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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All,
Well.... here goes my first post and first project and blog on Dakka! Into the maelstrom! 
Not really following any kind of army or alleigance, i am just really interested in the whole story and tech surrounding the 40k universe. And as such, i am going to hopefully be looking to attempt a couple of scratchbuilds of my favoured models. I have been truely inspired by some of the work on this site and would just like to join in and try to emulate some of the amazing work on here!
I decided to have a go at scratchbuilding and what easier model to start with to cut my teeth than a Macharius Tank!  (  fool)
Got to admit this is by far and away my favourite model from the 40K Universe currently. The old WW! style track units with the 40K signature riveting and heavy armaments are a great mix IMHO and the Kreig Varient definetly follows those lines.
A little bit of fluff behind the concept i have in my head....
"We are upon Vraks at the height of the seige and the DKoK are pushing hard through one of the many desolate and wasted battlefields of the Van Meersland Wastes.
Leading the advance through a once inhabited area, the Macharius Tanks of the 143rd Division plough through ragged defenders on their way to the Capital City."
I planned to start the scratchbuild by preparing a simple 3d model to help me with dimentions and come up with a plan for the whole model. Using the drawings and dimentions in the Imperial Armour Book i set about starting the "simple model".
However... being a bit of a sucker for details and design i soon found myself adding more and more to the original model and before i knew it i was,
I have attached some pics of the WIP model so far.
I know theres not much scratchbuilding going on but i would love to hear back about your thoughts on the proportions of the tank and the overall look of the proposed model.
Thanks aguys and gals,
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Hi again all,
I have updated the model now to have the battle cannon and also additional fuel drums and some comms equipment.
Regimentsl markings have been added although i am not to sure of them.
All input or comment would be greatfully received!
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Post by: eclipseoto
Wow, that looks awesome! Knowing nothing about how you made it or how the parts are broken down, I'm curious if you could export it in an STL format for 3D printing? If you'd like I'd LOVE to prototype it for you!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
I have had a bit more time to really try and pull together the full detail of where i want this tank to go.
Before we start i have to admit. The camo is "Arctic Camo" i found on a feww search on google. So credits to the originator of the work.
i have also added some scale humans to the model to allow me to check the scaling. To be honest all i have had is a second hand copy of Imperial Armour "Seige of Vraks" and some images from google and photos on this site. I think the overall dimensions are looking about right.
I think it is starting to look good to be honest. I can see it rolling through a broken urban setting at the head of a DKoK column unleashing the emperors wrath upon the heathen!!
I am very near to finnishing with the model which i intent to add some dimensions too and then print off to use as a kind of templete for my actual model!
I am getting really excited about really getting into some physical building and can only hope to "attempt" to come close to some of the amazing works onthis site!
Cheers all, comments and constructive criticism are always welcome..
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Post by: MagosBiff90
HI all,
Appologies for my slow rate of posts........ work has been kicking my butt recently....
So the 3d model is completed as far as I want to take it and I should now be able to produce some pretty good templates to help me really get on and start this build.
I have been having a look through my Seige of Vraks "BIBLE" and looking at some dimentions for this beast.
I am looking to go for a 1/48th scale giving the following dimentions,
Overall Length = 230mm
Height = 110mm
Width = 145mm
I would love a little nudge to see if this is in the right kind of size area as the actual model. But i guess so long as it is looking in proportion and balanced, for my needs it will be fine. 
Coming from an architectural background i have had a lot of experience with foam board products and the like. However I am looking for some advice regarding the plasti card i see being used a lot here. It looks amazing and there seems to be a high quality of product around. I am especially liking the idea of nice sharp corners that you can acheive with the Plasti card. One real drawback I always find with foam board is the pain in the neck of creating "corners" by cutting a section out and then leaving a flap to create a clean corner.
Does anyone have a good UK based online site where i can purchase some? 
I have used Model Shop before for small plastic sections etc, so will have to give them another look.
Really looking forward to getting started here and having some good WIP pics for you all,
But untill then... another image of my 3d model.. this time with added rivets..... (I have fallen under their infectious spell) This will be the last one of the 3d model before the physical one... as i feel like i may have flogged the donkey here!
Cheers all,
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Post by: Sheep
Super impressive mate, one of the best designs in 40k, if you get this 3d printed it will be amazing.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey mate,
Thanks very much! And i totally agree..... IMHO one of the top 3 best 40k looking models.... along with the Malcador and the Crassus... IMHO... 
3d printing is certainly a nice idea.... i might have a look at that afterwards, but i really want to trry and fully scratchbuild this thing first.
Perhaps in a few weeks when i am killing myself building 100 peices of tank tread i will change my mind.... but right now thats where i am headed.
Looking to have my templets printed and cut this weekend and as soon as i get some plast card.... its a green light!
Thanks again,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey again all,
I have been having a think about the main armament I want for this Macharius. I have originally planned for the double battle cannon of the "base model" Macharius but as with all in 40K Bigger and more DAKKA is usually better. So I had a go at planning out a double Vanquisher Varient.
For me however it doesnt seem to sit quite as right as the battle cannon. I cant put my finger on it but i really prefer the short snouted battle cannon varient.... for looks anyway, and as i am planning on not hitting the table top battle field with this, the aesthetics are high on my list......
Any one have any thoughts... prefer it one way or the other?
This time... last 3d Model image i promice... before plasticard and glue! 
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Post by: Toastedandy
Are these done in Sketchup?
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Yes mate,
Nice easy way to construct a 3d model and gives out nice clear orthographic elevations to act as cutting templates et,
Ant its free.... cant complain there.....
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All,
I have been having a think about a couple of the comments here and in particular the 3D printing route?!
Just quickly i have had a look at a couple of sites here in the UK offering prototype and one off 3D printing services......
I cant imagine that Games Workshop / Forge World would be particulary happy about people rocking up and creating models from what essentially are their designs?!
Any one else come up against this issue or have any thoughts on it??
I am still commited to the hand build scheme.... but was just a thought..... 
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Post by: timthehierodule
If you have designed it yurself then i cant see a problem with it, unless you start selling them 'en mass'.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 timthehierodule wrote:If you have designed it yurself then i cant see a problem with it, unless you start selling them 'en mass'.
Yeh i guess you are right, hmmmmm interesting thought!
Really liking your DKoK Army by the way! Really impressive! I think by far and away the most atmpspheric faction in the 40K!
Thanks for your thoughts,
 
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Post by: MagosBiff90
HI All,
Quick note regarding Scaling of 40K models,
I have printed my templates and began work on the turret of my Macharius,
I am using a scale of 1:50 for the build. I also won a bid on Ebay for a goodie bag of about 120 bits and bobs from a variety of 40K Vehicles. Looking between the 2 the peices i have bought seem to be slightly too small for the 1:50.
Any thoughts? I have read somewhere that 1:48 is correct but that would make the templates even bigger!
Any help would really be appreciated!
Cheers Guys & Gals!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Finally some WIP Pics....
Made a start on the turret tonight. as i mentioned previously i was thinking it was looking to large in scale.. but in my new box of bits.. i have a nice cupola and a tank commander (body) so i added them mock up and actually it is looking really good IMHO!!
More to follow.... soon
Cheers All.
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Post by: Sheep
Tank commander goes through the coupla, not on top of it
Apart from that, it looks like a great start...not as easy as 3d printing it though
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Sheep wrote:Tank commander goes through the coupla, not on top of it
Apart from that, it looks like a great start...not as easy as 3d printing it though
Haha... thanks mate, yeh i realised that about the commander after i had taken the pictures! Noob error! 
I have added the ammo containers at the back of the turret now and starting to add eht armour plates and some little bits of detail!
Next after this i am going to have a look at a couple of ways of riveting! Had a look at a couple of sytles and techniques on the site here so got a couple of ideas!
Thanks for the input buddy!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi again all,
Slow but steady progress with the turret i think....
Added a few more details and all in all am pretty happy with the way it is looking!
Going to finnish the turret before moving onto the hull and then lastly the track units because i am still trying to figure our how to make the track links themselves......
Going to build up the cupola slightly before glueing it in place and want to get the gun "guard" and battle cannon structure sorted also. Then the rivets...........
Any and all comments will be appreciated......
I know the going here is painfully slow... but it is my first attempt!
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Post by: Desubot
Ooo i like where this is going.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey man! Thanks very much! ALways nice to hear a kind word! 
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Finally getting the turret to a stage where i am happy with it for now. Added the mantlet and also the start of the battle cannon structure. Added a couple of extra little details but i want to get heading on into the hull now so will leave as is for now.
Comments and critique welcome!
Cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All.....
Some updates,
I have started work now on the main body of the hull of the Macharius.
Pretty much finished the front hull gunners position and the drivers compartment.
Next up is the "over hull" sections with the track covers etc. I have added pics of the turret ontop of the hull for effect..... once the other hulll parts are added the turret wil be raised alightly and then once i figure out how i am going to build the battle cannons.
Let me know what you think folks!
"The emperor protects..... except when you put your Scalpol through your plasticard into your finger! "
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Post by: Senortaco
That's a very awesome looking hull!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Senortaco wrote:That's a very awesome looking hull!
Hey mate! Thanks very much!
Yeh i am happy where its heading! Next up is the track guards and angled sections of the upper hull!
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Post by: Big H
Nice build matey , I think its bob on , don't worry too much about the scale , GW never do !
I find anything from 1:43 to 1:50 is about right , even 1:35 for parts in some cases ( tools , muzzle brakes etc).
Why did you build it in plastic then add plates of card ?
Blood and Skulls on ebay do some nice resin parts , especially cannon types !
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Big H wrote:Nice build matey , I think its bob on , don't worry too much about the scale , GW never do !
I find anything from 1:43 to 1:50 is about right , even 1:35 for parts in some cases ( tools , muzzle brakes etc).
Why did you build it in plastic then add plates of card ?
Blood and Skulls on ebay do some nice resin parts , especially cannon types !
Hi Mate! Thanks for the advice! I will get on Blood & skulls and see whats on offer!
I built the plastic and then added the card as all i could get my hands on 0.5mm Plastic card. So i decided to build theunderlying model with the plastic and then add the 2mm card to it as armour plating to give it a thicker and sturdier look...... I am going to make a final decision on this when i get to the track units...... as i really want to see the depth and layers of details of the track unit build ups...
Thanks for the positive comments, and really like the look of your "Backwards Russ" haha.. original and looks great!
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Post by: Big H
I'd do that mate , I like his weapon and track options and makes scratch builds some much less irritating !
You must really have a ton of patience , I used to build from scratch when I was a kid but really can't be bothered now , except to convert existing kits , I find it so much easier particularly if you want 2 or 3.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Big H wrote:I'd do that mate , I like his weapon and track options and makes scratch builds some much less irritating !
You must really have a ton of patience , I used to build from scratch when I was a kid but really can't be bothered now , except to convert existing kits , I find it so much easier particularly if you want 2 or 3.
Haha, I guess so. Im not really going for a tabletop army, just want a couple of display pieces so I can afford to speand the time on it!
I am certainly going to have a purchace on a "couple" of weapon options from Blood & Skulls. But I have a plan for the tracks stolen from a project I saw on here "I think"
Thanks for the info.
Currently batling with the rest of the hull but will have updates tomorrow!
Cheers
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy all!
Bit more progress on the upper hull section but really come up against it with this section. Initially had the upper hull section to thin to fit over the lower hull section and this was causing some bowing and buckling on the track covers & rear sections.
Started a second version but then snapped 2 scalpol blades in a row and ran out of glue! It was a suare sign from the emperor to STOP!
I have added pics of the first failed version to see the scale and overall form of the tank so far. I have made the angled sections at the front of the upper hull symetrical for eaqse of construction.... but now i have figured thats a poor excuse so on the second option i am going back to the A-Symetrical design of the FW model.
Shopping list of scalpol blades glue & hexagonal plastruct tonight...... however my wife seems to think our first anniversary is more important than this construction so i wont be doing anything over this weekend!
Again, any and all comments would be appreciated!
Cheers,
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Post by: Senortaco
Great build so far, I am starting to see how this is gunna look like in the end.
Happy anniversary magos!! Hope you have a good one!!
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Senortaco wrote:Great build so far, I am starting to see how this is gunna look like in the end.
Happy anniversary magos!! Hope you have a good one!!
Hey man, thanks very much! Appreciate it!
And yes... I am starting to see the form this will take..... track units and treads....... some extra detailing.. armour plating and then rivets..... really enjoying it!
Got a second version of the upper hull done last night.... Pics to follow...
Thanks again!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy!
The upper hull section was really annoying me in its unfinnished and incorrect state...... so i woke up extra early this morning before work and then decided it would be good to sort it out!
I have used my second option of the A-symetrical front section and would love your opinions on it...... to be honest i am not to sure why it is shaped like it is... maybe just for aesthetics??
but anyway..... i like where it is heading and IMHO it is looking good!
As mentioned by BIG H i have had a look at Blood & Skulls shop on e-bay.... some amazing peices.... (have i seen a blog on this site by the creator?!?!)...... and i have decided that when pay dy rolls around i will be investing in some battle cannon and a nice engine unit from his site!
