If Games & Gears gets enough support on Facebook, they will be launching a line of modular, injection molded plastic boards that will retail for $100. So, if you're interested, check out their Facebook page for more info!

https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

Cheers!

~Tim?

KICKSTARTER LINK:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/games-and-gears-battle-boards

Didn't they fail to Kickstart this already? Sounds like they are freaking out that the market is about to be drained by a rival product.

Nah, they did a Kickstarter for a line of brushes.

~Tim?

If a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Boards was 100.00USD would you purchase it instantly when the Kickstarter went live? (48" inches by 72" inches). 200 "hell yes." Needed to make that happen, you decide .

Interesting. They're currently at 197 "hell yes". I doubt that all 200 would actually pledge on the spot, though. It's essentially a facebook-like that hardly commits people to pledging.

They had a successful campaign for brushes:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/games-and-gears-pro-studio-brushes
But before that they had a bigger project with the boards that didn't get too far:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/gaming-boards-great-quality-great-price-and-great?ref=users

 Azazelx wrote:

If a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Boards was 100.00USD would you purchase it instantly when the Kickstarter went live? (48" inches by 72" inches). 200 "hell yes." Needed to make that happen, you decide .

Interesting. They're currently at 197 "hell yes". I doubt that all 200 would actually pledge on the spot, though. It's essentially a facebook-like that hardly commits people to pledging.

AFAIK, this is not to start a Kickstarter.

~Tim?

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Nah, they did a Kickstarter for a line of brushes.

~Tim?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/gaming-boards-great-quality-great-price-and-great?ref=users

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

If a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Boards was 100.00USD would you purchase it instantly when the Kickstarter went live? (48" inches by 72" inches). 200 "hell yes." Needed to make that happen, you decide .

Interesting. They're currently at 197 "hell yes". I doubt that all 200 would actually pledge on the spot, though. It's essentially a facebook-like that hardly commits people to pledging.

AFAIK, this is not to start a Kickstarter.

~Tim?

I suspect that you may be incorrect, sir.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

If a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Boards was 100.00USD would you purchase it instantly when the Kickstarter went live? (48" inches by 72" inches). 200 "hell yes." Needed to make that happen, you decide .

Interesting. They're currently at 197 "hell yes". I doubt that all 200 would actually pledge on the spot, though. It's essentially a facebook-like that hardly commits people to pledging.

AFAIK, this is not to start a Kickstarter.

~Tim?

I suspect that you may be incorrect, sir.

Ah, my bad, I didn't see that. Thanks for pointing that out!

~Tim?

Can someone run down the Games & Gears corporate history for me?

No problem. No harm in them trying again with a bit more publicity.

Those boards don't have any substantially raised detail that would really justify casting in plastic. For what they are offering, you should just buy a Zuzzy mat right now for $70 shipped.

If they're going to do plastic, they have to bring something unique to the table. Secret Weapon's proposed product does, this one does not seem to.

Yes, this is their second try but no harm in that (and they did do a brush kickstarter in the interim... I'd like to see that fulfilled before this launches).

Previous thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/490052.page

Direct link to previous kickstarter:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/554355176/gaming-boards-great-quality-great-price-and-great

At the end of that they mentioned the possibility of their going forward with it anyway- I didn't realize they'd be trying kickstarter again, though.


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 Ouze wrote:
If they're going to do plastic, they have to bring something unique to the table. Secret Weapon's proposed product does, this one does not seem to.

What does Secret Weapon's bring that this doesn't, out of curiosity? I only just became aware of that one, although I realize it's already up on kickstarter (and doing really well so far).

Secret Weapon seem to be promising significant grading changes between tiles, multpile tiles within each theme and tile themed scenery and bases.

IMO Secret Weapon's actually makes good use of the fact they are cast in plastic by having raised surfaces in excess of, say, 1/8th of an inch. Tires, short walls, pits & depressions, etc etc. They're making use of the fact they have tooling instead of a simple mold,. and producing a truly 3D surface.

The G&G boards seem to be using very shallow repeating textures such as flagstones and cracked earth. I'm going to call these 2.5D - they have some elevation, but it's only somewhat better the raised texture that GWS did via embossing on the re-released cardboard Space Hulk files.

I'm not even sure why something like what I've seen so far needs to be modular - no matter how you arrange the tiles, the tabletop is still going to look more or less the same.

Perhaps they have something better in the works I haven't yet seen. But from what I have seen so far, I suspect their Kickstarter will again fail because it's simply not innovative enough. If you want raised detail, you have a ROBB or Secret Weapon. If you want flat detail, you can get a roll up mat. If you want somewhat raised detail, you have Zuzzy. These guys just aren't bringing anything new or innovative to the table, and that's a real shame because modular plastic tiles are a space that allows for a lot of really awesome things to happen.

The gaming trays from their first kickstarter area cool idea.

Who is selling roll-up mats these days? I've got a Geohex one that is excellent, but it appears that Geo-Hex no longer exist. They would have been my first choice, too!

Hotz Mats website hasn't updated since 2011 apparently, and I know they have a reputation of being less than timely. I picked up a GW green one just now.. what else is there? The Zuzzy ones have been hit very hard by the new USPS rates for those of us outside the US.

derp. can't spell today.

I liked the idea of the grid sheets over the fairly flat boards, and their generic textured boards. But it really felt like they rushed to fast trying to get a kickstarter ready.

Like they had no clear plans for stretch goals and future board ideas, until people started asking. Then they were scrambling to put something together dureing the kickstarter. The stretch goals were also realy underwhelming. Their was in theory a point in the kickstarter were one could end up with more free Dice Trays then they had sides on their tables to attach them to.

The free dice trays were also useless if you went for a RPG table that already have dice trays on all of it's sides....

As for add-ons? "MORE DICE TRAYS!!!11!11!11ONE!!!11!!!" untill they stumbled onto the grid sheet idea anyway.

=/

It was issues like above that killed that Kickstarter dead in the water sadly. They just couldn't get any momentum going, or incentives to get people to increase their pledges any higher as the kick-starter went on.

Basic difference is G&G makes one simple featureless tile that can be repeatedly used.
Secret Weapons makes 16 individual, professionally sculpted tiles per set.
So G&G will have a difficult time again with their 2nd try.

Games and Gears will have price and 2x2 tile sizes in their favour.

If they can make a basic, nicely sculpted generic fields board, and expand it with hill tiles and river tiles that look nice and have sculpted, rocky detail, that will be awesome and something that Secret Weapon will not be offering.

Competition is a good thing, and I hope it works out.

Right now there isn't anything better than RoB, despite the skullz.

The presentation was a major issue with their last kickstarter, all the presentation images looked a bit crap and there was no good photography of any of the products.

I mentioned this and got the usual "we paint our products like crap to show what real, normal gamers can achieve!" line.

There's little room for having a kickstarter that doesn't take presentation at least semi-seriously, which is one reason why the SW weapon will fund with ease whereas the G&G board did not, it is very well-presented.

I almost backed their board project when it first came out. Glad I waited in the end! I got really put off by their overly enthusiastic presentation. Normally this would be a good thing but they just took it to a completely unnecessary level, it felt like I was a little puppy getting petted for being such a good boy and backing their project. No thanks!

That being said, it looked like they had a good produt and hopefully they learnt from their mistakes this time.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Games and Gears will have price and 2x2 tile sizes in their favour.

Unless they've changed their designs significantly, their boards are also 1'x1'. Their designs were also incompatible with GW RoB, 20mm vs 10mm high.

 scarletsquig wrote:

The presentation was a major issue with their last kickstarter, all the presentation images looked a bit crap and there was no good photography of any of the products.

While I agree that it wasn't a great presentation. The 'problems' were also to be found in different corners. $150+ for the 4'x6' board and the designs were not that inspired.

What these guys seem to forget is that there are two audience groups that are interested in these kinds of boards. Folks that do not have the GW RoB (too expensive, hate GW, to many skulls, etc.) and the folks that already have the RoB boards and are looking for tiles to expand their collection. The advantage of targeting the GW crowd is that they have less issues with price. If the tiles are incompatible with their already owned RoB boards, chances are they are not going to buy them...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Right now there isn't anything better than RoB, despite the skullz.

Tastes differ. I wouldn't buy the ROB for half the official price, Extremely unmodular with the big hill and lack of even parts, hill slopes too slippery.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Extremely unmodular with the big hill and lack of even parts, hill slopes too slippery.

Seconded here. That hill slope- ugh! Models always slide down it...

Yeah, not a fan of the RoB board. good idea, poopy execution me. And I prefer 1x1 to 2x2 due to space conservation.

 Azazelx wrote:
Who is selling roll-up mats these days? I've got a Geohex one that is excellent, but it appears that Geo-Hex no longer exist. They would have been my first choice, too!

Hotz Mats website hasn't updated since 2011 apparently, and I know they have a reputation of being less than timely. I picked up a GW green one just now.. what else is there? The Zuzzy ones have been hit very hard by the new USPS rates for those of us outside the US.

derp. can't spell today.

GF9 just introduced a pair of space themed ones that just happen to be the 3'x3' size needed for the x-wing minis game.

Secret Weapons problem is that there Kickstarter has a very real chance of collapsing, they have currently shown one tile of one set which is what will be produced if the Kickstarter makes the minimum amount.

However going by comments in the Dakka thread and the kickstarter itself, over half of the pledges are from people who want boards that will only be made if the very high stretch goals are met.

If it becomes obvious not all of these are going to be met there going to start bleeding pledges pretty fast as people who are not interested in the ork board drop out.

Basically there entire kickstarter is set up in a very risky way, if games and gears can come in with urban boards that are half the price and still nice they should be fine.

$80K in two days?

I don't think SW is in much danger at all at this point.

Maybe if the Urban and or Trench boards that are eventually unlocked turn out to be pants - but I doubt that will happen too.

We'll see!

I wish Games and Gears best of luck though - and it will be interesting to see if they can overcome the stigma of a failed Kickstarter!

Americans call stuff pants? I though that was just something us Brits said...

And yeah, Secret Weapon is in no danger just yet!

We don't use it at all, but I picked it up from the British users here on Dakka Dakka - I admit that I love that use of the word!

 Alpharius wrote:
We don't use it at all, but I picked it up from the British users here on Dakka Dakka - I admit that I love that use of the word!

Thought as much! I get very odd looks when I say it here in Canada...

 warboss wrote:


GF9 just introduced a pair of space themed ones that just happen to be the 3'x3' size needed for the x-wing minis game.

Yep, I've seen those and they are on my X-Wing shopping list. Wondering about other 6x4 ones that might be available out there. Thanks for mentioning them though.

Commander Cain wrote:Americans call stuff pants? I though that was just something us Brits said...

And yeah, Secret Weapon is in no danger just yet!

Alpharius wrote:We don't use it at all, but I picked it up from the British users here on Dakka Dakka - I admit that I love that use of the word!

I've picked up quite a few Britishisms myself from Dakka.

The G&G brushes has already been mostly fulfilled, so no issues on that side.

The benefit of having this sort of generic board is that you can use existing terrain with them without any issues. Take for example the current Dwarven Forge gear, all those corridors and walls etc. You could easily grab one of G&G's standard table sized boards in cobble or similar, and use it as a base for your gaming.

Say you already have some basic hills or trees, you can use them with the G&G's stuff.

On top of that, they will be producing their own parts eventually. Their first KS was really just for the boards and they said all along that it was to launch a complete line of product. They didn't want to over commit and make the project too huge by including all the various hills, half'n'half boards etc right at the start.

The idea was to invest into a system that would be expanded on over the coming year.

