GW What's New Today wrote:Please note that the Citadel Knife will only be available to purchase from Games Workshop stores and independent retailers – not online – due to legal age restrictions on knife sales in most countries.
Also: Every single old tool is now discontinued and no longer available.
a reader on Faeit 212 wrote:I have some info on this weeks releases they are a bit disappointing. they are just hobby tools and a new hobby tool box set thats it i believe there were a few books also but only got a glance.
I can confirm that, and they are very expensive tools, e.g. a knife for 20€, then side-cutting pliers, a drill, set of files, set of sculpting tools, flash removing tool, and said tool box.
I can confirm the following Euro prices:
Knife 20€ (was 12.50 €)
Drill 22 € (was 13 €)
Clippers 24 € (was 12.50 €)
File Set 15 €
Sculpting Tool Set 20 €
Flash Remove Tools 13 € (was 10.50 €)
Tool Set 117 €
Yes, I get very little from GW in terms of modelling supplies. Their current knife is pretty good and the files aren't too bad, but anything else, I buy elsewhere for cheaper and arguably better quality.
Some GW tools are very nice, and I can't think of any GW tools that are junk (haven't used a whole bunch of them), so there is value in knowing you're getting an appropriate tool every time for beginners.
You can go to micheals beading section for X-acto Knifes, Files, and Flat sided snips. Not only cheaper, but you can get even cheaper by grabbing on of their coupons to boot....
Their flat sided snips are better then the GW ones since their meant for cutting metal wire and don't knick as easily.
The Drill and moul-line scraper are the only tools from GW that i use actully.
I have some GW tools that have been in my box for 10+ years now and still going strong. But nowadays I get all my tools from micromark.com .. they have everything you could ever need... and a lot of things you'll never need, but still feel like you have to have.
the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)
It'd be better if it could hook up to a compressor, then it'd basically be a siphon-feed airbrush. The real issue is the canned air because it has a nasty habit of freezing the paint.
the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)
It'd be better if it could hook up to a compressor, then it'd basically be a siphon-feed airbrush. The real issue is the canned air because it has a nasty habit of freezing the paint.
It's a new meta, guys. You're going to have to realize that this new edition is all about Emery boards.
cincydooley wrote: I dunno, I have the knife, pin vise, and clippers and they're all loads more comfortable than any of the other knvies, pin vises, or clippers I have.
Though Harbor Freight has a knife for $4.99 that is a pretty close second.
Comfort is worth paying for for some people, I guess.
I haven't used their knife, I've used both the new and old pin vice and the older one is more comfortable for me and similar to other pin vices I've used. The GW clippers I have are comfortable... but do more damage to the model than the clippers I bought from a hardware store. You can see it's crushing/tearing the sprue where as the cheapo hardware store one is actually cutting more, so if you clip right up against the model the GW clippers often leave a mark where as the cheapo ones don't. So if I'm using the GW clippers I have to clip a few millimeters away from the model and remove the excess with a knife, using the cheapo ones I can clip right against the model and have less cleanup to do.
the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)
It'd be better if it could hook up to a compressor, then it'd basically be a siphon-feed airbrush. The real issue is the canned air because it has a nasty habit of freezing the paint.
It's a new meta, guys. You're going to have to realize that this new edition is all about Emery boards.
I just want GW to go back to selling packs of those bits for the pin vice by themselves again. It'd make my life so much easier.
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kronk wrote: Their pin vice is better than what I've seen at my local hardware stores.
I prefer hobby stores for exacto knives, though.
I like the shape and size of the handle on the GW one, it's more comfortable to hold for long periods of time than my old, thin metal one.
Only qualm I have is trying to line the blade up half the time to it matches the direction of the handle.
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I just can't believe they removed Pin Vice from the tool kit. I'll bet they're going to re-release it along with the Pin Vice dataslate. GW is going to make me pay $39.99 to be able to drill holes in my model.
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Ahem, on topic, I have the little drill thing which is pretty good. Most of my other supplies are from other sources.
Does anyone have the old measuring tape? The orange/red one with the Aquila on the side? It was in GW's own measurement units though. Something eerily similar to inches, but not quite.
Ahem, on topic, I have the little drill thing which is pretty good. Most of my other supplies are from other sources.
Does anyone have the old measuring tape? The orange/red one with the Aquila on the side? It was in GW's own measurement units though. Something eerily similar to inches, but not quite.
I've got the plastic red and black one with the Aquila on the side.
Has anyone resisted the urge to whip the 18" red measuring stick that came in the last edition starter box? Both of mine have a permanent curve in it now!
gealgain wrote: Has anyone resisted the urge to whip the 18" red measuring stick that came in the last edition starter box? Both of mine have a permanent curve in it now!
gealgain wrote: Has anyone resisted the urge to whip the 18" red measuring stick that came in the last edition starter box? Both of mine have a permanent curve in it now!
I've never seen a straight one. Also, mine in are in backpack, and are curved from that.
Bad news: Old overexpensive knife for 12.50€ is OOP in Europe and North America. New knife will be 20€, more than three times as much as an X-Acto knife.
Old drill also gone, as is old saw.
The only thing missing is GW flavored patented pox paste.
Don't buy GW's crappy tools. Buy a good set and it will last you a lifetime without having to worry about the handles crapping out, splitting, or falling apart.
Lowest quality denominator- GW going into the cheaply made, expensively priced hhhobby tools business.
Here is a great place on the web that discusses what one needs for tools. No gak, either, the guy is a master of the craft.
I've got the plastic red and black one with the Aquila on the side.
The one I had was in some sort of overpowered super inch.
Wait, or was it the whippy stick?
I can't remember now.
Whippy sticks (or as they used to be called before pre-measuring was allowed: "Cheater Sticks") were pretty dead on IIRC.
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Grot 6 wrote: The only thing missing is GW flavored patented pox paste.
Don't buy GW's crappy tools. Buy a good set and it will last you a lifetime without having to worry about the handles crapping out, splitting, or falling apart.
Lowest quality denominator- GW going into the cheaply made, expensively priced hhhobby tools business.
Here is a great place on the web that discusses what one needs for tools. No gak, either, the guy is a master of the craft.
I've never had GW's tools give me issues. Worst is the clippers and I haven't really seen anything in stores that does the same thing. Even then the clippers aren't so bad that they actually cause any real issues.
Speaking of tools, does anyone have recommendations for what I used to make the holes for magnetizing Leman Russ weapon options? I usually use an xacto knife, but I'm looking into something nicer and easier. I already have the magnets, just need something to drill the holes.
ultimentra wrote: Speaking of tools, does anyone have recommendations for what I used to make the holes for magnetizing Leman Russ weapon options? I usually use an xacto knife, but I'm looking into something nicer and easier. I already have the magnets, just need something to drill the holes.
Pine vise and a bit -slightly- larger or equal to the diameter of the magnet will do the trick.
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I have to say the GW scalpel blade is one I favour - the screw hold design makes it a lot safer and easier to fit new blades to than many regular ones you can get on the market which use a snap-fit hold (which is nightmarishly scary to take blades on and off with).
ClockworkZion wrote: Worst is the clippers and I haven't really seen anything in stores that does the same thing. Even then the clippers aren't so bad that they actually cause any real issues.
I often wonder where people have to live in order to say such things.
Sprue cutters, flush cutters and the like are available in every Radio Shack, Hobby Lobby, Michaels, Home Depot, Lowes and any hobby store that is an actual hobby store and not just a GW store. Xuron makes excellent ones - but you can also get flush cutters from Klein tools, Excel, Testors and generics from Harbor Freight and Widget's supply.
Even the best case scenario, GW's tools are comparable to other products. However, unless you live above a GW store, you will pass three or four other stores on the way there which sell tools of equal or better quality for less.
the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)
I use my spray gun all the time. Hook it up to a compressor and it is a decent siphon feed, single action airbrush. For simple or quick base coating or priming it is less hassle than hooking up a more expensive dual action airbrush as it is much faster to clean and you don't have to worry about damaging it.
ClockworkZion wrote: Worst is the clippers and I haven't really seen anything in stores that does the same thing. Even then the clippers aren't so bad that they actually cause any real issues.
I often wonder where people have to live in order to say such things.
Sprue cutters, flush cutters and the like are available in every Radio Shack, Hobby Lobby, Michaels, Home Depot, Lowes and any hobby store that is an actual hobby store and not just a GW store. Xuron makes excellent ones - but you can also get flush cutters from Klein tools, Excel, Testors and generics from Harbor Freight and Widget's supply.
Even the best case scenario, GW's tools are comparable to other products. However, unless you live above a GW store, you will pass three or four other stores on the way there which sell tools of equal or better quality for less.