Anyway.... more pics and WIP.......
Comments please.....
Cheers,
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Post by: Senortaco
More work on the tank?? YES PLEASE!!!
I actually prefer the second front section, it kinda reminds me of a baneblade design with its turret pushed to one side.
Oh and...
MAGNETIZE THE MAIN TURRET!! So you can change between the different turrets
And I also noticed you placed some tools on the front of the tank. I would advise to move them to the stowage area of the tank
Anyway... I'm loving the progress on the tank!!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Senortaco wrote:More work on the tank?? YES PLEASE!!!
I actually prefer the second front section, it kinda reminds me of a baneblade design with its turret pushed to one side.
Oh and...
MAGNETIZE THE MAIN TURRET!! So you can change between the different turrets
And I also noticed you placed some tools on the front of the tank. I would advise to move them to the stowage area of the tank
Anyway... I'm loving the progress on the tank!!
Thanks mate, yeh I am really happy with the look of it. Definetly going to be magnetising the turret. Been thinking of doing a Vulcan varient turret anyway aswell as my battle canon model.
Yeh I did think the tools might move... but I kind of like them where they are. Planning a lot of little added details aswell... so still a long way to go! Thanks a lot for the comments mate! Glad ur enjoying it as I am really enjoying the build.
Thanks mate!
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Always a pleasure!
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Nice job! Do you have a super heavy tank, for scale shots?
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All,
Thanks for the comments again.... Jehan-reznor, sorry.... no other 40K models to scale against for the momment... so just take my word for it!
Working my way through extra details etc on the hull, engine covers, vents and crew access/escape hatches at the momment. Also need to finish off the nose section of the lower hull and get the details there finalised.
Update pics tonight
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Hey all.... Update pics.......
Not a whole lot going on but little bits to the upper hull...
Think i am going to leave it for now apart from the rear section and engine bay... so track units next....
Cheers all...
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Post by: Senortaco
That IS a pretty big tank! And that's without the track units too! And I can't place my mind on it but something's missing.....
Ah yes!!
Rivets!!!
Loving the paneling work on the tank too! Can't wait for the track units to appear!
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Post by: MajorStoffer
A scratchbuilt macharius? Now there's something I haven't seen before. It also looks completely freaking awesome.
I've always liked the Macharius, I'd like to get one eventually for my Korps, the only problem is rules wise they're decidedly mediocre. Make perfect sense in the fluff, look awesome, but they share the same curse of the Malcador of being an up-gunned Leman Russ for x2 the points.
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Post by: hk1x1
Thats a fantasic looking scratch build, cant wait to see it finished.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Senortaco wrote:That IS a pretty big tank! And that's without the track units too! And I can't place my mind on it but something's missing.....
Ah yes!!
Rivets!!!
Loving the paneling work on the tank too! Can't wait for the track units to appear!
MajorStoffer wrote:A scratchbuilt macharius? Now there's something I haven't seen before. It also looks completely freaking awesome.
I've always liked the Macharius, I'd like to get one eventually for my Korps, the only problem is rules wise they're decidedly mediocre. Make perfect sense in the fluff, look awesome, but they share the same curse of the Malcador of being an up-gunned Leman Russ for x2 the points.
hk1x1 wrote:Thats a fantasic looking scratch build, cant wait to see it finished.
Hey all.... thanks so much for the positive comments! Is really uplifting and great to know i am on the right track with this! I totally agree with Taco.... rivets are missing from this but i am currently trying to source some 1mm hexagonal plastruct to sort this!
MajorStoffer.... i have to agree.... the Malcador is another damn good looking tank..... i dont want to get ahead ofmyself as there is a lot of work to do on the Mach first... but i might go as far as saying i will be moving onto a Malcador after this one!!
hk1x1... thanks for the comments mate! I hope to keepthe momentum going..... as we speak am finishin up the track unit templates so i can get a start on these tonight! .......
Looking ahead..... cna any one reccomend a good undercoat/primer paint i could be using... i have a mixture of plastic... plasticard and also grey modeling card... so looking for something to cover them all..... my only concern being the edges of the grey modelling card sucking up the paint and balooning.....
Cheers Again guys!
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Ok folks.... lil bit of progress.... didnt have a lot of time so had a look at the weapon sponsons on each side of the track units.... pretty happy with where they are apart from the suport brace i have added in grey card ontop of each sponson..... will wait and see what it looks like when i have the track units made up...
Pics below.... comments as always welcome! Thanks all,
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I've used Krylon Matte Black as my primer ever since a discovered it; it adheres to anything (I've got plastic, resin and metal models), dries out reasonably thin so you don't lose detail, and is dirt cheap. It also dries rapidly and is an excellent subdued matte black if you intend on leaving any of the model black (my armour is a similar scheme to what you posted earlier, but with black as the dominant colour).
Wal-mart carries krylon, as do most hardware store, runs about $4.50 CDN per can, lasts a good long while.
I rather envy what you're doing here with plasticard though, as thinking about, in the end, your model will be much more durable and less prone to bending, warping or such than resin.
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Post by: Senortaco
Those are some pretty symmetrical looking sponons. Awesome plasticard skills!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Thanks again guys!
MajorStoffer.... cheers buddy... will have a look out for that Krylon Primer.... still got a little time before i need it so can shop around....
As i am stuck at work today i think i will have a look at a couple of track options and try to resist the temptation to spend all of my money on parts from "Blood & Skulls"...
cheers again guys...
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All!!
Appologies for the really slow updates but I had totally forgotten i was booked away on holiday for 2 weeks!!
After just arriving back a few days i have managed to sneak some time for an update on the Mach!
Also received a bag of bits and bobs from another lot i won on E-Bay before i left on holiday!
Only a couple of pics for now...... but more to come soon!
Any input is always welcome!!
Cheers All!
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Post by: Senortaco
Progress! More progress please!
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Hey all!
Again..... a long slow process.... but have finally got some time away from work to be able to put some time in on the Mach.
track units are now built..... a little bit of filling to be done but on the whole i am really happy with them. I have added some of the main detail to the right unit but as you will see theres a lot still to be done.
It is great to see the while size of the tank coming together and i have to say... IMHO i think it looks pretty sweet!! But for sure it is suer heavy..... its huge!!
Run out of suerglue at the minute so when i get resuplied i will be adding the remaining details and then having a go at the tracks themselves...... i have seen a couple of ideas i am going to have a crack at!
I hope its recieved well.... but please... all and any comments are welcome.
Also... at the end... i have added a pic of my "bijoux" work station where i have been creating this!
Thanks all......
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, Meant to say, I am currently coming up with a 3d design for the alternate "Vulkan" turret.
Going to get this first version finished first though before getting on with that... Automatically Appended Next Post: Forgot to mention earlier,
Once all the detailing is done and the model is complete i am going to try and have a first attempt at a paint job.
The fact i am rough edged card and plasticard i am sure means i am going to need to use a decent "sealant" paint and a primer......
I got recommended one in aprevious post (i cant remember offhand) But can anyone recomend a good primer in the UK?!
I heard somewhere that even a Hallfords Fine Car Primer Spray can work well?
Any thoughts would be great.
Cheers,
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Post by: Senortaco
Now that's one swell tank you have there!
I would say it's only missing the rivets and it's all ready for priming.
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Sweet
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Hey all,
Just a quick update as i have a lot of track units to cut and glue! ( as you will see from the pics)
Was going to go all fancy and get some plastruct sections to use for the tracks but i decided just to go for a basic plasti card base with grey card "grip" for the tracks. The first pic shows the 2 final ideas i had but i settled on the second option because IMHO it is simple and robust looking and pretty fitting with the tank,
Really want to get atleast one side tracked fully today.
Also toying with the idea of adding track guards along the top of each side....... any thoughts? I might try them as an option and see how they look.... anyways..
thanks again all.... heres the pics.....
PS.... the last pic is an image of a part i found in one of my Ebay goodie bags.... can anyone identify it?? i have about 3 or 4 of them and would love to knoe what they were so i could look to use them perhaps..... cheers.....
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Well well..... 2 updates in one night.... i dont know whats got into me....
Run out of another tube ofsuperglue so thats about a good time to call it a night... most of one side of track done.
Really like the extra texture and detail it has added allready and really want to push on and get the other side done!
Also i have added a shot of the Mach beside the ruler to give you an idea of Scale.....
As always.... comments and critique are welcome.....
Cheers, Automatically Appended Next Post: forgot to say..... Senortaco...... riveting is on the agenda next along with an overdue visit to Blood & skulls for some heavy weaponry. Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way.... incase its not clear.... we are at about 8.5 inches overall from the back of the upper hull to front of the tracks.
Cheers
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Post by: Senortaco
I actually preferred the first option for the tracks but I agree with you the second option , scratchbuilding tracks can be very disheartening. No pressure though.
The track guards sound good to me!
I have no idea what the mystery item is. Maybe an exhaust pipe?
Oohhhhh! BLOOD AND SKULLZ. They do have pretty awesome cannons there.
Don't forget to magnetize the cannon too.
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Hey again!
Thanks senortaco for the comments! Got a day off of work today so going to try and get the tracks done... this is my mission!
Will definetly give the magnets a go for the barrels...
Hopefully a fully Tracked Macharius to show pics of tonight....... 
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Post by: silveroxide
Great work on the design and on the build. I just looked in on your build and I am always happy to see another scratch builder in the nest. If I had started to look earlier on your build, I would have referred you to my baneblade for the track build. There is another disigner out there who has done variants of the Macharius in the approximate GW scale. The macharius is on my build list and if you look at my build threads I mostly make my armor out of cardstock. I laminate the card to styrene thickness and then treat the paper parts like sheet styrene. My cardtock models are very sturdy, even though they are made from paper. I recommend to check out this site http://www.zealot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170912 for more Warhammer armor. You will have to join, make an itroduction and read the rules. Keep up the great work and hope to see more of your designs and build projects. Enjoy and see ou around the forum. I
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Post by: Madocyw
The mystery pieces is the backside of a Space Marine vehicle spotlight. There is normally a front side to it that is the light lens and cover.
Great work so far.
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Madocyw...... AH HA!!! thanks for identifying that!! I went through my bitz box and ends up... i have 4 of them! complete with the light lens and covers.
Thanks all again for the possitive comments! Although i have a confession... i made a huge faux pas with the tracks.... but think i might have gotten away with it! once completely done i dont think it will be too visable....
After my mistake i cannot face anymore track cutting!! haha... so here is a pic of where i have ended the night..... not a huge diference from yesterday... but another 50 sections of track done and added!
Cheers again all! The build rumbles on......
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All,
I just thought i would add a little comment. I have managed to source some scaled rivets from www.antenocitisworkshop.com. Their selection of parts sees amazing and the girl on the phone was really helpful! they are due for arival tomorrow 10/10 so i cant wait to see what they are like and then getting stuck into some serious riveting!!
More updates soon! Track parts finished just need to add detail to the left side panels and sponsons.... and then riveting.... that only leaves me with a little decision to make on what canon to look for from Blood & Skulls... and then an engine unit!
There might be a small glimer of light at the end of the tunnel........
Cheers,
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Ahoy all!!
EXCITING TIMES...... I HAVE RIVETS!!!! Got to say on this note....... www.ANTENOCITISWORKSHOP.COM .... great service... and awesome choice of parts!
I figured i had saved a lot of money so far in the build so i pushed the boat out a little for these...... Round sections with square bolt heads.... they are lovely!
but i wasnt quite expecting them to be so small ( stupid thing to say i know)
Any way... some pics... as i am at work... and then this evening i am aiming to get the turret rivetted!!
Cheers,
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Post by: Senortaco
Sorry for the lack of comments lately magos
Anyways
Ha,rivets with even tinier detail on them
I imagine that would be a royal pain to do for the whole tank but it does help the tank look overall better.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Howdy all!!
Again... slow progress.... work is again getting between me and my Macharius!!  who needs a job anyway!!
Just a quick verbal update..... i am going back and ammending the tracks as in the end the guilt of making the mistake and not rectifying it was haunting my dreams! so my aim is tonight, to have both track units again finnished and add the sponson to the far side.
After that i have a little bit of work to do to the front lower section of the hull and the underside...
Senortaco.... you are correct... those little rivets are an absolute pain to work with..... i only cut 2 out ot have a look at and immediately dropped them on the floor!!
but i aim to get the turret done as i think the effort will be really worth it!
Also this weekend i am going out to get some nice sprays for the rusted undercoat and some paints for the camo job. I have seen a couple of amazing worn and weathering techniques on this site and hope to replecate something like a mid campaign worn battle tank! will ofcourse experiement with some old pieces of armur plate and card to find a technique thats going to work!
needless to say i am itching to get out of the office today and back to work!! haha!
Updates later....
cheers guys....
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Hey all!
FINALLY.... the beast is tracked!! As you will see from the first pics... I had a bit of an issue taking off the erroneous tracks and actually there were a couple on the right side that would have taken the whole unit apart! so they are to be left as running repairs and damaged track units sustained in battle!
