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The project is now live! Y ou can visit the page here!
The GDF faction is the most military force in the Counterblast Adventure Battle Game. It offers a wide selection of species that may be included, in addition to the very best in weaponry and equipment available. This makes any GDF Crew an extremely capable force.
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The Edo faction of the Counterblast Adventure Battle Game is a creature force complimented by broad mind control abilities. Wielding formidable arc technology as well as the energies of the cosmic flux, the monstrous Edo offer players an unusual force supported by alien weaponry and psychic power.
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The Mekkus faction in the Counterblast Adventure Battle Game is almost exclusively mechanical in nature. Its modular construction facilitates easy weapon and mode of transportation upgrades for its various troops. While many Mekkus are slow compared to their organic counterparts, they are usually more heavily armored and difficult to destroy. This faction also includes fast attack troops and a troop capable of repairing other friendly units, making any Mekkus crew a challenging and defendable force.
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The Neiran faction of the COUNTERBLAST: Adventure Battle Game offers players an exotic fighting force that is swift and powerful. Its unique weaponry, mighty fighting beasts, and fearless, hardy warriors make the Neirans an extremely formidable force with which to do battle.
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The Lancer faction offers players the most flexibility and customizability in choosing their force. It has the widest selection of not only species that can be included, but weaponry and other types of equipment as well, making the Lancer crew extremely versatile whatever the mission.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
As a very happy backer of one of their previous KS project I can safely recommend this if you like the look of the figures and/or rules
so make sure to keep an eye on it
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Post by: BrookM
Really looking forward to the rules and fluff on this one.
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Post by: streamdragon
I must have the cat sniper shown in the concept art.
I must.
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Post by: JoeRugby
I'm always in the market for more alien figs even the occasional furrie. And the 2sculpts on that page look top notch.
If they do a not-Bucky O'hare crew I'll have no choice but to pick them up
What are the other rules l like Orlandothetechnicoloured and BrookM?
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Post by: BrookM
Not much known about either the rules or fluff yet, though this setting oozes with raygun gothic, which is good enough for me.
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Post by: erratyk
At this point the fluff and the rules are taking a backseat to the whole "I need those models in my life" feeling lol
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Post by: Dr Coconut
If I have the money, I will be in on this
Don't know what I would use them for, but I like the look
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
JoeRugby wrote:I'm always in the market for more alien figs even the occasional furrie. And the 2sculpts on that page look top notch.
If they do a not-Bucky O'hare crew I'll have no choice but to pick them up
What are the other rules l like Orlandothetechnicoloured and BrookM?
there might be other hints in their previous ship KS as it is intended for counterblast
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bombshellminis/scout-ship-miniature-kit?ref=users
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Post by: BrookM
For those who haven't, you can get a free preview PDF showcasing some of the setting, factions and rules here: http://bombshell-miniatures.highwire.com/product/counterblast-preview-pdf
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Post by: Grot 6
This looks pretty cool.
Kinda like some Firefly action on steriods.
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Post by: Sculptdude
We've added the update for the introduction on the Neiran Empire. Check it out there.
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Post by: JoeRugby
I just saw these on the site and was going to post a link here
Another very clean sculpt.
I'm a bit confused by the space babes concept (ill re read) i thought they were supposed to be very sophisticated, advanced but these look more tribal and low tech.
I'm reminded of the four armed green aliens in john carter
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Post by: Sculptdude
Yes - they are supposed to be reminiscent of the Tharks as well as several other sci-fi cultures. Their conquest has allowed them the acquisition of technology to expand their empire, but their culture remains very traditional in appearance.
We have imparted several influences from popular sci-fi and fantasy cultures to make them familiar yet unique.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Beautiful minis.
Very interested in the mechanics of the game. Look to be d10 based and I like that stat cards are in the rules (hopefully available separately?).
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks! Glad you like the look of them.
Yes, the stat cards will be included in the book and digital version. We plan to make the cards available with the models and in faction sets.
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We have added a brief look and one of the other factions for Counterblast called the Mekkus.
All the details are here.
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Strange cephalopods with bizarre mental powers, the Edofleini have recently emerged from the farthest voids of space to invade the known galaxy. What has brought them to the Milky Way is unknown and their motives are uncertain, but encounters with the Edo, as they are more commonly called, are sure to provoke hostilities. Linked as a race to the cosmic flux through bioengineering and wielding exotic arc technology, the Edo potential for menace is high. So far, neither the Galactic Defense Force or the Neiran Empire have been able to communicate with them successfully. Fortunately their forces encountered to date have been small, but some military experts fear these groups are merely scouting missions for a much, much larger force.
Edo Leader with Arc Rod
Collectively the Edo are seeking to form colonies within this new area of the galaxy known as the Outer Reaches. Fleeing from their home systems where they have stripped the resources bare, vast coral-formed ships drift onward to search for Ultonium deposits. Assured of its existence in this area of the galaxy, the Edo will eradicate any infestation that threatens their claim to extract the essential ore.
