The girlfriend and I picked up X/Y on Saturday, and safe to say we're both extremely pleased with it! We're both really loving the new 3D system, and the effects for the 3D are cool, but most of the time I have it turned off. The new training simulator system is nice, and the mini-games to raise your pokemon's effection is pretty cool, too. So far the thing I like most is the variety of pokemon! After playing Black/White for so long, it's nice seeing both new and old pokemon so early in the game. There's also plenty of types available early on, so the starter that you choose doesn't really effect the diffculty early in the game. And the fact that you gain experience for weakening a pokemon before you capture them is suuuuch an awesome improvement; I've been preaching that for years! Also, the new Experience Share gives experience to ALL the pokemon in your party, and and doesn't take anything away from the one that did the fighting.
Really, the only problem I have with the game is that it seems you have to do the training simulators to make your pokemon a threat, especially against the gym leaders...but I'm still barely into the game. I think I've clocked only 5 hours.
If you're looking for a good read on it, I recommend this one
So, have any other Dakkaroos picked it up? What's your opinions of it?
I'm looking forward to it. It's taking a lot of willpower for me to not just buy it now, but I'm going to wait until Christmas.
What starters did you guys go for? I'm thinking Froakie, pick up a Bulbasaur as the game progresses, and then grab the event Torchic maybe. And I'm very torn between X and Y, currently erring towards Y for the awesomeness that is Yveltal.
I also went with Froakie, the girlfriend went with Fennekin. Chespin was a really close second choice for me, since I love fighting types. I still can't decide on which First Gen starter to pick, though...
I'd recommend getting Torchic - it's free, you can receive it as soon as you start the game, and it's really helpful against the first gym leader. Did I mention that it's free?
And I bought Y, the lady picked up X. I'm pretty sure that's how it is across the board
Playing Pokemon X. Lots of nostalgia already. It's odd. All of the little details (the mirror reflection, diagnal movement, sitting on chairs) and the sorts really adds up. I really can't criticize much. Hek the new exp share makes me finally feel like having more than 6 pokemon on my team!
The only real criticisms I have are that pokemon amie might make the story mode a bit too easy (it doesn't work in competitive or the battle tower but in story it can do some crazy broken stuff. It's awesome when they do it as it makes you feel like the pokemon is more real than just pixels braving a hit and surviving just because of you), the story feeling a bit lack luster in comparison to B/W, and certain sound effects feel a tad out dated.
On a side note, the super training isn't really needed. That's actually the ev mechanic that has been hidden in every game. Usually you have to defeat pokemon to get the stat buffs. Now though, with the ease of experience and the lessened need for grinding, you don't receive as many evs unless you go out of your way. Also, once you experience the might of ev training you feel the loss of power when not ev training
Automatically Appended Next Post: Yo man! I picked X! What? I wanted Mega Charizard X Well technically I got both but my first playthrough is with X.
Anyways, I actually have one last criticism. Mega evos can make the main game a bit too easy a well. I'd wager you can possibly get mega evos as early as level 1 for certain pokemon (and level 36 for the kanto starters which will likely be an individual's first mega evo). From hence forth you can very capably steam roll through your foes. Still though, I feel this gen is a massive football field leap forward and only a couple steps back.
Torchic is a good pick! It's up till January with a limited edition mega evo stone!
Ah, that makes sense about the Super Training then. I've been doing a lot of that and just general grinding. That's probably why the newly caught ones weren't doing as well as my trained ones at the same level.
Good to hear the praise. I was on the fence for a bit there. But I want to go for it now. A lot of people have said that there is a solid mix of new middle and old pokemon and thats a big seller for me
4oursword wrote: I intend not to use Mega Evolution often. It's not a feature I like.
I'm planning on limiting it to dramatic battles and competitive. Conceptually it is fine but I had hoped they would have been more generous in their application (giving it to pokemon that actually need it). Then again, that might have been partially because they wanted to make people accept the change by opting for the more popular pokemon.
It's also rather nice having a team from multiple different regions.
mega_bassist wrote: The first pokemon you see if a Pidgey, and I was pretty excited for that. I felt 10 years old all over again.
Good god this, dem feels.
The best pokemon game yet, it looks amazing, the low number of new pokemon is made up by just every pokemon being re-done in 3D, its the little details when fighting now which makes it stand out for me, the individual animations for each pokemon and you actually see them faint, just feels better. Cant wait to get into the online trading and battles but not doing that stuff until I beat the four.
Havent read anything about that yet, would be awesome if there was.
Also sorry to do this to you all but, torchics second evolution, is basically a penis chicken, I cant unsee it and wonder how the design team got away with that one.
Started with Fennekin, only evolved once so far and hate stickbutt.
Nice I was able to get a squirtle again, continues that trend. Fletchling line has very quickly became one of my favourite flying type lines as well. Definitely has its spot on my team from the start to after the end.
I got Y and I've been playing it straight for almost 3 days now. I love it.
It has all the customization I've always wanted, a fantastic selection of pokemon (I caught a Trapinch and a Gible within about 30 seconds of each other), and Exp Share is WAY awesome. The main pokemon gets full exp and it distributes half the exp to each of the other pokemon. That's 250% of the exp. Admittedly, this makes it a little easier, but you can turn it off if you like. I have a couple super-minor complaints, but they are just personal nitpicks.
1. Why is pikachu the only one who says it's name like in the anime? Pichu and Raichu stil make buzzy growl noises.
2. I don't like the little posse of kids who accompany you on your quest. I WORK ALONE. Especially Shauna, keep your 11-year-old-girl crush feelings away from me.
The reason why I haven't been on Dakka in 3 days. Massive pokebinge. These games are my heroin.
Beat the E4, now I'm working on putting together a competitive team (thinking of doing UU and OU). Not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet, but there looks to be a lot of interesting new options. Shame that they didn't nerf Stealth Rock, the thing is ridiculously overpowered.
Fafnir wrote: The reason why I haven't been on Dakka in 3 days. Massive pokebinge. These games are my heroin.
Beat the E4, now I'm working on putting together a competitive team (thinking of doing UU and OU). Not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet, but there looks to be a lot of interesting new options. Shame that they didn't nerf Stealth Rock, the thing is ridiculously overpowered.
How is the "aftergame" with no new region? Did they still put things in to run around and do?
Fafnir wrote: The reason why I haven't been on Dakka in 3 days. Massive pokebinge. These games are my heroin.
Beat the E4, now I'm working on putting together a competitive team (thinking of doing UU and OU). Not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet, but there looks to be a lot of interesting new options. Shame that they didn't nerf Stealth Rock, the thing is ridiculously overpowered.
How is the "aftergame" with no new region? Did they still put things in to run around and do?
Yeah was hoping they'd nerf stealth rock so fire types wouldn't feel like an absolutely stupid typing to play. I'm also curious on how the aftergame is. I have a hunch it won't be anything exceptional (pretty much like every other game. Even Johto as its region is rather small and Kanto is somewhat shrunk), probably some sort of battle frontier single building structure before a sequel comes out and vastly improves it.
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n0t_u wrote: I was lazy, and thought i could change it later.
But these kids... I was disappointed to find the fat one did not start with a Munchlax based on character design it fit better than the Corphish.
Oh I'm really hoping he gets Spinda and some other dance moves. And yeah.... the one I like least is the girl. Gosh darn it her crushing is crazy and she is an AAAABSOLUTE ditz.
liquidjoshi wrote: Not reading the thread because of spoilers, so sorry if this has already been asked, but I just want to know this one simple thing:
Is it worth buying a 3DS for alone? Considering I have at least one game from each generation already.
I've also been contemplating this, and I've come to the decision to trade in my DSi XL for a 2DS. I'm not so big on the whole '3D' thing, and I'm prone to getting really terrible migraines that result in me vomiting, so that's a plus . And it's cheaper!
liquidjoshi wrote: Not reading the thread because of spoilers, so sorry if this has already been asked, but I just want to know this one simple thing:
Is it worth buying a 3DS for alone? Considering I have at least one game from each generation already.
Personally, I'd state it is worth it. There's a couple of other splendid games for the 3ds and, as long as you don't mind remakes, they might be making them, a sequel/final version of the X and Y games (pokemon Z), and there will probably be another generation on the hand held.
The 3d isn't really that important and I don't feel you lose much of anything without it. It has its moments but I usually only turn on 3d for the dramatic moments. Oh, and the 3d doesn't even turn on in the overview unless a special cynimatic or pokemon battle is occurring. Besides that it's just the 2.5 d which they did pretty well on. A 2ds would work quite well I believe and if you ever need to update it'll be cheaper in a few years anyways
I've heard it's worth it, and if I'm going all in for a couple of games, then I might as well pay the extra £20. Don't like the 2DS at all TBH. Cheers for the info guys!
Fafnir wrote: The reason why I haven't been on Dakka in 3 days. Massive pokebinge. These games are my heroin.
Beat the E4, now I'm working on putting together a competitive team (thinking of doing UU and OU). Not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet, but there looks to be a lot of interesting new options. Shame that they didn't nerf Stealth Rock, the thing is ridiculously overpowered.
How is the "aftergame" with no new region? Did they still put things in to run around and do?
Well, the primary portion of the aftergame is waiting for Pokemon Z.
Other than that, there's a few things. Battle Mansion is pretty much what you've come to expect from previous gens, and there's also the friend safari, where each friend you have registered gives you access to a plot where 2-3 different pokemon can spawn (these can be ones you can't obtain normally, including starters from multiple generations), and they tend to come with really good IVs and the potential for hidden abilities.
You can also obtain one of the legendary bird trio, with the bird you get depending on the starter you picked (I know that Chespin gets you Articuno, not sure which ones the other two unlock). They're roaming. And you can also grab Mewtwo and Zygarde.
My biggest disappointment (other than the lack of a much needed Stealth Rock nerf and the fact that IVs are still a part of the game) is that there's pathetically few move tutors in the game, and it's blatantly obvious that they're just saving them for pokemon Z. Really limits the competitive builds available, which is a shame, since a lot of my fun comes from thinking up interesting teams.
Thanks Fafnir, I've never been to big on the aftergame and was hoping this one would have something to pull me in a bit more. Oh well, with everything else it still sounds very very worth it! Order placed... now to wait... impatiently...
To be honest it is always sad when people rage that there isn't that big of a late game when most people seem to enjoy blowing through the story mode ignoring the side paths for item collection and the sorts . Then again I enjoyed creating teams and playing the minigames (and I became addicted to farming berries for some time).
Oh man, I know the feeling.. When Ruby first came out I had an insane collection of Healing berries. Even though they hardly did any health in retrospect...
Going to start breeding (hopefully adamant) Growlithes with perfect speed/attack IVs and Close Combat soon. If anyone wants any of the inevitable trash that I'll end up having to delete otherwise (Not a fan of 'imperfects' at the pokemon puppy mill), let me know.
They'll be guaranteed to have either perfect attack or speed, with a chance of perfect IVs in both, not to mention the chance for some solid defenses. I just need a combination of all of the listed factors, and anything that doesn't quite make that is trash, which is either drowned in the river, or free for anyone that wants it.
If you're not competitive, they'll be pretty badass, especially with Close Combat.