Having the tracks added has really added some bulk to the whole tank, there is a real feeling of mass there now! i have to admit... i am very happy with the way it is going!
The rivets I bought are proving VERY problematic! Maybe a bit to adventurous for a first timer!! haha! But atleast i have them here for when i feel more confident with them.
Last point before pics.... i have an order sitting ready to go to Blood and Skulls... one engine unit... Double Widow Maker Canon.... and a large Turret mounting Plate! Really think they will add a huge amount to the tank! The parts themselves look of real quality so i cant wait to get the order through. I think the widow makers simple barrel design will really compliment the tank.
I would love to hear your thoughts! Also, getting some primer and colours this weekend to begin testing the camo and weathering technique.....
Cheers guys...
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Post by: DiDDe
This build looks terrific! great job on this one. keep it up. i'm gonna stick around here for sure!
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Post by: Camkierhi
This is looking brilliant sir. Really fine work. Great attention to detail.
Subbed.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Thanks guys!! Really awesome to get some feedback!
Next up tonight is going to be finishing of the detailing on the hull... Lower section and the jointing between the hull and track units! Going to try and use the Land Raider Spot lights somehwere also. But not going to locate them in the typical spot...... i always thought it looks like the front stubber gunner would just shoot through the spot lights........
so going to get a little creative with them and find another spot..... however i will post pics as i dont want the hull to look to busy...... am going for a kind of mid campaign tank so nothing to busy and not covered with components just because i have them.......
Thanks again guys! Really means a lot!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Hey, this a great build, really nice. I have friends who swear by Halfords primer, I really should try it as my bro-in-law works for them! Re: rivets - when I scratch-built my mars-pattern baneblade, I added plates of very thin styrene and tapped a blunted nail on the reverse to rivet:
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Post by: chilledmonkeybrains
Great work, Magos Biff! I can certainly appreciate the patience required on a build like this!
Looking forward to seeing the finished article...
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Post by: LuckyCraig
Great effort, looks fantastic so far. Will look forward to seeing the final piece.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 inmygravenimage wrote:Hey, this a great build, really nice. I have friends who swear by Halfords primer, I really should try it as my bro-in-law works for them! Re: rivets - when I scratch-built my mars-pattern baneblade, I added plates of very thin styrene and tapped a blunted nail on the reverse to rivet:
Cheers again guys for the comments!! inmygravnimage thanks for the hints.... i will head to halfords this weekend!
Love the Baneblade! Looks awesome.... I thought the Mach was large!!
Really nice looking rivets too..... will have to give it a try... but not on this one i dont think... haha...... will get my first done and finished and then plan the rivets into my next project!
Thanks again guys! great to know your enjoying it!
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Post by: dsteingass
This is an amazing build! Really impressive! The Eyes of the League are now upon you! Prepare thy Thread!
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Post by: Galorn
Excellent job so far. I've been lurking. But hadn't posted before as I had nothing to add.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All.......
Batoning down the hatches and preparing to repel boarders!!
Thanks all for the great comments! Really spurring me on!
Full day in the office today so i started wondering about the paint scheme i am going to implement on the Mach. I am Still pretty keen on a Vraks theme.... chem wastes / urban camo and grey dusty colours highlighted with some orange Chem rust and a lot of battle weathering...... Really want to inject some real personality into this..... but... not getting ahead of myself i have never painted (or built) one of these models since i was about 5...... a freakishly long time ago!!!
Anyway, i have had a little look back at my 3D model and had a couple of goes with Camo.
Any thoughts on which is a prefered option??
I have also had my nose deep in some tutorials about salt weathering and other tasty looking effects!
I have added some of the images down below..... please note that i found the camo paterns online... so all rights to the original creaters.......
Getting ahead of myself a little i know.... still got to finnish the main tank and also get it primed! This weekend!!!
Oh...... Also.... in my already busy head..... i am REALLY concidering adding a Vulkan Turret.......
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Well, I'm all over Urban Camos usually, but in this case I think B. Does depend on where you see your IG going, though.
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Hey all!
inmygravenimage thanks for the feedback mate! I am definetly going to go with a traditional camo pattern.... but thinking of urban colourings.... if that makes any sense.. i want a nicely weathered and rusted look to parts of the tank and so a greyish urban colour i think would set off the oranges and reds of the rust really well...... but its all still up in the air at the momment.
Didnt get a huge amount of time tonight to do anything.... but i did manage to have a look at the engine covers and mountings at the back end of the tank.... an area that up until now has been a bit forgotten about! I have added pics of this... Not 100% sold on the hatched cover..... but i think it will do the trick..... maybe in the future a little bit of scale mesh might replace it.......
As always.... comments and critique are always welcome!!
Cheers all,
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Post by: Senortaco
B, becoz it's digital
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Post by: DiDDe
I'm voting for option A and mix that with option C
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Thanks guys!
DiDDe i think i agree with you!
Stuck at work again and my brain is ticking over.... Decided i am going to start with a "Halfords" Grey Primer... then start to build from there!
Still got a little bit of time as payday and my order to Blood & Skulls isnt untill next week.... so depending on postage and pachaging.... might still be a couple of weeks.... but thats pleanty of time for me to 100% nail the details......
Still swithering about riveting this....... I have ordered one of the revolving adjustable size leather hole punch things from ebay.... £2.55 so thought i would give it a go.... if i can get nice flat circles at a small enough size i might take it on!
Whats the thoughts? I think actually the lines are looking prety clean just now and actually looks just like flat armour plate..... might Rivets be a little too much..... ???
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Post by: Senortaco
Use the rivets. It will really make your tank much better than without
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Rivet it! Rivet it now!
I used a hole punch for larger circles; erithromycin swears by them for rivets. At the end of the day, it's part of the grimdark aesthetic.
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Post by: dsteingass
I haven't even tried Grandt line rivets yet, but I've always wanted to.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Well.... that was pretty resounding!!
And seeing as i am going to have the time for it...... I will state here and now.... that the Mach will indeed be rivetted to the MAX!!! (all being well with my new hole punch)
inmygravenimage I have tried using a regular hole punch on the plasticard.... and find it bends it horribly in the middle..... perhaps i should look to use just regular card?
And i agree.... I LOVE the look of WW1 Tanks and the whole riveting aesthetic of 40K and the Macharius in particular was what has drawn me to do this model! Done deal!
Riveted she shall be!!
Just very Randomly.... on the subject of he/she tanks and names etc...... how about
"Stimme des Kaiser" Voice of the Emperor??
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Post by: Littletower
Beautiful build so far. I've following, but hadn't commented yet as couldnt´ find anything to add to an excellent work.
Do add the rivets, they go great with the aesthetics of the tank and provide great detail to work the paint effects - rust and weathering especially - around.
I've found the revolving leather punch a very useful tool for mass producing large numbers of even rivets, hope it works out for you as well.
As for the paint, I'd go with option A + C, a weathered and battle-damaged urban camo look.
Keep it coming
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All..... Again cheers... the comments are awesome and definetly keeping the entheusiasm going!!
Well.. my hole puncher was waiting for me when i got home!
So.... I have taken the plunge... and really gone for it on the turret..... Its now fully riveted!
Would love some feedback on it! IMHO am really loving it!
Thats all for tonight as it is time for a bit of respite and BF3!! 
Cheers again guys!! Really appreciate all the comments.. and i have to say as long as there are all the amazing and awesome projects on here to look up, there is no shortage of inspiration!
Hit up some comments guys....
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Post by: Littletower
Glad you went with the rivets
Just a thought, though: those rivets in the turret might look a bit too big? What size are they really (I might be judging sizes wrong anyway from the pics). For me, between .8 and 1.5 mm roundlets do the trick. My two cents anyway, it is your build and looks great anyway.
Cheers.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Littletower wrote:Glad you went with the rivets
Just a thought, though: those rivets in the turret might look a bit too big? What size are they really (I might be judging sizes wrong anyway from the pics). For me, between .8 and 1.5 mm roundlets do the trick. My two cents anyway, it is your build and looks great anyway.
Cheers.
Hey Littletower You are right i think... when i first put them onto the turret i thought i had made a bit of a mistake ... but as i look at it more and got the upper hull rivetted i think it is actually looking good! The size is the smallest setting on my hole punch.... around 3mm i think.... I realise that at a scale of 1/50 this is going to be 150mm.... but feel it really adds a bit of texture!
Like i mentioned i have rivetted the upper hull now...... slow going as am not getting much time.... but as always would appreciate any comments..... positive or negative....... after all this is my first go so i will learn (and have been learning) every step!
cheers guys!!
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Very quick post..... got one of the track units rivetted....
Comments and critiques welcome as always....
Cheers All!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Looking brilliant mate. As to the size of the rivets. Different sizes for different jobs. Looks great to me. But I am not an Imperial expert.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Camkierhi wrote:Looking brilliant mate. As to the size of the rivets. Different sizes for different jobs. Looks great to me. But I am not an Imperial expert.
Hey mate! thanks again! Aiming to get the other track unit rivetted tonight and then its just the lower hull and engine area to finnish off before priming........
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Post by: rustbucket
You've done a helluva great job on scratch building this beast! Keep up the great work As for your rivets and the time constraints, I would suggest using cup cake sprinkles (The ball form). That's what I use on my stuff when I want to show a nice round head rivet. I just mark out my rivet spacing, use my dremel with a small drill bit to make a shallow hole, drop a bit of super glue in the hole and stick a ball in. Whaola! Round head rivets... May work out for you? Give it a try, b/c for 99c for a container you can't beat it.
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Post by: OneManNoodles
I've been watching this since you started. I'm really impressed if this is your first build. The macharius is not an easy design to emulate.
The rivets look fine, if you want to do smaller ones use slices of plastic rod or as rustbucket suggests.
keep up the great work
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey guys!
Thanks again for the comments! Not able to work on the tank for the next night or 2 but will get it updated and done as soon as i can!
OneManNoodles[/user] Thanks mate! and yes indeed this is my first 40K model... i do little bits and bobs with model making at work but nothing this complicated and scale! Thanks for the comments! and i totally agree,.. i could have picked an easier project for my first one!
rustbucket haha sounds like a great idea..... once i have this beast out of the way i am going to have a look at a couple of diferent rivet options.... just a thought... but when i have been using my rivet punch... sometimes when the punch only dents the surface of the card it gives a really cool "recessed" rivet effect..... ofcourse this would need to be done on the pieces before they are stuck together..... just an idea.....
Thanks again all!!
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Post by: dsteingass
Amazing work! I agree, I use 1mm plastic rods, I tape 4-6 rod lengths, about 2-3 inches long and sliced with a Chopper II. I tried the cheap Micro-Mark substitute, the Chop-it, and it worked for about 6 months, but It was an inferior tool and wore out on me. Another idea though, why not drill holes in the bigger slice rivets, and then use your Grandt Line rivets in those holes? The sliced rivets will look like nuts or washers?
These are crude hex-rod bolts from some time ago, but your Grandt Lines would look eve better.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey guys! Thanks again for all the comments!! And will DEFFO be using some of these comments and tips for my next build!
I think.... apart from the back engine section... and the lack of main guns..... its finished!
I am going to get the beast primed this weekend and will get on with the paint job as i am waiting for the canon to arive!
Last pics before painting...... Hope you guys like it... IMHO its looking pretty beastly!!
Cheers guys! and really.. thanks again for all the tips.. they wont fall on deaf ears!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Looks really nice man! Did you use plans in the construction or do it by eye?
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Post by: Camkierhi
Love it. Looking great.
What are you planning for exhausts?
Really great work dude.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi mate! Cheers & Thanks!
I actually started this whole thing with a 3d model i created from scratch using a computer program called "Sketchup" Its a free design tool i use at work and also is awesome for quick and effective 3d ideas and models. If you look right back at the begining of this story you will see the base model i used.... i just designed it using the main dimensions from the Imperial Armour Books.
Also... just a side note.... i came to log on here again and saw my blog is on the main home page! haha i nearly died!!  haha!!
Cheers again, Automatically Appended Next Post: Camkierhi wrote:Love it. Looking great.
What are you planning for exhausts?
Really great work dude.
Hey buddy! Thanks again! Really appreciate it... Well.. i am ordering main cannon "Double WidowMakers from Blood and Skulls" and they do a pretty awesome looking engine exhaust system aswell.... but also i have had my eye on a set of 4 Leman Russ Tank Exhausts i might have to purchace from good old ebay....
I think i am leaning towards the Leman Russ exhausts only because i like the simple look of them and think they will match the design better.....
Cheers again mate..... will get a lick of paint on it and then update!
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 MagosBiff90 wrote: Hi again all,
Slow but steady progress with the turret i think....
Added a few more details and all in all am pretty happy with the way it is looking!
Going to finnish the turret before moving onto the hull and then lastly the track units because i am still trying to figure our how to make the track links themselves......
Going to build up the cupola slightly before glueing it in place and want to get the gun "guard" and battle cannon structure sorted also. Then the rivets...........
Any and all comments will be appreciated......
I know the going here is painfully slow... but it is my first attempt!
Man, this is looking great! Can't wait to see the final product!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey there mr_bruno
Stanks for looking in!
