who enjoy cute anthropomorphic personas or artwork), otherkin (folks who appropriate very loose versions of older "spirit-animal" beliefs with no respect for the cultural, historical, practical and educational context of said beliefs) and ancient Egyptians/Amerindians/Celts/whoever else, to whom these beliefs were deadly serious, rooted in daily interaction with said animals, and whom did not have access to Wikipedia and thus felt perhaps the whims of a powerful dude with a crocodile head was a good explanation for the vagaries of crocodilian behavior.
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Furries remind me of the sexual fetish far, far too much. Also, the sheer irrationality of wanting to be an animal terrifies me - it's exactly the part of humanity I despise, the animistic.
You seem to be making the assumption that someone liking furries is automatically someone who dresses up as a furry and wants to be an animal, which I find a little odd. I like Batman... But I don't dress up as him, or pretend to be some sort of vigilante.
And for those making judgements on peoples' sexual deviancy based on them liking a cartoon or a genre you don't like... Seriously? Have you ever seen those old Chick Tracts about the evils of Dungeons and dragons? This sort of attitude seriously reminds me of that bizarre level of closed-minded refusal to understand something you don't like.
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Furries remind me of the sexual fetish far, far too much. Also, the sheer irrationality of wanting to be an animal terrifies me - it's exactly the part of humanity I despise, the animistic.
You seem to be making the assumption that someone liking furries is automatically someone who dresses up as a furry and wants to be an animal, which I find a little odd. I like Batman... But I don't dress up as him, or pretend to be some sort of vigilante.
And for those making judgements on peoples' sexual deviancy based on them liking a cartoon or a genre you don't like... Seriously? Have you ever seen those old Chick Tracts about the evils of Dungeons and dragons? This sort of attitude seriously reminds me of that bizarre level of closed-minded refusal to understand something you don't like.
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
People who just think animals are cool are called "Environmentalists" 'round these parts.
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
Furry fandom is if you like anthropomorphized animals to a great extent (Somewhat like star fox type animals), it doesn't mean you have to be sexually on it, you can just be a fan of those types of things without it being sexual.
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
Furry fandom is if you like anthropomorphized animals to a great extent (Somewhat like star fox type animals), it doesn't mean you have to be sexually on it, you can just be a fan of those types of things without it being sexual.
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
Furry fandom is if you like anthropomorphized animals to a great extent (Somewhat like star fox type animals), it doesn't mean you have to be sexually on it, you can just be a fan of those types of things without it being sexual.
According to that second wikipedia article, only 21% of furries have no sexual interest in the topic. And it says furry, not fursuits.
EDIT: Word for word quote: "the remaining 21% stated they have a "non-sexual interest in furry"."
Having checked out the source, there is no source for it, nor numbers.. I hate when they don't list the friggen numbers, 21% could mean from 50,000 people to 5! Ugh.
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
Furry fandom is if you like anthropomorphized animals to a great extent (Somewhat like star fox type animals), it doesn't mean you have to be sexually on it, you can just be a fan of those types of things without it being sexual.
According to that second wikipedia article, only 21% of furries have no sexual interest in the topic. And it says furry, not fursuits.
EDIT: Word for word quote: "the remaining 21% stated they have a "non-sexual interest in furry"."
Having checked out the source, there is no source for it, nor numbers.. I hate when they don't list the friggen numbers, 21% could mean from 50,000 people to 5! Ugh.
LOL! The source does indeed 404 me (source 11). But you can certainly see the source of my concern and consternation towards furries in that article.
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Isn't that what a Furry is? Perhaps it is different elsewhere, but in Texas (where I'm from) and Pennsylvania (where I am now) the term "Furry" is usually exclusively reserved for people who actually dress up as animals to have sex.
A furry is just an anthropomorphised animal. The characters from Disney's Robin Hood, Star Fox, and Gummy Bears would all be examples of this in action.
It's also applied to people who like to dress up as furries... And that's not just a sexual thing. Cosplay is just for mostly just for fun.
In the context of the question posed at the start of this thread, the former would be the relevant application. A furry marine army would just be an army made up of anthropomorphic animal space marines.
Enjoying MLP is indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state and extremely unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things. It's like creepy old men in trench-coats trying to play with young kids at the park: Maybe he's legit and just likes to play with kids. But more likely...
