I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.
We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.
I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.
Well risking off topic warning I will comment only once more (sorry mods).
Well I was thinking also about this since zeal, till last man standing policy etc. So maybe situation is so dire that was only possible solution. Maybe someone summoned them, someone important enough for Space Marines to retreat to gathering point or something along these lines.
Wasnt there speculation that Dark Eldar have one of the Primarchs in their pits as a prisoner.
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
This. Y'all clam down.
I'm still hoping for a complete, or even partial, rules reboot. I love the models but the rules are a monstrosity and at this point no fun to play (for me).
Background can stay the same or advance by a few years.
Y'all got any 40K examples? Any examples that didn't come before a massive end to basically an entire product line and the start of a completely new product line?
Think the closest we can get is Captain Tycho and Eldrad. You know, before they retconned Eldrad.
Lord Solar Marcharus was dead even before his model came out.
The first Sister Saint from 2nd edition was dead as well but never got a model I can recall.
Some of the IG special charcters (Captain Arabia, maybe others) were dead in the current timeline as well.
Really not an issue since it can be a 'historical' game or the model can represent any of the billions of other folks just as good as the named characters.
jreilly89 wrote: I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.
We don't know that.
We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.
The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.
Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.
Probably wouldn't happen but I would also not discount the idea as impossible. I mean 2 models for Arhiman were released within a very short-time window. (granted they were for 30k and 40k respectively).
Sersi wrote: I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.
We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.
I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.
Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )
Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer
I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.
I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.
jreilly89 wrote: I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.
We don't know that.
We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.
The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??
S.Y.
The metals may not be discontinued even if the sisters get a full plastic relaunch. You can still get plenty of metal IG units if you want them. I'm less confident than I was in full plastic sisters, but I still feel like they are coming. With Tzeentch covering most of January, I would actually expect sisters in February now. We should have a better idea later this week/early next week as people start getting early copies of White Dwarf.
jreilly89 wrote: I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.
We don't know that.
We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.
The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??
S.Y.
The metals may not be discontinued even if the sisters get a full plastic relaunch. You can still get plenty of metal IG units if you want them. I'm less confident than I was in full plastic sisters, but I still feel like they are coming. With Tzeentch covering most of January, I would actually expect sisters in February now. We should have a better idea later this week/early next week as people start getting early copies of White Dwarf.
That's actually a good point. Huh. Thanks .
S.Y.
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BrookM wrote: If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!
Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?
Dreamchild wrote: I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!
Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?
I'm guessing because Magnus is back and he kinda caused the first one?
Plus the whole Death watch box game against the Eldar. That was in the Webway right?
agnosto wrote: I like the sisters, barring high-heels (really? I'm sure loads of female soldiers wear high heels to battle...no, they don't.) but the Magos is just a bit too busy which I guess is true for the whole Mechanicum line (weee cogs, spikes, and extra mechanical arms for everybody!).
What high heels do you see exactly? The only heels there are, are on the inquisitor (and inquisitors are hardly known for their fashion sense) and off canoness Viridian (which was based off the art). Neither Celestine or her bodyguard are wearing them.
TBF, you're right; I guess the heels on the Inquisitor just made me see heels on Celestine and the Gemini that simply weren't there; thanks for the correction. I'm less bothered by the "boob plate" than I thought I would be; it's nicely understated compared to where they could have gone with it (glad they didn't).
I stand behind my Magos comment; the more I look at the model, the more it hurts my eyes; it's like they covered it in glue and tossed it into a bits box. Otherwise brilliant model that suffers from detail for detail's sake.
agnosto wrote: I like the sisters, barring high-heels (really? I'm sure loads of female soldiers wear high heels to battle...no, they don't.) but the Magos is just a bit too busy which I guess is true for the whole Mechanicum line (weee cogs, spikes, and extra mechanical arms for everybody!).
What high heels do you see exactly? The only heels there are, are on the inquisitor (and inquisitors are hardly known for their fashion sense) and off canoness Viridian (which was based off the art). Neither Celestine or her bodyguard are wearing them.
TBF, you're right; I guess the heels on the Inquisitor just made me see heels on Celestine and the Gemini that simply weren't there; thanks for the correction. I'm less bothered by the "boob plate" than I thought I would be; it's nicely understated compared to where they could have gone with it (glad they didn't).
I stand behind my Magos comment; the more I look at the model, the more it hurts my eyes; it's like they covered it in glue and tossed it into a bits box. Otherwise brilliant model that suffers from detail for detail's sake.
All personal opinion.
But its supposed to hurt your eyes. He IS an abomination.
Armored heels make a lot more sense on an Inquisitor than a battle sister of any rank, really. I know Vandire commissioned the sororitas armour because he was going full-on magical realm, but I feel like the mechanicus would veto that particular ask because they're the exact sort to have the same issues over it as we are.
jreilly89 wrote: On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.
If GW limits the plastic sisters to this trio of characters and leaves their infantry as $100+ per box of aging metal I think I know what I'll be complaining about...
But frankly I think the whole 'legitimate grievance' angle makes sisters whiners inherently less irritating than say, people who crow about how games workshop will definitely declare bankruptcy this month, or the people who've been bemoaning the inevitability of 40k end times for a good two years now.
Dreamchild wrote: I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!
Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?
I'm guessing because Magnus is back and he kinda caused the first one?
Plus the whole Death watch box game against the Eldar. That was in the Webway right?
S.Y.
Got a point there definitively, although I believe DM was on some planet's moon somewhere. I didn't know if there were any trusted rumors on something happening in the webway but I couldn't find anything bar the picture in question.
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.
Sersi wrote: I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.
We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.
I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.
Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )
Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer
I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.
I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.
S.Y.
I get where your coming from. But....I and many others enjoyed End times, and Age of Sigmar...crazy I know. I bought the books and many of the models and didn't feel cheated by it. I also enjoyed the old world, but I don't miss it though. But really we need to stop comparing the too. Fantasy was dying. 40K is very much alive as is 30K. We might not like some of the new background but GW is not going to nuke the Universe.
I'm all for Cadia falling. Its but one of the millions of Imperium's worlds, and it makes narrative sense given how they developed the story. Having daemonic incursions erupt all over the segmentum leaves the Imperium in a tough place. Either bleed off the defensive fleets and units around Cadia to shore up defenses elsewhere or sacrifice billions to chaos....only making it stronger.
I don't even have a problem with a second battle of Terra as long as the development is logical and makes sense. The war between the Imperium and Chaos has been cold for a long time. It'll be a pleasant change to have it turn hot for awhile. I doesn't have to end in victory or defeat to either side, we might only see a re-drawing of some borders.
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.
Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).
Now that would be an impressive kit. They haven't done a special Bike character since Sammael. Plus they could shortcome the limitations of a Pure primarch by giving him a crazy Bike.
I can totally see Kahn coming back as the first Loyalist Primarch.
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.
Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.
Valten says hi. Remember him? 3 versions of him in the timeframe of about a year IIRC.
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.
Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).
Indeed. WFB was their lowest earner for a very long time
Now that would be an impressive kit. They haven't done a special Bike character since Sammael. Plus they could shortcome the limitations of a Pure primarch by giving him a crazy Bike.
I can totally see Kahn coming back as the first Loyalist Primarch.
Some friends and I have a little 'pool' going as to which Loyalist Primarch will be the first to return.
My own personal guesses?
A) Vulkan. We know, from the "Beast Arises" series of novels, that he intends to return to the Imperium based upon some kind of vision/need. He mentions during those novels that "My return is not intended for this war, but I cannot ignore my father's Imperium in its moment of need."
B) Corax. I kind of feel like the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master and Shrike's elevation to Chapter Master might be setting up a "The father returns" kind of deal.
C) The Lion. They made a big deal about him "stirring" within the Fenris stuff.
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.
Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.
Valten says hi. Remember him? 3 versions of him in the timeframe of about a year IIRC.
You do know that was deliberate to show his age progression during the Storm of Chaos campaign right?
Sersi wrote: I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.
We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.
I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.
Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )
Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer
I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.
I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.
S.Y.
I get where your coming from. But....I and many others enjoyed End times, and Age of Sigmar...crazy I know. I bought the books and many of the models and didn't feel cheated by it. I also enjoyed the old world, but I don't miss it though. But really we need to stop comparing the too. Fantasy was dying. 40K is very much alive as is 30K. We might not like some of the new background but GW is not going to nuke the Universe.
I'm all for Cadia falling. Its but one of the millions of Imperium's worlds, and it makes narrative sense given how they developed the story. Having daemonic incursions erupt all over the segmentum leaves the Imperium in a tough place. Either bleed off the defensive fleets and units around Cadia to shore up defenses elsewhere or sacrifice billions to chaos....only making it stronger.
I don't even have a problem with a second battle of Terra as long as the development is logical and makes sense. The war between the Imperium and Chaos has been cold for a long time. It'll be a pleasant change to have it turn hot for awhile. I doesn't have to end in victory or defeat to either side, we might only see a re-drawing of some borders.
I'm glad that you enjoyed End Times and enjoy AoS, fair play to you. I was told my army wouldn't be killed of and yet it was.
Do you understand what will happen if the Traitor Legions hit Terra again? And actually kill the Emperor ? Gg world dead, Dark Imperium. Or Eye of Terror 2.0.
Or 50k AoS. 2.0. Old Emps didn't die he just transcended and slapped the chaos Gods.
I want to make this clear, I like the Tzzangors. I really do, I think AoS has helped GW create some fantastic models and some wonderful artwork.
I truly desperately hope that it never reaches anywhere near Terra, I'm fine with A mechanicus Civil war, I'm fine with almost anything up to Necromunda falling. Even then if it saved Earth yeah okay ill take the hit for my favourite Setting.
Reaching Earth is a Game over for 40k it might as well just be AoS with Boltguns.
Anyway. Youve made me see AoS in a better light. Thank you.
S.Y.
P.S. we do need compare how they handled the Transition from End Times into AoS as this could very well be the 40k equivalent.
They saw how it boosted those sales, I'm guessing they think they could pull off another sales boosting reboot.
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.
Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.
Valten says hi. Remember him? 3 versions of him in the timeframe of about a year IIRC.
You do know that was deliberate to show his age progression during the Storm of Chaos campaign right?
You just presented a legitimate reason for why they could have multiple St Celestines. You can use the same reason, to show her progression during the 40K End Times. To me Celestines new model looks very bland, only thing that makes her special are the wings. You could put a normal sisters jet pack on her and she'd be any other Seraphim. Heck they all have almost identical swords, so the Gemini swords are lesser ardent blades with built in flamers instead of heavy flamers?
jreilly89 wrote: On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.
If GW limits the plastic sisters to this trio of characters and leaves their infantry as $100+ per box of aging metal I think I know what I'll be complaining about...
But frankly I think the whole 'legitimate grievance' angle makes sisters whiners inherently less irritating than say, people who crow about how games workshop will definitely declare bankruptcy this month, or the people who've been bemoaning the inevitability of 40k end times for a good two years now.
Fair, but based on their latest releases, I'd say odds are good you'll get more than just this trio.
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.
Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.
Valten says hi. Remember him? 3 versions of him in the timeframe of about a year IIRC.
You do know that was deliberate to show his age progression during the Storm of Chaos campaign right?
You just presented a legitimate reason for why they could have multiple St Celestines. You can use the same reason, to show her progression during the 40K End Times. To me Celestines new model looks very bland, only thing that makes her special are the wings. You could put a normal sisters jet pack on her and she'd be any other Seraphim. Heck they all have almost identical swords, so the Gemini swords are lesser ardent blades with built in flamers instead of heavy flamers?
They won't do that though. Valten and Archaon were the stars of a world wide campaign. Celestine is a co-star of a supplement. It's not quite on the same scale. It would be nice to see, but it won't happen. Besides, that's quite a nice part of Celestine's story. That she was an ordinary woman (a repentia in fact if my memory serves), not some golden poster boy.
Some friends and I have a little 'pool' going as to which Loyalist Primarch will be the first to return.
My own personal guesses?
A) Vulkan. We know, from the "Beast Arises" series of novels, that he intends to return to the Imperium based upon some kind of vision/need. He mentions during those novels that "My return is not intended for this war, but I cannot ignore my father's Imperium in its moment of need."
B) Corax. I kind of feel like the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master and Shrike's elevation to Chapter Master might be setting up a "The father returns" kind of deal.
C) The Lion. They made a big deal about him "stirring" within the Fenris stuff.
Lion El'Johnson is the only one of the 3 who is alive-ish. He's just stashed in a storeroom in the Rock. He can come out of the closet any time he wants.
I'm glad that you enjoyed End Times and enjoy AoS, fair play to you. I was told my army wouldn't be killed of and yet it was.
Every army that had rules in 8th has rules in AoS. You can find them in the app still. Additionally, if you look you can still find the Compendiums as download files from GW themselves.
Do you understand what will happen if the Traitor Legions hit Terra again? And actually kill the Emperor ? Gg world dead, Dark Imperium. Or Eye of Terror 2.0.