Cant wait to get a coatof primer on this... should really tie it all together!
Cheers
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Post by: djz05
Great job!
Cant wait for the finished project
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Post by: Ruglud
Somewhat late to the party, but what an excellent scratchbuild... The detailing is wonderful and rivets look great to me (it's all about the rivets on here...)
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Post by: MagosBiff90
djz05 wrote:Great job!
Cant wait for the finished project
Ruglud wrote:Somewhat late to the party, but what an excellent scratchbuild... The detailing is wonderful and rivets look great to me (it's all about the rivets on here...)
djz05 wrote:Great job!
Cant wait for the finished project
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the feedback! And Ruglud thanks... am really loving the way it is looking..
Well as promised today is pay day.... and so.... I have had a little recon into ebay and made a couple of little purchases to really finish it off!
Blood and Skulls = WidowMaker Double Canon & A turret Mounting plate....
The Bits Store = 2X Leman Russ Exhausts & Baneblade front Hull armour section to adapt and use on the front end.
IMHO these will finish it off....
Anyway.... after work today its a trip to Halfords for some primer....
Cheers Guys,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey all.....
Exhausts and Front hull section recieved today from ebay..... updates to come tonight.....
Plus..... have been sitting at work planning my next step...... I have had confirmation that the canon and hull mounting plate will be shipping from the US on Thursday.... so until then i am going to keep myself busy with the creation of the following........ Added the Vulcan turret to my 3d Model.... ging to switch it to templates for construction!!
Cheers Guys,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey everyone!
Ok... it is done!! .... apart from the main guns.....(pretty major part of a battletank)... the rest is finished....
Delt with the engine section at the rear tonight... and was looking to add some more detail to the hull but decided against it as IMHO its lookin pretty good!
No More tinkering.... It is time to get primed and then weathered and painted..... the crowning glory being the 2 battle canon i cant wait to get my hands on!
Without further ado..... pics....
Comments please guys!
one final point.... have finished the design for the Vulkan varient turret.... so going to be constructing that "after" priming the main tank and turret... hopefully get it done before the guns arive!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Looks very cool. One niggle is there's a blank space at the back left of the exhausts which could use a wee hatch maybe?
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Post by: Camkierhi
Outstanding work. Looking brilliant.
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Post by: Big Mek Gobsmasha
Wow, outstanding first scratchbuild!
inmygravenimage wrote:Looks very cool. One niggle is there's a blank space at the back left of the exhausts which could use a wee hatch maybe?
I think he said he had a engine block coming in his Blood and Skulls order, perhaps that is where it's going to go
Cheers
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Big Mek Gobsmasha wrote:Wow, outstanding first scratchbuild!
inmygravenimage wrote:Looks very cool. One niggle is there's a blank space at the back left of the exhausts which could use a wee hatch maybe?
I think he said he had a engine block coming in his Blood and Skulls order, perhaps that is where it's going to go
Cheers
Hey guys!! again... thanks for the comments! Blown away! Big Mek Gobsmasha thanks for looking in!
I did originally have an engine block penned in for Blood & Skulls... but didnt go for it in the end. So maybe a vent of some kind or a hatch..... now you mention it the blank spot is really annoying!
Will sort it this weekend..... and also get a first primer coat on it... ( i know i know.... i keep saying it....)
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Hey all,
Well... due to the good old Scotish weather.... the painting and priming has to have been put on hold.....
But.... i have made a start on the Vulkan turret..... One of the Mega Bolter covers and the main turret unit...... I have added another cupola and commander for the pics.....
Due to the massive fire rate of the rotary bolters.. I am going to try and concoct some extra ammo storage on the turret... or some kind of ammo feed system...... i will see how it works out!
Also.. for the painting..... i am going to use a mix of Orange/Red/ burnt Orange undercoating.... in patches with some grey/silver. Then go into some salt weathering.... and really try and get the "mid campaign" effect i am looking for. With the final overcoat of grey and Dark Grey in a camo pattern..... hopefully this will give a really strong contrast and make the undercoat of "rust" and base metal shine though! .....
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Post by: BrotherOfBone
Fan.
Tastic.
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Hey mate!! Thanks a lot for the comments! I hope to have the ammo storage and second Vulkan cover done tomorrow.... then its into the details!
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Post by: Ruglud
I really like the mix of materials in your build, something that I also do and works a treat
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Ruglud wrote:I really like the mix of materials in your build, something that I also do and works a treat
Hey Ruglud thanks mate, tbh the mix of marerials started out as whatever I had handy to work with!
But as it has progressed I am finding that the mix of rextures and materials is pretty cool!
Thanks mate, glad your enjoying it!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Looking great, the turret looks sweet, can't wait to see the turret finished, your art work for it looks exciting, it will look awesome built.
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Post by: Kelly502
Great work! I love it!
Could we get some more knee shots?
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Hey all......
Well.. the weather has been relentless.. so no paint as yet.. but have managed to get the vulkan covers done and added a little bit f detail..... started the ammo hopper aswell......
Little update.... but i think the proportions are looking good....
Hope you all like it...
Cheers.....
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Looking very very neat. And stop whining about the weather, it was only -3 this morning in Glasgow
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Post by: Camkierhi
I do really like the turrets.
I am 100 miles north of you, you want to try my world. LOL.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Camkierhi wrote:I do really like the turrets.
I am 100 miles north of you, you want to try my world. LOL.
inmygravenimage wrote:Looking very very neat. And stop whining about the weather, it was only -3 this morning in Glasgow
Haha..... cheers guys! Camheirhi I remember well the winters of the north! Used to go to Uni in the Granite City! More like Hoth on a bad day!!
inmygravenimage your right.... i can feel the Commissar's beady eye on me and his hand reaching for his pistol at my lack of commitment! lol!
Recieved some more goodies in the post from e-bay today..... for my next project...... but not going to go into too much detail until the Mach is done!
Cheers guys!
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Post by: LazzurusMan
Looking great so far Magos, and your scratch build skills are wonderful! Can't wait to see it when she's all done and fully painted!
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Post by: Radu Lykan
Good to see this nearing completion, I do like the macharius
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Post by: dsteingass
ABsolutely amazing looking!
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LazzurusMan wrote:Looking great so far Magos, and your scratch build skills are wonderful! Can't wait to see it when she's all done and fully painted!
Radu Lykan wrote:Good to see this nearing completion, I do like the macharius
dsteingass wrote:ABsolutely amazing looking!
Hey all... Thanks so much! Really great to see the comments! Its keeping me going.... as unfortunately i am getting barely any time to get any serious time into this project.
But moaning and complaining aside..... i have got a bit of work on the Vulcan turret done.... Needs some rivets and ofcourse the actual guns themselves and i think its nearly done!
Cheers guys and thanks for the patience!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Very nice detailing going on there.
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Hey mate! Thanks very much.... plan is next to really get stuck into the riviting! Still got a couple of weeks for my main guns... so got some time to really finish the details....... Thanks for looking in again mate! Appreciate it!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I love the plates that are going over the big guns!
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Post by: rustbucket
Loving the progress you're making! Looks awesome!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
inmygravenimage wrote:I love the plates that are going over the big guns!
rustbucket wrote:Loving the progress you're making! Looks awesome!
Hey all..... some painfuly slow progress again.... the forge furnaces are not smelting fast enough!!
Think i need a little bit of advice...... just not 100% about the length of the Vulcan barrels.... whats the impression? Maybe a little bit too long? With the barrels and internal structure still to ba added it dont want them looking to long....
But happy with the look of the details overall!
Cheers all!
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Maybe a little bit long. It's not by much, but I am imagining the barrels sticking out and the contours of the vehicle. Just seems maybe a bit long. Looking brilliant though.
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Camkierhi wrote:Maybe a little bit long. It's not by much, but I am imagining the barrels sticking out and the contours of the vehicle. Just seems maybe a bit long. Looking brilliant though.
Hey guys! Finally..... Managed to get some time on the tank and have now finished (excluding the main guns in the post)
Thanks again for all the comments! Its awesome!
On final reflection.. apart from the vulcan barrels i think the second turret is looking good proportionally! was worried it was a little long... but this is a fearsome weapon so i thought a little outsizing is ok....
Cheers Guys! Automatically Appended Next Post: Camkierhi wrote:Maybe a little bit long. It's not by much, but I am imagining the barrels sticking out and the contours of the vehicle. Just seems maybe a bit long. Looking brilliant though.
Cheers Mate! Meant to add this to my previous post..... Your right about the barrels being a little too long but in this case i think its going to be fine! I will just aim to mount the vulcan turret slightly firther back than the original and it hink it should be fine!
Cheers again!!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Looking great, guns looking awesome.
Detailing really moving now, can't wait to see it primed, will look just like a bought one.
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[user]Camkierhi[user]
Cheers Mate! Really appreciate the comments.... main guns due here this week..... fingers crossed.. then priming! Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok..... so modeling aside, I am now really close to getting some paint on this bad boy! Being my first model / build and first paint job since i used to slop paint on my old Messerschmitt's about 15 years ago i want to have a little bit of an idea where i want it to go.......
Heres my initial Plan....... (possibly mentioned previously but in the forefront of my mind now)
I want to have a campaign beaten and bruised tank so for the primer coat i am going to use a couple of base primer sprays........ perhaps an oxide red/orange and a lighter orange.........
(Seal at this stage with a mat varnish!??!!?)
Next... add a layer of Salt weathering (been doing my research on the site here and youtube) with a mix of table salt and rock salt......
Over the top of this a coat of Panzer Grey Spray and then add the Camo pattern etc.
Remove the Salt weathering and add any scratches, dents etc......
(Seal Again)
Add decals (weathered) and then add some dirt and oil (marmite) to finnish off......
(Final Seal)
Job is a good one!!
Anyone spot any glaring errors or points i might be able to improve on??
Cheers Guys!
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Post by: Freytag93
Sounds like a great plan. I'm glad you decided to do the salt weathering. It is really simple and if done correctly looks amazing. I can't wait to see this monster painted!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Sounds good mucker!
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Post by: Cave_Dweller
That is looking really nice, very detailed work you're doing here.
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Post by: Camkierhi
Watching eagerly.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Freytag93 wrote:Sounds like a great plan. I'm glad you decided to do the salt weathering. It is really simple and if done correctly looks amazing. I can't wait to see this monster painted!
inmygravenimage wrote:Sounds good mucker!
Cave_Dweller wrote:That is looking really nice, very detailed work you're doing here.
Camkierhi wrote:Watching eagerly.
Thanks guys...... just cant wait for the Main Canon for turret 1 to arrive... and had a little thought about the muzzles of the vulcan for turret 2......... Painting/Priming this weekend for sure!!
The commisar demands it!!!
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Post by: hk1x1
Fantastic piece of work, very well done I look forward to seeing it finished.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 hk1x1 wrote:Fantastic piece of work, very well done I look forward to seeing it finished.
Thanks mate!
Ok guys...... here is a sneak peek..... even before the paint is on the Mach i am thinking to the next project..... certainly have the "scratch builder itch"!! Was a late night at work so thought i would get my 3d modeling hat on!
Without any further ado...... The Crassus Assault Carrier!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
wow... your work sports some very complicated shapes!...
and to see a massive troop transport... i always like and get attracted by bigger tanks...so this will be nice!!!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Viktor von Domm wrote:wow... your work sports some very complicated shapes!...
and to see a massive troop transport... i always like and get attracted by bigger tanks...so this will be nice!!!
Hey Viktor! Thanks for looking in! And thanks for the comments really appreciate it!
Yes i must say i am finding myself drawn towards the larger units also! Was planning on either a Centaur or Malcador for my next build..... but really think the Crassus is a fantastic looking model!
Not going to get too far ahead of myself...... got the paintwork on the Mach to do first! .......
Thanks again!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Hey, credit where credit is due
A malc would be a nice "lil" too
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Post by: MajorStoffer
One little correction on the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, is that's how you announce it.
It's very important you don't forget that, and if you wonder what I'm going on about, search the "manliest tank" thread, it was probably the most glorious thing on the internet I've ever seen.
Regardless, I'm looking forwards to seeing what other magic you can make from plasticard.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 MajorStoffer wrote:One little correction on the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, is that's how you announce it.
It's very important you don't forget that, and if you wonder what I'm going on about, search the "manliest tank" thread, it was probably the most glorious thing on the internet I've ever seen.
Regardless, I'm looking forwards to seeing what other magic you can make from plasticard.
HAHAHA!!! I stand corrected..... the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT! Gread thread!
Thanks again....buddy!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hopefully this Auto Apends to my last Post.....
Going to go a step further with the next project....... cheeky little interior fitout..... Still on the mechanicum serf's drawing slate for final detailing.....
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
So I gather you want to make the rear door fully functional?
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi Viktor,
Yes that is the plan!
I want to try and take little steps forward on each model so the next step will be internals and even a little hinge system for the rear door.... i hope!
I am thinking a couple of diferent sized plastruct hollow sections to allow the hinge?! Only time will tell!