So I'm debating whether I should get X or just black 2, I'll take it through my personal pros and cons:
Black 2
Pros:
FREE SHINY GIBLE OMG
I hate mega evolution
Seems a lot closer to gen 4 which was my favorite
don't need to get a 2ds
Cons:
Starters look like absolute crap compared to x/y
No free torchic and kanto starter
X
Pros:
Starters all look awesome except fennekin's final evolution
seems to bring a lot back from previous generations
more modern so bigger community
free gen 1 starter and torchic
Cons:
mega evolution is slowed
Region is based on France? wat
Need to get black 2 as well so I can transfer pokemon
No free gible
need to get a 2ds
seems a lot more modern than previous games.
Get X. Black 2 is alright, but only if you didn't have black or white first. As for the 2DS, I'd say hunt around to see if you can pick up a preowned 3DS instead, probably go for about the same price but it'd be better off that way. Unless you actually prefer the 2DS of course.
Shredsmore wrote: So I'm debating whether I should get X or just black 2, I'll take it through my personal pros and cons:
Black 2
Pros:
FREE SHINY GIBLE OMG
I hate mega evolution
Seems a lot closer to gen 4 which was my favorite
don't need to get a 2ds
Cons:
Starters look like absolute crap compared to x/y
No free torchic and kanto starter
X
Pros:
Starters all look awesome except fennekin's final evolution
seems to bring a lot back from previous generations
more modern so bigger community
free gen 1 starter and torchic
Cons:
mega evolution is slowed
Region is based on France? wat
Need to get black 2 as well so I can transfer pokemon
No free gible
need to get a 2ds
seems a lot more modern than previous games.
I'd say go for Pokemon X. It's all around more polished and the community will be bigger. Whilst mega evolutions are a drawback (I personally like the concept but feel some are a bit too broken and should have been given to Pokemon more needy), they aren't that big unless in competitive play and whilst they have a major story emphasis... it still isn't that important. Region wise, it's actually absolutely lovely and is truly a delightful sight. You can always get black 2 or b or w later on for cheap. Gible's actually captured within the story mode of the new pokemon game, the modern nature of the game actually really helps out.
Finally, I'd say go for a 3ds if you can. You can always turn off the 3d and it is more easily portable.
Short of Mewtwo, who's already uber anyway, the only Mega Evolutions who present the possibility of being 'broken' are Mega Lucario and Gengar (who will probably be tested and have their mega forms moved to ubers anyway).
Some Pokemon really didn't need them, like the above mentioned, but aside from those, most of the unneeded mega evolutions aren't even particularly good. In some cases, the mega evolutions are actually worse than the original forms. Mega Heracross looks pretty awful, for example, and even the titan of OU, Tyranitar's mega form, happens to be disappointing and lacking in utility and overall point compared to his other forms.
Besides, some pokemon really benefited from it in ways that were needed. Charizard has been absolute gutter trash for quite a while now, and his new mega evolutions look to at least make him playable. Mega Venasaur gives venasaur something to do now that weather has been nerfed to the ground. Blastoise now has a chance for life outside UU.
I'm with everyone else, I think you should get X. The game itself is MUCH better than Black/Black 2. I risked it, and got the 3DSXL for for the release, and it was totally worth my money. The gameplay is great, it looks awesome, and online/social features are the icing on the cake. So far, the only thing I wish was better would be the story. After playing White, I was hoping that they would keeping making compaign stories that good.
And going back to X/Y, I've put 16 hours into the game, and haven't even gotten the second badge! There's so much to do, and the map is so huge! I'm loving it so much!
Oh, and my Friend Code is 3325-2576-0039 if anyone wants to add me
Keep in mind that you not only need to add the other person, but they also must add you.
Aside from the benefits of having someone on your friend list to trade/battle with, there's the added bonus of gaining an extra "friend safari zone" for each friend on your list.
Each person's safari zone is a different specific type, and can spawn 2-3 different pokemon. When you go to the safari zone, you can pick to enter one safari at a time, and you can freely catch level 30 pokemon that you might not normally be able to catch.
For example, I have a dragon-type safari, so if someone is registered with me, they can go on my safari and capture several dragon-type pokemon.
Pokemon caught through safaris are unique for two main reasons:
First, they have the possibility of coming with hidden abilities, which can be particularly useful. For example, an Ivysaur caught through the safari can come with chlorophyll, a hidden ability that you can't get normally.
Second, every pokemon caught on a safari comes with at least 2 perfect IVs. This makes catching pokemon with solid stats much more reliable.
So even if you don't intend to play online that much, getting FCs for the safari isn't a bad idea.
Right out of the beginning it seems... easier. I don't recall someone following me around in Viridian Forest, constantly healing my pokemon. And people didn't know what roller skates or even running was, haha!
Edit: But hoooly crap, is this version of Exp. Share amazing! I just got a Metapod, Kakuna, and Spewdra to evolve all at the same time!
anybody seen the pokemon Z pokemon, it looks hideous, it doesn't even follow the same jagged art style and instead has a hexagonal worm like body, I cringe when I compare it to the pokemon X legendary. why? I was gonna get pokemon Z for the cooler pokemon, the third one is always cooler, why pokemon, WHY?!?!?!?
The Dark Apostle wrote: anybody seen the pokemon Z pokemon, it looks hideous, it doesn't even follow the same jagged art style and instead has a hexagonal worm like body, I cringe when I compare it to the pokemon X legendary. why? I was gonna get pokemon Z for the cooler pokemon, the third one is always cooler, why pokemon, WHY?!?!?!?
A. because everybody has personal opinnions. For example, I find him to be the coolest of the three B. He probably has a true form. Look at his stats. They are terrible inferior to the other two legends. The assumption leads us to either an alternate form or a mega evolution more frightening then them both.
Anyone found a way to get Froakie with his hidden ability, Protean? That looks like a fantastic ability.
Not quite sure but if I might throw in my own hunches I think I have two possible ways. One, there is a item that allows you to get the alternate ability for the price off 200BP. The second possibility (which I am not sure of yet) is pokemon friend safari.
The Dark Apostle wrote: anybody seen the pokemon Z pokemon, it looks hideous, it doesn't even follow the same jagged art style and instead has a hexagonal worm like body, I cringe when I compare it to the pokemon X legendary. why? I was gonna get pokemon Z for the cooler pokemon, the third one is always cooler, why pokemon, WHY?!?!?!?
I like it a lot.
If there is an alt-ability buy thing that sounds neat.
As for the "hasn't been cracked yet", i'm not 100% sure. There was a tumblr post floating around of a second game break bug involving receiving a none story scripted holo thing off someone, either its another game error like Lumois, or it was malicious and someone has cracked it.
Finished the Elite 4, no idea what my safari type is though (if someone could let me know that'd be awesome). Overall liked this just... there are a lot of little things that either weren't great or kinda bugged me.
Here's my FC: 0860-4081-6465
I've gone and added everyone who's posted theirs so far. Make sure you add me back, both players must add one another.
My safari type is dragon, with Fraxure, Dragonair, and Sligoo.
I've also finished my Larvitar mass production. I've kept two for myself and one for a friend, but the rest (not sure how many are left, but there are a lot) are up for grabs. They are all adamant, they all come with pursuit, and they were all bred (and then inbred several times over, because pokemon is about eugenics above all else) with my near-perfect IV blastoise (save for its speed, which is 24, although some were also bred through a charizard with perfect speed) via destiny knot, so they should all have some pretty good stats too.
Overall, I'm kind of disappointed that I had to sacrifice some defense on my final picks in order to breed them through Charizard, since some of the earlier ones actually have perfect defense to boot, although they keep the imperfect speed, which really hurts. I could have gotten max speed and defense, but that would have taken several more hours than it would be worth. If you have an inclination towards one or the other (speed or defense), let me know and I'll try to pick one that has those stats.
I've never bothered with EV training, or Nazi Breeding Regimes.
Should I? I can still battle well, I can crush other players who have EV trained, with a team I used through W2.
Yeah, I'll just stick my code up here again: 0791-2350-8413
Also, as for time, there's just so much to do! I'm catching tons of pokemon (Going to have to catch another 6-7 Eevee's), finding items, changing clothes, and using Pokemon-amie and Super Training - which I'm not sure I'm doing right. The last time I played pokemon was Silver as a kid, so this whole 'hidden stats' and IV's and EV's is new to me.
4oursword wrote: I've never bothered with EV training, or Nazi Breeding Regimes.
Should I? I can still battle well, I can crush other players who have EV trained, with a team I used through W2.
IV's in the handheld versions of the game are imo, something of a pipedream. Here we have a nice fellow offering high IV Larvitars which I would gladly accept and won't hurt you for getting but otherwise IV's are all about the patience and wherewithall to pursue them. IMO, it takes a lot of time and isn't strictly necessary. You're unlikely to end up in many battles where it will matter. When I want perfect IV and EV training I boot up PokeLab or one of the other battle simulators (IV's become absolute insanity especially when chasing hidden power for a build). My hat to those who have done it. I myself don't have that much patience.
However now that EV training is out in the open, no long some hidden numbers that cannot be observed it'll probably start mattering more. The most important aspect of Pokemon's meta is team composition and the vast majority of players I've seen have none on handheld version. However EV training is probably going to be more important now since its out there and clearly seen.
So I fully intend to EV traint and I'll probably pursue limited IV breeding but I'm not going to dedicate too much time to perfecting IV's. EDIT: Pokemon you've bred tend to have higher IV's than ones you've caught in the wild. High and low IV's can be found in both ways but you tend to get higher than average through a simple 1 generation of breeding.
Which reminds me I'm going to be breeding Haunters once I beat the League. Gengar is an old favorite and I'm going to see if I can get at least 24+ in all areas on some ghastly's. Let you guys know of my results once I have them!
I've never really bothered with IV's, but I've dabbled with EV's, and I've spent quite a bit of time doing the EV training in this game.
I did a little bit of breeding, but I''ll focus more on it when I actually finish the game. I bred some Abras, and now I have a Kadabara with some better-than-average speed and spec. attack. Pretty excited to see where he goes...even though Inkay is taking over as my favorite psychic-type.
Fafnir wrote: Here's my FC: 0860-4081-6465
I've gone and added everyone who's posted theirs so far. Make sure you add me back, both players must add one another.
My safari type is dragon, with Fraxure, Dragonair, and Sligoo.
I've also finished my Larvitar mass production. I've kept two for myself and one for a friend, but the rest (not sure how many are left, but there are a lot) are up for grabs. They are all adamant, they all come with pursuit, and they were all bred (and then inbred several times over, because pokemon is about eugenics above all else) with my near-perfect IV blastoise (save for its speed, which is 24, although some were also bred through a charizard with perfect speed) via destiny knot, so they should all have some pretty good stats too.
Overall, I'm kind of disappointed that I had to sacrifice some defense on my final picks in order to breed them through Charizard, since some of the earlier ones actually have perfect defense to boot, although they keep the imperfect speed, which really hurts. I could have gotten max speed and defense, but that would have taken several more hours than it would be worth. If you have an inclination towards one or the other (speed or defense), let me know and I'll try to pick one that has those stats.
O-oh? Go on? Wait dragon!? My apologies... Favourite type! xD. I'd like to add y'all but my college makes it difficult to connect live. I need to tinker with my laptop to get it to work. Anyways, nice larvitar! I'm actually planning on grinding through goomy's to get the ultimate Goodra! mainly cause it is my favourite pokemon now also because even if not ou it will probably still be a relatively good pokemon.