Edo Underlings with Arc Pistols
Colonies are generally scouted by a bloated Overmind who seeks to establish an area to deposit a spawning pool and begin cultivating more Edo underlings. These underlings are herded by wicked Leaders who carry out the mental commands of the Overmind and manintain order in the colony.
Edo Guardling with Arc Halberd
The Edo faction of the Counterblast Adventure Battle Game is a creature force complimented by broad mind control abilities. Wielding formidable arc technology as well as the energies of the cosmic flux, the monstrous Edo offer players an unusual force supported by alien weaponry and psychic power.
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Post by: weeble1000
Yea, I'm officially excited about Counterblast now. The Edo are awesome.
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Post by: Jeff Cope
I'm interested if these are plastic, or at least resin. But, no metal.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Plastic would surely be awesome, but is that something even in the works?
I too am liking the Edo. I've been wanting some evil looking octopi for a while. Those guys will serve that role well.
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Post by: monders
Those Edo have won me over.
Hurry up and launch this KS!
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks all! I'm glad you are as excited about these guys as I am.
If the Edo were plastic it would make bending the tentacles to re-pose them very difficult. As of now, all of the Counterblast releases are planned for metal.
However! We have been doing lots of research into plastics production for the future. Unfortunately, as new as we are, we just don't have the customer base to support massive plastics production yet like CMoN, Mantic and Reaper.
We do have some large kits designed and can only see them as being plastic, but that will take some growth for us to get to the point where we can produce them without bankruptcy.
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Post by: Gallahad
This looks like a fun and refreshing setting, and I am liking all of the sculpts so far.
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Post by: weeble1000
Awesome! This is looking really good. You keep this up and you are going to suck me in.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Do those neck rings suggest you might be able to supply clear bubble helms in the future?
(I have vague memories that you were tinkering with a vacu-former around the time of the Bombshell Babes KS)
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Post by: Necros
Everything is looking great. Looking forward to the Kickstarter
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Post by: Grot 6
So much for swearing off the KS stuff for the year......
THESE are the figures your looking for!!!
amazing sculpts, and a really good concept.
Wish I could hit that lottery and get them all.
Love the squids, Need me a fighting machine, and go on ahead and call it day.
UUUUUULLLLLAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Captain Vyper
These figs remind me a lot of the "Betas" from the old starchild publication's RPG "Justifiers", and the little eye ball guy as one of the characters from Evan Dorkin's Pirate Corps comics. Will have to keep an eye on this one.
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks everyone! Wa are really stoked about the project and looking forward to showing more.
The squid aliens will have two different sized tripod walker vehicles.
Helmets are in the works. I already have versions in ZBrush and CAD ready for plastic injection molding. We just need the funding to make it happen.
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Post by: BrookM
Bubble helmets? They WILL happen.
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Post by: JoeRugby
Liking the minis for the GDF but I'm not liking the guns, just looks off to me(on the first mini, it looks ok on the second). Will the minis be mostly one piece casts?
I think the lancers are still my favorite of the factions you've done so far, and their the ones I'm looking forward too the most?
If the uk postage is reasonable then you've got a backer here.
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Post by: Sculptdude
Here is what I posted about the Pulsar Rifles over in the FB Counterblast Group.
Most GDF Pulsar weapons are designed by Illyrian Engineering and not always "human centric". The Alanti have had a terrible time retrofitting their space suit designs to accommodate the human's primate physiology as well.
Here is the brand new 3D print of the IE Pulsar rifle compared to a Mars Pattern Adeptus Astares Bolt Gun. These 3D prints are being mastered in metal right now and will be replaced on all of the GDF sculpts before they go to mold. The metal masters you see in these preview pics are previous editions.
Here is what is currently at the foundry being cast prior to launching the project. I will be using some of these on the sculpts themselves.
Shipping to the UK will be actual shipping costs. We will be running fulfillment through our web store just like we did on the Scout Ship Kickstarter project. You can read about that here.
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Grot 6 wrote:Are there some of these miniatures available over at Reaper? They seem to have a few close to it, if not the same style over in there...
Yes. Of the ones you posted that are sculpted by Patrick Keith (me), they are the prototype pieces I sold to Reaper many years back when I pitched the game idea to them.
Here are a few more:
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/patrick%20keith/sku-down/50136
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/patrick%20keith/sku-down/50132
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/patrick%20keith/sku-down/50129
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/patrick%20keith/sku-down/50131
Fortunately with the way Reaper does business, I retain all the rights to my work and they keep the casting rights on the pieces I sold to them.
You will see all new models of Mrrowl and Jessica for Counterblast from Airlock Games. The Andromedans have been retooled as the Neiran and the Illyrians (like Sparg and the Scout) will have all new models as well.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Your female Andromedan hunter is in my Ground Zero Games Romanov army as a sniper
Love the overall character of your minis.