Cheers Again,
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Very cool. Very very cool. Particularly excited by the prospect of interior detailing!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All,
Got my first look at the "Big C" tonight.... Managed to get the most of the hull laid out and glued...... Images are shown with the Mach tracks to get an idea of the scale....... think its an awesome model and great looking piece of kit.... just hoping do it justice...
Been working more on the 3d model to help me out with the internal planning and also.... went through my bits bag and pulled out a few pieces that may form part of a 3rd model......
Land Raider Upper Front Hull with a Vindicator Roof and Land Raider Engine Section....... VERY early stages... but am thinking along the lines of a Rhino/fast attack carrier.........
Let me know what you think..........
The Mach has NOT been forgotten........
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
interesting how quick it is already recognizable...
and that kitbash looks promising...
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Post by: Camkierhi
Actually really like the LAPC, Looks natural.
Love the kitbash, got a nice aggressive feel to it. Only thing, (that we can see is no problem for you) would be the tracks will have to be custom made. LR or Leman Russ would just not cut it.
Great work. Now quit stalling and get that Mach painted.....
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Viktor von Domm wrote:interesting how quick it is already recognizable...
and that kitbash looks promising...
Camkierhi wrote:Actually really like the LAPC, Looks natural.
Love the kitbash, got a nice aggressive feel to it. Only thing, (that we can see is no problem for you) would be the tracks will have to be custom made. LR or Leman Russ would just not cut it.
Great work. Now quit stalling and get that Mach painted.....
Hey guys...... I hear ya i hear ya!!! It WILL be painted soon i promice!! 
Camkierhi yeh i was thinking the same about the tracks for the FAV (fast assault vehicle) .... i have tried out a couple of really messy mockups in 3d to gauge what style i like........ Whats your thoughts? Any other ideas? Was wanting to keep it with in the Mach & Big C style of DKOK....... but think it is going to end up being something different.... definetly a Space Marine machine.....
Love to hear the thoughts and any ideas guys
Cheers,
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Post by: rustbucket
Can't wait to see that Macharius finished!! But even more excited to see your continued work on the Crassus! What program are you using to do your 3D layouts in? Would love to know the hull dimensions.
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Post by: Da krimson barun
Thats a awesome CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT and I think it will kill everything ever.Because its CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSUALT TRANSPORT.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
rustbucket wrote:Can't wait to see that Macharius finished!! But even more excited to see your continued work on the Crassus! What program are you using to do your 3D layouts in? Would love to know the hull dimensions.
Da krimson barun wrote:Thats a awesome CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT and I think it will kill everything ever.Because its CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSUALT TRANSPORT.
Hey guys! Thanks for looking in!
rustbucket I use Sketchup for all my 3d work and layouts etc....... FREE and simple to use...... I have added a pic of the rough dimensions of the "Big C" in Model space. I am working to a scale of 1/50..... so just divide those numbers by 50 and thats about the size of the hull i am building.... hope that helps!
Da krimson barun haha! i have seen where this comes from now! although i didnt know that the boogey man checks under his bed everynight for CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!! haha!
Cheers Guys,
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Post by: Camkierhi
Well as to the Assault tank, seems to me it could pass off as Shocktroop transport? Just a thought.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Camkierhi wrote:Well as to the Assault tank, seems to me it could pass off as Shocktroop transport? Just a thought.
I like your thinking mate! As usual i have had my head in the books and am thinking of a "Heresy" era Shock transport for a squad of Destroyer Marines....... (very specific i know) but i am thinking of a machine that is hard hitting and basic.... can take punnishment to allow deployment of the destroyers to wreak havoc on anyone unfortunately enough to be targeted...... Way ahead of now... but i a REALLY love the Heresy Era World Eaters colour scheme and insignias..... so i think thats the way we wil go..... heavily weathered and beaten...... haha... ..... ok... fantasy dream over.....
Cheers again....... "Big C" Updates tomorrow..... as am still at work tonight!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i have to ask one question mate...
when you start a project in 3d sketchup.... how does this positivly affect your work then in RL? what benefits do you have to invest all that time in comp graphics beforehand and how do you translate it then into plastic?...by the way... do you plan in 3D the materials thicknesses you use ?
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Post by: rustbucket
Thanks for those hull dimensions! I've used Sketch a few times at an old job but not to this extent! Wish my 3D skills were as good as yours!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Viktor von Domm wrote:i have to ask one question mate...
when you start a project in 3d sketchup.... how does this positivly affect your work then in RL? what benefits do you have to invest all that time in comp graphics beforehand and how do you translate it then into plastic?...by the way... do you plan in 3D the materials thicknesses you use ?
Hey Viktor......
No worries at all mate! To be honest i start with the 3d models just to get the idea in my head! Too be honest... i really enjoy 3d modeling aswell.. and will usually photoshop and get some images from the model in the end.. just something i enjoy doing! I agree that it might invest more time than needs be in the model but to be honest i am just really starting out and the time and effort factor doesnt really come into it... (because i enjoy the 4d and the physical build) ..... Another reason is that once the model is done in 3d.. i then break it apart and line up the faces and elements almost like 2d flat template..... print them out and hey presto you have some usable dimensions and templates to use on the build.
Ofcourse this is just for the major sections with the details and all the little extras being added after but i find it is a good start. I hope this answers some of your questions.. it just works for me i guess!
Cheers Viktor
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey guys,
Just a little update tonight... managed to sneak some time while "Im a Celebrity" was on!
Going to add grey card armour sectiond first and obviously a lot of other parts to add.. but managed to get a couple of little hatches / sensor mounts done.... got a free day on sunday so really going to get a fair ammount done i hope!
Not much to comment on but all are welcome!
Cheers all.....
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i´ve said it before... you sir have an amazing ability for complicated shapes...
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Post by: Da krimson barun
Camkierhi wrote:Well as to the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, seems to me it could pass off as Shocktroop transport? Just a thought.
fixed that for you.
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Post by: hk1x1
You might of only just started it, but it already looks great, and you've got some nice intricate geometry happening there.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 rustbucket wrote:Thanks for those hull dimensions! I've used Sketch a few times at an old job but not to this extent! Wish my 3D skills were as good as yours!
No Worries at all mate ! Yeh i use it pretty much daily for work so have had plenty of time to practice! ... to be honest i am not too sure on how close those dimensions are to the ForgeWorld Scale..... but hey.... i think it looks about right for me..... (I have seen some images on ForgeWorld where an infantryman's head only just makes it about a 3rd of the height of the hull... given an "average" person is around 1.8m high... that would be about 5.4 - 5.5M high. Mine as you will see is around 4 and a bit..... so not to far off...)
Cheers guys,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Evening Gents, Gals and Orcs.....
Bit of an update on the Big C! I have added the front armour and upper hull viewports! Added detail around the front gun ports and a couple of little sections to "close in" the drivers turret! Added a little storage shelf to the back of the drivers section also......
Love to hear some comments..... IMHO.... i really like how it is going...
Cheers All!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
oh wow!...i think we have here a ...wait for it...CRASS winner^^
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Haha! thanks Viktor! I think that is a compliment!  appreciate it.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
As intended
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Thanks Vik!
Trying to figure out the geometry for the troop transport section and the main hull at the momment...... as i mentioned i want to put some interior detailing on this with a working rear hatch.....
More updates soon..... 
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Post by: dsteingass
Excellent work! As for the hinge. I'd use plastic tubing for the female part, and metal rod (such as paperclip) for the male part of the hinge. If you go all plastic, a stray bit of glue or a coat of paint can shear the thing off when opening and closing it.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 dsteingass wrote:Excellent work! As for the hinge. I'd use plastic tubing for the female part, and metal rod (such as paperclip) for the male part of the hinge. If you go all plastic, a stray bit of glue or a coat of paint can shear the thing off when opening and closing it.
Thanks for the tip!! I was actually thinking of a whole plastic sections so this info is well recieved! got a little time before i reach the hind quarters.... but i will definetly think about it now to avoid issues then! Cheers!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy All!!
Managed an hour tonight to look at the troop compartment of the Big C!
Not stuck together yet but just looking at placement and proportion! IMHO i think its getting there!
Any comments would be great! Lots of detail to add to it to really bring it to life but i think its a good angle to start....
Cheers all!
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Interesting progress so far!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Looking epic as always! LMK if you want a haul of boxes, crates and other stowage for these bad boys.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
shasolenzabi wrote:Interesting progress so far!
inmygravenimage wrote:Looking epic as always! LMK if you want a haul of boxes, crates and other stowage for these bad boys.
Thanks guys! Really appreciate the feedback! Going to have a look at the internal hull section this weekend..... going to keep it pretty true to the original FW model and keep it pretty clean and simple but still bring out some if the structure etc...
Thanks again guys,
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Hi All.......
Just a small update tonight..... Added Extra Armour to the troop compartment section and made a little storage pod for the hull.... Not sure how it looks but added it to the pics....
Cheers all......
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Post by: Camkierhi
Looking great dude.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey bud, thanks mate! Appreciate it!
Started on the internals of the troop holding area tonight..... got the main geometry down and then staerted to add some structure...... nothing is glued down yet and am going to add a bit of thickness to the roof and also the walls... but the main part is there.....
The humble juice straw has, as it turns out, the ability to turn into piping and ducting.... haha... going to use a couple more along the walls and in the roof etc as i get there......
Cheers guys! ....
Oh..... also the first pic is my "work station" right now........ am hoping Santa might be good to me and give me some space for Xmas!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Well dude it's pretty amazing what you can do with a cereal box and a drinking straw.
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Post by: Ruglud
Excellent work, the interior is the nuts
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Camkierhi wrote:Well dude it's pretty amazing what you can do with a cereal box and a drinking straw.
Ruglud wrote:Excellent work, the interior is the nuts
Cheers lads! Always appreciated! Haha... and yes Camkeirhi ..... im always on the look out for homeware and mundane items to use! We are known to be thrifty afterall!
Ruglud Thanks again! ..... next challenge is the rear door/hatch and its geometry and workings........
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All!
Had a complete nightmare of a time recently trying to get anything done!! to be honest its more of a funding issue but i am hopeful there will be a reprive in the new year! NEED IT!
New years resolution is to get the proverbial "finger out" and get on!
Take care all and best wishes for the Festive Period and New Year!
Dont do anything i wouldnt do.....
Cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All!
Had a little time today back on the Mach!
Finally found parts for the Vulkan barrels when i was having a wander around Halfords...... their fittings and fixtures area is a real treasure trove... anyway..... i got some 3mm pipe fittings and cut them up and think they are pretty good scale wise!
Gone with a 5 barrel option and sat the pipe fitings on some small metal washers. Put the whole thing together and IMHO its good!
Thats all for just now...... back to work tomorrow but got a couple of days off to get more done this week i hope!
Also..... with my Battle Canons and Turret Plate from Blood & Skulls.... the first lot have been lost in the maelstrom of the US - UK postal network! Although.... i contacted Machinator and he was really cool and helpful and has dispatched a second lot which should be here soon! Got to admit... these things happen and it has in no way affected my thoughts about ordering with him again.... these things happen!
Comments and critique always welcome!
Cheers All!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
whoa....what a mindlbowing turret!....
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Post by: Camkierhi
It's looking good, nice work, I think the 5 barrels is good.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Viktor von Domm wrote:whoa....what a mindlbowing turret!....
Camkierhi wrote:It's looking good, nice work, I think the 5 barrels is good.
Hey guys!! again thanks so much for looking in and commenting!
Am really happy with there this turret has ended up...... kept it pretty simple in the main but concentrated on those guns!!
cheers again All!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy All!!
FINALLY GOT SOME PAINT!!
Unfortunately the rain put an end to any dreams of major work but i managed to get a coat of primer on the Vulcan Turret!
Being a noob to the world of painting and spray painting especially... i think i went a bit too heavy with the primer.. but am pretty happy with the end result.... it looks tied together and the details are still nicely visable....
Next... i took a spare part of plasticard and had an attempt at salt weathering...... with DISASTEROUS consequences.... to be honest i think i put too much rock salt peices on... and it ended up looking horrid and well out of scale.... The pictures shown are of my second attempt with a lot less rock salt pieces........ This finish is goin to be the "Undercoat" of the tank. I have a grey paint that i am going to apply over "another" layer of Salt Weathering after i seal the base coat in matt varnish. I dont know how it is going to go...... but i am going to use hairspray instead of water to stick the salt to the panel....
Then i am going to add a spare decal to the panel to see how i am going to weather that also........
Anyways, comments and and critique is always welcome! Cheers All
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Post by: hk1x1
That turret looks great, as does the rest of the tank.
I've seen the rock salt technique done before but never tried it myself, It'll be interesting to see how it looks on the finished model.
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Post by: Camkierhi
Turret looks stunning, and I am with hk1x1, watching this salt technique closely.
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Post by: Ruglud
I'm with hk1x1 and Camkierhi, turret look great - I still haven't tried the salt weathering, but will do at some point so always happy to see others experiment and passing on their tips and experience
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
magos...if the colors would be swappable...then you´d be golden...the effect looks convincing...maybe you could still use this to your advance?... more salt now on the red areas and respray it?...
primed turret looks cool!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey all......