IVs only matter if you plan on battling competitively. If you're just playing through the main story, they're pretty much meaningless. Even in a competitive context, the only IV that tends to be really strict is speed, since a 1 point difference in speed can easily win or lose you a game. Honestly, the game would be better if they got rid of IVs completely, especially speed IVs.
That said, it's much easier to get decent IVs through the Safari zone, and breeding good IVs has become much easier thanks to items like the Destiny Knot. Fitting in IVs with the right egg moves can be a pain in the ass, however.
Things are certainly better than previous generations, where you could spend 200 hours hoping that "maybe the next one will be better," only to be consistently disappointed.
IV's, and even EV's to an extent really aren't needed unless you plan on going super competitive in competitions. For friendly battles the benefits are picking your lineup and moves intelligently give a better payoff.
Ah,well I won't wory too much about it! I mostly play to have fun/see how many I can collect. I like battling, but I've never been exceptional at it. I always lean towards "cooler" more than "better"
All I have to do is be versatile and look into the moves for each Pokémon and I'm sorted against most opponents, but underusing certain pokémon usually lead to being unfamiliar with them, which is the main reason my girlfriend can beat me, as she never changes from her main six. Even after I gave her a Dratini! The injustice of it all!
Also I spam Dragon-types. I love dragons. Currently training a Dragonite on HeartGold for use in Battle Revolution.
My girlfriend relies on her Mewtwo....and it's always a chore knocking that stupid thing out.
I actually had a battle the other night with a friend, and he threw out a Mawile, and I had no idea what that was I lucked out when I finally threw out my Charmeleon.
4oursword wrote: All I have to do is be versatile and look into the moves for each Pokémon and I'm sorted against most opponents, but underusing certain pokémon usually lead to being unfamiliar with them, which is the main reason my girlfriend can beat me, as she never changes from her main six. Even after I gave her a Dratini! The injustice of it all!
Also I spam Dragon-types. I love dragons. Currently training a Dragonite on HeartGold for use in Battle Revolution.
I'd like to say it is foolish to do that... I'd like to say spamming one typing in competitive play and battle frontier (and the sorts) is a bad idea.... problem is I'm about to have an all dragon play through and my favourite two pokemon are dragon xD. Fear my spamming of dragons! Fear iiii- OH SNAP THEY JUST SENT OUT A FLEBE! Run for the hills men run for the hiiiilllllsss!
On a side note... what exactly does the friend safari do? Max ivs in 2 stats always? Sometimes? never? just all around good stats?
4oursword wrote: All I have to do is be versatile and look into the moves for each Pokémon and I'm sorted against most opponents, but underusing certain pokémon usually lead to being unfamiliar with them, which is the main reason my girlfriend can beat me, as she never changes from her main six. Even after I gave her a Dratini! The injustice of it all!
Also I spam Dragon-types. I love dragons. Currently training a Dragonite on HeartGold for use in Battle Revolution.
I'd like to say it is foolish to do that... I'd like to say spamming one typing in competitive play and battle frontier (and the sorts) is a bad idea.... problem is I'm about to have an all dragon play through and my favourite two pokemon are dragon xD. Fear my spamming of dragons! Fear iiii- OH SNAP THEY JUST SENT OUT A FLEBE! Run for the hills men run for the hiiiilllllsss!
On a side note... what exactly does the friend safari do? Max ivs in 2 stats always? Sometimes? never? just all around good stats?
In fairness Goodra (and probably other versions of doing this) learn Sludge bomb, that and high dragon defense COULD even the odds a little.
Friend safari gives you 2(or 3) pokemon of a specific type depending on the person. They're guaranteed 2 perfect IV's, occasionally 3, and if i recall if you're on at the same time as the person they come with their hidden abilities.
Close, guaranteed at least 2 perfect IVs (but nothing's stopping you from getting more than 2), and you can get a pokemon's hidden ability. The person being online has nothing to do with it, it's just chance.
What you do get, if the person is online, is access to a third pokemon in the safari.
Fafnir wrote: Close, guaranteed at least 2 perfect IVs (but nothing's stopping you from getting more than 2), and you can get a pokemon's hidden ability. The person being online has nothing to do with it, it's just chance.
What you do get, if the person is online, is access to a third pokemon in the safari.
I thought the third pokemon was linked to the other person being in the post game or not?
Fafnir wrote: Close, guaranteed at least 2 perfect IVs (but nothing's stopping you from getting more than 2), and you can get a pokemon's hidden ability. The person being online has nothing to do with it, it's just chance.
What you do get, if the person is online, is access to a third pokemon in the safari.
I thought the third pokemon was linked to the other person being in the post game or not?
They need to come online just once to update their status, but I can confirm you can access all 3 even if the other person is offline (currently Quilladin from an offline friend).
Fafnir wrote: Close, guaranteed at least 2 perfect IVs (but nothing's stopping you from getting more than 2), and you can get a pokemon's hidden ability. The person being online has nothing to do with it, it's just chance.
What you do get, if the person is online, is access to a third pokemon in the safari.
I thought the third pokemon was linked to the other person being in the post game or not?
They need to come online just once to update their status, but I can confirm you can access all 3 even if the other person is offline (currently Quilladin from an offline friend).
Hmm odd, had a person or two online while checking in the safari and seen nothing like that unless the 3rds rate of showing up is lower (or i'm just unlucky )
When you're picking your safari, look at the icons in the top right corner. It'll show 2-3 icons, either for the pokemon available in the safari, if you've seen them (in that specific safari), or just a grey pokeball, in the event that you haven't. If there's two grey pokeballs/pokemon icons, then that means you only have those two available. If you see a third grey pokeball icon, that means that the third pokemon is now available.
Each pokemon seems to show up at a fairly equal rate to its peers, but the desire sensor will always taunt you.
So, I got a Fennekin in a Wonder Trade, which got me thinking - when can I get a Ditto in X/Y? I want to be able to pump out Squirtles, Chespins, and Torchics to give out to people.
Edit: Oh, looks like in the Pokemon Village just before the 8th Gym. Yeesh. That's going to take a while.
Fafnir wrote: When you're picking your safari, look at the icons in the top right corner. It'll show 2-3 icons, either for the pokemon available in the safari, if you've seen them (in that specific safari), or just a grey pokeball, in the event that you haven't. If there's two grey pokeballs/pokemon icons, then that means you only have those two available. If you see a third grey pokeball icon, that means that the third pokemon is now available.
Each pokemon seems to show up at a fairly equal rate to its peers, but the desire sensor will always taunt you.
I thought they were meant to, the 3rd box is blank on all the current 9 or so zones i have though, including ones who have been online or not. No pokeball of any kind in the 3rd box.
infinite_array wrote: So, I got a Fennekin in a Wonder Trade, which got me thinking - when can I get a Ditto in X/Y? I want to be able to pump out Squirtles, Chespins, and Torchics to give out to people.
Edit: Oh, looks like in the Pokemon Village just before the 8th Gym. Yeesh. That's going to take a while.
Not till later in the game, Pokemon Village to be exact unless you trade for one.
And victory my name is Hats! A kind soul from Japan whose name I can't spell traded me a Protean Froakie female for an Ivysaur female. My plans to breed Gengars will likely be put on hold to acquire Protean Froakies.
You know what is the worst part? My favourite three pokemon are: Goodra, Hydreigon, and Reuniclus. I have this odd feeling that one of them isn't friendly and two of them are blobs of slime.... and I want to pet them soooo badly O.O (at least I'm not somebody that likes slugma. Poor slugma lovers....)
LordofHats wrote: And victory my name is Hats! A kind soul from Japan whose name I can't spell traded me a Protean Froakie female for an Ivysaur female. My plans to breed Gengars will likely be put on hold to acquire Protean Froakies.
When I get the game, I'd love to grab one from you. I'm sure I can find something you want- if you got X then I can get you the Y version exclusives (not ordered yet, but Yveltal and Dragalge are awesome- not to mention Tyranitar).
Fafnir wrote: They are also more cost efficient than max repels.
Wow I typed a response and forgot to explicitly state this xD. Per 5th gen I got max just to scroll less often. With the immediate hey wanna use another one you should always buy super repels as they are the most cost effective.
Erm, in other news though trying to breed a shiny gooey goodra, needless to say i have gooey goomy's to spare if anyone wants one (the other adorable filth is going into a fire).
4oursword wrote: They're not hard to catch, are they? if they are I'd love one. I kinda want one throughout the game though.
You get them just before badge 5, but gooey is the hidden ability (lowers opponents speed after taking a physical hit) and these are level 1 rather than i think lvl 30-40 or whatever they are wild
Found a shiny Dugtrio, annoying since they kept popping up while I'm trying to train my Meditite. Has to be one of the lamer shiny versions out there. Grey noses.
Also the throw backs to the old games are a nice touch as well, just found one in a pokemon centre talking about Blue and how he had visited the region.
LordofHats wrote: And victory my name is Hats! A kind soul from Japan whose name I can't spell traded me a Protean Froakie female for an Ivysaur female. My plans to breed Gengars will likely be put on hold to acquire Protean Froakies.
When I get the game, I'd love to grab one from you. I'm sure I can find something you want- if you got X then I can get you the Y version exclusives (not ordered yet, but Yveltal and Dragalge are awesome- not to mention Tyranitar).
I'll give it out free of charge. I don't do ubers at all so the legendaries to me are just pokedex entries. I can get you a male easily (I already have a ton of them) a female though is proving elusive beyond the 1 I started with.
Busy trying to acquire the Dittos I need for my breeding program but in a cruel twist of fate every Ditto I have with a 31 IV has it in the same stat; five dittos with a 31 IV in spec attack. Oh the cruelty.
Heard about that and it sucks something fierce. Makes me partly glad the Pokemon Bank isn't up yet. Can you imagine transfering years of work into a game just to have the save corrupted by a glitch?
doc1234 wrote: Erm, in other news though trying to breed a shiny gooey goodra, needless to say i have gooey goomy's to spare if anyone wants one (the other adorable filth is going into a fire).
U-ummm I am slightly interested. What would you want for one?
Finally I gotta say this... It's my favourite pokemon game but there are two problems I have with the game. 1. the story feels underwhelming 2. the game is just so stupendously easy
StarTrotter wrote: Finally I gotta say this... It's my favourite pokemon game but there are two problems I have with the game. 1. the story feels underwhelming 2. the game is just so stupendously easy
The story is definitely underwhelming, even by Pokemon's fairly low standard.I like the ease though. Pokemon hasn't been hard for me since Gen I. By then I'd gained enough understanding to build teams and switch as needed to clear the game. The only challenge was the grind of getting a full team of six to level which wasn't a challenge at all in this game so my experience was much smoother and more enjoyable.
Now I'm happily sitting in Post Game working on various poke-projects
Some of the stuff in game explains why Black and White got a sequel instead of a 3rd version. The 3d models are very welcome and well done and I love character customization and all the awesome new online features. Overall this is my favorite game in the franchise since Gold and Silver. Giving those of us who have lost them a chance to regain the 3 classic and original starts was a lovely gift. I hope they continue next gen affording me an opportunity to reobtain my Totodile.