It didn't pan out first time around mostly because they had too confusing pledge structure, little to no stretch goal incentives etc. The product itself was great. I really think a second go with a better campaign could even capitalize on the Dwarven Forge success if they market it correctly.

yeah,
I'm interested in both products.

SW boards look very detailed and G&G look more basic.
I think G&G boards are more ideal for converting your own tiles.

G&G's flat boards with engraved detail allows easier positioning of terrain.
SW's bumpy details will cause a few issues with placing minis and the bumps will get in the way of placing flat bottomed terrain.

Panic...

 Surloch wrote:
The G&G brushes has already been mostly fulfilled, so no issues on that side. ...
It didn't pan out first time around mostly because they had too confusing pledge structure, little to no stretch goal incentives etc. The product itself was great. I really think a second go with a better campaign could even capitalize on the Dwarven Forge success if they market it correctly.

I agree... I really like how the brush kickstarter was structured. It was very clear, and they used the system to make sure that they couldn't over-promise on what they could deliver. I think we'll see a lot more that are tightly structured like that one.

2*2 generic. I am in for that.

SW unlocks a generic tile @ $200k. I am therefore no supporting that KS. I think that is a big error on their part - seriously, how much effort does it take to produce a flat generic tile I can use how I want to and with whatever histotical period I want.

You have a point, but given how well their Kickstarter is doing, compared to the lack of enthusiasm over G&G's first time around, and it is hard to see SW's current structure as having many errors.

They probably felt that they needed to offer up something that represented a competitive advantage, especially if they felt that G&G would be coming back with a KS 'soon'.

Kroothawk wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Right now there isn't anything better than RoB, despite the skullz.

Tastes differ. I wouldn't buy the ROB for half the official price, Extremely unmodular with the big hill and lack of even parts, hill slopes too slippery.

RiTides wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Extremely unmodular with the big hill and lack of even parts, hill slopes too slippery.

Seconded here. That hill slope- ugh! Models always slide down it...

Oh thank goodness. When I mentioned that to someone in a store they looked at me like I had a third eye and said "We have never had that problem."

I'm going to try gluing sand to the damn hills, but I don't expect it to help much.

 Azazelx wrote:

 warboss wrote:


GF9 just introduced a pair of space themed ones that just happen to be the 3'x3' size needed for the x-wing minis game.

Yep, I've seen those and they are on my X-Wing shopping list. Wondering about other 6x4 ones that might be available out there. Thanks for mentioning them though.

No worries. I have no idea about the shipping to Oz but bannersonthecheap (http://www.bannersonthecheap.com) has some pretty good deals and the quality is decent according to a youtube video linked in the thread below. You can't select 6x4 as a standard starting size but it is available after you upload your background starmap pic as an option ($28 USD for a 6x4 star map when I priced it out). I ended up getting my map as a gift from a different source but they were going to get my money prior to that.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/469653.page

As for the games/gears stuff, I'm not really a fan of 1" tiles... While I see why people would like them, that's 4x as many joints that can break compared with 2x2. That horridly conceited game company that made Ex Illis did make a nice and cheap board when they weren't actively lying and trolling the gaming public though. It wasn't 4x6 but it was $100 iirc and it came with a bunch of figs.

 streamdragon wrote:
[I'm going to try gluing sand to the damn hills, but I don't expect it to help much.

Sand helps, but isn't perfect. Add a bit of static grass to the board and the issue is solved.

Just to clarify a few points. Sorry we have been super busy on our end.

- We have reached 200 "Hell Yes" (Currently 400) which means our 6 by 4 is now 100USD & 4 by 4 60.00USD

-Our battle boards are now 2 by 2

-Height same as the ROB.

-The new boards will have 16 unique textures across a 4 by 4 and can expand. That sync together

-We are doing a Sci Fi Urban War battle boards which is scaled for 28mm with Hawk Wargames (City Scape Battle Boards). But can also be used to 10mm (28mm terrian is not true scale). You can fit a Predator tank on the road with road space on either side

-We are doing a Hellscape Battle Board with Cipher Studios (Helldorado & Anima Tactics). Daemon Worlds, Chaos wastes...

-We have another press release to make soon.

We really do not want to detract from the current KS discussion here. But if you are interested and want to ask some questions, check our some prelim pictures please go to https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

we also have a poll so please join in

Just to re-state: 16 unique textures in sync per battle board (4 by 4 or 6 by6). All Games & Gears battle boards are 2 by 2. (Hope that clarifies it all)

~G&G Crew

Thanks for the clarifications will check out your link. Great to see you have made a lot of improvements. Excited

so... I can get a 4'x4' Mordheim cobblestone board for $60? Hell Yes!

Huh.....not sure if I should hold off now from the secret weapon board. It's the desert one I want any way from them and who knows if they'll get to it.

Interest re-piqued.
Looking forward to seeing what they come up with this time around.

@GamesNGears: Okay, the news of a Hell Dorado board is freaking exciting to me. How will the size of the boards reconcile with the fact that the HD boards are supposed to be 30 inches by 30 inches?

A 4x4 board is $60 whereas a 6x4 board is $100?

Are those prices correct?

If each piece is 2x2, the 4x4 set comes with 4 boards for $15 each. The 6x4 set comes with 6 boards for $17 each.

Why would I ever get the 6x4?

Wouldn't you just get two 4x4's? More options, and a better deal?

Absolutionis wrote:A 4x4 board is $60 whereas a 6x4 board is $100?

Are those prices correct?

If each piece is 2x2, the 4x4 set comes with 4 boards for $15 each. The 6x4 set comes with 6 boards for $17 each.

Why would I ever get the 6x4?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wouldn't you just get two 4x4's? More options, and a better deal?

You fools! Now they'll change the price and I cant get my 4x8 board set for $120!

For those that are social media blocked, what are the prices on these planning to be?

 Makaleth wrote:
For those that are social media blocked, what are the prices on these planning to be?

Facebook link is for images, not prices.

GamesNGears wrote:
our 6 by 4 is now 100USD & 4 by 4 60.00USD

~G&G Crew

The prices are correct. There is a a slight jump in shipping price when shipping a 6 by 4 compared to a 4 by 4. If you want to get x 2 4 by 4s awesome.

regarding Helldorado, we have already sorted that . We hope to give you an awesome surprise. What we can say is that we will be bringing your the depths of hell via the Hellscape battle boards.
Another Press Release to be announced in the next few days.

Although social media sites may be blocked at work. We would kindly ask to go to our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears when you can have access to it. We have a poll, and posts with updates and prelim pictures. As we really do not want to detract from the current KS discussion here.
Thank you for your interest though!!

From their Facebook:

To Clarify all the points in our Games & Gears Battle Board Poll: Games & Gears Battle Boards 6 by 4 100.00USD, 4 by 4 60.00USD. Free Shipping to: USA, Canada, EU, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia & New Zealand. Kickstarter Launch: June/July. Dispatching your battle boards to you: August/September! (we are well known for our quick dispatch and great quality. 16 unique textures per battle board which sync together. Here is a taster of our detail and quality of our injection molded plastic battle boards:

With shipping included, I could see getting a few of these, depending on tile texture and so forth.

^ That board would be amazing for Mordheim.

And 4x4 board for $60? Hell yes.

At that kind of price it's a casual purchase, and not some massive investment.

This is definitely more my kinda thing than the secret weapon boards.

Definitely needs better presentation the second time around though, I really think that's what killed it the first time, if it doesn't look professional people won't back, no matter how good the product is.

GamesNGears wrote:

regarding Helldorado, we have already sorted that . We hope to give you an awesome surprise. What we can say is that we will be bringing your the depths of hell via the Hellscape battle boards.
Another Press Release to be announced in the next few days.

Well, I think I can safely say that I'm in (tentatively). If Cipher is working with you on it, I'm sure the whole thing will be perfectly suited.

Will you also be offering terrain to go with the boards, as add-ons, etc?

Am I being blind or is there no confirmations of a simple generic sand/ grass type board for those of us that place historicals + sci-fi.

If there is, I will purchase a 4x8 in a heart beat.

I would really like to see an addon to make display boards. Some sort of lipped edge that snaps on... may be an excellent addon for kickstarter.

Once again, I was really impressed by your brush kickstarter... keep it up!

Looks nice!

At those prices, if they launch soon, they will be a serious competitor with Secret Weapon's offerings.

Especially with the apparent 'compatibility' with GW/FW's boards?

Their Facebook is saying June/July launch. So SW will be completely wrapped up which could hurt the GG effort. The smart product crossovers will help though I'm sure.

 Surloch wrote:
The G&G brushes has already been mostly fulfilled, so no issues on that side.

The benefit of having this sort of generic board is that you can use existing terrain with them without any issues. Take for example the current Dwarven Forge gear, all those corridors and walls etc. You could easily grab one of G&G's standard table sized boards in cobble or similar, and use it as a base for your gaming.

Say you already have some basic hills or trees, you can use them with the G&G's stuff.

On top of that, they will be producing their own parts eventually. Their first KS was really just for the boards and they said all along that it was to launch a complete line of product. They didn't want to over commit and make the project too huge by including all the various hills, half'n'half boards etc right at the start.

The idea was to invest into a system that would be expanded on over the coming year.

It didn't pan out first time around mostly because they had too confusing pledge structure, little to no stretch goal incentives etc. The product itself was great. I really think a second go with a better campaign could even capitalize on the Dwarven Forge success if they market it correctly.

The simpler textures to be usable with existing terrian is the reason I loved the games and gears boards so much the 1st time around, and would choose them over the secret weapon. Sept for something like a trench board or something.

28mm/10mm streets? How can you say that a 10mm street is useable for 28mm? The road may be wide enough to put a Predator on but the sidewalks and other details are going to look so out of scale.

 Mick A wrote:
28mm/10mm streets? How can you say that a 10mm street is useable for 28mm? The road may be wide enough to put a Predator on but the sidewalks and other details are going to look so out of scale.

I'm assuming that they are going in the other direction. A four lane 10-15mm road should be about right for a 28mm two lane road. A Predator should be taking up more than one civilian lane.
Curb height is fudgeable between those two scales.
Paving stone/sidewalk slab size would potentially be a weird one.

Regarding The city scape battle boards. 28mm terrain is not true scale and is a little skewed. For instance buildings for 28mm in the market if they where true scale would be massive. So terrain in the market from all suppliers is massively abstract.

City Scape is actually Purposely built for 28mm Sci- Fi Urban Gaming. It also gets away being fantastic for 10mm... like you can have 6 10mm tanks in a row and still some road space... you will not and cannot do that with 28mm based roads. So for 28mm game like infinity or 40k, it is like fighting in a city!!

"A four lane 10-15mm road should be about right for a 28mm two lane road" Correct!

We have played 40k and inifinity on it and it look super impressive, thanks to the industries non true scale abstract terrian in the current market.




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We will Launch in June/July. Once all battle boards are ready and have been quality tested , approved and played on. We are working hard with our partners to bring you their gaming worlds to life and we should make several more announcements in the days and weeks to make . For questions and to join our poll please kindly go to https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears.

Cheers



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 fullheadofhair wrote:
Am I being blind or is there no confirmations of a simple generic sand/ grass type board for those of us that place historicals + sci-fi.

If there is, I will purchase a 4x8 in a heart beat.

Confirmed

yeah,
I was impressed by G&Gs attention to what the community was saying first time round and was disappointed that it didn't work out.
I'm definently onboard for round two.

G&G 2'x2' boards compatability with GW (and Secret Weapon) will make the new boards even better and not isolate them from customers that already have boards.

Panic...

I dropped my pledge to Secret Weapon to support this! I wish I did not have to wait for another Kickstarter.

