Big Red wrote -
There are more rumors flying from normally accurate sources than I've seen in months.
Something is certainly at the center of all this smoke.
Here is the very accurate Arthurius11 from Warseer (almost 100% accurate since WFB Dark Elves were released)
The only thing I have heard about at this moment for this month is space hulk which is not fantasy related anyway.
That's all we have, so it could be anything from a re-release, to something more elaborate... It also puts the "Alien Invasion" tagline from White Dwarf into a new light.
I know Big red has rubbish accuracy but think Arthurius11 is 5 for 5 on his rumour accuracy....
Video seems to confirm this is up for pre-order on 13th Sept-
This week sees the release of a brand new edition of the iconic boxed game SPACE HULK.
•Contains everything you need to play 16 scenarios, including 4 totally new ones.
◦35 easy to assemble Citadel miniatures that do not require glue - 22 x Genestealers, 1 x Broodlord and 12 x Space Marine Terminators.
◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
◦1 x Rulebook and 1 x Mission book.
Price 100€/75£/125$
I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
It's only been 5 years since 3rd Ed Space Hulk and despite it's success since then GW seem to have given up on anything stand alone especially after the Dreadfleet debacle.
They now prefer to leave any stand alone board/card games based on their IP up to FFG. However FFG won't be able to release a version of Space Hulk as the game can't be played without 28mm miniatures, meaning it's not part of their licencing agreement. Iin a way this is a shame as FFG have sofar done an excellent job with the GW IP and would almost certainly do Space Hulk justice.
It's probably an expansion for the board game which requires the board game to be played, which means a really small target audience since that came out a few years ago and was a limited run.
Theophony wrote: It's probably an expansion for the board game which requires the board game to be played, which means a really small target audience since that came out a few years ago and was a limited run.
Hm Doesn't seem likely. Coincidentally, I was one of the lucky few to get a copy- still haven't painted them up yet sadly.
Popped over to Warseer to see if they had anything thing and saw this-
MiyamatoMusashi on Warseer wrote-
I heard a while back (and have mentioned a few times - though I wasn't certain until Arthurius said it) that they would be re-releasing exactly the same box this year. So that's what to expect AFAIK.
I'd be happy with that, missed out last time it was released.
angelofvengeance wrote: I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
Space Hulk was never a Specialist Game. In fact it pre-dates the entire concept of "Specialist Games" by quite a margin.
angelofvengeance wrote: I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
Space Hulk was never a Specialist Game. In fact it pre-dates the entire concept of "Specialist Games" by quite a margin.
I'd be curious to know what you'd class it as then..
I doubt it's an expansion. I know Genestealer and Deathwing are both collectibles but I found in game terms they broke it and bogged it down. Space Hulk is at it's best with the simple core set.
There are two Space Hulk video games being released soon. Ascension and Deathwing. Is it possible that talk of the release of these has been misinterpreted as talk of the release of a new Space Hulk board game?
angelofvengeance wrote: I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
Space Hulk was never a Specialist Game. In fact it pre-dates the entire concept of "Specialist Games" by quite a margin.
I'd be curious to know what you'd class it as then..
Personally I'd classify Space Hulk as a stand alone board game. Same as Talisman, Warhammer Quest or Advanced Space Crusade.
Whereas 'Specialist Games' are traditional tabletop wargames produced by GW that are not one of the 'big three'. So Necromunda, Warmaster, Epic, BFG and the like.
LuciusAR wrote: It's only been 5 years since 3rd Ed Space Hulk and despite it's success since then GW seem to have given up on anything stand alone especially after the Dreadfleet debacle.
They now prefer to leave any stand alone board/card games based on their IP up to FFG. However FFG won't be able to release a version of Space Hulk as the game can't be played without 28mm miniatures, meaning it's not part of their licencing agreement. Iin a way this is a shame as FFG have sofar done an excellent job with the GW IP and would almost certainly do Space Hulk justice.
If you are not shooting for the minaitures to be compatible, which is the situation FFG would be in, they might as well make it 15mm.