Got the turret salted and painted with 2 coats today....... with a rather excessive result!!
First... added salt and then the red coat.
rubbed off the salt and then added another salt layer.
oversprayed with the grey finish and removed the second salt layer.
went in with a toothpick and attempted to add some scratches and bring out the panel edges......
Like i said i think it is a little too extreme and i have gone over the top... but for a first attempt i am happy.....
I am going to go back in with some grey and sponge on more to finish it off....
Also an important fact i will remember is that hairspray is much better to work with than water...... the fine spray sits easier on the model and doesnt stay in large droplets like the water did...... just an observation....
Any comments would be great guys... and any input on how i might improve this would be great.... Like i said... lot of detail still to add and going to fill out the grey finish a bit.... then its decals etc...
Cheers guys!!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Generally pretty nice, suitably uneven. I would consider lightly drybrushing/sponging metalics on, especially where the white is exposed. Great job though.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 inmygravenimage wrote:Generally pretty nice, suitably uneven. I would consider lightly drybrushing/sponging metalics on, especially where the white is exposed. Great job though.
Hey mate! Thanks for the tips! Will definetly get the sponge out when i get back to it! Will get over those edges! Got to admit it looks a lot darker in the pics than in "realife" i will need to get it under a stronger lamp for more pics!
Really appreciate the input!
cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy me hearty's!!
Had a second go at the Vulcan turret...... when i looked at it again it really looked too random and really overdone..... so.... i got the grey paint out again and put a coat over all the detail......
Scraped off a little of the leftover salt....... and then got out an old sponge and ripped off a corner. With some of my paint in a little ramakin.. i went about the edges of the turret with firstly the rudt red and then tried to really highlight it with the lighter grey.....
IMHO it is a lot better than the previous attempt.... just looks more convincing to me..... any thoughts?
Also.... the last pic is my "test sheet" and i have added a decal and had a go at it with a cocktail stick to see if i can achieve some basic weathering on that also.....
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YO!......
added some decals tonight..... apart from a little bit of dirt to add thats the turret done..... so hopefully will get through the rest quicker....
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Very good scratch build!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Nice, and actually the white decals balance out the white-ish hull elements. Sweet!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey guys! Just arrived at work..... and my Widowmaker Cannons and Turret Mounting Plate have arrived!!!!
I know it shouldnt... but i thought it deserved its own post because i am over the moon! Great pieces and cannot wait to get them attached when i get home!
Thanks to Machinator @ Blood and Skulls for sending out a second batch after the first were lost in the warp! Great pieces and would certainly use the services again!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Can't wait to see those big boys mounted.
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Hey all.......
Ok... For this turret i have tried to learn from the vulcan and hold back slightly on the severity of the weathering.....
First a light layer of fine salt was applied randomly and then the primer..... i feel this gave a nice texture.... next was the grey over colour... and then straight in with the red sponge and grey sponge to finish..... IMHO i think its looking a lot better!
AND THOSE GUNS!!!!! I was thinking they would be main battle canon but seeing them mounted they are quite easily passible as vanquishers i think!
I will have another go at the salting on the Crassus when i get round to it... or even on the Mach hull...... but i think for a first time.... the base layer of salt and then sponging was a better option for me!
Would love to hear your comments chaps... i really do appreciate them all,
cheers & Thanks.....
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Oops... forgot this one....
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
yeah these two look mean...specially all weathered up like this ...spiffy!
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Post by: Big H
That turret look really cool mate , i like it a lot , get going on the tank chassis !
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All..... Real quick update.... unfortunately going to be the last for a little while.... some family issues....
But got some more salt on the hull... and got it primed and then the grey coat..........
Added some gouges and scratches along the hull but the terrible out of focus pics dont really do it justice!
Cheers guys!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
I hope that issues in the family get solved for the benefit of all concerned ...
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Definitely looking good now!
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Post by: Klaus, not Santa
My best wishes in regards to your family issues.
Though quite blurry the progress looks very good.
I have to admit I'm still afraid using the salt technique for fear of lacking control.
Cheers Mate
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Viktor von Domm wrote:I hope that issues in the family get solved for the benefit of all concerned ...
shasolenzabi wrote:Definitely looking good now!
Klaus, not Santa wrote:My best wishes in regards to your family issues.
Though quite blurry the progress looks very good.
I have to admit I'm still afraid using the salt technique for fear of lacking control.
Cheers Mate
Hey all... thanks so much for the best wishes....
I had another look at the Mach paintwork... and although happy with the textures and the light grey scratches and chips.... the rusty red was just too deep in colour.... because i had added it after the grey.... so i decided to go back and go over the whole model with the grey overcoat........ got to say there are some teep textures coming through and my pictures dont really do them justice..... i am going to go back in with the light grey sponge and redo the chips.... and then decals... some dirt and thats it! It has been a learning curve for my first model and paintjob... but i have another couple in the pipeline i can try out the salting again and another red rust etc...
Cheers guys,,, any questions or comments as always are well recieved!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
it is always about decisions... making them is the importance and not which one..
so redoing is always a good thing if you´re not satisfied... otherwise it would bugger no end all the time you see the model...and learning curve is just that... it is bendy and will get uphill ...always^^...
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Post by: Camkierhi
You are brave, but Vik is right (as usual) if you are not happy, this is important, and starting over important. This is a great model and doubly important as it's your first. Good luck and you will manage it, I can see the talent. Maybe put off the painting until you have tried on something less important. Knock up some defence lines as practice. Gives you scenery and chance to practice techniques and is not so important.
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Post by: hk1x1
Those turrets look great, the last one there (the twin long barreled one) is definitely my favorite, I think you got the paint balance perfect on that one .
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Thanks guys! I have put to gether a couple of boxes and scrap metal pieces from plasticard and am currently experimenting on them to find a decent technique for the salt weathering..... what i am finding very quickly is LESS salt IS MORE detail & real!!! IMHO...... pics to follow soon so i can give you s breakdown of how i have managed it......
On a totally diferent note..... I am wondering if anyone can help me and advise how to get a hyperlink to my blog on my profile signature..... for all the will of the Omnissiah i cant figure it out!
haha.... cheers guys,
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Post by: dsteingass
That tank is amazing! I too, don't like the salt technique- a sponge is much better for control. However If I can give one bit of advice...Paint all your basecoat colors, Then when you are happy, do your decaling, then Weather/chip/rust EVERYTHING, including the decals.
as for a hyperlink, just use this format, with square brackets instead of round ones
(url)http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/jforum.page?module=posts&action=edit&post_id=6436725&start=210(/url)
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey guys! Taking Camkeirhi advise i put together a little storage box and a warped armour plate and went through my weathering technique again.... I put all the images together into one image so hpefully all the details stand out!
dsteingass thanks mate! Really appreciate the comments! Yeh i think that turret is my fav also.... althought i am happy with them both really! haha... thanks for the tips.... I will definetly have a go at that next time.....
Cheers all.. any comments would be cool!
To be honest... i REALLY like image 3 with the fine saltcoat and red rudt coat...... just a nice effect...... i think a lighter grey and a little less of a second salt coat could be just the look i am finally going for.....
Automatically Appended Next Post: OH.... i forgot to mention... I have a bunch of steel wool currently submerged in water that i am going to leave for a few days and try and create some real rust pigment............
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Post by: Camkierhi
I am probably totally wrong here, but is it not the point to remove the salt totally, to reveal the paint underneath. I like the effect you have going, but for myself (and this is totally a personal thing) It's too textured, to lumpy. I am just not 100% sold on it. I tell you who you need to talk to. SkalkBloodaxe, his salt work on his terrain is legendary.
Please completely ignore me if I am talking twoddle. I have NO experience with this technique myself, and am watching with interest as to how you do. I have yet to muster the courage to have a go so my hat is off to you regardless.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Camkierhi wrote:I am probably totally wrong here, but is it not the point to remove the salt totally, to reveal the paint underneath. I like the effect you have going, but for myself (and this is totally a personal thing) It's too textured, to lumpy. I am just not 100% sold on it. I tell you who you need to talk to. SkalkBloodaxe, his salt work on his terrain is legendary.
Please completely ignore me if I am talking twoddle. I have NO experience with this technique myself, and am watching with interest as to how you do. I have yet to muster the courage to have a go so my hat is off to you regardless.
Heya mate! Not at all.. i totally appreciate the input! And actually i agree with you..... i like the textures i have here and really like the almost "scortched" look i have acheived.... but i think i really want to reign it in on my models...... I am going to have another go at a much more restrained salting and see what i can come up with... pretty much experimenting so just seeing what i can come up with... and this has actually put me in mind to have a go at a 100% wrecked and burnt out vehicle of somekind..... brain juices are juicing.......
Thanks buddy! Hope you can pick up some pointers with me as i go along!
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Post by: Littletower
Thought I might as well throw in my two cents...
I think the main idea of the technique is to replicate the "real" order in which the rust is seen, meaning it lays beneath the actual paint, after if peels off.
For that, the piece is first painted in rust colour - one base colour seems to be generally enough; I've tried a rust-red base plus orange-brown sponging in larger, flat areas, but I haven't figured out if the later has enough impact in the finished look -.
Then it is salted - hairspray used for temporally adhering the salt, sprinkling with water can do it too, with far lesser result - and painted over in the "true" base colour.
Once dried, the salt is removed by brushing, revealing the rust beneath.
Maybe not the best example around, but it should do:
After the salt is removed, the rust patches can be improved by stippling or sponging other tones for deepening the rust effect, and/or adding pure metal scratches for "newer", yet unrusted, damages to the paint.
Hope it makes sense...
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Littletower wrote:Thought I might as well throw in my two cents...
I think the main idea of the technique is to replicate the "real" order in which the rust is seen, meaning it lays beneath the actual paint, after if peels off.
For that, the piece is first painted in rust colour - one base colour seems to be generally enough; I've tried a rust-red base plus orange-brown sponging in larger, flat areas, but I haven't figured out if the later has enough impact in the finished look -.
Then it is salted - hairspray used for temporally adhering the salt, sprinkling with water can do it too, with far lesser result - and painted over in the "true" base colour.
Once dried, the salt is removed by brushing, revealing the rust beneath.
Maybe not the best example around, but it should do:
After the salt is removed, the rust patches can be improved by stippling or sponging other tones for deepening the rust effect, and/or adding pure metal scratches for "newer", yet unrusted, damages to the paint.
Hope it makes sense...
Hi Mate! Really like that image...... looks good! I am finding that i am either applying too much salt...... or too much hairspray which is melting the fine salt and adhering it in big lumps rather than smaller amounts..... that is what is giving the me the large areas of rust.... I am going to give it another go.... with less salt and see what happens... but thanks again for looking it!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy all!
Hope everyone is well!
Ok... i have tried to refine my painting technque and am really happy with the results IMHO.
Really held back with the salt.... and went in a lot lighter with the sponge..... I am pretty set that this is going to be the way i go about painting the Mach.... By the way.. the grey is just a coat of Halfords Light grey primer...... and i would DEFINETLY recoment this to anyone looking for a primer.... large volume for a low price... lovely matt finish and a nice almost Panzer Grey finish!
I will be getting on with the Vanquisher turret tomorrow using this technique.... so will post pics!
Cheers guys!
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Oh... i should probarbly add... i made a light wash... using crushed up used matches to give a sooty / oily finish......
I only gave it one coat using the sponge and tried to concentrate on the rust and damage....
Will give it another coat tomorrow...
Cheers guys,
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Post by: Klaus, not Santa
Wow, that's an excellent effect on the damage!
LooKs awesome!
Will you provide a more detailed "how to"?
Pretty please
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Ditto, that's a fascinating idea!
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Post by: Dr H
Yeah, that's a good effect.
and impressive detail work throughout.
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Post by: Camkierhi
Now that plate looks absolutely brilliant. Definately need a good little tutorial on that one please. Awesome.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Klaus, not Santa wrote:Wow, that's an excellent effect on the damage!
LooKs awesome!
Will you provide a more detailed "how to"?
Pretty please
inmygravenimage wrote:Ditto, that's a fascinating idea!
Dr H wrote:Yeah, that's a good effect.
and impressive detail work throughout.
Camkierhi wrote:Now that plate looks absolutely brilliant. Definately need a good little tutorial on that one please. Awesome.
Hey guys! Thanks so much for the feedback... thats awesome! I will definetly get a full "How To" written up tomorrow i hope.... Really happy with how the technique is coming along....
Tonight however i have finally managed to extract some of the real rust from the steel wool i have had soaking in water...... i found that smaller ammounts were best and that a small amount of water was good (just enough to cover the wool) then after about 12 hours..... pound the wool with a spoon... and drain off the water...... leave it in a small container.. and then let the water evaporate off.... i sped this process up by putting it in the over at about 60Deg C for about an hour... onse it has dried.. hey presto... RUST!!! IMHO its looking good but ihave not had a chance to test it yet apart from a small piece i painted earlier..... i literally dapped my finger into the rust residue... and dapped it across the piece...... really quick but actually quite a promicing result...... i think a little coat of matt varnish and it should be sound!