Or 50k AoS. 2.0. Old Emps didn't die he just transcended and slapped the chaos Gods.
I want to make this clear, I like the Tzzangors. I really do, I think AoS has helped GW create some fantastic models and some wonderful artwork.
I truly desperately hope that it never reaches anywhere near Terra, I'm fine with A mechanicus Civil war, I'm fine with almost anything up to Necromunda falling. Even then if it saved Earth yeah okay ill take the hit for my favourite Setting.
Reaching Earth is a Game over for 40k it might as well just be AoS with Boltguns.
Anyway. Youve made me see AoS in a better light. Thank you.
S.Y.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to start lamenting them killing off 40k or anything like that. We don't know what will happen. The Cadian Gate is a critical point of entry from the Eye of Terror for the fact that it's a stable gateway where ships can be brought through en masse. But that doesn't mean Cadia falling will give Chaos unfettered access to Terra or the solar system.
P.S. we do need compare how they handled the Transition from End Times into AoS as this could very well be the 40k equivalent.
They saw how it boosted those sales, I'm guessing they think they could pull off another sales boosting reboot.
The transition from End Times into AoS was never going to be smooth. It's moving the setting from a single world to a multi-planar setting.
What boosted sales in End Times was:
A) New characters and units for three of the most popular factions(Chaos, Skaven, and Vampire Counts). Notice that the "Good Guys" didn't actually get anything at all.
B) New books with rules for everyone. If Khaine hadn't brought in new rules for Magic, I doubt it would have sold as well as it did.
C) New combined army lists. I saw a lot of Elf stuff get sold as soon as we saw the "Combined" Elf lists.
The third part is something we can already do in 40k right now. The other two are something that has been done over the course of the past year. Lots of supplemental material with model releases attached to it.
Zwan1One wrote: I wonder if they will drag this out for as long as the Horus heresy?
Considering that the Black Crusade Book was out in what? 2002 or so. It's already been going a few years longer
Isn't that retconned?
S.Y.
IIRC it's never been contradicted. Basically it happened in M41 Y999, then GW never took it to a conclusion instead focusing on events elsewhere or a few years before.
Some friends and I have a little 'pool' going as to which Loyalist Primarch will be the first to return.
My own personal guesses?
A) Vulkan. We know, from the "Beast Arises" series of novels, that he intends to return to the Imperium based upon some kind of vision/need. He mentions during those novels that "My return is not intended for this war, but I cannot ignore my father's Imperium in its moment of need."
B) Corax. I kind of feel like the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master and Shrike's elevation to Chapter Master might be setting up a "The father returns" kind of deal.
C) The Lion. They made a big deal about him "stirring" within the Fenris stuff.
Lion El'Johnson is the only one of the 3 who is alive-ish. He's just stashed in a storeroom in the Rock. He can come out of the closet any time he wants.
I'm not sure if that's intentional but, if so well done.
Some friends and I have a little 'pool' going as to which Loyalist Primarch will be the first to return.
My own personal guesses?
A) Vulkan. We know, from the "Beast Arises" series of novels, that he intends to return to the Imperium based upon some kind of vision/need. He mentions during those novels that "My return is not intended for this war, but I cannot ignore my father's Imperium in its moment of need."
B) Corax. I kind of feel like the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master and Shrike's elevation to Chapter Master might be setting up a "The father returns" kind of deal.
C) The Lion. They made a big deal about him "stirring" within the Fenris stuff.
Lion El'Johnson is the only one of the 3 who is alive-ish. He's just stashed in a storeroom in the Rock. He can come out of the closet any time he wants.
Lion El'Johnson is the only one of the 3 who is known to be alive-ish.
We know from "The Beast Arises" series that Vulkan is still active circa that timeframe, and that he is keeping an eye on the Imperium while retaining a low profile.
Corax and Vulkan are unknowns, same as the Khan and Russ.
Zwan1One wrote: I wonder if they will drag this out for as long as the Horus heresy?
Considering that the Black Crusade Book was out in what? 2002 or so. It's already been going a few years longer
Isn't that retconned?
S.Y.
IIRC it's never been contradicted. Basically it happened in M41 Y999, then GW never took it to a conclusion instead focusing on events elsewhere or a few years before.
"Cadian Blood" actually has some stuff post-13th Black Crusade in its ending.
WrentheFaceless wrote: Sad how threads like this that have exciting stuff always get derailed by SoB gakking even when they finally are getting neat stuff too
Or people like you doing nothing more than complaining about Sisters players. Pot Kettle Black. it would be better to actually contribute to the discussion in some way rather than just complaining don't you think?
The thread has gone off on a tangent about how this could be the End Times and its more about that and the loss of the whole current story and characters like Creed, Cadia as a whole and then there has a been a couple of mentions about if Celestine will die (again), mainly along the lines that GW often does this to allow Marines the lime light as has been seen in most campaign packs.
I love the new Sisters models - immediate purchase - along with the Canoness when they finally have her available again.
I think it could be the herald for 8th edition but I am not convinced they would go as far as they did in WFB as they donlt need to - they can advance the story without the slate being clean.
I am looking forward to many new things for many factions - Exodites, More Xenos, Sisters
I hope they will look at some of the neglected marine chaptrers ratehr than just Bloody Blood vampire or Wolfy Wolves or or so secrative Dark Angels (*) - A proper stealth team for Raven Guard, Salamnder Firedrake Terminators - one or two well done lore units for a variety of Chatpers not just another tired hackneyed variation on something Wolfy.
I'm glad that you enjoyed End Times and enjoy AoS, fair play to you. I was told my army wouldn't be killed of and yet it was.
Every army that had rules in 8th has rules in AoS. You can find them in the app still. Additionally, if you look you can still find the Compendiums as download files from GW themselves.
Do you understand what will happen if the Traitor Legions hit Terra again? And actually kill the Emperor ? Gg world dead, Dark Imperium. Or Eye of Terror 2.0.
Or 50k AoS. 2.0. Old Emps didn't die he just transcended and slapped the chaos Gods.
I want to make this clear, I like the Tzzangors. I really do, I think AoS has helped GW create some fantastic models and some wonderful artwork.
I truly desperately hope that it never reaches anywhere near Terra, I'm fine with A mechanicus Civil war, I'm fine with almost anything up to Necromunda falling. Even then if it saved Earth yeah okay ill take the hit for my favourite Setting.
Reaching Earth is a Game over for 40k it might as well just be AoS with Boltguns.
Anyway. Youve made me see AoS in a better light. Thank you.
S.Y.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to start lamenting them killing off 40k or anything like that. We don't know what will happen. The Cadian Gate is a critical point of entry from the Eye of Terror for the fact that it's a stable gateway where ships can be brought through en masse. But that doesn't mean Cadia falling will give Chaos unfettered access to Terra or the solar system.
P.S. we do need compare how they handled the Transition from End Times into AoS as this could very well be the 40k equivalent.
They saw how it boosted those sales, I'm guessing they think they could pull off another sales boosting reboot.
The transition from End Times into AoS was never going to be smooth. It's moving the setting from a single world to a multi-planar setting.
What boosted sales in End Times was:
A) New characters and units for three of the most popular factions(Chaos, Skaven, and Vampire Counts). Notice that the "Good Guys" didn't actually get anything at all.
B) New books with rules for everyone. If Khaine hadn't brought in new rules for Magic, I doubt it would have sold as well as it did.
C) New combined army lists. I saw a lot of Elf stuff get sold as soon as we saw the "Combined" Elf lists.
The third part is something we can already do in 40k right now. The other two are something that has been done over the course of the past year. Lots of supplemental material with model releases attached to it.
What you have said is 1000% true.
It is far too early to start hitting the Panic button. While I'm wary of what will happen. I just hope that it won't be just Kaboom AOS 2.0.
WrentheFaceless wrote: Sad how threads like this that have exciting stuff always get derailed by SoB gakking even when they finally are getting neat stuff too
Or people like you doing nothing more than complaining about Sisters players. Pot Kettle Black. it would be better to actually contribute to the discussion in some way rather than just complaining don't you think?
The thread has gone off on a tangent about how this could be the End Times and its more about that and the loss of the whole current story and characters like Creed, Cadia as a whole and then there has a been a couple of mentions about if Celestine will die (again), mainly along the lines that GW often does this to allow Marines the lime light as has been seen in most campaign packs.
I love the new Sisters models - immediate purchase - along with the Canoness when they finally have her available again.
I think it could be the herald for 8th edition but I am not convinced they would go as far as they did in WFB as they donlt need to - they can advance the story without the slate being clean.
I am looking forward to many new things for many factions - Exodites, More Xenos, Sisters
I hope they will look at some of the neglected marine chaptrers ratehr than just Bloody Blood vampire or Wolfy Wolves or or so secrative Dark Angels (*) - A proper stealth team for Raven Guard, Salamnder Firedrake Terminators - one or two well done lore units for a variety of Chatpers not just another tired hackneyed variation on something Wolfy.
(*) i have Space Wolf and Dark Angels armies
Perhaps if you got a few pages back you can see multiple contributions to the discussion by myself.
Contribution that was drowned out by the "not good enough' crowd
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.
Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).
He's referring to all tabletop miniature games. As in, 40k, X-Wing, Warmahordes, etc.
Uh, no. LotR/The Hobbit was trailing wwwwaaayyyy behind Fantasy for years.
WHFB was pulling a profit, just not enough to make GW happy. So they realised if they blewup the universe they had an excuse to shoehorn Not-Space Marines in. From then on its fate was sealed.
MadCowCrazy wrote: How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra. So you would have a normal Celestine kit that can also be used as something as something else and later another Living Saint kit that is a truly big LoW.
How about something as bland as the Celestant Prime, I am thinking more of Archon. What, he was on a tiny horse before and now has a grand mount. I would love to see something like this for Celestine kit. Something more grander than the Celestant Prime and something more like the new Archon kit. I don't know how it can be done, but would love to see it.
Im gonna be ok with just the Celestine for now, I think this is the most excited I've been to wanting to paint a miniature, she will look stunning blazing with light in the midst of a tidal wave of Black clad marines. Anyone painted the impression of holy light or emitting fire before? Just a load of yellows and whites?
WrentheFaceless wrote: Sad how threads like this that have exciting stuff always get derailed by SoB gakking even when they finally are getting neat stuff too
Or people like you doing nothing more than complaining about Sisters players. Pot Kettle Black. it would be better to actually contribute to the discussion in some way rather than just complaining don't you think?
The thread has gone off on a tangent about how this could be the End Times and its more about that and the loss of the whole current story and characters like Creed, Cadia as a whole and then there has a been a couple of mentions about if Celestine will die (again), mainly along the lines that GW often does this to allow Marines the lime light as has been seen in most campaign packs.
I love the new Sisters models - immediate purchase - along with the Canoness when they finally have her available again.
I think it could be the herald for 8th edition but I am not convinced they would go as far as they did in WFB as they donlt need to - they can advance the story without the slate being clean.
I am looking forward to many new things for many factions - Exodites, More Xenos, Sisters
I hope they will look at some of the neglected marine chaptrers ratehr than just Bloody Blood vampire or Wolfy Wolves or or so secrative Dark Angels (*) - A proper stealth team for Raven Guard, Salamnder Firedrake Terminators - one or two well done lore units for a variety of Chatpers not just another tired hackneyed variation on something Wolfy.
(*) i have Space Wolf and Dark Angels armies
Perhaps if you got a few pages back you can see multiple contributions to the discussion by myself.
Contribution that was drowned out by the "not good enough' crowd
Went back to page 18 and the only post I coud see of yours it the one I quoted.
As I said there are a variety of discussisons going on - much of the issues seems to be more around the death of WFB which has nothing to do with Sisters of Battle.
Im gonna be ok with just the Celestine for now, I think this is the most excited I've been to wanting to paint a miniature, she will look stunning blazing with light in the midst of a tidal wave of Black clad marines. Anyone painted the impression of holy light or emitting fire before? Just a load of yellows and whites?
Me too - she looks fantastic - I can't paint but lookign forward to someone capturing that image in model form
I find it hilarious everyone is speculating whether or not Celestine will die on Cadia, and how that invalidates the model....
I mean, isn't her whole shtick how she dies and comes back?
I fully expect her to die in some glorious manor, and for the defenses to later falter only for her to return like the living saint she is in the darkest hour of battle.
Frankly I would be surprised and let down if she didn't die She is the perfect martyr for such a story line. She can die more often then Kenny and it shouldn't reflect on her models sales.
Now, the killing of Abby at the start of his crusade would have a much greater impact and create a head scratch of a hurdle for them. I think it is safe to assume he survives the fall of Cadia without a sweat.
MadCowCrazy wrote:
How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.
So you would have a normal Celestine kit that can also be used as something as something else and later another Living Saint kit that is a truly big LoW.
How about something as bland as the Celestant Prime, I am thinking more of Archon. What, he was on a tiny horse before and now has a grand mount. I would love to see something like this for Celestine kit. Something more grander than the Celestant Prime and something more like the new Archon kit. I don't know how it can be done, but would love to see it.
