EDIT - KICKSTARTER HAS ENDED @ $311k - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures?ref=live

Just saw this over on Secret Weapon's Facebook site. Shut up and take my money, and all that. I'm going to be broke before the end of this year....



Clean Urban Streets @ 120k


Damaged Urban Streets @ 160k


Rolling Fields @ 200k


Ruined Temple @ 280k


Trench Works @ 360K

Pics for workblocked?

There ya go

Well hello there. Very interesting!

Plastic, and not resin? Very very interesting - makes them easy for customers to customise by gluing on more bits.

I'm guessing from the size of the few recognisable shapes that these are maybe 30cm square, which will also make them easier to lug around than GW's giant resin tiles.

...Not really. at 1' square you're going to need such a fethton of them whichever pack/bag/other thing you carry them around in is going to be as cumbersome as the RoB bag IMO.

This is the worst possible thing. I'm already broke guys! lol

I asked Mr. Justin directly and he says they are 1ft by 1ft and they will have terrain specifically for them as well as bases so now you can actually have your bases match the board and terrain! This is the first of it's kind to this level in our hobby and cheers to SWM for doing it.

Fantastic, 1x1 tiles will be great for bringing to cons for demoing on.

Hopefully there will be enough variety to have them work for any game system.

Any idea on a time scale on this one? I was going to purchase GW's Realm of battle in three weeks time with the next pay packet....I may just hold off doing that now.

1x1 tiles are also perfect for easily assembling display boards, or for excellent pre-made diorama bases.

EDIT: also, wow, I didn't know that Dakka had a popup to ask you why you don't have at least one capital letter in your post.

 Bolognesus wrote:

There ya go

Thanks!

I have a feeling that these will be directly competing with Games and Gears next battle board kickstarter. Chances are I will go with SWM though, G&G's attitude on their last attempt was incredibly annoying...

On topic, I hope we see some cleaner, more urban bases and maybe some space cruiser ones as well!

Don't forget us fantasy players as well!

Hmm, really interested. I was planning on a modular board already, but, for the right price, I'll be sold on these.

The rest of the molded stuff is crap, although, you might be able to get away with less detail on a tabletop board of terrain.

SW has nice washes and powders, everthing else is poor detail in my experience

I wonder if these will be as thick as the Realm of Battle tiles, because if so, an interesting and hopefully cheaper expansion!

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if these will be as thick as the Realm of Battle tiles, because if so, an interesting and hopefully cheaper expansion!

Was thinking the same thing. It'd be a very smart move if these were compatible with RoB.

I would love plain plastic tiles with no adornments etc. That way I can use them for Roman era and wild west etc without it looking weird.

Light weight easy to carry makes me happy.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
I would love plain plastic tiles with no adornments etc. That way I can use them for Roman era and wild west etc without it looking weird.

Light weight easy to carry makes me happy.

Agreed

Not sure how I'll like seeing Junk Pile #5 every day

Yeah, I'll buy it if it doesn't have the Ork-themed scrap and junk on it.

If I want that crap on the board, that's what terrain is for, not the board itself.

Plain old boring practical flat texture for the board is the way to go, with lots of variants... fine grit mud, wavy sand dunes, cracked ice sheets or city roads for the board itself, nothing that sticks up all over the place or marks the board as sci-fi or fantasy or historical.

The only type of terrain that really works built-in is subtractive stuff like rivers, chasms or lava flows since it looks so much better if you can get it to be below the playing surface. Hills can work okay too as a separate tile.

The games and gears one might not have looked as good, but it was at least practical and generic.

BrookM wrote:I wonder if these will be as thick as the Realm of Battle tiles, because if so, an interesting and hopefully cheaper expansion!

Hope so also. Though hope all the tiles aren't just "modern/future" wreckage like in the picture. Hope there are a couple basic hilly/rocky tiles. Also curious as to how they are underneath. The GW ones have in some parts support grids to help prevent warping.

decker_cky wrote:
Was thinking the same thing. It'd be a very smart move if these were compatible with RoB.

Maybe not. Given how out of shape GW has gotten with shoulder pads, it may not be a battle Secret Weapon wants to fight. Even if they are in the legal clear, it is still can ruin with legal fees if it ends up in court.

 Bolognesus wrote:

There ya go

Secret Weapon Miniatures wrote:We're still ramping things up on this end, but you can ponder these three words:

Injection molded plastic.

Stay tuned....

 Clang wrote:
GW's giant resin tiles.

Realm of Battle is plastic, not resin.

I think he was referring Zone Mortalis and the FW ones.


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there is a "to" missing in there, somewhere, I bet.

If they can get it so the seams between the parts are nearly invisible, it'd be nice. It's not that pre-measuring is a problem, but aesthetically, it'd be nice if the board was as seamless as possible.

I guess the 1'x1' squares would also be nice as a display board.

Nice to see more options from more sources, seems like gamers choices are expanding every day.

This isn't for me though, at least not with the texture shown. Something like a streetscape or a ship interior that's more of a pain to scratch build would get my attention.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

I could definitely go for a generic spaceship decking sort of tile. Use it for necromunda o space hulk. Also wouldn't mind ones set with. Grassy field and dugouts for bloodbowl.

They look nice. Something that would be sutible for fantsety/steam punk games like WHFB/Wharmahords would be nice instead of just sci-fi.

 Absolutionis wrote:
If they can get it so the seams between the parts are nearly invisible, it'd be nice. It's not that pre-measuring is a problem, but aesthetically, it'd be nice if the board was as seamless as possible.

I guess the 1'x1' squares would also be nice as a display board.

I don't think a seamless look would be possible, considering even the GW relm of battle boards have a visible seam in their officle promotional images. The only way to get a seamless look I think would be to mount the board sections into a permanent configuration and then fill any seams and gaps yourself. That would give you the look your talking about.

Personaly anything that could offer a more affordable alternative to GW's board is good in my books.

Seems potentially great for display boards. I'll be following this one with interest.

 Bolognesus wrote:
...Not really. at 1' square you're going to need such a fethton of them whichever pack/bag/other thing you carry them around in is going to be as cumbersome as the RoB bag IMO.

You're going to have a taller stack of them, yes, but they'll also be easier to store and transport then 2'x2' squares, and will still weigh the same.

I'm all for 1x1 squares

New Pic:

Still not thrilled about having tires and sheet metal embedded into a landscape


At least Skulls are universal!

It's honestly rather par for what it is. The make-or-break will be pricing and variety. Considering Kickstarter's history, it's looking good for both pricing and the possibility of "stretch goal" variety.

Guys, you will not be disappointed with this, trust me. I have even privy to a few things, pricing and long term benefits are going to be awesome.

Note, Justin s already showing finished product, this isn't a smoke and mirrors ks where they only show renders and then figure out it can't be done later, that says something. Swm make really great product and as most of you know, Justin is very active member of the community who takes business very seriously. Hold off buying any boards til next week guys lol!

It looks not bad from the renders and printed model alone. Secret Weapon has a history of quality anyways, so it's doubtful anyone is worried about that. I have a ton of their metal Tyranid Bone Swords and the resin bug eggs that Navarro himself sculpted; all are great quality and I assume their venture into plastic will be no less than satisfactory.

You say pricing is 'good'. We'll see, of course. Making this a Kickstarter alone is looking good in terms of pricing.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys, you will not be disappointed with this, trust me. I have even privy to a few things, pricing and long term benefits are going to be awesome. Hold off buying any boards til next week guys lol!

If your in the know, could you please tell us if there are sections for the fantasy type players out here? If there's not, I will probably be ordering GW's Realm of Battle at the weekend.

Does anybody have the link to the kickstarter for this. Both Facebook and SW's website are work blocked (apparently looking at websites classified as "weapons" is bad-think).

This is an excellent idea, I can see me dumping a fair bit on this.

Koppo wrote:
Does anybody have the link to the kickstarter for this. Both Facebook and SW's website are work blocked (apparently looking at websites classified as "weapons" is bad-think).

Coming Soon = Not out yet.

Major Tom implies it should be in a week or so though, so not too long.

Love the idea.

Have no interest in a pile of junk.

The printed board actually looks much better than the render, all the soft lines seem to have vanished and now look really good.

Dammit I said I would do no more kickstarters until Mantic's sci-fi one!

 Vain wrote:

Koppo wrote:
Does anybody have the link to the kickstarter for this. Both Facebook and SW's website are work blocked (apparently looking at websites classified as "weapons" is bad-think).

Coming Soon = Not out yet.

Major Tom implies it should be in a week or so though, so not too long.

Cheers, I could not be sure due to the over zealous thought-police at work. I will try and keep and eye on this.

How about a nice set of tiles that can be used as a fantasy football field? Could have the modular halves, a swappable center for team logos, and bleacher, dugout areas. It would save me from building my own. Sure there would be at least a descent following for he stuff

...which would be released just about when GW rereleases, as seems to be scheduled for september, bloodbowl.

Heh. I can just hear the veins popping

Love their bases, love the quality of the items I've purchased, and have never had a customer service issue with them so I'm thinking I'll be spending on this if the price is reasonable. It'd be nice to have a board to use at home that I can hide away.

I am need.


While I like the decorated tiles, I'd really need "plain" terrain tiles so that the board isn't limited to a single/few game systems. I don't think off road tires exist in Ulthuan.

 Aerethan wrote:
I am need.


