In the twilight years of the Nineteenth Century, mankind is perched upon a new age of discovery and enlightenment. But beneath the hope and optimism, a rising darkness taints the air, touching the heart of every man, woman, and child. The United States has clawed its way out of a terrible civil war, but the wounds are deep. The nation finds itself poised on the edge of ruin, the agony of division eating at its very marrow.
Into this dark time a light of hope emerges, carried from the Old World by Dr. Burson Carpathian, scientist, visionary, and would be savior. But Dr. Carpathian, too, follows a path laid out for him by the darkest of powers: a force of remorseless spite. The Dark Council.
New Science collides with ancient malevolence, and a technology powered by the very essence of evil itself moves to crush the hearts and minds of men. Outlaws grasp for wealth and renown in the turbulent chaos, while once noble leaders strive to defend nations that now exist only in their memories. Brilliant minds are turned onto dark, forbidden paths as every life is twisted by the bitter touch of the Dark Council, unlocking the foul potential within each man’s soul.
These are the twilight years of the nineteenth century. There is no certain future as a continent is torn asunder, each isolated faction struggling to maintain their share of power beneath the gathering darkness.
Wild West Exodus is a dynamic, fast-paced semi-skirmish game pitting a cast of brutal characters against each other in a world very much like our own, but twisted by the forces of deepest evil. Characters in Wild West Exodus are balanced upon the edge of a knife, a horrible death waiting patiently on either side. They move swiftly across the table, they fight with frightening speed and lethal skill, and they die abruptly.
An advanced D10 system is coupled with an innovative Influence mechanic to simulate the powers of the Dark Council upon their unwitting pawns. Players must choose how they will gamble with the power of their patrons: spread the Influence throughout a turn, hoping to ease destiny onto a brighter path, or hold the influence, to be entirely cast upon one roll of the dice?
The range of actions available to characters in the game is nearly limitless as players attempt to take destiny into their own hands, gambling their Influence away in an attempt to mitigate the misfortunes of strong opposition and bad luck.
Supporting the growth of this world will be a regular comic book series that will continue the development and progress of the world and the dark characters that live in it, as well as providing new rules, new models, missions, and more!
A full range of highly detailed 35mm models, sculpted by some of the best digital sculptors in the industry and produced using the latest, highest level of technology, will drive this action-based whirlwind of darkness and death into an ever-evolving future brimming with desolation and despair.
Join us on our dark journey into an alternate history where a hidden evil strives to corrupt even the purest champions of Man. Take your first step upon this dread path, and visit www.wildwestexodus.com today!
I agree with what everyone else is saying, i think its way too premature to be advertising your game on here when we won't have a single shred of information about it for at least another month.
Plus i did a Google search for the 'Wildwestexodus' website and the fact that the quote below is what is listed in the preview bar really makes it look like a spam website.
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It looks simple enough, obviously some sort of war/card/board/video game set in the old/futuristic/grimdark west with or without a steampunk twist. I don't see what everyone is so upset about.
Honestly, I think everyone here likes a cool upstart, and I'll remain cautiously optimistic. Though, like everyone else, I'm sure, I'll just forget about this company for three months until something more comes of it.
And to the proprietor of Outlaw Minis, I think most people are far more into the full disclosure aspect of the hobby as opposed to the mystery release. I'm looking forward to more information, as we all are.
The proprietor is Romeo Filip. The site is registered to him, and uses the same phone number as the Battle Foam Gaming Saloon. It's not a great mystery.
Is omen trying to get a job with GW in their marketing department?
Seriously though, this is the same type of hype we get with GW, the only difference is that GW has enough leaks that we already know what the product is going to be. I have never heard of outlaw miniatures so Maybe it deserves more vitriol than GW, but personal attacks???
So looks like battlefoam are getting into the miniature business directly (or rather the owner of battlefoam has a new company making miniatures)? More competition in wargaming is always welcome.
Where else would you post a teaser about an upcoming miniature game if not on the News & Rumours board of a forum about miniature games where people will likely be looking for new things that are on the horizon?
The entire point of a sub-forum like this that you connect stuff upcoming/happening with the people interested in stuff upcoming/happening, no?
I don't see what's worth getting so upset about. Looks to me like a bit of supernatural wild west stuff. I'm interested enough to check in on it again.
Red_Zeke wrote: I don't see what's worth getting so upset about. Looks to me like a bit of supernatural wild west stuff. I'm interested enough to check in on it again.
Yup.
But if it goes down that way, it better have a GIANT SPIDER! They are fierce.
That model looks great, It makes me wonder why they didn't just start off the thread with those images instead of posting that pointless teaser video...
Never thought I would see the day that /tg was more tame than dakka dakka. About the art not quite sure what to think I've been surprised before so I'll wait around for more info.
Well, that's a 30mm base he's sitting on; I'd say he's a wee bit large for IG, but doable as a hero.
As a genetically enhanced inquisitor type, just perfectly
Do those count as three figures available, or are there going to be more? They kinda remind me of that old 80's cartoon with the space cowboys, Bravestar.
Need to see some Sam Cobra, or Johnny West action in there with the updated scifi look.
So far, I see the horse thing. Are there going to be some figures on those horses in this game? How high does that beast stand in comparison to the figures on hand? ( if I got one, could I put other cowboy figures on them?)
Q. Any details on the scale of the game, factions, etc. or will this just all be revealed in a few months...
A. The models will range from 35mm to 60mm depending on model and fluff. Because we sculpt in 3D all models will have a more natural look to them. This will keep the higher 35mm size from looking large and odd. We wanted to go with a larger scale because the game will feature 10 to 30 models during most games.
Q. Do those count as three figures available, or are there going to be more?
A. As we get closer to 2-1-2013 more information will be revealed. Currently our team is working on 40 models that will be part of release 1. Our goal is to have 60 models out by GenCon with 1 light support choice and 1 heavy support vehicle for each faction. Total model count by GenCon could be 70.
Q. So far, I see the horse thing. Are there going to be some figures on those horses in this game? How high does that beast stand in comparison to the figures on hand?
A. All of our factions will have mounted troops. The picture below is of a Heavy Support Choice for one of the factions. As you can see by the 35mm man size model they will be huge.
While a larger scale has it's merits (better detail, ease of painting) breaking incrementally from industry standard poses some problems, as well. For me, and a lot of us here, I can't stand model creep that makes my long-collected and crafted terrain begin to look like it was made for Hobbits. Add to that fact that most terrain manufacturers aren't selling items in these larger scales (yet?) and our options become limited. I don't have much time to paint models so I certainly will not be building (re-building) terrain from scratch to accommodate scale creep.
Just my two coins worth. I'm still looking forward to this !!
While a larger scale has it's merits (better detail, ease of painting) breaking incrementally from industry standard poses some problems, as well. For me, and a lot of us here, I can't stand model creep that makes my long-collected and crafted terrain begin to look like it was made for Hobbits. Add to that fact that most terrain manufacturers aren't selling items in these larger scales (yet?) and our options become limited. I don't have much time to paint models so I certainly will not be building (re-building) terrain from scratch to accommodate scale creep.
Just my two coins worth. I'm still looking forward to this !!
Do note that Malifaux and Warmahordes is 32mm. It's usually fine for people such as myself that keep fantasy at 32mm and scifi at 28mm. Ironically Dystopian Legions is now advertising as 32mm as well, so that fits.
Then again, it also does raise the awkwardness that this Something Wicked game set conflicts heavily with all the other, more established Weird Wild West and Steampunk games such as Dystopian Legions, MAS's Wolslung, and especially Malifaux.
Considering Battlefoam sells licensed bags to Spartan Games and Wyrd, it seems incredibly awkward to produce a competing product like this.
As for terrain, depending on the scale of the game, the made-for-Malifaux Terraclips by World Works fits both the scale and theme of this.
Our current plan is to offer the miniatures in Resin and Metal. We feel that the level of detail that can be achieved with 3D modeling will translate very nicely to the actual models.
We had originally intended to design the models in plastic but found that it required capital that could be spent on designing new models instead of tooling.
We also spoke to many gamers that preferred the traditional metal minis over most all other choices.
We would also like to comment on the continued mention of Battle Foam and Romeo in this thread. The Outlaw Miniatures team is made up of many hard working people looking to build a great game.
It is in no way part of Battle Foam outside of getting bags made by them. Romeo is a large part of the team because it is his concept and fluff. The rest of the team is made up of graphic artists, sculptors, painters, and gamers.
This new world is being created to bring forward a new and exciting IP to the market dealing strictly with the wild west. What Battle Foam does with its partners has nothing to do with this nor does this project effect Battle Foam.
One of Romeo's main points was that his dedication rests with his partners and the hard work needed at Battle Foam. That was the only way he would sign up for this.
In the end its more about our team then any one person. It takes a dedicated group to create something as special as Wild West Exodus.
I'm actually looking forward to this. Not sure if I want to jump in on a kickstarter (if that's where this is heading), but I'll be eagerly watching its development. I'm a big fan of alternate Wild West settings.
With our date quickly approaching we wanted to ask the gamers a questions. Wild West Exodus will feature 4 factions to start.
The Union
The Enlightened
The Warrior Nation
The Outlaws
We want to hear from you what faction you would want us to release first? From time to time we will reach out to our facebook members and twitter followers to get your opinion. This will include what characters should release first, what vehicles look cooler, and so on. The point will be to have our community make as many decisions as possible in the creation of our game and future releases.
The key will be to allow the customer to have a bigger say in what happens with our company. This way more of you will feel part of the world we are creating instead of just watching it unfold.
So our first questions to you is a big one. The order of factions being released is a big one. What faction would you most like to see come out after the first 4 listed above?
The Lawmen
The Holy Order
The Confederate Rebels
You can post it here as we check this regularly or you can like us on facebook and give us your answer there.
We also spoke to many gamers that preferred the traditional metal minis over most all other choices.
That's gotta be declining on a daily basis. I'm done with metal, after 20 years of using lead/pewter/tin figures. It's too expensive and I don't have time or patience to pin everything anymore. Trollcast and restic and plastiresin is cheaper, lighter, more durable, and holds more detail (especially Trollcast... Red Box Games figures somehow have even more details when cast in Trollcast vs pewter)
Currently we are testing the overall quality of the minis in both metal and resin.
We want to create the best models possible so nothing is off limits. The key we have found is in the basic design starting with the sculpt. New technology like 3D printing allows us to really push the boundaries on fine details across the range.
With our kickstarter just around the corner we will be setting up the models in such a way that some of them will go to plastic if goals are reached.
This is something that can only be achieved if we have the support of the gaming community. If our game and world has no interest than metal will more than likely be the way we go.
If we see our goals being met we will stretch to plastic with as many pieces as possible.
Like many of you we would love to design these minis in plastic but without a strong audience it just does not make financial sense. That is why so many companies stick to metal.
We are just as curious as some of you regarding the interest to our idea. More to come in the following weeks leading up to the KS campaign.
Look for a very special fluff piece being released on Christmas day via our facebook page. We may even have a cool surprise in the form of our first heavy support choice.
1.) I love the idea of a sci-fi wild west, so there's that.
2.) Metal is dead IMO. It made sense for the time but in 2013 I think that time is largely past; the market has shown people understand the costs and are willing to pay more for resin if it's done well*.
We could not agree with you guys more. Metal is great for small details on vehicles or large models but actual figures tend to come out bad.
Infinity is the exception when it comes to this. They have done such a nice job with their metal that they can stay with it and keep tooling costs down.
For us starting new it's a crap shoot. We agree that resin if done right more to the tune of Forgeworld and not finecast you can have great results.
In a perfect world with everyones support we would go to plastic for most of our minis and leave the one off models in resin. Very similar to how GW does their line.
The core troops and large run items in plastic and the special characters in resin. (not finecast)
Really it's a lot to think about and decide on as we inch closer to our date.
Just so everyone knows the models you will see from us over the next several weeks are done in resin. That is the quality each and every model will be expected to have or they will not ship.
These 4 pages are a small part of the Enlightened faction's Dr. Carpathian back story. Look for the rule book to have over 150 pages of stories and fluff on all the characters of Wild West Exodus. The adventure will continue every 2 months with the official comic book series titled Wild West Exodus as well.
As a bonus we included the first ever released images of Dr. Carpathian's Heavy Support Choice the evil "Doomsday" transport.
Merry Christmas to everyone from us at Outlaw Miniatures.
It's a little awkward to turn the Indian Chief made famous for his pacifistic stand in the midst of a battle... and turn it into a werewolf with two daggers.
Also, interesting Twilight reference with the native american faction turning into werewolves.
The Warrior Nation actually have the ability to turn into any animal they want. It's part of their spirit power. The wolf along with bear and bobcat are their war animals. Sitting Bull is actually prepairing for battle and has chosen the wolf for speed and agility reflected in his game stats.
The Warrior Nation back story will also cover their abilities and why they choose them.
As for the bases the game uses round bases only. The angle in the image is a bit misleading.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: The Warrior Nation actually have the ability to turn into any animal they want. It's part of their spirit power. The wolf along with bear and bobcat are their war animals. Sitting Bull is actually prepairing for battle and has chosen the wolf for speed and agility reflected in his game stats.
The Warrior Nation back story will also cover their abilities and why they choose them.
As for the bases the game uses round bases only. The angle in the image is a bit misleading.
Just because something fits in with your "fluff" doesn't meen its still not in bad taste.
I don't see the bad taste honestly but i can understand others take on it. For me i may buy into the KS but if it's metal then not a chance. Plastic is to expensive but resin is not. I am personally hesitant for two reasons the first is i don't really buy into Romeo not having control especially as the painter is one of his sales reps but.more products that go ks don't sell well for us retail folks as people have everything they want and need for a.while. All of that said i have been following the facebook since it launched and they are great minis it will just all depend on the final product for me.
I didn't mean to say it was offensive.
It's just awkward.
It's like taking a four-armed guy in a turban, giving him four pistols, and naming him Mahatma Gandhi without the tiniest shred of irony.
It's funny when games like BANG! open up an encyclopedia and shoe-horn in famous western characters for the sake of jokes. It's just awkward when it's done straight.
Games like Malifaux are blatant about their influences (Hamelin, Rasputina, etc) but at least have their own flavor.
Games like Warmachine and 40k have light influences in the factions, but the flavor is wholly their own.
Games like Infinity take a "what-if" projection into the future grounded in reality. They have a contrived yet believable reason for famous characters in the past running around.
I'm not understanding why Jesse James and Chief Sitting Bull are running around a western/cyberpunk landscape sharing names with people of the past.
Even Stephen King's Gunslinger combines Western influences with SciFi, Fantasy, and Acid Trips without relying on famous characters.
Overall, it's simply awkward that a giant caricature of a Native American is running around with axes sharing the name with a famous historical pacifist from the past.
Not offensive... just... awkward...