I live in basically Nowhere, Montana (aka, not Missoula our largest city). I've tried the Lowes and Home Depot we have here but they only seem to carry large wire cutters, nothing as fine as sprue cutters. I don't think we have a Radio Shack, I know we don't have a Hobby Lobby, nor a Michaels (we do have a Joann's but good luck finding anything in there). And the only hobby store outside of my FLGS caters to airplanes and trains and I didn't see any there either.
And for some reason Wal*Mart only has the knives next to their model kits.
ClockworkZion wrote: And the only hobby store outside of my FLGS caters to airplanes and trains and I didn't see any there either.
They will have Xuron and Zona tools - unless they don't want anyone to actually do anything with their kits...but that is GW's business plan. Those are a staple of model railroading and model airplane building, and I haven't seen a store in 30 years that didn't carry them.
HD and Lowes generally will have them in the Electrical Departments as opposed to tools - stuff like this:
If you have a HD and a Lowes - there has to be a Radio Shack in town. Just the way it is here in the States. Somewhere behind all the cell phones, you should find their soldering and electronics tools and something like this:
Very comfortable handle with a nice flush grind on the cutting blades.
Should also be able to find a selection of wire gauge drill bits there as you use them for drilling out the holes on printed circuit cards for the leads of electronics to pop through. I know that is where I picked up a lot of my tools from for years before the internet, as almost every town that had a stop light has a Radio Shack.
The whipstick is perfect for poking open a semi-clogged drain. I keep mine over the bathroom mirror.
Electronics (component) stores have good amount of small tools. Mandatory part when going to another town is breezing through all the HW/electronics/hobby stores, just to see if they have some tools I haven't seen before
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Upcoming white dwarf is dedicated to a new hobby kit from GW. The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
The rest of the dwarf features an extended Hobbit battle report where they cover all of the battle scenarios from an unexpected journey.
What I found most interesting was the tag line for White Dwarf #13:
If you go out to the woods today... ...you'll be in for a big surprise.
the only true bit of junk in their tools has to be the paint 'sprayer' (aka blocky the blocky thing)
It'd be better if it could hook up to a compressor, then it'd basically be a siphon-feed airbrush. The real issue is the canned air because it has a nasty habit of freezing the paint.
I found an adapter online that worked out well, but now I have a grown up airbrush
Kroothawk wrote: The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.
Kroothawk wrote: The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.
You say that, but then looking at a lot of their bundles and stuff I can't help but get the impression no one thinks things through and looks at the end price. Someone says 'hey, lets bundle some hobby tools together', someone else does it and adds the already overpriced tools together, giving us something absurd like $150, and no one points out how dumb it is.
cincydooley wrote: I dunno, I have the knife, pin vise, and clippers and they're all loads more comfortable than any of the other knvies, pin vises, or clippers I have.
Though Harbor Freight has a knife for $4.99 that is a pretty close second.
Comfort is worth paying for for some people, I guess.
It's not enough to defend GWS's tools, you must also imply all other tools are lesser.
I myself owned the GWS drill, which I thought looked really good. The bits slipped, and the chuck was so smooth it was difficult to tighten it adequately. It didn't ultimately matter because it broke within an hour, anyway. I was able to get a refund for it. I replaced it with a Hobbico pin vise, which I have used for 5 years without issue.
I use these for snips, one of these for a knife - very good, and blades are easy to find and long lasting, and so on. I found the Citadel brushes to be a decent - not good - value for the money. All of the ones I have used have shed hairs and eventually become unusable. I now use W&N Series 7 and they have held up much better.
I can't believe it is going to be US$150. That would be twice the price that they were. I genuinely think that someone has got there wires crossed and that is the AU$ amount. Then it would be about AU$30 more than now, but with a case. That would make much more sense.
On the quality side, I have never had a problem with GW tools. I have a GW saw and a drill. Both of them have been fine for years and the handles are nice to hold IMO. They are more expensive than you can get elsewhere, but if you don't know what you are buying then, like there brushes, it is a good way to get good enough quality tools.
ClockworkZion wrote: And the only hobby store outside of my FLGS caters to airplanes and trains and I didn't see any there either.
They will have Xuron and Zona tools - unless they don't want anyone to actually do anything with their kits...but that is GW's business plan. Those are a staple of model railroading and model airplane building, and I haven't seen a store in 30 years that didn't carry them.
I might give them another look assuming I can get there during business hours. Joys of being a college student, when I'm in class is pretty much the only time when places like that are open (small local stores).
Sean_OBrien wrote: HD and Lowes generally will have them in the Electrical Departments as opposed to tools - stuff like this:
Oh in theory they should but I've looked before and all they had were the big heavy duty wire cutters. Then again it also took me trips to several stores (to include HD and Lowes) just to get a ratchet that didn't have a handle designed for a child.
Sean_OBrien wrote: If you have a HD and a Lowes - there has to be a Radio Shack in town. Just the way it is here in the States. Somewhere behind all the cell phones, you should find their soldering and electronics tools and something like this:
Very comfortable handle with a nice flush grind on the cutting blades.
I don't have high hopes with RS because I've been to a few in the past that were pretty poorly stocked and were relying more on selling electronic toys than anything else. I can give the local one a go though, assuming I can figure out where it is. I've been by the area its supposed to be but haven't seen it, but maybe I just overlooked it.
ClockworkZion wrote: (we do have a Joann's but good luck finding anything in there).
Hey - don't knock JoAnn’s - I've been in there a few times and they actually have a surprisingly amount of useful hobby goodness. You'd be surprised.
I mean more in the "good luck" because the store is a disaster of poor organization, none of the aisles are labeled and you can easily spend hours wandering around just trying to find the most basic of things.
Kroothawk wrote: The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
This is a joke/troll post, right? Surely not even GW can think that $150 for a few dollars worth of tools is a good idea.
sing your life wrote: GW already has a very large range of tools. they are high-quality but cost to much
They are by no means high quality.
Exept they are, because use the clippers and drill for about a year now and really like them, though I wouldn't buy them again if they broke.
The spray gun works good with the compressor, it just feels cheap and sprays paint everywhere.
Except they're not.
I have a variety of tools from a selection of suppliers, the GW ones are the lowest quality.
The jaws of the clippers are not properly hardened, and deform easily, are improperly aligned, and not sharp.
The pin vice is poorly made, the nurling on the tool is too shallow for proper grip.
The needle files aren't bad, but limited in shape.
I've not seen two sculpting tools the same.
The spray gun is cheaply made, and the hose is prone to splitting.
If you're of the opinion that the tools are high quality, then you need experience of better tools.
ultimentra wrote: Speaking of tools, does anyone have recommendations for what I used to make the holes for magnetizing Leman Russ weapon options? I usually use an xacto knife, but I'm looking into something nicer and easier. I already have the magnets, just need something to drill the holes.
Pin vice:
You can get them at hobby stores (Michaels and Hobby Lobby) or home improvement store (Home Depot or Lowes). Then get a drill bit that's the same size as your magnets from the same home improvement store.
I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?
GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).
The GW clippers are excellent, the only tool of their I use. Evreything else they produce can be obtained at greater quality and lower prices elsewhere.
The current GW knife is shocking. I've actually got a few of the old black ones with the retracable baldes which where much better and still serve me very well. Replacement Swann Morton blades can be picked up online for a song.
The real rip off from GW however is their glues and basing stuff. It honestly amazes me that anyone would pay £5.10 for offical GW PVA glue when you can get 500ml bottles of the stuff from poundland.
Then there is the matter of £5 for 100 grams of sand!
I've had the same experience as Kronk, more or less.
Not bought any GW tools myself bar the odd paintbrush here and there, whilst not the best they certainly aren't bad at all.
I've used a few of the GW tools such as the clippers and hobbyknife and I was pleasantly surprised, they aren't anywhere near as bad as people are making them out to be.
That said, as with everything that has a Games Workshop stamp on it, they're very expensive for what they are.
If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products
But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.
They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.
If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products
But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.
They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.
Good for you, because about 10 mins ago I was using the GW cutters on a plastic model, and I found them to work just as good as when I got them in an old citadel starter set. That's subjectivivaty to you.
You can buy those tools from any hardware store for.like 30$ or so....
I'm pretty sure GW will soon have their models melt and release toxic gas if any non-Citadel products come into contact with it.
And yeah, more seriously, not only are GW tools too expensive but they're also of very low quality. Can get better quality products at Home Depot for 1/3 the price. This problem that GW has, overcharging while simultaneously having poor quality products, extends to their model lines and codex's as well.
Kirasu wrote: I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?
GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).