Terrain bits to add to the board will be done by our partners and added to the optional loadout for you add to your battle boards. If we where to do them. There also some awesome terrain makers out their like Dwarven forge and a lot more. Our own terrain piece line will be with partners. In an attempt to minimize distraction from the current KS, join us on facebook to discuss and join our poll https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears.

Where is the stuff going to be shipped from?

I was under the impression G&G were UK based, but I'm thrown by the dollar pricing for this one.

If it's coming from the UK I'm definitely in, but if it's coming from abroad then the customs hassle might make the kickstarting less worthwhile. But I can see everyone wanting it shipped from locally

Will the grid overlay still be a thing? I liked the idea alot my self. But i understand if you drop it in favor of other ideas like more raised detail.

Will be shipped from the UK. Possibility for the USA to have a hub by then for us to ship direct but not confirmed yet.

We will be doing engraved hex grids textured battle boards if we get to 600 "Hell Yes" (105 to go to get there!). For Pathfinder, D&D Battle Tech and other games.

Aw. I was hopeing for squars. Oh well still exicited for the regular boards.

We cannot confirm that yet. If we where to do that it would be for a specific IP.

Well now! Isn't that interesting.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ That board would be amazing for Mordheim.
And 4x4 board for $60? Hell yes.
At that kind of price it's a casual purchase, and not some massive investment.

I'm thinking on similar lines. That price and some of those textures would score them multiple purchases for me. Some nice stone-dungeon-tile would work wonders for Moria and Mordheim.



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 fullheadofhair wrote:
Am I being blind or is there no confirmations of a simple generic sand/ grass type board for those of us that place historicals + sci-fi.
If there is, I will purchase a 4x8 in a heart beat.

Without being a smartarse, I'd have thought that featureless desert and flat (especially green) grass are basically the least-likely to sell well. Simply because it's easy enough to get a table mat for those themes. I'm assuming that's why the SWM KS has the "scrapyard" theme to make what would otherwise be featureless desert a bit more interesting...

Sorry, we have been super busy here.

Some of us still play the Lustria Mordheim campaign in our offices :p. We have mentioned a jungle board with jungle texture. Of course the damned streets of mordhiem are represented well we think through our urban cobblestone battle board. Right now we are working with more partners to bring their worlds to life and as soon as we are allowed we will make mention of it on our Facebook page and news sites as well!


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Also we do think there is a high demand for generic field battle boards. The trick for us is the make it dynamic enough with textures to appeal to the vast majority whilst maintaining that 'generic' feel. But we think we nailed this as we also have some great partners which add to the creative pool.

A few is of us at my club are getting Helldorado factions because of the upcoming boards for G&G. LoL, supposed to be the other way around. Cannot wait for this! 'bout time we had some decent boards. We got shed loads of terrain for it, bring hell on G&G!

What about sci fi city board (proper sci fi not grimdark ruins)? yes, it will need some elevation, for pavements/ road, but almost nobody supplies that niche.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
What about sci fi city board (proper sci fi not grimdark ruins)? yes, it will need some elevation, for pavements/ road, but almost nobody supplies that niche.

You mean this? Games & Gears.: Dropzone Commander Cityscape battle board?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561430_186262464855576_368847737_n.jpg

Final version will be as you have stated. Texture is easy to do for us now. We cannot wait till it is done. More stuff on our Facebook page.

That for Infinity would be awesome!

This battle board is for 28mm/10mm war games. Check our previous comments on this thread and others for more details.


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 Alpharius wrote:
That for Infinity would be awesome!

We had a game of infinity on it.... It was very cinematic!

That would be good enough, will there be elevation change between pavement/ road?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
That would be good enough, will there be elevation change between pavement/ road?

100% Yes

Sounds perfect.

New Press Release on our Face book page:

Press Release:

Games & Gears & Ninja Division announce Anime Wars Battle Boards.

https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

Ninja Division are the crew behind the Robotech Kickstarter.

Can someone repost for the work blocked?

Press Release:

Games & Gears & Ninja Division announce Anime Wars Battle Boards.

LONDON, United Kingdom, April 15, 2013 - Games & Gears has announced a custom version of their battle boards which will be bringing Anime Wars table top war gaming battle boards with Ninja Division.

Anime Wars Battle Boards are high quality battle boards that can be used to play any miniature war game on, and will also be compatible with many fantasy and science fiction 28mm/32mm tabletop battle games. More will be announced in the coming weeks and months.

Games & Gears LLP is a producer of innovative high end designs & products for a range of niche and FMCG markets. Products include Games & Gears Gaming Boards, the Pro Studio Line & many other licensed products.
Contact Games & Gears at GamesNGears@aol.com.

Ninja Division combines the skills and experiences of hobby and game industry veterans to bring you the highest quality games experiences. Just who is Ninja Division? We are legion, we are everywhere, and we will always be right behind you.

Yeah,
Photos or it didn't happen!?

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Photos or it didn't happen!?

Panic...

You beat me to it!

A press release with no photos = sadface.

We would love to post pics ups. As soon as we are able to we will. However think for the purpose of examples only: Soda Pop, Cipher Studios, Ninja Division and Games & Gears. If you like the imagery from the games companies and their artwork. You are going to love these battle boards. We think it is an awesome combo.

As soon as we are able to we will post pictures.

Anima Tactics and Relic Knights both have wonderful anime aesthetics and would look incredible on the right boards! Also, after seeing your urban DZC boards, I want to get them to play the new Robotech game on!

We cannot wait to show you more designs in the coming weeks. It has been many months in the works and see them come to life is amazing and we hope to share these beautifully textured boards with you soon!

Quite eager to see what you have done.

Same here - and it would make a LOT of sense to do so sometime within the next 18 days or earlier...

Seconded. A modular urban gaming board sounds great, but I need to decide if I should wait for this one, or go in on that other kickstarter one. The other one is about 2.5 times more expensive, but that does result in extra tiles and modularity. So without knowing anything about this one, the decision isn't so simple. But that other one doesn't seem to be given any additional value for backing vs. waiting to buy, so maybe I should wait anyway.

Here is what it would look like as getting the detail or texture is easy for us to do. You can fit 4-6 tanks on the road (10mm) or 1 40k sized tank with road space to give on either side.



intricate detailed texture based on our past work:





We would love to post something asap. But making sure it is perfect and exactly how our partners and us want with also feedback from the community as we will be showcasing for people to see, feel and play on. This does take some time though, although we very much understand showing it soon is very beneficial and we really want to. We will publish pictures and more once we have the green light. We are already wowed of what we have done with our partners too but getting the presentation right is equally important too. So we sincerely thank you for your patience on this matter.

The Hellscape board and the Anime Battles board are going to seriously tempt me, what with me being involved in the Robotech KS and a rather enthusiastic Hell Dorado player. I can't wait to see them completed!

I've been making modular boards for 40k for years now and am never satisfied with doing it on plywood. Its just too heavy. Plus they are always deteriorating in some way or another. Sand comes unglued and little specks of foam I use for contour always peek out hear and there. Im so tired of maintaining them and could really go for some hard plastic 2X2. I could just never bring myself to fork over the 250+ USD for a RoB.

Im infatuated with the FW city fight RoB tiles but no way am i willing to pay what they are asking. I would love to see somekind of cheaper alternative to them. I noticed the GamesNGears urban board but Im skeptical that it will be compatible with my grimdark terrain pieces.

Anyway, Im in on some 2x2 plastic and I really hope this gets off the ground.

Our 6 by 4 will be 100USD. Reason why we can do this is we have been able to purchase the raw material in large bulks due to our success in China with our Felt surface gaming boards.

Our Games & Gears gaming tray are unique as you can place your gamer aid and also roll dice on our Games & Gears gaming felt dice trays too. Keep the board clean with your armies and the war torn cinematic feel our battle boards bring. It was very important for us that the design was built around the table top war games. So you do not need to put dice under models to balance them or you do have to have dice flying all round the table.

It also makes the game more cinematic without the gamer aides on the gaming table.

Regarding Helldorado. We are super psyched. Bringing the depths on Hell to the battle boards is really a dream come true to us gamers. As now we can have demon worlds (which crosses over so many war games), we are also big fans of Diablo 3. We want the Hellscape board to be a piece of battle board art and the same time when you see it, you would think "Welcome to Hell" .

Anime Boards is another soft spot for us. Huge anime fans here with Ninja Division (the crew behind Robotech). John also being a co-owner of Soda Pop. The anime wars battle boards are endless in great concepts and design.

There is a lot more to be announced too!

Here is a sample of our Games & Gears Gaming Tray:

Glad to hear it, by the way ETA for your site?

We have had a look at the final draft and have asked our developers to make some more amendments. It's been a while in the works. Hoping next week or worst case scenario mid/late May.

Understandable.

ok G&G I WANT your Sci Fi City board!! Just backed Deadzone and your boards are the best match for this game. My wallet is bursting!!!

If the boards are also generic enough in scale to work with the Robotech game, that would be great.

I made an account just to post this

Hoping someone from Games & Gears is monitoring this thread, here's some questions I have been thinking about:

Will you still be offering pre-painted boards? If so, at (roughly) what price?
Will the kickstarter have a lower target that the last? Or will it be the same?
Do you still use the same clips for sticking them together as before?

I'm really looking forward to this one kickstarter. For some reason the Secret weapons one doesn't appeal to me...

I would like to ask will your boards be compat with SW tiles?

I'd guess 'probably not'!

I think they mentioned that they wold be the same height as the RoB FW/GW boards though?

 EchoJ7 wrote:
I would like to ask will your boards be compat with SW tiles?

I believe they're being made to be compatible with GW tiles, which are slightly taller than SW tiles.

They are compatible with exactly what Alpharius has stated

And when will the KS start?

Aiming for June 2013. But penciled in for June/July. We have some amazing industry artists working on the textures and will reveal more when we can with our Partners.

Great, I am very excited already!

Good to hear.

As a co-owner of a gaming group based in PA, I know us getting our hands on at least 3-5 sets of the 4x4 seems like a must.

I love the idea of texture without hindering terrain placement and model standing.

Just awesome, looking forward to the cobblestone(Mordheim), Cracked Earth and Urban(40k).

The g&g board is very similar to the ex illis boards

Hopefully something soon for you all in the coming days and weeks. We don't rush things but we hope to show you something soon as soon as we can!

looking forward to this. On my list of must back!


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can I hand over my money to you now?

I've wanted my own modular table for Warmachine for a while, but have been rather lazy. At $60 for a 4x4 that would roughly equal what my own monetary+time commitment would be. Can't wait to see all the options available when the Kickstarter launches.

A Neo Tokyo board would be freggn' sweet. I could play GITS on the tabletop how cool would that be.

 Newabortion wrote:
A Neo Tokyo board would be freggn' sweet. I could play GITS on the tabletop how cool would that be.

We are working with some awesome artists in the industry. We hope to share with you some awesome surprises soon!

I love good surprises, colour me interested.

Yes sir, exciting week ahead, will keep all posted and will start to share more after the end of this week coming.

I think this maybe part of the surprise . Got this on my fb app notifications from their poll:

We are proud to announce The "Games & Gears D&L themed bases". As with our tech we can do intricate detailed battle boards. We will use the same tech to create themed textured bases for all your armies which will be compatible with your Battle Boards. These highly detailed bases will be better value to what is already out there in other materials whilst still retaining the quality and detail. We will also work with Partners to bring their worlds to life for their miniatures via our Games & Gears D&L themed bases. (D&L= Games & Gears Detailed & Legacy themed bases). We aim to be the one stop shop and to insure your get an army of bases at a killer value price. Tell the world things just got better. Designs and pictures to follow in the weeks to come!