I'm in this for Craig Gallant. I've been an avid D6 fan for a while now, and I enjoyed the fluff post on Xmas. I've subscribed to the comic, but will I KS it? Probably not unless it's the kind of deal Zombicide was and the comic and rules are stellar. I really like Weird Wild West as a theme.
I don't think you can make an assessment of the game's content (even a Werewolf Sitting Bull) until you've read the fluff. I'm not sure where your Sitting Bull pacifism thing is coming from either. From a cursory review of some off the shelf resources he led raids and supported them. It's like saying Lincoln was a rabid Abolitionist, and not a complicated Illinois, white freesoiler...
We also spoke to many gamers that preferred the traditional metal minis over most all other choices.
I'd stop listening to these idiots. Do it in plastic if at all possible. A troll forged style resin is the 2nd best option. Metal comes in 2nd to last, ahead of only dried playdoh.
If the models are metal you can count me out of the KS.
call me old-school, but i don't have a problem with metal...
i am happy about every old metal GW mini i own, that has since been coverted to Finecast, and bummed about every cool new mini that has come out in it...
i love well-cast resin, and plastics are great, but i don't see any problem with metal minis...
pinning is not an issue, since i paint in parts, and use pins to hold the piece in an Exacto handle anyway...
miscasts are not any more common than your average resin mini, and metal minis are solid and durable...
thin parts are just as likely to snap, no matter the material, and clean-up seems to take the same amount of time with all three mediums...
call me crazy, but i just like cool minis, that are cast well, and a joy to paint...
once the primer goes on it all paints the same to me...
best of luck with this project...
it looks like there will be some great sculpts to paint...
The more models that you need to play the game, the more they need to be plastic (or plastic resin) just to make transporting them easy
carrying a bit 40K or fantasy army about in metal is no fun (unless you're driving)
for small scale skirmish games (up to 15 human sized models) I'm fine with metal for humans. Big stuff is still preferable in plastic even at this scale just for ease of assembly. For example the older PP metal warjacks were a nuisence to assemble because of the weight of the parts
That's on top of the convertability issues.
All that said I realise moulds/casting will be easier/cheaper for you if you go for metal
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The more models that you need to play the game, the more they need to be plastic (or plastic resin) just to make transporting them easy
carrying a bit 40K or fantasy army about in metal is no fun (unless you're driving)
for small scale skirmish games (up to 15 human sized models) I'm fine with metal for humans. Big stuff is still preferable in plastic even at this scale just for ease of assembly. For example the older PP metal warjacks were a nuisence to assemble because of the weight of the parts
That's on top of the convertability issues.
All that said I realise moulds/casting will be easier/cheaper for you if you go for metal
Really? What's your definition of a 'big' army? I have ~4K pts of WHFB dwarves, most of them metal, in a single case - it has some heft but not significantly more than a regular laptop bag...
judgedoug wrote: Just showed the model to my choctaw/apache fiancee and she said, "that's cool".
Lesson is, don't go looking to get offended for other people when they aren't actually offended.
n.b. she also likes the Liberi native-inspired centaurs in Fanticide.
Will I don't question her on whether or not she can decide if she is offended I would definitely question her taste :-D
Those Liberi are hideous. Hideous I tell you. The studio paint jobs also suck. Show her a Nagash - if she likes that sculpt all those times she told you that your paint was awesome may not be somehting you rely on.
Everyone brings up good points when it comes to plastic vs metal vs resin.
For our company we are concentrating on the detail and quality of the models. The current selection of minis that you have seen are all done in resin. The quality that you see on these models is what we expect to see in our end product.
If we have the funding based on our Kick Starter we may look at plastic as a stretch goal. Since all the models are designed in a 3D environment we can wait till the last minute to make that decision.
One thing we will say is that good quality resin (not finecast) can deliver an amazing result. Bubbles, flashy, and miscasts will not be distributed since our quality assurance will be trained to look for these problems.
We may also end up with a situation that has us making the first year of models in resin and switching over to plastic in the future. Good points all around and we are taking them into advisement.
judgedoug wrote: Just showed the model to my choctaw/apache fiancee and she said, "that's cool".
Lesson is, don't go looking to get offended for other people when they aren't actually offended.
n.b. she also likes the Liberi native-inspired centaurs in Fanticide.
Will I don't question her on whether or not she can decide if she is offended I would definitely question her taste :-D
Those Liberi are hideous. Hideous I tell you. The studio paint jobs also suck. Show her a Nagash - if she likes that sculpt all those times she told you that your paint was awesome may not be somehting you rely on.
Lol! Once upon a time I agreed with you until I got the Fanticide sampler pack, which has a couple Liberi. They are really very nice in person. They are sculpted in a style very reminiscent of Vendel, which is wonderful. I love the style, it's very clean (I have a whole Greek army of Vendel miniatures). The studio samples do suck hard (same with the Creeps).
I don't think it's a question of quality when it comes to resin. Most fine cast looks great. The question comes down to the relative brittleness of quality resin when being used in game. One of the appealing things about fine cast is that it's a bit softer resin and can stand up to being regularly handled. From my understanding troll forged plastic/resin is much the same.
I actively stay away from Dark Age, despite liking a lot of th models, because so many are metal.
Being able to transform into any animal they choose is cooler than his just being a straight-up wolf . I hope there's a sweet model of him in human form as well.
RiTides, we just noticed your comment. We do plan on releasing the changed characters in their human form. Their ability to change and why they do it is all part of the story.
As humans they will have different abilities vs when they are in animal form. Many of these alternate models will be sold as kick starter exclusives in limited edition poses.
Once kick starter is finished a different version of these human formed models will become the regularly available styles.
It should make for some cool limited edition minis.
Very nice work. You already have a leg up on Wyrd as you have made and shown off a terrain board for your game. Now you just need to make sure you show your miniatures displayed on terrain as if in the process of playing a game in your rulebook and you'll be in good shape.
These Iron Horses will play a major part in Wild West Exodus as our light support choices. Look for more information and images of the models in the coming days.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: If we have the funding based on our Kick Starter we may look at plastic as a stretch goal. Since all the models are designed in a 3D environment we can wait till the last minute to make that decision.
One thing we will say is that good quality resin (not finecast) can deliver an amazing result. Bubbles, flashy, and miscasts will not be distributed since our quality assurance will be trained to look for these problems.
Head to your local hobby shop, buy one of the Malifaux Ten Thunders plastic kits and you'll see what can be done by a small company. Also, consider the following kickstarters: DreamForge, Kingdom Death, Kings of War, Sedition Wars, Through the Breach. They all went in producing plastic figures. Sedition Wars got a big boost by promsing to convert cardboard items into plastic. DreamForge introduced more product as they were pledged more money which resulted in even more money. Through the Breach languished until they started dropping plastic as part of their rewards. Yes, they're not the best example but there are other issues gimping them, unfortunately.
Now consider Kingdom Death. They ran with the idea of plastic figures for the game with special resin versions as "additional purchases" that people could make. You might want to consider taking that approach. It looked like it worked very well for Adam. Two million for high quality figures produced in plastic.
Oh, just so there's no confusion, by "plastic figures" we mean kits on a sprue and not one-part models like you find in a Milton Bradley game.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: These Iron Horses will play a major part in Wild West Exodus as our light support choices. Look for more information and images of the models in the coming days.
2-1-2013 is almost here.
This looks interesting, will there be different weapon options for the bike?
We have just uploaded our Charlie Rules for gamers to test play. We call them Charlie because they are even earlier than Beta. Please let us know your thoughts via facebook, email, or our official forum.
We look forward to hearing everyones opinions on how we can make this game better.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: We have just uploaded our Charlie Rules for gamers to test play. We call them Charlie because they are even earlier than Beta.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: We have just uploaded our Charlie Rules for gamers to test play. We call them Charlie because they are even earlier than Beta.
Alpha -> Beta -> Charlie -> Delta.
If its before Beta, its Alpha.
Wait I'm confused. Charlie comes from the military alphabet in which case it wont be Beta but Bravo (and in WW2 A was Able and D was Dog). The 3rd letter in the Greek Alphabet is Gamma.
Catyrpelius wrote: To me it makes you sound amertureish and could be a negative when I deicde wether or not to back.
I love how petty people on Dakka are. Seriously. Not backing because he used a word out of context rather than the content of the actual project. Your awesome.
Catyrpelius wrote: To me it makes you sound amertureish and could be a negative when I deicde wether or not to back.
I love how petty people on Dakka are. Seriously. Not backing because he used a word out of context rather than the content of the actual project. Your awesome.
Ummm... yeah.. Same thing with saying people are idiots for liking metal minis. Seriously? That's just childish and uncalled for.
Looking at these minis all i can think is "strength of a bear, ears of a wolf and speed of a puma"
Looks just like a certain cartoon from my childhood.
Here is a pic of Thomas Edison the Underboss model for the Enlightened faction. Look for more cool models on our facebook page or by going to www.wildwestexodus.com. We have also launched our forum so if you are interested in discussing our rules or models please join and let us know.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: We have just uploaded our Charlie Rules for gamers to test play. We call them Charlie because they are even earlier than Beta.
Alpha -> Beta -> Charlie -> Delta.
If its before Beta, its Alpha.
Wait I'm confused. Charlie comes from the military alphabet in which case it wont be Beta but Bravo (and in WW2 A was Able and D was Dog). The 3rd letter in the Greek Alphabet is Gamma.
They already met their goal and first stretch goal! Sidekicks are in.
Next goal is at 40k, unlocking the underbosses. They have alluded to light and heavy support vehicles as later goals.
Also, I don't recall if it was mentioned here, but looks like they are doing the models in plastic and resin, not metal. I recall that being a point of argument earlier.
Jibboom, we are totally with you on this. I can tell you for sure we are NOT doing metal. No way no how. The models will be all plastic, all resin, or a combo of both based on goals reached. Here is to reaching plastic goal.
yeah,
If this is a Battlefoam company product I don't understand why shipping is free in the US and not free in the UK?
Battle foam have distribution centers here in the UK.
Might jump in later, but I think giving free shipping to yanks and not to brits is unfair which puts me off.
I've messaged Outlaw Miniatures asking about this, will update with the response. If I get one.
Panic wrote:Hi,
Why free shipping to US customers (included in price)
UK customers pay the same money and you charge a extra $25 shipping in the UK?
You have distribution centers in both countries?
This seems unfair and puts me off backing your project.
Panic wrote: yeah,
If this is a Battlefoam company product I don't understand why shipping is free in the US and not free in the UK?
Battle foam have distribution centers here in the UK.
Might jump in later, but I think giving free shipping to yanks and not to brits is unfair which puts me off.
I've messaged Outlaw Miniatures asking about this, will update with the response. If I get one.
Panic...
I would imagine they are either manufacturing in the USA, or shipping into the USA from manufacturing in China
so there will be cost to getting it into the UK (as they will need to pay VAT/import duty) hence where the 'shipping charge' comes in
At least they are distributing from the UK so EU backers dont have to worry about extra costs
yeah, Part of the pledge for US backers covers shipping. It doesn't ship for free, it's included.
Where does that money go when selling to a UK backer? If they send a shipment to the UK distribution center they can use the money within the pledge to cover the shipping cost within the UK. It seems unfair to charge extra to UK backers.
got a good quick reply from outlaw miniatures which is good to see, I love good customer service
outlaw miniatures wrote:Hi Panic,
This is a very touchy subject because its regulated by Kickstarter. They do not allow you to add shipping to any US customers. Its actually not even available in the set up windows when you build the campaign.
The international section is more to do with shipping the container to the warehouse in the UK. All of these items will be manufactured in the US or China depending on goals. This means we will be sending out a full container via boat to the warehouse for processing.
Container like this can run between $5000 to $7000 to ship depending on the time of year and customs. You can imagine how that divides out if we had lets say 300 backers. The shipping for the container would greatly out weigh what we are charging for shipping but we try to reduce the cost as best as possible.
I know that is not the best answer in the world but we do hope you will find the minis cool enough to pledge. We plan on adding a bunch of great stuff to the free items so that it makes up for the lame shipping fees.
Thanks for being interested and sending in your question.
Whoa, ks does not even allow you to charge shipping to the US? Surely all that does is encourage creators to charge extra onto international backers in order to cover shipping to the States in the first place?
I'm confused about something. Fiendish $220 has 4x Starters, 2x Rulebooks, 4x token/council models. Shameless $325 has the same stuff as Fiendish plus 2x boxes of hired hands and a plastic template set. How is that worth the extra $105? What am I missing here?
Fiendish at $205 is limited to 100 pledges. After that a new one will open at $220 with no limit to the number of pledgers. The point of my question is based on the idea that higher pledge levels are supposed to somehow be enticing to some people. Unless there's some sort of stretch reward planned for Shameless that hasn't been presented yet, I'm not seeing the value there. It's got six backers currently so I guess someone is seeing something that I'm not.
I must admit it is funny that here on dakka people decry you for doing metal and yet look at the KS, its only a few days in and its already at +$40k, quite successful if I do say so
Not everything on Kickstarter has to be plastic people (heck quite a few KS are already metal here on dakka like Blackwater)
kenshin620 wrote: I must admit it is funny that here on dakka people decry you for doing metal and yet look at the KS, its only a few days in and its already at +$40k, quite successful if I do say so
Not everything on Kickstarter has to be plastic people (heck quite a few KS are already metal here on dakka like Blackwater)
To be fair not everyone who is contributing to WWX is a Dakka member let alone not everyone on dakka complained.
However, they did announce they will be doing the minis in plastic and resin via the kickstarter, or so they say.
Here is what I find hilarious
WWX first said they will being doing metal and some resin
"We also spoke to many gamers that preferred the traditional metal minis over most all other choices. "
When WWX asked about 2 weeks later via their Facebook page what do people prefer plastic, resin or metal, of the 40 some people only 2 or so people said metal.
With their original statement saying many gamers preferred metal, who the fahk were they asking and when? 1985?
Must admit, it is fantastic to see Outlaw miniatures taking into consideration opinions and wants of fans not many companies do that, most give you the finger.
Then again they are small enough to accommodate the fans.
Can someone familiar with the background for this game help me out here?
Was there some sort of nuclear apocalypse, humanity survived and clawed its way back towards a semblance of civilization (and a high tech one at that!) and this civilization someone calls to mind... the Old West?
Alpharius wrote: Can someone familiar with the background for this game help me out here?
Was there some sort of nuclear apocalypse, humanity survived and clawed its way back towards a semblance of civilization (and a high tech one at that!) and this civilization someone calls to mind... the Old West?
scientific advancements of Dr. Carpathian has created new technologies.
kenshin620 wrote: I must admit it is funny that here on dakka people decry you for doing metal and yet look at the KS, its only a few days in and its already at +$40k, quite successful if I do say so
Not everything on Kickstarter has to be plastic people (heck quite a few KS are already metal here on dakka like Blackwater)
Sure. Not everything has to be plastic. It just should be.
Had the models been done in metal, I wouldn't have even sniffed it. Nor would many people I know.