While I like the decorated tiles, I'd really need "plain" terrain tiles so that the board isn't limited to a single/few game systems. I don't think off road tires exist in Ulthuan.

+1

Already said the same thing earlier. You do plain tiles and I will purchase.

I'm somehow convinced that they will hit the KS with more than 2 tiles with off-road tyres on them. Plain can't be that hard either way. A single mould ought to do the trick, with clever accessories locking into the texture, maybe?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm somehow convinced that they will hit the KS with more than 2 tiles with off-road tyres on them. Plain can't be that hard either way. A single mould ought to do the trick, with clever accessories locking into the texture, maybe?

With 3D printing they could very easily create terrain kits that "lock" into the natural texture of the board pieces and look pretty close to seamless.

 Denilsta wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys, you will not be disappointed with this, trust me. I have even privy to a few things, pricing and long term benefits are going to be awesome. Hold off buying any boards til next week guys lol!

If your in the know, could you please tell us if there are sections for the fantasy type players out here? If there's not, I will probably be ordering GW's Realm of Battle at the weekend.

The sloping hills on the RoB board make it less than ideal.

The problem with the RoB board(other than the world bleeding skulls) is that built in hills become a hindrance at some point. It also limits board layout significantly since you won't want hard edges in the middle of the table.

Theophony wrote:
I could definitely go for a generic spaceship decking sort of tile. Use it for necromunda o space hulk. Also wouldn't mind ones set with. Grassy field and dugouts for bloodbowl.

OMG this. Justin, if you make space deck tiles similar to your sci-fi ship bases, you will have all my money.

Maybe on the sci-fi tiles.

They're hard to do well - and a 4' x 6' table full of a shape, or even a few shapes, repeated over and over - it doesn't look good.

That's what sunk Games and Gears version, at least partially.

None of their 'Sci-Fi' stuff looked very good over that big an area.

Guys, you can look forward to multiple themes, with transitions and more... Full reinforced 12" plastic injection molding, scalable, with tons of other goodies too... Those two tiles in one theme you've seen so far? Tip of the iceberg!

Keep your an eye on this space, things are gonna start moving and shaking soon!

Seriously, you're gonna be impressed

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Seriously, you're gonna be impressed

Already am!

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Guys, you can look forward to multiple themes, with transitions and more... Full reinforced 12" plastic injection molding, scalable, with tons of other goodies too... Those two tiles in one theme you've seen so far? Tip of the iceberg!

Keep your an eye on this space, things are gonna start moving and shaking soon!

Seriously, you're gonna be impressed

They said that about the finecast! and now...




But seriously, I'm excited and stop teasing us Tom...

Have faith, this is a resin free zone, no resi-plastic, real deal machine tooled metal mold injection molded plastic just like Mom used to make

MajorTom knows something, clearly.

You dirty tease.

They have to have a case to carry a 4x6 board. If the boards ate 1" thick, then a 4x6 board stacked will be two feet.

1footx1footx2feet is a large object to transport and store. I hope for a large square bag/case to hold them.

May mean the difference between a display board and a gaming table for me.

I highly doubt they will be 1" think, the ROB tiles are like 1/4" thick.

New pic:

No more teasing. Today I received a shipment from China that included 16 samples of our first modular, injection molded tabletop tiles. This project is a reality - and this "Scrap Yard" sample is but the first of many tiles.

The goal is to provide you with multiple themes consisting of 16 tile sets -- enough to provide a 4x4' table with 256 unique layouts! Each theme will include matching terrain, bases, and fortifications... and the "Scrap Yard" set is already complete and will be unveiled with the Kickstarter campaign.

But "Scrap Yard" is only the beginning.....

For scale reference - those are Corporation models, from Mantic Games, on 25mm "Scrap Yard" bases. Each theme will include a mix of flat and raised detail tiles so that you have plenty of room to add LOS blocking terrain -- and enough detail to keep the theme relevant and visually interesting.

Geez, I can see myself ending up with a room full of these, Secret Weapon does great stuff and I love making game boards.

All the info will be forthcoming, but the boards have up to 1" of relief on them, but the default thickness is thinner than the ROB edge. Like ROB you will be able to stack them in ways that reduce the total thickness of a stack a great deal.

Now that the cat is semi out of the bag, yes, it can be safely said the Junkyard theme is only the beginning -

Will one have a fort?

I'll totally consider buying one with a fort!

You'll see, and if not, remember Justin is not some faceless mega-corp, but a dude who is at almost every major event and a huge, huge lifetime painter, modeller and wargamer. He built his company on word of mouth and quality, and also treating the customer right... so I would think a strong demand for something would not fall on deaf ears, though it may take a while to execute.

Tooling molds of that size and at that resolution (20mil+ polygons per) takes time and a great deal of moolah. That being said, all the more reason to want to see this succeed!

 Kanluwen wrote:
MajorTom knows something, clearly.

You dirty tease.

Please note that Tom is providing us with excellent teases and previews.

No spoilers here!

Obviously the mods are hiding behind their facist walls where they have 2 lists... a list of who will be edetid and baned... and a list of things MajorTom11 can tease us with...

seriously, these almost deserve spoiler tags

 Alpharius wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
MajorTom knows something, clearly.

You dirty tease.

Please note that Tom is providing us with excellent teases and previews.

No spoilers here!

Spoiler alert!



On a far more serious and less wacky jokey note...
Would this be able to clip together with RoB tiles? I've been considering getting one of the Imperial Strongpoint tiles from Forge World for awhile and if these tiles could interact well with it that might be the push I need to finally get a Strongpoint.

Hard to say for sure, but the SW tiles look to be a bit thinner?

Shouldn't be too hard to shim something up to size though...

Do not like the 16-tile set number. I have 10 hotdogs in my pack and they are selling me 8 buns. So now I would have to buy two bags of buns to handle my needs. If I need two sets to make a usable board, I am more likely to buy 0 sets than 2 sets.

I'm betting that they'll sell them in 'singles' too, maybe?

Also not sure if it was covered but how are the tiles secured together, clips, tabs..duct tape?

And I am really liking the look of this stuff, my recommendation is allow people to mix and match every tile, so you can make everyone happy.

But this will be a must buy for me if it develops the way its looking, well done sir.

If you look at the most recent pic, on the underside in each corner is a small horse-shoe like shape. My guess is that there will be a connector that latches into that area.

 Cyporiean wrote:
If you look at the most recent pic, on the underside in each corner is a small horse-shoe like shape. My guess is that there will be a connector that latches into that area.

Curious that the connector is on the corner though. Surely that will mean that you need different types of clips depending on whether you want it to be an interior or outer piece? I am sure it will all become clear when the ks starts anyway.

If nothing else, it's probably 1 or 2 different types of connectors... Possibly 1 type that would have to be "applied" twice when you have a 3 corner connector...

I'm trying to think of a point in time where I'd have 3 corners connected, but not a 4th...

They are secured in a very awesome, obvious and easy way... Takes seconds and works well... Have no fear of Rob style clips.

Rest assured you will have all the options you could want for table size.

@Kan all things are possible if you put your mind to it

Just so you guys know SWM has been posting all of the info on there FB so not a lot of teasing on toms.part if you go kook .

Ya not trying to get in trouble here lol!

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Ya not trying to get in trouble here lol!

ml
Lol tom

One thing I will say is a advantage to the 1 foot square size, is working on it, if you have a smallish area for hobby time, then it will make it much easier to deal with.
The RoB boards were very clumsy to work on unless you used the floor or had a nice large table.

A smaller tile will lead to a more relaxed build time, just take a few and watch tv while working on them .

As for tile ideas, hills are easy to build and make modular , so not a real need for those, but I would love to see rivers, trenches, ravines, any form of inverse terrain, that's always a hassle, since it must be modeled on top of the terrain, instead of built into it, but these tiles seem a bit thin for that,

oh well, still will get a load of these when it becomes available.

they need to stop teasing me with images and launch the kickstarter....take my money! Getting things in the works ahead of time is overrated!

Just when I thought it was safe to put the wallet back in my pocketses...

 Necros wrote:
Just when I thought it was safe to put the wallet back in my pocketses...

I almost said that yesterday at a LGS... he had your game in stock... I had to show some restraint and get what I needed Though at least I know of a local place that has it now

You're not kidding!

https://www.facebook.com/SecretWeaponMiniatures

They're hoping for four "themes" for the Kickstarter...

The Boardgame geek in me almost wishes for a hexagon shaped tile

I use to have a huge amount of the old geo-hex stuff, loved it for battletech.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Have faith, this is a resin free zone, no resi-plastic, real deal machine tooled metal mold injection molded plastic just like Mom used to make

I miss my mom's homemade machine tooled metal injection molded plastic.

 Alpharius wrote:
You're not kidding!

https://www.facebook.com/SecretWeaponMiniatures

They're hoping for four "themes" for the Kickstarter...

 Breotan wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Have faith, this is a resin free zone, no resi-plastic, real deal machine tooled metal mold injection molded plastic just like Mom used to make

I miss my mom's homemade machine tooled metal injection molded plastic.

My mom just made batch after batch of bathtub gin... :-\

Do we have a possible ETA on Kickstarter launch/possible end? I think the more heads up we have to begin putting money aside, the better

From facebook the KS is going for approval and will be up as soon as they can within the next week probably.

More interested in this bit:

Secret Weapon Miniatures - Brian, we have plans for multiple themes -- and one of our first stretch goals will be for Urban Streets. This will include both ruined and (comparatively) clean street sections so they can be used with both the Urban Streets and Urban Rubble base sets. BAM!

by the sounds of it bases may be an add on option in the KS.