Dorghar, Archaon's horse, was and always has been a Daemonic Mount. It always just took the form of a bigger than average horse.
The reason Dorghar is so "grand" now? It ate a Greater(well, Greatest) Daemon from one of each of the three Ruinous Powers who can exercise their power. Part of the backstory for Archaon now is that after the fall of the original setting, Archaon kind of...drifted. When Chaos found Sigmar's creations, Archaon came back. The Ruinous Powers each sent one of their Greater(est) Daemons to kill Archaon.
After he killed all three of them, Dorghar consumed their essences and thus we get New Dorghar.
Red Corsair wrote: I find it hilarious everyone is speculating whether or not Celestine will die on Cadia, and how that invalidates the model....
I mean, isn't her whole shtick how she dies and comes back?
This.
She was a dead repentia dragged back behind the line to give her her final rites when she sat up and proclaimed death to heretics.
She was declared a living saint some time after that when she boosted a dead saint's power armour in order to purge heretics more zealously.
She died at last storming a fortress that had an atomic self destruct system.
Then she appeared again in the midst of battle years later.
She's a perfect candidate. She'll die during the Cadian campaign with all indication she's never coming back, only to reappear during the siege of Terra in a glorious ray of light, smiting down whoever killed her previously.
Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.
Yeah, that is weird...
"Lord Castellan" is the ranking he insisted upon being reactivated post-Tyrok Fields and the death of the Governor. He was offered Governorship, but turned it down in favor of "Lord Castellan"(which is a strictly military title and in a sense a kind of de facto dictatorship position) after that.
He was a General during the lead-up to the likely timeframe for "The Gathering Storm", so I can't think of why there's a "Major" in front of it.
(Note: All the information I mentioned about Lord Castellan is present in "Legends of the Dark Millenium: Astra Militarum", starting with the short story "Last Step Backwards").
Interestingly enough, they are referring to Creed as "Major Lord Castellan Creed" for some reason.
Strange, I thought he was at least a Colonel or above that. He's a Company Commander crunchwise.
Far above that. Creed was a General during the lead-up to Tyrok Fields. Lord Castellan is a position that might as well mean "Warmaster" for the Cadian system.
Sersi wrote: I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.
We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.
I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.
Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )
Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer
I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.
I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.
S.Y.
I get where your coming from. But....I and many others enjoyed End times, and Age of Sigmar...crazy I know. I bought the books and many of the models and didn't feel cheated by it. I also enjoyed the old world, but I don't miss it though. But really we need to stop comparing the too. Fantasy was dying. 40K is very much alive as is 30K. We might not like some of the new background but GW is not going to nuke the Universe.
I'm all for Cadia falling. Its but one of the millions of Imperium's worlds, and it makes narrative sense given how they developed the story. Having daemonic incursions erupt all over the segmentum leaves the Imperium in a tough place. Either bleed off the defensive fleets and units around Cadia to shore up defenses elsewhere or sacrifice billions to chaos....only making it stronger.
I don't even have a problem with a second battle of Terra as long as the development is logical and makes sense. The war between the Imperium and Chaos has been cold for a long time. It'll be a pleasant change to have it turn hot for awhile. I doesn't have to end in victory or defeat to either side, we might only see a re-drawing of some borders.
I'm glad that you enjoyed End Times and enjoy AoS, fair play to you. I was told my army wouldn't be killed of and yet it was.
Do you understand what will happen if the Traitor Legions hit Terra again? And actually kill the Emperor ? Gg world dead, Dark Imperium. Or Eye of Terror 2.0.
Or 50k AoS. 2.0. Old Emps didn't die he just transcended and slapped the chaos Gods.
I want to make this clear, I like the Tzzangors. I really do, I think AoS has helped GW create some fantastic models and some wonderful artwork.
I truly desperately hope that it never reaches anywhere near Terra, I'm fine with A mechanicus Civil war, I'm fine with almost anything up to Necromunda falling. Even then if it saved Earth yeah okay ill take the hit for my favourite Setting.
Reaching Earth is a Game over for 40k it might as well just be AoS with Boltguns.
Anyway. Youve made me see AoS in a better light. Thank you.
S.Y.
P.S. we do need compare how they handled the Transition from End Times into AoS as this could very well be the 40k equivalent.
They saw how it boosted those sales, I'm guessing they think they could pull off another sales boosting reboot.
I have the feeling that Chaos his either be turned back or the war will bog down before ever reaching Terra. According to Warhammer TV the spin off campaigns will run into 2018 at least. I can't see anything like End times happening to 40K. GW seems to be doing very well at the moment by giving us things we want to buy. Although, I wouldn't mind if they ported some of the simplified rule set and handling of monsters from AOS over to 40K.
That said nearly anything can be justified with good story telling. Failing that we can always ignore the odious bits with appropriate head canon.
Kanluwen wrote: Dorghar, Archaon's horse, was and always has been a Daemonic Mount. It always just took the form of a bigger than average horse.
The reason Dorghar is so "grand" now? It ate a Greater(well, Greatest) Daemon from one of each of the three Ruinous Powers who can exercise their power. Part of the backstory for Archaon now is that after the fall of the original setting, Archaon kind of...drifted. When Chaos found Sigmar's creations, Archaon came back. The Ruinous Powers each sent one of their Greater(est) Daemons to kill Archaon.
After he killed all three of them, Dorghar consumed their essences and thus we get New Dorghar.
Thank you. I did not know that. I forgot the name but didn't know about Dorghar consuming them. That is awesome. Dang, once I have the money I think I will have to buy that book now. What was that book called?
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
I just thought of something and it might be a long shot but HOPEFULLY IG gets a decurion that doesn't involve 150 everyday guardsmen as its core choice.
Kanluwen wrote: Dorghar, Archaon's horse, was and always has been a Daemonic Mount. It always just took the form of a bigger than average horse.
The reason Dorghar is so "grand" now? It ate a Greater(well, Greatest) Daemon from one of each of the three Ruinous Powers who can exercise their power. Part of the backstory for Archaon now is that after the fall of the original setting, Archaon kind of...drifted. When Chaos found Sigmar's creations, Archaon came back. The Ruinous Powers each sent one of their Greater(est) Daemons to kill Archaon.
After he killed all three of them, Dorghar consumed their essences and thus we get New Dorghar.
Thank you. I did not know that. I forgot the name but didn't know about Dorghar consuming them. That is awesome. Dang, once I have the money I think I will have to buy that book now. What was that book called?
It's not just one book. I'm blanking on which books in particular had that info(the first few months of AoS I powered through the fluff stuff in a big way), but I want to say that "Everchosen"(the Archaon and Varanguard army book) has that story and fluff in it.
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
She's on a 50mm base while the Geminae seem to be on 40mm bases. I'm going to guess probably $60 USD for all 3.
Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
She's on a 50mm base while the Geminae seem to be on 40mm bases. I'm going to guess probably $60 USD for all 3.
I think going forward GW is going to do more character kits like this, just like how they've done the Genestealer Cult Patriarch/Magus/Prime and the Thousand Son's Exalted Sorcerers... GW's clearly realized that if it wants a certain kind of money for their plastic character minis it means giving us more than just a single character.
I wonder if this campaign will present formations with mixed forces. DEldar, Black Templars, Celestine, Mechanicum.
Dont know if the imperial agents had something like that.
WoM didnt even combine daemons and TS, but AoS dont mind making fluffy formations with stormcasts and sylvaneth, or mixing in the option of "other" factions.
I have the feeling that Chaos his either be turned back or the war will bog down before ever reaching Terra. According to Warhammer TV the spin off campaigns will run into 2018 at least. I can't see anything like End times happening to 40K. GW seems to be doing very well at the moment by giving us things we want to buy. Although, I wouldn't mind if they ported some of the simplified rule set and handling of monsters from AOS over to 40K.
That said nearly anything can be justified with good story telling. Failing that we can always ignore the odious bits with appropriate head canon.
Just to point out one major difference between GW during the End Times and now, no Alan Merrett. He was the incompetent overtyrant of IP and fluff. His view of 40k and WHFB were what was allowed to go out. I hope for a better scenario for 40k now than the WHFB ET.
On the negative, Matt Ward is back, so that probably means the Gemini will end up impaled on Abbadon's trophy rack's and he'll have a banner made of the Celestine's flayed skin, because #MattWard.
Davor wrote: Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY? What other special character comes with other models? All others you have to buy separately as far as I know. What is the reason behind 3 models? I take it this means she wont be in a blister but a standard infantry box. The question remains, why is she 3 models instead of 1? Does this mean she can't join other models? So can I no longer put her in a unit of Seraphim? (Fluff wise the place to put her would be a unit of Repentia but I digress...)
So we have 3 models, we have The Fall of Cadia (where Abaddon is 100% sure to succeed in whatever his plan is) and the 13th Black Crusade - This Time it's Personal! We have a Witch Hunter, a pregnant techno dadmom and Celestine leading the Black Templars (all of them or just a small force?) in defense of Cadia. There is also a Incubi with them for some reason, something neither the BT or SoB would agree to under any known circumstance in the fluff at this point (to my knowledge and I collect both BT and SoB). So just what the hell is going on? It is quite interesting times we live in indeed.
Predictions: Cadia will Fall... duh... Abaddon will femaledog slap both Gemini as they try to save Celestine, he will mess up Celestine who is then saved by a random Space Marine, her last words at the end of the book will be something akin to "Look to the North on the 13th day of the siege of Terra". She then dies and what follows is that picture we saw with the BT marching and some looking back at Celestines grave or something. The Dark Eldar has a webway gate so the forces can get off the planet before Abaddon does his exterminatus.
PLOT TWIST! They were betrayed by the DE who wanted them for the arenas of Commoragh. There they face a quite insane Primarch who has been fighting several times a day for like 9000 years. He kills several of them before the Inquisitor or Techno dad pacifies him and do some plot twist thing so he regains his sanity. They then start a gladiator rebellion and try to escape into the webway and we get a War in the Webway. They lose allot but the most important characters make it, Inquisitor probably dies. They then make it to Terra somehow just in time for the Siege of Terra to start. Everything is going bad, horrible in fact and Abaddon makes it to the throne room.
Magnus, Alpharius and Omegon are there and try to stop Abaddon from using his pokeball to trap the Emperors soul. Celestine is reborn in a flash of light just as Abaddon is about to do his soul trap wizardry, the 2 seconds it takes him to femaledog slap her into oblivion for the second time Cypher rushes past him and plunges his sword through the Emperor which releases him from the prison of the throne. Psychic backlash seals the webway gate and banishes all chaotic stuff. Magnus is able to shield himself but his armor is melted away as is Tzeentches corruption in him. This is why there is a armored and unarmored version of him. We then get Text to Speech and the Emperor reborn, he's unhappy with the imperium so a new great crusade is set in motion. Age of Emprah begins...
Every race in the universe do their thing but the greatest threat comes from the most unlikely of places. With the chaos fleets defeated for now the Imperium finally has the forces to spare to go deal with the pesky Tau. They send a few chapters of SM and a few hundred billion IG to eradicate them. The Tau are pushed back more and more until the situation is pretty much helpless. They simply don't have the solders to pilot their warmachines so they get the great idea to make them autonomous with their advanced AI (In the fluff the IA is programmed to avoid needless destruction if possible, aka self preservation... anyone with Sci-Fi knowledge of AI knows this is a bad idea). Since a more advanced AI with faster/higher computing power is needed for the battle suits they make the process completely automated to create them. First few tests show promise but the AI suits can't react well to changes in combat situations so they add a few changes to the programming, mainly in the form of the ability to learn so they can predict enemy movement and adapt to it.
Tau as we know them are wiped out, a new threat emerges in the form of Abominable Intelligence created by the Tau so Imperial countermeasures are pretty useless. The remaining etherials are onboard expansion fleets and they learn of the destruction of their elders so flee to some out region to rebuild. Tau Enclaves continue doing what they've always done.
Oh yeah, the bugs from Murder show up to mess with the Imperium, with the destruction of the Interex no measures remained to make sure the bugs were contained. So the bugs rebuilt their interstellar capabilities and for the past 10 000 years have been conquering that sector of space and expanding exponentially.
So we get 2 new armies, true bugs and true AI (Necrons are not AI. If you transferred your consciousnesses into a robot body you wouldn't suddenly become an AI). Tyrands aren't bugs, they behave allot like viruses and they have almost none of the aesthetics of bugs. There isn't a single Tyranid creature I would call a bug from appearance, I'd say they look more like beasts than bugs. Tyranids want to devour and move on, bugs would want to expand, especially if the bugs from Murder functioned similarly to harvester ants. They'd go out, bring back as much useful stuff as they can, they would be 100% self sustainable by growing their own food etc but as the colony grows they need to expand their territory to be able to grow enough food. So giant migrations would take place, call them nuptial flights as a reference to ants.
So we would have 2 completely alien forces that can't be bargained with, one is set to devour everything, the other on the complete opposite course in expanding everywhere. Needless to say Nids and Bugs don't get along because a dead planet is of no use to the bugs so they will defend their colony to the last bug.