Hello everyone sorry for not getting on here and updating sooner. It has been a bit of a busy weekend with the kickstarter going live.
To answer the international shipping question is easy. The models will be made in one of two places. In the US or in China. Because the models would still have to travel to a distribution point in the UK it requires shipping to move the container filled with minis. The drawback to this means we have to charge a small fee for international shipping to cover some of the expense of these containers.
A container normally costs between $5000 to $7000 to ship and clear customs to the UK. Tag VAT on top of that and you see how much that really ends up being per customer. The shipping price that is given to the pledges does not really come close to how expensive it is to get the goods overseas. The other point is the shipping from the UK to the EU or homes across England. That also still requires shipping fees so that again is something that needed to be added.
The advantage with backing this kickstarter is that you will not have to pay any custom duties or fees on your goods. Because they will be shipping from the UK the EU and England are excused from those fees. We also helped the people pledging by adding lots of free goodies to to make up for the extra fee. This may not be the best answer but it is a truthful one that we hope people understand.
To answer the question about the Shameless bundle we have the following. Shameless seems odd now but will soon benefit from many of the great stretch goals still in the pipeline. We have yet to unlock Light Support Vehicles or the big stuff under the Heavy Support choice. These items will have all kinds of buy 2 get 1 free deals for the Shameless backers. The Shameless pledges will also benefit when the new Iron Horse are unlocked. They will have several deals and group discounts that lower level pledges will not qualify for. The templates are just the beginning for those.
Thank you for the questions and we look forward to making this a fun and rewarding kickstarter campaign for everyone pledging.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: To answer the question about the Shameless bundle we have the following. Shameless seems odd now but will soon benefit from many of the great stretch goals still in the pipeline. We have yet to unlock Light Support Vehicles or the big stuff under the Heavy Support choice. These items will have all kinds of buy 2 get 1 free deals for the Shameless backers. The Shameless pledges will also benefit when the new Iron Horse are unlocked. They will have several deals and group discounts that lower level pledges will not qualify for. The templates are just the beginning for those.
So you're basically providing an incentive for early pledgers to jump to an increased pledge amount as time goes on. Okay. We'll see. Either way, Wyrd could certainly learn from this if they ever decide to do another kickstarter.
We just did some more updates and unlocked a few items for those high pledge levels. I think you'll see as it goes along that all kind of bonus items will start showing up. It's still early days yet.
Outlaw Miniatures wrote: The models will be made in one of two places. In the US or in China. Because the models would still have to travel to a distribution point in the UK it requires shipping to move the container filled with minis. The drawback to this means we have to charge a small fee for international shipping to cover some of the expense of these containers...
I'd like to believe that it was this simple. I'd understand if everything was made in the US but it's not. You're saying that American backers will be getting product shipped from China for free and delivered to their Door for free, while UK backers will pay extra for Shipping from US to UK?
I think you should include all shipping as part of the overall cost that everyone is paying. You are international company with distribution in the UK.
Sorry but I'm Not backing this as a matter of principle. I think that international backers should be treated with a bit more respect.
I agree with Panic's feeling. I sometimes don't get how all those duties and tariffs work, but there has to be a way of including shipping in the price, especially with the new increase in US postage.
But... those special agents... man I want to pledge...
Shame it's a bit of a stationary miniature. It also seems as if the dimensions are a bit off - thought that exoskeleton kind of thing might be throwing me off here.
Other than that, good stuff
Bolognesus wrote: Shame it's a bit of a stationary miniature. It also seems as if the dimensions are a bit off - thought that exoskeleton kind of thing might be throwing me off here.
Other than that, good stuff
The relative static poses of many of their "hired hands" models has been a regular complaint by many of us backers.
To that end they have responded and will (apparently shortly) be updating some of the poses to be more "dynamic" in nature. They said concept art of the new poses should be revealed soon.
I'm watching this to see how far it goes, but most of the models leave me thinking "meh". The leader-types seem to have had some work put into their posing and expressions, but the mainline troops look like the sculptor just moved a couple of limbs and went "looks good to me!"
Now, if there had been some mechanical horses in the mix (Yeah, like Legends of the Galaxy Rangers, but appropriately styled), I might have gotten into this. With the jetbikes looking like "Warhammer 1.8K", I'm not feeling it.
Head looks way too small for his body. And I'm not saying that I prefer the Perry Bros style so please don't infer anything along those lines. It's just that he looks a little like Beetlejuice at the end of the movie after he hacks off the witch doctor.
They've updated a few of the models and they look a lot better. I'm hoping that a few more poses are updated like this (honestly, any pose that hasn't been completed ideally). With the new poses and concepts like eiffel in the spider construct, I definitely am considering picking up some models, but there's some poses still that don't seem quite natural (both warrior nation with bows, and warrior nation with throwing spear stick out to me for example).
@Breotan - The point you make about the heads is a valid one. We actually built them that way on purpose. These are dead bodies that have been given a metal harness body to help the reanimate. They also have a juiced up RJ-1027 power cell in their brains to get them to reanimate. What you are seeing as small heads is actually melted and decomposed skin and hair.
They also have very still poses (the enlightened) because they are slow and can't run. This is all part of the fluff and will be revealed once the book is released.
As for the other models in the range we have a very shooty game we designed. A lot of our models are in a upright shot or be shot position. That seems a bit odd at first but makes more sense when you see the terrain we are going to release. The terrain is designed for most models to be in an upright position when shooting.
We also have much more to reveal with this kickstarter and we really do read all the comments and suggestions. We have already started making changes and adjustments based on what backers have asked for.
Please feel free to post ideas and suggestions as needed. We will read them all and adjust if at all possible.
Pledge levels such as Wicked, Shameless and others will all get new bumps in the near future when more stretch goals are reached.
Please stay tuned and thank you to all the people that have pledged up to this point.
I'm liking the look of these more and more with the dynamic poses. Been considering backing the outlaws, but painting the up like the old cartoon "the Galaxy Rangers". I can see gooseman, and the doctor already. Now I just need mechanical horses and a female model to turn into nico.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: That's it. Nightmares guaranteed. Thanks WWE. Now I have to worry about steampunk spiders too. Geez...
You know, it never really dawned on me why outlaw miniatures abbreviated Wild West Exodus as WWX other than the X just looks "cooler" than E
Wonder if it has to do with to avoid confusion with Vinny Mac's World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)?
Not that I believe it is some overstepping of some trademark (coughspacemarinecough), but wonder if WWX is a aesthetic choice (because Xs are always cooler) or to avoid potential conflict. It's not like the world has never seen a lawsuit over an abbreviation.
WWF (World Wildlife Fund) sued WWF (World Wrestling Federation).
Updated sculpts are a step up, but still uninspiring. The faces all look like mannequins, which is lazy especially when there's all this effort being put into making the rest of the model more dynamic. You have a Union soldier landing from a jump a la Infinity, and he looks like he's listening to an accounting report. Seriously? I'm not saying they all need to show warrior screams like every GW plastic human, but a little emotion would sell the figure. Furrowed brows? Squinting? Anything?
The Warrior Nation braves look like poses from dollar store bags of plastic Indians. Like I said above, uninspiring. You have an excuse for the Enlightened line guys to be dull. What's the deal with these?
I think that the alt boss poses look pretty good. I like the alt Jesse James enough that I'd probably get him whether I was playing the game or not. Alt Grant should be the base version, though, and the existing base one should be scrapped. Again, dull. The base version looks like a vintage Star Wars figure that's had an arm raised. I assume he's supposed to be extending his sword to lead a charge, but the only feeling I get is an Obi-Wan Kenobi figure that's lost its little sliding lightsaber action. Zero presence or emotion.
Also in that "I'd find a use for that" is the Iron Hide. I like it. It has a nice Trigun feel to it.
Would be good to capture peoples thoughts on the playtest rules as imo this is just as important as the models themselves!
Me and my friend are seriously thinking about backing this to a high level. I understand the frustration with the shipping, but now I know I won't be paying customs I am so happy. It is customs that makes the costs go through the roof so I am pleased.
Please make sure you get plenty of stock over to the UK. I would also advise you speak to some of the really good gaming stores in the UK such as 4TK gaming in Colchester. These types of stores seem to do very well promoting new games and getting people into the hobby.
Well you all saw the preview for the robot deputy. Just some more information to ponder: next friday we will hear about the Union 21183 Rail. Have an idea as to what it is? Me, i thinking of an armoured train, but won't know until friday. The newest strech goal is the "Ladies of the West". They are special edition miniatures for each faction (Union, Enlightened, Warrior Nation, and Outlaws). The strech goal after this will be more sidekicks and for those liking the Warrior Nation these are a must have "Braves of the great Spirit". You'll know when you see them.
For all you who love the "firefly and Serenity", check out the Merc unit. If we can get over $200k, the Merc unit will recieve more members and a vehicle. A new pledge level will also be opening up on Monday. So please come over and take a look at this new wonderful universe.
Indians with bows need an arrow in their hand. You can do this similar to the way Malifaux did it with their Ten Thunders Archers. Without an arrow, they just look silly. Archers shouldn't be pulling back 'nothing'.
Darn, I'd love to use those models in a Fallout-esque setting, but the scale puts me off... Wierd how a few millimetres can make that much of a difference.
The people that are complaining about shipping costs sound like a bunch of wingers.
Try living in Australia were the price of every product is inflated and we still have to pay heavy shipping fees for anything produced over seas.
Breotan wrote: Indians with bows need an arrow in their hand. You can do this similar to the way Malifaux did it with their Ten Thunders Archers. Without an arrow, they just look silly. Archers shouldn't be pulling back 'nothing'.
I'd like to see more archers in miniatures modeled in phases of archery. Pulling an arrow from a quiver. Post arrow release. Things of that nature. Limits the amount of tiny bow strings etc needed.
Agree about the arrows, but I must say they need to be In "protected" poses like the Ten Thunders Archers are. Those pieces, while surprisingly easy to put in the models, are super thin.
For everyone asking about the arrows we should explain. The Warrior Nation does not use normal arrows or bows. The reason you don't see strings and arrows is because once they are pulled out of the quiver the Brave channels the energy of the earth and the bow and arrows burst into a blue flame like glow. This could be looked at as magic but its actually the natural energy of the earth that is around them all the time.
This also plays into the mechanics of the game since their bows are not stopped by cover or terrain. Their spirit bows and spirit arrows can travel unobstructed through any object in their way.
This is explained in detail in their back story and fluff. The missing arrows are not by mistake or because of a production issue. It is specific to match with the story.
Breotan wrote: I'm not sure post arrow release will work in a static model. It would have the same problem visually that pulling back without an arrow has.
Check out the archers for Malifaux...
This is type of thing that looks good on a render, but sucks if you actually touch your models. Its my beef with Wyrd's new plastics... there's lots of parts that just aren't practical to assemble, paint and game with (hanging tree ropes, beckoner ponytail, etc). A real sculpt would have revealed the nonexistant structural integrity early on.
I can't believe there are 32 people at the $955 level. Maybe it's because it's limited (out of 40) that people jumped up... but that is a TON of money!
Granted, a lot of us spend that and more on our hobbies over the course of several months, half a year, a year, etc... I even spent that much on Dreamforge's resin walkers before their Kickstarter hit.
But to have that many people at a pledge level that high just seems... crazy!
What size are those $75 bags, is that just the BF Privateer bag? That would be a pretty good deal, if true. *shame about the huge-ass branding on the bag, though. I could do without that.
Breotan wrote: I'm not sure post arrow release will work in a static model. It would have the same problem visually that pulling back without an arrow has. Check out the archers for Malifaux... <snip>
This is type of thing that looks good on a render, but sucks if you actually touch your models. Its my beef with Wyrd's new plastics... there's lots of parts that just aren't practical to assemble, paint and game with (hanging tree ropes, beckoner ponytail, etc). A real sculpt would have revealed the nonexistant structural integrity early on.
I have these and they are assembled. The arrows were not the problem on these models (the hats were). The plastic is rigid enough and the arrows (mostly) have two contact points so they're pretty secure. You have to be fairly ham-handed to be breaking these.
Bolognesus wrote: What size are those $75 bags, is that just the BF Privateer bag? That would be a pretty good deal, if true. *shame about the huge-ass branding on the bag, though. I could do without that.
I keep doubting my participation in this but now I'm suddenly very interested. Shipping seems to be less than I'm used too, also. That may just be me not paying attention though.
As for the logo, I actually don't mind the branding. Given what BF usually does with logos, this is actually pretty cool looking.
And you know what's even better? the first bag can get that $35 discount from the "rotten" swap, so basically you can get that bag with foam for about it's RRP and get two WWX starters included if you're prepared to wait a few months, as long as you're in the US (that added $25 makes this less attractive for EU backers, sadly - those should actually have some measurable interest in the game itself ).
I'm basically getting a good bag at RRP and paying a few tenners for what look to be nice models with a good (cavatore as lead dev, so I'm confident in that!) ruleset; and it's not even near the end
You might have to wait even longer than that for the bags
Not all the one's battlefoam were meant to do for CMON as part of Sedition Wars turned up (even though SW was 2 months late in shipping), and they can't say when they will show (to the point of offering refunds)
So there is clearly a production problem either with the bags themselves which seem to come in from abroad (this seems to be the issue with the SW ones?), or with the foam (production capacity in house?)
True. OTOH, even Romeo&Co could reasonable be expected to have learned from their previous experience and do better this time. Besides, I think most of us funding KS projects to a ~$200 and up tune take a pretty long view of their hobby anyway
OK guys, daft question time; I've never used Kickstarter before, but this one has be tempted. However, I want to make absolutely sure I'm not misunderstanding how this works before I pledge money.
Lets say I just wanted the Dark Council mini, the VII mini, and the Jesse James pose #1; those all have individual prices in the Add Ons list(total for all three of $38), so can I just pledge the $45 "Nasty" option and I'll be allowed to choose those specific minis in their post-Kickstarter survey? And if I wanted to add a fourth mini, I would just have to increase the pledge after the initial $45 by whatever the difference is?
OK guys, daft question time; I've never used Kickstarter before, but this one has be tempted. However, I want to make absolutely sure I'm not misunderstanding how this works before I pledge money.
Lets say I just wanted the Dark Council mini, the VII mini, and the Jesse James pose #1; those all have individual prices in the Add Ons list(total for all three of $38), so can I just pledge the $45 "Nasty" option and I'll be allowed to choose those specific minis in their post-Kickstarter survey? And if I wanted to add a fourth mini, I would just have to increase the pledge after the initial $45 by whatever the difference is?
Sounds like you got the gist of it right. However, since (going by dakka flag, that is) you seem to be in the UK, you will incur an extra $15 for shipping.
hope that helps
OK guys, daft question time; I've never used Kickstarter before, but this one has be tempted. However, I want to make absolutely sure I'm not misunderstanding how this works before I pledge money.