LuciusAR wrote: It's only been 5 years since 3rd Ed Space Hulk and despite it's success since then GW seem to have given up on anything stand alone especially after the Dreadfleet debacle.
They now prefer to leave any stand alone board/card games based on their IP up to FFG. However FFG won't be able to release a version of Space Hulk as the game can't be played without 28mm miniatures, meaning it's not part of their licencing agreement. Iin a way this is a shame as FFG have sofar done an excellent job with the GW IP and would almost certainly do Space Hulk justice.
If you are not shooting for the minaitures to be compatible, which is the situation FFG would be in, they might as well make it 15mm.
I know it's futile, but I really, really want this to be true! SH Terminators are the best out there, and I missed them first time around (started 40k a couple of weeks after it was released/sold out).
Meh. They could easily re-release it - and it makes sense given the way that they're pushing at everything like mad recently to prop up their sales figures.
Regardless of how well/badly Dreadfleet sold, Space Hulk proved it's worth last time around, and given the amount of time between editions, what's to stop them from doing another run in order to make another pile of cash.
Too good to be true, really. Space Hulk is a hugely desirable thing for GW to re-release. If they do, it'll probably be £150 and limited to 1,000 copies worldwide, with half the model count of the previous one, or something.
Bull0 wrote: Too good to be true, really. Space Hulk is a hugely desirable thing for GW to re-release. If they do, it'll probably be £150 and limited to 1,000 copies worldwide, with half the model count of the previous one, or something.
Then the whiners come in and complain about it, then the GW apologists will come along and say how the community hates GW no matter what they do.
angelofvengeance wrote: I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
Space Hulk was never a Specialist Game. In fact it pre-dates the entire concept of "Specialist Games" by quite a margin.
Specialist Games was more than a concept when Space Hulk was released. The 2006-2007 catalog has them all in the Specialist Games section.
However Space Hulk wasn't a Specialist Game. It was just a limited release game.
^nevermind the above comment. I was corrected below.
Space Hulk Rumors - Sept 2014
The only thing I have heard about at this moment for this month is space hulk which is not fantasy related anyway.
Fantasy Rumors - Aug 2014
Have some more "rumours" in regard to the end times campaign coming, as usual take them as you will.
Along with Nagash and the vampire releases I mentioned earlier there will also be new release models for tomb kings, skaven, chaos and dark elves.
Thanquol and bone ripper will be getting there own new models along with a new plastic vermin lord. There will also be new fantasy terrain.
That is all I know atm.
There will be a new Nagash model. TRUE
Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
To add the rumours I posted earlier in the thread, I was told today there will also be a plastic shadowblade model TRUE model called Black Ark Admiral. TRUE
Dark Elf Rumors - Sep 2013
First post so be kind. I have a friend who works for GW and he told me about 2 weeks ago about a
dual kit hydra / some other monster, TRUE dual kit plastic witch elves / sisters of slaughter, TRUE new cauldron and medusa kit thing was his exact words. TRUE
Hmmm...if they want to get real cheap, they just rerelease the old game, expect with Dark Vengeance Terminators in lieu of original SH ones and call it Space Hulk: Deathwing
Backfire wrote: Hmmm...if they want to get real cheap, they just rerelease the old game, expect with Dark Vengeance Terminators in lieu of original SH ones and call it Space Hulk: Deathwing
Hope not, because that would be hella-lame.
For that to look even halfway decent they would have to redo all the art and the photos in the rules and scenario books, and I would bet that isn't going to happen.
I wouldn't be surprised at all about this. I only JUST managed to get a copy of Space Hulk when it was released last time (from Ebay though!), and I imagine there were many people that missed out.
GW needs gimmicks like this to make up for dud releases like Space Wolves. It's a shame they didn't just make more the last time.
It'll probably be a quick buck for them. And aren't there IP related reasons for re-releasing games every X number of years? GW's done it in the past...2nd ed Talisman comes to mind. I wouldn't blink though...I bet it'll be a limited run that will sell out immediately.