Yes I have. They are plenty good enough. They are more expensive but I would argue about getting better quality. Most tools don't have rubber padding. That's what I got the drill. I got the saw because it works out cheaper than buying saw, handle and driving to a hobby shop when GW is in town. Same with buying models from GW. Not many B&M stores in the UK do discount and unless you are buying a reasonable size order postage destroys the discount.
If you had actually read my posts, you would know I said the price exceeds the (albeit high) quality of these products
But they're really not high quality. I bought a set of GW clippers to replace some cheapo ones that were starting to go blunt after a couple of years of use (I frequently used them on metal models as well). Out of the box the GW ones were barely any better, and within a couple of weeks of only cutting plastic, they were more blunt than my old cheapo ones that I'd put through the mill over several years.
They still work, but they clearly do more damage to the model when clipping from the sprues than my older cheapo ones, so I only use them for things I don't really care about.
Good for you, because about 10 mins ago I was using the GW cutters on a plastic model, and I found them to work just as good as when I got them in an old citadel starter set. That's subjectivivaty to you.
There's a point of distinction for a start.
Could I ask how many pairs of clippers you've used from different companies to feel qualified to state the relative quality of GW's? Or are you just making assumptions because they haven't disintegrated/exploded/melted while cutting through a very soft material?
subjectivivaty
Isn't that what you need if you want to be a record breaker?
It's not subjective at all. You can look at the cuts the old cheapo clippers make (which have been abused far more) and compare them to the ones the citadel ones make and the citadel clippers are clearly not making as clean of a cut. There's more tearing and which tends to pull material up and is thus more likely to do damage to the model than the cheapo clippers.
The GW clippers are serviceable, no doubt they can clip things and I do still use them from time to time. But if you're going to call something quality, you need to compare it to another quality product and observe equal or greater performance. I compare them to a cheapo set of clippers that I wanted to replace because they were noticeably blunting and they couldn't even cut it there. I actually specifically bought the GW clippers because I'd been told they were "overpriced but good quality" and I figured saving a few minutes was more important than saving a few dollars trying to research other "good quality" clippers.
That's just the clippers, I've also used their pin vices which IMO are "ok". Again, they work, but I've used better that was cheaper. Other people have given very good objective reasons why the GW isn't awesome.
Oh, and the sculpting tool, it has a worse finish on the edges than the full set of sculpting tools I bought for the same price (from Hobby Lobby I believe).
I haven't used one of their brushes for many years, but I found it to be middle of the road, not as bad as using a cheap synthetic, but no where near as good as a Kolinsky sable brush, even a similarly priced one. I guess you could say that's more subjective than objective, because I have no measure of brush quality other than how it feels.
We need to wait and see exactly what the new tool set has in it before making any firm judgements
no guarantee it will be the old tools we all love/hate/couldn't care less about
if they really have gone all out for quality they might be decent enough for the price (although it's one I wouldn't personally pay except for a really high quality file)
Kirasu wrote: I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?
GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).
Yes I have. They are plenty good enough. They are more expensive but I would argue about getting better quality. Most tools don't have rubber padding. That's what I got the drill. I got the saw because it works out cheaper than buying saw, handle and driving to a hobby shop when GW is in town. Same with buying models from GW. Not many B&M stores in the UK do discount and unless you are buying a reasonable size order postage destroys the discount.
I suppose I should preface my statements with "In the united states" because we an incredible amount of choices and GW has very little impact in where we can shop.
Kirasu wrote: I gotta wonder if those supporting the overpriced GW tools have actually used *other* tools by different companies?
GW tools have been serviceable but there is absolutely no reason to buy them over better high quality tools unless you enjoy wasting money (Sorta how I feel about those who buy models directly from the GW store).
Yes I have. They are plenty good enough. They are more expensive but I would argue about getting better quality. Most tools don't have rubber padding. That's what I got the drill. I got the saw because it works out cheaper than buying saw, handle and driving to a hobby shop when GW is in town. Same with buying models from GW. Not many B&M stores in the UK do discount and unless you are buying a reasonable size order postage destroys the discount.
I suppose I should preface my statements with "In the united states" because we an incredible amount of choices and GW has very little impact in where we can shop.
I think Australia is much the same, not as much range as the US, but still plenty of stores where you can get similar but better quality tools than GW sells at lower prices.
On the rubber handle thing: It can be nice, but I actually own both a new GW pin vice and an old GW pin vice from before they had the rubber handle. The old one is heaps better, the collet holds the drills better and is easier to tighten, and as you use it, the drill is less likely to get stuck and start spinning in the collet or inadvertently loosen or slip. It also feels much more substantial.
The rubber handled pin vice sits in my draw doing nothing because it's simply not as well made.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: We need to wait and see exactly what the new tool set has in it before making any firm judgements
no guarantee it will be the old tools we all love/hate/couldn't care less about
if they really have gone all out for quality they might be decent enough for the price (although it's one I wouldn't personally pay except for a really high quality file)
Kroothawk wrote: I can confirm the following Euro prices:
Knife 20€ (was 12.50 €)
Drill 22 € (was 13 €)
Clippers 24 € (was 12.50 €)
File Set 15 €
Sculpting Tool Set 20 €
Flash Remove Tools 13 € (was 10.50 €)
Tool Set 117 €
GW again went for the traditional doubling of prices for comparable new products.
I use this, best quality blades I've ever used and costs about half
http://www.olfa.com/ArtKnivesDetail.aspx?C=6&Id=95 WTHGW? Comparing (and buying) miniatures is harder because subjetivity plays a good part of how we feel about price but tools is pure utility, there are better known brands than GW's tools at cheaper prices...
Little Timmy might not realice how overpriced a cutter is but I'm sure Timmy's dad does.
Those prices are...steep to put it lightly. I got a pair of side cutters for jewelry in the hobby section of wal-mart for $5, and they cut quite well enough for me. GW's new prices make me wonder if I'm not over-valuing their model line as well. $30 for a pair of tiny side cutters? I can get American-made tools for cheaper.
MajorWesJanson wrote: If the GW blog does not take the opportunity to call the release "April Tools Day" I will be displeased.
I laughed at that. And now I'll be disappointed too.
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LazzurusMan wrote: I thought GW had given up on files as they took too long to degrade, and therefore made less cash...hence why they moved to re-branded emery boards.
You know the sad thing? I bought a pack. *Facepalm*
Emery boards were basically only for fixing the Finecast models. The old files were mostly for use on metal, but since they were phasing that out ("were" meaning they never finished) they discontinued them because demand wouldn't be as high anymore.
Okay, I have seen the new tools in WD.
They are now in stylish cardboard boxes to underline their premium price.
It's two files, both pointed, one side flat the other round.
Sculpting tools are three, two metal and one plastic.
Knife, drill, cutter and flash remover are steel with aluminium handles, aluminium is tin bits coloured. Looks not too bad (no skulls).
Knife is now retractable design with 5 identical blades.
Drill looks similar to before, but with those metal handles, 6 drills.
Cutter has longer handles than before, handles in skeleton design with said tin bitz colour. Jaws overlap a bit like with scissors.
Complete toolset is limited to 1000 globally, so ...
Not saying that they are worth that much money, but there certainly will be some people buying this. Not me though.
I've never been a fan of retractable knives, I like to have the blade nice and firmly in the handle. My favourite knives are actually the Testors ones where you have a scalpel blade embedded firmly in a plastic handle, they're just a bit frustrating when you snap off a tip and have to buy a whole new knife, not terrible expensive though so you can buy them in bulk.
Hooo boy. I wonder if someone was dropped of the table as a baby. I got a complete citadel toolkit as a bonus on an ebay auction I won. the little hobby drill is kinda nice, I'd give say 10€ for that one. But everything else?
- The vice is just horrible. It can't be firmly attached to the table and the suction grip doesn't work on most surfaces.
- The Knife is pretty generic. Nothing, that can't be achieved by a disposable scalpel, cutter, or similar you get for less than 1€.
- The clipper, files and sculpting tool are bland and generic. You can use them, they do their job, but they aren't exactly sonic screwdrivers to begin with. Any clipper from an electronics store will do just as good, the files are standard issue and the sculptiong tool can be replaced easily with a lot of things out of a dentist's toolbox or other sculpting tools from a hobby shop. The case is nice to have I guess, if you use to paint at your FLGS and to store your tools at home, but for the later it takes up a lot of space and doesn't provide anything, an old shoebox wouldn't do.