Lets say I just wanted the Dark Council mini, the VII mini, and the Jesse James pose #1; those all have individual prices in the Add Ons list(total for all three of $38), so can I just pledge the $45 "Nasty" option and I'll be allowed to choose those specific minis in their post-Kickstarter survey? And if I wanted to add a fourth mini, I would just have to increase the pledge after the initial $45 by whatever the difference is?
Sounds like you got the gist of it right. However, since (going by dakka flag, that is) you seem to be in the UK, you will incur an extra $15 for shipping.
hope that helps
Righto, so I would have to pledge using the "Nasty" option, and the amount I pledge would be $45 + $15 + however many extra dollars would be necessary to make up the difference when a fourth model is added, correct?
OK guys, daft question time; I've never used Kickstarter before, but this one has be tempted. However, I want to make absolutely sure I'm not misunderstanding how this works before I pledge money.
Lets say I just wanted the Dark Council mini, the VII mini, and the Jesse James pose #1; those all have individual prices in the Add Ons list(total for all three of $38), so can I just pledge the $45 "Nasty" option and I'll be allowed to choose those specific minis in their post-Kickstarter survey? And if I wanted to add a fourth mini, I would just have to increase the pledge after the initial $45 by whatever the difference is?
Sounds like you got the gist of it right. However, since (going by dakka flag, that is) you seem to be in the UK, you will incur an extra $15 for shipping.
hope that helps
Righto, so I would have to pledge using the "Nasty" option, and the amount I pledge would be $45 + $15 + however many extra dollars would be necessary to make up the difference between $45 and your total of optional purchases when a fourth model is added, correct?
We are in the final couple weeks of our kickstarter and things are going amazingly well. We are so thankful for the 650 plus backers that believe in our team and the dream of WWX.
Here are some cool new items that have recently unlocked and some eye candy goodies also on our campaign. Please come by and check it out to see the latest releases and rewards for backing our project.
Have to say that since finding this on Kickstarter my mind has been blown away! So many really nice models. Normally when you see a new game, you like a few of the models a lot more than the rest but, I have to say that the work on these are blindingly gorgeous. Can't wait till it's released as I have my money on the Corrupted level, a train and 4 Battlefoam bags
The only downside to all of this, is I now have trouble sleeping as I keep dreaming of being a kid playing cowboys and Indians, hehe
I have just learnt that they will be doing additional sculpts of the hired hands if we reach 1000 backers or $250,000. That should be a sweet addition to the ranks for sure, with no doubt additional lady models to lend a hand.
Just thought I would share the $185,000 stretch goal that we are so close to uncovering.
After that Outlaw has given us another 5k stretch goal at $190,000 for more terrain. We have 3 lots of Micro Arts Studios terrain sets, some official scatter terrain and Micro arts Studio bases!
So I can't wait to see what is next. Personally I would love to see a train station or some Warrior Nation huts. Anyone else have any ideas what you would like?
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destrox76 wrote: A Little musics to set the mood. Man I am so excited about this game!
For me personally, as someone who likes the minis but probably won't end up playing the game(I only manage a couple of games of 40K/Inq28 a year as it is), I'd love to see more stuff with Jesse James-style "bionics". There's a lovely set of legs on one of the Enlightened grunts and one of their Heavies, but more of those steampunk biomechanical implants would be brilliant since they fit nicely into so many different gaming systems.
I tell you, if they released a version of the Enlightened basic troopers with more integrated implants and more exposed skin, rather than clothing and exo-skeletons, I don't think I'd be able to stop myself spending obscene amounts of money - I've been dying for decent quality plastic "not-Servitors" for my AdMech.
I know they are supposed to be doing 12 factions, I'm hoping there is an Oriental influenced faction and an Arab influence factions. with in the twelve.
destrox76 wrote: I know they are supposed to be doing 12 factions, I'm hoping there is an Oriental influenced faction and an Arab influence factions. with in the twelve.
Hmm I'm not too well versed in middle eastern travelers in the wild west (beyond experiments with camels in Arizona I think), but Asian Workers are a huge part of 19th century west coast. Especially during the railroad building business. I could foresee an asian faction
As far as I am aware, there will be:
The Lawmen,
The Holy Order,
The Confederate Rebellion,
The El Ejercito Dorado
and something was hinted at an alien type of faction.
We are still very unsure of the details, as it is kept heavily under wraps.
Someone guessed an alien type race and that was the closest anyone got.
So what the mean by "Alien" could mean a person from a foreign land. Other than that, I am not sure of the rest.
I've thought of something else I'd like to see; a more accurate comparison shot. That being one which compares like with like(for example using an Imperial Guardsman rather than a Marine, and even better a Forgeworld Guardsman, assuming the WWX mini is a human male), and in which both models are stuck down to a generic flat surface/base which are both the same height.
The current image is OK I suppose, but I've never understood why "comparison" shots include specialised bases, when surely the goal is to see whether the minis will fit in with someone's existing collection, in which case they will be using the same bases for all models.
I am thinking that if a person can not tell the difference that Outlaw has shown in the photo they put out, it would be equally as hard without. After all it is not like the difference between 15mm and 28mm Heroic scale.
The model they have to show the scale has a hat on also, so to really compare them, you may have to do this with a lot of their miniatures in varying stances and uniform to get it correct to the nearest 1mm. For me, the scales are near enough to game with and have fun painting. Which is all I ask for to be honest.
Perhaps when the game comes out in Aug/Sept you may get chance to see such pictures from someone else's painting table.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, when I think about it. The Space Marine is not to scale as they are similar size to the Imp Guard.
I think, if you like a model, you will like it for what it is. A good point of referance could be to check out Dystopian Legions models as I hear that they are 35mm also, if this help?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Have to say that I love the new concept art for the Warrior Nation!
This amazing set of 4 models will feature 3 detailed Warrior Nation Braves and one large Summoned Apparition.
This group of sidekicks can summon this spirit in their activation and use it to fight in close combat. The Apparition can never be destroyed unless all 3 Braves have been killed. This group will make an amazing addition to any army and will be available to Corrupt level pledges as a free addition once unlocked.
Other backers may add this 4 model set for $30 well below its normal MSRP. The Apparition model will stand 60mm tall and have various spirit and ghost ripping out of it.
Look for this to unlock at $195k
Automatically Appended Next Post: Romeo from Battlefoam talks about Wild West Exodus! you get to hear it from the horses mouth.
Madmick wrote: I am thinking that if a person can not tell the difference that Outlaw has shown in the photo they put out, it would be equally as hard without. After all it is not like the difference between 15mm and 28mm Heroic scale.
The model they have to show the scale has a hat on also, so to really compare them, you may have to do this with a lot of their miniatures in varying stances and uniform to get it correct to the nearest 1mm. For me, the scales are near enough to game with and have fun painting. Which is all I ask for to be honest.
Perhaps when the game comes out in Aug/Sept you may get chance to see such pictures from someone else's painting table.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, when I think about it. The Space Marine is not to scale as they are similar size to the Imp Guard.
I think, if you like a model, you will like it for what it is. A good point of referance could be to check out Dystopian Legions models as I hear that they are 35mm also, if this help?
I don't agree tbh, having a straight-on no-base/same-base picture comparing against a guardsman would make it far easier to tell whether they'll fit in with GW models, particularly if they use one of the WWX minis with a wider stance, and having them fit in is important; a mm here or there isn't a huge deal, but if they are a similar size to Dystopian Legion figures, we're not talking a mm here or there;
Those guys are the same height as my truescale Marines, far, far too big to look decent next to GW or FW scale humans. As to waiting until the game releases, that means not investing in the Kickstarter campaign, meaning less money for them, and no exclusive Dark Council mini for me, so it's not really ideal.
Here you got matey, this is the best I can do. I am sure if you wanted to export this into anAdobe package and place the marine over the WWX model and adjust to scale, you would get to measure the model size difference.
I am personally ok with an mk1 eyeball glance at it and will be getting the free MAS Terrain you get from the Corrupt level, so I will have a whole new shiny board to play with to!!
Yeah, that was the image I designated as "ok I guess". Best I can do with it is;
Which is only semi-accurate since the eye-level on a human model is different from that of a marine model, and I have no way to tell if they're at the same angle. Regardless, if that approximates the size difference, sadly I won't be backing this one, which is a shame as I really liked the minis.
Here is our next short goal at $190k. This 6 piece set rounds out the resin WWX terrain pieces and not only gives you objective markers but also provides cover.
Look for these to be added to several pledge levels once we break $190k.
It's official guys. WWX will definitely give you wood when $190,000 is reached hehe
Automatically Appended Next Post: Some nice signature banners here for those flying the WWX flag. Courtesy of Outlaw Miniatures
As a Malifaux player I have official become equally excited for the terrain this KS is offering as I am for the WWX minis and gameplay...
While there is a lack of Steampunk to the terrain, it is just about perfect for Malifaux as well as WWX... and having great terrain always makes games better.
I myself am watching this with baited breath myself. The minis look awesome.. heck the 195 stretch goal with the three braves and the summoned spirit has officially blown my mind. Well worth your vote and look.
The miniatures were what initially drew me in, but the terrain is what hooked me. There's a lot of potential there and it's definitely worth picking up a few pieces even if you don't plan to play WWX. The train rocks and this is the first time I've seen a company produce an amazing piece like that. The price is hard to beat for something that size as well - $160 for the kickstarter backers. They have an entry level pledge of $45 (Nasty) for those backers that would like to pick up some terrain or the train.
There's also a lot to use for other games as well. Who can imagine the Orky craziness that results if some fool-hardy Orks get ahold of that Rolling Thunder (hehehe!)
I was thinking that as well. The Outlaw truck would be an amazing monster truck, that would add a lot of variety to the 40K Ork board
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wow, just woke up to the fact we have reached another stretch goal while I was asleep I thinkI should sleep more often, as it has great side effects, hehe
Does anyone have any experience with the Pack 432 from Battle Foam? I ask this because they are designing the Outlaw bag, which is based on the 432. I have no Battle Foam products, so would really appreciate any feedback about their quality.
Update for anyone else concerned about mini size issues; I messaged them on Kickstarter, and they gave me a feet-to-eyes measurement of 32mm for standard human males(with some variation for specific models). The Forgeworld event-only Arbite Enforcer is just shy of 31mm feet-to-eyes, but has a slight curve to the spine in the pose and so is likely very similar in height. The event-only Reaver Titan Princeps is also just shy of 31mm, but is fully upright, so WWX minis would look slightly taller(like comparing a 6' 3" tall man to a 6' tall man). The upright "at-ease" Cadian Guardsman GW mini is just barely over 30mm, so the WWX minis would be fairly noticeably taller than normal GW plastics when both are in a similar pose, but not drastically so, the main issue is that they would -appear- taller because of the difference in proportions, with the WWX minis being fairly accurate while the GW minis are 5- to 6-heads Heroic.
Still, having done those comparisons, I'm comfortable that they'll do nicely for "character minis" next to GW's heroic scale and FW's "not-quite-right-but-better-than-GW" scale, so I'll be putting some money in tomorrow on payday.
Thanks for the update Yodhrin. Just to let you know, you don't actually pay for your pledge until the Kick-Starter has ended, in 12 days time So you have time to rob a bank, a train heist and maybe steal a well known painting in that time.
Would be nice to see you on their forums to buddy.
Madmick wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Pack 432 from Battle Foam? I ask this because they are designing the Outlaw bag, which is based on the 432. I have no Battle Foam products, so would really appreciate any feedback about their quality.
Many thanks
Aren't you associated with Battlefoam or this miniatures game?
Madmick wrote: No matey :s I have none of their products at all.
Yet you created this account on Dakka and took over for updates as soon as Battlefoam started. You signed up to multiple forums, some dedicated to other games, for the express purpose of promoting this game - Twice you promoted this game on two different dedicated Infinity forums. Your entire Twitter account is doing nothing else but promoting this game. You're by far the most frequent commenter on the Kickstarter both unabashedly complimenting and explaining the game.
You've created account all over the internet for the purpose of promoting a Kickstarter where you haven't seen the majority of the miniatures and haven't even played the game. You've done more promotion than Battlefoam itself and started just as the official Battlefoam account on Dakka stopped posting updates. Not only that, but you inexplicably started calling the company the proper "Battle Foam" when you had called it the more common yet improper "Battlefoam" prior.
Are you sure you don't work for Battlefoam? If not, they should hire you.
Hehe, thanks, would be nice to get a pay cheque in the post, I had created this account in 2011 after loosing my previous account details as I was in the military and moved about etc. I had joined a Infinity forum the other day, yes you are quiet right. I like to help people on the KS so we have a good chat and get to know the people who I may be playing across the table with in the near future and to organise an event. Really proactive group of people on there, So I don't feel like I need to be embarrassed about it buddy, as it is somewhat of an interest to me. Are you interested in WWX? Personally I love the Warrior Nation as it is somewhat a new theme yet ties in with recent history, if you get my meaning?
Automatically Appended Next Post: For your reading please
Just to clear a few things up. The main reason we have not been posting on here is because updating and posting on Kickstarter is a full time job with a limited staff at this point.
I think we are better served as a company to post on our kickstarter instead of on forums all around the internet.
We also have a very nice fan following already and Mike is one of them. To bash him for supporting the kickstarter is why we have limited the posts ourselves. It seems that no matter what you post on Dakka Dakka someone like yourself will bash or take the whole tread off track just to create drama.
No drama needed here. As for bringing up Battle Foam in every comment you make, have at it. I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising.
I guess people know the right way to read a company name that is clearly visible on the website of said company makes them an employee now.
What would we know, our company name is Outlaw Miniatures but you can call us whatever you like.
I would also like to point out that we are holding a contest for the backer that posts the most news and spreads the word about our ks the most. That may be a reason why Mike here is so excited. Maybe that or maybe the fact that its a good game with good people creating it.
To Mike, thanks and keep up the good work. I'll make sure the guys send you out a check. How many hours have you put in this week? Just need to know for accounting reasons.
Really liking the dynamics of these wave 2 Union Hired Hands. What do you guys think? Personally I like the fact that there is a lot of thought for creating movement and variety in these.
Perhaps your posse would look nice set up in a diorama when not in use. But what ever you tastes I don't think anyone can say they are not intriguing and interesting to paint.
I think MY hardest choice is wether to choose the Union or the Warrior Nation as my main posse of choice. But I guess it would be wiser to wait and see what happens further down the road when we get a few more releases.
t seems like every day we reach a new stretch goal and are treated to new toys. Damn it, why does everyone know my weakness, hehe.
Wow, Outlaw Miniatures, that was way out of line. Most of the posts in this thread have been positive. Sheesh...
Madmick- Those do indeed look sweet, and very dynamic. I wonder how feasible the poses will actually be to tool... but they look So much better than the earlier more static poses. I also like the warrior nation the best, and have been keeping an eye on them / this thread, which is why those comments from Outlaw just seem to come from out of left field.