That was me!

They've said on the FB that for stretch goals they will be doing NON-Destroyed urban tiles! This makes me

Wow, this looks pretty exciting... if these are the right price, it's a sure thing for me.

These look really good, i guess it's all down to the price + shipping costs now.

I'll be in for a 2 sets then - urban and urban destroyed!

I just hope that...

The price is right boys, don't expect 50 bucks for a table, remember we are talking a substantial amount of plastic here. However, by any means, by any evaluation, the price will most definitely be very, very strong. It's really gonna be a no-brainer.

I feel like either
1) MT11 had a hand in the development of this product
or'
2) He did painting for the mockups/display versions...

3) He is secretly the alternate, Canadian Ego of Mr. Justin...

As long as I can get a 3'x3' field, I'll most likely pledge.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I feel like either
1) MT11 had a hand in the development of this product
or'
2) He did painting for the mockups/display versions...

3) He is secretly the alternate, Canadian Ego of Mr. Justin...

Nope to all 3 lol! I was privy to a few things but nothing more than that.

To be completely transparant, I bought a ROB board last year before I ever knew about this. I spent a great deal of time painting it up and it is all done downstairs. I will not be buying this product simply because of all the work I already did on the board I have.

That being said, if I did know this would be happening I would have held off, and I can say that with 100% honesty. I have been a big fan of Secret Weapon for years and Justin has become a friend since meeting him at Adepticon last year. He really knows his stuff, is generous with his knowledge, participates in the community and his product is top notch, nearly all my bases, pigments, washes, brass and scenics come from him, and I haven't had an issue with a single one.

So, I have no stake in this, my enthusiasm is pure, unfiltered, unbiased support for a really sexy, well priced new product that I think will be great for the audience, I.E - all you guys

I'm just a fan is all! And I am pretty sure most of you will be too when you see the KS launch, the stuff speaks for itself, he really doesn't need to play a marketing game here, he put in the work, right through to production samples, he has the distribution network in place, his shipping has always been very fair... this genuinely is a kickstarter in the real sense, the product is great but tooling is incredibly expensive, funding this is directly funding ready to go, truly production ready stuff.

Since it's production ready and he's already got production samples done, can we expect a relatively fast shipping time from the close of the KS?

I understand a lot of them have 6 months+ shipping times because many products are not yet ready for production.

I'm hoping that there are add-ons like the Bones KS had, where for $X you can add Y to your pledge level.

I'd very much like 4x6 which means I'll need another 8 tiles.

That I'll have to leave to the KS to answer, which should be starting up soon!

Tom, while we have your ear (eyes), do you have any idea how dice roll on these bad boys? One of my biggest issues with the RoB board is that dice bounce everywhere on them...

I'm excited. Even for display board purposes this is brilliant, let alone for home play. Depending on the price (and I definitely don't expect basement pricing) I'm in. Not sure for how many but this could be a kickstarter I get re-involved with. I haven't kickstarted anything since Kingdom Death (and my wallet thanks me since I think my average over 3 KS's has been $400+)

 Alfndrate wrote:
Tom, while we have your ear (eyes), do you have any idea how dice roll on these bad boys? One of my biggest issues with the RoB board is that dice bounce everywhere on them...

One thing that I highly recommend is a dice tower.

I've lost countless dice over the years to rolling on hard bouncy surfaces.

Dice Towers

Also, hooray I learned how to rename url's in forums.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Tom, while we have your ear (eyes), do you have any idea how dice roll on these bad boys? One of my biggest issues with the RoB board is that dice bounce everywhere on them...

I couldn't say man, haven't seen them in person but this is a good question!

Personally I use those felt lined dice octogon thingies, keeps the rolling more manageable and tidy and theoretically helps my paintjob on the table take a little less abuse too! In all honesty, though this is a complete guess, I wouldn't expect the dice rolling to be too different, plastic is plastic. Total guess though, could be wrong, and worth maybe asking Justin to do a little test once the KS gets rolling!


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I use one of these btw -

http://www.amazon.com/10-INCH-WOOD-DICE-TRAY/dp/B000XVG8XY

Obviously Secret Weapon should include those as an option

I don't normally have issues with losing dice/abuse to the table as I normally play with a GW Grass mat resting over two 2'x4' mdf boards. I'm just curious, I might ask this on the fb page...

And I'm with Hulksmash, I'd love these for display board purposes alone

I'm seriously excited about this one!

I just need (OK, want!) confirmation on URBAN and DESTROYED URBAN tile sets!

Okay come on, enough of this waiting. I want to buy them already!

 Alfndrate wrote:

My mom just made batch after batch of bathtub gin... :-\

I think I used to live next door to your mom...


...did she drive a big, white van?

I'm interested.

If they are priced to do a 4x6 table for $100-$125 or less, I'll jump all over it. More than that, and I'll have to really think about it.

I am really looking forward to these

I wonder what kinds of boards we will see!

I highly doubt it, but do we know if there is going to be a "retailer" level?

If there is, I might request my FLGS owner pick it up, and I'd gladly pay the KS price of a board to him instead (that way Mr. Justin et al. get their cut, and I don't have to feel guilty about wanting to occasionally set it up at my FLGS )

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
If they are priced to do a 4x6 table for $100-$125 or less, I'll jump all over it. More than that, and I'll have to really think about it.

I'd be stunned if they can get them out for $4.17 to $5.21 per tile (24 tiles needed for a 4x6 table) especially considering shipping costs

but fingers crossed!

I'm looking at getting a 6x4 foot board in the next few months.

If this is priced at less than GW's board including shipping then they will have a buyer, if not then my cash will go to GW.

Simple

I have good hopes since it is Secret Weapons.
Still, call me when he makes something else than streets, bricks and tires ... you know ... something SciFi-like.

I'm hoping for something in the style of their new Tau Ceti bases

http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=79_30_105

So, any ideas as to plain tiles --- anyone??

I just want some plain easily transportable tiles that can be used for historical and if painted blue, for good ol' pirates of the spanish main.

If they don't do rivers and trenches something is wrong wiht them. those are the 2 classic things you can never do right on a flat table.

Nice catch Dave C - that might be the "Urban" table style?

 Alpharius wrote:
Nice catch Dave C - that might be the "Urban" table style?

Nah Tau Ceti is Sci Fi they said the Urban stuff would fit with these bases: http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=79_30_36

I'm thinking I'd like a TAU CETI style of an INFINITY table though...

We'll see!

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm thinking I'd like a TAU CETI style of an INFINITY table though...

We'll see!

SECONDED!!! You know sometime soon you and I will have to sit down for a game of Infinity btw.

So, no generic tiles then? Just themed ones?

Pass.

All I'd really want is a single board that is generic enough to be used for anything. Shame Games and Gears didn't fund, plain old sand tiles would be great. If I want to glue some tyres or scrap metal on to it I can, no need to have those moulded on to the board.

2x2 is definitely better than 1x1, too many visible seams on 1x1, looks like you're playing on a spreadsheet rather than a gaming board.

I am hoping for one big Alien hive tile.

 scarletsquig wrote:
So, no generic tiles then? Just themed ones?

Pass.

All I'd really want is a single board that is generic enough to be used for anything. Shame Games and Gears didn't fund, plain old sand tiles would be great. If I want to glue some tyres or scrap metal on to it I can, no need to have those moulded on to the board.

2x2 is definitely better than 1x1, too many visible seams on 1x1, looks like you're playing on a spreadsheet rather than a gaming board.

"Generic" as we know it may be one of the themes: open field landscape.

I don't imagine this would go well if every single set was some VERY specific theme.

Yeah, I'd be a little shocked if there weren't a flat panel or two. And I'd be shocked if a "sand" one wasn't done eventually. Even as a single panel it would work for desert and ocean which would be solid. And they don't need to make giant groups of them because they are so generic.

We'll see.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yeah, I'd be a little shocked if there weren't a flat panel or two. And I'd be shocked if a "sand" one wasn't done eventually. Even as a single panel it would work for desert and ocean which would be solid. And they don't need to make giant groups of them because they are so generic.

We'll see.

You could also paint it black, hit it with some blue/purple/green from a air brush and spots. Bam. Space board.

I've been wondering whether this KS was gonna be worth backing. Kinda figured it was just gonna be another crappy overpriced heap of plastic tiles like the ROB board. But the info MT11 has been nice enough to dole out to us and the unabashed enthusiasm everyone seems to have for this project has got me excited for it as well. This may just be the first KS i back.


I'd really be interested in a board to match their Tau Ceti bases. Not enough Tau themed terrain around. Imagine if they offered a trench style board though. That alone would probably be enough to fund the project and all it's stretch goals. I know i'd certainly buy one.

You will be happy then, maybe not with the tau ceti, yet, but otherwise happy

One thing to note guys, is to make really clear the costs of plastic on this scale. A full set of tiles (16unique) is in the neighborhood of 80k to tool, not counting development, packaging, distribution or even making copies, we are talking just the molds. This, combined with the industrial design involved in actually making a viable 3d template means it is incredibly tough to pull off plastic due to both the expense and lack of specialists. Beware ks's that only show zbrush renders people, less so for resin, but for plastics be skeptical as hell.

All in all, it will be important for everyone to be realistic with their expectations, it isn't gonna be 100 bucks for a 6x4 table... The price will be right, and very compelling, but it will cost more than a land raider lol!