No, a mental illness is indicated by things like personal suffering, maladaptiveness, irrationality or incomprehensibility (not 'its irrational that someone likes MLP', more 'people who are hallucinating are reacting irrationally because it is false stimulus they respond to'), unpredictability and loss of control, vividness, and more. Liking a television show is not indicative of an extremely unhealthy mental state, nor an unhealthy fascination with children and child-like things.
All of his comments about MLP are like this, he's a bit to obvious in his indications to try and press peoples buttons.
Or perhaps it's a bit closer to the truth than you feel comfortable with?
So... Lauren Faust is part of a mental-illness conpiracy?
motyak wrote:Holy sh** That is a GW TV add. I've never seen a TV add before! That is so cool and cheesy ha
That must have been from so long ago. They were giving something away for FREE!!!
4th edition, the battle for Macragge battle set (Tyranids vs Ultramarines)
Not the full starter set, just a paint set. Googled it, contained three marines, 6 paints and a starter brush. So not a lot but still more than you could get for free nowadays.
First off, I don't hate brownies or MLP but I do hate brownies trying to browninise everything! Brownies should play Fantasy and convert Bretonnian armies to have pony mounts if they want a MLP army.
My daughter is a brownie, she wears a yellow t shirt and brown skorts and has a large brown hanky around her neck.
I have never heard of furries or whatever other sick pastime people might have in their room at night when their mums have delivered their meals.
The fact is, this part of the forum is 40k. With a set range of rules and models as introduced by the manufacturers and as far as I'm aware they don't include leeway for wired sexual fetish nonsense introduced by outsiders.
Got a friend that's started a Space Wolf army with loads of wolves, TWC, and wolf-headed marines. Pretty sick I must say! Don't really think Space Ponies would be as thrilling, however.
rockerbikie wrote:First off, I don't hate brownies or MLP but I do hate brownies trying to browninise everything! Brownies should play Fantasy and convert Bretonnian armies to have pony mounts if they want a MLP army.
Dude, it's brony. Not browny. I believe the second is food. Just to point that out...
rockerbikie wrote:First off, I don't hate brownies or MLP but I do hate brownies trying to browninise everything! Brownies should play Fantasy and convert Bretonnian armies to have pony mounts if they want a MLP army.
Dude, it's brony. Not browny. I believe the second is food. Just to point that out...
It's country specific. In the uk a brownie is a small girl a bit like a scout. Then US baked a cake and called it a brownie and thought they'd invented the term (as usual) and the UK being ever in their shadow (apparently), adopted the affair mentioned cake but kept the girls association name. Just to point that out...
SpiritOfKantor wrote:I have never heard of furries or whatever other sick pastime people might have in their room at night when their mums have delivered their meals.
And again with the completely wrong impressions...
Can we just drop the discussion of odd sexual interests and focus on the actual topic? The discussion at hand is about Marine armies made of ponies vs Marine armies made of anthropomorphic animals.
If you really want to discuss what people wear in the bedroom, there are other forums for that.
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SpiritOfKantor wrote:It's country specific. In the uk a brownie is a small girl a bit like a scout.
A Brownie is a fairy. The junior girl guides are named after them.
Can we just drop the discussion of odd sexual interests and focus on the actual topic? The discussion at hand is about Marine armies made of ponies vs Marine armies made of anthropomorphic animals.
Neither. Plain and simple. Burn either of them to ashes. Even those woe-begotten traitors would agree with me on this, or the arrogant Eldar and inscrutable Necrons.
I didnt think either were ok in the eyes of people who take their man dollies too seriously. I would have to agree that ponies and furries have no place in 40K but hell, it's your hobby and haters gonna hate so do what ever the feth you like and ignore who ever says that ponies in power armor are stupid, I know I do. There will always be people too immature to accept that a fandom or two might cross into their hobby and these people are not worth your time. If someone wont play your furry marines then chances are they weren't worth playing in the first place
Also, to all of you throwing pedo comments at bronies.....what do you think non wargamers thing of you, hunched over a table surrounded by kids in a dark store, muttering about your man dollies -____-
Vladsimpaler wrote:For example, THIS is funny to me.