The big question is will FW offer a resin version with differently shaped blades for 4x the cost? And will a new imperial armour books cover their stats? Or will they provide the '10,000 yeas earlier.... ' version made out of flint?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I've never been a fan of retractable knives, I like to have the blade nice and firmly in the handle. My favourite knives are actually the Testors ones where you have a scalpel blade embedded firmly in a plastic handle, they're just a bit frustrating when you snap off a tip and have to buy a whole new knife, not terrible expensive though so you can buy them in bulk.
I have a couple of those knives. Blade in a cheap black plastic handle. And yes, the very tip snaps off easily, but I find that they tend to snap off just far enough that the knife tip becomes useful to drill out barrels.
I'd only really want the mold line remover as I have 10+ year old other versions of the other tools, but I bet they'll only be available in a super expensive limited edition bundle...
A note on the mould line remover, it is excellent for making holes in thin plastic (i.e; tank armour) and it has no other functional use. You'd be silly to use it to remove mould lines.
I don't mind the aesthetic they've gone for with the anodized aluminium. Other than that, eh, overpriced and probably not that good quality based off their previous efforts.
While im normally a supporter of GW products, although not the prices, I can't say I have ever felt the need to buy any of the tools.
They look good quality but cost two, three or even four times as much as I can get similar quality tools elsewhere.
So, not interested !
A note on the mould line remover, it is excellent for making holes in thin plastic (i.e; tank armour) and it has no other functional use. You'd be silly to use it to remove mould lines.
Oh, is that what that knife looking tool next to the pin-vise is?
I was wondering what that was used for.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: But dude, they're "Limited Edition"!
I'm going to order as many as I can when they go up for pre-order so I can sell them on Ebay later for big profit!
Just for the record: The tools are NOT limited, just the set.
Even worse: Some of the current only double overcosted tools are already discontinued, e.g. the knife.
So soon we will only have the triple/quadrupel overcosted tools from GW
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: But dude, they're "Limited Edition"!
I'm going to order as many as I can when they go up for pre-order so I can sell them on Ebay later for big profit!
Just for the record: The tools are NOT limited, just the set.
Even worse: Some of the current only double overcosted tools are already discontinued, e.g. the knife.
So soon we will only have the triple/quadrupel overcosted tools from GW
Which is the perfect opportunity to find alternatives.
The tools look alright, without seeing them I couldn't really say how good or bad they actually are though. They look like they're going back to the older pin-vice design there as well.
Honestly I don't need any of these so I won't be buying, and when I do need tools I might try online instead. If I'm paying those kind of prices I might as well have tools covered in gold leaf and anointed with the tears of a thousand angry virgins instead.
Scrub wrote: Anyone have any idea from which manufacturer GW source their tools from in the first place?
The local shop down the street? To ask the prices they are it's almost like they're paying full shelf price on these things and then marking up from there.
shamikebab wrote: Needs more skulls tbh, I'd pay at least a quid more per skull.
Do people actually say Needs more Skulls? IS THIS A THING?!
Also, are they trying to turn their tools into works of art? Because they look very pretty, but that drill looks like it'll be a pain. There's a reason manual drills have oblong cylindrical handles.
shamikebab wrote: Needs more skulls tbh, I'd pay at least a quid more per skull.
Do people actually say Needs more Skulls? IS THIS A THING?!
Also, are they trying to turn their tools into works of art? Because they look very pretty, but that drill looks like it'll be a pain. There's a reason manual drills have oblong cylindrical handles.
shamikebab wrote: Needs more skulls tbh, I'd pay at least a quid more per skull.
Do people actually say Needs more Skulls? IS THIS A THING?!
Also, are they trying to turn their tools into works of art? Because they look very pretty, but that drill looks like it'll be a pain. There's a reason manual drills have oblong cylindrical handles.
Future sand will be made of microscopic skulls.
Fascinating.
Did they remove the old red tape measure? Because they were one of the only 'microtransactions' (under 10AUD, from GW. ) that I actually felt I got any value out of.
I hope they didn't those Skull Tape Measures are actually awful.
Harriticus wrote: I lol'd@the claim they're the best precision tools.
Best Hobby<tm> tools, I suppose. As in, sold under a miniature-related brand. Then again, there's plenty of good stuff from Tamiya etc.
The design of the tools looks pretty good, IMO. Lacking a few skulls, but pretty much there. I'm interested to see the quality, though - they'd have to be a lot more solid than the previous plastic tools, if they are to justify the price.
I think the thing to do is to buy a set, use and abuse them, then go back for a refund when they fall apart. "You did say precision-engineered, and the best, but they didn't last as long as my Tamiya ones at 1/4 the price..."
You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
Jehan-reznor wrote: You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
So all of these are handmade by a bunch of old men from Italy?
Jehan-reznor wrote: You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
The only design flaw I notice is lack of skulls.
If it's not 50 skulls/square inch, they're not trying hard enough.
So does anyone have any clue whether they're 100% metal now or still plastic/rubber/metal which has been shooped within an inch of its life for the previews?
Not a fan of the Stanley Knife design on the scalpel. At least the current one comes with a crappy plastic cap to slow down the weathering process. That said...not having to tighten the blade and having it at an odd angle to the grip is an advantage. That said, the blades may be somewhat shaky inside the housing if it isn't 100% flush due to the design of the Stanley Knife.
Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The pin vise looks a bit like, well, a dozen other $10 pin vises. No longer has the rubber handle that people said made it worth the extra bit though...so, that should be interesting. If I were going to spend $30 on a pin vise though, well - I couldn't. No one else charges $30 for a pin vise. I could get a set of 6 for $25...or a nice one with a 3-jaw chuck for $27. Could also get 4 different sized sets of finger drills... Not quite sure where the value is in there take on it this time though.
The clippers - well, if they are bypass like Kroot says - then that must be how GW wants to deal with bit sales. Ensure that parts come off as mangled as possible. There is a reason though that every other tool which is designed for comparable uses has a wider spacing for the handles. Using that one will be a pain, not to mention the skeleton frame is not the most comfortable of designs (great for my knife that I use for cutting cut bait - but when you are trying to manipulate tiny objects, you are not concerned with being able to hose the blood out of them easily). It isn't clear in that image - but it doesn't appear to have any curve to the cutters either. I had a pair years ago that came straight off - and it was always a pain getting into tight areas. Nice to have a bit of a bend. I will reiterate - Xuron. You can get a set of three hobby grade or a pair of their professional grade cutters for the same price.
As mentioned - the blade on the knife looks proprietary. Not a huge fan of retractable blades for this purpose - but they can be designed well. My Xacto frisket knife is retractable - just like a ball point pen, and I picked up a Retract-a-blade a couple months ago with is very solid. This looks more like the bastard child of a snap blade knife (hardly precision) and a cheap plastic Xacto knife. The square handle is not something you will want to use for long - and based on past experience with knives like that, the locking clip will start slipping soon. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there are screws to allow you to open up the body and fix that, so you may need to buy a new handle before you buy a new set of blades (it does come with 5 after all). If you want a retractable balde knife that is not a snap knife. Get the Retract-a-blade. The soft triangle grip is very comfortable, and it takes standard #11 blades which you can pick up replacements for pennies each (quite literally - a package of 100 blades only costs about $30). I haven't seen the price for GW's replacement blades, but it would not surprise me if they were a dollar each or more.
Not much else to say about the others beyond the price. $27 for three cheap sculpting tools (not even a silicone tipped clay shaper) and $20 for a couple grit files...that is crazy town pricing. You can get a full set of cut files and a set of rifflers for less. For the sculpting tools - a set of 5 clay shapers will run you about half that, and you can snag a set of dental tools as well, with money left over to buy a ribbon of GS (not from GW of course).
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Ehsteve wrote: So does anyone have any clue whether they're 100% metal now or still plastic/rubber/metal which has been shooped within an inch of its life for the previews?
The knife looks to have an aluminum or maybe zimac housing with plastic internals. At least they better be plastic on the inside. For that design, you need to have the plastic in order to hold the blade tight. Of course after you change it a few times - the plastic is worn down and will no longer hold tight. The rest of the tools other than the black plastic sculpting tool are metal. Granted - I tend to not like to hold metal for long periods of time when sculpting/modeling and see that largely as a downside. Plastic/rubber handles are a good thing to add comfort for extended periods of use - and those tools just do not look comfortable at all to my eyes.
More like "Precision Re-Branded to be the Most Expensive Hobby Tools in The World"!
That is really the funny thing though. These look to be entirely designed by GW (and it shows). I don't think you could find a real tool manufacturer anywhere who would design and build these of their own volition. If they had gone to Xacto and rebranded a knife, or to Xuron and rebranded a set of flush cutters, or to Colour Shaper and rebranded some sculpting tools - they would have been miles ahead of where these are. Their claim to be "Precision Engineered to be the Best Hobby Tools in the World" wouldn't be nearly as laughable either - as they would actually have been that way.