RiTides wrote: Wow, Outlaw Miniatures, that was way out of line. Most of the posts in this thread have been positive. Sheesh...
Madmick- Those do indeed look sweet, and very dynamic. I wonder how feasible the poses will actually be to tool... but they look So much better than the earlier more static poses. I also like the warrior nation the best, and have been keeping an eye on them / this thread, which is why those comments from Outlaw just seem to come from out of left field.
While Outlaw's reaction might have been a bit...strident, it's hardly "out of left field" when people are pretty much flat-out accusing other posters of being marketing sockpuppets sent by the company.
RiTides wrote: Wow, Outlaw Miniatures, that was way out of line. Most of the posts in this thread have been positive. Sheesh...
Madmick- Those do indeed look sweet, and very dynamic. I wonder how feasible the poses will actually be to tool... but they look So much better than the earlier more static poses. I also like the warrior nation the best, and have been keeping an eye on them / this thread, which is why those comments from Outlaw just seem to come from out of left field.
While Outlaw's reaction might have been a bit...strident, it's hardly "out of left field" when people are pretty much flat-out accusing other posters of being marketing sockpuppets sent by the company.
I'm honestly surprised companies have people post here at all anymore. It's become pretty nasty of late in News and Rumours. I'm all for criticism, but a lot of what goes on it flat out trolling.
All I meant, was that as a company representative it makes the most sense to stay "above the fray" if they don't like someone's criticism. I certainly don't think most of this thread has been negative, on the contrary, I am very interested in these concepts and miniatures, as are many posters. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch by responding in kind!
I agree with OM that picking on Romeo or Battlefoam, accusing of corporate sock-puppeting etc is off topic, and completely pointless to the discussion of the topic at hand, Wild West Exodus. We are here to talk about the product, not attack marketing practices you can't even prove are happening. Though I personally like him, Romeo is not everyone's cup of tea, nor is Battlefoam, I realize that. However, Romeo does not come in the box, just the miniatures, so let's stick to talking about the product please.
@Outlaw Miniatures, I can certainly understand the frustrations involved with dealing with PR, especially in the world's largest miniature forum, Dakka. It get's rough in here. We have 70k+ members last I looked, that means on sheer numbers we will most definitely have every opinion in the spectrum.
However, slagging off this forum because it isn't full of yes-men isn't going to do you any favors. If you choose not to post in here anymore, so be it, it sure is understandable not to be able to keep up with every forum major and minor and just focus on the KS. You would be well served to handle your own messaging in a calmer manner yourself though. Accusing the huge body of Dakka users of hating based on 1 out of 20 (if even that!) comments is potentially being disrespectful of 10's of thousands of customers, not to mention staff that is otherwise very supportive of your venture.
Something to chew on.
Moving on, back to the miniatures please, everyone (me included obviously lol).
I have been reading Dakka for years but never posted before. My friends and I have been devout 40k followers for more than two decades despite our consternation with games workshop; unfortunately, we could never find a game to replace it. For us, it looks like WWX is it.
We have been playing their prerelease rules and think the game and models are great. We have all pledged on the kickstarter.
Hi Chef, Nice to have you on board matey. Not sure if you have seen, but we have almost got the next stretch goal for the Warrior Nation wave 2 sidekicks.
As interest, what posses were you playing? I am planning on going Warrior Nation (hence the excitement on this particular stretch goal). I hear Union are pretty powerful at present. How are you finding it?
Hey there mike good to see you around. I hope everything is going smoothly. I'm very, very excited about this game and can't wait to see what opens up soon enough. The warrior nation is by far the thing that has grabbed my imagination and grabbed ahold of it with a death grip. Come take a look. Madmick is a good gent and doing his best to promote this. Besides it is a kickstarter - the more the marrier. The more toys the better.
@Lochlannon, Hi buddy. Sorry didn't reply sooner, I thought you were me as I also have that avatar on another forum. hehe.
Get yourself onto WWXKS soon matey as Outlaw has stated updates up soon as they are being processed as I type this to you. Hoping for more of the story from yesterday.
I have been playing Union, but we have four guys in our group so one of us took each using 40k models as proxies. I will probably go with Outlaws as my primary when the game is here.
They do look nice matey. Not overly keen on the bowler hats though if I am truthful, did they really wear them? Or is that part of the artistic flare? I am totally ignorant towards all this cowboy stuff. hehe
Madmick wrote: They do look nice matey. Not overly keen on the bowler hats though if I am truthful, did they really wear them? Or is that part of the artistic flare? I am totally ignorant towards all this cowboy stuff. hehe
More than any other piece of headgear, the bowler hat was the hat that conquered the west. It was immensely popular over the period. For one thing, you could wear it while peering out a train carriage and it wouldn't fly off, since it's a snug fit with a modest brim that doesn't catch the wind like a broader one would.
Ah, I am learning more about the wild west already, hehe. I just thought everyone wore cowboy hats and said g'day mam.
I guess it would make sense to wear them in those dusty conditions then. I still think that the cowboy hats look pretty cool though. At least in the pictures I have seen. I hear there will be a lot of extras on the sprue's so I guess you could chop 'n' change to what you liked. maybe CC troops with bowler hats so they don't fly off whilst fighting and cowboy hats for the ranged troops, so that the sun does not shine in their eyes
I am hoping that a few of the kits are interchangeable to. This would enable you to make Indian outlaws for example or Outlaws with a Union hat on or whatever. I dunno. guess I will have to have a butchers when I get my models I guess.
What about you? Are you interested in the Wild West? it's a new concept at least!
Pledged myself now. Not a vast amount, but the four models will be enough to form a solid Inquisitor's warband, I'll just have to convince my sometime opponents to play at a club or on a kitchen table rather than the local GW, heh.
Never really thought of playing inquisitor with them tbh. Sounds like a neat plan though.
I am 'Squatting Thunder' Michael (Ironclad) on the KS matey. If you need some navigation to get involved in the forum etc, just let me know and I can point you in the right direction.
Automatically Appended Next Post: New items added to some of the WWX pledge levels and $195,000 stretch goal hit!
Looks like they'll be breaking $200k anytime now, unlocking the train, which is admittedly looking very good in those concept pics. If it gets any takers, as I suspect it will, the campaign's gonna hurtle along nicely. It'll be interesting to see what the final total will be.
As an aside, I wonder how well WWX will scale with Dystopian Legions.
Hi Agamemnon, I think Yodhrin suggested that they were of equal scale matey and could look cool along side those FSA lot.
Would be nice to have you along side buddy, the more the merrier, as they say. when you come over, you may want to check out the Repulsive pledge level, as that has received some nice attention last night and I think it works out to be 69% off of the RRP and there are a few Early Birds left. Not sure why though, hehe.
Thisis the first minis game that has interested me since I got into 40k in the mid 90s. Shameless at the moment but that Repulsive is singing to me. Need to scrape up another $100 somewhere...
Yeah at the repulsive level they just added a bag and some other goodies. It seems like there is a sweet spot at any level no matter where you go.
Personally, Union and Warrior faction is for me. But who knows what the lawmen will bring out or even - if we get that far the Confederate Rebellion - who knows. Holy order.. gak all of them sound interesting. Very, very nice stuff.
Madmick wrote: Hi Agamemnon, I think Yodhrin suggested that they were of equal scale matey and could look cool along side those FSA lot.
Would be nice to have you along side buddy, the more the merrier, as they say. when you come over, you may want to check out the Repulsive pledge level, as that has received some nice attention last night and I think it works out to be 69% off of the RRP and there are a few Early Birds left. Not sure why though, hehe.
Not quite; I was worried that they were the same height, but going by the measurement I was given they're actually a touch shorter, sitting just between GW and DL.
Madmick wrote: I am thinking that if a person can not tell the difference that Outlaw has shown in the photo they put out, it would be equally as hard without. After all it is not like the difference between 15mm and 28mm Heroic scale.
The model they have to show the scale has a hat on also, so to really compare them, you may have to do this with a lot of their miniatures in varying stances and uniform to get it correct to the nearest 1mm. For me, the scales are near enough to game with and have fun painting. Which is all I ask for to be honest.
Perhaps when the game comes out in Aug/Sept you may get chance to see such pictures from someone else's painting table.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, when I think about it. The Space Marine is not to scale as they are similar size to the Imp Guard.
I think, if you like a model, you will like it for what it is. A good point of referance could be to check out Dystopian Legions models as I hear that they are 35mm also, if this help?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Have to say that I love the new concept art for the Warrior Nation!
This amazing set of 4 models will feature 3 detailed Warrior Nation Braves and one large Summoned Apparition.
This group of sidekicks can summon this spirit in their activation and use it to fight in close combat. The Apparition can never be destroyed unless all 3 Braves have been killed. This group will make an amazing addition to any army and will be available to Corrupt level pledges as a free addition once unlocked.
Other backers may add this 4 model set for $30 well below its normal MSRP. The Apparition model will stand 60mm tall and have various spirit and ghost ripping out of it.
Look for this to unlock at $195k
Automatically Appended Next Post: Romeo from Battlefoam talks about Wild West Exodus! you get to hear it from the horses mouth.
I must have tha apparition as a replacement model for Dark Debts hungering darkness, assuming it at all comes out looking like the concept artwork (even better if cast in clear plastic)...
@rnrusa, I thought that is why you are born with 2 kidneys and only need one? hehe
@Yodhrin, Sorry buddy, did not wish to miss quote you, it was not my intention.
@Loch, indeed. If I wasn't on the Corrupted pledge I would be all over this!!! But with almost $200k and 700+ backers, I am sure I will be looked after.
@Fenrir, I am sorry you feel that way buddy. Personally, I am relieved to know that my money is going to someone with business sense as this gives additional security for my investment. The fact that you can read a random hate blog and be steered by it only makes me feel sorry for you tbh. It looks as though you wish to put people off from backing WWX. does this give you pleasure? or perhaps it makes you feel important and listened to and able to steer the community to your cause? I can only hope that what ever your intentions, I am wrong in my interpretation of your last post. I just feel it is a shame that you can like something, as you suggest, and cut your nose off to despite your face, just because of your personal feelings towards one person within the company. You can't like 100% of people 100% of the time buddy. Or should I say it is not healthy to. I hope that you find an alternative outlet if you choose to follow a different path of WWX matey. Good luck
Madmick wrote: Would be nice to have you along side buddy, the more the merrier, as they say. when you come over, you may want to check out the Repulsive pledge level, as that has received some nice attention last night and I think it works out to be 69% off of the RRP and there are a few Early Birds left. Not sure why though, hehe.
Thanks, but my attention (and money) have already been claimed by Empire of the Dead. Sherlock Holmes, Captain Nemo, Jack the Ripper and clockwork robots
@Fenrir, I am sorry you feel that way buddy. Personally, I am relieved to know that my money is going to someone with business sense as this gives additional security for my investment. The fact that you can read a random hate blog and be steered by it only makes me feel sorry for you tbh. It looks as though you wish to put people off from backing WWX. does this give you pleasure? or perhaps it makes you feel important and listened to and able to steer the community to your cause? I can only hope that what ever your intentions, I am wrong in my interpretation of your last post. I just feel it is a shame that you can like something, as you suggest, and cut your nose off to despite your face, just because of your personal feelings towards one person within the company. You can't like 100% of people 100% of the time buddy. Or should I say it is not healthy to. I hope that you find an alternative outlet if you choose to follow a different path of WWX matey. Good luck
Says the guy who's 29 posts here have been solely about WWX
No offense, brah, but it's really hard to take anything you say without a few tablespoons of salt. You're not exactly an unbiased participant here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also: That BoK "article" has to be one of the worst written pieces of shlock I've read in a while. If you're really letting that sway you, well, you're probably someone that votes solely on political commericals and I pray god has mercy on your soul.
@Fenrir, I am sorry you feel that way buddy. Personally, I am relieved to know that my money is going to someone with business sense as this gives additional security for my investment. The fact that you can read a random hate blog and be steered by it only makes me feel sorry for you tbh. It looks as though you wish to put people off from backing WWX. does this give you pleasure? or perhaps it makes you feel important and listened to and able to steer the community to your cause? I can only hope that what ever your intentions, I am wrong in my interpretation of your last post. I just feel it is a shame that you can like something, as you suggest, and cut your nose off to despite your face, just because of your personal feelings towards one person within the company. You can't like 100% of people 100% of the time buddy. Or should I say it is not healthy to. I hope that you find an alternative outlet if you choose to follow a different path of WWX matey. Good luck
Says the guy who's 29 posts here have been solely about WWX
No offense, brah, but it's really hard to take anything you say without a few tablespoons of salt. You're not exactly an unbiased participant here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also: That BoK "article" has to be one of the worst written pieces of shlock I've read in a while. If you're really letting that sway you, well, you're probably someone that votes solely on political commericals and I pray god has mercy on your soul.
Nah, it was the PM threats and listening to him calling people out on the 0-12 Podcast that swayed me about Battlefoam/Mr Filip. I found out about the rest of his "business sense" later.
Fully agree that the blog post is a crappy one. Handy though.
BTW, if people want to back this KS, then thats 100% up to them.
Also: That BoK "article" has to be one of the worst written pieces of shlock I've read in a while. If you're really letting that sway you, well, you're probably someone that votes solely on political commericals and I pray god has mercy on your soul.
God has mercy on all our souls, your prayer is superfluous and ostentatious.
@Agamemnon, Wow thats a lot of nice gear you have invested in buddy. Had thought about EotD also. Andy Cooper seems a really nice chap, as I have spoken to him a few times via PM. He looks very talented also in his sculpting video.
@cincydooley, What would I have to say to make you happy? I do not wish to concentrate on things I do not like, or things that I can not improve for the better. I try and be upbeat and positive about my hobby, as I see little sense in surrounding myself with unhappiness when I choose to do my hobby. To me, gaming should be an enjoyable process. Do you not agree? I am sorry if my previous comments have led to your lack of faith in me. It was never my intent.
I wonder if Outlaw is planning to release railroad tracks/other associated scenery since they're bringing out that massive train as scenery. One would certainly hope so. If they're clever about it, they'd build the train to go on O scale model railroad tracks, since that way they could just refer hobbyists to the plethora of products available for that particular niche, especially in the US. It'd be slighty too big for the scale, even 35mm, but that'd be excusable in a game of spider-mechs, zombie cyborgs and robot lawmen.
Again, everyone... let's stay on topic and polite in here, please!
Agamemnon2 wrote: I wonder if Outlaw is planning to release railroad tracks/other associated scenery since they're bringing out that massive train as scenery. One would certainly hope so. If they're clever about it, they'd build the train to go on O scale model railroad tracks, since that way they could just refer hobbyists to the plethora of products available for that particular niche, especially in the US. It'd be slighty too big for the scale, even 35mm, but that'd be excusable in a game of spider-mechs, zombie cyborgs and robot lawmen.
Oh man, if they did that... I'd be pledging for this one in a heartbeat!