Now show us the designs already!

Lots and lots of talk - no pics.

aka - it didn't happen.

When/If these guys relaunch their Kickstarter I'll be sure to announce on my Facebook page that I'm planning to launch a kickstarter for 6x4 plastic injection molded modular boards for only $50 if I get 300 "Super Duper OMGWTFBBQ likes"

Pics coming in 3 months - in the meantime everyone keep talking about it as if it's news.

First themed based design will be exactly like this but on bases:




Second Detailed & legacy Themed base:



The same design and concept will be on bases that are compatible for a whole load of miniature games (it is very normal these days to show design concepts like the above). This concept was announced back in December 2012. So we have been working on it. It just that we are committed to it now and it will happen. We don't want to detract from other KS out there (which is why we have held back a little). But next week we will show more.

Also bear in mind we are working with partners too: Hawk Wargames, Ninja Division & Cipherstudios for now. So we are also incumbent to release pics and designs when our partners are ready too. Also kindly bear in mind many gaming companies make announcements on certain new miniature concepts, rules edition, armies way in advance (some time 6 months to a year) without showing anything. We have shown some designs and will show more soon.

We currently have 8 designs already. We are going through them and when we make them (final prototype, the finished edition) and put models on them as well we will show you. But the above two pics in terms of intricate details is just reference on our capabilities.




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Also forget to add (instead of editing). All Games & Gears D&L Themed bases will reflect our own battle boards as well.

At work (and cheered up!) asthis just hit my Iphone Facebook app, from their Facebook page for those who have facebook blocked at work here they are.... I want one, no I want a lot of these! Drooling here. They have descriptions for each pic on their facebook page Can't wait!

Dropzone Commander board. My Dark Eldar & Yu Jin are going to have a lot of fun. So far 4 2 by 2 designs and they 8 examples of what a 4 by 4 would look like


4by4


2by2


2by2


2by2


2by2


4by4


4by4


4by4


4by4


4by4

I wonder what the equivalent GnG tables might look like at the 28mm scale, versus 10mm.

Yes thanks Darkeldarcrone,

We are hoping to have the actual battle board ready in a few weeks. More designs to be published soon!

We are very excited to be working with out partners and industry artists. Few more announcements to come. The outlook looks good .

Best,
G&G Crew

new updates from G&G.

Just take my wallet....













More can be found at their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears ... forgot to add, blown away

Not bad, but I would love it if the streets were a bit lower.

So are they selling the roads you put on top of the map or the map as well? Or are those the cityscape DZC tiles along with the buildings?

As far as I have gathered by reading the posts. The boards come as they look in the picture as they are base painted. What they said is the idea behind it is that it is ready to play on but for those of us like me who would want to add more paint, flock or whatever you can. The roads are part of the board from my understanding. So yeah those are the plastic boards, I'm so psyched for this!!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Not bad, but I would love it if the streets were a bit lower.

Yeah, I agree with this. Making the roads deeper would add that needed final touch of realism.

~Tim?

Hawk Wargames will be down at the Charring Cross Gaming Club in London to show off the Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle Board this coming Tuesday.

If you are in London UK and can make it you can see it in the flesh. The roads do feel like roads and videos and more pics with 28mm minis to be posted next week. Any deeper road depth though we found you get "cocked" dice and some models do begin to tip, cocked dice is annoying especially on that critical game play moment ;P. We want game play to be seamless and the art, detail and the texture to give the aesthetics, plus 28mm terrain is super abstract. But that's the decision behind the depth. I think when gamers see it in the flesh next week, we look forward to their reactions too. If you are @ GEN CON too you will see it there.

Yes. these are Games & Gears Base Painted Battle Boards (TM) . We wanted to cut out the hours of painting and a ready to play on battlefield that can be worked on to add more detail if the players so wishes that . This allows you to play as is or redo do or even and more to it.

Wow, it looks really great set up as a DzC board. The squares look fine for scale with 28mm, too... but aren't the roads too small for 28mm? Or am I missing something?

Video and closer pics to come on roads . Next week. Also we have a bit on that on the post above. We have played infinity & 40k several times now, Rhinos and vehicles and else work like a treat, which will be demonstrated to the public next week. Although we do advise to change the lanes if you want or leave as is


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one more thing. You can have your board 6"-12" out (asin nothing holding the underneath of 6"-12") It will hold your entire 40k or Infinity army like a treat for your deployment set up without any stress. Our new clip system is innovative and does the job it set out to do. So you do not need a 4 by 4 or 6 by 4 pure flat surface underneath to play on your Games & Gears Battle Boards. Both opposite sides can be 6"-12"inches out.

so when can I buy a plain generic 6x8 grass board for historicals?

Sounds good, but I would still prefer deeper roads, personally I roll my dice in a tray, but I understand the reasoning.

@fullheadofhair. Soonish .

@Psychoticstorm, MK2 trays are being made. Difference between the old ones is that they are now 24" long. To fit the battle boards. Also ample more space to roll those dice!

Armies/causalities, reference cards, templates etc can be placed in the Games & Gears trays which attach to the sides of the boards.

Games & Gears Felt dice trays are recommended to be attached/placed on either right side or left side of the board for dice rolling. So both players can see the results clearly and avoid the "Dice everywhere" on the gaming board scenario.

Were the city planners high on speed or something? Why do the tile sizes change every 5 feet? The council workers contracted to lay them must've gone mad constantly changing tile types.

GamesNGears wrote:
Video and closer pics to come on roads . Next week. Also we have a bit on that on the post above. We have played infinity & 40k several times now, Rhinos and vehicles and else work like a treat, which will be demonstrated to the public next week. Although we do advise to change the lanes if you want or leave as is.

Oh, that makes perfect sense! It would probably be worth selling a version with no lines painted on the roads, as for 28mm they'd represent a single lane road wide enough for one vehicle, rather than a wide highway for 10mm.

Very smart, though!

@H.B.M.C. LoL . It's the exact replica of Hawk Wargames tiles. We think it looks nifty/sci-fi & keeps it universal to a great extent for 6mm-28mm range games.

@Ritides, Exactly and thanks!

Sweet, I if can get out of work early I will come down to the club. Can't wait to get these.

Where does one go if one wishes to purchase anything from your product lines?

I too am intrigued. I see a Facebook page and references to a Kickstarter that may be looming, but nowhere currently to actually buy a board? Looking to round out our Robotech terrain before it ends up on our doorsteps (sometime before the sun goes nova, of course).

And, are the brushes and holders available now too?

Hrm.. so the mysterious middle step of terrain (between all cardstock and all resin) is revealed. I just watched a DZC cityscape youtube video in anticipation of my cityscape box arrival and the DZC dev mentioned a middle step of terrain priced between the two others and this seems to fit the bill.

 Alpharius wrote:
And, are the brushes and holders available now too?

I remember seeing pre-orders for the brushes and stands on The Warstore, but they seem to not be their anymore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Were the city planners high on speed or something? Why do the tile sizes change every 5 feet? The council workers contracted to lay them must've gone mad constantly changing tile types.

So you've been to Montréal, I see. You're welcome.

Am I missing something or is this just some straight pencil lines on a grey cardboard?

lol, we just previewed these at the Charring Cross Gaming Club.

The gamers there, Hawk Wargames and us can assure you is hard plastic. It's just very well done and it's really fine detail work on the boards.

We will upload pics later today from the gaming Club.

We will also be showcasing these at the Hero & Legends Gaming Store this Saturday, East Croydon London.

They will be there Gen Con 2013 as well. We have some audio commentary from the public who played on them and we will accumulate more this Saturday and release audio commentary next week.

We are blown away thus far with the feedback . Thank you


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 Forar wrote:
I too am intrigued. I see a Facebook page and references to a Kickstarter that may be looming, but nowhere currently to actually buy a board? Looking to round out our Robotech terrain before it ends up on our doorsteps (sometime before the sun goes nova, of course).

Kickstarter news on this to come soon




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 Alpharius wrote:
Where does one go if one wishes to purchase anything from your product lines?

Our site is in the final stages of coding. Once it is complete in a few weeks we will launch it. with some more info in the coming weeks. Its happening .


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 Alpharius wrote:
And, are the brushes and holders available now too?

Literally a few weeks away . Will keep updating news here as it all moves forward


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First session at the Charring Cross Gaming Club!

Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Battle Boards in action!


Firsts Session of Gaming of Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle Board. Both Gamers getting a Dropzone Commander Demo. Canadian and Spanish chaps having fun!


Can you spot the new models from Dropzone Comamander on the Games & Gears Dropzone Commander City Battle Board???


The Scourge enter the battlefield. Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Battle board.

More pictures to come!

Sweet! Thanks for sharing, unfortunately I could not make it. Looks like it was a blast!

I assume when you said they'll be featured at Gencon, that they won't yet be available purchase? :(

So I can't actually purchase anything you guys make can I?

"Soon(tm)"?

yeah,
I'm starting to think that you have enough demand!
Why give kickstarter their 10% ?

Panic.

 Alfndrate wrote:
So I can't actually purchase anything you guys make can I?

As mush as we would love to sell them no. However we are hoping if all runs on time for you to have your battle board Oct,Nov, Dec. At the latest we hope.You will be able to purchase them in August we working hard on the KS.




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 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I'm starting to think that you have enough demand!
Why give kickstarter their 10% ?

Panic.

We will rule nothing out . But the KS is on schedule now


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 Forar wrote:
"Soon(tm)"?

We want the Hellscape Battle Board done and the Anime Wars battle board done. Ninja Division and us are working hard to make that happen


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 Alfndrate wrote:
So I can't actually purchase anything you guys make can I?

In a few weeks you will, coding on our site is nearly done, its now implementing the rest. Thank you for you support. Few weeks more then we will be there!!!!


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Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle Boards to be in the Dropzone Commander Tournament @
Hero & Legends Gaming Store
27th of July 2013
Hero & Legends Gaming Store
1 Matthews Yard
Off Surrey Street
Croydon
CR0 1FF
9am to 6pm. Come view the Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Battle Board in action! We hope to see you there!


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piperider361 wrote:
I assume when you said they'll be featured at Gencon, that they won't yet be available purchase? :(

:(, if we could we would. But the good news is they are not far off. The immense work in detail and getting the Games & Gears Battle Boards right has taken some time. But it has been worth it

is it ready yet? just messing !! saving up here can't wait. Take your time to get the rest as good as these or even better!!

28mm models and terrian in action. Painted by Simon Edwards long time gamer and overall awesome chap.







6mm Models here it is!!! remember you can repaint the lanes for more or less lanes or keep it as it is!

Do the lanes come with basic lane structure? Or will I have to paint them no matter what?

Also these show that while they're usable for 28mm games, they just look weird because of the width of the streets...

 Alfndrate wrote:
Do the lanes come with basic lane structure? Or will I have to paint them no matter what?

Also these show that while they're usable for 28mm games, they just look weird because of the width of the streets...

Yes lanes come as is. But we may do a sets without lanes, however you can just repaint it. These are base painted. Once you get to play a couple of times you'll get use to it. We are taking the battle boards around for the public to get a feel and see. Just had a mega 40k battle and it was sweet. Inifinity is a treat too.

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Do the lanes come with basic lane structure? Or will I have to paint them no matter what?

Also these show that while they're usable for 28mm games, they just look weird because of the width of the streets...

Yes lanes come as is. But we may do a sets without lanes, however you can just repaint it. These are base painted. Once you get to play a couple of times you'll get use to it. We are taking the battle boards around for the public to get a feel and see. Just had a mega 40k battle and it was sweet. Inifinity is a treat too.