Each of those companies has decades (some nearing a century) of experience engineering the best hobby tools in the world - and they would be able to provide precision engineering as opposed to overpriced, over designed tools which at best might be serviceable - as worst might be dangerous. Anyone who has used a snap blade knife that the lock started to fail on will know how risky that can be, and those holes in the skeleton frame on the cutter are a blood blister waiting to happen - especially with some of the meaty paws I have seen on some hobbyists.
Was about to say- these don't look particularly comfortable grip wise. As for cutters- Xuron all the way! Heresy Miniatures sell some fantastic tools if anyone's interested..
I often work with precision tooling, and we always end up having to go through a detailed scoping and pilot process.
Can a few of you maybe get involved in the next one, I'm never able to judge quality, usability and maintainability by a picture, this would save us money, thanks!
Sean_OBrien wrote: Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
Jehan-reznor wrote: You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
So all of these are handmade by a bunch of old men from Italy?
I can go to Lowe's and get similar and high quality Kobalt tools sculpting tools, are sculpting tools, but the snips,/knives, hand drill are not unique items, so, yeah, I can get the stuff cheaper, and if I use cash, I can have my roommate who works there get it at discount.
Sean_OBrien wrote: The clippers - well, if they are bypass like Kroot says - then that must be how GW wants to deal with bit sales. Ensure that parts come off as mangled as possible.
I doubt it's any kind of plot like that, anyone with enough hobby knowledge to be involved in bits sales isn't going to be using GW's laughably overpriced FineTools™. It's much more likely that it's just a case of someone without any real knowledge of tool design making something that they think looks cool to be a distinctive GW brand. And the few people (mostly clueless newbies and young kids) who buy these tools aren't going to care if they're not very good.
Jehan-reznor wrote: You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
Someone really sent me a private mail explaining the GW bashing, will add [sarcasm]enter comment here[/sarcasm] html code in the future!
[sarcasm]I already ordered 50! [/sarcasm]
Jehan-reznor wrote: You dakkadudes are always bashing GW always so negative, it is not like professional tool makers can sell these cheaper, GW is the Ferrari of Miniature Tools!
Someone really sent me a private mail explaining the GW bashing, will add [sarcasm]enter comment here[/sarcasm] html code in the future!
[sarcasm]I already ordered 50! [/sarcasm]
The clippers don't seem to be bypass, looks like the angled blades are against each other. I'm more worried that they don't seem to have a spring in them, which would make them very annoying to use, if you have to manually open them after each snip.
There must be some spring mechanism in them, there's no way even they'd release clippers than you need to manually open each snip (especially since there's no loop like scissors to allow you to just pull them open). It's probably been photoshopped out for some reason.
Sean_OBrien wrote: Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
sockwithaticket wrote: That promo line makes me want to try and bring a false advertising suit. If only I had the money to go toe to toe with GW legal.
Good news! You're in the UK, which means you don't need to fork over a single penny, we can just contact the Advertising Standards Authority and report them for making false or unverifiable claims. There's a reason Carlsberg lager advertised using the slogan "probably the best lager in the world" - a fun bonus is if GW tried using that phrasing we could then forward their ads on to Carlsberg Group and enjoy the show as their legal team rips GW's in-house Finelawyers to pieces
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
I do like the scalpel blade, as there's a ton of different shapes to choose from. The retractable design is pretty practical, too. The downside is, the 'plug' sticks out in the middle of the blade, so it's more difficult to plunge the knife into materials like foam or cardboard. Also most blades are designed for cutting soft stuff in surgery, so they are pretty thin and won't take as much abuse. So, you probably still want an X-acto knife for some uses.
Oh well, I'll probably order a couple of those eBay scalpels, instead
Sean_OBrien wrote: Trying to identify it - but does anyone recognize the blade in that knife? The locking tab looks to be in a different location than all the ones I have. I wonder if GW decided to make a proprietary blade in order to ensure selling replacements. It almost looks like the tail end of a snap blade knife blade, but it really isn't too clear if that is how it is held.
The knife is a retractable scalpel that uses surgical blades.. Which is available for £4.99 on eBay, BTW. Of course the GW version might be more sturdy, I assume the cheap one is plastic.
It's funny you should use that one as an example of a cheaper knife, as those are the one's GW sold about 5 years ago. I still use one, replacement blades are cheap as on ebay. I wonder if swann and morley still make the GW stuff?
sing your life wrote: This must be the most negatively received release by GW yet LOL.
I think GW's hobby tools range is squarely aimed at parents and people who don't know better**, so it's never going to be well received by the enthusiast wargaming crowd who actually know where to buy better quality tools at lower prices.
Miniatures are more subjective, where as with tools it's hard to argue that a lower quality product at a higher price is a good thing.
**(not to say all people who buy GW tools don't know better, sometimes you just want something and knowing GW sells it saves you time that you're willing to pay money to get and that's fine as well, but I think for the most part their target audience is a mother being told "little Jimmy will need X, Y and Z to assemble his models, but don't worry, we stock them all here!" or people who haven't experienced proper tools).
But guys, it's not aimed at us. It's aimed at the hobbyist who just wants to enjoy the hobby. You're not intended to go out and buy them all at once. Just piece meal them until you have a full collection...
Nope, the £5 one from ebay is metal, its an old design from Swann and Morton. you can get large boxes of the blades for cheap too. the recast on the outside of the GW one looks really uncomfortable to use for a long period of time tho....
I do like the scalpel blade, as there's a ton of different shapes to choose from. The retractable design is pretty practical, too. The downside is, the 'plug' sticks out in the middle of the blade, so it's more difficult to plunge the knife into materials like foam or cardboard. Also most blades are designed for cutting soft stuff in surgery, so they are pretty thin and won't take as much abuse. So, you probably still want an X-acto knife for some uses.
Oh well, I'll probably order a couple of those eBay scalpels, instead
Make sure you get 10, 10a or 11 blades, as they are best shape and size, some of the ones in your image above are too large for the retractable knife
I bought the GW tool set a few years back. Here's me rating my experience with each on an A-F scale:
Files get a B. They're still functional but have significantly dulled.
Clippers: A-. They work well for plastic and resin but they actually are made of a metal that gets bent by frequent use on pewter. I found that out the hard way, working with metal models made them completely useless. But as far as resin and plastic goes, they're a dream. The grip is fantastic, the size is ideal, and they don't wear down as long as you stick to plastic and resin.
Sculpting tool: C . Served me well, but I've always found it was a bit too clumsy when I needed something bigger than a hobby knife to do things like place greenstuff and base bases with. In the end I found myself going back to the hobby knife.
Drill: D+. Significantly lacks capability to work with metal minis. Also most of the tools I have I'm enthusiastic about using because they effectively accomplish what they're designed to do (which is the purpose of a tool) but this drill can not hold on tightly to the drill pieces that I put in, which sometimes renders the drill useless.
Mold Line Scraping Tool: B+: Sturdy, nice grip, blade's got the right amount of sharpness as to not dull, so I'm expecting longevity out of it. It's sharp enough to remove most mold lines, but it's outclassed by files and the hobby knife. It's got one trade, and it's not the Ace at it. It's just a jack.
Hobby Knife: A+: Hobby knives in this context being the vehicle for X-acto blades, this to-be-former hobby knife is easily the best knife you could hope to find. the shape and material it's made with fit perfectly in your hand with enough grip for you to never have to worry about slipping but not enough friction for your skin to get irritated or anything the new one just looks like an obligatory redesign to make it a set. If I were you, I'd get the current knife before it's too late.
**BONUS RATING**
Citadel Emery Boards! D-. Overpriced sandpaper sticks, 2 of which work well, 1 of which is too *fine* to actually file anything. The wear out horrifyingly fast, too. Like just after a dozen infantry and they're dead. They're disposable tools priced as though they'll last you. Do not buy unless absolutely needed (and the only reason they're not getting an F is because yes, they are sometimes necessary for when regular files are too rough. But this is only for advanced hobbyists, nobody building to play should really worry themselves over this).
TheKbob wrote: But guys, it's not aimed at us. It's aimed at the hobbyist who just wants to enjoy the hobby. You're not intended to go out and buy them all at once. Just piece meal them until you have a full collection...
Considering this will probably be a "one click bundle", I disagree
Name 1 40k release from the main studio (since it's pretty easy when you say that and allow FW but that's a different group of blokes) that didn't make someone mad. I'll wait.
Name 1 40k release from the main studio (since it's pretty easy when you say that and allow FW but that's a different group of blokes) that didn't make someone mad. I'll wait.