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I've seen this picture several times and had it as my desktop background at one point, But I only just got the "blood-letters" thing when someone said it...
SpiritOfKantor wrote:My daughter is a brownie, she wears a yellow t shirt and brown skorts and has a large brown hanky around her neck.
I have never heard of furries or whatever other sick pastime people might have in their room at night when their mums have delivered their meals.
The fact is, this part of the forum is 40k. With a set range of rules and models as introduced by the manufacturers and as far as I'm aware they don't include leeway for wired sexual fetish nonsense introduced by outsiders.
Get a grip!
I'd recommend you look at the rules for entering the Open category of Golden Demon. In GWs own words "anything goes"
lord_blackfang wrote:Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.
Kantor wrote:I have never heard of furries or whatever other sick pastime people might have in their room at night when their mums have delivered their meals.
Furry as in 'anthropomorphised animals', not as in 'gfur' or 'sfur'...
... and that actually needed to be said?
As for OP, both are awesome if the miniatures are well converted. Make the fat neckbeards rage, OP, you know your fabulous!
I was actually talking about this with my 40k friends the other night. It seems to me that the OP (who is probably a furry looking for vindication) saw how many bronies we have on here and figures that that means that everyone accepts them. Which is obviously wrong, as we've already seen for the last 6 pages.
As for pony/furry Marines, I don't think either belongs in 40k. Their tone doesn't jive with the fiction unless you make massive concessions. That said, if you want to make a pony/furry army then obviously it's your army, money and time, and you can go right ahead and do so. I don't think I'd play you though (I don't think I'd play that oh-so-clever guy who made the "Blood letter" army in the pic a few posts above either).
And before someone says it, yes, I play Space Wolves, but you're not anthropomorphic, they are human... And as much as people dislike the connection, furries as a fandom are inexorably linked with a fetish, even though there are 100% innocent furries as well of course.
The former makes more sense cause he is a chaos space marine and prolly got some chaos blessing to make him part animal
I think both are in good fun. I've skimmed over this thread and am a bit surprised by the strength of feeling against stuff that doesn't 'fit' with the GW approved game. I mean seriously? Who gives a damn?? When I saw a MLP drawn to look like Dr Who I thought it was good, I didn't get my panties in a wad saying "But it doesn't fit the canon!!"
Crossover fiction is FUN, goofy, stupid fun. Get out there are look at the wargaming hobby and the silly games that exist. I've got one where you play alien greys kidnapping sheep and trying to avoid the farmer and his dog (and a hedgehog oddly enough). There are some really goofy games about, and you people complain because someone wants to stick a tail on a Space Marine?
No one is forcing you to play someone's army, and the posts suggesting links between furries and being sexually dangerous/paedophilic are just insane. To those saying 'not acceptable' and the like, lighten up and get over it, the hobby is what each person makes of it.
I dunno, I find furry Marines weirder than MLP Marines because furry Marines are more of a sexual things, but MLP marines less so. Still, they're both weird and kinda creepy.
moom241 wrote:And now there are female space marines ITT.
Lord help us all.
Actually, female space marines would go a long way about making this universe more believable. What's the horsecawk all fanboys love for if not?
That and non-crippled using dreadnoughts...
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DarknessEternal wrote:Find one brony that isn't one just so he can say "I'm a 20 year old man and I like my little pony, aren't I a novel character; I'm so wacky".
I actually just went over the synopsis on Wiki, and honestly, MLP's fluff is just strait better than 40K. Even the caracter development is better handled... At the very least, it doesn't attempt to make chainsword-wielding rapist genocidal half deamons from SPAAAACE acceptable in a kiddie's media...
I don't have much of a problem with Furry stuff, Beastmen exist in W40K. Trying to fit anthropomorphic animals in W40K is better than trying to fit a specific show or set of characters in, they make more sense than the Pony stuff atleast.
Kovnik Obama wrote:
I actually just went over the synopsis on Wiki, and honestly, MLP's fluff is just strait better than 40K. Even the caracter development is better handled... At the very least, it doesn't attempt to make chainsword-wielding rapist genocidal half deamons from SPAAAACE acceptable in a kiddie's media...
I dunno if I would go that far, but it is actually a pretty well written show.