Knowing GW though they'll most likely swap out the genestealers for chaos or something though
Especially considering they have a Space Hulk videogame already out, an expansion to that Space Hulk game coming out soon, a Space Hulk first person shooter coming out, and three editions of the actual Space Hulk board game that have all had Genestealers in it. I have no idea why they'd swap it out now.
angelofvengeance wrote: I very much doubt they'll be rehashing Space Hulk again. They've dropped all their Specialist Games which means Space Hulk won't be returning any time soon except in digital format.
Space Hulk was never a Specialist Game. In fact it pre-dates the entire concept of "Specialist Games" by quite a margin.
"Specialist Game" has become the code phrase for everything except 40K and WH Fantasy (and Dread Fleet), in other words all the great or perhaps not so great games that Games Workshop made in the past 15 years.
A Space Hulk 3 reprint might actually make sense for GW. They should have all the moulds, cutters and plates in store, so they just need to schedule production. They have money in the bank to pay for it. It was a hugely popular game last time it was released and sold out very quickly. Copies were changing hands on eBay for about £100 last time I looked.
The only question is whether the market may already be saturated.
Knowing GW though they'll most likely swap out the genestealers for chaos or something though
Especially considering they have a Space Hulk videogame already out, an expansion to that Space Hulk game coming out soon, a Space Hulk first person shooter coming out, and three editions of the actual Space Hulk board game that have all had Genestealers in it. I have no idea why they'd swap it out now.
it's gw though, they'll most likely use the old terminator sprews from the last one and just throw in the DV chaos cultists and charge three time as much
I don't know why people keep posting rubbish like that, except perhaps to be silly with "GW will do XYZ" posts. As Kilkrazy and others have said - it'd most likely be an exact reprint of the previous edition. There's no need or even reason to change a thing. Just queue up the existing work, and do a new run, print money - done!
People don't "keep" posting stuff like that, I had a cynical moan about how if this does happen they'll probably have made a change to sour the deal like leaving out half the terminators, and Tyraelvladinhurst said his weird thing about dropping the genestealers. That's two posts in two pages. But you know, sorry for not being optimistic about GW in 2014. What am I thinking.
If they really want to just do a re-release to 'please' their fans (and block the ebay speculators) they could go down the LE space marine captains route
Spend (big) money at GW online and get a code
use code to be allowed to buy LE space hulk reprint online... a reward for their most special (big spending) customers
I actually doubt they will be doing a re-release, but if the do I suspect the above is the way it will happen
Azazelx wrote: I don't know why people keep posting rubbish like that, except perhaps to be silly with "GW will do XYZ" posts. As Kilkrazy and others have said - it'd most likely be an exact reprint of the previous edition. There's no need or even reason to change a thing. Just queue up the existing work, and do a new run, print money - done!
I think it's a fair enough assumption that GW circa 2014 will find some way of making it as awkward to buy and as close towards nudging the top end of people's luxury goods budget as possible. I also shouldn't think independent store owners are even considering that they will get any copies of it to sell ..
Actually, I may be thinking too small here - there is certainly the opportunity to do something more fiendish..
After reading the article Arthurius11 only says Space Hulk. He doesn't specify if it's the board game or computer game. Other dodgy rumour mongers then jump on the bandwagon and say that it's a board game release.
The 2009 one was limited edition, therefore they can't re-release it using the same moulds, otherwise it's no longer limited edition. I can't remember any other time when GW has re-released something that is limited edition [correct me if I'm wrong].
I certainly won't be holding my breath. Remember the BloodBowl rumours? Had it as a certainty BB would get a re-release. Still waiting...
Why is it GW release everything I want at the same time? Haven't wanted anything new since marines and now they look to be releasing Space Hulk and Brets within a couple of months, curse you GW.
Azazelx wrote: I don't know why people keep posting rubbish like that, except perhaps to be silly with "GW will do XYZ" posts. As Kilkrazy and others have said - it'd most likely be an exact reprint of the previous edition. There's no need or even reason to change a thing. Just queue up the existing work, and do a new run, print money - done!
They do it to get on my ignore list.