While I have much higher hopes for Secret Weapon's table, i will say that Games & Gears are advertising that their 6x4 will only be $100 in their upcoming Kickstarter.

Though its also looking like they are doing 2'x2' tiles.

If they can get somewhere between 33%(Full retail)-50%(kickstarter-ish) less than a Realm of Battle for a full 6x4 (and smaller units priced appropriately) then they'll do just fine.

The main thing is this being available at a reasonable price for individual tiles which will bring more people in.

A smart thing which I'm sure they're already considering is framing for 2x1 or 2x2 for display board purposes.

Then you should be pleased again, for several reasons. As far as I am concerned, on price, quality and shipping, it's an absolute no brainer, the #s and boards speak for themselves. The only real obstacle to it being a fantastic purchase if you are in the market for detailed boards is whether or not the initial themes blow up your skirt. Other than that, there isn't anything better out there atm IMHO

I'm not here - and I'm certainly not commenting on this thread...

But if I were I'd say that a 4x8' Tablescapes setup will save you at least 33% when compared to the previously mentioned plastic injection table from another company -- and with 32 tiles to mix-and-match you will be able to change your layout every single day for more than two years without ever playing the same board twice.

But you didn't hear any of this from me, because I was never here....

 misterjustin wrote:
I'm not here - and I'm certainly not commenting on this thread...

But if I were I'd say that a 4x8' Tablescapes setup will save you at least 33% when compared to the previously mentioned plastic injection table from another company -- and with 32 tiles to mix-and-match you will be able to change your layout every single day for more than two years without ever playing the same board twice.

But you didn't hear any of this from me, because I was never here....

$200 for a 4x8 table of 32 tiles is a damn good deal.

KS needs to be up already.

That would be a damn good deal - of course mine will come in at a pinch higher than that... but only because of math.

Wait... dammit... I'm supposed to be going to bed. GAH!

---- EDIT ----

I will say this -- after reading your comments I made changes to the stretch goals. There will not be two smaller, "generic" tile stretch-goals that are not represented in the promotional video.

This is your fault.

So... thanks.

See? He actually listens and gives a poo! How could you not love that

I know that some people are not excited about the junkyard tiles, but my Gorkamorka-loving @$$ is totally stoked for them. Get this Kickstarter started so I can throw money at you!

Hmmm quality product $200 ish plus postage or competitors product at $450 aus....makes the decision kinda easy.

totally agree with the above comment!

pleas get the KS up already! i am hoping for desert tiles!!

Joyboozer wrote:
Hmmm quality product $200 ish plus postage or competitors product at $450 aus....makes the decision kinda easy.

As MT11 said, its a no brainer. It would still be worth it at the ~$300 mark.

Barring warpstorm, Rok strike or some other unfortunate calamity i will almost certainly be backing this.

Be kinda cool to have the ruined city as the center of a board with the "junk yard" on the outside like an approach....

@Justin

Looking forward to this man. Love your other products and expect this to be on the same level. Get a trench table up and going quick though since those are the bases for the majority of my forces and you totally want me buying even more bases than the ridiculous amount I've already purchased

 misterjustin wrote:
That would be a damn good deal - of course mine will come in at a pinch higher than that... but only because of math.

Wait... dammit... I'm supposed to be going to bed. GAH!

In your defence your looking at doing 16 unique tiles to make up your board from. If Game and Gears 2nd time around is like their 1st, they will not even have half that many tiles to choose from.

Neither approach is bad, just different goals.

Price point sounds right on target for what it should be. My previous comment was more of a hope due to limited funds currently

I don't know if you can get SW stuff in the U.K. as ive never seen it. Postage costs from the U.S. to UK put me off. I cant see this being worthwhile to most outside the U.S. initially.

Motograter wrote:
I don't know if you can get SW stuff in the U.K. as ive never seen it. Postage costs from the U.S. to UK put me off. I cant see this being worthwhile to most outside the U.S. initially.

Pretty much like most Kickstarters really - the recent USPS price hikes have really destroyed ordering stuff from US for me.

Motograter wrote:
I don't know if you can get SW stuff in the U.K. as ive never seen it. Postage costs from the U.S. to UK put me off. I cant see this being worthwhile to most outside the U.S. initially.

Valiant wargames stock secret weapon in the UK.
http://www.valiantwargames.co.uk/index.php/secret-weapon.html

Yep postage is going to be a big consideration here $100 for a 4x4 setup is a good price but if postage is another $50 to $60 then it requires more thought and these will be heavy and then there's the possibility of VAT (23% for me plus €6 handling fee for the post office)

Same thing here, I would love to pick some up but the txes and shipping will mostly kill it as there's no way a box of that size will go unnoticed by customs. The Dreamforge kickstarter already got upped by €50 for taxes and all (it still was a pretty good deal in the end though). But it'll depend on what the maths will say on this, I"d love to back but not if it'll cost me more than getting it retail later on. :(

I am so in for this board... Open the Kickstarter already dammit! I have money I need to throw at you!

As soon as it's announced, I'll be passing the word around the FLGS and singing Secret Weapon's praises

Oh i'm so hyped for this! any guesses for how much these modular sections will be?

I think I will have to chime in and agree with the sentiment that shipping is going to be most of the barrier to entry for me on this one.

I have had to pass on several amazing kickstarters recently for this reason. UK/EU to Aus is really cheap, but anything from North America is usally not doable.

Will wait and see.

I've not seen anything even semi official other than 'cheaper than the competition'

(although some have been speculating on $10-20 per tile before shipping, I'm not sure if this is based on insider knowledge or just plain guessing)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I've not seen anything even semi official other than 'cheaper than the competition'

(although some have been speculating on $10-20 per tile before shipping, I'm not sure if this is based on insider knowledge or just plain guessing)

If the $10-20 for each square foot tile is accurate the cost would be ≳ to GW's "Realm of Battle" which is 24 square feet for $290 (about $12/sqft). I have a feeling that it's going to have to be less than $10, especially for the Kickstarter price, to gain any traction.

Personally for me to consider it it's going to need to convince me that it's a better option than this:
http://www.zuzzy.com/wc-bb-001-terra-flex-gaming-mat.html

I know it's a completely different material but it serves the same purpose, and since I make a lot of plaster terrain I do worry about the weight distorting/breaking the plastic. Anyway, I've been thinking about picking up one or two of these mats once I finish making a bunch of buildings, so I'm in the market for a board/mat, but there are a lot of options out there.

 Unix wrote:
≳

This symbol. What does it mean? Never ran across it before!

Slightly more on topic. From what I am hearing, the prices sound like they will be very decent. I don't need an entire board, jut enough to display my Thousand Sons on. Although, come to think of it, the rate they are expanding I may need an entire board...

I'm not entirely certain, but I believe that means "greater than or approximately equal to"

≳ is greater than or equal to.

EDIT actually yeah recruittons is more accurate with greater than or approximately equal to (the lower line is wavy)

Ahh, approximately equal to. Makes sense!

You know we are bored when we start talking about obscure mathematical symbols... Where is the Kickstarter page already!

I'm still waiting on final approval from KS so that we can launch, but here is some...

OFFICIAL NEWS AND NUMBERS!

$125 -- that's your 16 tile set price before shipping

$225 -- that's your 32 tile set price before shipping

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

I have partnered with Mantic Games in the UK -- AND THEY ARE HANDLING UK SHIPPING!

So, yes, UK/EU shipping will be affordable. BAM!

But while I'm talking price there's something worth mentioning again -- if you have a 32 tile set you can change your layout every day for more than two years and never play the same landscape twice.

Or you could be stuck on the price -- in which case I'll give you this:

$125 * 3 = $375 .... and gives you enough tiles to make TWO 4x6' tables for $187.50 each. That, my friends, is a bargain.

Hrm... a buck 25 for a 4x4 table?

Extremely tempting... You sir had had my curiosity, now (that we have a solid price on it), you have my attention.

This thread needs more "official" leaked images

thats some solid pricing, also hope with Mantic in the loop that shipping for our friends in AU wont be too rough. Looking forward to this KS getting started so we can get a view of all the options, though adding this KS to the DF kickstarter means my wallet isnt going to be happy with me

Oh wow, UK partner, yeah I'm definitely in on this as well, wasn't sure before with how shipping ramps things up.

Just hope there's a style of tiles that I like now.

Can we pick & choose whatever tiles we want? Not interested in anything sci fi or modern looking stuff, but I'd like the tiles for demoing my game, which is a western

I have the ROB board, and I'm not a fan of transporting the 2x2 tiles, I figure 1x1 will be much easier to work with.. and the ROB's molded-on hills make it tough to have a lot of buildings.

For the math inclined vs. a certain other companies product:

At the 4x4 Level:
Secret Weapons: $7.81 per square foot
Other Guy (2 2x4 packs): $12.50

So right at 66% of the other guys cost.

At the 6x4 Level:
Secret Weapons: $9.38
Other Guy: 12.08

And that doesn't count the extra 8SF you get thru Secret Weapons.

Is there a 4' x 6' table size option too?

Great news to have a solid tangible price and a very attractive price at that.

Will being partnered with Mantic affect the Aus shipping rates at all? Also can you tell us for certain what style of boards will be available?

Another bit from the book of faces

"Each themed set (so not generic) will also include modular walls so that you have bases and terrain in the same theme."