Name 1 40k release from the main studio (since it's pretty easy when you say that and allow FW but that's a different group of blokes) that didn't make someone mad. I'll wait.
You've got your basic Cadians!
That's not a major release though now is it? It was tied into a codex release and I would bet money (if I wasn't broke) that something made people mad at the time.
No release pleases everyone, obviously. There was complaining about IG, but it dissapated quickly after book in hand (those psykers n priests, brah!) where as the Tyranids are still up proverbial poop creek.
This release? You can't defend the cost of those tools. There's no "but I like the fluff!" or "it's just for beer and pretzels!" usual arguments. Those are just flat out overcosted name brand tools.
It's like anyone who buys Monster Brand Cables or Beats by Dr. Dre (which is, ironically, owned by Monster Cables). You're flat out doing it wrong.
TheKbob wrote: No release pleases everyone, obviously. There was complaining about IG, but it dissapated quickly after book in hand (those psykers n priests, brah!) where as the Tyranids are still up proverbial poop creek.
I dunno, I'm still complaining about my poor Colossus and the special characters
It's like anyone who buys Monster Brand Cables or Beats by Dr. Dre (which is, ironically, owned by Monster Cables). You're flat out doing it wrong.
TheKbob wrote: No release pleases everyone, obviously. There was complaining about IG, but it dissapated quickly after book in hand (those psykers n priests, brah!) where as the Tyranids are still up proverbial poop creek.
I dunno, I'm still complaining about my poor Colossus and the special characters
It's like anyone who buys Monster Brand Cables or Beats by Dr. Dre (which is, ironically, owned by Monster Cables). You're flat out doing it wrong.
Quarterdime wrote: I bought the GW tool set a few years back. Here's me rating my experience with each on an A-F scale:
**BONUS RATING**
Citadel Emery Boards! D-. Overpriced sandpaper sticks, 2 of which work well, 1 of which is too *fine* to actually file anything. The wear out horrifyingly fast, too. Like just after a dozen infantry and they're dead. They're disposable tools priced as though they'll last you. Do not buy unless absolutely needed (and the only reason they're not getting an F is because yes, they are sometimes necessary for when regular files are too rough. But this is only for advanced hobbyists, nobody building to play should really worry themselves over this).
You cannot be serious. The emery boards should get a Z. Ask you girlfriend to buy you some small various coarseness boards next time she's shopping. They're the same thing she uses on her nails, and for what GW charges you'll get more than 10x the amount.
Well, really it's just 7 pages of people taking the piss. And yes, I realise that this comment has now pushed the thread back to the top of the page, where it most certainly doesn't belong
Meanwhile, no threads on show reports/pics from Adepticon..
Name 1 40k release from the main studio (since it's pretty easy when you say that and allow FW but that's a different group of blokes) that didn't make someone mad. I'll wait.
Every ork release since the last codex? I don't remember anyone saying that the Dakkajet was anything short of a brilliant kit. There might have been a few who managed to have mixed feelings about the stompa or the battlewagon, but I honestly can't say I've seen any overall negative responses to ork releases since I got back into the hobby.
TheKbob wrote: But guys, it's not aimed at us. It's aimed at the hobbyist who just wants to enjoy the hobby. You're not intended to go out and buy them all at once. Just piece meal them until you have a full collection...
"Guys. They are targeted at rubes, not people on the know, so it's totally ok!"
Every ork release since the last codex? I don't remember anyone saying that the Dakkajet was anything short of a brilliant kit. There might have been a few who managed to have mixed feelings about the stompa or the battlewagon, but I honestly can't say I've seen any overall negative responses to ork releases since I got back into the hobby.
Orks are pretty difficult to mess up, considering they might be up to anything. However, after the last couple of releases, I'm sure GW will try to find a way - I'm not sure if I should be excited or afraid
Name 1 40k release from the main studio (since it's pretty easy when you say that and allow FW but that's a different group of blokes) that didn't make someone mad. I'll wait.
Every ork release since the last codex? I don't remember anyone saying that the Dakkajet was anything short of a brilliant kit. There might have been a few who managed to have mixed feelings about the stompa or the battlewagon, but I honestly can't say I've seen any overall negative responses to ork releases since I got back into the hobby.
They loved the model but hated how hard it was to get the rules. I remember that.
They dont sell the knife on the site, same with the full kit. They advertised the old knife on the site but it was never available to purchase other than in store.
If you want an actually good pair of cutters, which can go through pewter like butter - Xuron Micro-shears are the ones you want.
Micromark or Squadron Seam scraper will get you a far superior product than the mould line scraper.
Neither of these are massively cheaper than the GW product, but they're practically guaranteed to be better quality.
I have some GW clippers and they seem to just be cheap metal coated with a surface... a surface which has rubbed off after light use on plastic and exposed the metal underneath, which has now started to rust. Worthless muck, the new one looks like the same thing with a different handle... in fact they all do.
There's nothing wrong with spending money on a quality product rather than getting the cheapest thing you can find at a DIY store, but make sure you're spending your money wisely.
They look quite sweet but I couldn't justify getting any of them. One bit about the knife irks me a bit though; having a slider like that means it'll be annoying for lefties such as myself. Whereas you normals can just slide it with your thumb, the button will be awkwardly pressing into our palms.
Valkyrie wrote: They look quite sweet but I couldn't justify getting any of them. One bit about the knife irks me a bit though; having a slider like that means it'll be annoying for lefties such as myself. Whereas you normals can just slide it with your thumb, the button will be awkwardly pressing into our palms.
Guess you shouldn't have gone over to the ruinous powers then.
steve1 wrote: They dont sell the knife on the site, same with the full kit. They advertised the old knife on the site but it was never available to purchase other than in store.
You mean because of safety reasons?
Any idea what a pro can do with the drill or the sculpting tools (or a built City of Death building)
Our Fine Detail Cutters have been specifically designed to clip plastic component parts from the frame. This precision tool is made from stainless steel and has bypass micro-shear blades which can access even most awkward parts of their plastic frame, making the clipping process quick and easy.
I made a quick calculation and found that:
Buying each tool separately- 114€
Buying the tool set - 117€
Did I miss something or now GW is charging 3€ extra for the cheap canvas bag that other manufacturers throw in for free?
What a load of crap :/
So much for a more reasonable entry cost to newcomers :/ (newcomers who wont immediately realise to go elsewhere, or where exactly to go)
Tools were more "fine" than first expected. Entering obligatory 3fine5me stage of denial.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just actually checked the real prices...
I've gone past the number stage and I am now entering the "what is real?" stage of denial.
steve1 wrote: They dont sell the knife on the site, same with the full kit. They advertised the old knife on the site but it was never available to purchase other than in store.
You mean because of safety reasons?
Any idea what a pro can do with the drill or the sculpting tools (or a built City of Death building)
Please note that the Citadel Knife will only be available to purchase from Games Workshop stores and independent retailers – not online – due to legal age restrictions on knife sales in most countries.
Our Fine Detail Cutters have been specifically designed to clip plastic component parts from the frame. This precision tool is made from stainless steel and has bypass micro-shear blades which can access even most awkward parts of their plastic frame, making the clipping process quick and easy.
Are they just repackaged micro-shear blades? I'd be the last person to stick up for GW, but didn't they also have a thing with Kolinsky when they did the 'Eavy Metal paint set?
Grimtuff wrote: Are they just repackaged micro-shear blades? I'd be the last person to stick up for GW, but didn't they also have a thing with Kolinsky when they did the 'Eavy Metal paint set?
I should probably point out that the Kolinsky is not a specific company, but rather, the animal the hair comes from, also known as the Siberian weasel.
Grimtuff wrote: Are they just repackaged micro-shear blades? I'd be the last person to stick up for GW, but didn't they also have a thing with Kolinsky when they did the 'Eavy Metal paint set?
I should probably point out that the Kolinsky is not a specific company, but rather, the animal the hair comes from, also known as the Siberian weasel.
I thought that was sable. Learn something new. I'd always assumed Kolinsky was the company's name in that.
steve1 wrote: They dont sell the knife on the site, same with the full kit. They advertised the old knife on the site but it was never available to purchase other than in store.
You mean because of safety reasons?
Any idea what a pro can do with the drill or the sculpting tools (or a built City of Death building)
Please note that the Citadel Knife will only be available to purchase from Games Workshop stores and independent retailers – not online – due to legal age restrictions on knife sales in most countries.
"most countries"... what countries? I've ordered knives online and had them shipped to my home, once from another country
Well, they said age restrictions, not distance selling restrictions. It's not illegal to sell knives online in the UK but it's illegal to sell them to kids, I guess they're just erring on the side of caution since kids are a big part of their market.