Guys, There is indeed a track that will be produced for the train.
I can't recall where I saw it but, I am sure Outlaw mentioned that it would protrude 10" out from the front and the back.
I think they intend to release extra tracks when the train is released in...... October I think, don't quote me though.
In regards to scale, it will be O scale, as I have seen it posted on the forums by a guy that is into his trains (no experience myself, so I haven't a clue what O scale is tbh).
The terrain will be a scenario piece from what I can gather. It won't be a MUST have, as you can make something up yourself. But it will be useful. It will cost $165 during the kick-starter for the 4 carriages but I am not sure how much the track will cost or in what sort aof bulk you can buy them.
This game makes me want to build a wild west electric train table set. Would be a lot of fun to build and play on a table with an actual moving train on it, if your movement ends on tracks and that train circles around, insta death :^)
primalexile wrote: This game makes me want to build a wild west electric train table set. Would be a lot of fun to build and play on a table with an actual moving train on it, if your movement ends on tracks and that train circles around, insta death :^)
LOL, would be cool!! Wonder if you could scope out the middle of the Union Rail Train and stick a normal electric one inside?
It is a Western game meets Sci Fi. The rules are clear and concise and if you like the model range that is all the reason to back. I am not a backer due to not really liking the model ranges but the game has a lot of potential. I have playtested the rules and they are pretty fun.
primalexile wrote: It is a Western game meets Sci Fi. The rules are clear and concise and if you like the model range that is all the reason to back. I am not a backer due to not really liking the model ranges but the game has a lot of potential. I have playtested the rules and they are pretty fun.
What's the d10 system like? Can I get a rundown on the mechanics? I'm kinda limited at work atm.
I saw the scale is 35mm, which doesn't concern me, as that's all standard, people freak out when it's not 28 or 32, but don't realize that's usually to the eyes. So if these guys are 35mm to the eyes, they won't be horribly out of scale.
Is it I go, you go? Or alternating activation? How many minis am I expected to have on the board? how big is the board?
Alfndrate wrote: So, can anyone give me reason as to why I should back this KS? I'd look at the KS page, but kickstarter.com is work blocked?
I've read over the first few pages and the most recent pages, but I guess... what does this game offer that other wild west games don't?
I was toying with backing just to supplement Malifaux/Deadlands figures for RPG purposes. If its a good game in and of itself, thats jut gravy.
I don't play deadlands, and I'm currently not a huge fan of the models, some of them just look plain derpy (I'm looking at you big horsie on the first page)... If terrain was the other half of this KS I could see myself going for that instead...
Hi Alf, The I think in order for you to get a better feel for it, you would be best waiting to get home from work, hehe.
You only need a small amount of figures, as it is a skirmish game where you activate 1-3 models (Light SUpport Vehicles can have 1-3 in a unit)
and then it will be your mates turn to activate a bloke.
You can scale the game from 450pts to 1250pts (currently in the Charlie rules) 450pt games have approx 10 blokes.
A boss is approx 150pts and troops are 20-25pts, so you can appreciate that there are not many troops in your posse.
Different men add different amount of influence tokens. These can be used to reroll dice, but have to be declared prior to rolling.
If you don't need to roll the dice as you got what you needed, the influence tokens are still removed from your pool.
Depending on what you want from the site, there are different pledge levels, some of which contain terrain pieces from Micro Arts Studio.
I would strongly suggest that you visit the KS page when you have some free time. There is no rush as there are currently 10 days remaining on the project.
hope this helps buddy, Let me know if you need any more help.
Madmick wrote: Hi Alf, The I think in order for you to get a better feel for it, you would be best waiting to get home from work, hehe.
Nah, cause I spend most of my time at home painting and writing
You only need a small amount of figures, as it is a skirmish game where you activate 1-3 models (Light SUpport Vehicles can have 1-3 in a unit)
and then it will be your mates turn to activate a bloke.
So it's Alternating Activation with some squad mechanics...
You can scale the game from 450pts to 1250pts (currently in the Charlie rules) 450pt games have approx 10 blokes.
A boss is approx 150pts and troops are 20-25pts, so you can appreciate that there are not many troops in your posse.
at 450 points, I'm looking at 13 models on the board, assuming 1 boss and 300 points of 25pt troops... that's not too bad, and you have vehicles? eh...
Different men add different amount of influence tokens. These can be used to reroll dice, but have to be declared prior to rolling.
If you don't need to roll the dice as you got what you needed, the influence tokens are still removed from your pool.
I'm not a huge fan of that mechanic... I don't like spending a reroll that I might not get to use, I don't mind boosting in games like WM/H because you generally boost to ensure a hit/damage, or to try and hit/damage. if I spend points on a reroll, I better get a reroll... I could see you being able to spend a token to reroll the dice after the fact because then you can save your influence tokens for something that you could really use them on.
Depending on what you want from the site, there are different pledge levels, some of which contain terrain pieces from Micro Arts Studio.
I would strongly suggest that you visit the KS page when you have some free time. There is no rush as there are currently 10 days remaining on the project.
I know how a kickstarter works just haven't seen the various levels.
Could you PM me the team in charge at Outlaw Miniatures if you know them too? Some of this stuff looks familiar... just curious.
There are other troops to, like Iron Horses 3 for 80 points, Under Bosses and side kicks which very in points dependant on their abilities.
You don't have to use them just for re-rolling. you can use them to seize the initiative. The fact that you use them first is a gamble, so puts a bit of theme into it imho.
Also in WM/H you can boost rolls but that does not make them a sure thing to work, so it is very similar in outcomes.
Alessio Cavatore is doing the rules
Romeo + Jama Filip,
Chad (not sure of his role. I think he dances to entertain the troops tbh) hehe. Hope he can't read ><
Tom is the Painter,
Craig Gallant - Writer,
Vince Rospond - Editor,
Mike Nigro - Comic Artist
+ about 6 others,so quite a good set up I think.
Madmick wrote: You don't have to use them just for re-rolling. you can use them to seize the initiative. The fact that you use them first is a gamble, so puts a bit of theme into it imho. Also in WM/H you can boost rolls but that does not make them a sure thing to work, so it is very similar in outcomes.
Except that the outcome is different. I spend my focus/fury to add a die, which increases my odds to to hit/damage. If I have a flat stat of 5, and I need to hit something that has a 14 DEF, I need to roll a 9 that means I have the chance of hitting him on a 4,5; 4,6; 5,4; 5,5; 5,6; 6,4; and 6,6. Once you add in all the other possible combinations you have a 33% chance of hitting (if my math is right). If I add in a third die, I increase the chances of hitting by increasing the range on the dice that I can with, like three 3s, two 3s and a four, etc... If I roll 3 dice and end up getting a 4 and a 5 that I need, then the 3rd die wasn't "need" but it did increase my chances of getting those numbers that I need. And I add them together.
If I spend an influence token to re-roll the die, say I need to get an 8, 9, or 10 on the die to hit, that's about 1/3rd of a chance of hitting (about the same as what I needed to hit in Warmachine). If I hit him, then I waste the reroll and I'm out of an influence token. If I miss then I get my reroll, but my odds of hitting haven't changed, since I don't add the second die to the first.
Alessio Cavatore is doing the rules Romeo + Jama Filip, Chad (not sure of his role. I think he dances to entertain the troops tbh) hehe. Hope he can't read >< Tom is the Painter, Craig Gallant - Writer, Vince Rospond - Editor, Mike Nigro - Comic Artist + about 6 others,so quite a good set up I think.
Interesting cast of characters... what do the Filip guys do? Just curious
Really, must one sink to those levels to try and get your kickstarter's attention out? And is soliciting moderators to delete posts REALLY the way you want to market your company's brand?
It seems as if we are going to have to disagree on the Influence tokens buddy. As I see it as just another statistic outcome that has to be managed/gambled
It is their brain child so to speak, he came up with the idea. I think there are some podcasts around with him speaking about it (Adepticon I think). But you need to do some homework when you get in I feel, as there is soooo much info on it I could not feasibly cover all the possible info as there have been 65 updates so far. They also have given bags to a lot of the pledge goals, and quite good ones to I am told. the Outlaw (432) and the Bandit (C4). I think these are the ones, as they look pretty similar in design, just with an awesome logo on the side.
You have a lot of time off at work btw, any jobs going? hehe
It's Friday afternoon and my brain is fried--but if I understand the influence token correctly, it will increase your odds;
No rereroll Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die 6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit 2/5 chance to fail
With reroll Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die 6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit Chance to fail changes from 2/5 to 4/25 (chance to fail twice in a row is 1/5 * 1/5)
Really, what you are caluclating is not your chance to hit twice in a row--but the odds of you failing to roll a certain number twice in a row (with the influence token). Unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanic.
On an aside-- a steampunk train set would be an instant purchase for me (WM/Hordes--but still money in their pocket!)
I am not sure what you mean by "Sockpuppet" matey. i followed that link and it took me to a person called stormbird. Actually, Outlaw Miniatures has ran around the last few weeks and has bent over backwards to help us all out on the WWXKS. I am really looking forward to getting into contact with the people on their forum. And the staff have done a lot to help out the WWX community tbh. They are even changing a few designs around as was requested by some of the backers.
I am sorry if this is not your view, but I can not support your dislike for someone if they have done no harm to me. Look how many people do not like GW, they still have a lot of fans. I am not really one of them as I am not overly keen on their product any more. However, for those that are fans of GW. I am glad they are getting what they want. There is a product for everyone, and this is one in which I like and wish to support. I can only hope you find some happiness in this and it explains your attendance to this thread.
Do you have a certain faction you have in mind Killionaire? As I can see that you are American, you would have a vastly superior knowledge of the Wild West than I. unfortunately, I never did history as school, something I really regret now at my age. I can however learn a bit from this game, so I am hoping that the wild west is indeed wild. I do not expect to learn the Abe Lincoln carried a big axe though, lol
Really, must one sink to those levels to try and get your kickstarter's attention out? And is soliciting moderators to delete posts REALLY the way you want to market your company's brand?
It's pretty obvious, in my opinion, and not a great business model. I'd say that it's definitely a mark against a company I might have been more interested in, otherwise. I agree, it shouldn't have been moderated out (assuming the tone wasn't breaking forum rules-- I didn't see the post)
AgeOfEgos wrote: It's Friday afternoon and my brain is fried--but if I understand the influence token correclty, it will increase your odds;
No rereroll
Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die
6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit
2/5 chance to fail
With reroll
Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die
6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit
Chance to fail changes from 2/5 to 4/25 (chance to fail twice in a row is 1/5 * 1/5)
Really, what you are caluclating is not your chance to hit twice in a row--but the odds of you failing to roll a certain number twice in a row (with the influence token). Unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanic.
On an aside-- a steampunk train set would be an instant purchase for me (WM/Hordes--but still money in their pocket!)
I understand the stats are different if you use differ mechanics, but I am not really interested in min / maxing tbh. If they wanted to improve the odds the would increase the odds by changing the profile. Any way, I digress, hehe. I am just playing to have fun. I used to mend radars once upon a time, so it makes a nice change not to number crunch for me. But everyone is different.
The train should unlock in.........../goes to check KS......... $1,400 So you may be in luck buddy, I think your WM/H table may have a transformation very soon
Madmick wrote: I understand the stats are different if you use differ mechanics, but I am not really interested in min / maxing tbh. If they wanted to improve the odds the would increase the odds by changing the profile. Any way, I digress, hehe. I am just playing to have fun. I used to mend radars once upon a time, so it makes a nice change not to number crunch for me. But everyone is different.
The train should unlock in.........../goes to check KS......... $1,400 So you may be in luck buddy, I think your WM/H table may have a transformation very soon
I'm not sure what you mean regarding the mechanic--my post was actually in support of the functionality of it (as compared to just offering a 10% increase to hit via hard numbers). Again, if I understand the mechanic correctly.
Good news about the train~~steampunk terrain is actually rather lacking and I'm sure some of this terrain will be usable within WM/Hordes.
AgeOfEgos wrote: It's Friday afternoon and my brain is fried--but if I understand the influence token correctly, it will increase your odds;
No rereroll
Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die
6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit
2/5 chance to fail
With reroll
Need a 6+ to hit on a 10 sided die
6/10 = 3/5 chance to hit
Chance to fail changes from 2/5 to 4/25 (chance to fail twice in a row is 1/5 * 1/5)
Really, what you are caluclating is not your chance to hit twice in a row--but the odds of you failing to roll a certain number twice in a row (with the influence token). Unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanic.
On an aside-- a steampunk train set would be an instant purchase for me (WM/Hordes--but still money in their pocket!)
The problem is that even calculating the chances of missing twice in a row, the reroll has no bearing on the first roll. I was never great with statistics tbh. My only thing is wasting the influence token on a reroll I may not need...
Sorry buddy, I thought you were suggesting that the Influence mechanics were to offer a reduced probability and therefore inferior to another mechanic, hehe. I just think that if a game designer want to make a model have a 30% hit chance, he will make it so whatever the mechanic. So I don't really factor these variable into the game as such. But I think that the influence mechanic is to represent the gambling times of the era perhaps. So some thought has gone into making this a factor of the game. Maybe in the future they could change to a different gamble mechanic, who knows?
I am just in it because it seems so fresh and full of friendly faces that want to pursue a new game and learn to help build it. well, i do anyway
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Alfndrate,
but that is the gamble buddy. The other person has the same mechanics, so there is no hardship, only risk management.
but that is the gamble buddy. The other person has the same mechanics, so there is no hardship, only risk management.
But it's not worth it to gamble... Also running my Warbeasts with full fury is risk management .
Not much of a risk if I use my influence tokens in other things...
Idk, I'll probably pass on t his... some of the minis kind bug me, the influence mechanic doesn't interest me, and while I won't go into it because people have already been threatened with bans over comments about it, but I personally am not a fan of my dealings with Battlefoam, and so while I don't hold a grudge against Romeo, I try not to do business with him as a customer anymore...
Alfndrate wrote: The problem is that even calculating the chances of missing twice in a row, the reroll has no bearing on the first roll. I was never great with statistics tbh. My only thing is wasting the influence token on a reroll I may not need...
Well, the same could be said within WM. If I need a 6 to hit and opt not to boost I'm looking at a 72% chance to hit. If I threw three dice with a boost, I increase that chance to 95%. I would not 'know' that boost was wasted unless I first rolled two die--then rolled a third. In fact, there are abilities within Warmahordes that do just that (I believe Molik's Future Sight allows him to roll before deciding to add a boost).
That said, I understand your position. I remember seeing a bell curve probability chart someone wrote out with Warmahordes that included hitting vs. a certain Armor--and really got it into my gut what that 2d6 did for that game.
Sorry buddy, I thought you were suggesting that the Influence mechanics were to offer a reduced probability and therefore inferior to another mechanic, hehe. I just think that if a game designer want to make a model have a 30% hit chance, he will make it so whatever the mechanic. So I don't really factor these variable into the game as such. But I think that the influence mechanic is to represent the gambling times of the era perhaps. So some thought has gone into making this a factor of the game. Maybe in the future they could change to a different gamble mechanic, who knows?