More to follow... any comments guys plase fire away!
Again sorry for the crummy camera work!
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
these test pieces look very good...(which is actually the understatement of the day... )...
using actual rust is one hell of a ballsy move...I only wonder... if the rust would rust some more even after the application?... tho sealing the model probably would keep the oxidation process at bay ...well...I am by far no chemist at all^^...
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Viktor von Domm wrote:these test pieces look very good...(which is actually the understatement of the day... )...
using actual rust is one hell of a ballsy move...I only wonder... if the rust would rust some more even after the application?... tho sealing the model probably would keep the oxidation process at bay ...well...I am by far no chemist at all^^...
Hey Vik, Thanks very much..... yeh i am getting happier now with the look and will get the courage soon to add it to my actual model! .....
I think the varnish should halt the oxidisation.... but again..... this is just a test... who knows... it may evolve with time i will wait and see! ..... Hopefully it will work as with £2 for a decent sized bag of steel wool this would be a great money saver for anyone willing to try!
Cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All!
I have tried to write down the stages of the weathering technique i have been working on......
Armour Painting / Weathering
1. Use a scalpel to cut and groove the surface to desired effect.(Corkscrew motion to dig out shell hits)
2. Use fine salt around the damage and rusted edges (less is more)
3. Prime/Base “Panzer” Grey
4. Matt varnish coat
5. Small sponge rust colour around damage and damaged edges
6. Sponge light rust colour to highlight new areas of rust
7. Sponge light grey to show bare metal, highlight edges & new damage.(use light swipes of the sponge to give scratches)
8. Matt varnish coat
9. Wash with small amounts of strong black coffee.
10. Crush used matches. Mix wish drops of water. Sponge onto add charred areas and around damage.
11. Matt varnish
12. Graphite pencil lightly on bare metal edges.
Finish
I have also added a couple of pics of the previous armour plates with a simple (end of the finger) applied coat of my home made rust! IMHO i think it could really be good!
Any comments guys or if you ned me to try and explain anything more please let me know!
Cheers,
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Post by: Camkierhi
Well it definately looks effective. Very realistic.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Cheers mate! Yeh am pretty happy with it..... now all i need is the courage to have a go at the actual tank and stop messing around with test pieces.... lol....
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Post by: Big H
I was a little surprised at how well it looks when I read the list of ingredients !
However , the fact remains it does look pretty good !
For weathering powders I have used ash from the fire mixed with scrapings from coloured pastels ( Hobbycraft - earthtones £3 for 12 sticks ) with good results if you don't want to use wire wool. Tho , why wouldn't you want to use wire wool ???
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Big H wrote:I was a little surprised at how well it looks when I read the list of ingredients !
However , the fact remains it does look pretty good !
For weathering powders I have used ash from the fire mixed with scrapings from coloured pastels ( Hobbycraft - earthtones £3 for 12 sticks ) with good results if you don't want to use wire wool. Tho , why wouldn't you want to use wire wool ???
Thanks mate! Haha... yeh i am sure there will be a few purists out there who will baulk at the idea of pouring coffee over one of their models etc.... but thanks for saying so, but it looks pretty good IMHO.......
One thing i am learning very quickly is that it is VERY easy to go to far and just add too much damage or weathering..... Also, one of the down points about using the matches is that the ash seems to float on the top of the water rather than "mix"..... so literally only drops are needed!
Ash idea from the fire is a great idea!! I am getting WELL ahead of myself at the momment but i really want to do a fully burned out vehicle..... ash and all...... so there is a ready made source!
Thanks for looking in mate!
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Post by: Klaus, not Santa
THANKS Mate!
This is really helpsfull and looks very convincing.
I hope you can get this look and feel onto the real model.
I will wathc this one closely
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Klaus, not Santa wrote:THANKS Mate!
This is really helpsfull and looks very convincing.
I hope you can get this look and feel onto the real model.
I will wathc this one closely
Oh No .... Now there is pressure!!
haha.. thanks Klaus.. hope you can give it a go and let me know how you get on! anything else you want to know just let me know....
Yeh i am really hoping to get this working on the model.... i think if i just take my time it should work out fine..... last thing for me to try is going to be using the coffee to replicate some small oil drips and lines...... but apart from that i am pretty happy!
Thanks for looking in again!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey all!
I have taken the plunge and worked on the Vanquisher turret tonight...... followed the same technique as i listred previously... and am a heck of a lot happier with the results than i was before.... the only difference being that i used a slightly stronger coffee for the wash........
Not a huge explanation as time is short... but any comments or queries guys then please feel free to leave them!
Cheers All!
ps. the pics were taken straight after the coffee.... so it still looks a little damp..... but has dried now......
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Post by: inmygravenimage
That's soooooo crusty!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Got to admit that looks spectacular.
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Post by: Ruglud
Coffee wash heh? Must smell damn fine when it's nice and fresh
I have a strange urge to ask you what brand of coffee you use and is it instant or freshly ground
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Coffee for rust, hmmmm.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
inmygravenimage wrote:That's soooooo crusty!
Haha! yeh it is looking like it could do with a " de-scaling" and repaint..... but i think it has that Mid campaign look i was going for! IMHO
Camkierhi wrote:Got to admit that looks spectacular.
Thanks buddy! really appreciate it!
Ruglud wrote:Coffee wash heh? Must smell damn fine when it's nice and fresh
I have a strange urge to ask you what brand of coffee you use and is it instant or freshly ground
yes indeed mate! although i only used one spoon of Tesco Instant coffee to a very small amount of water... so not a huge smell... and once the last coat of varnish is on it..... theres no real smell....
shasolenzabi wrote:Coffee for rust, hmmmm.
Not exactly for the rust..... used more as a final oil wash. have a look at a few posts previously..... i had a list of the whole technique if you want to look over it!
Thanks everyone for looking in...... really appreciate all the comments..... last thing to do on this is to add the "Real Rust" final coat and and then figure out how i am going to do the main guns!
Cheers all,
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey again all.... just realised i have hit the 10K View Marker!!! WOOO!!
Thats overwhelming! Thanks all who have looked in so far... and please continue to do so!
Oh... a small query.... has anyone ever used hot chocolate and Watered down PVA glue to create a mud effect?? I have read about on a couple of different modelers websites..... i am a little unsure.. but hey... might give it a bash!
Cheers All
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey all!
Taken time away from the Mach as i wanted to try out a couple of diferent techniques and had my 2 tubs of homemade rust i wanted to use....
So..... i had a plan.... a wrecked / destroyed / burned out turret from somthing like an old imperial guard personel carrier... so i knocked up a small turret and got stuck in.....
The order was a light salting across the damage and armour using hairspray to bind.
A grey undercoat....... with a deep red / dark grey overcoat.
Next was the Vallejo Light Rust sponge work and also a lighter mix using the sponge.
Then it was time for my homemade rust..... i used the darker shade first.... addins a little water to a sponge and dabbing onto the turret.... into the over very gentle to dry it out... and then the lighter shade of rust was added to give a bit of depth / texture.
Last thing a little grime of crushed up used matches was used to add a little dirt to the hatches etc.
IMHO it is just as i hoped it would be.... a little coat of matt varnish has dulled it slightly.. but it was horribly messy to handle before i did.....
I hope you guys like it.. any comments would be great.....
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Post by: Camkierhi
Well it looks fantastic.
Really real. Definately going to "borrow" this.
Also looks like you could use it for a "home" for something. Like in my comp?!!
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Post by: the_valeyard6
i am going to attempt scratchbuilding for my krieg list, but i am going to use mk1 british tank with turrants as lemon russes but i am going to cast it, i was just wondering, were you going to cast these for personal uses?
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Camkierhi wrote:Well it looks fantastic.
Really real. Definately going to "borrow" this.
Also looks like you could use it for a "home" for something. Like in my comp?!!
Cheers buddy! I think the effect has come out as i had hoped! so am well chuffed! Hmmmm... i did have another idea for your comp.... but you might be right..... it could actually be a nice little idea.......
the_valeyard6 wrote:i am going to attempt scratchbuilding for my krieg list, but i am going to use mk1 british tank with turrants as lemon russes but i am going to cast it, i was just wondering, were you going to cast these for personal uses?
Hi mate, thanks for looking in! I am definetly thinking about designing and casting my own parts at some point in time.. but right now am just trying to get my modeling skills up to scratch... good luck with it though... i will definetly have a look in and see how you get on!
Cheers Guys,
ps. added a couple of pics with the flash added on my phone camera..... just to show a little more of the texture...... cheers,
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Post by: Ruglud
Wow, looks like it's about to crumble away in a pile of rusty dust... Really cool effect dude
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Cheers Ruglud
Yeh it is looking pretty old and beaten up......
I am expecting the chassis of a broken Rhino in the post today (cheap ebay buy) and am going to hit it with the same technique so will be interesting to see the results.... will post them as soon as i am done!
Thanks again for looking in!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Ahoy me hearty's!
The Rhino has arrived..... a nice little cheap Ebay purchase.... It arrived prety beat up allready but i have added a few bits and bobs and added a bit of heavy damage..... Salted around the heavy damage and primed and added some decals...... Next is the rust etc... so wil be interesting how the effect turns out.....
Cheers guys.. more updates soon..... not had a lot of time to do anything recently....
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Mmm crusty...
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Haha.... cheers mate.... yes indeed "Ole Crusty Hide" is now FINISHED!! My first finished model (apart from the tracks).....
Again i used the same technique i listed earlier in the blog..... IMHO.... its not to ba at all.... i might have added a few too many heavy shell marks.. but overall i am really happy i actually got it done!
I think i have actually achieved a very similar finish to the Macharius turret.... so now just need to get stuck in and get that completed now!!
Any comments or critique would be welcomed guys!
Cheers, Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh... just a quick point.... you may notice the designation of the Rhino has gone from 01 to 2!
This is because on my first attempt i dropped a large blob of rust coloured paint on the model!
So had to re-prime and then start over! 
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Post by: Camkierhi
Very crusty, looks great, BTW are you actually collecting an army, or just modelling? (Like theres any thing like "Just" modelling.)
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 Camkierhi wrote:Very crusty, looks great, BTW are you actually collecting an army, or just modelling? (Like theres any thing like "Just" modelling.)
Haha.... yeh i know... i started witht he idea of just doing some modelling and painting... but the further i get into things... the more and more bits and bobs i am seeming to collect!
Needed to cut some card tonight so i have started to build up the structure and form of the Fast Assault Carrier i started a while ago..... i think the look of it is as i was hoping..... going to need to make up a couple of sets of tracks and i think an assault ramp on each side of the tank also. The front gun turret is also going to be an issue...... anyone got any ideas for it? I was thinking a gun unit... but i am not too sure........ input would be great!
Also added a pic for scale between the Rhino, Fast Assault and Macharius.
C&C would be cool! Cheers all,
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Post by: OneManNoodles
If your going to keep with the turret, put a twin-linked heavy bolter on the front, and run it as a predator + twin heavy bolters.
nice rusting btw, really like the muted colours on the rhino, looks like a write off.
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Post by: LeadLegion
Really nice work on that rust and battle damage. Love it.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
LeadLegion wrote:Really nice work on that rust and battle damage. Love it.
Thanks Mate! Appreciate it.... think i am really close to a technique i am happy with for the damage.... last thing to try is the mud and track units...
OneManNoodles wrote:If your going to keep with the turret, put a twin-linked heavy bolter on the front, and run it as a predator + twin heavy bolters.
nice rusting btw, really like the muted colours on the rhino, looks like a write off.
Yeh thanks mate.... I am not sold on the turret yet...... not sure if i would prefer to have a mounted heave stubber with some armour and then something heavier at the front end.?!?!?
Having a look at the track units today..... Thinking of going for something A-Symetrical... with an assauly/access ramp on one side and something like a couple of gun ports to the opposite side...... not sure yet...... have a wee image of the idea for the access ramp side..... pretty simple...... but i dont want sponsons on it as i want to keep it light and "sleek" looking.....
Cheers all.....
C&C would really be apprecuated... as i have no real firm idea of where this is going to end up.....
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Post by: dsteingass
Fantastic rusty crumble work! Very impressive!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All...
well... I think i have created a "Mocha" Rhino........ thats a Coffee Wash and now a Hot Chocolate & Watered Down PVA Glue!!
I have added the mud effects and also added some ground up graphite to the exhausts of the Rhino......... now i am happy with it so it is done!
Also have had a look at the track units of the Fast Assault Carrier (FAC) and i think its looking pretty good IMHO........ Need to add some armour plating and then some other details i have not thought of yet...... Still stuck wether or not to add the predator turret??? Anyone have any thoughts?!
Also..... i need a name for this creation....... if anyone has one to offer that would be grand!
going to try and get a bit more time on it this evening but would love to hear yout thoughts! Cheers guys! Automatically Appended Next Post: ps. With a coat of Mat Varnish on it the Mud had dulled down slightly.. not quite as shiney.... which is good!
Cheers
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Post by: inmygravenimage
We need a new name for the FAC, though it's looking very nice indeed. Perhaps the Agamemnon?