Heard about that and it sucks something fierce. Makes me partly glad the Pokemon Bank isn't up yet. Can you imagine transfering years of work into a game just to have the save corrupted by a glitch?
The only thing on par would be when I lost my copy of Final Fantasy: Tactics Advanced 2 during my last move.
I looked up a YouTube video on this, and sure enough, the game completely freezes.
doc1234 wrote: Erm, in other news though trying to breed a shiny gooey goodra, needless to say i have gooey goomy's to spare if anyone wants one (the other adorable filth is going into a fire).
U-ummm I am slightly interested. What would you want for one?
Finally I gotta say this... It's my favourite pokemon game but there are two problems I have with the game. 1. the story feels underwhelming 2. the game is just so stupendously easy
'Sup to you really, what do you feel it's worth to you? I'm sitting on a bunch of them already, may as well give them a home rather than leaving them to rot.
StarTrotter wrote: Finally I gotta say this... It's my favourite pokemon game but there are two problems I have with the game. 1. the story feels underwhelming 2. the game is just so stupendously easy
The story is definitely underwhelming, even by Pokemon's fairly low standard.I like the ease though. Pokemon hasn't been hard for me since Gen I. By then I'd gained enough understanding to build teams and switch as needed to clear the game. The only challenge was the grind of getting a full team of six to level which wasn't a challenge at all in this game so my experience was much smoother and more enjoyable.
Now I'm happily sitting in Post Game working on various poke-projects
Some of the stuff in game explains why Black and White got a sequel instead of a 3rd version. The 3d models are very welcome and well done and I love character customization and all the awesome new online features. Overall this is my favorite game in the franchise since Gold and Silver. Giving those of us who have lost them a chance to regain the 3 classic and original starts was a lovely gift. I hope they continue next gen affording me an opportunity to reobtain my Totodile.
Reobtain Totodile? Well to be honest there's still HGSS. Joking aside, if you want I could try to get you a female Totodile! Anyways, don't get me wrong. I haven't considered a pokemon game difficult since gen 1 when I was so young I thought the solid tactic was having a blastoise with 4 water attacks. Since then, I've done things from playing with a purposeful weakness (entire team weak to a typing), grinded two pokemon to level 36 in the viridian forest just after the first gem, and more goofy things simply because I know how it all works. That being said, the ai and/or team composition of N, Ghetsis, Cynthia, and a few others were all at least somewhat challenging (Cynthia actually had 3 pokemon with all 31IV stats). Yeah I still beat them but they weren't going from using a super effective move on me to... something that I resist.... Along with that, (I'm actually only about to get the 3rd gym. I've tried to avoid plot spoilers but some things leak):
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My biggest problem is that they made a lot of aspects simpler. Not only do you gain mega evolution which is almost always a auto pick as they generally make your pokemon better whilst the enemy rarely (I've heard only 2 times in the main story does anybody besides you ever use it) gets the chance to. Along with that, it seems that almost no trainers have more than 3 pokemon which makes battles shorter and easier. The exp share I both love and hate. On the love side... FINALLY! No more grinding! That being said, I'm easily levels above the gym leaders without even trying to grind. I'm thinking of making my next playthrough have 12-18 team mates to reduce this problem. Then there is pokemon amie. The thing is game breaking. It increases crit chance, evasion chance, makes it as though you have shed skin, oooccasinoally have a focus band on, and boosts your exp gain dramatically again. Then the gym leaders only ever have 3 pokemon, the rivals at most have 4 before post game, the evil leader only has 4, the elite four only have 4, and only the leader has 6. Along with this, they stopped using items.
Oh and sorry if I am missing any letters. It seems my keyboard is starting to have some difficulties with certain letters (particularly o). Anyways, I still find it to be my favourite.... problem is being your favourite means it is the easiest to notice flaws
doc1234 wrote: Erm, in other news though trying to breed a shiny gooey goodra, needless to say i have gooey goomy's to spare if anyone wants one (the other adorable filth is going into a fire).
U-ummm I am slightly interested. What would you want for one?
Finally I gotta say this... It's my favourite pokemon game but there are two problems I have with the game. 1. the story feels underwhelming 2. the game is just so stupendously easy
'Sup to you really, what do you feel it's worth to you? I'm sitting on a bunch of them already, may as well give them a home rather than leaving them to rot.
To be honest... I haven't even gotten my third gym yet xD. School has been a pain and I started up anther with my friend (came down from another city to play it with me). In terms of what it is worth for me.... well... frankly a heck of a lot xD. Particularly a female goomy. It is my favourite pokemon and it has a hidden ability. I'm partially tempted to ask if I could trade a goomy for something crummy until I get into post game (thinking of starting a competitive team so gonna be going through the breeding and berry making process).
I never finished my Black 2 and honestly have no played a Pokemon game since early Diamon/Pearl. I'm back in the swing now though, in part because breeding has actually become a realistic thing to achieve. Because of destiny knot it won't take me several dozen thousand eggs to breed a high IV mon. It'll still be a huge grind but grinding is something I've never had trouble with so long as a few hours actually bring results. Math wise, It shouldn't take too many eggs per generation to pass 31IVs and getting 5 on one is very realistically obtainable now as a challenge, not a form of masochism.
It has me excited as while I've always wanted to do it I've never wanted to spend weeks just to get a sliver of progress in breeding. Now doing it in an afternoon is plausible. EDIT: Speaking of which my luck with Ditto's has improved! Now have a Attack IV 31 and one ditto with a 31 IV in both HP and Defense on another!
In terms of other humans Pokemon can be a pretty intense game in part because of its simple complexity. The mechanics of the game are not deep but the variety of pokemon, attacks, stats, and abilities creates a rich game which is why it has such a hard core competitive scene nearly two decades since its release.
LordofHats wrote: I never finished my Black 2 and honestly have no played a Pokemon game since early Diamon/Pearl. I'm back in the swing now though, in part because breeding has actually become a realistic thing to achieve. Because of destiny knot it won't take me several dozen thousand eggs to breed a high IV mon. It'll still be a huge grind but grinding is something I've never had trouble with so long as a few hours actually bring results. Math wise, It shouldn't take too many eggs per generation to pass 31IVs and getting 5 on one is very realistically obtainable now as a challenge, not a form of masochism.
It has me excited as while I've always wanted to do it I've never wanted to spend weeks just to get a sliver of progress in breeding. Now doing it in an afternoon is plausible. EDIT: Speaking of which my luck with Ditto's has improved! Now have a Attack IV 31 and one ditto with a 31 IV in both HP and Defense!
In terms of other humans Pokemon can be a pretty intense game in part because of its simple complexity. The mechanics of the game are not deep but the variety of pokemon, attacks, stats, and abilities creates a rich game which is why it has such a hard core competitive scene nearly two decades since its release.
Oh most certainly! Trust me, I've always been infatuated with the concept of the competitive scene keeping track of where pokemon were as well as the rage taht was the dominance of weather teams (seems like o w and a are the main problems with my keyboard). But, as you mentioned... Unless you cheated or abused the system... there was simply no practical way to breed reliably. The best I got was tripple max IV weavile which I trained to level 100 and ev trained. Problem is I don't know where he is anymore xD. Also glad to hear you got more dittos!
I have no perfect IV dittos, so my method involves trying to find round-about ways to breed everything through my Blastoise, which has 30-31s in everything except speed, which is at 24 (best catch ever), and then find a way to get a speed IV on there. It's worked for Larvitar fairly decently, although having to breed multiple generations through several different pokemon just to transfer egg moves and IVs is a pain.
But it's going to get really bad once I start having to breed outside of the Monster egg group. Basically breeding blastoise with things that overlap with other egg groups.
On a good note, that should hopefully give me easier access to a wider range of egg moves than a chain of dittos would.
Mostly my plan for the dittos is simply to use them to infuse IV's into a male and female of a species. That way I stand a good chance of being able to regularly produce members of the species with desired IV's. Once I have the species up stat wise I can start breeding the species that has the egg move I want. Once both are up to spec my chances of getting exactly what I want are much much better.
It's still a lot of work but its no longer the sado-masochistic chore of blood letting myself it would have been in past gens. In the past it could take literally tens of thousands of eggs to get just 4 perfect IV's. Now it can be done with just a few hundred if not less. I'll know more once I've actually tried.
Was very happy with the new features of the game and the graphics. My only beefs with it:
- Very short and very little post league material; similar problem to Black and White 1. Really could have done with Gold/Silver, Platinum or BW2 extras.
- GTS is a joke. Crashes constantly because Nintendo's server can't handle the traffic over the worldwide release.
- Pokemon Bank should have been released with it or the game delayed until Bank was ready. It's silly releasing a game in October that cannot be possibly finished 100% until December.
Guessing those 3 new Pokes will be event only legends that go in the last 3 slots of the National Dex, thus they wouldn't show up on it until they have been seen. That or it's just a glitch.
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LordofHats wrote: However now that EV training is out in the open, no long some hidden numbers that cannot be observed it'll probably start mattering more. The most important aspect of Pokemon's meta is team composition and the vast majority of players I've seen have none on handheld version. However EV training is probably going to be more important now since its out there and clearly seen.
You'd be surprised. I used to play competitively back in Gen.4, and everybody was doing it even on handheld. It never took as long as you imagined once you got the right guys to start, and that was mostly a case of getting on the right forums for trades. My Platinum cart is still several boxes full of EV'd and IV'd Pokes that I used to battle with back then. Hell there were even some people back then who did it even for playthroughs and not just Wi-Fi, though that was a little far and unnecessary for me.
Noticed people were giving out codes on page 3 as well, so I added a bunch and will leave mine below:
4012 - 4506 - 8977
Fafnir wrote: I have no perfect IV dittos, so my method involves trying to find round-about ways to breed everything through my Blastoise, which has 30-31s in everything except speed, which is at 24 (best catch ever), and then find a way to get a speed IV on there. It's worked for Larvitar fairly decently, although having to breed multiple generations through several different pokemon just to transfer egg moves and IVs is a pain.
But it's going to get really bad once I start having to breed outside of the Monster egg group. Basically breeding blastoise with things that overlap with other egg groups.
On a good note, that should hopefully give me easier access to a wider range of egg moves than a chain of dittos would.
Have a hunch they are all probably legendaries. One is likely based on the racoon/squirrel of pokemon lore the other two no idea.
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Godless-Mimicry wrote: Was very happy with the new features of the game and the graphics. My only beefs with it:
- Very short and very little post league material; similar problem to Black and White 1. Really could have done with Gold/Silver, Platinum or BW2 extras.
- GTS is a joke. Crashes constantly because Nintendo's server can't handle the traffic over the worldwide release.
- Pokemon Bank should have been released with it or the game delayed until Bank was ready. It's silly releasing a game in October that cannot be possibly finished 100% until December.
Guessing those 3 new Pokes will be event only legends that go in the last 3 slots of the National Dex, thus they wouldn't show up on it until they have been seen. That or it's just a glitch.
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LordofHats wrote: However now that EV training is out in the open, no long some hidden numbers that cannot be observed it'll probably start mattering more. The most important aspect of Pokemon's meta is team composition and the vast majority of players I've seen have none on handheld version. However EV training is probably going to be more important now since its out there and clearly seen.