I would expect an exact reprint, maybe with different box art or an exclusive mini or something. The work's already done, and it's already stellar.
tyrannosaurus wrote: After reading the article Arthurius11 only says Space Hulk. He doesn't specify if it's the board game or computer game. Other dodgy rumour mongers then jump on the bandwagon and say that it's a board game release.
The 2009 one was limited edition, therefore they can't re-release it using the same moulds, otherwise it's no longer limited edition. I can't remember any other time when GW has re-released something that is limited edition [correct me if I'm wrong].
I certainly won't be holding my breath. Remember the BloodBowl rumours? Had it as a certainty BB would get a re-release. Still waiting...
Where does it say "limited edition" on the product? They're also not numbered. The UK has very specific rules/laws about "true" Limited Edition items, and I don't believe SH hit those marks. I believe it was instead a "limited release" product - as in "We're only making one run of the product". So yes, they can indeed. Like Sanctus Reach, or DreadFleet. Even if it were so, they could add in one figure (like they did in The Hobbit, or Dark Vengeance) and ergo! - new, non-identical product!
We do? What are they? Legitimately asking, I have no idea. The only thing I can think of that would govern this would be advertising law, which is based on an independent complaints system in the UK - if someone complained that GW's marketing was misleading (such as if they re-release a product they'd previously led people to believe would be more scarce, regardless of whether that's "limited edition", "limited release", etc) they might get in hot water over the advertising, but that's all I can find.
Bull0 wrote: We do? What are they? Legitimately asking, I have no idea. The only thing I can think of that would govern this would be advertising law, which is based on an independent complaints system in the UK - if someone complained that GW's marketing was misleading (such as if they re-release a product they'd previously led people to believe would be more scarce, regardless of whether that's "limited edition", "limited release", etc) they might get in hot water over the advertising, but that's all I can find.
I've read people talking about specific examples. There's a case where (I think) Corgi had a limited edition car, but they were selling to well that when they decided to un-limit their edition, they had to remove the number, certificate, etc. I'm not describing it very well, but there are a few things that have to be done properly for something to be legally classified as a "limited edition" in a legal sense. I had a look earlier when I was writing up my post, but couldn't find the details.
tyrannosaurus wrote: I can't remember any other time when GW has re-released something that is limited edition [correct me if I'm wrong].
The Emperor's Champion model released as a limited edition to be sold only in-store on their 25th anniversary was later released in the 'Heroes of the Adeptus Astartes' box.
The Emperor's Champion model from the 3rd ed Black Templars army box was later released as a general release through GW US.
The Black Templars Captain in the 'special' version of the 3rd ed starter set was likewise later released for general sale alongside the normal metal captain.
The Necron Lord from the 4th(?) edition Necron army box was released for a time for general sale through the GW website.
Inquisitor Gideon Lorr was originally a limited event piece, but was for a time sold through the GW US website.
The Imperial Guard Praetorian range was originally released as a limited box set, and then later added to the core range due to demand.
There's a whole slew of Games Day miniatures that have been re-released at various events or sold at later Games Days, and the US-only Games Day female Commissar was made available for general sale through the GW website (while still simultaneously selling for 3 times the RRP on eBay!)
So no, GW have a long history of re-releasing limited editions. Having said that, I don't recall if Space Hulk was actually billed as a limited edition, or simply as a single print run.
That's all true for "limited edition" - you need to be able to demonstrate that it's limited, by, for example, numbering the product. The term "limited edition" is just one way of using the notion of scarcity to advertise a product, though - and it's not the only way that the ASA care about.
"Marketers should neither exaggerate the desirability by misleading about how limited their products are nor mislead about the present or likely future value of the item."
Selling something on the basis that when it's gone, it's gone, only to reprint it later, would be misleading. I'm pretty sure you'd have grounds to complain to the ASA anyway. I don't think this is the deciding factor in whether or not this is happening, though - bound to be workarounds.
Bull0 wrote: Selling something on the basis that when it's gone, it's gone, only to reprint it later, would be misleading. .
Only if the intention to reprint it later was there when you told everyone that when it's gone, it's gone.