Other than humans, is there any animal on earth that could be compared to the Tyranids? Only life form I can think of would be viruses. They consumed everything and replicate exponentially until there is nothing left to consume or the host is dead.
Anyway, there you go, the next 5 years of warhammer 40K.
I still have 2 Canoness Verydians for sale for those who are desperate, saw someone comment on them not being able to get one. I'm sure GW will restock them in good time though.
Fayric wrote: I wonder if this campaign will present formations with mixed forces. DEldar, Black Templars, Celestine, Mechanicum.
Dont know if the imperial agents had something like that.
WoM didnt even combine daemons and TS, but AoS dont mind making fluffy formations with stormcasts and sylvaneth, or mixing in the option of "other" factions.
The thing about the mixed AoS formations, is that they tie into the whole "three ways to play". Thows formations are only for camapign and narrative play, and do not have point listings for matched play.
Effectively 40k only has "match play", with no narrative or Campaign play. The AoS formations that do have point costs that can be used in match play, looks alot more like the 40k ones. The way AoS and 40k are organised are realy different beasts at this point.
Davor wrote: Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY? What other special character comes with other models?
Nork Deddog is a good example of a named character who comes with two other models in the box that aren't usable without further purchases. My guess is that the Geminae Twins will form a unit with Celestine, or be usable on their own. The kit might even make a generic 3 model squad with an alternate head/weapon arms/jump pack for Celestine, turning her into a basic sister.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think the worst example of a named model coming with extra stuff is the Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing in his special, named Land Speeder. You have to buy a Land Speeder and then you have to buy one of the DA kits that comes with a Ravenwing upgrade sprue. the bits you need to turn the Land Speeder into Sammael's Land Speeder are on that upgrade sprue.
Fun Fact... that sprue also has plastic Belial upgrade parts. Belial might be the only named character who has two different models right now. I might be wrong on that.
Davor wrote: Now back on topic. Do you think Celestine will be by herself or it will be a kit of 3? If so how much? $70 Canadian?
From all we know it's a 3 model kit, Celestine and the Gemini twins (that Tankred was having a dream about). The more interesting question in my mind though is WHY?
What other special character comes with other models? All others you have to buy separately as far as I know.
Aun'va is a special character who comes with his retinue. Creed used to do so, but hasn't since they made Kell and Creed separate.
Guard Command Squads(Cadian, Tempestus, and Catachan flavors) are characters+their retinue.
The most recent Power Armored plastic Captain(Mister Whiskers as I like to refer to him) and the Terminator Captain both are available in a box with a Command Squad.
I'm sure there are more.
What is the reason behind 3 models? I take it this means she wont be in a blister but a standard infantry box. The question remains, why is she 3 models instead of 1? Does this mean she can't join other models?
So can I no longer put her in a unit of Seraphim? (Fluff wise the place to put her would be a unit of Repentia but I digress...)
Because she's likely being turned into a Special Character with two Characters as a "unit" rather than just a simple Special Character?
JohnnyHell wrote: Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?
That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.
The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".
You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.
JohnnyHell wrote: Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?
That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.
The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".
You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.
Seeing as to this day we STILL don't know what pieces of fluff belonged to him and what belongs to Cruddace or any of the other individuals who make up "Games Workshop Design Studio", I think you and every other person who whinged about Ward need to drop the grudge and move on.
JohnnyHell wrote: Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?
That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.
The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".
You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.
Seeing as to this day we STILL don't know what pieces of fluff belonged to him and what belongs to Cruddace or any of the other individuals who make up "Games Workshop Design Studio", I think you and every other person who whinged about Ward need to drop the grudge and move on.
Did he have anything to do with all that Age of Sigmar fluff or was he gone by then?
BrookM wrote: IIRC Ward wrote one or two of the books, including the Elf instalment.
He wrote Khaine and Archaon (the last one) for def Also wrote Nagash, you can tell by the overuse of the word "alas"
Warhammer End Times...Alas
In fairness, I thought Nagash was a very good read at the time although this could be mitigated by the fact I wasn't convinced the ultimate direction things were heading in; I did think Khaine was quite poor alright.
Delighted to see new releases for Sisters but the 'Fall of Cadia' stuff has me worried with where the fluff is going.
JohnnyHell wrote: Is he though? I thought it had been established he was just contracting for some BL prose, not on staff again?
That he is back in the building is concern enough for me.
The guy comes back for a BL gig(likely involving novels associated with this) and it's back to "Waaah, Waah, waah! Ward's back! Waaaah!".
You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah? Saying "Oh he's only going to be writing fluff, possibly for the first major storyline advancement 40K has undergone in a decade" is not exactly comforting. I barely trust GW not to feth this up as it is, the idea of Ward being significantly involved hardly changes that.
Other than humans, is there any animal on earth that could be compared to the Tyranids? Only life form I can think of would be viruses. They consumed everything and replicate exponentially until there is nothing left to consume or the host is dead.
Yodhrin wrote:
You get that he was disliked as much for his awful fluff as his awful rules, yeah?
Kanluwen wrote:
Seeing as to this day we STILL don't know what pieces of fluff belonged to him and what belongs to Cruddace or any of the other individuals who make up "Games Workshop Design Studio", I think you and every other person who whinged about Ward need to drop the grudge and move on.
Have I dropped into a parallel universe? (Again?) I always thought that while his rules were consistently power-creepy, they had a consistency to them, it was the consistently poor handling of the lore in books he handled that drove people bonkers?
The Grey Knight's wacky blood hijinks, the dreaded 'Newcrons' that had monolith investors up in arms, the reasonably started weapon that shoots pure time, turning all space marines everywhere into moping ultramarine wannabes, re-writing the mentors' lore to be 'nothing that was written before is true, but I'm not offering anything to replace it'- all of this and more has been attributed to Ward by way of his involvement with these books, that's what had people banging their heads against their desks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
an article by Jes Godwin where he stats that the whole BUG thing IS in fact a misconception about Nids.
The concept of Nids comes from Alien Dinosaurs.
Also, if we're going to take wild stabs in the dark about things, the crimson Dark Eldar shown in the art with the Black Templars, he's looking awfully big, I'm saying he's the Khan.
an article by Jes Godwin where he stats that the whole BUG thing IS in fact a misconception about Nids.
The concept of Nids comes from Alien Dinosaurs.
Also, if we're going to take wild stabs in the dark about things, the crimson Dark Eldar shown in the art with the Black Templars, he's looking awfully big, I'm saying he's the Khan.
an article by Jes Godwin where he stats that the whole BUG thing IS in fact a misconception about Nids.
The concept of Nids comes from Alien Dinosaurs.
Also, if we're going to take wild stabs in the dark about things, the crimson Dark Eldar shown in the art with the Black Templars, he's looking awfully big, I'm saying he's the Khan.
You're right! He looks about twice as tall as the nearest Templar and I'm pretty sure DE aren't twice the size of a Space Marine. Would explain why the Templar's aren't purging him. Also: wearing fur, spiky eastern style helmet and what looks like a leopard print pattern on the shoulder guard, could be.
Galef wrote: Nids may behave like Locusts, but they VERY much look like six-limbed armour-plated Dinos
They're a mix of the bugs from Starship Troopers and the xenomorphs from Alien. They have nothing at all to do with dinosaurs.
GW's design studio in the past asserted the original idea was space dinosaurs... maybe that was subterfuge to avoid those fictional comparisons.
This goes back to Rogue trader but in interviews from when the fourth edition Nid codex was done...
Jes Goodwyn wrote:
To make them more ‘Tyraniddy’ rather than ‘Alienesque’. It had always been the intention to make them an expression of the Gribbly/B-movie alien Archetype, which the Alien, the Predator, the Thing, the Metaluna mutant are all expressions of rather than being archetypes themselves. I also wanted to play up the Reptilian/Dinosaur/Crustacean elements to get rid of the ‘insect’ tag, Tyranids should look like an amalgamation of lots of different species, you shouldn’t be able to pigeonhole them easily [The original brief for them at the time of Rogue Trader was for 6-limbed, bio-engineered dinosaurs in space]
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
Fantasy was making a profit. It just wasn't making one GW was satisfied with.
Fantasy was axed because they wanted Space Marine players to buy Fantasy models.
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
Fantasy was making a profit. It just wasn't making one GW was satisfied with.
Fantasy was axed because they wanted Space Marine players to buy Fantasy models.
I'd actualy hazard to say that Fantasy was a loss pre-end times. Even at it's height it was outsold in it's entirety by marines. Before endtimes it was actually being outsold by the tactical marine boxset. End Times boosted it but it needed AoS or something similar. It was a weighted down and almost dead product line at that point.
an article by Jes Godwin where he stats that the whole BUG thing IS in fact a misconception about Nids.
The concept of Nids comes from Alien Dinosaurs.
Also, if we're going to take wild stabs in the dark about things, the crimson Dark Eldar shown in the art with the Black Templars, he'slooking awfully big, I'm saying he's the Khan.
He is standing still. That's how you can tell it is not him.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
Fantasy was making a profit. It just wasn't making one GW was satisfied with.
Fantasy was axed because they wanted Space Marine players to buy Fantasy models.
It also seems like nobody thought of just improving it instead.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Interesting. This jives with what I've heard whispers of too.
Guess we'll see what we'll see in short order. Merry Christmas indeed.
The fact Celestine dies and keeps coming back makes for a possible fun way to include her. Perhaps she dies in book one of the Fall of Cadia, but makes a triumphant return to turn the tide in book two. It would be pretty awesome. As for plastic Sisters of Battle, resin doesn't stop new kits from coming out. The Space Marine Veterans kits are still available despite plastic Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans being available. Other people have mentioned Cadians having plastic and resin kits. I am not counting out SoB plastic troops.
I am hoping for a plastic Emperor's Champion and a revamped Black Templars upgrade kit that works with the new kits. Hopefully it is more extensive than a simple small sprue like other Chapters have received.
To be fair to Blizzard, who do rip off tons of stuff:
Tyranids prior to Starcraft
Starcraft Hydralisk
Tyranids after Starcraft
Isn't that just poetic justice? Blizzard borrows heavily from GW's IP to make Warcraft, then GW returns the favor to make Tyranids actually look scary.
But Oxayotl is the real winner here, since we are discussing his troll bait.
Galef wrote: Nids may behave like Locusts, but they VERY much look like six-limbed armour-plated Dinos
They're a mix of the bugs from Starship Troopers and the xenomorphs from Alien. They have nothing at all to do with dinosaurs.
Their original design was dinosaur influenced. Hence the 2nd ed Tyranids having tails, the reptillian scales, those teeth and their general stance. Do I have to fish out the WD where they were released? Iirc it had an article about their design and Jes stating there was a strong dinosaur influence in the Tyranid range.
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
Fantasy was making a profit. It just wasn't making one GW was satisfied with.
Fantasy was axed because they wanted Space Marine players to buy Fantasy models.
It also seems like nobody thought of just improving it instead.
Or even advertising to get a larger player base since apparently every player already had an army, according to some. There were a thousand ways to handle it, and none of the good ways were even tried.
BACK to the discussion, how many of the 40K models shown in the leaks weren't on monstrous creature sized bases?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Didn't save Belegar. I don't think the Glotkin appeared in AoS lore either.
I reckon Celestine is doomed. She's written as organising the initial defence of Cadia, right? Which means she has to die horribly at the end of the first book so the Space Marines can take over command and use her demise as resolve to smash le heretics 4 de Emprah. Creed is probably going to get killed off-screen too.
Glottkin was the major antagonist during the Sylvaneth plotline. Alarielle personally kicked their ass and then kicked them out of the realm of life.
Oh Celestine will die in some dramatic, over the top fashion. But then she'll come right back again, as that is pretty much her whole point. Continual resurrection.
The Glottkin aren't Technically dead, as they had transformed into flies... However Nurgle was very displeased and shoved them in some jars because they failed him so utterly.
So they are technically alive, they are just stuck somewhere in Nurgle's home.
H.B.M.C. wrote: 455 for a T6 model that's not an MC? I guess he has Eternal Warrior (at 10K years old, he'd have to have it, right?).
It Will Not Die, Eternal Warrior, and Feel No Pain 2+, then we will start talking. Honestly though, Magnus is 650 and he has better stats, harnesses on 2+, never perils, and knows 13 powers. So Cawl better be a frickin' monster.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Source? Or is this from you?
pretre mate - this looks more like pure made up rumour from him.
It wouldn't make sense for Celestine's 'unit' to be a dual kit - for one, they only showed the 3 and they looked far too fancy to be a basic unit. I honestly think it's going to be Celestine and some bodyguards in a single force org slot.
Pretty sure if it was a dual kit it would be at least 5 models as the Seraphim minimum squad size is 5.
WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.
Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.
Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).
I'm talking about ALL games. Competing with warmachine, x-wing etc that were out there when GW decided to can it.