You'd be surprised. I used to play competitively back in Gen.4, and everybody was doing it even on handheld. It never took as long as you imagined once you got the right guys to start, and that was mostly a case of getting on the right forums for trades. My Platinum cart is still several boxes full of EV'd and IV'd Pokes that I used to battle with back then. Hell there were even some people back then who did it even for playthroughs and not just Wi-Fi, though that was a little far and unnecessary for me.
Noticed people were giving out codes on page 3 as well, so I added a bunch and will leave mine below:
4012 - 4506 - 8977
Pssht let us be honest GTS has always been a joke . Seriously though. I quit gts whenever I realized how many trade for lvl1 kyurem there were. Honestly I'm not surprised that this game probably has so little post game. Pokemon has always focused on the early game only tossing a bone in the form of Battle Frontier and the sorts before making a remake/sequel that has tons of after story. Also to be honest Gold/Silver was an odd one. They kinda shortened both regions and hollowed it out (as well as decrease levels of the first region) to make it work.
Anyways... might as well add my code!
1032-1303-2461
Hmmmm well hoping Goodra ends up being a good competitive pokemon. I'll end up using it regardless but trying to figure out how it would work. Last gen it would have been terrifying with its synergy with rain as well as strong Sp Def and decent physical def (and quite some damage as well). Currently I'm thinking maybe an infestation, toxic, protect or rest, sludge bomb or sludge wall. If it learns recovery then I'll replace protect or rest (not sure since milotic isn't in gen 6 so can't tell if can be bred over)
Rest is still a TM so it can learn it, however anytime a Tank/Wall is using Toxic, Protect should be in the set. If you are going with Poison for one of the other moves, a Ground type move would go well with it, though I'm not sure of Goodra's full learnset yet.
I've added everyone. Great game. You guys really were not kidding when you said there was a healthy mix of new and old. I'm Actually having a hard time deciding on a team. The Exp share will help a lot with that though.
EDIT: Also, did I find a massive glitch or did I miss the memo that TM's aren't one use anymore?
Why did they make Koffing unobtainable? I really want one to supplement my TTar. Of all the pokemon they could pick to cut from Gen 6, they had to pick Koffing.
Just wait till december fafnir, not like its permament.
Startrotter dont forget to drop goomy a dragon move like draco meteor for the STAB. Had been thinking of a similar moveset, earthquaks still a good tm but hadnt thought about protect :p
Gen 5 is correct. Ah, and on a bummer couldn't get my laptop to route out so I'll just have to head out to add y'all and trade. Oh! And a tip. You can actually have a team of 12 and still not have to grind much. So if you like quite a few and can't fit them all in to a team of 6.. by all means! It will also help keep you a bit closer to enemy levels.
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doc1234 wrote: Just wait till december fafnir, not like its permament.
Startrotter dont forget to drop goomy a dragon move like draco meteor for the STAB. Had been thinking of a similar moveset, earthquaks still a good tm but hadnt thought about protect :p
Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.
Shuckles. Do you know if you can transfer from DP to the bank or not? (have no clue personally). If you want, I can try to get females or males of the two. They probably won't be exceptional but I can try to at least nab one. What I demand is the top percentage of rattatas :U (in all seriousness if you want them and don't have anybody giving you a better one just give me a pokemon you don't care about).
Well, you can transfer from DP to BW2, and from that to the pokemon bank, but you can't transfer directly from DP.
Slowpoke himself isn't the issue, it's that he needs regenerator to be useful. You can't get regenerator outside of the dreamworld, which is exclusive to gen5, unless he's in a safari that we don't know about yet. Additionally, once Dec. 10 comes along, the dreamworld will be shut down permanently. This means that, unless there's a new way added to get regenerator slowpoke, he could be forever unobtainable past that point.
It's a real shame, since Slowbro is one of my absolute favourite pokemon.
In the case of Koffing/Weezing, you can just transfer them from gen 5 with no issue. It's just that he happens to be the one restricted pokemon that I'd love to use. Him and Slowbro would fill essentially the same purpose in a core I want to try, but neither are available.
It's a shame, with all the new things added to make the metagame so much more interesting, they've gone and put all these restrictions in place that make it difficult to run anything interesting.
In fairness with this talk of them bringing more pokemon in as we go, sounds more like they're wiping the metagame slate so to speak with things like regen-poke but plan on perhaps making a new meta. Being the first 3ds release of it it'd make sense, and the games still new. Give it a few months and see what they do I guess.
Personally I wish they would have just incorporated the abilities such as regenerator into slowpoke from the get-go perhaps making the cahnces of first finding it extremely low to make up for that.
Pokemon always seems to give up some things and then add in others taking massive leaps forward but then a few steps back. Still trying to construct the rest of my team. It'll be relatively crazy until the new gen's meta gets smoothed out (sorry guys! Can't be expecting me to max iv and the sorts on a group of 10 pokemon and then find out 6 of the 10 are NU )
Big leaps forward is still forward least it's not completely stagnating. Plus the tiers are still vaguely resting out. I can see froakie staying fairly mid-low unless its protean with a good range of moves. Sylveon as popular as it seems to be doesn't seem to be able to put up much of a fight moveset wise. Bout the only setup i'v been able to see worth on it is Moonbeam, wish and hidden power (fighting) for some variation.
Biggest problem I see with Sylveon is her speed really isn't that grand. Gardevoir seems better for that as well as some others yet I can't help but feel fairy types might not have been made strong enough.
Exactly, for slow eeveelutions other than the bonus for dragon, you're better off with something like umbreon. It's slow but can at least use it to it's advantage with a set up like toxic/curse/payback/some heal move. curse+payback mainly use the low speed to it's advantage, with sylveon you're just kind of trying to keep up. That and at least gardevoir gets psychic as a type advantage too.
Florges also packs a better statline than Sylveon, making it almost completely outdone from the get-go.
Anyone have any suggestions for a good, physically bulky pokemon that can compliment Tyranitar? That's not Slowbro or Weezing.
Aegislash could be useful, but that I'd like to not be so hammered by ground. Gliscor might work, but that weakness to water might end up hurting me. A bulky Scizor or Gyarados could also be potent options...
Fafnir wrote: Florges also packs a better statline than Sylveon, making it almost completely outdone from the get-go.
Anyone have any suggestions for a good, physically bulky pokemon that can compliment Tyranitar? That's not Slowbro or Weezing.
Aegislash could be useful, but that I'd like to not be so hammered by ground. Gliscor might work.
Sylveons main problem i think was the hype, nintendo and the fandom REALLY pushed the release stuff before the game came out. Plus don't forget Mawile is a contendor just for the lack of decent joint steel/fairy weakness.
Last I heard aegislash was shaping up to be pretty top tier? What kind of types you short on?
that and it is eeveelution which pretty much always get hyped despite rarely being all that good. Now what I am particularly curious about is mega evolutions and how they will deal with them. It could easily become the weather spam of last gen.
Sylveons main problem i think was the hype, nintendo and the fandom REALLY pushed the release stuff before the game came out. Plus don't forget Mawile is a contendor just for the lack of decent joint steel/fairy weakness.
Mawile will be good, but it'll fill a completely different Niche than Sylveon. They aren't really competing with one another.
Last I heard aegislash was shaping up to be pretty top tier? What kind of types you short on?
Aegislash is definitely good, but it also looks to be fairly predictable, and I'd also like to keep myself from becoming too vulnerable to earthquake.
Right now, I'm planning on running Assault vest specially bulky TTar and Mega Blastoise. AV TTar looks to be ridiculously resistant to special attacks, along the same vein as Blissey from the days of old (except he can actually hurt things), even able to take a Focus Blast to the face and still keep going. Megastoise looks to be a potent rapid spinner, with the capacity to take down any spin-blocker in one-on-one combat. In addition, he looks to be a powerful special attacker in his own right, with considerable bulk to boot.
With that in mind, I'd like to build my core around TTar. I need something with fairly good physical bulk that can run counter to the major threat of fighting attacks (this is where Slowbro and Weezing would end up kicking awesome amounts of ass), preferably while also covering other weaknesses of TTar's. Lastly, a third part could be added onto the core to support both of them, most probably in the form of wish/heal bell support.
Keep in mind that this website, despite displaying fairy type in the listing, only accounts for the 5th gen type chart (including Steel having resistances to dark and ghost types, which it no longer does), and also does not take into account abilities like Levitate or Thick Fat.
Thats the problem with monotypes, plus the eeveelution base stats aren't exactly amazing.
As for the megas, wait and see. As amazing as they are, all it'd take is something like trick room or thief or something (yet to test btw) to stop the held item from being used, then you have a regular mawile/lucario/whatever without a held item, plus as far as i'm aware you can only have 1 mega going at a time and the weakness charts are still in effect.
I can see all but a small handful of the megas either being thrown under the awesome but impractical pile, or them being so OP it becomes somewhat bad form to bring them along. Can't say i'v any intention of using them though either way.
StarTrotter wrote: that and it is eeveelution which pretty much always get hyped despite rarely being all that good. Now what I am particularly curious about is mega evolutions and how they will deal with them. It could easily become the weather spam of last gen.
Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Jolteon were amazing back in the day, and Espeon's found a great niche with Magic Bounce.
It's just that the power creep has tended to prove too much for them as generations have gone on. Umbreon fell to UU with the last generation, being almost completely outclassed, and it looks like Vaporeon and Jolteon will be facing the same fate. Espeon's future is somewhat up in the air.
It's just a shame that none of the new eeveelutions past GSC could prove to be any good. But at least none of them are Flareon bad.
As for the megas, wait and see. As amazing as they are, all it'd take is something like trick room or thief or something (yet to test btw) to stop the held item from being used,
Doesn't work. Mega stones can't be removed or switched. And trick room does not stop items from being used, it only reverses speed order.
@fafnir Had missed that about the link, only knew that they were in the process of updating.
Not sure how mawile and sylveon are filling different niches though, both bringing fairy to the field, but mawile at least has the weaknesses covered somewhat and can bring a bit extra with it? Plus a mega evolution (however amazingly they end up meta wise anyway).
Megawile is a bulky physical attacker, while Sylveon is a special attacker/special wall/special-based support pokemon. They both have great typing and piss-poor speed, but that's where the similarities end, really.
StarTrotter wrote: Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.
Draco Meteor would be a bad choice paired with Sludge Bomb (which you suggested before) as it basically means you are screwed against Steels.
Planning on a core team of Scizor (my all time favorite period) TTay and Megatoise. It's not a perfect core but they should be able to bulkily cover one another. What the team will desperately need is a pair of sweeps to bring the speed those three lack (my obvious choices being Mega Gengar or maybe Mega Gardevoir)
BTw Fafnir, its been confirmed now that males and females can pass the hidden/DW abilities and they can pass them via a ditto! This is a huge boon to breeders and propogating these abilities. My suggestion is to obtain a pokemon with an ability someone will want if you don't ahve one and go to Smogon's wifi forums and offer trades for a slowpoke with regenerator. There are many prominent breeders on smogon who might trade a baby with the ability for a newer mon come december.
StarTrotter wrote: Aye it is a rather tough choice. I was thinking draco meteor as well but admittedly this would lead to decreasing strength as well as having a solid counter in fairies which I have a hunch will be rather common at the start due to how powerful many ou dragons are.
Draco Meteor would be a bad choice paired with Sludge Bomb (which you suggested before) as it basically means you are screwed against Steels.