I'd have thought a lot of countries aren't OK with kids buying knives... surely...
So has anyone had a sales pitch from GW employees for this crap?
Id love to hear them explain how theyre precision, the best and hobby tool...all at same time, when theyre made of aluminum, rather than carbon steel, you cant describe that as the best, are they really precision engineered? can we buy 10,000 of them and measure them all within a couple of thou? I doubt it because cnc tooling is very expensive and for that level of accuracy you spend twice as much on tool bits. And to what end do we need clippers that precise? ... we dont! ... the knife.. well Is it more precise than a Swann & Morton scalpel? proably not.
The best hobby tool kit mightve included a razor saw tbh. ... so much fail in one product release...
So that leaves Hobby Tool.. which Id agree with, theyre crap quality hobby level toolage... maybe theyre the 'best' in the class of hobby tools... (only one in class?) as real tools wouldnt label themselves 'for hobby use only'.
:/ GW really think this little of us?
This is actually the most mockable release theyve done in ages, and theyve done some doozies!
$30 for a pair of sprue clippers, Jesus Christ...sorry, "precision engineered" sprue clippers. Seriously, you're cutting parts off of a sprue, how "precise" do your clippers really have to be? It's not fething surgery, you know.
HairySticks wrote: all at same time, when theyre made of aluminum, rather than carbon steel, you cant describe that as the best,
I believe it's only the brown handles that are anodised aluminium. The shiny bits are actually steel. At least that's what I'm guessing, making tools out of all aluminium is crazy.
are they really precision engineered? can we buy 10,000 of them and measure them all within a couple of thou? I doubt it because cnc tooling is very expensive and for that level of accuracy you spend twice as much on tool bits. And to what end do we need clippers that precise? ... we dont! ... the knife.. well Is it more precise than a Swann & Morton scalpel? proably not.
As far as I'm aware, there is no measure of "precision engineered", could be within 0.001mm or 0.1mm, it just means manufactured in a well controlled way with well defined tolerances, where errors aren't random and unknown but controlled and well understood.
$30 for a pair of sprue clippers, Jesus Christ...sorry, "precision engineered" sprue clippers. Seriously, you're cutting parts off of a sprue, how "precise" do your clippers really have to be? It's not fething surgery, you know.
Actually, I think there's a lot of room for quality and precision in clippers. A cheap set will tear at a model and a good set will do a nice clean cut that requires minimal cleaning up.
Of course, GW clippers in the past have NOT been good quality and I'm sure as hell not paying $32AUD to find out if these ones are well made.
Yes the yellow handles are what GW used to sell... best clippers they ever sold imo. ... they went more and more downhill with each revision of citadel branded ones.. the yellow ones are quite generic once removed fomr the citadel (re) packaging.
Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice).
...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?
GW did sell those clippers, just with red handles. I've been using the same ones since 2008, they were that good. If the new ones perform better than this trusty pair I'll be surprised.
HairySticks wrote: Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice). ...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?
There's so many alloys of stainless steel and carbon steel and so many different ways of heat treating it that it's really impossible to tell. Carbon steel typically can be alloyed and tempered to have the highest yield strength and highest energy absorption... but I can guarantee you the vast majority of tools you buy are no where near any such limit let alone a limit optimised for the particular purpose. I have tool maker friends who swear by stainless for many applications.... but given we have no idea WHAT alloy and what heat treatment they've given them, it's really impossible to comment without doing testing, even if we did know I'm sure some metallurgists could continue to debate for page after page about it, lol.
HairySticks wrote: Ahh yes, they do state 'stainless steel' ... which I guess is better than ally... but cannot possibly be described as the best. Carbon Steel would be (probably still isnt the BEST choice).
...who wants to pay £20 for some stainless steel snips? when xuron will do precision micro shears for £7.50 on ebay?
There's so many alloys of stainless steel and carbon steel and so many different ways of heat treating it that it's really impossible to tell. Carbon steel typically can be alloyed and tempered to have the highest yield strength and highest energy absorption... but I can guarantee you the vast majority of tools you buy are no where near any such limit let alone a limit optimised for the particular purpose. I have tool maker friends who swear by stainless for many applications.... but given we have no idea WHAT alloy and what heat treatment they've given them, it's really impossible to comment without doing testing, even if we did know I'm sure some metallurgists could continue to debate for page after page about it, lol.
Oh ofcourse. But GW state that these are the best (hobby) tools in the world. So I'm being pedantic and picky about what constitutes being 'the best' ... being made from average materials when theres better available doesnt fit the bill to me. - I'm under no delusions that we actually need anything close to tempered carbon steel ultra quality that can cut anything like butter... we cut styrene plastic with them... they barely actually need an edge tbh. Its just GW's false claims of the best that I'm picking fault with.
Well the "best quality clippers in the world" could be stainless. I know you can get exceptional edge holding qualities from certain alloys of stainless when they're properly treated and then they don't rust or need to be coated in oil either.
You can't easily make a sword from any stainless alloys I know about, because edge holding isn't the only important parameter, and making super high quality thin knife blades I imagine would also difficult out of stainless.
But clippers don't really have the same constraints, so maybe you could do "worlds best" quality out of stainless when it comes to clippers that at worst cut very soft metal, because in that case edge holding ability is probably the primary factor and that's something (certain) stainless steels can do very well.
Never bothered with GW knives. The razor saw was always OK though. The new sculpting tools look a lot better than the old one.
Still going to keep my old GW drill though. Say what you want about the other GW tools, the drill is wonderful. I fear the day my last drill bit breaks (although given that in the 4 years I've owned it, only 3 out of the 15 or so it comes with have snapped, I should be fine).
It does look like they have stepped theirgame up mwith these new tools though. And even if they turn out to be crap, the bronze finish looks nice.
Harriticus wrote: I know a doctor, and he tells me those rip-open bags of tools they use to conduct basic surgery cost significantly less than this. It made me chuckle
Are they actually high quality compared to tools you might buy at a hardware store? I always imagined that anything bladed used for surgery was only designed to hold a good edge for a few uses.
Yeah that's pretty useless. It's basically "here's other tools that are cheaper". Even though they're over priced, I'd actually like to see a proper review of them, not just "these be expensive, buy something else".
Yeah that's pretty useless. It's basically "here's other tools that are cheaper". Even though they're over priced, I'd actually like to see a proper review of them, not just "these be expensive, buy something else".
I don't think he understands the mold line scraper, either. The comments on it kind of undermine his credibility as a "reviewer".
Not to say that he doesn't have a point on "you can find most of this stuff way cheaper", but little things like that bother me.
Jehan-reznor wrote: All those detractors on that "review" he shows good alternatives and in the end. you have more tools for less money than the GW option.
Maybe it is not a real review, but it makes clear that the GW tool set is "slightly" overpriced.
If it's not a review then don't call it a review! It's abuse of language I tell you! Abuse!
defo not a review, just saying 'yeah... buy these instead'. I'm inclined to agree with him though.
I dont need to try GW's new tools to tell you that theres absolutely zero special about any of them (except their exorbitant pricing); going off their previous generations of tools... theyre either bog standard quality at high quality prices, or just crap in general.
... they even removed a really useful tool; the razor saw :/
lol Im not sure why I'm bitching about it though; I didnt buy GW's last generation of tools either because of high prices and low quality. Prices just tripled :/ ... Quality mightve tripled too, who knows, but the cheapo tools I've already got are doing the job just fine, Having 'the best' tools... isnt going to make any difference atall to my modeling experience tbh.
If anything it would make me depressed to be reminded of the ripoff everytime i got them out.
Squigsquasher wrote: Never bothered with GW knives. The razor saw was always OK though. The new sculpting tools look a lot better than the old one.
Still going to keep my old GW drill though. Say what you want about the other GW tools, the drill is wonderful. I fear the day my last drill bit breaks (although given that in the 4 years I've owned it, only 3 out of the 15 or so it comes with have snapped, I should be fine).
It does look like they have stepped their game up with these new tools though. And even if they turn out to be crap, the bronze finish looks nice.
Well, the good thing about the new drill, as opposed to the old is that you get different sized bits. They really should have included that with the hobby drill in the first place, instead of just giving you a lot of bits that were all the same size. I've never been super happy with my hobby drill..I'll have to see from other people in the shop if the new one performs any better.
Offering multiple sculpting tools is also a good thing. Whether you go out and get them someplace else is another thing, but they should have offered more than just one.
It looks like you no longer get a brush with the mold line remover, so that's a bit of a shame.
Squigsquasher wrote: Never bothered with GW knives. The razor saw was always OK though. The new sculpting tools look a lot better than the old one.