The Praetorians are a perfect example of this in action... They were originally made as display miniatures for a Games Day board, and were never intended for release. When people kept asking for them, GW released a limited box set, with no intention of keeping them as a core product. And then when people still kept asking for them, they decided to put them into the core range to shut everyone up.
Marketing that initial box as a limited release wasn't being deliberately misleading. At that point in time, there was no intention of any further production.
Easy way to get around any "Limited Edition" hassles- They would probably need to reprint the cardboard tiles and tokens, as unline the plastic molds, I doubt they make those in house. Change the art on all the cardboard elements, different cover, different color/style dice, and they are good. For collectors, they are clearly different, while for casual gamers it is the same game and awesome models as 2009, and for dedicated gamers, it would be new tiles to mix and match with the old set for more variety. And costs would be minimal- merely art design.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Easy way to get around any "Limited Edition" hassles- They would probably need to reprint the cardboard tiles and tokens, as unline the plastic molds, I doubt they make those in house. Change the art on all the cardboard elements, different cover, different color/style dice, and they are good. For collectors, they are clearly different, while for casual gamers it is the same game and awesome models as 2009, and for dedicated gamers, it would be new tiles to mix and match with the old set for more variety. And costs would be minimal- merely art design.
That's quite a lot of work, actually - and way more than I think would happen, since it's unnecessary. I just looked over one of my copies, and nowhere on it does it state anything about "limited edition." - and there's nothing wrong with saying "we're only doing one print run" and then doing more 5 years later. I'm no fan of GW's current business practices, but seeing people get upset about a potential re-release of SH is about as low on my empathy meter as you can get. And yeah, I own 2 full copies. One I bought at retail, one I paid over and above for on eBay - and I wouldn't hold anything against anyone for a re-release for way less than I paid for that + shipping from the US (not bloody cheap - over $300 in total!)
I also have a couple of extra tilesets that I bought from one of those guys who used to part out sets. Hm.... if only I could remember who that was...
Bull0 wrote: We do? What are they? Legitimately asking, I have no idea. The only thing I can think of that would govern this would be advertising law, which is based on an independent complaints system in the UK - if someone complained that GW's marketing was misleading (such as if they re-release a product they'd previously led people to believe would be more scarce, regardless of whether that's "limited edition", "limited release", etc) they might get in hot water over the advertising, but that's all I can find.
I've read people talking about specific examples. There's a case where (I think) Corgi had a limited edition car, but they were selling to well that when they decided to un-limit their edition, they had to remove the number, certificate, etc. I'm not describing it very well, but there are a few things that have to be done properly for something to be legally classified as a "limited edition" in a legal sense. I had a look earlier when I was writing up my post, but couldn't find the details.
Yes that was me talking about it mate.
Yes that is the law as far as I understand it. Something is technically only a 'limited edition' if it is has specifically numbered certification inside attesting to that fact, with a number 'x out of 2000' etc. I know this from working in an independent hobby store that sold a load of die-cast stuff, trading standards came down on Corgi for releasing more than they should have. What they then used to do was if a new item sold very well was call around all of the stores and ask the shop owners to remove the certification from the boxes so it was no longer technically 'limited edition', and actually remove the sticker from the front of the box. (On a side note, you can guess how well this went down with the collectors!)
AFAIK Space Hulk didn't have certification in it, or anything on the box attesting to it being limited edition. GW can say 'this is limited edition', but without that printed certification in a legal sense it is meaningless. It's pretty common with computer games, they can say something is in a limited edition slip or metal case or whatever, when in actual fact they've probably made about 4 million of the things and will do so until it's stopped selling.
I managed to get a copy of the last, supposedly limited edition. I have kept it in the shrink wrap these past years. I would likely buy another copy if GW re-printed it. If they do so, it would be best not to claim it is limited and instead announce that they will support it with future expansions.
From a technical/legal point of view is "Limited Edition" the same thing as "Limited Supply"? I realise the answer could differ depending on where you are, but I'm asking if there's a difference in general.