To explain, I'm 28, I'm a dude, and my girlfriend forced me to watch it with her until I finally admitted it was a pretty good show. The characters have well-developed personalities, there's a lot of snarky humor, occasional innuendo, movie and pop culture references or spoofs, and generally lots of stuff thrown in for adults. Given that my girlfriend has a 3 year old daughter, I will say that when the kid asks to watch Ponies instead of Dora the Explorer or some other hellish show, it's a big relief.
All that said, the line I draw is, "Are you actually trying to shoehorn some other fiction into 40k, or are you just doing this for kicks?"
If you want an army of Space Marines with fox heads because you're into that, and you make up a story for it, I'm going to pretend like you never told me that. It will never really jive with the fluff for me, end of story. If you seriously want to make a wolf-man Space Wolf army, you're toeing the line, but I can accept it.
But if you're making a goofy fem-marine, fur-marine, or pony marine army just for kicks, either as a spoof or a fun crossover or just to flex your modeling skills, I think it's awesome, and you should go to town. I've personally never seen a ponyhammer army that looked like a serious attempt at splicing ponies into the Imperium. Like an earlier poster said, there are parallels you can draw between the shows while highlighting the complete difference in tone to humorous effect. Nothing wrong with that, and if it's well-executed, even better!
LoneLictor wrote:I dunno, I find furry Marines weirder than MLP Marines because furry Marines are more of a sexual things, ...
No. They are not.
For the last time, if you're thinking of sexual behaviour, you're thinking of the wrong kind of furry. Drop it.
That may not be true. It may be true for you, but according to the wikipedia article on furries (and a sociologist's research project) 4/5 furries are in it for some sexual interest. So it is not wrong to presume that when people say "furry" that's what they mean.
Unit1126PLL wrote:That may not be true. It may be true for you, but according to the wikipedia article on furries (and a sociologist's research project) 4/5 furries are in it for some sexual interest.
Because, as we all know, wiki is such a reliable source.
So it is not wrong to presume that when people say "furry" that's what they mean.
Unless you did something crazy like read the first post in this thread, or the numerous posts during the course of it explaining that this wasn't the kind of furry under discussion.
Seriously, it boggles the mind that this even needed to be pointed out once, let along multiple times..
I have found that furries and bronies both tend to be creepy and extremely nerdy, both of which are things I do not enjoy. I personally wouldnt have issue with someone converting their models to be ponies or furries, as they can do whatever they want with their toys, but I dont think I could enjoy a game against that kind of person.
Unit1126PLL wrote:That may not be true. It may be true for you, but according to the wikipedia article on furries (and a sociologist's research project) 4/5 furries are in it for some sexual interest.
Because, as we all know, wiki is such a reliable source.
So it is not wrong to presume that when people say "furry" that's what they mean.
Unless you did something crazy like read the first post in this thread, or the numerous posts during the course of it explaining that this wasn't the kind of furry under discussion.
Seriously, it boggles the mind that this even needed to be pointed out once, let along multiple times..
Wiki is a reliable enough source for my philosophy thesis according to the professor I am working with, as long as it has a citation.
Alright, then, I'll try a different tact, since you aren't understanding what I'm saying:
Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
Wiki is a reliable enough source for my philosophy thesis according to the professor I am working with, as long as it has a citation.
The 4/5th thing has no Citation, no source, and no actual numbers.
Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations.
Do Dark Eldar Wych cult's and Sisters of Battle scare you too? Sorry to poke at this, but I find it funny what with SoB having a literal mistress presiding over a bunch of naked, repenting girls.
Wiki is a reliable enough source for my philosophy thesis according to the professor I am working with, as long as it has a citation.
The 4/5th thing has no Citation, no source, and no actual numbers.
Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations.
Do Dark Eldar Wych cult's and Sisters of Battle scare you too? Sorry to poke at this, but I find it funny what with SoB having a literal mistress presiding over a bunch of naked, repenting girls.
Actually, it does cite a source, but the source is 404'd. However, a quick google search will show you the year that The Furry Sociological Survey was published, the author, and the results, even though the exact webserver hosting it is offline. It isn't fake, quite obviously.
No, they don't scare me. Because BDSM is more acceptable to me than furry-ism (I hesitate to use the word "yiffing" for fear of offending though I've been told it's the proper word within the fandom).