Looking forward to hearing more about the actual gameplay for CB.
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Post by: Wirecat
In the NEWS:
Thus, all this ray gun insanity is supposed to start THIS WEEK.
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Post by: BrookM
Damn it!
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Post by: streamdragon
This
and this
I must have these models. HURRY UP AND LET ME GIVE YOU MY MONEY!
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Post by: weeble1000
streamdragon wrote:This
and this
I must have these models. HURRY UP AND LET ME GIVE YOU MY MONEY!
I am not a fan of cat people, but I really love that top image! That is awesome!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Bulgy eyed amphibian astronaut looks right up my alley.
This is supposed to start this week, right? How many more days are we expected to wait patiently? Jeez.
Looking forward to seeing what's in store for us!
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Post by: Rolt
Awesome love the cat lady sniper and the shinaar as a whole, lancer faction looks like its going to be really cool.
The shinaar would make a real good counts-as for the yindji from deadzone, at the very least I'll have to pick some of these up for that.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Next week already started, didn't it?
Any chance we'll be seeing more ship kits during the campaign?
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Post by: Nostromodamus
So this starts tomorrow (Friday)?
Does anyone know what time it starts?
I don't use Facebook so I don't know if they posted this info yet...
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Thanks for the enthusiasm everyone! We are very excited to get the project started.
I am currently putting some finishing touches on a few of the sculpts. The backer level graphics still need to be updated with the new pics. The movie is rendered and we even have a little gameplay summary movie with just a hint of how the game works. Brett is finishing up the rules preview pdf and that should be ready to post along with the other items.
The plan is to launch Friday the 14th.
As soon as everything is done.
I will post an announcement here and update the main post on the first page.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I'm going nuts waiting for this to launch, lol...
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Post by: BrookM
Same, though I'm about to turn in, so I'll hopefully wake up with a new project to back in the morning.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
What's the difference between the regular and early bird pledges?
Just the fact that you got in first?
I'm into gloating and bragging rights...
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Post by: Sculptdude
highlord tamburlaine wrote:What's the difference between the regular and early bird pledges?
Just the fact that you got in first?
I'm into gloating and bragging rights...
It helps us manage our fulfillment schedule better.
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Post by: prankster
Yeah, took me a little while to work out that the only difference is expected delivery dates. Might have been clearer to call them waves rather than EB slots. Many people expect EB to be cheaper.
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Post by: BrookM
Awesome, in for a $55 early bird!
edit.
I'm actually surprised that the rocket ship isn't in as an add-on.
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Post by: weeble1000
BrookM wrote:Awesome, in for a $55 early bird!
edit.
I'm actually surprised that the rocket ship isn't in as an add-on.
F-it. I'm in! The video sold me.
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Post by: Joyboozer
I'm in, the concept art is awesome, please stick to it!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I kinda wonder if the rocketship ends up as an add on at some point.
Seems like a good fit, especially if there's rules to use it somehow. Or not. It's a neat model.
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Post by: streamdragon
In for $100 but that will probably go up as I figure out which starter sets and which add-on models I want.
I was (and am) extremely tempted to go for the Ultonium level though. Might be easier to sell the game on my friends if they don't have to buy anything to start and I get a bunch of awesome models.
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Post by: cincydooley
Are all these minis metal?
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Thanks. I love Patricks sculpting but don't have a ton of interest in more metal minis. :-/
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Post by: Zond
I love the sculpts and want to pledge for all the starter sets but the customs will kill it for me. Hope North America enjoys and I'll maybe pick up some when there's a UK distributor.
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Post by: Sikil
Pledged for a starter, but might get a second starter as well later on!
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Post by: Dr Mathias
Is the rulebook going to be available in hard copy at some point? The miniatures look great!
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Post by: monkeytroll
Jumped in for a starter, although I know I'll being putting some add-ons in there before it closes.
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Post by: BrookM
I'm actually missing a rules only pledge if I'm being totes honest.
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Post by: weeble1000
BrookM wrote:I'm actually missing a rules only pledge if I'm being totes honest. Indeed. Although it may be in Airlock's interest to make the rules freely available, or at least a stripped down version of the book with just the rules. If I am being totally honest, the pledge levels do seem a little steep considering that right now the starter sets only include 5 models and a .pdf rulebook (rules+scenarios does not two books make). Not that I don't want Counterblast to do well, mind, but it seems like the unlocks for the starter sets should really be part of the basic set at $55. That said, I personally don't pledge for the rewards so it makes no nevermind to me. However, it may be that it is better for Airlock in the long run to keep the sets confined to 5 models if the campaign only gets to 60K. Again, I don't pledge for the rewards so if that's what it takes for Airlock to come out of the KS happy, healthy, and producing more Counterblast stuff, that's perfectly fine with me. But it might turn some backers off until those extra three models get unlocked.