We're still hung up on the definition of limited edition? When we've established that
1) It was never referred to as "Limited Edition" anyway and
2) It doesn't need to be referred to as "Limited Edition" for the fact that they marketed it on the basis of not being available in the future to matter?
Just for clarity, since it also apparently matters, I missed out the first time around and am definitely going to buy it if it turns out to be happening, so I'm not butthurt about it or whatever.
Genoside07 wrote: I keep seeing rumors about this and the new warhammer box set.. either way I don't think GW would release two large box sets back to back.
There's really no predicting GW's release schedule anymore. Things are coming out so fast right now. That being said, it's a Fantasy box and a 40k box. There's not quite as much overlap as say a 40k starter and a 40k boardgame coming out back to back.
Why is it the moment a semi positive rumor comes to light (a Space Hulk rerelease, something this website has been collectively clamoring for them to do for literally YEARS) and it takes 5 posts before people begin making massive speculations like "they'll replace it with cultists!" or "they'll take away the terminators!" or "it'll be made of spiders and make your hair fall out!" Some times this website is a bit too pessimistic.
Just checked the Sept 2009 WD (Space Hulk release). No mention of 'limited edition'. All wording is 'While Stocks Last', so the same as they use for the magic cards currently.
Special Anniversary Limited Edition, with new box art and hard-cover rule books but otherwise identical box contents, and all for only twice the old price? :(
And it would probably sell out while on pre-order... :( :(
I'd honestly like to see a new game, but the way GW can jack up a wet dream, I'm a little skeptical that they will not do what they always do and crap all over a good idea.
I still have my first game plus expansions. There was nothing wrong with it.
BTW if anyone wants to part with a Space Hulk Compendium, I'd be interested in taking it off your hands.
If the Price is reasonable this would be something i would pick up, the last version had some nice miniature, just add a 25th special miniature to it and GW will survive another 6 month financial report.
I am a proud owner of the limited release version so for me to part with cash, any future release of SH would have to be a significant change from my version. some new terminators would not cut it. The good news is that if this rumour points to a new standard issue then it might lead to expansions! i would love GW to fully support this again.
Although, this being a rumour, I think it is a confusion with the release of the Computer game. Shame if I am right. I hope I am wrong!
Man they are really throwing some curve-balls out into the release schedule lately! Pretty exciting really as no one source of rumours is completely accurate at a given time.
Interested to see what they bring out, but as someone who owns the 20th anniversary edition, and thinks that they got that just about perfect, i'm not sure I see myself buying the new edition. I have the game, it's got fabulous figures, a great system and nicely complete as a boxed game. I don't see where they can improve on the 20th ed and justify a purchase to someone who already has that (and has looked after it)
This week sees the release of a brand new edition of the iconic boxed game SPACE HULK.
•Contains everything you need to play 16 scenarios, including 4 totally new ones.
◦35 easy to assemble Citadel miniatures that do not require glue - 22 x Genestealers, 1 x Broodlord and 12 x Space Marine Terminators.
◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
◦1 x Rulebook and 1 x Mission book.
Price 100€/75£/125$
The thing I have never really got with the 28mm scale specialist games, and there lack of support from GW, is that they actually don't need to do too much to support them. They don't even ever have to release models for them, they just need to update rules that point to the requirement of needing certain models. Do a Inquisimunda style rule set, and then just role it from there, a space marine/chaos marine expansion, a tau expansion, an eldar expansion, a gene stealer cult expansion etc etc... Then just let people create their own models. It's just a case of writing rules, or even data slates for new character build options and campaigns etc. I believe it would easily be their most easily maintained game via just needing to write a new short supplement every 3-6 months at first and annually after that.
I wonder if they would release and 'upgrade pack' for folks with the 3rd edition so they could get the new tiles/missions without having to buy the rest again.
This week sees the release of a brand new edition of the iconic boxed game SPACE HULK.
•Contains everything you need to play 16 scenarios, including 4 totally new ones.
◦35 easy to assemble Citadel miniatures that do not require glue - 22 x Genestealers, 1 x Broodlord and 12 x Space Marine Terminators.
◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
◦1 x Rulebook and 1 x Mission book.