Unit1126PLL wrote:Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
So, does Mickey Mouse scare you? Or Star Fox? Or the Wind in the Willows? Or this guy?:
Exactly what 'sexual connotations' are you seeing in a Space Marine with the head of a dog? Because that's all that is being discussed here.
This isn't some extremem fetish thing. It's about making Marines that are humanised animals walking on their back legs. Like Duckula. Or Danger Mouse. Or the Rescue Rangers. Or any number of other terrifying, fetishistic children's cartoons.
Wiki is a reliable enough source for my philosophy thesis according to the professor I am working with, as long as it has a citation.
The 4/5th thing has no Citation, no source, and no actual numbers.
Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations.
Do Dark Eldar Wych cult's and Sisters of Battle scare you too? Sorry to poke at this, but I find it funny what with SoB having a literal mistress presiding over a bunch of naked, repenting girls.
Actually, it does cite a source, but the source is 404'd. However, a quick google search will show you the year that The Furry Sociological Survey was published, the author, and the results, even though the exact webserver hosting it is offline. It isn't fake, quite obviously.
No, they don't scare me. Because BDSM is more acceptable to me than furry-ism (I hesitate to use the word "yiffing" for fear of offending though I've been told it's the proper word within the fandom).
If you could find me some actual numbers for that Survey. Survey's are my least trusted source, since the way I've seen most, if not nearly all of the way they are generally used is with the subjective manner of who they interview, not to mention having a closed number bias means you can easily figure out who will say what according to statistics.
Alright than, was just curious about that.
Or this guy?:
Huh, I guess the Tauren Marine got bored being in Starcraft.
Unit1126PLL wrote:Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
So, does Mickey Mouse scare you? Or Star Fox? Or the Wind in the Willows? Or this guy?:
Exactly what 'sexual connotations' are you seeing in a Space Marine with the head of a dog? Because that's all that is being discussed here.
This isn't some extremem fetish thing. It's about making Marines that are humanised animals walking on their back legs. Like Duckula. Or Danger Mouse. Or the Rescue Rangers. Or any number of other terrifying, fetishistic children's cartoons.
I guess this is true, theres a pretty big gap between putting beastmen heads on space marines and saying their geneseed got scrambled, and making highly converted BDSM fox marines or 4 legged MLP marines. I think the first one is pretty much a non issue. The 2nd would be extremely awkward and the person who took the time to do that is probably too strange to play against.
Unit1126PLL wrote:Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
So, does Mickey Mouse scare you? Or Star Fox? Or the Wind in the Willows? Or this guy?:
Exactly what 'sexual connotations' are you seeing in a Space Marine with the head of a dog? Because that's all that is being discussed here.
This isn't some extremem fetish thing. It's about making Marines that are humanised animals walking on their back legs. Like Duckula. Or Danger Mouse. Or the Rescue Rangers. Or any number of other terrifying, fetishistic children's cartoons.
Those are not furries. The word "furry" as used in the title of this thread is associated with sexuality, by definition (if you can define such slang terms, I suppose). Unless you broaden the definition to include any anthropomorphized animals anywhere, in which case I think you're overgeneralizing.
Anubis-themed Marines are ok, Darkwing Duck is ok. Mickey Mouse is ok.
Furry-themed Marines are not ok. Because AFAIK, unless you overgeneralize, the term Furry has a distinct sexual connotation.
Unit1126PLL wrote:Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
So, does Mickey Mouse scare you? Or Star Fox? Or the Wind in the Willows? Or this guy?:
Exactly what 'sexual connotations' are you seeing in a Space Marine with the head of a dog? Because that's all that is being discussed here.
This isn't some extremem fetish thing. It's about making Marines that are humanised animals walking on their back legs. Like Duckula. Or Danger Mouse. Or the Rescue Rangers. Or any number of other terrifying, fetishistic children's cartoons.
I guess this is true, theres a pretty big gap between putting beastmen heads on space marines and saying their geneseed got scrambled, and making highly converted BDSM fox marines or 4 legged MLP marines. I think the first one is pretty much a non issue. The 2nd would be extremely awkward and the person who took the time to do that is probably too strange to play against.
Except the second thing isn't under discussion. Just the first and third one.