Yeah, but if you look at a normal city street, how many people can you fit across the crosswalk? 10? 20? The image with the necrons looks like you can fit maybe 5. And the board itself just looks cramped because of it. Is it usable? Yeah, I said it was, it just looks weird.

It's far more suited for 6mm games...

without lanes it would help tremendously for larger scale wargames.

We can do sets without lanes easy . Less work for us too. Will most likely be an option. But seriously 40k mega battles are sweeet on our battle boards. Next in line is a large scale infinity game with a ton of terrain ;D, and wait to you see the Hellscape battle board.

Hell is coming... ;P

Will be nice to see pics of an Infinity game.

GamesNGears wrote:
We can do sets without lanes easy . Less work for us too. Will most likely be an option. But seriously 40k mega battles are sweeet on our battle boards.

Pics or it didn't happen as they say

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:
We can do sets without lanes easy . Less work for us too. Will most likely be an option. But seriously 40k mega battles are sweeet on our battle boards.

Pics or it didn't happen as they say

lol ok. Most of the minis ashamedly are unpainted. We will borrow some minis from somewhere!! =p

Totally would fit my 40k battles! Might start a Tau army because of this or Imperial guard. Want to see Hellscape now!! is it ready yet??

I'd be pretty interested in a 4'x4' with Infinity style terrain included. I'm looking forward to seeing what options you guys are coming up with!

The Dropzone Commander shots look great! Very intrigued

Thanks guys!

Infinity is our newest collection/game. Unfortunately we have not much painted. So we will try and ask friends to use their painted armies so you can have a look at how infinity plays on this Games & Gears Battle Board.

That would be great, thanks.

Hell is here. This is more of one of the Games & Gears Hellscape Battleboard 2 by 2 boards revealed. Hell is filled with layers of deceit, cruelty and trickery. What may look in the center as broken rough earth in the middle is actually a sea of skulls....this is just part of one 2 by 2 Games & Gears Hellscape battle board. More to be revealed soon. We will reveal the actual Hellscape Battle Board soon. Design concept teasers first ;P.

...This specifically to cater to those who regard the RoBb as having insufficient skulls?

What is the depth of the detail on the Hellscape board. From the pictures you have shown so far (the cracked earth, packing stones, and drop zone cityscape), the detail looks to be 1-2mm deep at best. Is the Hellscape board very different to the others?

 Bolognesus wrote:
...This specifically to cater to those who regard the RoBb as having insufficient skulls?

lol. Ninja Division the design this battle board. I am sure at some point they will jump in and explain . This is only part of a 2by2 . Wait till you see Hell in it's full hellish glory. We hope gamers from many settings pic this one up also.




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 willb2064 wrote:
What is the depth of the detail on the Hellscape board. From the pictures you have shown so far (the cracked earth, packing stones, and drop zone cityscape), the detail looks to be 1-2mm deep at best. Is the Hellscape board very different to the others?

What we can say is that the look feel and detail will be there, and being heavily resistant on models tipping over and cocked dice. When the public game on it in a few weeks and we shoot clean and crisp pics of the actual Games & Gears battle board you will see it fully in detail as at this point we don't won't to go into techniques or depth specifications just yet or our manufacturing process. We rather launch our detailed textured battle boards first! Hope you can understand. But you will see it very soon!

some teasers.

Will the actual Games & Gears Hellscape Battle Board be shown in public soon at some point?

A: Hell Yes

I take it you mean for sale, as opposed to free to copy whichever way we please?
Public domain is a rather specific term

 Bolognesus wrote:
I take it you mean for sale, as opposed to free to copy whichever way we please?
Public domain is a rather specific term

Thanks!

GamesNGears wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
...This specifically to cater to those who regard the RoBb as having insufficient skulls?

lol. Ninja Division the design this battle board. I am sure at some point they will jump in and explain . This is only part of a 2by2 . Wait till you see Hell in it's full hellish glory. We hope gamers from many settings pic this one up also.

Ninja Division is made up of Sodapop, Palladium, and the important one for this, Cipher Studios. Cipher Studios currently holds the rights and licenses to Helldorado. I'm assuming that this is Hellscape board is for that game, much like your streets were for Dropzone Commander/Robotech...

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
...This specifically to cater to those who regard the RoBb as having insufficient skulls?

lol. Ninja Division the design this battle board. I am sure at some point they will jump in and explain . This is only part of a 2by2 . Wait till you see Hell in it's full hellish glory. We hope gamers from many settings pic this one up also.

Ninja Division is made up of Sodapop, Palladium, and the important one for this, Cipher Studios. Cipher Studios currently holds the rights and licenses to Helldorado. I'm assuming that this is Hellscape board is for that game, much like your streets were for Dropzone Commander/Robotech...

Wraith of Kings perhaps?

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Wraith of Kings perhaps?

I thought that at first, but there are other games like Zombicide (Guillotine Games) and Wrath of Kings (5 Houses Pte Ltd) that are owned and developed (from what I can tell) by other companies, but are published by CMON. And while CMON is also publishing Relic Knights, Games n Gears did mention that it was Ninja Division and not CMON. Currently the only properties that Ninja Division has access to are Palladium's stuff, Tentacle Bento, SDE, Relic Knights, Robotech, Helldorado and Anima Tactics.

You could be right, I just think that it might be Helldorado related.

Here is another teaser, showing you yet another sneak teaser preview. Hell is coming. Here is an early concept that we did for it. We cannot wait to show you the actual Battle Board in the in all it's Hellish glory.

Suggested settings/games you can play/use on Games & Gears Hellscape Battle Board for:

40k (Demon World, Traitor worlds, world that are being warped by Chaos)
Warhammer
Helldorado,
Warmachine
Hordes
Relic Knights
Malifaux
Dark Age
Anima Tactics
this list is not exhaustive.


What we know from Ninja Division. Is that these battle boards are designed to transcend game settings. However it does compliment a certain few very much so.

Dang it. I just want a plain board for my historicals and I want it NOW!!!! {stamps feet}

Hurry up please - people want to buy your product :-D

lol thank you.

The reason for the time length on our side is as follows:

Battle Boards will be delivered from 2-4.5months of the end of the KS. First 1500 Backers will get their battle boards within 2-3 months (we will nail the number soon). The rest will be within the 4.-4.5 months threshold. We don't do delays and dispatch on time. Doing this is actually a lot of hard work and needs a lot of prepping. Unlike the mountain of load of KS's where you have to wait 6-12 months for a product so they have a hell of a lot more time in prepping and still delay.

These "state of the art battle boards" (public statements) we want to show them in their full glory. So once were are funded we hit the mass production "button" and there are no headaches. For you or us.

It's not just about bringing about a great idea. It's about that and delivering it to those who have invested in us and honoring our commitments. We are working night and day and enjoying it. Although at times we do need some respite. You are worth it. Thank you and everyone for their endearing support. Keeps us going.

Best,
The Crew

GamesNGears wrote:
lol thank you.

The reason for the time length on our side is as follows:

Battle Boards will be delivered from 2-4.5months of the end of the KS. First 1500 Backers will get their battle boards within 2-3 months (we will nail the number soon). The rest will be within the 4.-4.5 months threshold. We don't do delays and dispatch on time. Doing this is actually a lot of hard work and needs a lot of prepping. Unlike the mountain of load of KS's where you have to wait 6-12 months for a product so they have a hell of a lot more time in prepping and still delay.

These "state of the art battle boards" (public statements) we want to show them in their full glory. So once were are funded we hit the mass production "button" and there are no headaches. For you or us.

It's not just about bringing about a great idea. It's about that and delivering it to those who have invested in us and honoring our commitments. We are working night and day and enjoying it. Although at times we do need some respite. You are worth it. Thank you and everyone for their endearing support. Keeps us going.

Best,
The Crew

Can't argue with that! Cannot wait for this!!

Its strange. One part of me hates the big dumb petagrame in the middle if the board. But another part of me loves it. As long as their is no reapeating textures of doom like last time it will be ace.

 Lockark wrote:
Its strange. One part of me hates the big dumb petagrame in the middle if the board. But another part of me loves it. As long as their is no reapeating textures of doom like last time it will be ace.

. The doom has been removed and replaced by aces. ;P

GamesNGears wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Its strange. One part of me hates the big dumb petagrame in the middle if the board. But another part of me loves it. As long as their is no reapeating textures of doom like last time it will be ace.

. The doom has been removed and replaced by aces. ;P

I suspect in the end it'll be seen by most like the "skull pit" on ROB. Appropriate for the game it's sold to use with but out of place with anything else.

I'm just looking for a generic grass or desert board, where the detail is very nicely done and the price isn't too high.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I'm just looking for a generic grass or desert board, where the detail is very nicely done and the price isn't too high.

And there are no built-in hills!

 warboss wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Its strange. One part of me hates the big dumb petagrame in the middle if the board. But another part of me loves it. As long as their is no reapeating textures of doom like last time it will be ace.

. The doom has been removed and replaced by aces. ;P

I suspect in the end it'll be seen by most like the "skull pit" on ROB. Appropriate for the game it's sold to use with but out of place with anything else.

Agreed,the Games & Gears Hellscape Battle Board will transcend well with most fantasy settings like WHFB, KOW, Helldorado, even to a great extent 40k (Demon/Choas, traitor worlds). But it can also work in Hordes and Warmachine. But of course will fit in more strongly with some settings as opposed to other game settings naturally.


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 Slinky wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
I'm just looking for a generic grass or desert board, where the detail is very nicely done and the price isn't too high.

And there are no built-in hills!

. We can promise you that!

Attending GEN CON 2013 INDIANAPOLIS? Go to the Hawk Wargames Booth and get a demo on one of our Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Battle boards!! Where Simon & Anna will be happy to demo you a game via the battle boards! Booth NO: 572

GamesNGears wrote:
Attending GEN CON 2013 INDIANAPOLIS? Go to the Hawk Wargames Booth and get a demo on one of our Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Battle boards!! Where Simon & Anna will be happy to demo you a game via the battle boards! Booth NO: 572

I saw these there, and man, they looked so good!

As a backer of Secret Weapon's modular tiles... I will ALSO be backing this one . The fact that they are 2x2 makes them fulfill a different role for me, and I ordered a fantasy set of tiles from Secret Weapon and this is more modern / sci-fi.

I should've taken pics, but I imagine someone must've? This product was even better in-person

Yeah,
I was a backer of the first games and gear battle board kickstarter and was dismayed that people didn't back it!

With the success of their excellent brushes kickstarter, all delivered on time, Games ands Gears now have an proven track record.
I can't wait to get involved in this one.

Panic...

I will agree, the boards looked quite good quality wise, but, seeing them in person the dropzone commander board has ideal road depth for 15mm, for 28mm it needs to be more down.

yeah,

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I will agree, the boards looked quite good quality wise, but, seeing them in person the dropzone commander board has ideal road depth for 15mm, for 28mm it needs to be more down.

I think exaggerated 40k model sizes/scales have spoiled us and the fact that our models are standing on thick bases confuses us!...
How deep do you want that curb? in reality most curbs are about ankle deep?

I accept this board was planned around 15mm but I plan to repaint and remove all road markings anyway, in fact I plan to dremel the feth out of my G&G board when I get it, and make it look like it's been around for 10,000+ years, the prepaint is merely an early base coat in my eyes!

Panic...

Ideally deep enough to create the illusion the road is lower when a model with base is on it.

These will be sole deep without base for 28mm Infinity models.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I will agree, the boards looked quite good quality wise, but, seeing them in person the dropzone commander board has ideal road depth for 15mm, for 28mm it needs to be more down.