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Post by: BrookM
If the rules are good, I'll gladly pay for them. At this stage I am personally more interested in the rules than most of the models on offer, not a big fan of the anthro scene.
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks for the great feedback! We have been pressed to get everything done by launch time so the offering may have seemed a little thin until I could get some of the graphics updated.
We will be posting our first update shortly and it will include a link to the CORE RULES PREVIEW[i] as a FREE PDF which you will be able to download right from the main project page!
The Core Rules PDF and Scenario Guide PDF have been added to the ADD-ons section. The means you can back at the SPACE CADET level and get the rules PDFs al'a carte like the other models.
The Prototype models have been added to to the ADD-Ons section.
The following Stretch Goals have been posted.
FUNDING GOAL - $60,000 - Selected backer levels will receive a FREE Science Officer H. Salinger model. She will also be available as an ADD-On for $10
$ ??? - REINFORCEMENTS - Each Faction Core Set will unlock an additional model for FREE!
$ ??? - Add-On - Each faction unlocks 1 new model as an ADD-ON.
$ ???- Add-On - Complete Rulebook Print & PDF available as an ADD-ON.
$ ??? - REINFORCEMENTS - Each Faction Core Set will unlock an additional model for FREE!
I will update those goal amounts as we get closer to funding.
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Awesome, thanks!
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MISSION UPDATE 1
IMPORTANT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROJECT
A new backer level called SPACE CADET DOWNLOAD has been posted. This is another a'la carte level for international backers to get the offered PDFs without being billed shipping for the pledge. Keep in mind that if you back at this level and select physical rewards we will not send them unless you make arrangements to cover shipping.
The printed copy of the Complete Rulebook is now available as a $25 ADD-ON to any pledge level. This includes a FREE copy of the Complete Rulebook PDF if you select this reward. The Core Rules PDF and Scenario Guide PDF have been combined into the Complete Rulebook PDF and is also listed in the in the ADD-ons section for $15.
The CORE RULES PREVIEW as a FREE PDF is now available to download right from the main project page and here! This Free Preview does not include the Scenarios, Campaign Rules, nor Faction Model Stats, and does not include everything needed to play.
The Prototype models have been added to to the ADD-Ons section.
The following Stretch Goals have been revised.
FUNDING GOAL - $60,000 - Selected backer levels will receive a FREE Science Officer H. Salinger model. You can also select her as an ADD-ON for an additional pledge amount of $10.
$65,000 - REINFORCEMENT - The Lancer Faction Core Set will unlock an additional HOpR Bot for FREE!
$70,000 - ADD-ON - The Edo Scutter will unlock as an available choice for the additional pledge amount of $12
$75,000 - REINFORCEMENT - The Neiran Empire Faction Core Set will unlock an additional Clansister model for FREE!
$80,000 - ADD-ON - The GDF Combot will unlock as an available choice for the additional pledge amount shown!
$85,000 - REINFORCEMENT - The Mekkus Faction Core Set will unlock an additional Defender model for FREE!
AND MORE . . . !
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I've read through the core rules .pdf a couple of times now and it's a really nice system. Fairly easy to get to grips with but plenty deep enough. Campaigns should be a blast!
Lots of sweet new add-ones to pick from too. I'm especially liking the physical rulebook option. Nothing beats that new book smell!
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Thanks Alex! We appreciate the feedback!
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No problem!
I'm looking forward to finding out what the GDF Combot looks like. Something comparable to the Edo Scutter?
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Post by: BrookM
Oh dear - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airlockgames/counterblast-adventure-battle-game/posts/754345
HANG IN THERE!
First of all, regardless of how this turns out, We want to go on record and thank you all very, very much for your comments, suggestions, advice, etc., and support. It is much appreciated!!! Ya'll are awesome!!!
The momentum on the current project has clearly stalled but we are not abandoning hope! The staff here at the Bomb Factory has been burning the candle at both ends along with the midnight oil to crunch numbers and retool the entire project. But to do that we would have to close the current project.
With a LOWER INITIAL FUNDING GOAL, an ALL NEW BUILD of the BACKER REWARD LEVELS with MORE MINIS per backer level, a PRINTED RULEBOOK right from the start, additional BACKER LEVELS and many more options to customize your support of the Counterblast Adventure Battle Game.
it will take a couple of days to rework some stuff and complete the approval on it but we have listened to your suggestions and implemented as many as were feasible.
We understand many of you will jump ship in anticipation of migrating to the new project. We ask that you maintain your current backer status in oder to receive the updates from this project announcing the new version!
We will be posting another update soon covering all the details about migrating current backers to the new project. We will also have an an updated preview of the new project to give you an idea of what it will look before it launches.
Again, thanks very much for hanging in their with us! We will keep you posted!