FB was selling just fine. Just not same as 40k so GW decided to can it. After that sales fell but gee no surprise when you don't release much and quality of what you release is not what it was before you dropped support. Same effect was seen past year with 40k. New releases dropped, 40k sales dropped. Sales mostly come from new releases so if you release little you get little sales. GW decided to can FB and so had very little releases compared to what it used to be. No wonder sales dropped quickly!
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: They won't do that though. Valten and Archaon were the stars of a world wide campaign. Celestine is a co-star of a supplement. It's not quite on the same scale. It would be nice to see, but it won't happen. Besides, that's quite a nice part of Celestine's story. That she was an ordinary woman (a repentia in fact if my memory serves), not some golden poster boy.
Well Valten was a blacksmith. Don't get much more ordinary from that.
tneva82 wrote: I'm talking about ALL games. Competing with warmachine, x-wing etc that were out there when GW decided to can it.
FB was selling just fine. Just not same as 40k so GW decided to can it. After that sales fell but gee no surprise when you don't release much and quality of what you release is not what it was before you dropped support. Same effect was seen past year with 40k. New releases dropped, 40k sales dropped. Sales mostly come from new releases so if you release little you get little sales. GW decided to can FB and so had very little releases compared to what it used to be. No wonder sales dropped quickly!
Is that for real? Do you mind if I ask what list/rating/whatever you are getting this from? I would love to check it out.
I think I have only seen the ICv2 lists (for non-Collectable miniature games) and even as far back as 2014 WFB was out of the Top 5 so couldn't say how low.
Also, I can't, off the top of my head, say when End Times came out.
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
That's if you assume "not profitable" means not selling as much as 40k.
It was profitable. When GW decided to kill it it was still top-3 selling game of all games. Sales only started to drop _after_ they dropped resources and with it new releases.
It was profitable. Just not enough for GW who thinks every line can sell what 40k sells. They are happy to can games that sells 400% of their own expectations because it does not still sell enough. That's the kind of company GW was 2012.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Source? Or is this from you?
pretre mate - this looks more like pure made up rumour from him.
It wouldn't make sense for Celestine's 'unit' to be a dual kit - for one, they only showed the 3 and they looked far too fancy to be a basic unit. I honestly think it's going to be Celestine and some bodyguards in a single force org slot.
Pretty sure if it was a dual kit it would be at least 5 models as the Seraphim minimum squad size is 5.
Agreed. He likely heard that on BOLS or Faeit. There's no way any of that is true.
Isn't that just poetic justice? Blizzard borrows heavily from GW's IP to make Warcraft, then GW returns the favor to make Tyranids actually look scary.
But Oxayotl is the real winner here, since we are discussing his troll bait.
Blizzard and GW copy each other since the beginning. Generally speaking, everyone wins, because the concepts are great (excluding estethic in some AoS model that could be considered wow-ish).
Also, Tyranids are a mix of many creatures and specific monsters copy from several Sci-fi and real life animals. Is Their appeal.
Their mouth is generally more similar to vertebrate like dinos, but they have (apparently) both internal skeletons and carapace.
On topic: the sisters leaked look promising. I like too that they used a different body type compared to the SoS.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Source? Or is this from you?
Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
Better time frame than most of these things at the very least.
That said, they seemed to consider her being part of the kit to be cool because it means you can customize a hero, which is pretty rare. And I'm going to guess either it's going to be a very painful 3 model kit to buy, or they just showed us three because it looks good in a picture.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Source? Or is this from you?
Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source.
Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
Understandable, I just want to tap dance on the doomsayers if this is right having caught it while the whining and gnashing of teeth was at full steam found it worth no to sign up and stop lurking to put out there. And hell if I'm wrong I'm going to be disappointed as sin.
That said I heard nothing about a codex. But it was nothing either way so I can't say much there.
Understandable, I just want to tap dance on the doomsayers if this is right having caught it while the whining and gnashing of teeth was at full steam found it worth no to sign up and stop lurking to put out there. And hell if I'm wrong I'm going to be disappointed as sin.
That said I heard nothing about a codex. But it was nothing either way so I can't say much there.
At least if you're right about the basic troops box coming out, it may come with enough options to be more than half of the sisters units. Since..almost all of their army is basically just a different helmet or weapon on a battle sister.
Galef wrote: Nids may behave like Locusts, but they VERY much look like six-limbed armour-plated Dinos
They're a mix of the bugs from Starship Troopers and the xenomorphs from Alien. They have nothing at all to do with dinosaurs.
Their original design was dinosaur influenced. Hence the 2nd ed Tyranids having tails, the reptillian scales, those teeth and their general stance. Do I have to fish out the WD where they were released? Iirc it had an article about their design and Jes stating there was a strong dinosaur influence in the Tyranid range.
I remember reading that article. I did a double-take, and then looked at my tyranids fron Tyranid Attack (that preceded the 2nd ed. Tyranids by a year or too), thinking "yeah, Dinosaurs with STINGERS and a beelike behind, and six limbs, like insects?". It was incomprehensible back then, and, I think, just a way to make their IP seem unique.
So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTFGW?
Grimmor wrote: So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTFGW?
They produce in the UK, so yeah, a new batch would be available there first, while stock is shipped to the US and other countries. Shocking, I know.
Grimmor wrote: So has anyone else noticed that Canonness Verydian is available in England right now but not in the US? Cuz i was about to buy her and then i realized i was somehow on the British page, so i flipped to the American one, and now shes not available. WTFGW?
She's DEFINITELY available in Britain. I've had about 400 emails from GW telling me so, they only stopped at about 2.30am
Elbows wrote: I'm still shocked by the constant fretting over the "End Times" or 40K. Is everyone just willfully ignoring the fact that Fantasy was a failing product line (read: not profitable) and that is why it got axed --- no other reason. It was not making money/ not selling enough.
Hence it was axed and replaced.
While 40K may get an overwhelming new rule set, 40K is the money-maker product for GW. They're not likely to gak can the whole fluff for fun. You may end up with AoS-style rules but you won't be having the fluff erased. Relax.
That's if you assume "not profitable" means not selling as much as 40k.
It was profitable. When GW decided to kill it it was still top-3 selling game of all games. Sales only started to drop _after_ they dropped resources and with it new releases.
It was profitable. Just not enough for GW who thinks every line can sell what 40k sells. They are happy to can games that sells 400% of their own expectations because it does not still sell enough. That's the kind of company GW was 2012.
Well, someone saw potential in a compleat redux, and was probably proven to be right, considering how things are currently going.
Also, lets not forget AoS gave GW an opportunity to move away from any generic fantasy product with iffy trademark potential.
Lets face it, Fantasy was full of generic fantasy/historical themes they could not protect with commercial law.
Thats why we wont see any brettonians (and didnt for a long time), and why the age of sigmar is instead populated with "Orruks" and "Duardin".
Then again, sylvaneth is pretty generic, so perhaps Im on the wrong track here.
Fayric wrote: Also, lets not forget AoS gave GW an opportunity to move away from any generic fantasy product with iffy trademark potential.
Lets face it, Fantasy was full of generic fantasy/historical themes they could not protect with commercial law.
Thats why we wont see any brettonians (and didnt for a long time), and why the age of sigmar is instead populated with "Orruks" and "Duardin".
Then again, sylvaneth is pretty generic, so perhaps Im on the wrong track here.
And all that doesn't help preventing 3rd parties from making compatible products. They never learn.
Actually only thing it does is ensure anybody interested in orcs doesn't easily find their products. However all interested in orruks can find not only GW's models but also 3rd party equilavents. So GW limited their customer base.
Anpu-adom wrote: There are so many asides in this thread
I can't keep it all in my head.
Between Zerg and Fantasy
It's not hard to see
That Rule #1 Must be Dead
In order to enact Rule #1 we need to lure a SoB player out into the open.
Let me handle this.
Sisters of Battle are fine. They do not need a model update or rules updates. Their range has had a constant aesthetic for the past 13 years in terms of appearance and rules, something many other armies would kill for.
P.S. That's paraphrased from a Sisters player in another thread too.
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
I don't see Casval making wild predictions. If someobody is going to come on and make predcitons with no track record then we are all going to be highly sceptical and rightly so, there are too many fools like BoLS and Faet spreading rubbish in this hobby as it is.
But if you want to believe everybody that comes along and says things thats fine, I've got a long weight I can sell you.
Captain Joystick wrote: As for Celestine... Maybe she forms a unit with those two sisters as attachments that follow her, like Tau drones?
Having some fresh scuttle butt, she's an optional construction variant in the seraphim box. And would be coming along with two other kits, one being a basic troops/elite?(Not sure what the second option was) multi-box and the other I've got no clue, but it's supposed to be another sisters box. All out by end of January.
Source? Or is this from you?
Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
Better time frame than most of these things at the very least.
That said, they seemed to consider her being part of the kit to be cool because it means you can customize a hero, which is pretty rare. And I'm going to guess either it's going to be a very painful 3 model kit to buy, or they just showed us three because it looks good in a picture.
I won't complain about anything, but you have been added to the Rumor Tracker.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
Many posts and a long membership history on the site.
It's doesn't make his information better, it significantly reduces the chances he's created an account specifically to post made up gak in order to mess with people. People are small minded and juvenile enough to do this, and this is why one should always view new accounts with low post numbers skeptically when it comes to posting rumours.
Anpu-adom wrote: There are so many asides in this thread
I can't keep it all in my head.
Between Zerg and Fantasy
It's not hard to see
That Rule #1 Must be Dead
In order to enact Rule #1 we need to lure a SoB player out into the open.
Let me handle this.
Sisters of Battle are fine. They do not need a model update or rules updates. Their range has had a constant aesthetic for the past 13 years in terms of appearance and rules, something many other armies would kill for.
P.S. That's paraphrased from a Sisters player in another thread too.
Am I bad that I like the "oldness" of my army? All I really want/need is some damn formations and new/cheaper special/heavy weapons chicks.
Anpu-adom wrote: There are so many asides in this thread
I can't keep it all in my head.
Between Zerg and Fantasy
It's not hard to see
That Rule #1 Must be Dead
In order to enact Rule #1 we need to lure a SoB player out into the open.
Let me handle this.
Sisters of Battle are fine. They do not need a model update or rules updates. Their range has had a constant aesthetic for the past 13 years in terms of appearance and rules, something many other armies would kill for.
P.S. That's paraphrased from a Sisters player in another thread too.
Am I bad that I like the "oldness" of my army? All I really want/need is some damn formations and new/cheaper special/heavy weapons chicks.
Not at all, I totally understand that...I kinda like both though...the new plastics are technically better, but then a lot of those old metals just have so much more character to them (mostly referring to orks and assorted chaos/space marines here, as that's what I have...though I have always liked those old SoB models too )
I find it odd people are making wild random predictions for January when the January white dwarf is already leaked and there are NO sisters of battle plastic troops in it. I guess it's possible the last weekend preorder in January might have something but ya wild new model speculations are probably not coming in January. The way white dwarf works we have the last week of December preorder, AoS tzetch, cadia gate book and 4 known character models, and dark eldar box game. The last preorder on January goes in the feberuary white dwarf.
Regarding character of old metal models. I been playing this game to long and I do not like metal anymore. Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks. The models were to stiff and hard to model or swap heads, arms, weapons, etc. even magnets are hard to work because the appendages are so heavy. Finally while some sculptors were great most of the old metal models were to goofy looking and completely out of scale for a heroic model game.
terry wrote: did I miss a character, because as far as I know you have celestine, a inquisitior and a mechanicus char
Abaddon? The white dwarf cover leak showed his top not on the cover. Considering every white dwarf has featured models not illusttations I'm pretty confident he's coming soon.
gungo wrote: I find it odd people are making wild random predictions for January when the January white dwarf is already leaked and there are NO sisters of battle plastic troops in it. I guess it's possible the last weekend preorder in January might have something but ya wild new model speculations are probably not coming in January. The way white dwarf works we have the last week of December preorder, AoS tzetch, cadia gate book and 4 known character models, and dark eldar box game. The last preorder on January goes in the feberuary white dwarf.
We don't see Abbadon and he's supposedly in Jan. While I don't think there is much more.
We don't know if there's more builds on the Celestine kit.
gungo wrote: Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks.
Metal was *way* easier to transport because things fit into simple foam. Much easier to carry one case that weighs a few pounds than it is to carry the oversized cases necessary to include all the crazy poses they do for plastics these days.
I'm only here for the Admech model, but it's just a little too busy for me! I think I prefer the slightly more classic, understated look... with maybe a few claws/manipulators but not a dozen
RiTides wrote: I'm only here for the Admech model, but it's just a little too busy for me! I think I prefer the slightly more classic, understated look... with maybe a few claws/manipulators but not a dozen
My thoughts exactly. I like Ad Mech, but I don't need the whole "Yo dawg, I heard you like clamps with your cogs..." treatment.
RiTides wrote: I'm only here for the Admech model, but it's just a little too busy for me! I think I prefer the slightly more classic, understated look... with maybe a few claws/manipulators but not a dozen
My thoughts exactly. I like Ad Mech, but I don't need the whole "Yo dawg, I heard you like clamps with your cogs..." treatment.