I think exaggerated 40k model sizes/scales have spoiled us and the fact that our models are standing on thick bases confuses us!...
How deep do you want that curb? in reality most curbs are about ankle deep?

I accept this board was planned around 15mm but I plan to repaint and remove all road markings anyway, in fact I plan to dremel the feth out of my G&G board when I get it, and make it look like it's been around for 10,000+ years, the prepaint is merely an early base coat in my eyes!

Panic...

I don't think 40k has spoiled me too much. This was one of my issues with the board as well. I ran my fingers over it to see how high the curb was, and my clipped fingernails got caught on it. It's most definitely made for 10 and 15mm, it just looks a little goofy with 28mm.

I think they are going to offer versions painted for 28mm... ie, without a centerline painted on the road.

I don't think the board will look "goofy" at all. For the price, it'll be fantastic!

Of course, given that I play Dropzone Commander, I will likely get the version with the painted lines on it.

As long as the Kickstarter offers more than this urban theme, i'll be happy.

I've been wanting this for ages... and held off on Tablescapes due to financial duress at the time, and this one looming.

Only problem is... a nicely textured grass, etc... would be way more useful than urban streets.

I'd also kill for something closer to Tablescapes in terms of depth/height. I actually like hilly and textured to a high degree, especially if i'm linking several modular pieces together anyway.

I'd consider picking up these streets and switching my Tablescapes selection to their Ruined Temple (the sort of theme I don't see Games and Gears doing as well).
The curb depth does bother me though, and the price isn't so radically different that I wouldnt just go with the other available option that I'm already partly commited to.

Hey all,

Thanks for the support. We are working hard to bring these battle boards to you. Wait till you see the attachable gaming trays for these battle boards. They are very slick.

We are busy making sure these are the best battle boards on the market and at the same time affordable and not crazy prizes. It was a great joy to see so many people see one of our battle boards at Gen Con 2013 and we still recovering from it.

Ninja Division & Games & Gears are working hard to get the rest ready and done. Which is Hellscape & Anime Wars.

So thank you for your patience, excitement and time. We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

Doing it right is a lot of hard work, but you are all definitely worth it. With your support we can bring these battle boards and change the table top gaming experience for good.

~The Crew

ok this is just so very cool from G&G Facebook:

"Sneak Preview... How many miniatures can you fit on a Games & Gears Gaming Tray???

Can you guess how many miniatures are in this Games & Gears Gaming Tray?

Ever hated placing your casualties on the table top, afraid they might get damage on the near end of the boards??

Hated having to put your miniatures in the middle of the table just to deploy them again in the deployment zone?

We we have found the solution, attached these slick Games & gears Gaming trays to your Games & Gears Battle Board, and change the way you play and enhance the experience. You can attach these to any side. Place you gaming tokens, cards, dice, tape measures, templates and a lot more on our Games & Gears Gaming trays. Not to add a soon to be revealed Gaming Dice tray. These trays are a slick 24" long & wide enough to fit a lot of your gaming accessories. We want you to just move your miniatures on the table and have a more cinematic game! Hope you like this sneak pic."

And BAM ( this part was me not G&G haha)







guessing 100 miniatures in the tray????

Looks closer to 50 in that pic.

Not entirely sure what they mean by 'attach to any side', are these strong enough to hang off the table when filled with models?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Looks closer to 50 in that pic.

Not entirely sure what they mean by 'attach to any side', are these strong enough to hang off the table when filled with models?

A little off, the number is a bit higher! ;P.

No stress on flat surface! If no surface underneath as future demonstrations will show it's fine. No other battle board we know of (possibly ROB) can hold well if both ends of the battle board our 12" outside a table surface, Ours can. The Games & Gears Gaming Trays has the same tech. The Games & Gears gaming trays can be attached or glued to either side, whichever you are happy with and makes most sense to you. If you have a space issue you can attach and detached them, if you are fortunate to have enough ample space to game at home you can have them glued on as just another option.

On the model count. If you play warhammer you can have 5 ranks of normal infantry deep no problem. We have not tried is but we think you can fit 100 (80 for sure!) Warhammer infantry models.

So on a 6 by 4 we know you can fit 180 Warhammer Infantry miniatures (3 Games & Gears Gaming Trays) , will check to see if you can do 200 . However we think the main purpose of the Games & Gears Gaming trays will be for your gaming accessories.

What about metal models?

Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
What about metal models?

Good for metal. We should release maximum metal weights in KG for metal armies. As each army varies in sizes and weights . Note this is for only tables that are small than the playing/tray surface. Like any other battle board they are awesome on flat surface and the only one in the world (with the exception of ROB??) that can be played with without stress from miniature weight if the surface underneath is smaller than the Games & Gears Battle board. We did this deliberately as we know know everyone has a big table at home/store/con.

You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

There's quite a few 'garage' operations making quasi-modular boards out of mainly foam and/or MDF (which of course does not link together or stand up to bending as well as most plastics do).

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!


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 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Anyone who makes battle boards? & because not everyone has a table that is 4x4 or 6x4 at home?store or else? I think we clarified all this before. We don't have tables ourseleves here which are 6x4. So we made these battle boards to insure that you can play with a smaller table surface which we have outlined, which is a great benefit and not many people have the space or luxury to have such big tables. If you want an detailed discussion pm us. We want to concentrate here on Games & Gears Battle Boards here and will post some Gen Con pics here soon that have been forward to us.

GamesNGears wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!

Got it, thanks for the reply . I am even more interested knowing that it is / will be already ready, and so not such a long wait on fulfillment as with most kickstarter campaigns.

 RiTides wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!

Got it, thanks for the reply . I am even more interested knowing that it is / will be already ready, and so not such a long wait on fulfillment as with most kickstarter campaigns.

no problem. It's been a long road of hard work and Kudos to Ninja Division and Hawk Wargames for working with us on this. It's been worth it and we really want you to play on it!!!

Edit: Not worth it. I've seen their boards, RoB, and Tablescapes. I was not impressed by their boards.

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:
Anyone who makes battle boards? & because not everyone has a table that is 4x4 or 6x4 at home?store or else? I think we clarified all this before. We don't have tables ourseleves here which are 6x4. So we made these battle boards to insure that you can play with a smaller table surface which we have outlined, which is a great benefit and not many people have the space or luxury to have such big tables. If you want an detailed discussion pm us. We want to concentrate here on Games & Gears Battle Boards here and will post some Gen Con pics here soon that have been forward to us.

I just wanted to know who you considered competitors, but you never really answer my questions with solid information. You only make the claim of your stuff being similar/better to RoB. Like, who else is in the battle boards business besides you, GW, and tablescapes? If you're only comparing yourselves to 1 company then either you don't consider other people competitors, or you don't know who else produces similar products. I'm just trying to get information out of you.

And I'm not saying everyone has a 6x4 table in their house, but most people have a table that's larger than 4x2 (which would give 12 inches on every side of the board). I have a 3x3 that I play games on at home. And even that is 6 inches too short on every side. I wouldn't trust heavy models on anything in which a foot of extra space is hanging off of the table. Would you be able to test it? Throw a big heavy model up on the edge of the board (as if you were deploying for a game) and take a side shot/video of it.

Our focus right now is on the Games & Gears battle boards right now and bringing the KS about soon . We are only stating what Games & Gears Battle boards can do. But we appreciate it. We want these battle boards to be accessible to everyone. For students, professionals and everyone else. We also want the person in the small flat who doesn't have adequate table space to at least be able to get a decent sized game. Remember if you have the space then you are super set with Games & Gears battle boards. We recommend for the best experience to have a fully flat surface underneath. At the same time we also understand a lot of people don't not have that luxury of having this space or table pending where you live/country/setup so we in built in the design to insure that those people with space/.able issues are not overly penalized. We want as many people to get these and we think it is a small perk that will benefit many we hope!!

Yes we will do a video for metal models deployed on corners and extreme edges

A theme for us is accessibility via good design and price. We hope these boards are an added incentive to pull more new people as well to the hobby

man I cannot wait, really appreciate you giving your explanations and reason behind things G&G. Make me want to back you even more. Looking forward to the reward levels. Can't wait for this

I am also primed and ready

@slinkly & Darkeldarcrone, thank you (and everyone else on these 8 DAKKA DAKKA pages ).

Like you and a lot of others we cannot wait for the KS to go live and cannot wait even more when you get the Games & Gears Battle boards and use it for a long time. We are working on it!

from their facebook page. Very slick stuff, saving my money for this.

"Sneak Preview :Games & Gears Gaming trays attached to our Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle Board. As you can see nothing is supporting beneath the Games & Gears Gaming tray which holds perfectly well with a full army on it waiting to be deployed. On a 6 by 4 you can fit 3 Games & Gears Gaming Trays to either long side of the Games & Gears battle boards."

Can you post a video of that, and bump the table a bit?

Currently its making me think of this:

I'm a bit late to the party on this, but,

Hellscape??

Gimme.

Or, at least, gimme a brief explanation of the thinking behind the concept, so I can get properly excited please!

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Huh? I would love to be able to have 8x6 plastic modular boards on a 6x4 gaming table. 6x4 is barely big enough for historicals.

lol we will be publicly viewing the battle boards again with trays and Games & Gears battle boards/trays holding swimmingly well with less surface underneath. So this will be shown in UK clubs and a lot more for many to see. . So we hope this wraps up all questions. Video to be shown closer to the KS but also pictures of gamers playing on them too like before will happen.

Also Hell is coming soon


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@judgedoug, very true

"Swimmingly" well nice.

A video of gamers playing on the board and using the trays would be awesome!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Huh? I would love to be able to have 8x6 plastic modular boards on a 6x4 gaming table. 6x4 is barely big enough for historicals.

Agreed. I have absolutely no idea what he has a bee in his bonnet about. Who gives a toss as to who his competitors are - if it is that important to him he can go do his own research whilst GnG gets this dang KS up and running.

This looks like a quality board which will suit my historical needs perfectly.

Well since it seems that no one can let sleeping dogs lie, the reason why I asked about competitors of these boards is because GnG was only referring to the Realm of Battle board, now I had done some research into this because I was curious as to who else was out there, and as someone that was considering spending their money on this product, I wanted to know:
1) who their competitors are (from their point of view)
2) What kind of value I could get with this product vs a competitor's product
3) what features these offered vs competitor's features.

But I could not get a straight answer from them, and just got more marketing speak (the highlighting of a feature and not answering my question).

As for competitors out there, I've found 3 companies that make Plastic Injection Molded modular gaming boards, RoB, Ziterdes, and Tablescapes.

Out of all 4 of the tables I've found, I've had experience with 3 of them. I've yet to see Zitredes boards and didn't know they existed until I started the little research I had done. I got a decent experience with GnG's boards at GenCon, obviously I couldn't pick them up as they were being used for the Dropzone Commander demos, but I poked them, tapped them, rolled dice on them, set models down on them, terrain (by virtue of the demo), and I wasn't impressed. Everything had a plastic-y texture on it similar to the plastic casing on computers (it's what I got near me atm ). The dice made a racket on the boards that I found distracting, I'm sure this could be lessened by putting a table cloth or something beneath it. It was not dissimilar to the complaints people have had about the Realm of Battle Boards. The quality of the tables seemed very flimsy, and I would hesitate to play games that are known for their large metal models (I'm looking at you Privateer Press). I'm not saying the quality of the boards is bad, but without being able to pick it up and inspect a tile, I could only go off of the look of them, and it seemed like it wouldn't like having metal models or heavy terrain on it for long periods of time (light DZC models and cardstock terrain is a far stretch different from GF9 terrain and metal models).