Price 100€/75£/125$
This week sees the release of a brand new edition of the iconic boxed game SPACE HULK.
•Contains everything you need to play 16 scenarios, including 4 totally new ones.
◦35 easy to assemble Citadel miniatures that do not require glue - 22 x Genestealers, 1 x Broodlord and 12 x Space Marine Terminators.
◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
◦1 x Rulebook and 1 x Mission book.
Price 100€/75£/125$
This week sees the release of a brand new edition of the iconic boxed game SPACE HULK.
•Contains everything you need to play 16 scenarios, including 4 totally new ones.
◦35 easy to assemble Citadel miniatures that do not require glue - 22 x Genestealers, 1 x Broodlord and 12 x Space Marine Terminators.
◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
◦1 x Rulebook and 1 x Mission book.
Price 100€/75£/125$
My Wallet Curses You GW!
Doesn't seem likely.
Yep that video has totally nothing to do with anything
Interesting, I guess what with the release of the 2 video games and it being the 25th Anniversary they decided to do a re-release after all. I can't think what else that video could have been referring to.
I'm assuming this is just a straight re-issue of the 2009 3rd edition set? No that I can think of anything else they could do to improve it.
Anyone remember how much they paid for the 2009 game? I think it was £60 I paid for mine, does that sound right?
LuciusAR wrote: Interesting, I guess what with the release of the 2 video games and it being the 25th Anniversary they decided to do a re-release after all. I can't think what else that video could have been referring to.
I'm assuming this is just a straight re-issue of the 2009 3rd edition set? No that I can think of anything else they could do to improve it.
Anyone remember how much they paid for the 2009 game? I think it was £60 I paid for mine, does that sound right?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ok, yeah, it's Space Hulk. That was all Space Hulk artwork.
That's great though: Bitz sites will soon have an abundance of spare tiles!
God damn it I just bought a second set of Tile (plus all the tokens and doors) this week end for £20... New art / adjustments on the tiles would be welcome but I just hope the tiles jigsaw/connect with the 3rd edition ones, So that I can now make three set mega hulks.
I will buy this just for the extra missions/whatever.
CptJake wrote: I wonder if they would release and 'upgrade pack' for folks with the 3rd edition so they could get the new tiles/missions without having to buy the rest again.
Alpharius wrote: Yeah, it is going to have to offer *something* significantly new/different to the last time around in order to get me to buy it!
I don't believe I am going to say this.
I would like to get duplicates for most everything. I would love all of those tiles for Zone Mortalis, Never have enough Grenestealers, I just don't need anymore Terminators right now
guru wrote: ◦189 board sections and gaming counters, including the new boarding torpedoes, breach counters, a damaged control room and turbo-lift tile sections.
Panic wrote: ... but I just hope the tiles jigsaw/connect with the 3rd edition ones, So that I can now make three set mega hulks.
I'd be surprised if they didn't. The 3rd Ed Hulk tiles, despite being quite a bit thicker than their older cousins, have the same connectors as 1st Ed Hulk, 2nd Ed Hulk and even Tyranid Attack.
Sounds like another GW cash grab. If rumors are correct its just the same game as the last release with some new tiles, counters and missions. It also appears to be a "Limited Run", which means (if the past is any indication) there will be no continuing support for the game.
I don't really get it. Make a game and support it..or don't. 1edition Space Hulk was huge, two expansions plus mission books, WD articles, rules for using other forces...etc.
So then there are going to be some differences between this and the 2009 release? I'll wait and see what the extra missions are before making a decision.
With the 1st Edition they released some rules for using regular Marines in a White Dwarf and I think a supplement with Scouts. IIRC
I never tried regular Marines ingame, but just from reading the WD article (it was published somewhere between 115 and 120, IIRC), they were pitifully weak against Stealers (-2 to the CC roll, IIRC) and when shooting (1 dice instead of 2). They had a neat choice of grenades and missiles, though.
As for that new edition - if I hadn't bought the last edition I might be tempted... seriously, I'd probably preorder it (which I usually don't do for anything).