Not sure if that means the 4x4 set will include walls as standard which makes them even better value or if they will be extra add ons. Happy to hear about the partnership with Mantic for EU shipping.

I think that even if there is 'only' a 4' x 4' and 4' x 8' option, as long as we can also buy singles, it will all be OK!

Plus matching bases and terrain themes - nice!

For the lazy / non facebook folks here are some info nuggets (some info might already be mentioned in this thread but including just to be safe)

each set will include 16 UNIQUE tile designs

one of our first stretch goals will be for Urban Streets. This will include both ruined and (comparatively) clean street sections so they can be used with both the Urban Streets and Urban Rubble base sets

OF COURSE we'll have a bag option for you!

The stretch goals have now been updated to reflect two "generic" themes that will work in multiple scales and without the need for specific theme matching

each 16 tile theme set still includes some "plain" options within that theme. So "Ruined Temple" wouldn't be ALL temple floors, although you might find a broken column in your "plain" tiles.

there are two "generic" tile sets in the stretch goals -- and they're there because of feedback from folks like you. We've got you covered! Each themed set (so not generic) will also include modular walls so that you have bases and terrain in the same theme. As for 15mm... that's down the road a bit.


Also i think the pricing might be a dakka exclusive as I havent seen it posted anywhere else


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 Alpharius wrote:
I think that even if there is 'only' a 4' x 4' and 4' x 8' option, as long as we can also buy singles, it will all be OK!

Plus matching bases and terrain themes - nice!

from the facebook comments it sounds like at some point you will be able to buy singles but not initially

Because I'm designing the boards in 16 tile sets -- a 4x4' board -- there is no 4x6' option...

BUT!

When you buy a 4x8' option for less than the cost of the existing 4x6' table you certainly don't have to use all of the tiles. Or, like I said, you can buy three sets of tiles and split them with a buddy to make two 4x6' tables at a bargain price.

I am also waiting to hear back from my Australian distributor to see if they will handle OZ and NZ shipping for me.

The walls will be add-on products, and I will also offer scatter terrain -- much like the existing Scrap Yard destroyed tank and barricades products that are available now.

I'm hoping to finish painting four of the sample tiles this morning -- and I'll get photos posted when I can... that will included painted tiles, walls, scatter terrain, and models. BAM!

And, yes, you will eventually be able to buy singles -- but only after I get everything shipped so we have room in the warehouse to STORE all of those singles.....

Ok, well I will be down for the 4X8 and likely this will become a very habit forming item..I love terrain.

And will the tiles be thick enough to model effective trench and or rivers in future expansions, because that will be a HUGE seller as far as I am concerned.

also a futuristic city tiles are also another thing that will get my money flying from my wallet.

Bravo on this, I am sure it will be a goldmine!

Cant wait to see it up on KS.

On a completely separate note. Justin when you gonna make some dock type round lip bases? My Mercs are coming and I need something all awesome and strait out of the see looking.

misterjustin wrote:But while I'm talking price there's something worth mentioning again -- if you have a 32 tile set you can change your layout every day for more than two years and never play the same landscape twice.

More than two years is definitely right, If you just bought 16 tiles, there are 20,922,789,888,000 combinations (yes, 20 Trillion). For those who are curious, is somewhere on the order of 57,322,712,02 years ... and I didn't even count the fact that each tile has 4 directions... don't plug 16!*4^16 into your calculator, it's a ridiculously huge number.

I'm most likely going to be getting at least one set... but the ability to get 2 4x6 table's worth is really tempting. I'll have to contain myself :3c

 ironicsilence wrote:
For the lazy / non facebook folks here are some info nuggets (some info might already be mentioned in this thread but including just to be safe)

each set will include 16 UNIQUE tile designs

one of our first stretch goals will be for Urban Streets. This will include both ruined and (comparatively) clean street sections so they can be used with both the Urban Streets and Urban Rubble base sets

So the streets (ruined and not ruined) are add-ons that sit on top of the board?

Kind of sounds that way but ill leave it to Justin to confirm if they sit on top or are just separate tiles, nothing else in the facebook post to confirm one way or another

Urban Streets will be a completely separate tile theme, with a separate wall system, and separate scatter terrain.

If the streets mentioned were part of the board I would be seriously looking for another Aussie to split the 3 table worth deal with! this whole idea sounds absolutely brilliant and with their level of quality products and service they could very well take over the world!

Ach fer the love of...I managed to convince myself not to spend any more money other than on the Raging Heroes KS, and now you come along with themed 4x4 tile sets that will likely be perfect for INQ28 games. My wallet hates you and your lovely product.

Oh, one thing; what's the situation going to be re taxes for UK/EU customers? If Mantic are dealing with our shipping, does that mean our prices will include necessary taxes, or are we going to get hit with them after the KS ends?

Yes, the streets will be part of the tiles -- as will sidewalks, raised foundations, culverts, sewer entrances, etc.

@Yodhrin: Everything *SHOULD* be taken care of when the palettes are delivered to Mantic. Should being relative, of course....

Well you got me on board instantly! get it.... on 'board'! :-)

I got it.... can I give it back now?

lol yeah allright you can give it back! but you can't give back any money i give you!

So misterjustin while we have your attention I take it you have already submitted this to KS for approval and are just waiting for that approval to go?

I am simply waiting for approval. I am, in fact, sitting at my desk painting 4 of the sample tiles and watching my email....

The moment I get the green light you can be sure I'll launch the campaign. I'd like it to go live today. We'll see what happens....

What's the anticipated delivery?

 misterjustin wrote:
I am simply waiting for approval. I am, in fact, sitting at my desk painting 4 of the sample tiles and watching my email....

You know what they say good sir...

Um, this may sound ignorant but I've never been part of a KS before and i'm not sure exactly how they operate? all I know is I have money and you have a brilliant idea!

Thanks, Fridays can be a pretty bad day to get approval as a lot of projects launch on a Friday for the weekend hopefully your near the top of the pile for approval today then.

Give us pics. Oh, god, give us pics. Without them...

I submitted for approval on Thursday early AM - so we could be sitting until Monday, but...

I'm hoping to deliver the first table set NO LATER than October of this year. Because the Scrap Yard bases and walls are finished, and the renders nearly so, this should be an easy one for us. This will also allow us to start the renders for any stretch goals while the KS is still active and thus further reduce production times.

However we are looking at a six month per theme production schedule -- and any reduction of that will be aces. The mini-goals, being the "generic" and "Desert" tile sets, should NOT impact this schedule because they're small runs and simple designs.

But I brought this product as close to market launch as I could -- and, but for the last of the necessary funding, it's ready to go. No tricks, no smoke-and-mirrors, no hoping for one meeeeelion dollars... just a legitimate, old school style Kickstarter.

Based on the current exchange rate that I just googled; and with a little bit more maths. If it's $125 for a 4'x4', in GBP that works out at £80. £5 per tile.

For the 4'x8', in GBP that works out at £146. £4.50 per tile.

Obviously this doesn't factor in shipping, but DAMN dude, that is CHEAP!

Fething SOLD!!

Let me give you all my money already!

I want in on this! Since there is talk of walls does that mean you will be creating tiles to simulate hives or ship interiors? If so just like others in this site I to will be throwing my money at you as well. I wanted the tiles from FW, but the price is the only thing preventing me from purchasing a 4x4 set. I wish you success in your endeavor.

Cypher - my long-term plans do include hives and ship interiors. In fact one of the tables I want most, personally, is a train yard and warehouse complex... but that's not in the initial run. But I have always wanted to play games on tables that include indoor and outdoor terrain. So, as long as I can keep selling the tables you'll keep seeing new sets.

misterjustin - I was planning to get the RoB table this weekend....you have just changed my mind with the comment about generic and sand tile. My money awaits you!

 misterjustin wrote:
Cypher - my long-term plans do include hives and ship interiors. In fact one of the tables I want most, personally, is a train yard and warehouse complex... but that's not in the initial run. But I have always wanted to play games on tables that include indoor and outdoor terrain. So, as long as I can keep selling the tables you'll keep seeing new sets.

I was just talking about building a train yard table a few weeks ago..

Hopefully you'll get approved soon.

Phenomenal! Will there be an option for a 4x6 package instead of needing to buy 2 4x4 boards? will there be hills? You've already sold me a table to no matter but I still wanted to toss the questions your way.
Also if you have any questions about makeing your train yard realistic, I'm a locomotive engineer so I can answer any questions you may have about train yard layouts and what-not.

You sir are my new hero. Now to get my taxes done so I can help with the KS. You saved me money and the hassle of dealing with resin terrain. I have a space hulk set with some of the WD add ons in resin and they get chipped a lot and a pain to transport. So you can count me in for moral and financial support.

 Newabortion wrote:
Phenomenal! Will there be an option for a 4x6 package instead of needing to buy 2 4x4 boards? will there be hills? You've already sold me a table to no matter but I still wanted to toss the questions your way.
Also if you have any questions about makeing your train yard realistic, I'm a locomotive engineer so I can answer any questions you may have about train yard layouts and what-not.

 misterjustin wrote:
Because I'm designing the boards in 16 tile sets -- a 4x4' board -- there is no 4x6' option...

BUT!

When you buy a 4x8' option for less than the cost of the existing 4x6' table you certainly don't have to use all of the tiles. Or, like I said, you can buy three sets of tiles and split them with a buddy to make two 4x6' tables at a bargain price.

I am also waiting to hear back from my Australian distributor to see if they will handle OZ and NZ shipping for me.