The Counterblast Team
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Post by: Necros
I think it's a good thing. They will lose some backers along the way, but a new and more focused campaign with goals that are much easier to achieve will likely do much better than the campaign as it is right now.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
I've been talking over PMs about this project, but hadn't piped up lest I be "that guy", but it looks like the campaign creators have cottoned onto what I intuited some time ago. So, here are my thoughts on this project, in no particular order;
The Funding point is wildly higher then contemporaneous campaigns:
$60,000? For some perspective, that's twice the initial funding goal of Shadows of Brimstone, almost twice the cost of KD:M, and $10,000 more then the initial funding goals ($50,000) of Deadzone, Mars Attacks and Wrath of Kings.
This isn't to devolve into a question of 'How can they do so much more with so much less?", rather my point is to note that by having a lower stretch goal, in each case they were able to more quickly go from the uncertainty of "funding" into the emotionally rewarding period of meeting and adding stretch goals. As can be seen here, being unable to meet the initial funding goal quickly means that the interregnum between opening burst and final scramble is even more uneventful.
The Rewards...
To be blunt, the value of the deal presented is... perplexing. The faction starters are running roughly the retail price of an Infinity starter/Sectoral pack, but even the Early Birds are a six-month delay. There is an adage in accounting: Money today is worth more then Money Tomorrow. So yes, there are some extra fillips (2 LEs and a PDF of the rules), but paying six-months ahead of time...
It's also worth pointing out that two of the four faction starters (Edo and GDF) initially consist of a single leader model and two pairs of repeated models. I don't pretend to understand what Airlock Games' manufacturing, pricing or logistics are like: but, I do know what competing metal models are going for. The price point, even if one is buying during the KS campaign, for this game seems to be very much on the boutique end of pricing for metal models.
That's probably enough to start. Let me say that there are some very interesting ideas on display here and I wish Patrick and his team all the best, but I'm honestly uncertain that this project can be hammered into the mold of other six-figure-plus campaigns, which seemed to be the initial intent.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Making a game is always going to be harder than just making minis,
You need more (paid) talent to design the game which is tricky if you don't have a credit line to cover any shortfall in the target
And as soon as you get factions backers will get upset if they don't see their faction getting some love in the near future
And you'll put off those who don't want to pay for 'unwanted' rules unless you have a minis only pledge, but as soon as you do you've got to fewer people actually paying for the rules
hopefully Patrick & Co can find a way to turn this around (launch with 2 factions & save the rest for another KS if nessesary?), but it is a tricky one
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Post by: Nostromodamus
I like the ruleset, but have just lost the enthusiasm for this project that I had before it launched.
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Alex C wrote:I like the ruleset, but have just lost the enthusiasm for this project that I had before it launched.
Yea, I'm out. And I don't think I'll be backing the next one. My enthusiasm has waned. I like the work Airlock is doing, but it doesn't seem to me like it is being handled well, and I don't love it enough to throw money at it just 'cause. That project was going to fund. Even at 60K it was going to fund. Maybe not much more than 60, but if their goal is to run a blockbuster campaign instead of getting the game off to a start I'm done.
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I'm really sorry to hear how quickly some of you have turned on the project. We didn't build the initial project to be some "blockbuster runaway" event. We were very fearful we would not be able to recoup the costs we have already invested in the project. We are not giant companies with established resources and target audiences. That was why the goal was set as high as it was.
I'm going to repost a my reply in the comments section from earlier but I don't know if will do much good.
"how are you able to afford to cut required funding in half?"
We're really not. The new build doesn't include a lot of the perks we were going to drop into the backer levels along the way nor does it cover compensation for the months of work the team has already put into the project or any of the capital we have already spent on launching it. So the $20k+ we have already spent on art, advertising, etc. is just a write-off. This just covers producing the new models and printing the book. That means that the 24 sculpts that I have already completed for this project I will not get paid for. And this is what I do for a living. So I would basically be donating the sculpts to the project. It would be the equivalent of you boss coming to you and saying, “Hey, we have anew project. We can’t afford to fund it so we’ll need for you to work for free one week a month for the next three months.”
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Sculptdude wrote:I'm really sorry to hear how quickly some of you have turned on the project. We didn't build the initial project to be some "blockbuster runaway" event. We were very fearful we would not be able to recoup the costs we have already invested in the project. We are not giant companies with established resources and target audiences. That was why the goal was set as high as it was.
I'm going to repost a my reply in the comments section from earlier but I don't know if will do much good.
"how are you able to afford to cut required funding in half?"
We're really not. The new build doesn't include a lot of the perks we were going to drop into the backer levels along the way nor does it cover compensation for the months of work the team has already put into the project or any of the capital we have already spent on launching it. So the $20k+ we have already spent on art, advertising, etc. is just a write-off. This just covers producing the new models and printing the book. That means that the 24 sculpts that I have already completed for this project I will not get paid for. And this is what I do for a living. So I would basically be donating the sculpts to the project. It would be the equivalent of you boss coming to you and saying, “Hey, we have anew project. We can’t afford to fund it so we’ll need for you to work for free one week a month for the next three months.”