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Post by: Theophony
I very much like the lines of this new tank
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Post by: MagosBiff90
inmygravenimage wrote:We need a new name for the FAC, though it's looking very nice indeed. Perhaps the Agamemnon?
Theophony wrote:I very much like the lines of this new tank
Hey Guys,
thanks for the input! The Agamemnon sounds good... but i think i might keep that name for something larger.... and grander...... perhaps the name of my Macharius.. when i get it done!
I have had a look at some names online.... I quite like the "Estoc" class assault vehicle. (Estoc is a middle ages era thrusting sword) fits quite well i think with the fast assaulting idea behind it....
Any thoughts?!
Cheers,
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Hi All,
I have added some armour sections to the "Estoc" and started to add the major rivets to the hull. Finished the forward hull also.
Still wondering about the turret and sponsons, including the forward firing unit....... I feel there is a nice shape to the carrier so far... and not sure how the turret looks......
All C&C would be great...... Thanks All,
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Post by: Dr H
Sorry, been lurking for a bit.
Good work on the rust / damage. Although the rhino is leaning more towards the "dead" end of the damaged spectrum.
Good build. I think the predator turret looks fine on there. The gun (is that the razorback turret) you have on the front looks a bit big to go there though. Have you tried that on top?
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Post by: OneManNoodles
Looks ace, thats a really nice shape to the armour, I like what you've got sketched onto the sides. Name is good too.
are you planning to have tracks all the way around as per your 3d sketch?
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Post by: Camkierhi
Does look great. Not 100% on the turrets. If it's an APC, not sure it would have such heavy gear. The two you have there at the moment look slightly off balance to me. Kinda if you are going with the lasgun's up front, then the main turret needs to be heavier, but that makes it a main battle tank not an APC. Maybe the front should be a heavy bolter turret, and make the main maybe a missile launcher. That way most of the ammo and tech are outside of the personnel compartment.
Just my two cents. It looks great anyway and with your paint skills will look brilliant.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Dr H wrote:Sorry, been lurking for a bit.
Good work on the rust / damage. Although the rhino is leaning more towards the "dead" end of the damaged spectrum.
Good build. I think the predator turret looks fine on there. The gun (is that the razorback turret) you have on the front looks a bit big to go there though. Have you tried that on top?
Hi Mate! Thanks for the comments! And i totally agree... i dont think that Rhino would be going anywhere soon! But i was kind of judt using it to try and sort my technique out so am happy with the results! With regards to the Astoc, I am thinking of creating a drivers compartment in the front instead of the forward turret.... and using the predator turret ontop....... Thinking along the lines of a US Bradley Fighting Vehicle........ any thoughts?
OneManNoodles wrote:Looks ace, thats a really nice shape to the armour, I like what you've got sketched onto the sides. Name is good too.
are you planning to have tracks all the way around as per your 3d sketch?
hi Mate..... yes indeed am going to get cracking on the tracks for this and get them running all around..... with only shallow track guards on the hull section so they will mostly be visable.... thanks for the comments!
Camkierhi wrote:Does look great. Not 100% on the turrets. If it's an APC, not sure it would have such heavy gear. The two you have there at the moment look slightly off balance to me. Kinda if you are going with the lasgun's up front, then the main turret needs to be heavier, but that makes it a main battle tank not an APC. Maybe the front should be a heavy bolter turret, and make the main maybe a missile launcher. That way most of the ammo and tech are outside of the personnel compartment.
Just my two cents. It looks great anyway and with your paint skills will look brilliant.
totally agree mate & thanks for the comments! As i have mentioned earlier.... I am looking at something like the US Bradley Fighting Vehicle... so think i will remove the predators long canon and replace it with something slightly lighter.... and then create a drivers compartment at the front...
Have attached a little sketch bellow..... Would love to hear your thoughts.. although until it is actually modeled.... it might be tricky to see....
Cheers,
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually...... thinking about it....... it could end up resembling the APC from Aliens but with tracks instead of wheels....... which i guess is no bad thing......
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Actually...... thinking about it....... it could end up resembling the APC from Aliens but with tracks instead of wheels....... which i guess is no bad thing......
No bad thing indeed.
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Hey All.....
Got cracking with the turret of the Estoc.... added some spaced armour and chopped some of the length off of the barrel to create a shorter canon. The spaced armour needs to be fixed finally... but i think it is looking better and more balanced.
Definetly going with the drivers compartment to replace the forward turret also...... then its on with thte tracks!
All C&C is welcome as always!
Cheers guys!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Think i am going to settle for ramps on each side of the Estoc...... With the stubby predator turret ontop and maybe a bolter or two....... so more like an APC and not a tank.....
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Post by: Camkierhi
That looks a lot better, brilliant.
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for the comment Camkierhi... i agree.. the stubby gun is looking better......
I got the hull finished and primed and also primed the turret..... I am keeping this one nice and simple... so last thing to do is add the doors to the track units and then the tracks themselves.....
Oh.... i also had a thought.... "Thanks to Klaus"... that i quite fancied giving an autogun unit a go...... so i put one together using a heavy bolter and some thin plastic tube..... I think it looks pretty good.. and is a real contender to be able to replace the turret of the Estoc........
Would love to hear your thoughts and comments guys.......
Cheers!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Actually i can't decide between them, nice job on the auto gun.
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Post by: Dr H
Good work adding the armour to the turret.
The autogun looks good, but the stand looks a bit weedy for it. I can imagine it bouncing about like a bobble-head when it fires. Bulk that up, or add extra support bars, maybe lower it a little and it's good to go.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
That's pretty cool, but I'm with DrH. Possibly, if it were lower to the hull? BTW I have a spare magnetised predator turret if you have any more of these shenanigans planned!
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Hey All,
Managed to get some time to look at the Auto unit.... Lowered it and then added a second support strut and another cable to make it look a bit more secure.....
Going to keep the damage on this vehicle to a minimum...... more scratches and dust instead of heavy damage..... so going to get stuck into that tomorrow....
Any C&C is welcome! Cheers guys....
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Post by: Camkierhi
Got to say that gun looks brilliant. Stealing that idea.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Haha... cheers mate.... and help yourself..... its not stealing if the idea is given freely! I am sure you know, but it is based off of a heavy bolter unit with the chain fed ammo...... the barrels are made from the middle part of cotton buds and the wiring i got out of an old plug.....
I managed to get some work done on the "Stubby" Turret also tonight.... no real damage but just gome wear and tear! Thisis the look i will be going for on the Estoc!
Oh..... and i added a pic of the turret ontop of my Rhino.... With the short barrel and the Spaced armour of the turret i thought it reminded me of an old German Panzer Mk III.......
Cheers guys,
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Really like the stubby turret on the rhino chassis. Great job.
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Post by: Ruglud
Great work, the turret looks the nuts on the rhino - that's a winner in my book. The Autogun really fits well with the ESTOC
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Post by: Dr H
Yeah, autogun looks suitably solid now.
Turret is good too.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Your general crustiness, to me, looks like a really nice and unusual interpretation of nurgle, btw - less pus, more entropy.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 inmygravenimage wrote:Your general crustiness, to me, looks like a really nice and unusual interpretation of nurgle, btw - less pus, more entropy.
Reading my mind there mate.... REALLY getting into the Death Guard at the momment...... so after i am done with the ESTOC i am going to have a look at a Heresy Era Death Guard Vehicle.... literally weeks/months after the Drop Site Massacre....... so before the fleshy and puss'y phase.... but plenty of rust and crustiness!
Cheers again guys..... ESTOC Hull to finish tonight and then get a look at the tracks and track units......
I should also give a mention to Mecha.... who kindly gifted me the hulls of 2 Mk1 Rhinos!! Great times! Was in touch through my DAKKA Swap Shop Ad...... and woudl most definetly recommend him if you have any dealing or transactions...... top notch!
These will now become the carcasses of my DG HH Era models.......
Cheers!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
inmygravenimage wrote:Your general crustiness, to me, looks like a really nice and unusual interpretation of nurgle, btw - less pus, more entropy.
Well... I have had a go at a DG Rhino....... a much deeper green that i would have normally chosen.... but i think its working out alright...... added some crusty damage and used some of my home made rust...
love to hear your thoughts..... all in all it was about 1 hour of work..... so kinda got through it quickly but think it is pretty effective.......
As i was saying... i am thinking of a Death Guard... post Istvaan V...... before Grandfather Nurgle has fully wrapped his bloated & pestilant fingers around the legion.....
All C&C would be most appreciated!
Thanks all!
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Post by: Littletower
Looks great, your home brewed wheathering recipe is really paying out!
I'd only say the time frame might be a little off, it looks like it's been out there for much longer than a few years!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Yup they look about 2000 years old, dragged up from the bottom of the deepest trench at the bottom of an acid sea.
They are brilliant.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hi All......
Just a real quick message...... i was grabbing my work gear this morning and happened to look over to the DG Rhino on my desk........ there appears to be a white dust/crystal build up growing accross the hull of the tank....... mostly over the damaged areas....... could it be that Grand Father Nurgle was disspleased at my work and decided to add some more of his own crustiness and degredation to my model?!?!
I am thinking perhaps along the way a chemical reaction has occured...... I will investigate when i get home and get a couple of pics up for you to have a look at!
Cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Haha..... awesome! I will print this and have it infront of the quarantine zone!
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Post by: Dr H
It sounds like you've recrystallised the salt you used. It could also be the caffeine, but is unlikely as there is very little even in the strongest coffee.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Glory to the plague father!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
The Plague Father's touch revealed......
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Post by: THEDARK1RI5ES
Hmmmmmm...Interesting? Nah I'm kidding mate. I love the bronze crustiness of your models
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 THEDARK1RI5ES wrote:Hmmmmmm...Interesting? Nah I'm kidding mate. I love the bronze crustiness of your models
Haha.... cheers mate! After i get through my current projects... am seriously concidering going for a "On the Turn" Crusty Death Guard spree! should keep the crustyness at a high level!
Thanks for looking in mate!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Of course, now you need to get yourself some fw bad boys
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Post by: MagosBiff90
OOOOoo the temptation is there alright! Think i am going to get a squad of MKIII marines with the new Death Guard heads from FW..... have you seen them yet? Look pretty amazing IMHO!
Pay day soon...... MUAH ha ha!!
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Post by: dantay_xv
I have to say the Forgeworld stuff is great..... Thhe daeth guard stuff looks amazing.
If you get terminators in the future though, watch out for the cataphractii and the tartaros types.
They don't have cavities for the heads like the GW ones, just slots for half helms... Maybe the deathshroud models are different.
I got Justaerin and they allow full head swaps.
Or you could do a crusty Imperial Knight after the mark 3's!!!
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Post by: MagosBiff90
 dantay_xv wrote:I have to say the Forgeworld stuff is great..... Thhe daeth guard stuff looks amazing.
If you get terminators in the future though, watch out for the cataphractii and the tartaros types.
They don't have cavities for the heads like the GW ones, just slots for half helms... Maybe the deathshroud models are different.
I got Justaerin and they allow full head swaps.
Or you could do a crusty Imperial Knight after the mark 3's!!!
Cheers for the info mate!
Think i will start off with a standard marine or 2..... but got to admit... typhon and the grave wardens are looking pretty sweet also!
Cheers,
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Post by: MagosBiff90
Hey All,
Just a sneak peek at my WIP for Camkierhi accomodation competition......
The theme is........
A brutal planet with acid rain and ash driven winds..... a garrison unit of troopers have been left to watch over the site of a ballte in the earliest years of the planets reabsorbtion bacn into the Emperors fold......
With no supplier and very limited resourses... the husk of an ancient warmachine forms the basis if their shelter..... scavanged metal sheets provide some level of shelter..... but stil it is a foreboding and un friendly environment.... the ash and acid has reduced the armour to rust and the ground to a dull grey.....
The high command deem the requirements of their troopers bellow the need for ammunition.... after all they are just numbers on a rollcall....
Am about 90% done i think..... really want to keep it basic and quite extereme looking....... also wanted to make the look of the old battle debris look diferent from the scavanged panels of the roof......
Any C&C would be great..... still got a few days to make any llast minute adjustments....
Cheers All,
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I cannot possibly comment on your rusty pile of crap being a judge and that.
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Post by: MagosBiff90
hehehe oh ofcourse...... no worries!
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Post by: dantay_xv
That rusty old rhino is probably in better condition than my car, and more likely to drive away
Looking good, The roof gives is a nice touch, though... I saw you were having issues with camo cloak over on the competition page... What did you try using. I suggest trying mesh from a bag of oranges or lemons like you get in tesco's (other supermarkests and food providers are available!!) Or some light gaze bandage dipped in pva, the mesh on the bag will allow you to add foliage ets through the gaps
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Post by: Dr H
It's looking good.
The one bit I see needs some work is the roof plate with the holes in it.
The holes themselves are nice and rusty and that makes sense (broken surface = rust), but the rest of that plate still looks a little too clean. If it's been there long enough for the holes to get rusty, then the edges (especially the lowest point) would also have a little rust on them, and with all the acid rain, there would be rust streaks from the rusty patches towards the lowest edge.
The rest is perfect though.
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