The walls will be add-on products, and I will also offer scatter terrain -- much like the existing Scrap Yard destroyed tank and barricades products that are available now.

I'm hoping to finish painting four of the sample tiles this morning -- and I'll get photos posted when I can... that will included painted tiles, walls, scatter terrain, and models. BAM!

And, yes, you will eventually be able to buy singles -- but only after I get everything shipped so we have room in the warehouse to STORE all of those singles.....

So, no.

But I'll probably be in for a 4' x 8' and obvisouly you can make a 4' x 6' out of that too!

Alpharius hit it -- and you CAN build a 4x6' table out of your 4x8' set of tiles... AND KEEP MIXING IT UP so it's always fresh. BAM!

What a happy coincidence. The government just sent me a heap of money. It's almost like they want me to buy this stuff!

Justin, you'll be at AdeptiCon next week right? Will you have any of these on display? Possibly so that I could get Ernie, Bert, and Oscar to "persuade" you to "give" me one of these tiles?

I certainly won't be giving away tiles at Adepticon -- but I will have 4 tiles, the walls, scatter terrain, and bases on display... FULLY PAINTED.

I probably missed this in all of the discussion, but are these designed to clip together?

Anyone know how "tall" they are when set up next to a RoB board?

 misterjustin wrote:
I certainly won't be giving away tiles at Adepticon -- but I will have 4 tiles, the walls, scatter terrain, and bases on display... FULLY PAINTED.

>_> I was gonna get a few muppets from Sesame Street to mug you...

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
I probably missed this in all of the discussion, but are these designed to clip together?

Anyone know how "tall" they are when set up next to a RoB board?

They are indeed going to attach together somehow - but I've no idea on how 'compatible' they are with... that other product!

They said (on facebook I think) that these are NOT the same depth as the forgeworld tiles

(they're not as deep, I want to say 1/4 inch, but I can't find the reference so I may be wrong there)

but they said that if you want mix them with FW tiles it should be easy enough to boost the height to match with foamboard or whatever (of course that will make them harder to store)

If look at the corners of the underside of the tiles it looks like there is some sort of attachement point for clips

Train yard sounds great to me.. please make the tracks "O" sized Or will you be making your own trains to go with it?

The tracks would indeed be "O" scale --- when it happens, of course.

The questions about tile height and connection have been answered -- so I'll go back to compulsively refreshing my email while I wait for the approval....


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I'll just put this here....


http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures

 Commander Cain wrote:
What a happy coincidence. The government just sent me a heap of money. It's almost like they want me to buy this stuff!

Bastard! The government gave me money, but then the state took more of it!

Wish you all the good luck

 misterjustin wrote:
The tracks would indeed be "O" scale --- when it happens, of course.

The questions about tile height and connection have been answered -- so I'll go back to compulsively refreshing my email while I wait for the approval....

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I'll just put this here....

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-by-secret-weapon-miniatures

I'll go back to compulsively refreshing this page.... and look it paid off!

Sweet early bird special.

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:


I'll go back to compulsively refreshing this page.... and look it paid off!

Sweet early bird special.

Same here, think I was #5

A while to wait before it goes from phantom dollars to real ones I need to pay, so think I can wrangle the cash... The list of stretch goals, and the fact that I can play 3x3 or 4x4 on it sold me...


Really hoping to see the desert and trench boards, but if this doesn't explode, I'll still be happy with the city or generic ones.

Well I went for the Skirmisher EB glad to see the $125 includes the shipping as well. I considered the Wargamer level but then I saw that you can add a second set of 16 for $108 so it will only cost me $8 to keep my options open. This is all dependent on it hitting $160k for the Urban streets I'm not interested in the scrapyard.

Shipping being included did it for me. Pledged!

Oh, do you want to make a new thread now that your kickstarter is active Mister Justin? That way you can keep the title updated when we hit a stretch goal and we don't have 7 pages of overenthusiastic gamers getting far too excited!

I am in for the 4'x8'!

Good luck with this misterjustin! ...

Is it just me or is Skirmisher Deluxe priced wrong.

Skirmisher plus a set of Walls $150 + $135 = $285
Skirmisher Deluxe (same thing as far as I can see) = $300

and with an EB it's even cheaper at $260 or am I missing something?

EDIT: same for Wargamer plus walls $385 versus Wargamer Deluxe $400

And pledged..now as long as we don't have nuclear war in asia, October will be a great month!

I have a couple soldier buddies that likely will jump on this too.

Well lets hit that 400K mark, and see what that unlocks

Backed at the Wargame level.

Sooo, went in for the early bird 8x4 and might upgrade to the 4x4 deluxe depending on how many walls/terrain you get.. I'd love a scale shot of them, because a 4x4 heavy terrain junkyard would be a very different, but cool setting for some infinity.

 DaveC wrote:
Well I went for the Skirmisher EB glad to see the $125 includes the shipping as well. I considered the Wargamer level but then I saw that you can add a second set of 16 for $108 so it will only cost me $8 to keep my options open. This is all dependent on it hitting $160k for the Urban streets I'm not interested in the scrapyard.

Same here. I backed the "Wargamer" level in anticipation that they'll hit the stretch for urban streets. If that doesn't happen I'll seriously consider pulling funding at the end.

And SOLD!!!

Lucky pledger 54 of the 100 sets for $225!!!

And now we wait...

Also, I need to find a sig banner for this KS.

 Polonius wrote:
Backed at the Wargame level.

Same here - can't wait to see what the Urban Streets look like!

Looking forward to the Generics and the Trenches!

in on the early bird wargamer


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20k in the first few minutes is pretty awesome

Well, shipping was solved soooooo pledged. I swore I wouldn't get any table to game on untill we actually moved house but, plans change .

I do hope we get a bit higher now though, would most prefer universal or city stuff (Well, trenchworks would be the most epic since I just began a DKK army and it would give me a valid excuse to blow some cash on those nice bases aswell, but tbh, I doubt we'll hit that ).

Regardless, it will be an awesome table, hope it'll keep on going strong with the rise, a fairly solid first sprint, lets hope it won't level off to much.

BTW, video said 1/4" thickness. That's pretty much an exact fit with Realms of battle.

 ironicsilence wrote:
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20k in the first few minutes is pretty awesome

Yeah, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the city tiles..

Kickstarter is going drain me of all my funds this months.. not to mention my wife..

 DaveC wrote:
Well I went for the Skirmisher EB glad to see the $125 includes the shipping as well. I considered the Wargamer level but then I saw that you can add a second set of 16 for $108 so it will only cost me $8 to keep my options open. This is all dependent on it hitting $160k for the Urban streets I'm not interested in the scrapyard.

My exact thinking. I want to see how the different sets line up with each other.

 DaveC wrote:
Is it just me or is Skirmisher Deluxe priced wrong.

It's not just you -- the wrong prices were added to the add-on menu. I'll have that corrected -- sorry for the hassle, but thank you for the catch. I can't believe we all missed that!!!

Is the 16 tiles one set, or is it possible to mix it from all available unlocked tiles?

 misterjustin wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Is it just me or is Skirmisher Deluxe priced wrong.

It's not just you -- the wrong prices were added to the add-on menu. I'll have that corrected -- sorry for the hassle, but thank you for the catch. I can't believe we all missed that!!!

Ah OK I knew something didn't add up but I figured I'd mention it here first rather than on the KS comments just in case.

I think the front page looks great - Ive seen some cool Kickstarters recently with just really hard to navigate front pages. So this is nice and clean and well organized.

Two suggestions:

The complete table layout in the video was a bit washed out by the light coming from the window and it's hard to appreciate some of the details in the shots of the tile in that first picture after the video. Once you get a few tiles painted up I would update the front page with those as the first image showing the detail and contrast - and a still image of a complete board set up.

Also a suggestion on stretch goals? If possible, consider adding additional terrain add-ons at the halfway mark between Themes. For example if you need another 80k to unlock the Ruined Temple theme, I suggest adding Ruined Temple add-on scatter terrain at 40k. There will be wargamers who would be eager to buy that terrain for any number of pre-existing boards and bringing it out early keeps the momentum & good vibes going and helps push for the next full theme.

They've updated the add on costs - shot myself in the foot there! extra 16 tiles gone from $108 to $135 - ah well best to get the correct prices out now I doubt with the tight costs that Secret Weapon could afford to carry any errors in pricing later particularly not a 10% one.

Just backed for the Skirmisher level, I've got a question.

If we reach the generics or trenches or golden hills, what have you. Will we have the option of trading out our urban set for one of those sets?

Woot! Justin congrats brother.

Hope @ 160 we get a jungle set.

And I pledged, early bird and all that. That money was supposed to go to Raging Heroes, but this is too good to pass up on!

@Cryptek - the scatter and other terrain will not be covered by the KS, because it's already in development. That is standard SWM product and I'll cover the cost of that completely. But given that I don't know which will be ready first, or on time for KS pledge delivery, I've left it off. My goal is to make sure that anything you're pledging for can be delivered ON TIME and without complications.

@Alfndrate - you will be able select ANY of the unlocked themes for your pledge.

THANK YOU EVERYONE!

We broke 25% in less than an hour -- and I had six pledges before I even made an announcement. WOW!

You should "quickly" add some board avatars and other things to spread the message of you kickstarter
I guess you've already planed on sending loads of info notes to all the popular community pages, riiight?

This is great. Its wonderful that in this time of animosity and distrust towards certain companies that occasionally somebody comes along and does something that people love and appreciate.