I get the high goal. What I don't get is why you pulled out of a campaign with 30k of 60k funded and 28 days to go. No, you don't get my backing again. That project was in all likelihood going to fund, and if it didn't you could try again. Instead, you pulled out without giving it a chance. What am I supposed to expect, that you thought you couldn't raise another 30 grand in 28 days? If you're not willing to commit to the project, you can get my money via retail, not up front with me shouldering your risk.
There are more deserving projects on Kickstarter.
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Post by: Sculptdude
weeble1000 wrote:I get the high goal. What I don't get is why you pulled out of a campaign with 30k of 60k funded and 28 days to go. No, you don't get my backing again. That project was in all likelihood going to fund, and if it didn't you could try again.
First of all, I haven't "pulled out". We ARE trying again. Like Necros and Buzzsaw mentioned, a lot of backers have been suggesting ways to restructure the backer levels to add value to what is offered in the Core Sets and the rulebook. Unfortunately the way Kickstarter works is that we cannot edit the backer levels nor the the funding goal once the project is launched. Once a reward has been selected by at least one backer only the quantity can be modified.
In order to do that, we have to launch another project with the corrected levels in place. It is in no way abandoning the material. It’s actually quite the opposite.
In all likelihood, the way it is structured now, it is not going to fund because there are not enough backers willing to contribute to the project right now the way it is laid out. If you are just going by the “trending” graph on Kicktraq, that will continue to drop daily as time increases but the funding amount does not. I don’t think it’s fair to our backers to make them languish for a month only to have the project not fund at the end. That is why we have scaled back our initial offering to mainly the rulebook and initial starting miniatures.
I would rather see the project fund early, even if we offered no stretch goals, secure in the fact that the material was going to get made that was funded, rather than waiting a month with only half of the funds raised and get to produce nothing at the end of it.
weeble1000 wrote:Instead, you pulled out without giving it a chance. What am I supposed to expect, that you thought you couldn't raise another 30 grand in 28 days? If you're not willing to commit to the project, you can get my money via retail, not up front with me shouldering your risk.
We did give it a chance by launching it. I AM willing to commit to the project, by addressing your concerns, spending time replying to this post, rebuilding all of the graphics and restructuring the funding project so that it DOES fund, doing additional sculpts I won’t get paid for, and generally sinking more of my effort into figuring out a way that we can make this game happen. Wednesday, Bret, Vicky and I met for six hours just to discuss how we could HELP the game and find a way to get it made for the people who wanted it.
weeble1000 wrote:There are more deserving projects on Kickstarter.
That may be the case. But can you explain how the merit of the material has changed simply because we want to restructure the funding project to add value to it? Has the writing or rules changed somehow? Is the sculpting less quality now? Have the art or designs changed? It evidently hasn’t because you feel willing to purchase it retail afterwards.
I can’t see how pledging to a project only to have it not fund at the end is shouldering ANY risk. If it doesn’t fund, you aren’t billed and the project goes away and doesn’t get made. Our track record shows that if it DOES fund, you will get your stuff.
How is that a bad thing?
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Post by: monkeytroll
I'm happy to wait for a restructured relaunch. It's been mentioned before how KS campaigns can't be adjusted after launch, so it makes sense to restart if they want to change the structure of the pledges. Been very happy with previous campaigns run by Patrick, and see nothing to make me think this one will be any different - just maybe a bit later than expected
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Post by: Grot 6
I'm not seeing the reason for the negative vibes, Moriarity.
Project looks good to me, eitherway. Looking at some of the talent here, as well? you KNOW the things going to work out, it just takes the proper amount of scratch to make it happen.
Going to let the dust settle a bit, but I'll be getting in on them, as well.
Still love those figures.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
They've posted on the reaper Forum that they plan to re-launch on Monday
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Post by: Sculptdude
You beat me to it!
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Post by: Necros
EEK.. I almost missed the early bird.
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Post by: Zond
The variable shipping costs for international backers could be a bit sucky.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Unfortunately Drake and Dreadball have all my monies now. Good luck with the relaunch though!
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Post by: Sculptdude
We have retooled the stretch goals, offered the book up front, and unlocked all of the included minis in the Faction Core Sets. PLUS we are adding cool FREEBIES to just about every other stretch goal making the pledge levels a better and better deal as it goes along.
We are about this close --->] [<--- to making clear plastic bubble helmets available not just for our figures, but for most other figures too.
Brett and I are working on a totally new gameplay demo that details the turn sequence and gameplay mechanics that will be posted shortly.
Stay tuned!
Patrick
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Post by: Guildsman
Ooh, those are cool. Definitely a distinctive element for the range.