Still going to keep my old GW drill though. Say what you want about the other GW tools, the drill is wonderful. I fear the day my last drill bit breaks (although given that in the 4 years I've owned it, only 3 out of the 15 or so it comes with have snapped, I should be fine).
It does look like they have stepped their game up with these new tools though. And even if they turn out to be crap, the bronze finish looks nice.
Well, the good thing about the new drill, as opposed to the old is that you get different sized bits. They really should have included that with the hobby drill in the first place, instead of just giving you a lot of bits that were all the same size. I've never been super happy with my hobby drill..I'll have to see from other people in the shop if the new one performs any better.
You know the old GW drill (the one before the rubber handled one) actually had multiple drill sizes. Why they went to a single drill size I have no idea, as the collet can be swapped around for different sized bits.
The older one also holds drill bits better, less likely to slip and easier to tighten.
Offering multiple sculpting tools is also a good thing. Whether you go out and get them someplace else is another thing, but they should have offered more than just one.
It's hard to buy a sculpting tool and NOT get a set, they almost always come in sets, the GW one was an oddity in that you only got the one tool, lol.
You know the old GW drill (the one before the rubber handled one) actually had multiple drill sizes. Why they went to a single drill size I have no idea, as the collet can be swapped around for different sized bits.
The older one also holds drill bits better, less likely to slip and easier to tighten.
I was going to say the same thing. I've recently found that a (not so local) modelling store sells different sized drill bits, so that's were I'll be going in the future. I've already got one old(now grandpa) GW drill and 2 new (now old) ones (only one of which works the other holds the bit at an angle, bought it overseas so returns weren't really an option and I really just needed the bits anyhow).
xD I know what was missing on the older (far far superiour) pin vice from GW... It was generic. It didnt have Citadel written on it, thus it was fail for the brand.
So we get a worse product, costing more because they had to have them made to include the citadel logo.
Gamesworkshop arent a tool company, they will be subcontracting it out. Having to pay the tool maker more for their citadel branded ones over the mass production run generic tools.
Economy of bulk simply doesnt exist for GW branded tools. So they will never compete on price, not untill they give up the citadel stamp again.
X-acto, Squadron Shop, Excel, Testors, and a variety of other companies produce and or sell good hobby tools in a variety of styles and price ranges, all far cheaper than the new GW tools. These companies were supporting modeling hobbyists long before fantasy miniature models were even a thing.
As for sprue nippers, if you're in the US or Canada try Michael's Crafts, they are in the jewelery making section, are the nice steel ones with black handles GW sold years ago, cost about $9 and Michael's regularly has 40% off one item in the store coupons, which would also be handy for purchasing the Xacto or Revell file sets, hobby saws and hobby knives they sell there. Army Painter also sells reasonably priced hobby tools.
Nah, it's much smaller, about the same size as a dental/sculpting tool, but with flat ends and plastic, I could see it being useful for all sorts of odd jobs at the painting desk.
azreal13 wrote: Nah, it's much smaller, about the same size as a dental/sculpting tool, but with flat ends and plastic, I could see it being useful for all sorts of odd jobs at the painting desk.
azreal13 wrote: Nah, it's much smaller, about the same size as a dental/sculpting tool, but with flat ends and plastic, I could see it being useful for all sorts of odd jobs at the painting desk.
Something like this?
If so, "plastic sculpting tools" are what you're looking for.
Though you could just search for "sculpting tools" if you need metal.
It's for spreading paint, so a file wouldn't work because of the textured surface, the sculpting tool might work, but I liked the idea that it is supposedly nylon plastic which paint doesn't stick to that well, making it easier to clean.
azreal13 wrote: So, for reasons I myself am not entirely clear on, I just watched the GW video on the new tool range.
Still not sure if that's the name because of what's being sold of who the target market are...
But one thing I did pick up was that the new sculpting set comes with a spreader for using with texture paint etc instead of a brush.
Anyone know what the 'proper' name for that tool as so I can acquire one for a sensible price?
It almost looks like a spudger for prying apart things and used in telecom, usually tightly sealed electronics, that has been repurposed for painting. Plastic versions are pennies and most usually free with electronics replacement parts for repair shops. You can get really nice nylon or superior metal spudger for less than $10.00
azreal13 wrote: So, for reasons I myself am not entirely clear on, I just watched the GW video on the new tool range.
Still not sure if that's the name because of what's being sold of who the target market are...
But one thing I did pick up was that the new sculpting set comes with a spreader for using with texture paint etc instead of a brush.
Anyone know what the 'proper' name for that tool as so I can acquire one for a sensible price?
It almost looks like a spudger for prying apart things and used in telecom, usually tightly sealed electronics, that has been repurposed for painting. Plastic versions are pennies and most usually free with electronics replacement parts for repair shops. You can get really nice nylon or superior metal spudger for less than $10.00
azreal13 wrote: So, for reasons I myself am not entirely clear on, I just watched the GW video on the new tool range.
Still not sure if that's the name because of what's being sold of who the target market are...
But one thing I did pick up was that the new sculpting set comes with a spreader for using with texture paint etc instead of a brush.
Anyone know what the 'proper' name for that tool as so I can acquire one for a sensible price?
Id guess that its going to be one of three things from an artists store; Colour shaper, Spatula, Pallet Knife..
GW say its made of nylon and is spade shaped though. I'm not sure what craftsman needs a micro sized nylon spade or for what job tbh.... Id call it a spatula though.
Spudgers could work, most of mine are shorter handled thougn than the GW bit (maybe 4" overall).
Plastic has a good bit more bounce than stainless, so having a plastic tool for shaping isnt a bad thing. Also a bit different than a rubber clay shaper too.
Little bit different, but the 4th one from the top looks to have the general form of the GW tool.
As with all these releases, you can get that Duron set, a set of clay shapers and a set of stainless dental picks for the same price as three tools from GW.
This is the knife GW used to sell. Made by Swann-Morton and packaged by GW. Still got two of them and love them to bits, you can get them for a fiver from Amazon.
So, a few overpriced, average tools with the GW mark and bag, or save a bundle and get as good if not better quality tools w/o the GW brand for far less, and more tools and replacement tool bits like the drill/sculpt tools/blades, etc. Now it would be good if he stress tested the tools for their ability, but he did not have to.
GW playing it off as they see themselves so highly, yet these are likely sub contracted tools made with the GW brand for GW. Honestly, the safer bet is buying the listed other party tools for the lower cost, in this economy, GW is still in fantasy land as far as their prices go.
azreal13 wrote: It's for spreading paint, so a file wouldn't work because of the textured surface, the sculpting tool might work, but I liked the idea that it is supposedly nylon plastic which paint doesn't stick to that well, making it easier to clean.
I use tamiya paint stirrers.
They are chromed metal, with a spoon shaped bit at one end (its tiny) and a flat blade at the other. They are intended for stirring paint in airbrush paintcups, the 5ml small ones, so the ends are small, but I find them great for spreading putty or anything. The beauty is that nothing sticks to them. They don't bend like plastic ones do, but mine are 8 years old and look like new.
Can't remember how much they cost, but they come as a pair.
I haven't bought anything from GW in a long time, but I can see a few of these finding their way into my grubby mitts.
I'll be honest, I love the look of the knife, drill & clippers. I know there ridiculously expensive, and possibly of dubious quality, but they do appeal to me, so I must be the kind of sucker that GW love!!
Does anyone remember the last time GW knifes used the 'Swann Morton' style blade? I do, and I remember seeing blister pack of replacement blades (5 in a silver packet) in the York GW for £5 - yes, £5 - about 5 times what you would pay for them elsewhere - and that was years ago - what would they charge now??
azreal13 wrote: It's for spreading paint, so a file wouldn't work because of the textured surface, the sculpting tool might work, but I liked the idea that it is supposedly nylon plastic which paint doesn't stick to that well, making it easier to clean.
I use tamiya paint stirrers.
They are chromed metal, with a spoon shaped bit at one end (its tiny) and a flat blade at the other. They are intended for stirring paint in airbrush paintcups, the 5ml small ones, so the ends are small, but I find them great for spreading putty or anything. The beauty is that nothing sticks to them. They don't bend like plastic ones do, but mine are 8 years old and look like new.
Can't remember how much they cost, but they come as a pair.
They're on Feebay for around £5 delivered. Look good too, evidently in the space of 24 hours I've gone from not being aware that there was a tool I wanted, to not knowing what it was called, to having a choice of several!
Herzlos wrote: They'd probably make you buy a new knife. Like when they stopped selling the drill bits individually and expected you to buy a new drill...
They probably realised that their customers realise after buying the drill that they can buy bits for next to nothing from a hardware store, lol.