To answer your question about the extra 2 feet of space, my worry would be very similar to the picture that Cy posted. 6 inches I can see, because it's not that big, but with an extra foot, there is a lot of room (that's 1/4th of a Warmahordes board just sitting out there). I would be afraid of sagging, dropping, snapping, breaking, models sliding off, any any other host of problems I forsee happening.

GnG, have you actually tested what happens if you have a fethload of weight on a board that has 12 inches of space off the table?

Glad to know you saw them at Gen Con, which was good times with 592 sign ups from the event from our interest list from Gen Con 2013.

As we stated, public will see it. So it's a non issue as they will see it before the the KS. We are taking to a warmahcine heavy club soon in the UK. So we can get back to you on that. Also note this is a small perk of our Games & Gears battle boards & built for those who have lack of table space and cannot wait to share more with you! .

Alf, I saw the same boards at GenCon and had the opposite reaction. You're just speculating / guessing. Dice making a racket? As you say, they do the same on a RoB board.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you and I have identical exposure to these AND tablescapes. I like them both and think you are making too much of your very brief exposure to them. Everyone else I've spoken to (for example, a local gamer who played in the DzC tourney at GenCon) who saw them there thought they were great.

In particular, from my view, for the price! $100 for a 6x4... Yes, please! I love Tablescapes from what I've seen, in-person and online, but I paid $50 for a 2x2 from them. Both are good options, and fill different roles... it's possible, and logical, to like both

I suspect it isn't what you're saying, Alf, but one could read your post as if you think that a heavy model/s could conceivably fall through the board?

I'm doubting the heaviest miniature manufactured could do that, but I assuming you mean if they were positioned on the overhang?

@Fullheadofhair, Thanks! We are working on it! under 25 days we hope and will let you all know more as soon as we get a specific date.

@Ritides, cheers, our focus is on our Games & Gears Gaming tables and are developing what we hope to be the best battle board possible and I think gamers would not expect anything else.

@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

We are very taken back by the enormous anticipation for our Games & Gears Battle boards. With over 1000 Hell Yes's on our FB page and here and elsewhere. We just want to make sure we do it all right, deliver on time and see many people playing on them.

this is good news [I always wanted a cheap board].

GamesNGears wrote:
Glad to know you saw them at Gen Con, which was good times with 592 sign ups from the event from our interest list from Gen Con 2013.

I think I'm one of those sign-ups . I didn't quite catch what it would be for, though. Will an email be going out when the campaign is about to launch, or the like?

GamesNGears wrote:


@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

Well come to my club and show us then!

@singyourlife . Working on it!

@Ritides, Yes, emails will be sent prior the launch date, reward levels with more detail. We will try to have all the info ready so everyone knows what to expect prior KS launch.


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@azreal13, Awesome, we will post which clubs in London we will be at though hopefully soon. Would love to visit Devon! PM us, would love to have you down one of the Gaming Clubs, either way!

GamesNGears wrote:
@Fullheadofhair, Thanks! We are working on it! under 25 days we hope and will let you all know more as soon as we get a specific date.

@Ritides, cheers, our focus is on our Games & Gears Gaming tables and are developing what we hope to be the best battle board possible and I think gamers would not expect anything else.

@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

We are very taken back by the enormous anticipation for our Games & Gears Battle boards. With over 1000 Hell Yes's on our FB page and here and elsewhere. We just want to make sure we do it all right, deliver on time and see many people playing on them.

For the 12" overhang, how many G&GBB tiles must be on the table?

If you can get a club that has a Thunderhawk or a Titan to put one/both on the 12" overhang and have a video of the camera panning above and below the table that would probably be the best show.

RiTides wrote:Alf, I saw the same boards at GenCon and had the opposite reaction. You're just speculating / guessing. Dice making a racket? As you say, they do the same on a RoB board.

Yup, which is one of my main issues with the RoB board as well.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you and I have identical exposure to these AND tablescapes. I like them both and think you are making too much of your very brief exposure to them. Everyone else I've spoken to (for example, a local gamer who played in the DzC tourney at GenCon) who saw them there thought they were great.

First impressions are a witch like that aren't they? Opinions, donkey caves, etc... I had left this thread and merely came back because a few posters wanted to know wtf my issue was with the boards and I explained myself in an unbiased way as I could.

In particular, from my view, for the price! $100 for a 6x4... Yes, please! I love Tablescapes from what I've seen, in-person and online, but I paid $50 for a 2x2 from them. Both are good options, and fill different roles... it's possible, and logical, to like both

Technically both fill the same role, your 2x2 display board will fill a different role from your 6x4 GnG board, but RoB, Tablescapes, Zit boards, and GnG boards all fill the role of easy to store, modular gaming tables. TB and Zit both run about 125 for 4x4, RoB is expensive, and GnG offers the cheapest price, but in my opinion it feels just too cheap for what I would expect. Not a bad thing, just my view on it.

azreal13 wrote:I suspect it isn't what you're saying, Alf, but one could read your post as if you think that a heavy model/s could conceivably fall through the board?

I'm doubting the heaviest miniature manufactured could do that, but I assuming you mean if they were positioned on the overhang?

What I mean is, if you look at the underside of tablescapes, and I think RoB (can't say for Zit's boards as I've only seen the tops of them) they have support structures that lead from the center out to the end. This helps the board from bending and sagging in the middle of the tile, which is what might happen over time if you use any board as a display board, or have your table setup for long games and leave them for a week or so at a time. Since I couldn't pick the GnG tiles up or see them from below, this is only my speculation however.

Though this is also a worry about tiles on the end of the board. if I'm playing with Mulg on a 4x4 board that's sitting on a 34 inch by 34 inch card table, will deploying Mulg in the corner cause my board to bend over time? Will this be something that I have to worry about, that's what my worries would be about these products. I've got 5 tablescape tiles, I've been putting them through the wringer in anticipation of my own KS pledge to come in, so far, nothing terribly noticeable.

I think we have stated that we will preview this small and exceptional perk to the public prior the KS. We actually have done this already in the UK at the Charring Cross Club and we will do it again. So I hope that helps

As far as we know, only Games & Gears Battle Boards and ROB can handle stress well 6" to 12" out comfortably. There are stress levels which we will outline (which is based on weight and common sense).

Thank you for helping us explore one of Games & Gears Battle boards unique perks. We did not think this bit would cause such an enormous interest. But we do thank you for it.

So we very much hope with everyone who has gamed on these battle boards and will do so soon and you can see in the flesh yourself or hear about it when we present it to the public once again. (I think we have over stressed this point)

It's good times and we thank you for it


We have warmachine Colossals. We will outline all the weight levels in KG and LBs. We want to first demonstrate in the public first prior the KS. We think this is the best course of action. Too demonstrate this perk. Also we want people to game on it once again!! (making a point of this again, hope this makes sense)

We hope to have the Hellscape battle board Demo'd soon!

Lastly the trays are a treat and we hope that many of you will find it's versatility and use as awesome as we have experienced with it. Please note in the future there will be many more things you can attach to a Games & Gears Battle Board

As someone who's been around for awhile, I've got at least as many figures, armies, squads in metal as I do in plastic. While I like the look of the products, and I'm probably down for at least one board (depending on international shipping) I'm a bit concerned about those trays supporting the weight of 28mm metal squads/regiments/armies.

I'm less concerned with the overhang feature, as we play on 6x4 tables at my club anyway. Where these win out for me is they are an affordable and transportable way for me to have a surface that matches my damn basing for a change, and, while we have a number of mats at the club, on busy nights you can be playing on the white Formica that the tables are all topped with.

I can see the club springing for a few of these (especially as we have a lot of Infinity and Warmachine players, so will be able to do three tables with two boards.) But I'd like one to match my daemons, and I expect the club will want more generic surfaces.

Sure, but as I said, postage permitting, I'm already down with these. (homie!) So the overhanging trays are my only concern about being useful or not.

Don't need the over hang myself but neat addition to the G&G boards.

G&G start posting these updates here! ;P From their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

"Update: We can now confirm the first 1400 backers for Our Games & Gears Battle Boards will have their battle boards dispatched to them within 3-4.5 months after the end of the kickstarter. We will try and get this down to 2.5-3 months. The rest of our awesome backers after the initial 1400 kickstarter backers will get their battle boards on the 5 month from the end of the Kickstater and we will try to get that down to 4 months if we can. We aim to insure you do not have to so long for your Games & Gears Battle Boards. Good price, good quality and deliver on time is our creed and we stand by it. . As soon as we have more news on the specific Kickstarter launch date we will let you know. We are working night and day to bring it about and are equally excited to see this kickstarter launch. Thank you ever so much for your endearing support."

good work guys, you guys must work bloody hard for a turn around like that. You did do it with your brushes. Can't wait!

Yeah, I like the sound of that turnaround time! Particularly since their previous KS delivered on time (although was for a very different product).

@Azazelx, Free shipping for Australia

@azreal13, awesome thank cannot wait for you and your club to have it!

@Darkeldarcrone. ok we will! Thanks

@ Ritides & Dakreldarcrone. It's hard work but it totally worth it. We really want you all to start playing on Games & Gears Battle Boards.

GamesNGears wrote:
@Azazelx, Free shipping for Australia

I can probably manage to swing that. Good job, guys.

Is 6x4 the only option available, or will larger and smaller sizes be available?

I rarely need a 6x4 table anymore these days, and a 2x2 display option, 3x3 (not possible cause your boards are 2x2 right?), and 4x4 would be as the kids call it, peachy keen.

Each theme will have 6 designs which can be used together to give many combinations in customizing your Games & Gears battle board. 2 of which will be unlocked via stretch goals per theme. To give great diversity and as many combinations per theme each backer will get 6 Games & Gears Battle Boards. Which can make up 2by2, 4by4 or 6by4. Our price point makes it affordable in comparison for our future backers to have more choice. So if you only play on a 4by4 you have 6 customizable design and more options in creating your world/battlefield, this also stops 4by4 players from being penalized as they too get all 6 design themes. If we get more and more backers we hope to unlock more designs per theme that has been stated.

If our kickstarter becomes funded and is very successful with the support of the gaming community. We can then make 3by3 boards for release in 2014 without KS in the future. We hope this KS starts the road and path for us to service the gaming community even more down the months and years to come. That is a good goal. Step by step we can accomplish much.

So no "cheaper" options for smaller sized boards? :( Eh, thems the rubs. The 3x3 one would be nice, but since I don't have to wait for a kickstarter, I just need this one to succeed

Good luck

Alf, I think it's the tooling costs. There might be some demand for smaller sized boards but probably not enough to make a parallel market.

Additionally, from what I understand the GnG boards are 2x2 on purpose because of the underside support structure and the way the interlocking pieces connect the boards together. Apparently this is what helps give them the strength to support a 12" overhand, as the 2x2 boards are all interlocked and supporting each other due to the strong interlocking piece. That interlocking piece may be tooled or engineered in such a way for the 2x2 boards and not for 1x1, etc.

Still, I am to pledge a ton because I'd like it to succeed and I'd love for there to be new releases for next year, etc.

Sorry, I believe I may have been misread when I said 2x2 and 4x4 I figured it'd be a single GnG tile, or 4 GnG tiles, and not a 1x1 tile

2x2 is a fine measurement for the individual tiles, I was just asking if there would be options for those of us that don't want or don't have the cash for a 6x4 board. like 100 bucks for a 6x4 board, perhaps a 20 dollar pledge level for those that just want a single tile. There are people that would do that just so that they could either 1) see the product itself without investing a chunk of money, or 2) just pick up a single tile for display board purposes. Or sell a 4x4 for like 70 to 75 bucks.