Unit1126PLL wrote:Furry Marines scare me because of their sexual connotations. From this statement, it follows, then, that any furry marine, no matter the type, would scare me. I understand that there are different types of furries, but based on the numbers and having no internal knowledge of the fandom, I would be leery of all of them.
So, does Mickey Mouse scare you? Or Star Fox? Or the Wind in the Willows? Or this guy?:
Exactly what 'sexual connotations' are you seeing in a Space Marine with the head of a dog? Because that's all that is being discussed here.
This isn't some extremem fetish thing. It's about making Marines that are humanised animals walking on their back legs. Like Duckula. Or Danger Mouse. Or the Rescue Rangers. Or any number of other terrifying, fetishistic children's cartoons.
Those are not furries. The word "furry" as used in the title of this thread is associated with sexuality, by definition (if you can define such slang terms, I suppose). Unless you broaden the definition to include any anthropomorphized animals anywhere, in which case I think you're overgeneralizing.
Anubis-themed Marines are ok, Darkwing Duck is ok. Mickey Mouse is ok.
Furry-themed Marines are not ok. Because AFAIK, unless you overgeneralize, the term Furry has a distinct sexual connotation.
There is no one single definition of what a furry is. Even within the furry fandom, people cannot always agree on just what makes a person a furry or not.
As with any hobby, most furries are normal people just like anyone you'll meet at work/school or going to/from work/school or anywhere. Then there is the small percent that are hard core fans and have taken what for most is a hobby and perverted it (sometimes in an all to literal sense).
Unit1126PLL wrote:Those are not furries. The word "furry" as used in the title of this thread is associated with sexuality, by definition (if you can define such slang terms, I suppose). Unless you broaden the definition to include any anthropomorphized animals anywhere, in which case I think you're overgeneralizing.
Go back and have another look at the rather large picture in the first post of this thread. The one that illustrates just what sort of furry the original question was about.
And yes, the term does apply to pretty much any anthropomorphised animals. As I already explained.
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LORD_PANTERA wrote:Is their a reason for why people would want to change the way Space Marines look?
Because for some fun of the modelling is more important than the background.
Or because they think it will be amusing. Similar to people arguing over whether the Galactic Empire can beat the United Federation of Planets... Batman fought the Predator, and Giger's Alien, and Spawn, and ... well, just about everybody. Not because it makes sense in the established background, but just because some people think that sort of thing is fun.
LoneLictor wrote:I dunno, I find furry Marines weirder than MLP Marines because furry Marines are more of a sexual things, ...
No. They are not.
For the last time, if you're thinking of sexual behaviour, you're thinking of the wrong kind of furry. Drop it.
Insaniak, I usually agree with everything you say... but you're missing the point here. To many of us, the fact that a significant amount of the people who self identify as "furries" have a sexual connection to it IS WHY we have an issue with people getting all excited about anthro animals in a 40k army. To us, anthros are different than animalistic daemons or werewolf like marines. Its not so much the What it is the Why, and the deviant sexual behavior being dropped into a rather PG-13 setting with its own lore is what makes us dislike and disapprove.
If someone sits across from me and tells about his Space Lions, and goes through how he liked the idea of space wolves, but wanted thunder lion cavalry, and roman-like lion standards and lion paws on everything, I'm cool with it. If instead, they proudly announce that they like furries and based each squad off a Gold Digger character (good friend of mine is really into this series, so I'm passingly familiar with it), I'm a little weirded out, but whatever. Finally, if the person says they are a furry and therefore made they army all foxlike as that fits their persona, I'm not playing them. They have crossed the line. Too much of another interest (and a questionable one at that) being interjected. I might add that if someone was really into fishing (which I also like) and did their entire army as men with fishing poles and their rhinos where bass boats, I'd feel like they also crossed the line. This is 40k. Play 40k, be creative, make it your own, build it in a way that interests you, but at the end of the day, it needs to still be 40k.
Same with a brony army. If a force is painted powder blue and has the symbol of a MLP character, again, weird, but whatever. If there's ponies instead of bikes, and rainbows everywhere and human heads are replaced with ponies, and things look like something my little sisters played with in the 80s, its not 40k anymore. You can't break the setting and lore and expect people to be ok with it (we're a little invested in it, and that means some people will take it personally if you shove something that doesn't fit into the setting). Subtle changes, fine; turning it into something else, well that's going to be met with fierce resistance. If you don't get it, too bad, but that's the way it is.