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Post by: Sculptdude
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Post by: Grot 6
Those really look like some good looking figures there. Theres a definate "Heavy Metal" vibe to the project.
Add in those from reaper, and some of those pulp ships I've been seeing, and away we go!!!!
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks Grot 6 and Guildsman!
I really dig the Stern segment from the Heavy Metal film and I'm sure some of that influence has leaked into my designs!
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Post by: SavageRobby
In. I like the look of the Edo and Mekkus factions a lot.
Question - there are models in the video that don't appear in the starter sets (Skip, Wanda, etc). They're just add ons? Which faction?
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Post by: Sculptdude
Those character models are sort of "factionless" at this point and can be used as Lancers or GDF agents.
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Post by: Sculptdude
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Post by: Dr Mathias
That firebot looks fantastic. Knockout painting on that ocular sensor!
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Post by: Grot 6
Really like the look of those add ons, I'm really going to have to be good if I'm going to get in on some of those critters and bots.
Are those robots in parts, or are they cast like that? Any different heads, or other added arms and legs?
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks for the kind words on the painting. Will pass that on to Vicky.
The bot on the far left has separate arms and head. We will be making other options further along.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
I'm rather shocked that this thread has been fallow so long; the campaign is funded, but (like this thread it seems) has stalled a bit at $30k.
It is a bit on the higher price side for a kickstarter, but I know from experience that Patrick and Co follow through and have a lot of back-end experience on miniature projects.
Personally, I'm probably going to throw in a pledge for the most recently unlocked sniper model;
I would guess at lest one or two more unlocks are likely before the campaign ends;
In any case, the campaign is closing at 10 PM EST, so not too much longer to wait on things!
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
I am liking the design of the edo scutter and that hurricane/spitfire jet bike is awesome!
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Post by: Sculptdude
Thanks For the bump Buzzsaw!
Jehan-reznor - those models will eventually see production even though it would be nice to unlock the Scutter to make them right away.
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Post by: Alpharius
This one likely fell victim to the various Chibi Kickstarters that launched during this one, along with MERCS and Dwarven Forge and...etc.
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Post by: streamdragon
Backed, but this is my first time doing add-ons for a pledge.
I wanted to grab the cat-sniper model,a long with 2 faction sets. So I chose the $95 level, but backed for $103. Did I do that right? I think I did, but wanted to be sure.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
streamdragon wrote:Backed, but this is my first time doing add-ons for a pledge.
I wanted to grab the cat-sniper model,a long with 2 faction sets. So I chose the $95 level, but backed for $103. Did I do that right? I think I did, but wanted to be sure.
That's exactly correct!
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Post by: Sculptdude
Alpharius wrote:This one likely fell victim to the various Chibi Kickstarters that launched during this one, along with MERCS and Dwarven Forge and...etc.
Yep. It's been pretty brutal this time around. We're sticking in there though. Lots of dedicated fans and backers have been along for the ride.
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Post by: Gallahad
I feel a bit hypocritical saying this since I ain't a backer (haven't backed anything at all now for a while) but this is definitely a campaign that I think deserves more success than it is seeing.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I don't know. I love Cthulhu and I love plastic, but I'm just not feeling this one. Maybe it's a presentation issue? Or maybe the whole Mine Cart fiasco has ruined niche-within-a-niche, "Cthulhu in [subgenre]" board games for me?
I hope it does well, though. I really do want to see some more plastic board game pieces on the market.
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Post by: Sculptdude
The project pool is getting more crowded all the time. It is very difficult to have a project run for a 3-4 week duration and not have it overshadowed by one or more megacorp projects at the same time. We looked at out launch window, and the production period required to make all the stuff we wanted to make and there were just a lot of other things launching, running, and ending at the same time.
All of the growth we have made in the past 48 hours has been offset by the same number of backers pulling their pledges, so the amount has remained the same.
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Post by: tre manor
Yeh Kickstarter has actually made it more difficult to be a small outfit. You either have to go big or go home. Before KS I bet that Counterblast would have been a VERY successful venture. The game has totally changed and not for the better in my opinion. Sorry for your trouble Patrick. I hope it works out int he end for you.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
BobtheInquisitor wrote:I don't know. I love Cthulhu and I love plastic, but I'm just not feeling this one. Maybe it's a presentation issue? Or maybe the whole Mine Cart fiasco has ruined niche-within-a-niche, "Cthulhu in [subgenre]" board games for me?
I hope it does well, though. I really do want to see some more plastic board game pieces on the market.
Did you mean to post this in a different thread?
On a more campaign related note, only $406 to go until the next unlock!
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Post by: Sculptdude
BobtheInquisitor wrote:I don't know. I love Cthulhu and I love plastic, but I'm just not feeling this one. Maybe it's a presentation issue? Or maybe the whole Mine Cart fiasco has ruined niche-within-a-niche, "Cthulhu in [subgenre]" board games for me?