Hey no worries--I might still be misunderstanding it anyways . Most game systems just take existing mechanics, name it to fit the theme and add some variety/player choice to rolls/statistics. Warmahordes being one of the most successful IMHO with the 2d6 probability curve. Games Workshop on the other hand has a more difficult time adding variety when they are tied to a 1d6/16% margin.
I think the Gamble mechanic sounds good as I understand it--and certainly feels fluffy from what I've seen of the backdrop.
I didn't think you sounded very interested to be honest matey and I agree it does not sound as though you like anything about it, but horses for courses and all that
As I say, you really need to see the website for details as this is chinese whispers sort of thing. If you are to busy due to writing or painting to boot your computer up, I find it difficult to understand how you get time to play. At least by doing so you can make a better informed decision. A man with a keen eye for stats should appreciate that surely?
Alfndrate wrote: The problem is that even calculating the chances of missing twice in a row, the reroll has no bearing on the first roll. I was never great with statistics tbh. My only thing is wasting the influence token on a reroll I may not need...
Well, the same could be said within WM. If I need a 6 to hit and opt not to boost I'm looking at a 72% chance to hit. If I threw three dice with a boost, I increase that chance to 95%. I would not 'know' that boost was wasted unless I first rolled two die--then rolled a third. In fact, there are abilities within Warmahordes that do just that (I believe Molik's Future Sight allows him to roll before deciding to add a boost).
He does as do some other cyclops (like the savage). The issue that I have is if I spend the focus or a fury I get the third die and have the immediate "benefit". I then roll and if I miss, those are the odds. If I spend an influence token and I don't need the reroll, it's a waste and I lose the token.
Like I said, the mechanic doesn't sit well with me.
I didn't think you sounded very interested to be honest matey and I agree it does not sound as though you like anything about it, but horses for courses and all that
As I say, you really need to see the website for details as this is chinese whispers sort of thing. If you are to busy due to writing or painting to boot your computer up, I find it difficult to understand how you get time to play. At least by doing so you can make a better informed decision. A man with a keen eye for stats should appreciate that surely?
I play every Friday night, it's the only night that I can play wargames. Monday through Thursday I "try" to paint, and I do development for a game that I'm working on for a company.
Edit: You could have just quoted things from the website...
Agreed matey. I hated rolling so many dice all the time. it fifn't really make me feel EPIC to roll a bucket of dice each turn, instead it made me feel tired. hehe
I think I am growing into a skirmish player tbh. Have a TON of infinity models still needing attention, so I guess that will occupy my time till september, when I bold down the hatches and frantically assemble my Warrior Nation
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Alfndrate,
Whilst I have really enjoyed chatting to you matey, I think there comes a time when you need to seek some answers for yourself.
I don't mind chatting to you about things in general, but I can't copy and paste the internet for you, hehe.
I think it takes more effort for you to ask all the questions than to just click on there site, hehe.
I am however happy to help where I can buddy. I hope you enjoy your gaming night tonight, hope the dice gods are with you, as I never see them. hehe
Automatically Appended Next Post: JUst an additional thought, could you not sign up to the updates and then get the emails sent to you? That should help your situation?
I wont lie. The amount that you use buddy and matey makes me want to punch face. It's maddening.
My problem is that there isn't one faction I like overall. I hate the bikes for all of the factions but the Warrior Nation. Their horses are cool and thematic. However, I think their troops like pretty mediocre. There are lots of solid Boss & Underboss models for all of them, but some are more interesting than others.
With all that being said, for the $115 sweet spot it isn't a bad deal, especially if it ends up reaching the mini rulebook and you get that for free or for very cheap. I dunno if I'd buy in, and quite frankly were I the folks with BattleOutlawFoam, I'd have wait to run this KS so that it has about 10 days left AFTER Adepticon. I don't know why you wouldn't want to run some stuff there and have some stuff for display.
Just thought that I would share the looks of the new bags to you all. I am really looking forward to getting mine, as I am yet to have any in my collection.
Currently I have 3x KR cardboard cases, 2x GW big and 1x GW small, a desktop and shelves full and about 5 cupboards of stuff that needs making. Lol.
So I think I am going to be needing a few of these, or maybe another gaming room? Hmmmmm decisions.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Warrior Nation Elk images just out 25 mins ago. Yup picking myself up 1 of these to stomp on face!! or shall I impale the enemy? Hmmmm, decisions decisions.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Love the looks of this model for the Lawmen faction of WWX, kinda says behave yaself lad or i'll blow ya head off. Gotta respect the early concepts of the ASBO.
@wildwest: so being i have been following you guys since you launched your facebook page i realized i never asked if this game will translate well to tourney play?
I think that is the idea buddy, as one of the stretch goals is to get a free tournament ticket. as the game rules are still in production with Alessio at the Charlie stage. Beta will be shortly after the Kick starter, so I think it should be in safe hands.
I am not sure what you mean by "Sockpuppet" matey. i followed that link and it took me to a person called stormbird. Actually, Outlaw Miniatures has ran around the last few weeks and has bent over backwards to help us all out on the WWXKS. I am really looking forward to getting into contact with the people on their forum. And the staff have done a lot to help out the WWX community tbh. They are even changing a few designs around as was requested by some of the backers.
I am sorry if this is not your view, but I can not support your dislike for someone if they have done no harm to me. Look how many people do not like GW, they still have a lot of fans. I am not really one of them as I am not overly keen on their product any more. However, for those that are fans of GW. I am glad they are getting what they want. There is a product for everyone, and this is one in which I like and wish to support. I can only hope you find some happiness in this and it explains your attendance to this thread.
Do you have a certain faction you have in mind Killionaire? As I can see that you are American, you would have a vastly superior knowledge of the Wild West than I. unfortunately, I never did history as school, something I really regret now at my age. I can however learn a bit from this game, so I am hoping that the wild west is indeed wild. I do not expect to learn the Abe Lincoln carried a big axe though, lol
Stormbird, amongst others, has 2 posts. 1 In the misc games forum, asking about WWexodus. Then one in this thread, plugging it. That's a sockpuppet, because it was created to post 2 posts, then never appear again. It's an obvious extra account someone makes to try to plug the game, on the guise of being a 'new convert'. There's other examples, including probably that 'longtime lurker' earlier who appeared, posted on the 40k forum a two line post about 'my 40k buddies all now play WWE', then posts here, then vanishes forever again. It's a lame marketting strategy, and one that's been done by the proprietor of 'Outlaw Miniatures' several times. Dishonest tactics, deleting posts here, on kickstarter and wherever don't speak well for the owner or future support for the game.
As an aside, Axe-Lincoln is pretty hilarious. He's probably the most characterful model you have.
But really, it's odd that there was previously an attempt to cover up the involvement of a specific individual and company with a shady history... one that I'm sure people would be willing to forgive, if it made it apparent that it had the intent to change it's act.
I find it funny the accusations that you make. you have only been a member since january and only have 27 post, which a couple of them are on this topic. So does that make you a plant? How about we talk about the game. if you like the minis and subject matter great!. if not explain what you dont like about them. that would be cool to.
ps. if you had read anything about the game you would have known that Romeo said it was his idea so im not sure how outlaw was hding their connection with battlefoam.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Im getting the warrior nation but havent decided on the 2nd army yet. I like the robot for law man but Wyatt is a little underwhelming and im not sure it will hit the 375k anyway. so maybe ill go outlaws.
I'm actually a pretty active member on a number of forums, posted models that I've painted, and other things. That's a bit different than several accounts that've made 2 posts within a few hours of each other, then vanished forever. I came across that bit of connection after a bit of random happenstance when reading some clusterfeth on the Kickstarter's comments.
Just to pick one out at random:
Outlaw Miniatures wrote:No drama needed here. As for bringing up Battle Foam in every comment you make, have at it. I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising.
You know. Just a bit of a tangent, but the connection's been made. And it does bring up baggage. The sock-puppet issue isn't really a very good indication that said concerns are entirely unfounded.
But hey. The models are nicely proportioned, and again, Axe-Lincon is fun. Plus, the best firefly-esque models so far seen.
Well. Said my bit. Really, best of luck. Competition is fierce out there. But take the high road, and don't repeat very specific mistakes in the past. You'll do yourself and the community as a whole a favor that way.
@Killionaire,
OK I think I get what you mean by Sockpuppet now. Thanks for taking your time to explain this to me and not responding in a angry manner.
I have witnessed a lot of alt characters before on forums. I think it is just something we have to tolerate tbh. Not that I like it, it's just I can't do anything about it.
As the saying goes. If you can do something about it, you don't need to worry. And if if can't do anything about it, there is no use to worry. It does really mean a lot to have a meaningful conversation with someone, despite which side of the fence people are on.
As you can appreciate, from my point of view, I am only just getting back on my feet, as it were, and I can't dislike someone who has not done anything wrong to me.
I really like their product and the support they have offered throughout my time in their project. It is due to this that I wish to support them.
I think the fact that we are about to get update 69 is testament to how hard they are working, both behind the scenes and at front of house.
Romeo and his team has only ever shown that the are trying hard to get this game off of the ground, as I am sure anyone would.
Would be an amazing feeling if I were to manage such a feat, and I would be extremely excited!!
Anyway, I am sure we can debate this till the cows come home, but it would not do any of us any good.
What ever has been done has been done, and what will be will be.
I hope we can find mutual ground in light of this, and move on to more positive pastures and enjoy the time on this forum.
I am glad you enjoy the Abe model, I think it is pretty sweet myself. However, I do prefer the Warrior Nation models and was pleased to see the picture of the Elk on Facebook.
Do you not like the Wyatt Earp model? I prefer the pose behind the shield the best as it appears more dynamic to me and better describes his special ability.
Abe is part of The Union so if you like uniformed troops you can form a nice realistic poses, not suggesting the real Mr Lincoln carried a huge axe about to assert his will!! hehe
Have you seen any of the Mercs models? They are pretty characterful. We are currently waiting for that update 69 which is the 2nd wave of them. So on the edge of my seat atm, hehe.
It will be interesting to see how the pieces are split onto the sprues, as this could lead to a lot of conversion work if desired.
Not that I am expecting to need to with 20 different poses (2x10 differently equipped) for all of the basic troops, and it being a skirmish game would indicate your shouldn't expect duplicates.
Although I am not sure yet if they are planning to extend the pts system above the disclosed $450 to $1250 window.
Guess we will find out one day, but till then, I am really excited about the models and the skirmish aspect.
Wave 2 of the Mercs has now been unlocked and free to all those people who have pledged Corrupt and above!! Guess I can do a little Chubby shuffle then!!
I personally love the K-Free best, but all of them sing character in my eyes
These are not the final poses and will be 3D sculpted later.
Really like the look of these, just wish they had set the Lawmen up as one of the initial factions... Anyway, will probably pledge small and wait for the lawmen later. I can foresee skirmishes between the Outlaws and Lawmen in my household in the future! I think it would have made more sense to have an initial release of the lawmen instead of the enlightened. Union vs. Warrior nation; Outlaws vs. Lawmen; Enlightened vs. Holy Order; etc... It just sounds more apropos to me, but then I don't really know all the details behind their alternate reality.
Also, I don't really care about all the hate for Romeo... Haters really ought to start/join a separate thread to rant and rave about their issues with him and his company. If he's involved with this one, so what? What's a sockpuppet by the way? If I, being a lowly soldier, had no presence on a forum and started raving about a new product I really liked, would I be named a "sockpuppet"?
As someone else stated before; GW has had shady dealings, and I am quite sure other companies have had under the table issues that may or may not influence some buyers. I don't really care what they do! If I like their product I will buy it! Simple as that! Not too many people in the states boycott Wal-Mart and they have had some pretty unsavory business practices! Hell, I could ramble on and on about that kind of stuff but after 37 years of living and breathing the hater's hot air it has gotten quite old.
If you don't like someone's business practices then don't buy their product! Otherwise, suck it up and drive on!
Yeah, he's making me not want to pledge more than he is the opposite. However, It looks like a buddy and I are going to split one of the pledge levels.
Good thing madmick is across the pond and I won't likely ever hav to meet him and his overuse of the word buddy.
Now I just have to figure out if we're gonna split the $115 level or the $220 level.
For those who are interested we just posted an interview with Romeo on WWX. My co-host Dan and I ask a number of questions about the game and about the plans for rolling this out.
It's about an hour long, with some great information. I know I am backing it and was more excited after the interview.
Thanks for this podcast. Have just finished listening to it and I think it was really nice to hear more detailed explanation of what is intended for the game.
However, I am not going to give any spoilers away!!
Love his idea to help the FLGS, and I hope that it has a positive impact on FLGS and their ability to stay afloat in this difficult economic period.
Thank you again for taking the time out to produce this podcast, it was very professionally done.
Mick
P.s. I have since subscribed to your website and look forward to hearing more from all the different gaming systems and book podcasts.
Looks like they're being told to do this by our very own Madmick...
Could you please research your information again? As I do not believe that was my comment. I do however, fully support it in order to reach those people that may be interested in this game.
All the WWX comments are contained within the WWX thread. Should you not wish to hear about it, may I please suggest that you you cease partaking in its contents?
Also, as there appears to be no way that I can please you (despite my attempts through positive dialogue), I can only apologise, and ask that if you do wish to enter this thread, you disregard my comments.
@cincydooley,
As it appears that you feel like you want to "punch me in the face" for saying the word "Buddy" to often, may I request that you pardon my mannerisms. As the term suggests, this was intended as a friendly gesture.
I shall try and refrain from using the term towards you in future, but please pardon me if I do so in error.
If you are still not comfortable with this, I can only apologise and suggest that the error does not generate from me.
But I am sure you are not like that Sean and we will bond better in the future, under these understandings or alternative ones that you wish to offer.
So it seems this thread is more centered lately around accusations then discussing the product. I get people's angst towards Romeo and in a business sense i don't like the guy but as a person he's nice just passionate about what he does. Now i don't like gw corporate but i like their product and if you don't like BF that has nothing to do with this great product. Mad may be a plant but who cares still a great looking product. So i say we focus back on the product and leave the rest alone.
Empchild wrote: So it seems this thread is more centered lately around accusations then discussing the product. I get people's angst towards Romeo and in a business sense i don't like the guy but as a person he's nice just passionate about what he does. Now i don't like gw corporate but i like their product and if you don't like BF that has nothing to do with this great product. Mad may be a plant but who cares still a great looking product. So i say we focus back on the product and leave the rest alone.
Thak you for your kind words towards the new models Empchild.
I can safely say that I am not a plant though. hehe. I am just someone posting about the minis that I like and keeping the news going for those that are interested tbh. Just like everyone else on the forum.
Just to make you aware, we have not smashed through another stretch goal and the Wave 2 Union Hired Hands have now been unlocked.