I'm in for $225, I can tell this is going to be a big one!

 misterjustin wrote:
@Alfndrate - you will be able select ANY of the unlocked themes for your pledge.

Awesome, because while I like the current offerings, I don't play much in the way of games that would truly benefit from that sort of thing, so generic or other styles would be better for me

Glad to see this is such a hit!

 Kroothawk wrote:
Is the 16 tiles one set, or is it possible to mix it from all available unlocked tiles?

I feel that it could be a different set per 16, seeing as he is selling them by the 16, I don't see a reason why he couldn't do that.

I would love to have grasslands and ruined city, they could go so well together if done right.

32.000$ passed, early bird offers almost gone.

I'm glad I got the 4x8 early bird in. I was scared my computer at work wouldn't allow me to use kickstarter becuse of silly filtering.

<-- is Skirmisher #95

Almost missed it.. stupid meeting about email servers...

Even with a goal of $80k, I'm betting you'll have that within 24 hours... This one's gonna do quite well, I reckon.

I would love a hi-tech or jungle themed tile set, but the urban one I can make work or even just a grassland.

A tau-ish one would be a instant buy for me, and would work well for infinity as well.

Yup everyone needs a board to play on. Regardless of the game mini system, its one of the reasons I hated seeing geo-hex go under.

 YotsubaSnake wrote:
I'm glad I got the 4x8 early bird in. I was scared my computer at work wouldn't allow me to use kickstarter becuse of silly filtering.

>_>

Same...

I wonder if the urban themed tiles will work for Bolt Action?

 BrookM wrote:
And I pledged, early bird and all that. That money was supposed to go to Raging Heroes, but this is too good to pass up on!

this....and they took far to long!

 DaveC wrote:
They've updated the add on costs - shot myself in the foot there! extra 16 tiles gone from $108 to $135 - ah well best to get the correct prices out now I doubt with the tight costs that Secret Weapon could afford to carry any errors in pricing later particularly not a 10% one.

It made me bump to the $225 level. But that is with being able to check it out at adepticon, and having planned on picking up a RoB. I'm in no rush, so this seemed good.

 whalemusic360 wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
They've updated the add on costs - shot myself in the foot there! extra 16 tiles gone from $108 to $135 - ah well best to get the correct prices out now I doubt with the tight costs that Secret Weapon could afford to carry any errors in pricing later particularly not a 10% one.

It made me bump to the $225 level. But that is with being able to check it out at adepticon, and having planned on picking up a RoB. I'm in no rush, so this seemed good.

Should have a massive game on these once we get our tiles Take control of several tables at a flgs in the Canton area

early bird is gone

Tibbsy wrote:
Based on the current exchange rate that I just googled; and with a little bit more maths. If it's $125 for a 4'x4', in GBP that works out at £80. £5 per tile.

For the 4'x8', in GBP that works out at £146. £4.50 per tile.

Obviously this doesn't factor in shipping, but DAMN dude, that is CHEAP!

You must have a different idea about what is 'cheap' and what is not.

It's only $125 for the first 100 (none left), all the other kits are $150. Which including VAT and import fee would make it a lot more expensive then the GW Realms of Battle board per square foot.

Even with the latest update for UK and EU shipping the $150 set (which I assume is the final retail price) is (per square foot) only slightly cheaper then a GW Realms of Battle board (~2.5% cheaper) and slightly more expensive then a Ex-Illis game board (~5.5% more expensive). $250 set is cheaper then a GW Realms of Battle board (~19% cheaper).

Addons are really weirdly priced. $135 for an extra set of tiles, 2 extra sets would be $270 while ordering the 2 set pledge only costs $250...

As others have mentioned there are issues that are not price related:
#1: Tile height makes it not compatible with GW's Realms of Battle, 1/4" (6.35mm) vs 10mm. This is more then a standard base in height difference.
#2: 1'x1' tiles create more 'sector' lines on the table. A 4'x4' table has 9 lines running across the table, with RoB that's only two lines. Lines are often obfuscated with terrain, two lines are doable, 9 lines makes it a rather full board. For games were range guessing is part of the game, it is suddenly a lot easier to guess a range when you have so many reference lines. To be honest I would like to see a painted and flocked table before I can say how 'bad' it is.
#3: Storage/transport, the GW RoB boards come with a nice fitting bag, making storage/transport rather easy.

Of course there are good things about the setup:
A.) Modularity (and eventually range) is better then RoB.
B.) The connecting pieces do seem better and stronger then the RoB set.

As I already have a GW RoB board and enough ideas to populate a couple more. I'm very happy with my RoB boards so see no reason why I would move to another game board system that is incompatible with my existing system. I generally use terrain to customize my gaming experience and the tiles not so much. BUT, I'm interested in the urban and trench boards for a specific table type (Cityfight and Vraks), I'm curious to the design of the tiles. Speaking of tile designs, what of the designs on the first 16 tile set? I've seen only four different tile designs, where's the rest ;-)

Will Mantic continue to distribute the tiles after the KS? If you can get a retail price of €99 for the EU market and local stores will carry them, I can certainly see a market for them in the EU. Games that use a 4'x4' board are certainly popular these days.

Almost at the $40k!

I can only afford a 4x4 at the moment.. but that's more than enough for me for now.. going to be turning that into 4 2x2 demo boards

Hoping the desert boards get unlocked

Cergorach... your conversion of inches to mm is slightly off... 1/4" is equal to 6.35 mm not .635mm...

No 6'x4' option?

No generic field boards until $200k?

I'll pledge if both those things come to pass and there's also options for hill and river tiles. If not, it's not what I want.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Cergorach... your conversion of inches to mm is slightly off... 1/4" is equal to 6.35 mm not .635mm...

Your right, typo. Was going for 0.635 cm, but I didn't want to really confuse the Imperial system users ;-)

 scarletsquig wrote:
No 6'x4' option?

No generic field boards until $200k?

I'll pledge if both those things come to pass and there's also options for hill and river tiles. If not, it's not what I want.

Split a wargamer and skirmisher with someone if the options you like come up.

It's still somewhat silly not to provide what is *probably* the biggest single market segment with an appropriate package deal... I can understand not doing packages of every conceivable size (e.g. no separate 3x3 board for malifaux players etc) but not making a 6'x4' board bundle available is a bit silly. Might make the difference in keeping my pledge or dropping it to me, for example. Not sure, I still might go for it but I don't like paying for stuff I'm not going to be using anyway.

You're still paying $40 less to get two more feet of board.

I'm also wondering how the tiles are coming to close to the same per square foot. I'm seeing $290 USD for 6x4 vs $250 for 8x4. That's a significant discount per square foot ($12.08/ft vs $7.81/ft).

I have a realms of battle board, and fully believe that 1x1 tiles will store much easier, even without a bag.

I think that comparing more lines to more variety and more not being forced to play on a table dominated by hills plays to an advantage for secret weapon. The disadvantage to guessing range doesn't factor in for me. I consider premeasuring far superior as a game mechanic, and miss it greatly when I play games like Malifaux.

A big advantage as a malifaux player is that this easily makes 3x3 tables, which you need to work to do on realms of battle.

So I guess, the kickstarter is only about complete sets of 16 tiles of one theme, no mixing, just adding another set. Correct?

BTW 50% passed in less than 4 hours.

And... I'm back but I'm sure you'll understand that I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up now

The Kickstarter is about 16 tile sets - yes - BUT if you pledge at Wargamer you can choose any TWO unlocked themes.

The mini-themes, Fields and Desert, *MIGHT* be available in 8 tile sets -- I'm working out the logistics now -- but if they unlock they WILL be available as full 16 tile sets, but they won't have 16 unique tile designs.

There is no 4x6' option -- but as has been pointed out, you get more board for less money... and you can split 3 tile sets to make TWO 4x6' tables for less than $200/ea so... that's awesome.

And now back to catch up with comments and messages because... HOLY COW THANK YOU!

 misterjustin wrote:
There is no 4x6' option -- but as has been pointed out, you get more board for less money... and you can split 3 tile sets to make TWO 4x6' tables for less than $200/ea so... that's awesome.

Sorry but though that is all well and good when you know two other guys who want to get in on this KS, if you don't, you're out of luck. I just don't see what the issue is with doing that at a distribution level with the amount of interest there would be in 6x4 boards. Oh well, your product, your party. I'm dropping my pledge for now though - didn't have one of the early ones anyway and the price point isn't quite there for me (since I'd have no use whatsoever for 25% of what I'd be buying...).

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
You're still paying $40 less to get two more feet of board which is extra tiles to switch up your layout.

 CptJake wrote:

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
You're still paying $40 less to get two more feet of board which is extra tiles to switch up your layout.

I generally play on 3x3 tables, and went in at Wargamer for this reason. More Variety is a good thing.


Though I do think with the Generic Field only being 8 tiles, you should just make it a half pack (if possible). It'd be a good addon way for the folks who only want 4x6 to get it.

Fair enough - but the 4x4' option allows us to offer the product to ALL of the tabletop markets, and not specifically the 4x6' option.

And no use for those extra tiles? A lower price than any competing product, and more options is always useful -- because with 32 tiles you can change the layout every single day FOR YEARS and never play the same board twice. That makes a big difference when you're using the same table for most of your games.

I agree it is a bit odd of a decision, given that 40K is a 4' x 6' world, but, given what he's already said and given how well this campaign is already doing... I'm thinking he'll be fine!