Yeah but honestly I'm trying to figure out what exactly to have in there. Infestation is to lock in an enemy pokemon so they can't swap out, toxic is self explainatory, protect to let them continue to be whittled away.... and then what of the last? That leaves one move left. Draco Meteor is generally a painful attack combined with a pretty good base S. attk. That being said, it loses power with each shot and a popular defense typing is resistant whilst a new typing (which we don't know how well it will work in the meta) entirely resists them. Fire blast is a possibility being effective against steel types. At the same time, water is somewhat common and it doesn't have the best accuracy. Sludge wave is a back up incase of items or even shed skin (same for sludge bomb). Along with that, it would help counter fairy types. At the same time thoug, steel absolutely ignores it, ghost, ground, and rock also don't care much for it and generally not that many super effectives there. Then there is Focus Blast. It is massive damage but low pp as well as low accuracy. Finally, fighting is an option as several of its bad match ups aren't that popular. With that being stated though, psychic and (worse yet) fairy resist it, ghost entirely ignores it as well. On a plus dark types, ice types, and steel types fall to the attack.
(on megas I have a hunch mega blaziken and mega gengar are gonna be ubers)
LordofHats wrote: Planning on a core team of Scizor (my all time favorite period) TTay and Megatoise. It's not a perfect core but they should be able to bulkily cover one another. What the team will desperately need is a pair of sweeps to bring the speed those three lack (my obvious choices being Mega Gengar or maybe Mega Gardevoir)
BTw Fafnir, its been confirmed now that males and females can pass the hidden/DW abilities and they can pass them via a ditto! This is a huge boon to breeders and propogating these abilities. My suggestion is to obtain a pokemon with an ability someone will want if you don't ahve one and go to Smogon's wifi forums and offer trades for a slowpoke with regenerator. There are many prominent breeders on smogon who might trade a baby with the ability for a newer mon come december.
But I want Slowbro noooooooooooow!
Well, I think I've figured out my plans for a new core: Tyranitar, Gliscor, and Aegislash. With Megastoise as my rapid spinner, that should cover a lot of threats right there. The focus is less on straight up offense, and more on bulk. For my last two slots, I'm going to need someone to abuse entry hazards, and someone to act as support.
Galvantula could be good, with sticky web being insane this gen, but stealth rock's own ridiculously OP nature might prove more important for this team loadout (for the record, I absolutely hate SR for being so insanely dominant, but it's just too good not to use. I honestly hope it gets banned), since the entire team is built to tank hits anyway, and Aegislash likes to go last. Either way, it would probably have to run as a lead, since nothing listed above would fill that roll.
For a support, something with wish/heal bell would be the ideal. Some bulk would be ideal. Togekiss looks to be a fairly natural choice, but stealth rock will always present a threat, even with megastoise spinning up a storm.
(yeah I concur it is too good not to use. I was hoping they would nerf it. At least the others are a bit more restrained or need longer build up)
Anyways, might I rudely ask if anybody knows what to do next? I've established wifi yet from there I am lost. My ds won't connect to it and, when going out, I hunted for wifi yet it seemed adamant in refusing to let me connect online.
StarTrotter wrote: (yeah I concur it is too good not to use. I was hoping they would nerf it. At least the others are a bit more restrained or need longer build up)
Anyways, might I rudely ask if anybody knows what to do next? I've established wifi yet from there I am lost. My ds won't connect to it and, when going out, I hunted for wifi yet it seemed adamant in refusing to let me connect online.
Have you registers the network in the DS settings?
Automatically Appended Next Post: It took me 3 days but I did it. A ditto with a 31 in a stat for each stat. I'm going to go check to see if the world is still there. Be back later XD
@Star; in my past experiences, trying to lock an enemy in and then setting up a stall doesn't work as well as it sounds since it takes more turns to set up, and it will only work once against a half-decent opponent.
Also, given that regular Blaziken with Speed Boost was Uber in Gen5 I'd say you are right about the Mega.
@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.
@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.
That's fine don't even remember asking for one XD
Smogon btw everyone has a chatroom simply for trading friend codes for safari. Got myself quite a few and am now running around trying to get a hidden ability abra. Damn things more elusive than those dittos.
So, I was wondering: With the traded Torchic having boosted exp., does that also then increase the amount of exp. that other pokemon in the party get through Exp. Share?
I went through the 4th Gym after getting the Mega-ring and Blaziken soloed that Gym by himself. But both my Wartortle and Quilladin gained 3-4 levels just by Exp. Share (and evolved, which is great since I love how Megatoise looks).
Godless-Mimicry wrote: @Star; in my past experiences, trying to lock an enemy in and then setting up a stall doesn't work as well as it sounds since it takes more turns to set up, and it will only work once against a half-decent opponent.
Also, given that regular Blaziken with Speed Boost was Uber in Gen5 I'd say you are right about the Mega.
@Hats; sorry for having to decline your request earlier bud, I don't have a proper battle team on Y yet. In my all of my battle Pokes are still on Platinum.
And gengar because of his natural ability Anyways, I wasn't entirely sure either. I'm just trying to figure out how to possibly even make goodra work. I earnestly have no clue how to make her that good. She has a preposterously good SD but her def is lacking and health is meh. Her speed is decent and her physical attack is ok whilst her sp attk is pretty good. She certainly can't become a real sweeper. At best she could be a tanky enemy breaker used to kill foes that are hard to kill through a combo of s def and strong attacks to not worry about lower speed. So she can become a tank but at the moment we don't know of egg moves and the sorts.
Assault Vest and turn her into a special wall/special attacker.
The problem with Goodra's Gooey ability is that it requires you to be hit by a contact move, all of which (correct me if there are exceptions) are physical, and Goodra just doesn't have the physical bulk to effectively and reliably make use of that.
Oh to be honest I just wanted to have gooey goodra because I like goodra a lot xD. In all honesty I feel that sap sipper is her best ability (unless rain dance but rain dance has a nerf which would probably make a tank not as attractive since tanks are to stall and force swap outs). I assume gooey could be used to at least mess with any physicals
Automatically Appended Next Post: In terms of goodra... perhaps assault vest
Gooey (hold on let me explain! It's not the best thing ever but the hope for Goodra is to make it a hit and run pokemon that tanks a shot, dishes out, and swaps along with HP248/252SpAttk/8Def to give it some general health
-Thunderbolt to counter togekiss and azumarill
-Fireblast (counter steel)
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast/EQ
Rain dance wasn't nerfed, just permanent weather starters. Which was a much needed nerf (Stealth Rock should have also been nerfed to only last 5 turns... that would have been fantastic). Just because games aren't entirely dominated by weather does not mean it's been made useless.
I played rain dance back in 3rd and 4th gen, when there was no Politoad or Ninetails with automatic weather, and the most we could make it last for was 8 turns, and did just fine. With 6 gen looking to move back into a much slower pace than 5th, rain, sun, and sand should be able to thrive just fine.
Given that they took the time to nerf steel, give a minor buff to fire, I'm somewhat perplexed that Ice is still so terrible. I mean would it kill them to have given Ice a fairy resistance, bug, or water? Some of that love could have really boosted ice as a more viable typing and helped a lot of otherwise decent mon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And dear goodness finding 1 abra with magic guard took me almost as much time as find 3 perfect IV dittos >.>
Took me 4-5 hours to catch a gligar with Immunity.
Also, the more I think about using Aegislash, the more I'm discouraged. Sure, it's got amazing typing and it is simply awesome from a capability standpoint, but he also happens to be one of the most predictable and potentially easily countered pokemon in the entire game. I'm not sure if it'll be the right pokemon for my team.
Fafnir wrote: Rain dance wasn't nerfed, just permanent weather starters. Which was a much needed nerf (Stealth Rock should have also been nerfed to only last 5 turns... that would have been fantastic). Just because games aren't entirely dominated by weather does not mean it's been made useless.
I played rain dance back in 3rd and 4th gen, when there was no Politoad or Ninetails with automatic weather, and the most we could make it last for was 8 turns, and did just fine. With 6 gen looking to move back into a much slower pace than 5th, rain, sun, and sand should be able to thrive just fine.
Hail is garbage though.
Don't get me wrong. Perma weather needed the nerf (and so does stealth rock). That being said I am new to competitive and am not sure how well Goodra fits in with a rain dance team. Also, I agree that I wish ice could have been buffed.
If she has high SpD but mediocre D, then forget Protect and get a move that ups Defense. Attach Leftovers and just start bulking up as Toxic eats your opponent. Pure Dragon does only have 3 weaknesses after all, and plenty of resistances. Just be sure before you set up if possible that you opponent is aware that you have a good Steel on your team to tank the switch if necessary (and that of course means putting a good Steel on your team ).
doc1234 wrote: startrotter if you still want it im online now :p
I really do... but this stupid haiku college seems to hate 3ds. I'm sorry for having wasted your time.
Not a waste of time at all, the games been played obsessively for a few days anyway. If it starts working drop me a PM and we can try this again if you don't get your own/better one.
doc1234 wrote: startrotter if you still want it im online now :p
I really do... but this stupid haiku college seems to hate 3ds. I'm sorry for having wasted your time.
Not a waste of time at all, the games been played obsessively for a few days anyway. If it starts working drop me a PM and we can try this again if you don't get your own/better one.
Okay thanks!
I finished my homework at 12:00. I promised myself I would go to bed... I realized it was 2:15 and I had spent at least an hour of that time petting pokemon xD
In fairness some of them are really adorable, feed a Banette and it unzips its little mouth and giggles. Kind of lost it at that point and couldn't help myself.
doc1234 wrote: In fairness some of them are really adorable, feed a Banette and it unzips its little mouth and giggles. Kind of lost it at that point and couldn't help myself.
WAIT WHAT!? Oh my gosh I need to get a banette just to pet and feed it now xD
The oddest pokemon I've pet so far is duoblade. It doesn't open its mouth, you can't pet its cloth.... it actually popped up loking from a corner and I was like... it was actually cute for a moment. Wat
doc1234 wrote: In fairness some of them are really adorable, feed a Banette and it unzips its little mouth and giggles. Kind of lost it at that point and couldn't help myself.
WAIT WHAT!? Oh my gosh I need to get a banette just to pet and feed it now xD
The oddest pokemon I've pet so far is duoblade. It doesn't open its mouth, you can't pet its cloth.... it actually popped up loking from a corner and I was like... it was actually cute for a moment. Wat
That's what i thought when I saw a mini video of it. Actually, a surprising amount of effort's been put into this. Touching pikachu/emolga/anything with thunder cheeks on the cheeks shocks you, pokemon like slugma mostly just burn you because of all the fire, most of the "pet" looking pokemon seem to prefer being petted on the head/whatever as you'd expect. Hell even goomy goes from a : D face to a >.< one depending on if you stroke its front or back feeler things. For something I originally thought was going to be a grind gimmick, it's really surprised me.
doc1234 wrote: In fairness some of them are really adorable, feed a Banette and it unzips its little mouth and giggles. Kind of lost it at that point and couldn't help myself.