I love it. It's exactly how I imagine an ancient Magos would look. I imagine that he started out with 2 arms and ran into a situation where his hands were full, but he wanted to pick up his mug of tea. Boom. Install a third arm. A week later, his three arms were full and he wanted tea. Boom. Install a 4th arm. This dude is OLD. He likes tea. That's why he has a hundred arms.
terry wrote: did I miss a character, because as far as I know you have celestine, a inquisitior and a mechanicus char
Abaddon? The white dwarf cover leak showed his top not on the cover. Considering every white dwarf has featured models not illusttations I'm pretty confident he's coming soon.
The first of the monthly ones and the latest one were both art, not models.
RiTides wrote: I'm only here for the Admech model, but it's just a little too busy for me! I think I prefer the slightly more classic, understated look... with maybe a few claws/manipulators but not a dozen
My thoughts exactly. I like Ad Mech, but I don't need the whole "Yo dawg, I heard you like clamps with your cogs..." treatment.
I love it. It's exactly how I imagine an ancient Magos would look. I imagine that he started out with 2 arms and ran into a situation where his hands were full, but he wanted to pick up his mug of tea. Boom. Install a third arm. A week later, his three arms were full and he wanted tea. Boom. Install a 4th arm. This dude is OLD. He likes tea. That's why he has a hundred arms.
You can tell the age of a Magos by the number of arms? lol.
gungo wrote: Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks.
Metal was *way* easier to transport because things fit into simple foam. Much easier to carry one case that weighs a few pounds than it is to carry the oversized cases necessary to include all the crazy poses they do for plastics these days.
Metal models were created by Satan in order to watch us suffer.
gungo wrote: Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks.
Metal was *way* easier to transport because things fit into simple foam. Much easier to carry one case that weighs a few pounds than it is to carry the oversized cases necessary to include all the crazy poses they do for plastics these days.
I think that was probably the reason GW started making their cases with the zigzag foam.
Not much use for people like me with 2nd Ed metal IG armies but designed for all the upcoming dynamic models.
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
gungo wrote: Carrying an army bag full of metal sucks.
Metal was *way* easier to transport because things fit into simple foam. Much easier to carry one case that weighs a few pounds than it is to carry the oversized cases necessary to include all the crazy poses they do for plastics these days.
I find the cases are bigger because the models are bigger, Not because of crazy poses. Also comparing army lists back in second and 3rd editionwe had much smaller armies however i played steel legion and Orks and no matter which army I still had to carry over 100 metal minatures that weight a fukton and was a pain To carry.
Yeah, that's just the art from the book. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new Abaddon model, but we'd probably have seen it in the magazine leaks if it was in this White Dwarf, so it's either coming late January or February, or with the next book/a later book.
RiTides wrote: I'm only here for the Admech model, but it's just a little too busy for me! I think I prefer the slightly more classic, understated look... with maybe a few claws/manipulators but not a dozen
My thoughts exactly. I like Ad Mech, but I don't need the whole "Yo dawg, I heard you like clamps with your cogs..." treatment.
I love it. It's exactly how I imagine an ancient Magos would look. I imagine that he started out with 2 arms and ran into a situation where his hands were full, but he wanted to pick up his mug of tea. Boom. Install a third arm. A week later, his three arms were full and he wanted tea. Boom. Install a 4th arm. This dude is OLD. He likes tea. That's why he has a hundred arms.
You can tell the age of a Magos by the number of arms? lol.
Not by the number of arms, just how badly he wants a cup of tea
terry wrote: did I miss a character, because as far as I know you have celestine, a inquisitior and a mechanicus char
The cover of the White Dwarf seems to be Abaddon in plastic form.
It's also worth mentioning that what's in White Dwarf hasn't necessarily been everything for a month's release.
Where can this picture be seen?
There. It came out of a Spanish site and it cuts it off, but the topknot is distinctive to Abbadabbadoobadon.
Looks like the Abaddon Art work from the cover of Fall of Cadia, not a plastic figure.
Yeah, that's my bad on the statement. I was remembering it as looking more like a model than art.
In any regards, we know there's more heroes coming. They made a mention of these three being "the first of three Heroes of the Cadian Gate" or something to that effect during the livestream.
I would kill to see "Major Lord Castellan Ursukar Creed"(still don't know what in the world that is supposed to even mean!) with a bodyguard of Kasrkin and Kell as one of them.
Regardless random people posting how thier store manager garaunteed them sisters are getting a full army line in January is mostly salt. Because unless it's going on preorder the last week of January we already know most of the major next three weeks of January releases. white dwarf is the last week in decembers preorder, AoS tzetch, fall of cadia with 3 characters, dark eldar box game. Then preorders for first Saturday of February which appear in February white dwarf. Chance of plastic sisters troops at this point is unlikely unless it's coming with part 2 of the fall of cadias supplement.
Thrown into that mix is random crap like black library books, army paint sets, etc.
Apologies for jumping like that here with no relation to some of the latest posts.
Plastic Sisters? I see only Saint and 2 additional models. This does not fit into my view of "plastic sisters".
It is a bit awkward to have this and the rest old metal models for the abysmal price of 50 pounds.
terry wrote: did I miss a character, because as far as I know you have celestine, a inquisitior and a mechanicus char
The cover of the White Dwarf seems to be Abaddon in plastic form.
It's also worth mentioning that what's in White Dwarf hasn't necessarily been everything for a month's release.
Where can this picture be seen?
There. It came out of a Spanish site and it cuts it off, but the topknot is distinctive to Abbadabbadoobadon.
Looks like the Abaddon Art work from the cover of Fall of Cadia, not a plastic figure.
Yeah, that's my bad on the statement. I was remembering it as looking more like a model than art.
In any regards, we know there's more heroes coming. They made a mention of these three being "the first of three Heroes of the Cadian Gate" or something to that effect during the livestream.
I would kill to see "Major Lord Castellan Ursukar Creed"(still don't know what in the world that is supposed to even mean!) with a bodyguard of Kasrkin and Kell as one of them.
To be fair that early shot we had of the cover did look like a model. A new Creed and retinue to go with Celestine and the Twins, and Abaddon would be awesome. And ya know if the Templars are there a new Helbrecht or Grimaldus would be cool too.
DalinCriid wrote: Plastic Sisters? I see only Saint and 2 additional models. This does not fit into my view of "plastic sisters". It is a bit awkward to have this and the rest old metal models for the abysmal price of 50 pounds.
The I would SoB so Hard if there were plastic SoB crowd do seem to be fully capable of jumping from what they see (saint and two gemini, our resin canoness, print rules in C:IA) to what they THINK GW should do. Apparently a full plastic launch of the old units and a new dex with some new shiny's in it.
If they keep telling themselves it will happen surely it has to, right?
Dex is on paper finally, you can now purchase all the units in the army at the GW site. The unit C:IA omitted is coming in plastic in the FoCadia book. Perhaps they will put some other SoB formations in it. GW already fixed Celestians by putting the command squad in the elite slot for me anyways. Only repentia and penengines to go. So far we are in the + column and I am fine with it.
Give me some Objective Cards and GW can go back to ignoring SoB for a few more editions, would be fine by me.
Pure speculation, but doesn't the existence of C:IA in print now mean that GW could drip feed plastic sisters without having to replace the entire range at once or having to release a new codex? A bit like when they replaced the finecast Dark Eldar Wracks with the plastic kit.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Pure speculation, but doesn't the existence of C:IA in print now mean that GW could drip feed plastic sisters without having to replace the entire range at once or having to release a new codex? A bit like when they replaced the finecast Dark Eldar Wracks with the plastic kit.
It would be even easier if they just made Dataslates available online like they do with AoS Warscrolls, then you could just release the rules next to the model and not have to worry about release windows.
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
I don't see Casval making wild predictions. If someobody is going to come on and make predcitons with no track record then we are all going to be highly sceptical and rightly so, there are too many fools like BoLS and Faet spreading rubbish in this hobby as it is.
But if you want to believe everybody that comes along and says things thats fine, I've got a long weight I can sell you.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
Many posts and a long membership history on the site.
It's doesn't make his information better, it significantly reduces the chances he's created an account specifically to post made up gak in order to mess with people. People are small minded and juvenile enough to do this, and this is why one should always view new accounts with low post numbers skeptically when it comes to posting rumours.
What ever happened to Rule Number One and be polite? It's one thing reading a rumour seeing low post count and move on, but to comment on it and say "I don't believe you" is just plain rude. Why do people feel they need to call someone out on it? We already have people look like arse because they called people out on low post count and they were in fact proven correct. Heaven forbid new people come to the forums and actually have rumours and be new at the same time.
Don't believe someone? Fine. No need to call them out on it and shame them.
Really not sure what the comic is going for.
They're soldiers in armor. The proportions look fantastic to me.
A quick dip into Instagram will show you lots of very fit women with serious curves (enhanced and otherwise).
Is the comic author mad they aren't waifs?
plastictrees wrote: Really not sure what the comic is going for.
They're soldiers in armor. The proportions look fantastic to me.
A quick dip into Instagram will show you lots of very fit women with serious curves (enhanced and otherwise).
Is the comic author mad they aren't waifs?
It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
I think the idea is basically that the armor makes the sisters look fat. At least compared to every other female model ever produced by GW. These sisters don't have hourglass figures like all other females by GW, they are more barrel shaped I guess?
plastictrees wrote:Really not sure what the comic is going for.
jreilly89 wrote:It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Likely stems from the 4chan topic. The nay-sayers are attempting to save face by arguing that the models they said would never come look fat. And have been carrying on about it with impeccable maturity and sophistication.
plastictrees wrote:Really not sure what the comic is going for.
jreilly89 wrote:It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Likely stems from the 4chan topic. The nay-sayers are attempting to save face by arguing that the models they said would never come look fat. And have been carrying on about it with impeccable maturity and sophistication.
The question remains, why the hell did someone bother to post that garbage here?
Anyone with the slightest knowledge or sense of human proportions knows that ALL miniatures -- GW or otherwise -- are intentionally grossly distorted. If they were properly proportioned, they'd look very spindly and lack the surface area to show detail.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
plastictrees wrote:Really not sure what the comic is going for.
jreilly89 wrote:It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Likely stems from the 4chan topic. The nay-sayers are attempting to save face by arguing that the models they said would never come look fat. And have been carrying on about it with impeccable maturity and sophistication.
The question remains, why the hell did someone bother to post that garbage here?
Because they are likely the same people "discussing" it over there and want to spread it to here.
I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
Sorry your tabletop miniatures aren't attractive enough for you to jerk off to. They're soldiers, not pinup models.
Seriously, you guys have to invent stuff to complain about. This forum is supposed to be about our hobby and not a space for you to broadcast how miserable your life is.
Again with sexist, fat-shaming nonsense on a mandollies thread. I utterly despair about some of those who make up our hobby. May they all dwell at some other FLGS to me. Forever and ever. Amen.
DalinCriid wrote: Plastic Sisters? I see only Saint and 2 additional models. This does not fit into my view of "plastic sisters". It is a bit awkward to have this and the rest old metal models for the abysmal price of 50 pounds.
The I would SoB so Hard if there were plastic SoB crowd do seem to be fully capable of jumping from what they see (saint and two gemini, our resin canoness, print rules in C:IA) to what they THINK GW should do. Apparently a full plastic launch of the old units and a new dex with some new shiny's in it.
If they keep telling themselves it will happen surely it has to, right?
Dex is on paper finally, you can now purchase all the units in the army at the GW site. The unit C:IA omitted is coming in plastic in the FoCadia book. Perhaps they will put some other SoB formations in it. GW already fixed Celestians by putting the command squad in the elite slot for me anyways. Only repentia and penengines to go. So far we are in the + column and I am fine with it.
Give me some Objective Cards and GW can go back to ignoring SoB for a few more editions, would be fine by me.
I think that we will be getting exactly that. We will likely see the sisters composite detachment and hopefully some smaller detachments too. We will probably see something for the Black Templars too, since there has been almost no reason to run their special troop squad. Beyond that, all of the sisters vehicles are available again (not updated, unless the 'resin' bits of the Immolator is not a typo of some sort). Every UNIT is available. I'd like to see the Repressor come back through Forgeworld... maybe in a more musical-styled version. Anyone notice the jetbacks on the gemni are the shape of rectangular bells or pipes? Continue with a music motif, and I'll be very happy, GW.
There is strength in the codex, that is for sure. They didn't drop the 5-man squads down to only 1 special or heavy weapon, like I feared. Sisters do make for surprisingly resilient objective secured troops, as well as that wonderful melta, Dom unit scouting up and wrecking havoc in the first few game turns.
jreilly89 wrote:
plastictrees wrote: Really not sure what the comic is going for.
They're soldiers in armor. The proportions look fantastic to me.
A quick dip into Instagram will show you lots of very fit women with serious curves (enhanced and otherwise).
Is the comic author mad they aren't waifs?