To keep the KS simple and with an easy reward interface. Ninja Division, Hawk Wargames & Games & Gears after feedback from the public at events have decided that all backers should be able to get all 6 designs per theme. It's a two way support mechanic as well for us. Gamers get more design choice and more product for good value and we get more volume which is equally important.

Hoping with the success of this Kickstarter, we will venture to do 3by3 for 2014 were you can purchase it directly. So we very much hope for the success of this kickstarter to be a positive engine/catalyst for great things to come!

Just a 6x4 option is just fine, imo, if it's at the $100 price point

 RiTides wrote:
Just a 6x4 option is just fine, imo, if it's at the $100 price point

Hey I'm a cheap so and so, I was just investigating my options . 100 bucks is fine, but that becomes half my disposable income for a month I've got no problems if they only want to sell it in 6x4 increments, I was just seeing if there would be lesser sizes available for sale.

yeah,

GamesNGears wrote:
... Hoping with the success of this Kickstarter, we will venture to do 3by3 for 2014 were you can purchase it directly. So we very much hope for the success of this kickstarter to be a positive engine/catalyst for great things to come!

Interesting!
3'x3' how many games use 3x3? I can only think of star wars x-wing..

Also how would this work?
1x 3'x3' tile?
4x 1.5'x1.5' tiles
9x 1'x1' tiles

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah, how many games use 3x3? I can only think of star wars x-wing..

Panic...

Malifaux is 3x3, and Brushfire works decently on a 3x3.

Hopefully it wouldn't be a single 3x3 tile, as that would just be awkward to deal with.

Okay guys, the point has been made. It is really obvious that 2x2 tiles cannot make a 3x3 board. There are other great options that can, so if that is what you are interested in, please discuss it over there... thanks.

So there won't be a 4x4 option in the KS?

RiTides wrote:Okay guys, the point has been made. It is really obvious that 2x2 tiles cannot make a 3x3 board. There are other great options that can, so if that is what you are interested in, please discuss it over there... thanks.

GamesNGears wrote:
Hoping with the success of this Kickstarter, we will venture to do 3by3 for 2014 were you can purchase it directly. So we very much hope for the success of this kickstarter to be a positive engine/catalyst for great things to come!

G&G mention a 3x3 is planned, so its discussion should be fine here?

yeah,
I wasn't being negative!
I'm planning on buying a G&G board.

During the previous campaign I was also very interested in the possibility of a death star texture!

Panic...

A death star texture would be sweet

Cyporiean, you're right and my apologies... However, it won't be a part of this campaign from that comment (edit: confirmed below, so the discussion would indeed belong elsewhere).

Thanks, we would prefer to focus on the Games & Gears 6by4 battle boards if possible. We have said all we can on the above.

@Panic & Ritides . Nuff said.

From above : "To keep the KS simple and with an easy reward interface. Ninja Division, Hawk Wargames & Games & Gears after feedback from the public at events have decided that all backers should be able to get all 6 designs per theme. It's a two way support mechanic as well for us. Gamers get more design choice and more product for good value and we get more volume which is equally important. "

Excellent, hopefully you'll reveal some more teaser pics soon

When you say "6 designs per theme" (2 unlocked via stretch goals) does that mean 6 different tile molds per theme? Will you be launching with more than one theme?

@Judgedoug, thank you!
@Panic, thanks again!
and everyone else here for their awesome support

@Ritides
Yes.

Themes we can confirm so far:

-Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle boards
-Games & Gears Hellscape Battle Boards
-Games & Gears Anime Wars Battle Boards
-Unknown (to be revealed)

I'm curious and also terrified to find out what a board that pairs well with any anime themed game looks like.

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too! Intriguing...

Are there any previews for the anime wars theme board? Also, I apologize if this has been brought up before, by when will the kickstarter launch?

 plastictrees wrote:
I'm curious and also terrified to find out what a board that pairs well with any anime themed game looks like.

I can only think of 5 obviously Anime-esque miniatures games atm: Anima Tactics, Relic Knights, Super Dungeon Explore, Endless: Fantasy Tactics, and Krossmaster Arena.

Relic Knights:


I can't locate any pics of an Anima Tactics demo, but I don't imagine it'd be anything that different from say a Malifaux table.

Super Dungeon Explore:


Endless:


Krossmaster:



Of those five, 2 are already tied to Ninja Division (Relic Knights & Anima Tactics), and 2 are board games that I don't think are going to be G&G target (SDE and Krossmaster), and 1 they haven't talked to the owners about licensing yet (It'd also have some intersting logistical challenges for the depth/modularity of the G&G tables).

I was thinking of Krosmaster Arena, as well... I wonder if their boards will lend themselves to a natural look like that, or if it would be more like Relic Knights'.

We'll find out soon enough

I took it to mean that it was for Anima Tactics (the CMON demo board at GenCon looks standard fantasy), based this on the fact that the hellscape board is also likely tied to Heldorado, both of which are done by the Cipher Studios aspect of Ninja Division as SDE and Relic Knights are done by Soda Pop's wing of Ninja Division.

I am interested to see the Anime Wars board the most

 Alfndrate wrote:
I took it to mean that it was for Anima Tactics (the CMON demo board at GenCon looks standard fantasy), based this on the fact that the hellscape board is also likely tied to Heldorado, both of which are done by the Cipher Studios aspect of Ninja Division as SDE and Relic Knights are done by Soda Pop's wing of Ninja Division.

I am interested to see the Anime Wars board the most

I'm guessing it might be something like cobblestone streets from Anima Tactics' semi-victorian style...

But something more nature-y could be possible.. maybe a Bamboo forest or zen garden style?



Or 1000 Cursed Springs?

Any and all of those sound awesome although I'll probably be sticking to the Dropzone board... for obvious reasons!

I would assume Anime Wars would fit things like Robotech, Infinity, etc... like future-city stuff.

we are as eager to show you as you are anticipating the rest of the Games & Gears battle boards. We are working night and day, labor of love but its been worth it thanks to you.

darkeldarcrone wrote:
Don't need the over hang myself but neat addition to the G&G boards.

G&G start posting these updates here! ;P From their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

"Update: We can now confirm the first 1400 backers for Our Games & Gears Battle Boards will have their battle boards dispatched to them within 3-4.5 months after the end of the kickstarter. We will try and get this down to 2.5-3 months. The rest of our awesome backers after the initial 1400 kickstarter backers will get their battle boards on the 5 month from the end of the Kickstater and we will try to get that down to 4 months if we can. We aim to insure you do not have to so long for your Games & Gears Battle Boards. Good price, good quality and deliver on time is our creed and we stand by it. . As soon as we have more news on the specific Kickstarter launch date we will let you know. We are working night and day to bring it about and are equally excited to see this kickstarter launch. Thank you ever so much for your endearing support."

good work guys, you guys must work bloody hard for a turn around like that. You did do it with your brushes. Can't wait!

This is one thing I think many kickstarters miss out on, staggering releases in response to an increase in orders (or stretch goals received). Nice to see some forward thinking.

Are there any pics of the other board types (hellscape in particular) out there, preferrable not on facebook lol?.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

darkeldarcrone wrote:
Don't need the over hang myself but neat addition to the G&G boards.

G&G start posting these updates here! ;P From their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

"Update: We can now confirm the first 1400 backers for Our Games & Gears Battle Boards will have their battle boards dispatched to them within 3-4.5 months after the end of the kickstarter. We will try and get this down to 2.5-3 months. The rest of our awesome backers after the initial 1400 kickstarter backers will get their battle boards on the 5 month from the end of the Kickstater and we will try to get that down to 4 months if we can. We aim to insure you do not have to so long for your Games & Gears Battle Boards. Good price, good quality and deliver on time is our creed and we stand by it. . As soon as we have more news on the specific Kickstarter launch date we will let you know. We are working night and day to bring it about and are equally excited to see this kickstarter launch. Thank you ever so much for your endearing support."

good work guys, you guys must work bloody hard for a turn around like that. You did do it with your brushes. Can't wait!

This is one thing I think many kickstarters miss out on, staggering releases in response to an increase in orders (or stretch goals received). Nice to see some forward thinking.

Are there any pics of the other board types (hellscape in particular) out there, preferrable not on facebook lol?.

Hellscape pictures to be released we hope within the next ten days or sooner, rest to follow very shortly after that , will be posted here ;p.and yes you are correct.

Also we will do some raw videos on them too. We are just doing some videos on our other products and getting them finished first.

Press Release: Games & Gears announce Ichiban Studios (Japan) will be providing the Games & Gears Pro Painted Battle Board Reward Limited to 13 Rewards only for their Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter.

LONDON, United Kingdom, September 5, 2013 - Games & Gears has announced a professionally painted version of their Games & Gears Battle Boards painted by the world renown Ichiban Studios for their upcoming Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter.

Ichiban Games & Gears Pro Painted Limited Battle Board Reward. Ichiban Studio have been very busy painting with their Games & Gears Pro Studio & Master Hybrid brushes and cannot wait to bring your Games & Gears Battle Boards to another level. This kickstarter reward is limited to 13 rewards only. The Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter is aimed to be launched in September 2013. Price of Reward Level TBC.

Statement from Games & Gears very own Creative Gamer:

“This is just the beginning of something awesome. Ichiban Studio absolute dedication to discipline to miniature painting will take the Games & Gears Battle Boards to another level. Going to get an Ichiban StudioGames & Gears Pro painted battle board myself!”

Games & Gears LLP is a producer of innovative high end designs & products for a range of niche and FMCG markets. Products include Games & Gears Gaming Boards, the Pro Studio Line, Masters Hybrid Series & many other licensed products. Contact Games & Gears at GamesNGears@aol.com.

Ichiban Studio is a professional painting and sculpting studio specializing in high end display pieces for miniature gamers!

Just catching up on the thread here.

Regarding the 3x3 issue, given that these boards are built to allow for overhang, should a 4x4 board work for any table that'd fit a 3x3 anyway? Just mark off 6" per side and there's a 3x3. Hell, it wouldn't even need to be equidistant, you could get some variety playing with different parts marked off. An actual 3x3 would certainly be preferable, but going 4x4 wouldn't exactly require rocket surgery to play on either. My friends and I did it all the time with larger tables set up for Malifaux than were necessary. Gives space for cards, spare models, drinks (if there's actual table beneath, of course), etc.

I have what I feel may be a stupid question, or at least one that has already been answered elsewhere, but I can't recall it being addressed; are the boards pre-painted? I recall some discussion about how the street lines would be set up for varying scales of miniatures, but wanted to double check if this was going to be done at production (with those so inclined adding further/greater detail themselves), or if the boards will arrive as otherwise blank slates in need of some paint and attention?

Also, any eta on the kickstarter, or just a Valve/Blizzard style "Soon(tm)"? :-D

@forar, great post!

Yes you can us Games & Gears 4x4 boards and mark it off for 3x3 play area. Down clubs when we play malifaux all boards are 4x4 and we use terrain or other bits to mark it off.

You can use the Games & Gears trays and put them on the Games & Gears battle boards and create a 3x3 frame. Or use traditional methods as players have done in the past/present.

So yes you can do all you suggested and the above.

Kickstarter is just shy off a few weeks. The only reason why we have not given a specific date yet, is because we need to insure that we are all ready (including ND & Hawk)so we are good to go. Just a few final bits and make sure the KS is super user friendly so everyone can pledge with ease and confidence. We hope to give a specific date for the KS in September Shortly.

Any news on dates?

Nearly wet myself with excitement! Just finished reading the Dark Eldar novels and some other BL books. This is going to fit nicely with my Dark Eldar and Chaos Daemons.

From there FB page:













They have some description on them on their FB page https://www.facebook.com/GamesNGears

So digging this!