WAIT WHAT!? Oh my gosh I need to get a banette just to pet and feed it now xD
The oddest pokemon I've pet so far is duoblade. It doesn't open its mouth, you can't pet its cloth.... it actually popped up loking from a corner and I was like... it was actually cute for a moment. Wat
That's what i thought when I saw a mini video of it. Actually, a surprising amount of effort's been put into this. Touching pikachu/emolga/anything with thunder cheeks on the cheeks shocks you, pokemon like slugma mostly just burn you because of all the fire, most of the "pet" looking pokemon seem to prefer being petted on the head/whatever as you'd expect. Hell even goomy goes from a : D face to a >.< one depending on if you stroke its front or back feeler things. For something I originally thought was going to be a grind gimmick, it's really surprised me.
I must pet ze goomy O.O
In all seriousness it is really tempting to just capture all the pokemon to see how they react in my personal opinion xD (also ice types with ice bits freeze you)
Might be getting Y this coming week. Colour me excited. I might go for Chespin if LordOfHats is still willing to give me a Protean Froakie, back it up with a Bulbasaur and the event Torchic and I'm halfway to a decent team!
Though I'll point out Four, that if you start Chespin you will get a Froakie (not protean) after beating the elite four. If you pick Fenniken as you're starter you will get a Chespin instead. Just so you know
Don't forget to whistle too, some of them dance a little and react. Though i'm convinced my ds doesn't know what a face looks like, can never get the face pulling game to work.
doc1234 wrote: Don't forget to whistle too, some of them dance a little and react. Though i'm convinced my ds doesn't know what a face looks like, can never get the face pulling game to work.
Don't remind me of the face cam..... one time... just one time.... first time ever... from then on it only leaded to them getting sad.....
4oursword wrote: Might be getting Y this coming week. Colour me excited. I might go for Chespin if LordOfHats is still willing to give me a Protean Froakie, back it up with a Bulbasaur and the event Torchic and I'm halfway to a decent team!
Be careful about that trap though; you get so many cool Pokemon basically given to you at decent levels at the game, it can be tempting to make a team with them, and without having to train anything the game goes by very fast. I'm considering buying X just so I can play the game through without the team that is presented to you basically.
4oursword wrote: Might be getting Y this coming week. Colour me excited. I might go for Chespin if LordOfHats is still willing to give me a Protean Froakie, back it up with a Bulbasaur and the event Torchic and I'm halfway to a decent team!
Be careful about that trap though; you get so many cool Pokemon basically given to you at decent levels at the game, it can be tempting to make a team with them, and without having to train anything the game goes by very fast. I'm considering buying X just so I can play the game through without the team that is presented to you basically.
In fairness outside of the initial starters the stats on the pokemon that get given to you are rarely all that good. Got a basic riolu, no breeding, to evolve on the gym before you get the free one. It was 1 level higher and had close to +10 in most of the stats than the free one, with only the speed only slightly lower by 1-2. Same with the Ralts i got postgame from the champ.
Honestly I recommend using more than 6 pokemon. The sheer amount of experience and pokemon traded to you (gifted) gaining bonus experience plus pokemon amie totals in some preposterously easy leveling moments. The game itself seems to expect an individual to rotate their team.
4oursword wrote: Might be getting Y this coming week. Colour me excited. I might go for Chespin if LordOfHats is still willing to give me a Protean Froakie, back it up with a Bulbasaur and the event Torchic and I'm halfway to a decent team!
Be careful about that trap though; you get so many cool Pokemon basically given to you at decent levels at the game, it can be tempting to make a team with them, and without having to train anything the game goes by very fast. I'm considering buying X just so I can play the game through without the team that is presented to you basically.
In fairness outside of the initial starters the stats on the pokemon that get given to you are rarely all that good. Got a basic riolu, no breeding, to evolve on the gym before you get the free one. It was 1 level higher and had close to +10 in most of the stats than the free one, with only the speed only slightly lower by 1-2. Same with the Ralts i got postgame from the champ.
Obviously so, since a Riolu you raised will already have EVs being seeded into its stats whereas the base Lucario doesn't until later. In XY you get three starters (including the event), a fossil Poke early, a free Lucario, and a free Lapras, all of which are levels above what you already have when you get them, unless you have been training extra. This is a very easy trap for players to skip what in the past felt like the long grind just to get on with your game and make a team with these guys.
As for what base stats guys have an all, the base game playthrough is not nearly hard enough in any generation to make such things necessary. You could pick any team and beat the game without much bother because the AIs are not that smart. If people are into doing all the math to face dumb AIs, to each their own and more power to them, but it certainly isn't necessary. Wi-Fi is a different story however, but that isn't what we are talking about.
Yeah... the ai is seriously idiotic in pokemon xD. Many have done all caterpie play throughs and the fact that you can use a single pokemon to steam roll the enemy helps make that a joke.
oh i wasn't arguing the game wasn't easy already, in honesty its worth turning the exp share off till postgameI think. Its just eith some of the free mons its not hard to already have them meaning EVs already in place. I got an aururus or whatever off wondertrade by the second gym or so. Even that ralts im counting there under free as the "trade" is for anything you have on hand.
Though as for a party of anything i'm now feeling 6 level 60-70 magicarp for an elite 4 run heh.
I picked up X as my copy of Y didn't come until a few days after release (Thanks very much GAME.)
The thing that bugged me was that I fell into the trap of using the 'Event Torchic' and what I found was that he levelled stupidly quickly in comparison to my other pokemon and he eventually just became my 'go-to' pokemon in any form of emergency or difficulty. It kind of ruined the game a bit and made several fights in the game ridiculously easy or in someplaces outright redundant.
In my copy of Y I picked up another Torchic but I won't be using it, will store it in case I decide to properly EV train or something a long time from now.
Fafnir wrote: Honestly, I write of pokemon games up until post game. That's where the real meat is.
Honestly I don't really write them off entirely. The environment is immersive and I always enjoy the story no matter how successful or fail the antagonist team is. That being said I'm obsessed with making money at the battle chateu atm. Along with that these games are already inferior to the sequels in terms of afterstory. That being said..... it seriously is a joke xD
doc1234 wrote: Though as for a party of anything i'm now feeling 6 level 60-70 magicarp for an elite 4 run heh.
I've seen it done. A guy took it through a run of the game on YouTube and when he was done he took it onto Wi-Fi and hammered some kid using 6 Ubers.
Rysaer wrote: The thing that bugged me was that I fell into the trap of using the 'Event Torchic' and what I found was that he levelled stupidly quickly in comparison to my other pokemon and he eventually just became my 'go-to' pokemon in any form of emergency or difficulty. It kind of ruined the game a bit and made several fights in the game ridiculously easy or in someplaces outright redundant..
Yup, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier. It all feels great at the time but afterwards you feel like you took it too easy and your game ended too quickly.
The Battle Chateau earns a ridiculous amount of money. This is great! I'm loving this. great game. I only have one badge because I keep getting distracted by things like this
Speaking of loving this game; Larvistas now available with 31 IV's in HP, Defense, Spec Attack, Spec Defense, and Speed. Available in choice of Modest or Timid. Scyther is up next since its in the same egg group. I'll make these on request.
DA's Forever wrote: I do love Scyther. One of my favorites. I don't have much in the way of trade however...
I'm giving them out free. I have the time on my hands to make these things and I consider it a public service to hand them out to others without the time or inclination XD
Wooooo! It took ages upon ages…. but at last…. I have connected online! Came home for the weekend for my mom's birthday and my wifi works here! Also…
Scizor you say? O.O darn you people and your appealing pokemon!
Anyways… I have to confess something… I haven't left the 2nd gym town. I kinda got an eevee to make into a sylveon (never had an eevee in a play through and thought why not). I grinded it and the rest of my team to max in amie. From there I shrugged and maxed their super training. I realized I lacked money so I went into the chateau (didn't actually know what was in there but was like it has to have a few trainers). Then I realized some trainers in there give you 8000 and was like I found the GOOOOLD! From there I continued until I realized I had a problem and my team was almost level 40 xD that being said I have approximately 550,000 poke dollars.
God dammit. realizing just how much of a threat Azumarill is going to pose for my team, and now I'm scared shitless.
Heliolisk and Toxicroak can both shaft him pretty hard, but I'm not sure how well they'd support the rest of my team (AV TTar, Subtoxic Gliscor, Megastoise) against much else, and they take up valuable space that could be used for more supportive/bulky roles.
Scizor could take out Bellyjet Azumarill pretty handily with its standard EV setup, but leaves my entire team open to be swept against anyone who gets the idea to give 124 speed EVs to it.
I really want to run Gastrodon, because the idea of a storm-eating slug is just awesome, but even that gets completely shafted by anything other than aqua jet, and he won't be outspeeding anything outside of that.
EDIT: Scratch that, figured something out. Now, can anyone with my safari please catch me a female Dragonair with Marvel Scale?
EDIT: Scratch that, figured something out. Now, can anyone with my safari please catch me a female Dragonair with Marvel Scale?
If its available in friend Safari, chances are I have it And I do have it. Two of them in fact. One is conveniently located in a box marked 'Trade Fodder'
Found out I can't actually breed Dragonite to have extreemspeed outside of Heart Gold/Soul silver.
...
Seriously Gamefreak? feth you.
Time to find another counter.
That said, I still wouldn't mind grabbing that marvel scale dragonair at the soonest opportunity (I would have gone on earlier today, but I was drinking and playing Gamma World).
Fafnir wrote: Found out I can't actually breed Dragonite to have extreemspeed outside of Heart Gold/Soul silver.
...
Seriously Gamefreak? feth you.
Time to find another counter.
That said, I still wouldn't mind grabbing that marvel scale dragonair at the soonest opportunity (I would have gone on earlier today, but I was drinking and playing Gamma World).
Yeah. Stealth Rock is in the same. Boat. Gotta port that in to get it on a lot of useful Mon, though it might not even be possible anymore. For example Scizor is no longer capable of learning Defog without a mon from a previous gen. No bug learns it by leveling, and there is no move tutor who teaches it or a way to breed it into the bug line.
I'd say Nintendo this gen was actually attempting to cut down on abuse of Action Replays and legal hacks in an attempt to balance out the game a bit but then, stealth rock still exists so XD
To be fair even though stealth rock's still there, doesn't mean it won't always be, plus it's still a step in the direction of leveling the playing field a nd meta a little. Besides, they've already made the first x/y patch for lumoise, who's to say they won't make another tweaking certain moves?
All I want is for stealth rock's damage mechanics to be changed. Numerous mon will never be viable simply because that stupid rock will known out 1/4 or even 1/2 of their health just for switching in and the new ghost types are ready and waiting to spin block away.
Has anyone else found out what their safari type is and just felt really dissapointed? Seems I'm poison with a bloody paras. It's childish but the only way I could be more offended was if it was normal with like Ratata and bidoof, or if my 3rd poison mon ends up being Zubat.... I'm just going to go sit in my corner now >.>
doc1234 wrote: Has anyone else found out what their safari type is and just felt really dissapointed? Seems I'm poison with a bloody paras. It's childish but the only way I could be more offended was if it was normal with like Ratata and bidoof, or if my 3rd poison mon ends up being Zubat.... I'm just going to go sit in my corner now >.>
Zubat Safari would actually be pretty good. Crobat is a baller this gen.
Infiltrator is baller, but Noivern also has it and save for a few less points in an overkill speed stat has a superious BSL and, oh look it's our old friend Stealth Rock with is crippling 'let me take a quarter of your health Crobat you silly nilly. You can't switch in!"