It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Yes. Fit doesn't have to be Ethiopian Marathon runner or pole vaulter skinny. My guess is that boxing would be a good inspiration for Sisters... Someone like Kaila Ali or Gina Carano would easily fit the bill. (Neither of which, I would ever like to take a punch from...)
Wow.... just wow.... I point out a new art direction of GW and the only thing you guys see is fatshaming or other sjw memes. Some of you almost made the logical jump before failing horribly. Did you even study the pictures at all before your were instantly TRIGGERED?
Here is a picture of what Celestines body could/would look like without armor
NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW
Spoiler:
Question: Does the new armor design make the sisters look fat compared to ALL PREVIOUS FEMALE MODELS PRODUCED BY GW?
Question: Is the new armor design more realistic compared to previous designs?
If your answer is no to either then feel free to explain your reasoning by giving clear comparisons to previous models made by GW.
And don't give me that gak about boob plate or corset armor makes no sense, it's made out of super space alloy where 1mm is equal to 100meter thick steel ffs.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
MadCowCrazy wrote: And don't give me that gak about boob plate or corset armor makes no sense, it's made out of super space alloy where 1mm is equal to 100meter thick steel ffs.
You said don't say but still. Super space alloy or not it's still bad idea as long as they don't sport 1++ on game(with no 1 always fail rule). As long as it can be penetrated(which it obviously can since SOB aren't immune to all shooting) bad design is still a bad design.
But how does the corset armor look from the side, I think that's an indicator of whether or not they are actually barrel chested. I thought I saw images but I remember them looking more slim from the side. The armor is certainly more bulky, but the old metal models were more stylized and cartoonish.
Compared to this, they do look thicker. I however do not understand those little pieces of armor sticking out around the waist though. It does look weird. Because those tiny little things wouldn't offer much protection to begin with.
In all honesty the models don't quite live up to the above artwork. They have a lot less detail. Notice the trim on the shoulder pad? without that armor trim you can't do two tone color schemes on the armor without it looking weird. Lacks purity seals, embellishments. If they do more SoB I hope they spend more time to give them more ornate gothic detail. Without the gothic details I can see why some might shout stormcast. Because stormcasts have the same kind of plain gold armor as the new celestine.
Celestine's face look well sculpted, the other two suffer from the chimp look however. I don't think GW has gotten much better at sculpting faces in CAD at all, this is more along the same stuff they have been doing. It could be the paint job, that's a definite possibility...i'll hold off on criticizing the faces too much until I see these models unpainted.
GW did the same weird paintjob thing with the sisters of silence, look at that picture above and notice how the cheeks and ears look separate from the face. It's weird...
This discussion sure seems not related to leaks or rumors. You may want to consider arguing over what piece of plastic arbitrarily looks more fat than another on another board or thread.
Celestine is the first GW model I'm seriously considering in a long long time. Depends on price and what I'd actually do with it as I don't have any army for it.
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
I don't see Casval making wild predictions. If someobody is going to come on and make predcitons with no track record then we are all going to be highly sceptical and rightly so, there are too many fools like BoLS and Faet spreading rubbish in this hobby as it is.
But if you want to believe everybody that comes along and says things thats fine, I've got a long weight I can sell you.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
Many posts and a long membership history on the site.
It's doesn't make his information better, it significantly reduces the chances he's created an account specifically to post made up gak in order to mess with people. People are small minded and juvenile enough to do this, and this is why one should always view new accounts with low post numbers skeptically when it comes to posting rumours.
What ever happened to Rule Number One and be polite? It's one thing reading a rumour seeing low post count and move on, but to comment on it and say "I don't believe you" is just plain rude. Why do people feel they need to call someone out on it? We already have people look like arse because they called people out on low post count and they were in fact proven correct. Heaven forbid new people come to the forums and actually have rumours and be new at the same time.
Don't believe someone? Fine. No need to call them out on it and shame them.
Show me where anyone as been rude? This is, ultimately, a discussion forum, and therefore anyone posting is inviting their contributions to be discussed. The likely validity of a rumour is probably #1 at the top of the list of things likely to be discussed when someone posts new info, and the credibility of the source is directly and massively pertinent to that.
It is not rude to disbelieve someone, just as it isn't rude to disagree with someone, unless it is done so in a rude way.
But allow me to turn this back on you, if you felt this was a violation of terms, why'd you feel the need to comment, rather than just report and move on? Rule 2 is stay on topic, and, thanks to you, this little tangent certainly isn't.
I took a good look and they seem spot on not too fat or skinny actually I think these are the first models to get their proportions just right. They don't look like beautiful girls either but nor are they hideous they are as generic looking as the space marines. Objective accomplished GW in my opinion. These models will make them more popular to collect for sure (perhaps not the most popular but a boost for sure).
Brienne of Tarth is the best example of a female warrior and what her armor would look like for actual combat. The sisters here are fantasized up a little and done to GW's proportions and over the top style to make painting more fun and interesting. With all that accounted for I think they strike the perfect balance.
As for 4chan that site is no more. What's left is the political website where everyone is trying to push agendas on each other. You could post a picture of a piece of lettuce and someone will have an angry rant on why its a fat skinny b---- and probably a liberal or x y z thing the person hates.
Hm... I think she looks quite well-proportioned? I mean, she's still kind of weird because it's a GW mini and all (for example, she's like a whole head too small for that head), but taking that into account she seems very well proportioned, with maybe the exception of the leg she has raised, where the drawer seems to have painted it somewhat out of the actual armor.
Let me show you an example (NSFW):
Spoiler:
That was a proportions chart drawn by Frank Cho, which happens to be a quite famous drawer, and one that kind of specializes in the feminine form, too...
Spoiler:
I do not think I'd call that chubby myself, or non-feminine, but hey, I'm just a guy on the internet.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is basically that the armor makes the sisters look fat. At least compared to every other female model ever produced by GW. These sisters don't have hourglass figures like all other females by GW, they are more barrel shaped I guess?
You can't accurately judge or understand the proportions until you know what the material the armor is made from and how thick it is. That tends to happen when trying to project realistic expectations onto a fantasy/scifi environment.
Part of the issue is we don't have that information so we use real world examples. It looks like a corset, we know how thick and big corsets are, even leather style or boned style. That doesn't necessarily mean those are of similar thickness or style. There can also be different versions, as some artwork it looks more cloth, while others it is more of a metal substance.
Then we add in heroic scale issues and exaggerations. I mean all Cadian's aren't short, squat and fat either... they are just drawn that way. ^_^
Frankly I think it's less that Sisters have gotten chunkier, but that the new models have bulked out the waist armour under the corset cloth to make them look more heavilly armoured.
I like either look to be honest, but the thicker armour at least kills the old "armour isn't thick enough to actually be power armour" chestnut that I used to see back when Sisters were a little more common.
Could not agree more. "sjw" slurs, juvenile discussions about "fat" models and 4chan meme garbage does not belong on any civilised forum, or anywhere in life for that matter.
And it completely blows my mind that detailed nude drawings and "discussions" about how fat a plastic model have never, EVER been a topic for discussion in regards to male figures... oh wait, no it doesn't. But misogyny doesn't exist, right
I will take GW's almost plausible for a divinely empowered angel like Celestine over Kingdom Death's or anime nonsense any day. Celestine could almost be a human female, if she was cycling test. Compared to anime? Or even compared to Marvel? LOL The Marvel chicks are on Tren.
JohnnyHell wrote: Again with sexist, fat-shaming nonsense on a mandollies thread. I utterly despair about some of those who make up our hobby. May they all dwell at some other FLGS to me. Forever and ever. Amen.
Quoted for truth. It's sad to see. If people think that's fat they have an unrealistic expectation of the female form and should probably spend less time on pornhub.
MOCKING people MOCKING other things is still MOCKING things. You don't get moral superiority for it.
BACK TO RUMORS.
NONE IF THIS NONSENSE IS NEWS OR RUMORS. You're all welcome to your opinions regardless how right or wrong you all think you are, but it isn't related to where you're trying to argue them.
Has anyone been able to make out any more of Cawls rules? Others are starting to report his points may be 295 opposed to 495, and he doesn't appear to have an expanded FNP line (4+,3+, etc) so it may be a base FNP.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
Has there been any leaks about Celestine's rules yet? I honestly can't be bothered trolling over all the nonsense that this thread has devolved into to try and find out.
I hope she and her angels are a mini detachment I can slot in to save my poor WarCon. I can't imagine GW will make such a big bucks plastic release like that and force you into buying a metal army to play it. I predict there will be a Sister's of Silence style mini detachment to slot her in.
I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
Let me add both of mine:
I mean really, we're calling Celestine fat?
Indeed, that appears to be the case. Apparently having hips makes a woman fat. And people wonder why this hobby has almost no women taking part in it.
The Inquisitor appears to share much of the physique of Celestine. Perhaps the GW sculptors actually took a look at how muscle tends to form on a female frame.
I am happy with the sculpts. I don't play Sisters, but I am definitely getting the Inquisitor and more than likely Celestine (especially if she will have a formation that lets me attach her to my Deathwatch or Crimson Fists). Those models looks fantastic.
From what i heard, 8th is coming out early in the 2nd Quarter of the year, no idea on rules though. Im just waiting patiently for my plastic Dominions as ive got 4k of Metal Sisters, and they are going nowhere.
Indeed, that appears to be the case. Apparently having hips makes a woman fat. And people wonder why this hobby has almost no women taking part in it.
The Inquisitor appears to share much of the physique of Celestine. Perhaps the GW sculptors actually took a look at how muscle tends to form on a female frame.
I am happy with the sculpts. I don't play Sisters, but I am definitely getting the Inquisitor and more than likely Celestine (especially if she will have a formation that lets me attach her to my Deathwatch or Crimson Fists). Those models looks fantastic.
Agreed. Celestine looks like what id figure a muscled warrior woman in full plate would look like, cuz thats what she is. I will be getting that Inqquisitrix too cuz i need another Inquisitor and she looks neat.
Cephalobeard wrote: MOCKING people MOCKING other things is still MOCKING things. You don't get moral superiority for it.
BACK TO RUMORS.
NONE IF THIS NONSENSE IS NEWS OR RUMORS. You're all welcome to your opinions regardless how right or wrong you all think you are, but it isn't related to where you're trying to argue them.
Has anyone been able to make out any more of Cawls rules? Others are starting to report his points may be 295 opposed to 495, and he doesn't appear to have an expanded FNP line (4+,3+, etc) so it may be a base FNP.
At the risk of going back on topic, I just came to say how excited I am about Celestine and Cawl. I'm in two minds about Greyfax, but that may be because I'd rather a new female Inquisitor model be a certain Ordo Xenos member from 5th ed GK, rather than Lady Van Helsing. But I'll probably get her and give her a head swap, maybe convert her weapons.
Celestine definitely will need a different head, IMO. Not a fan of her sculpted one.
Greyfax and Cawl are perfect beyond words. If anything, I wish Cawl was even bigger and busier but he'll be enough of a nightmare as he stands, so it will suffice.
Greyfax looks great. If it has alternative bits to put on there it would be a must buy. Imagine a kit with alternative bittlies to make all the various Xenos, Hereticus, and other inquisitors. Still probably going to buy her if her rules are good and she can work as a sloppy Culexusus.
why would you people do that???
why, for the love of God, would you want to get back on topic???
hahahahaha
i am a big fan of all three of these leaked kits...
Cawl will be painted in a darker scheme, since i just did the vibrant red on the Magos model...
Celestine and her girls look good in gold...
i look forward to recreating the studio scheme with some deeper shadows, and a little more color variation in thoes shadows...
Greyfax is a Steve Buddle sculpt, and i have been a big fan of supporting his work since he was producing his own stuff, through his Spyglass miniature range...
besides, i dig the Lady Von Hellsing vibe, and i like "combat heels"
H.B.M.C. wrote: I just think it's great we're getting the female version of the Witch Hunter style Inquisitor.
Now if only we could get that for the Ordo Malleus and fething anything for the Ordo Xenos, I'd be happy.
I am still using the new Inquisitor as an Ordo Xenos. The Condemnor Boltgun is a very small hurdle to get over. The model is too cool to let something like that get in the way. I only really have reason to use Ordo Xenos since I only have Deathwatch.
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I just think it's great we're getting the female version of the Witch Hunter style Inquisitor.
Now if only we could get that for the Ordo Malleus and fething anything for the Ordo Xenos, I'd be happy.
any style of Inquisitor is always welcome...
they have been some of the most characterful miniatures in the Imperial range for decades...
not only that, but Inq28 is the most interesting thing going on in the 40K community right now
an Ordo Malleus dude would be a good excuse for a badass Termie kit, too...
Ordo Xenos could have some interesting armor and weapons, as well...
i'll tell the boys to get right on that
I half expect it'll be an updated version of that Death Arena mini game from the Crusade of Fire Campaign book released... god must be almost 4 years ago now.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I half expect it'll be an updated version of that Death Arena mini game from the Crusade of Fire Campaign book released... god must be almost 4 years ago now.