Considering gw's offering is 350, this is pretty awsome priceing.

And what's a bit funny for me is that 40k is also split among 4x6' and 4x8' gamers -- although the former is certainly more common. This is why GW offers the expansion on their board.

But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

4' x 8' was the 'standard' size when I started 40K back when 2nd edition launched.

I'm not sure when they transitioned over to 4' x 6'.

Heck the cost per square foot of these terrain boards is less than some carpeting my wife bought....hmmm, naw that's too crazy

I blame the terrorists!

BUT!

COMPROMISE!

Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:

But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

I think you misunderstand their objection. In their eye's it's not that your competing against the realm of battle or ex illis boards. It's that your competing with the option of "no purchase". In that case they see the extra eight tiles of the wargamer pledge level a waste. Can't you just offer an eight random board add-on? It would put the whole thing to rest.

EDIT: Damn beat me to it.

99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

 misterjustin wrote:
Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

You mean like that?

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Perhaps its a 'California thing' but I have always played on a 4X8

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Warhammer and 40k are not 99% of all wargames.

everything I want is halfway up the stretch goal list.

I guess I have to wait and see.

GBL wrote:
everything I want is halfway up the stretch goal list.

I guess I have to wait and see.

numbers are of course messy with first day surge but right now its trending towards about 1.4M

I prefer 4' by 4' myself for 7TV and Bolt Action, I don't have a table, nor a lot of space. I also like being a 1%'er.

 misterjustin wrote:
I blame the terrorists!

BUT!

COMPROMISE!

Following the Kickstarter I will look at making 8 tile sets available of the themed sections -- as "expansion" sets -- that can easily be used to make 4x6' tables! BAM!

Sold!
(Now I just need to get a decent free standing glass cabinet that could fit them!)


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Also! any possible framing options on the horizon?

 Cyporiean wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
99% of all 28mm wargames take place on 4x6, Warmachine being the big exception.

Warhammer and 40k are not 99% of all wargames.

They're definitely the biggest, but, yeah. Also, since when are they 28mm?

Warmachine is 4x4

Malifaux and (I believe) infinity) are 3x3

Skirmish games rarely go above 4x4

I mostly play small to medium games of 40k, and do use 4x4 for that.

I don't always support Kickstarters, but when I do, I go big.



In for Wargamer level x 2. Provided the chances to purchase more sets later, at the prices given, come through closer to the fall when they're expected to ship (and I've replenished my funds), I expect to pick up a fair few more of the forthcoming themes. Really hoping we get to the Urban, trench, generic, and desert themes.

Possible framing options? YES!

On the deck right now? Sadly, no. I'm up to my neck on the first four full themes and two mini-themes.

Plus... some... other stuff. *whistles away*

misterjustin wrote:Possible framing options? YES!
On the deck right now? Sadly, no. I'm up to my neck on the first four full themes and two mini-themes.
Plus... some... other stuff. *whistles away*

In other words:

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
BAM!

 misterjustin wrote:
But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

That's not really it I see your point, but I will **always** prefer the (superior) flexibility of separate terrain pieces over something molded into the table for everything but trenches, rivers and (perhaps) hills etc. so the "variety" beyond moving around 24 tiles (which is a completely bonkers number of possible permutations already) seems to be just the kind of overkill I wouldn't even dream of needing (and given the height of my "pile of grey" that is saying something )
As was already mentioned, I'm not weighing this against RoB. I'd never even consider that monstrosity; it's this or "no buy/DiY". and while it's certainly worth it's price, it's a substantial chunk of money for many of us. I don't mind that per se, but having to buy (at least, that's how it seems to feel to a few of us ) quite a bit more than I "feel" I actually need (or for that matter, want) is really off-putting.

...especially since it would seem to me that it shouldn't be all *that* hard to do what you suggest already (splitting a set between two other sets) at distribution level instead of leaving individual purchasers to worry about that, leaving those of us who don't have buddies interested in the system (and in groups of exactly three, mind you!) to dry.

again, your business, your party. Didn't mean to stir up anything here

Aw, missed the start, that's what I get for sleeping...

@Bolognesus -- but you ARE one of the people that prompted me to add 8 tile "expansion sets" to the near-term goals. It probably won't run with the KS, but if you pledge for 16 tiles you won't have to wait long for your 8 themed tiles (randomly packed from the theme) to build the 4x6' board.

I'm listening -- and I've come up with a workable option

 Bolognesus wrote:
and in groups of exactly three, mind you!

2 People, not groups of three.

1 4x8 + 1 4x4 = 1 4x12 or 2 4x6.

Oh right, scratch that one then
still no luck for those of us with no other potential backers near.

Won't there be 4x6 tables available through the kickstarter once a set of generic tiles is unlocked? So long as they look relatively similar, it covers the table size without worrying about breaking down packages to deliver KS rewards.

BTW: @ Bolo, it's a lot of work to add to a low margin project to have any level of breaking down packages.

Yeah, the "expansion sets" probably won't make it into the KS exactly because they won't be cost effective at this point. With the mini-sets the only plan for those is to offer them as 8 tile sets right now, so anyone selecting "DESERT" as their pledge level would get 2 @ 8 tile sets in place of 1 @ 16.

It comes out of the machines and goes into a box. EASY!

But breaking down the "Scrap Yard," or other full 16 tile themes, means actually breaking it down. A lot of them need to be made and then randomly boxed without duplication. That won't be easy.

BUT! Remember that even on the themed sets it's not all raised detail. That will be more evident on Monday when the updated renders are posted. The designers have had to upgrade computers because trying to get a bunch of 20,000,000 poly count files to render TOGETHER is apparently a lot or something

 misterjustin wrote:
And what's a bit funny for me is that 40k is also split among 4x6' and 4x8' gamers -- although the former is certainly more common. This is why GW offers the expansion on their board.

But if I can't sell someone on the value of getting more layout options at a lower cost, with a comparable quality, matching terrain and bases, and long-term support for more products in the line... I need to be trying harder. And I will

Try harder by adding a 6' x 4' board pledge level.

There has never been a Kickstarter that has had runaway success trying to sell people apples when they want bananas, the successful ones all find a way to give them bananas instead, even if they're really super 100% certain that absolutely *everyone* is going to want apples if only they can be marketed well enough.

Comparing with GW RoB RRP is useless, I can buy it at 30% off from an online webstore. Your board is pretty much the same price factoring that in. So, it's a matter of "what does it do better than RoB?" for comparison purposes.

Lack of skull pits is a good start.

I'm in on the early bird for the 8x4. Hoping we get tot he trench stretch as all my bases are for my current forces are Secret Weapon Trench bases

Look at the 8x4 this way. It's enough for a 6x4 table and a potential display board

 misterjustin wrote:
Yeah, the "expansion sets" probably won't make it into the KS exactly because they won't be cost effective at this point. With the mini-sets the only plan for those is to offer them as 8 tile sets right now, so anyone selecting "DESERT" as their pledge level would get 2 @ 8 tile sets in place of 1 @ 16.

You should really look into making it possible to just get the 8 tiles out of the machine, rather then 8x2. It'll go a good way towards appeasing the 40k players by giving them the extra little bit of table they need, and opens the possibility of getting both the Fields and Desert mini sets with a proper core set.


And what can you say about the Trenches? I'm very likely to get that one along with the Fields, or Trenches + Fields/Desert Combo if possible.

 BrookM wrote:
And I pledged, early bird and all that. That money was supposed to go to Raging Heroes, but this is too good to pass up on!

Yup. I was really excited about doing a 'Tank Girl' themed IG Mechanized army, but Raging Heroes announced an upcoming Kickstarter in January, and still hasn't even shown anyone anything other than concept art. Oh, well, guess those tanks will get painted for my Praetorian IG.

This is the way to roll out a kickstarter. Some previews shortly before launch, and loads of communication with your buyers.

I hope this all goes well for you guys, and not just because I want some scrapyard scenery. Smaller, affordable, useful tiled scenery is badly needed. Not everybody wants to plop down big bucks for a crashed Thunderhawk or a huge freaking hill (or more skull pits). Not only would I love to see you succeed in this endeavor, it might also wake up the 'big guy' and get them to realize that there's no upside to brand-specific scenery, when good, flexible use stuff can sell to all sorts of gamers. I can always add my own skulls.

Can't say I'm too impressed with the first ones. It might be cheap I guess, but if I want a really generic table like that I'd rather just build my own. Maybe if/when the trench tiles come out I'll be interested in it, since that would be awesome for my DKoK.

Da Butcha wrote:
Not only would I love to see you succeed in this endeavor, it might also wake up the 'big guy' and get them to realize that there's no upside to brand-specific scenery, when good, flexible use stuff can sell to all sorts of gamers. I can always add my own skulls.

Nonsense. There's lots of upside to brand-specific scenery. No, a crashed Thunderhawk is not appealing to people who want cheap generic terrain, but it IS appealing if you want the perfect 40k table and are willing to pay for it. Not being in the target market for a product doesn't meant that there's no reason for it to exist.

They just added a 4x6 level for $190 all tiles must be from the same theme so they going to split a box to get extra 8 tiles.

BAM! DaveC beat me to it - and must be hitting F5 even more often than I am - but you can now have your 4x6' table.

The additional 8 tiles MUST be from the same theme though -- it's the only way we can make it work logistically.

And now I'm going to breathe again

4' x 6' is in!

Here comes the surge!