I hope it does well, though. I really do want to see some more plastic board game pieces on the market.
I think this was in reference to the comment about our campaign falling victim to the launch of the Cthulhu Chibi project among many others running at the same time.
Tre - thanks for the great encouragement, man! You know more than anyone. Automatically Appended Next Post:
With less than FIVE HOURS left we've toppled SEVEN stretch goals so far! Next up is the Edo Scutter, a one-cephalopod walker armed with Arc Cannon and Pinchers.
Jump in now!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Buzzsaw wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:I don't know. I love Cthulhu and I love plastic, but I'm just not feeling this one. Maybe it's a presentation issue? Or maybe the whole Mine Cart fiasco has ruined niche-within-a-niche, "Cthulhu in [subgenre]" board games for me?
I hope it does well, though. I really do want to see some more plastic board game pieces on the market.
Did you mean to post this in a different thread?
Maybe. Maybe I have too many tabs open and am easily confused and tired and just want someone to tell me I'll be all right and where am I and can I have some orange juice and where are my slippers and why does my foot hurt, but most importantly: why are my pants wet.
Wait. Is this the thread about Patrick Keith's retro sci fi models with those Reaper-style Yllyrians and other aliens? Wow. There's not WW2 Cthulhu in there... (Right?)
Now I remember what I was going to ask in this thread: How much would it cost just to pledge for a couple of add on Mechus aggressors and defenders? Or should I just wait for retail?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, so the kickstarter has been over for a while now. I guess I need to refresh more often or pay attention or...
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Post by: streamdragon
6 month necrobump, but I wanted to say I received my models from the kickstarter pledge today. Haven't had a chance to dive into the rulebook itself, but the models look fantastic and I couldn't be happier with the money spent. Been awhile since I've worked with metal, and for three of the gals I'll have to figure out who gets which shotgun (I suspect the one with a tail gets the longer shotgun, since the other two guns/girls are identical ). Still, rulebook and models look great!
Anyone else back this and get their stuff?
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Post by: JoeRugby
Shipping was going to be a problem so I didn't back in the end if there's a UK seller I'll pick up some of the minis.
Where are the pics streamdragon? No teasing with new toys without showing the rest of us
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Bombshell stuff is now stocked by Wayland Games, so hopefully this lot will be coming over soon now the KS is fulfilling
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/bombshell-miniatures/cat_2406.html
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Post by: SavageRobby
I got my books and stuff. Have assembled and primed my Lancers and Edo, but haven't tackled the Mekkus yet. Nor have I done anything more than page through the rulebook.
The models are very nice. The Edo are a little fiddly, but nothing major.
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Post by: Malika2
Sculptdude wrote:We have retooled the stretch goals, offered the book up front, and unlocked all of the included minis in the Faction Core Sets. PLUS we are adding cool FREEBIES to just about every other stretch goal making the pledge levels a better and better deal as it goes along.
We are about this close --->] [<--- to making clear plastic bubble helmets available not just for our figures, but for most other figures too.
Brett and I are working on a totally new gameplay demo that details the turn sequence and gameplay mechanics that will be posted shortly.
Stay tuned!
Patrick
More info on this?
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Post by: streamdragon
Malika2 wrote: Sculptdude wrote:We have retooled the stretch goals, offered the book up front, and unlocked all of the included minis in the Faction Core Sets. PLUS we are adding cool FREEBIES to just about every other stretch goal making the pledge levels a better and better deal as it goes along.
We are about this close --->] [<--- to making clear plastic bubble helmets available not just for our figures, but for most other figures too.
Brett and I are working on a totally new gameplay demo that details the turn sequence and gameplay mechanics that will be posted shortly.
Stay tuned!
Patrick
More info on this?
Don't have pics (or my minis) at work, but I can confirm that models that should have helmets, came with clear plastic helmets. 2 shapes just like in the picture. Haven't started assembling or anything, so I can't speak to the fit, but I can at least tell you they're there and look good!
Edited to include quote since my post top-of-paged with no context.
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Post by: Space Ranger
I wish I had seen this before. I love retro sci-fi as you can probably guess by my name. I want to hear more!
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Post by: Gamingdog
Space Ranger wrote:I wish I had seen this before. I love retro sci-fi as you can probably guess by my name. I want to hear more!
You can buy them here if you want. http://bombshell-miniatures.highwire.com/products/faction-core-sets?pagesize=12
I have the rocket ship and a few of the miniatures the're very nice
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Post by: Space Ranger
Great! Thanks! I can't tell which ones I like the most! Since they do the Bombshell girls too I hope someday they will do a set of Amazons from Mars or something like that. Some sort of classic B-Movie thing. OH! Can you imagine a set of characters from Plan 9 from Outer Space!!?? I would buy that in a heart beat!
Edit: Oh wow I just had a thought of how much money I would spend if they ever did a set of Not-Buck Rogers or Not-Flash Gordon!
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