Jetbikes have been mentioned on BGG. Don't know where they got their info but if it's jetbikes/bikes seems like a tiny Gorechosen/Death Arena set up wouldn't work.
After all these years, I didn't expect they'd ever look this good. Especially after that Blanchian horror, I was getting rather anxious about how they'd be, but goodness, they're wonderful! That deconstruction especially impresses me, because they're right - the models were actually designed with proper fit-bulk in mind. Now we just need to see their helmets.
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Sounds about right to me
Wk 1-Fall of cadia plus 3 character models
Wk 2-AoS tzetch book and mini's
Wk 3-Dark eldar box game and army paint sets
Wk 4 (to be February white dwarf) -random wishlisting for sisters of battle plastic
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Sounds about right to me
Wk 1-Fall of cadia plus 3 character models
Wk 2-AoS tzetch book and mini's
Wk 3-Dark eldar box game and army paint sets
Wk 4 (to be February white dwarf) -random wishlisting for sisters of battle plastic
Tzeentch is a multi-week release. I guess January is 1 week Cadia and 3 weeks Tzeentch.
The Eldar game could be further off, we had a preview of Gorechosen in the WD a month before release.
If anything considering it's power armour that would add bulk, and not a skin tight suit.... I take that as meaning St.Celestine must be a string bean.... XD
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Sounds about right to me
Wk 1-Fall of cadia plus 3 character models
Wk 2-AoS tzetch book and mini's
Wk 3-Dark eldar box game and army paint sets
Wk 4 (to be February white dwarf) -random wishlisting for sisters of battle plastic
Tzeentch is a multi-week release. I guess January is 1 week Cadia and 3 weeks Tzeentch.
The Eldar game could be further off, we had a preview of Gorechosen in the WD a month before release.
The time for the timetable is speculation on my part.
The source for the order is Atia.
The source for 8th is a 'friend of a friend'.
What I will say is that FLGS have already got emails about what items are available to pre order for January and February (and possibly March). I've personally managed to get a glance at Jan and feb from a few feet distance. I can't say what's on the lists other than a vague chaos stuff in January, but can say they are both pretty full on months, atleast a dozen items each.
The image dose not mention codex or codex suplement. So people take this as meaning it's some sort of box game. TBH I would hazard a guess it's a repack of existing models with a set of board game rules. Thing knight renagade or the flier games.
If anything considering it's power armour that would add bulk, and not a skin tight suit.... I take that as meaning St.Celestine must be a string bean.... XD
Or it could be that the Armour is Quite Thin (As Artificer type armour is made with Stronger Materials)
And that she is Built like a Brick Sthouse (Sorry Reds8n)
This is an Example of what her Body Type would Look Like...
ShaneTB wrote: I hope it introduces those lizardmen things that live as mercenaries in the lower city. There's a passing mention of them in the November WD.
That would be a great way of adding various xeno mercenary kits, damn that would be sweet, I will have to go over that WD again, must have missed that part.
ShaneTB wrote: I hope it introduces those lizardmen things that live as mercenaries in the lower city. There's a passing mention of them in the November WD.
That would be a great way of adding various xeno mercenary kits, damn that would be sweet, I will have to go over that WD again, must have missed that part.
Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
ShaneTB wrote: I hope it introduces those lizardmen things that live as mercenaries in the lower city. There's a passing mention of them in the November WD.
That would be a great way of adding various xeno mercenary kits, damn that would be sweet, I will have to go over that WD again, must have missed that part.
Do you mean the Sslyth?
Spoiler:
Yes. You're right. Totally forgot about that webstore model. I would like them to expand slightly with some plastic minis. If this is a boxed game it'd make a good opportunity.
Or any other denizens of the lower cities.
Drider wrote: I've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this but from what I hear the next couple of months of GW's release schedule looks something like this:
Fall of Cadia releases.
Tzeent AoS stuff.
bolter-sisters (hopefully a multi use plastic kit for bolters/special/heavy weapons)
steam dwarves AoS stuff.
So maybe march/april for plastic sisters, but it looks like we are to get our releases in drips and drabs
Although I hear that 8th is to be around that time too. I can't say anything for the actual rule set, aparantly it brings a new game type. There'll be the current Unbound and the current battle-forged, but also a new tournament style format that's easier to pick up and play (it sounds contradictory to me). Something that does away with formations and the general bloat of stacking special rules upon special rules but should make it easier to balance.
As i said before though, i've got no idea of the accuracy of any of this.
Source or is this from you?
Looks to be an educated guess based on leaks we've seen. I'd say the order is pretty accurate, but the timetable is likely off. I'm thinking Fall of Cadia will be one week and then we'll head into Tzeentch. I would expect plastic sister by late February if that list is at all accurate.
Sounds about right to me
Wk 1-Fall of cadia plus 3 character models
Wk 2-AoS tzetch book and mini's
Wk 3-Dark eldar box game and army paint sets
Wk 4 (to be February white dwarf) -random wishlisting for sisters of battle plastic
Tzeentch is a multi-week release. I guess January is 1 week Cadia and 3 weeks Tzeentch.
The Eldar game could be further off, we had a preview of Gorechosen in the WD a month before release.
The time for the timetable is speculation on my part.
The source for the order is Atia.
The source for 8th is a 'friend of a friend'.
What I will say is that FLGS have already got emails about what items are available to pre order for January and February (and possibly March). I've personally managed to get a glance at Jan and feb from a few feet distance. I can't say what's on the lists other than a vague chaos stuff in January, but can say they are both pretty full on months, atleast a dozen items each.
I can't find anywhere that Atia has specifically mentioned "Bolter Sisters" can you clarify please?
Toxic_Toast wrote:Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
Maybe it's the same reason why guys play females in Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind and how those characters wear skimpy armour in battle as well?
I'm looking forward to learning more about 8th. I wont touch 40k right now but I could jump back in if they go lighter, Age of the Emperor but make sure they release points from the start.
Well, you do realize that most medieval plate was only 1.5 to 3mm thick? Not cm, mm. So if it was made to completely fit the wearer's body over some sort of body glove mesh of bundles to carry this sci-fi hyper dense material then it would be pretty much skin tight. If you accept that 40k is fantasy in space then the plate armor would reflect how thick medieval plate is. The reasons its so thin is because of weight and being any bigger would restrict movement. Space Marines look so huge because that's all man; its not the armour.
I mean even the armour on an M1 Abrams tank is 4.7 inches or 120mm. People seem to conjure this mental image that 40k power armor is like walking tank armor, but even that is a lot smaller than people realize. This is because whats important is the material its made out of. Chobram armour is better than cast iron, but an M1 probably doesn't have thicker armor than a WW1 tank; despite being exponentially more resistant to damage. So it stands to reason that whatever they make 40k suits out of is better than medieval plate but the same proportions for avoiding impairing the wearers movements.
This really needs its own thread, like no one complains about why most of the male models are half naked and pumped full of steroids, mostly cas no one gives a
Spread da love, not heresy. We are getting the muda Celestine soon, get hyyyyyyyyyyyype.
unmercifulconker wrote: This really needs its own thread, like no one complains about why most of the male models are half naked and pumped full of steroids, mostly cas no one gives a
Spread da love, not heresy. We are getting the muda Celestine soon, get hyyyyyyyyyyyype.
There's been threads around, they eventually get locked down by a mod. I really wish they wouldn't, though - so we could keep regular threads free of this stuff and just point people that want to argue about whether or not a miniature is sexist / too fat / too skinny / too genderbinary / not inclusive enough. BTW I haven't heard anyone giving a shoutout to GW for their super-inclusive Iron Hands upgrade sprues, why's that? I'm pretty sure the world is a much better place since they released that kit - for more details see effect of miniatures on the real world.
unmercifulconker wrote: This really needs its own thread, like no one complains about why most of the male models are half naked and pumped full of steroids, mostly cas no one gives a
Spread da love, not heresy. We are getting the muda Celestine soon, get hyyyyyyyyyyyype.
I'm pretty sure it's constantly explained how a semi-naked pinup of a woman is not the same as a semi-naked male juicer. They're both male fantasies. One is the woman as an object of male desire, and the other is the object of male power fantasy.
unmercifulconker wrote: This really needs its own thread, like no one complains about why most of the male models are half naked and pumped full of steroids, mostly cas no one gives a
Spread da love, not heresy. We are getting the muda Celestine soon, get hyyyyyyyyyyyype.
I'm pretty sure it's constantly explained how a semi-naked pinup of a woman is not the same as a semi-naked male juicer. They're both male fantasies. One is the woman as an object of male desire, and the other is the object of male power fantasy.
Well.. I see where you are coming from but is not completely right. "Romance" books for women feature hunk guys. Nothing bad about that TBH. Men can be sexualised too.
The time for the timetable is speculation on my part.
The source for the order is Atia.
The source for 8th is a 'friend of a friend'.
What I will say is that FLGS have already got emails about what items are available to pre order for January and February (and possibly March). I've personally managed to get a glance at Jan and feb from a few feet distance. I can't say what's on the lists other than a vague chaos stuff in January, but can say they are both pretty full on months, atleast a dozen items each.
Stop arguing in this thread about pointless nonsense. None of your are objectively correct, it's the opinion regarding a piece of plastic. Those of you making fun of other people are no better than the others.
This thread is about rumors. Not mocking eachother over who thinks who is more right about man dolls or who thinks who is the better activist.
Bolter and Chainsword is reporting Cawl is looking to be WS4, BS5. His sheet is making headway with more information it seems.
Sigh... I keep coming here hoping to see more plastic SoB.
SoB they're fantasy women in a sci-fi fantasy setting... can you tell by looking at their minis? -yes, good, mission accomplished... If you have problems with fantastical women in a fantasy setting you have no sense of context.
Toxic_Toast wrote: Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
unmercifulconker wrote: This really needs its own thread, like no one complains about why most of the male models are half naked and pumped full of steroids, mostly cas no one gives a
Spread da love, not heresy. We are getting the muda Celestine soon, get hyyyyyyyyyyyype.
I'm pretty sure it's constantly explained how a semi-naked pinup of a woman is not the same as a semi-naked male juicer. They're both male fantasies. One is the woman as an object of male desire, and the other is the object of male power fantasy.
Only because of Societal norms. If people don't see a topless woman as an object of desire but of strength then it would have a different meaning to said people.
It also depends on the content of the image or what have you.
Men are not beasts. I'm tired of people thinking so.
S.Y.
Celestine doesn't look fat, she looks like a flying Angel of Retribution. And I can't wait to paint her ( and dedicate the sisters to the machine God or Slaanesh or both. )
Toxic_Toast wrote: Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
It's actually 38,000; but yes.
Sure? I mean.. does not matters more the how? The human form is part of the sculpt and the way is represented show specific choices for the company's part.
We can discuss the shape of a sculpted rifle or of a magic book, but not the human body? Are we not all adults? Cannot we discuss about the topic with maturity? Is the human body shameful?
(as stated, I like what they did here, I was afraid they went full Infinity).
Toxic_Toast wrote: Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
It's actually 38,000; but yes.
Sure? I mean.. does not matters more the how? The human form is part of the sculpt and the way is represented show specific choices for the company's part.
We can discuss the shape of a sculpted rifle or of a magic book, but not the human body? Are we not all adults? Cannot we discuss about the topic with maturity? Is the human body shameful?
(as stated, I like what they did here, I was afraid they went full Infinity).
That would depend on who you ask. Some people consider the Human form to be extremely Sinfull.
I personally like Infinity. If GW went that way I'd be quite happy.
Toxic_Toast wrote: Why does everyone care about how they portray female soldiers - in a fantasy world set millions of years into the future - this isn't some comment on modern day society. Heck all the guys are macho men anyways. I think people need to remember that we are all playing with toy soldiers here, enjoy the new models and rules and just have some fun
It's actually 38,000; but yes.
Sure? I mean.. does not matters more the how? The human form is part of the sculpt and the way is represented show specific choices for the company's part.
We can discuss the shape of a sculpted rifle or of a magic book, but not the human body? Are we not all adults? Cannot we discuss about the topic with maturity? Is the human body shameful?
(as stated, I like what they did here, I was afraid they went full Infinity).
That would depend on who you ask. Some people consider the Human form to be extremely Sinfull.
I personally like Infinity. If GW went that way I'd be quite happy.
But to each there own
S.Y.
My apologies, I was not clear; I generally love infinity sculpts. But there are female models in the same units not represented with the same pose or tone of the other models. I find that kind of thing absolutely not outrageous, but a bit immersion breaking and off-putting. But maybe this needs another thread.
If anything considering it's power armour that would add bulk, and not a skin tight suit.... I take that as meaning St.Celestine must be a string bean.... XD
Or it could be that the Armour is Quite Thin (As Artificer type armour is made with Stronger Materials)
And that she is Built like a Brick Sthouse (Sorry Reds8n)
This is an Example of what her Body Type would Look Like...
Side question -- what game is that from?
Overwatch
Isn't her armour some special relic? Worn by one of the original Daughters of the Emperor?
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thouse (Sorry Reds8n)