Next stretch goal is to release the civilian models at $225,000.
They will have an impact on the gaming experience in some way. No rule details, that I am aware of, are out for them yet.
Please correct me if I am wrong about the civi rules
I can't blame the tone and treatment of this product when the thread is being dominated by someone acting in a proxy marketing capacity. It makes it difficult for any real grass-roots enthusiasm to build up around the product when an actual conversation cannot take place without a used car-salesman type tactic being used between every sentence.
Again, the conversation should be centered around this product, and should be open on to all. Madmick, this is an open forum, I would advise you to tone down your responses and allow others to have a chance to participate free from your constant posting. You are not breaking any rules though, so you can do as you like, I am simply suggesting your enthusiasm and tactics may in fact be contributing to the negative tone in this thread and in fact accomplishing the opposite of what you are seeking. Participation was high and relatively positive, since the WWX comments and your 'taking over' as proxy, participation has dropped off, negative comments have increased and this thread has begun bobbing around nearly solely on your efforts. Little positive impact that I can perceive has been gained by the mentioned tactics...
If the main problem surrounding this product is not in fact the models, nor the rules, but the perceived business practices of the participants, it would seem the ideal response would be to minimize perceptions of forced marketing practices would it not? Take it down a notch, trust the community to embrace a good product organically via high level marketing and product quality, don't try to micromanage every last conversation surrounding it or you will turn off more than you attract. That is my honest advice as someone who would like to see the project succeed.
Moving on...
From the sound of it, the rules are pretty solid, and better yet, Tom Schaedle (formerly Commander Y of Bolter and Chainsword fame) being involved with the painting certainly ups the ante for me! Thought the subject of the game doesn't hugely appeal as I am more a sci-fi type guy, the art-style and direction are so far quite impressive. I am curious to see if the all-in investment into the rarely seen western theme will pay off...
@MajorTom11,
I was pretty much jumped on from my first post tbh and i have only responded in a way to defend myself. You inform me that I should tone it down, but I have yet to do anything wrong, or be in ANY way disrespectful. In fact, quite the opposite. I have been verbally abused and put down from the start with one of the last remarks being: (top comment on this page) Cincidooley wrote: "I wont lie. The amount that you use buddy and matey makes me want to punch face. It's maddening." Things like this should not be allowed iaw with Rule 1 of the Dakka's Code of Conduct. Despite being spoken to like this, I remained polite and offered a means to rectify the situation. If this was not expectable by Sean, then I politely requested an alternative course of action. If this is seen to be wrong, can you please advise me what I should do to rectify the situation under these circumstances?
The last few comments were on track and I had thought this may now finally be over. As you are a moderator, I am hoping this is the last word on the matter and we can move on. Should the removed screen be deleted prior to your viewing, I can provide a printed screen of the offending items. However, I am sure I will not be required to send it to you, as this will end as you suggest.
On topic:
I really like the idea of the Influence token gamble, as it allows a bit of excitement at key moments or even a negative side if you lose the tokens with a need to use them. As I understand it, you may also cease initiative with these tokens, so do you gamble them for dice rolls? or spend them to get the upper hand? I think this type of mechanic seems very fitting for the game and lends, in part, to the atmosphere. The fact that Romeo is going to make this a scaleable game allows each person to colour the environment how they want it. Do they take on the fluffy campaigns within each issue of the comic? or the main rulebook? or perhaps a North Vs South meat grinder to add to the excitement. I am currently hoping to play the skirmish game and collect all the faction tbh. As this will allow me to build a great gaming board in my studio. I am getting a few itchy fingers already having seen what some of the guys are building on the WWX forum. Tomorrow I think, shall be national balsa wood day........... That sounded a lot better in my head...........
As you state that you are a Sci-Fi guy, have you seen the Light Support Vehicles? I personally love them, although I am likely to have more Warrior Nation horses than the bikes, as I really like the whole concept of them and the design of the miniatures are to die for in my eyes. The hired Hands being the best models in that faction range. A lot of people are awaiting the arrival of the Lawmen, so that promises to be a popular faction. We have new pictures above this post of Wyatt Earp, if you have not already seen him. Pretty much prefer the shielded poses the best as it compliments his shielding ability.
We have just unlocked the 2nd wave of The Union Hired Hands, which is nice. As this now allows pledges to attain 20 different sculpts for this faction although the 2nd wave are differently equipped with more armour.
Next up is the civilians, I believe this will be 3 models in total, although anything can change, and these will have a game mechanic associated to them. What this is, I am unsure but, I think it may be something to do with entering buildings such as shops, saloons etc. Which would add a new dimension, don't you think?
Anyway, here I go rambling on. Have you heard any news / rumours? Have you listened to the podcast that was posted on here? I thought it to be really good and informative. It lasts for about an hour I think, or there a bouts, so it contains quite a bit of info. You should check it out.
Either way the poses and concepts seem cool. The models seem nice and plastic is cool but since I'm unlikely to find a use for these as the game isn't to likely to pull down interest in my area I'll just keep an eye out on it.
Either way the poses and concepts seem cool. The models seem nice and plastic is cool but since I'm unlikely to find a use for these as the game isn't to likely to pull down interest in my area I'll just keep an eye out on it.
Seriously. Mick, stop writing such long posts here man, none of the rest of us have a chance to participate!
Hulk, I'm right there with you- cool models, not sure I have a use for them, but definitely watching it.
Looks like they're being told to do this by our very own Madmick...
Could you please research your information again? As I do not believe that was my comment. I do however, fully support it in order to reach those people that may be interested in this game.
My point was, the person in the link above has the same icon as you, the same location as you, and links to a painting studio on facebook with the same location as you, and a quick google search brings up a wordpress site for Ironclad Miniature Painting Studio with a post called, "poorly sick mick" and an icon that matches yours. It's fine that you're asking people to spread the word about the game, because if it's something you like, it's entirely worth it to advertise it. Some of the "guff" that you're getting is because you're overly friendly which makes it sound like you're trying to force us to back the product (like a car salesman that is pushing a car you don't want) because you have some invested interest. You use the words "We" when referring to the project instead of Outlaw Miniatures or WWX, which shows a level of familiarity with the company and the project rather than just being a fan/backer. I'm a huge fan of Wyrd Miniatures and ran the Through the Breach Kickstarter thread here on Dakka, but for the most part 90% of the posts in that thread I referred to Wyrd as Wyrd instead of we or us because I didn't have any more information about the kickstarter or the game as anyone else.
All the WWX comments are contained within the WWX thread. Should you not wish to hear about it, may I please suggest that you you cease partaking in its contents? Also, as there appears to be no way that I can please you (despite my attempts through positive dialogue), I can only apologise, and ask that if you do wish to enter this thread, you disregard my comments.
With the exception of someone else promoting the game elsewhere on this site you are correct about the WWX comments being in this thread, and I'm still watching this project to see if something piques my interest down the road. Your friendly comments told me to "check back after work", etc while the tone was friendly, the lack of information I was getting didn't really entice me to want to persue this any farther, most of my questions were answered with, "You should check the KS page." well yeah, if I had the ability to do so I would have, but couldn't have done so because of limitations with access..
@cincydooley, As it appears that you feel like you want to "punch me in the face" for saying the word "Buddy" to often, may I request that you pardon my mannerisms. As the term suggests, this was intended as a friendly gesture. I shall try and refrain from using the term towards you in future, but please pardon me if I do so in error. If you are still not comfortable with this, I can only apologise and suggest that the error does not generate from me. But I am sure you are not like that Sean and we will bond better in the future, under these understandings or alternative ones that you wish to offer.
Thanks
Mick
The reason he wants to "punch you in the face" is because you say buddy and mate far too much, instead of being courteous on the internet, you're trying too hard to be "friends" with the people in this thread. It's a "too much of a good thing". It's great to be friendly on the internet and doesn't happen too often, but you're slathering on an extra layer of friendliness that is grating on some people.
And to what RiTides said, let other people comment. Don't try to defend perceived ill or wrong with the project, it'll just serve to make you angry (trust me, running the Through the Breach thread made me quite angry at people on this site for awhile), and it makes you seem more like a corporate puppet with every comment because you don't see anything wrong with the project, and come across to everyone that says something bad about the project as a white knight of sorts, many people often critique projects that they like so they can see them get better, not blindly defend them saying they're great as it is. *Shrugs* that's just me. I'm going to keep commenting on this thread because something might interest me, who knows.
Edit: In an effort to not sound like a complete callous donkey cave, I do like that Warrior Nation Elk, is that on a 120mm base? If so, I could definitely see it being picked up and used in a Circle Army as the WoldWrath or their BE (probably the first one), especially in an Epic Morgana list with her ibex
Madmick wrote: @MajorTom11,
I was pretty much jumped on from my first post tbh and i have only responded in a way to defend myself. You inform me that I should tone it down, but I have yet to do anything wrong, or be in ANY way disrespectful. In fact, quite the opposite. I have been verbally abused and put down from the start with one of the last remarks being: (top comment on this page) Cincidooley wrote: "I wont lie. The amount that you use buddy and matey makes me want to punch face. It's maddening." Things like this should not be allowed iaw with Rule 1 of the Dakka's Code of Conduct. Despite being spoken to like this, I remained polite and offered a means to rectify the situation. If this was not expectable by Sean, then I politely requested an alternative course of action. If this is seen to be wrong, can you please advise me what I should do to rectify the situation under these circumstances?
The last few comments were on track and I had thought this may now finally be over. As you are a moderator, I am hoping this is the last word on the matter and we can move on. Should the removed screen be deleted prior to your viewing, I can provide a printed screen of the offending items. However, I am sure I will not be required to send it to you, as this will end as you suggest.
Cheers
You are indeed missing the point Mick. You are certainly not being disrespectful, breaking the rules or any of that, and I made a point to say that. I was and am simply pointing out that although you are being polite and friendly, you may be overdoing it a bit and in fact turning people off from participating in this thread as very little conversation is taking place between other users, just a Q and A with you. This is probably not what people want or expect here, hence the hostility you are receiving (and handling admirably btw, again I am not faulting your politeness or adherence to the rules).
I will say it shorter to be clear: Your enthusiasm is admirable but your tone and relentless posting are offputting to many users wanting to discuss this KS and the game as it is being interpreted and tele-marketing style messaging. People want to discuss the KS in it's entirety, stuff they love, stuff they like, stuff they worry about and stuff they don't like. Right now I believe many are feeling they aren't able to express themselves organically.
To use a metaphor, some people like to walk through the store and just look. Right now this thread is a bit more of the in-your-face sales guy who wants to convince you to buy before your back-foot even clears the door. In stores with policies like that, sometimes people stop going in because although they like the product, they don't like not being able to discuss it quietly amongst themselves.
Does that make the sales guy a bad person? No. Are you doing anything wrong here? No, or I wouldn't be writing this, I would simply put a stop to it. My friend I am simply offering an honest, non-hostile suggestion that perhaps the amount and style of posting you are using in here are in fact becoming a detrimental factor to interest in WWX here at Dakka.
As I said before, and I say again now, I am a huge fan of Commander Y and many others involved in this product, big time. I would love to see them succeed. For the record, I met Romeo last year, found him to be absolutely awesome to speak with and a guy I would be happy to count as a friend. I can't speak as to his business dealings, but as a person, he took the time to talk to me for about an hour, he was funny, enthusiastic and generous, and that for me was a great experience. I think Battlefoam is great product, more importantly the customer service was fantastic every time I have purchased from them online, in person or on the phone. 40k radio is my favorite podcast for it's humour and personalities. I am not a hater by any stretch, in fact, I may be on the other end of the spectrum more than anything else.
So, please re-read my initial post, and as I mentioned off the bat, you are free to continue as you please, I am just trying to help believe it or not.
Well this thread has turned interesting, I will say I downgraded my pledge not because of issues with the company etc but because no real interest in anything other then the Union and the Outlaws.
P.S I will say this is some of the friendliest argueing I have ever seen though I think it's starting to wear thin a bit.
Empchild wrote: Well this thread has turned interesting, I will say I downgraded my pledge not because of issues with the company etc but because no real interest in anything other then the Union and the Outlaws.
P.S I will say this is some of the friendliest argueing I have ever seen though I think it's starting to wear thin a bit.
The mods have come in here once already and cleaned the place up, and with MT11 in on the conversations, I think the last thing that ANYONE wants is to get a suspension because they crossed the line on friendly discourse.
@Alfndrate,
Hi mate, Just wanted to point out that the link does land on a topic that I had started, it does however point to the post that that remark was taken. So I would ask you to check the 4th post down on that page if you would be so kind.
I refer to people as "MATE" (which is self explanatory) / marra (marra - friend: "Mick wez an aad marra o' mine") / Buddy (also self explanatory) / mucka (Military term for mate) / pal (self explanatory) / ar'kid (brother, but can be used as friend). However, due to geographical differences, I chose to use terms that more people would be able to understand.
I use the term "WE" because it really feels like a team on there, if you do not believe me, donate $1 and come for a chat? or maybe join the forum and get to know how friendly everyone is. I can hardly be held responsible because people have grown paranoid within DakkaDakka can I? I have tried, as you pointed out, very hard to not to be the statistic norm which is often perceived here. All I have been is my normal self and respected peoples views. From what I understand of this whole situation, you dislike Romeo for being rude to people on one of his podcasts, which I have not listened to yet. How does his performance differ from the experience that I have received from a select few on this thread? I came on here to enjoy myself (insert reasons why here, but trying to keep it short).
I was asking you to check KS because I had a banging headache and have had since middle of December, so I wanted you to take ownership of the situation so I didn't have to stare at the screen for much longer, but again my efforts back fired at me.
I generally have not found anything bad about WWX if I am honest, as the olny thing I thought was meh, he is doing the 3D images again for the Enlightened HH. So my reasoning leads me to a forum that kicks me for saying hello or a man who is trying his damnedest to make things right. Which would you honestly choose?
I can honestly say that I am not the least bit angry with all of this. After serving a couple of tours in the middle east, where people can throw rather naughty things at you, I am not really likely to get upset over some naughty shaped pixels now am I? hehe
Now I will try again to get back on topic.
I don't believe we have been given the size of the actual bases at this stage as I am not sure of how they refer to it by name:
Small 1.25'
medium 1.75'
Large 2.5'
Extra Large ?'
Massive 4.5'
You may be interested in Sitting Bull and Geronimo then, as they are like a werewolf and a bear. May make you army look unique. I hear that they have about 150 different characters for the game so far spread across all factions, oh and while I remember, have you seen the grey spirit? sort of like an eagle man. Anyway I am sure you may not stop there when some more characters come out, hehe. Personally, I would like to see some animal bodyguard of sorts, perhaps werewolves or bears again?
Does this constitute as a short post? If not I have failed again! hehe
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. I hope there's a sweet model of him in human form as well.
(I'm looking at you big horsie on the first page)... If terrain was the other half of this 