JK. No idea is Crobat's solid stats and awesome new ability will be enough to get him out of UU or not but it would be nice XD
It's almost guaranteed. Fastest hypnosis user in the game (with buffed accuracy to boot), access to defog, brave bird, roost, nasty plot, and a bunch of other great moves makes him a considerable threat. Especially with most of the restrictions on egg moves being removed allows him to run some really nasty sets now.
DA's Forever wrote: My problem is I have an addiction to berry growing and the Battle Chateau,,, I think I need help guys...
I wish I could help... but I have that problem too..... Hrmmmm... well I know I have you hats cause you are on my friend list as HATS or Hats. My friend code is Star T. Oh! Okay I figured it out. Never was online at the same time as you! I was on when 3 of you are (the only one I can tell for sure is doc)
Yep, trade done. Thanks.
Not sure which IVs that Larvitar has (one or two should be at 31 though), but it has 4 attack EVs, I think, if that interests you.
Fafnir wrote: Yep, trade done. Not sure which IVs that Larvitar has (one or two should be at 31 though), but it has 4 attack EVs, I think, if that interests you.
It actually has 31's in HP, Attack, Defense, S Defense and Speed according to the in game guy. so yeah XD. And its Adament not less. Saves me lots of time when I start my Tyranitar Captive Breeding program
Does it not have pursuit then? Because I remember I had to lose a few stat points in order to get pursuit onto them. That might be one of the earlier gens, if it doesn't have Pursuit. My final two TTars ended up with 24/31/16/26/31/31. I could have bred them further, but with the intention of being a special wall/trapper, I don't think it's necessary.
It has pursuit and scratch that HP IV. I think I misclicked onto one of my recently bred Axews (need a Hoxurs with Outrage to breed into my Garchomp) so that was a false alarm XD.
Which reminds me, the Scyther's are breed and ready for those who want them.
Well, I figure that the extra bulk from mega evolution should work as a decent replacement. And the change in speed tier could also work as quite the surprise, since most people won't expect Mega Tyranitar to be used for much.
I wouldn't run it with the team I'm working on now, since I already have Megastoise as part of my core, but it'd be an interesting alternative.
LordofHats wrote: Okay yeah I have you. You are Fighting Type and the two I can access are Pancham and Meinfoo.
Shuckles.... eh oh well. I guess I can joke to my friend that loves fighting types
Anyways I gotta ask. What is everybody's opinion of how the friend safari actually works? Personally I love the hidden abilities, max ivs, etc that make it easier and FINALLY no stupid run away pokemon with safari balls. That being said... I personally don't care much for the caste system it makes
What's your ingame name so I know its you when the notice appears? It's kind of backwards that the Friend Safari lists everyone by the DS name but the friends list then lists them by their character name.
Fafnir wrote: Yep, easiest way to get SR on TTar now. Earlier generations involved having to work through an annoying breeding chain.
My only problem is that my Tyrantrum's IVs are pretty awful. It'll be a pretty annoying process to get stealth rock on a set with good IVs.
I'm pushing my Garchomp breeding project aside for the moment since it involves leveling a Haxorus and will attempt to use the Larvitar you traded me to get one with stealth rock and pursuit and an IV spread of 31/31/31/x/31/31. I'll see how long it takes me.
If you have any decent leftovers, I'd be happy to take one off your hands.
Right now, I'm working on Gligars. Finally managed to get one with Impish nature, but the IVs could be better (max Atk, Sp.D, and Spe, but the defense and HP could be better), so I'm probably going to go all out and just attempt a perfect one.
The funny thing is that, despite being in the 'bug' egg group, Blastoise is still its grandfather... I guess my Blastoise will hump just about anything, really.
Seeing as the Larvitar came from you it seems only right to share the riches
Srock TTar will probably end up my lead. Looks like my team will be TTar up front, a rapid spin Starmie, Bulky Scizor, Gengar, Choice Garchomp, and bringing up the end game wrecking ball Volanora.
I'm hoping Gengar packs enough punch behind his Sludge Bomb to kill it. At the very least he should be able to dent it enough for Scizor to swing in in and mop it up. Starmie will also pack thunderbolt so I'm hoping I have enough coverage on the mon Azumaril won't get criticals on to take it out of the game.
Aqua jet means that he'll go in before all of them (unless they have their own priority move), and with life orb, it'll guarantee a OHKO against every member of your team with the exception of starmie, who is OHKO'd 43.75% of the time.
Scizor can kill it after a bellydrum with bullet punch, assuming he has a choice band, but if Azumarill invests enough into speed (124 EVs, assuming adamant nature), a bulky build won't be able to stop him.
Granted, it needs a turn to switch in for bellydrum, but it only needs to get in once, and a pokemon like choice Garchomp makes it a really easy switch.
Fafnir wrote: Aqua jet means that he'll go in before all of them (unless they have their own priority move), and with life orb, it'll guarantee a OHKO against every member of your team with the exception of starmie, who is OHKO'd 43.75% of the time.
Scizor can kill it after a bellydrum with bullet punch, assuming he has a choice band, but if Azumarill invests enough into speed (124 EVs, assuming adamant nature), a bulky build won't be able to stop him.
Granted, it needs a turn to switch in for bellydrum, but it only needs to get in once, and a pokemon like choice Garchomp makes it a really easy switch.
Hmmm. Could swap Starmie for Tentacruel and replace Volcanora with something more versatile to make up for it. Could also dump the choice on Chomp, give him a dragon plate or something, and send him in with a nasty surprise (Poison Jab).
See, the nice thing about this gen is that it brings back a lot of options that gen 5 kind of killed off, and a bunch of new ones to boot.
The bad thing is that some of these new options are absolutely terrifying.
My original intention was to have CB Dragonite with extremespeed on standby to hit him the moment he came in. With stealth rock support, that's a guaranteed kill after a belly drum. But it looks like that won't be the case, since extreemspeed on Dragonite requires HG/SS. Earthquake will also net the kill, but it also means suffering around 66-78% damage from Aqua jet in the process, effectively crippling Dragonite. Granted, multiscale cuts the damage in half, but that requires Dragonite to be at full health, which is difficult to guarantee at such a clutch moment.
I have one of those Dratini on HG at the moment if that is any help. Untrained and Unused as far as I know. Granted, you can't get him over to the new games until Pokémon Bank opens in december, but she's there if needed.
Fafnir wrote: My original intention was to have CB Dragonite with extremespeed on standby to hit him the moment he came in. With stealth rock support, that's a guaranteed kill after a belly drum. But it looks like that won't be the case, since extreemspeed on Dragonite requires HG/SS. Earthquake will also net the kill, but it also means suffering around 66-78% damage from Aqua jet in the process, effectively crippling Dragonite. Granted, multiscale cuts the damage in half, but that requires Dragonite to be at full health, which is difficult to guarantee at such a clutch moment.
Speaking of extreme speed, what about Arcanine? He's more than fast enough and hits hard.
Funny you say that, since I actually have one bred and ready to go for UU play.
The problem with Arcanine is twofold. First of all, he requires a choiceband to ensure the kill with extremespeed after a bellydrum, and even then, you need stealth rock up to finish the job against the bulkier builds, which a team running BD Azumarill would likely be aware of, and do its best to prevent. The problem here is that Arcanine relies on its wide coverage in its movepool to get its job done. It can't rely on constantly switching in and out like a normal CB user, since his fire typing means stealth rock will crush him.
The other problem facing Arcanine is its speed. It's enough to beat Azumarill, yes, but against other OU threats, it just doesn't really stand up. 95 base speed can handle a lot of UU, but against what would threaten it in OU, it just leaves him far too vulnerable.
He can beat BD Azumaril, but it causes Arcanine to lose too much utility to do it, and he can't really bring enough to the table to justify it either. What's more, if you predict wrong, and it's not BD Azumarill, Arcanine is going to die the most horrible of horrible deaths.
Scizor might still be the best shot but I'd need to invest in speed and attack.
What about an Assault Vest Scizor? He can maintain the bulk of a Scizor with SpDef EV's freeing those EV's to go into speed instead. Mega Scizor might work to but I don't know the hard numbers behind his defensive stat boosts.
AV scizor won't be able to OHKO with a bullet punch, even after a belly drum (keep in mind, even after the BD, Azumarill is still crazy bulky, and that water/fairy typing neutralizes the potentially lethal steel weakness). And BD Azumarill will most certainly kill him. It's the choice band that seals the deal.
Granted, it's not all bad. Belly Drum takes time to set up. So long as you can keep up consistent offensive pressure, Azumarill shouldn't be able to safely switch in. On the downside, the moment you see that the enemy has an Azumarill, Garchomp and Volcarona simply won't be able to enter play until it's dealt with, since they both can give it a free setup.
I don't know Pokemath, but a full Attack EV on Garchomp with Poison Jab, any idea what that would do? I imagine Azu would love to switch in on a dragon making it a good set up.
You're looking to deal 80-94% off of the one hit with CB. Even without it, you're looking at 52-64%. Assuming your opponent takes the lure and doesn't try to scout it, Azumarill is crippled. But you can't switch in on it, since Aqua Jet will still OHKO you after the BD.
Yeah but looking at it once Azumarill gets going I can't think of a way to stop it. Scald of Tentacruel if I'm lucky might neuter it a little but that's 30% chance.
Yep. It's looking like the best option here is to simply make sure it never gets the chance to set up in the first place. That means that we'll be walking on eggshells the moment one shows up in team preview, but it's better to be overcautious than dead. Just make sure that as soon as you see Azumarill on the enemy team, you always have something out that will be able to take it out/shut it down when it comes in. Your opponent will likely be looking for any opportunity to get a safe switch in, so your job is to make sure that safe switches don't happen, under any circumstance and for any reason.
Rgr I might be on in a bit I assume you're looking for Scyther? Do you have the Iron Coat yet? (can't remember where its found)
Yeah a Scyther, Unfortunately I haven't found that yet as I had a change of heart and wanted a Squirtle instead of a charmander. So I restarted... I always do this...
I've finished breeding my 31/31/31/x/31/31 Dragonites (one male and one female, excellent!) with marvel scale, and have plenty of extras with 4-5 perfect IVs (the adamants all have 4 perfect IVs, and the other natures vary between 4 and 5).
Oof, I learned a quick lesson on battling online: Always have someone that can mega-evolve in your party >.>
Also, I can't wait for my Alakazam and Gyarados to get their stones to mega-evolve.
Also, Fafnir, do you have any Larvitars? Doesn't need to be perfect or anything...I just love those guys! Ha. Also, I was looking to trade for a Houndour if anyone has one.
Remind me where to find my friend code and I'll post it up. I picked Chespin as my starter and now have a main team of four, including an Azurill named Dovakiin.
Remind me where to find my friend code and I'll post it up. I picked Chespin as my starter and now have a main team of four, including an Azurill named Dovakiin.
DS main menu. click the smiley face at the top, its the code on your card thing
Also, Fafnir, do you have any Larvitars? Doesn't need to be perfect or anything...I just love those guys! Ha. Also, I was looking to trade for a Houndour if anyone has one.
Plenty. My in-game name is Mute, so just request a trade if you see me in game, and I'll give you one.
I always do this...