Lobukia wrote: Play 40k, be creative, make it your own, build it in a way that interests you, but at the end of the day, it needs to still be 40k.
You realise you're essentially just saying 'Play it my way, or youre doing it wrong...'?
In a game that includes Space Marines riding giant gerbils, 'Sly Marbo' and the Blood Angels with their Bloody Blood-weapons of Bloodness, is it any wonder that some people don't take the background too seriously?
Lobukia wrote: Play 40k, be creative, make it your own, build it in a way that interests you, but at the end of the day, it needs to still be 40k.
You realise you're essentially just saying 'Play it my way, or youre doing it wrong...'?
Not at all. There are basic expectations in 40k. You can push or violate those, when you do, you increase the risk of people feeling like you've gone to far. Its like a dinner party. You can come slightly under dressed, and get some looks. You can come way under dressed and hope your good reasons are enough. You also come dressed in a manner that most people find unacceptable for a dinner party, just don't be surprised if they don't like it. You can whine about them saying "their way or the highway" but that's the nature of these things, and if you didn't know that before (and you should have), you'll know it afterwards.
Certain groups have different expectations for a dinner party, if you don't know the group well enough and they ask you not to come back due to you not meeting their expectations (which you knowingly pushed), that's your own dumb fault. Furries and bronies are so proud of their ability to push and defy norms (kudos to them). When you push at people's perception, you get some push back. If you're pushing gamers so far that they push back, you've usually crossed some serious lines and in the end, they're not the ones left out, you are.
I'm all for people doing their thing (like the people who wouldn't play a guy because he had a white painted army that had a MLP symbol is just silly). But people need to learn that if you want to march to the beat of a different drum, that's fine, but that also means some times your "unique" little force is just too different for the rest of us to stomach.
This is badass. I would love to play against this army. However, if the owner likes to get dressed up in a fursuit, I dont want to hear about it.
I guess with furries it boils down to this.
Did you convert those marines up as animals because you feel it gives them a more savage or frightening appearance? Or is it because you have a sexual attraction to animals?
I dont see any excuse for bronyism though, liking a tv show made for little girls is pretty sad.
I dunno, are you trying to pass them off as Blood Angels or Chaos marines? Do you know the local club enough to know if they'll go for it?
Now if you showed up at my club (12 members) or any FLGS around here with that as Chaos Marines, no one would care and anyone would play you... but unless that's your plan, my input is irrelevant.
....however, if you go on about how you love dressing up as a goat and such and tell people about the furry conventions you go to, many of the above players will be less interested, and I know some would pass. Is that fair, probably not, but that doesn't mean that isn't the way it is, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't know enough to see the natural consequence of that action.
Lobukia wrote:....however, if you go on about how you love dressing up as a goat and such and tell people about the furry conventions you go to, ....
...which was never the focus of this thread.
The question asked was about modelling your army.
See, this is what I mean. Connect the dots for crying out loud. OP wanted to know why people don't like furry armies... and constantly people are saying its because of people dressing up like cartoon animals and calling themselves furries is just too wrong for them. Whether the two are really connected or not is irrelevant, perception has become the reality. Players perceive the furry armies to be associated with sexual and social deviance that is beyond what they are comfortable with and it is too far beyond the social norms the 40k community has (which again, says something). You can dislike that reason, you can tell people to stop telling you the reason, you can insist that people answer the question without giving you reasons you don't want to hear, but that is still the reason.
Lobukia wrote:See, this is what I mean. Connect the dots for crying out loud.
There are no dots to connect. You can keep yelling all you want that how you model your army is in some way linked to a desire to dress up in furry ears, and it won't make it any more true than insisting that people who like Batman clearly have issues because you heard somewhere that some guy who liked Batman once punched somebody.
It's a ludicrous connection, and if people are having trouble seeing past it, maybe they need to stop and examine their own unreasonable biases, rather than insisting that some kid who thought that plonking a fox head on his space marine would be fun is some sort of sexual deviate.
However, since certain posters do seem to be incapable of separating the idea of 'liking furries' from 'dressing up as a furry', I think this thread is done.
up by the warp and chaos mutations.