But although I'd like a few new missions and various counter/tile bits, I'm really not enough of a LE/Premium collector to get another set. I'd rather try and get a decent edition of Space Hulk Campaigns online...
Andrew1975 wrote: Sounds like another GW cash grab. If rumors are correct its just the same game as the last release with some new tiles, counters and missions. It also appears to be a "Limited Run", which means (if the past is any indication) there will be no continuing support for the game.
I don't really get it. Make a game and support it..or don't. 1edition Space Hulk was huge, two expansions plus mission books, WD articles, rules for using other forces...etc.
I never understood the demand for 'continuing support' to a stand alone board game. Publishing a few extra scenarios online or in White Dwarf seems plenty. It isn't designed to be infinitely expandable like 40k, it is just a board game. Just like with other board games out there, folks are free to tinker with house rules and add other forces and so on. GW doing so or not doing so shouldn't hamper anyone.
Andrew1975 wrote: Sounds like another GW cash grab. If rumors are correct its just the same game as the last release with some new tiles, counters and missions. It also appears to be a "Limited Run", which means (if the past is any indication) there will be no continuing support for the game.
I don't really get it. Make a game and support it..or don't. 1edition Space Hulk was huge, two expansions plus mission books, WD articles, rules for using other forces...etc.
GW of today is a vastly different animal from the company 25 years ago.
Andrew1975 wrote: Sounds like another GW cash grab. If rumors are correct its just the same game as the last release with some new tiles, counters and missions. It also appears to be a "Limited Run", which means (if the past is any indication) there will be no continuing support for the game.
I don't really get it. Make a game and support it..or don't. 1edition Space Hulk was huge, two expansions plus mission books, WD articles, rules for using other forces...etc.
I never understood the demand for 'continuing support' to a stand alone board game. Publishing a few extra scenarios online or in White Dwarf seems plenty. It isn't designed to be infinitely expandable like 40k, it is just a board game. Just like with other board games out there, folks are free to tinker with house rules and add other forces and so on. GW doing so or not doing so shouldn't hamper anyone.
Support for a game is huge, just trying to fing a pick up game of Epic. Yeah good luck with that. 1st edition was well supported and was pretty popular getting numerous expansions and WD articles kept the game going.
Not supporting games is why many players won't buy into them. I sure as hell would never have bought into Necromunda if I had known GW would stop supporting it, same reason when all my friends bough gorkka morrka I didn't by in, I knew the investment of hundreds of dollars would be wasted in just a while.
I have every version of Epic scale/Space Marine. First couple of editions they supported really well, the last one was gone before they could even finish it. I would not buy a new release unless I knew they were actually going to support it. I've seen too may GW games just disappear.
GW of today is a vastly different animal from the company 25 years ago.
Yes I know, GW used to create multiple games and support them, now its all just how can we kick the 40k horse over and over.
Epic was never intended to be a stand alone board game, it is a very crappy comparison. The rules in the latest version had force lists for armies not included, very clearly indicating the box set was a starter, just as a 40K box set is.
Necromunda and Gorka Morka, same things, they were never intended to be a stand alone board game.
Huge difference in starting a new system (like Epic or 40K) and buying a stand alone board game (like Space Hulk).
I guess I also don't understand the inability to play or enjoy a game like Necromunda because GW quit supporting it. It is either a fun game to play, or it is not. It honestly cannot be too darned difficult to stat out figures for your gang if you want to add to your gang. To consider buying into a fun game a waste because someone no longer force feeds you New Better Shiny just doesn't make sense to me.
Then again, I generally don't play a lot of systems that focus on a single company providing The Only Figures You Can Use, I tend to get either rule systems for which I can build armies I like from figures I have or want regardless of the company, or I buy board games that are pretty much self contained (like Space Hulk...)
I hope it's not limited this time... I just spent nearly £200 on FW models for my pre heresy Raven Guard so can't afford it this month but I'd love to own it in the future.
LuciusAR wrote: How rare is Space Hulk Campaigns (the yellow book) these days? I've got a copy (sorry I've no interest in selling it) and I'm just curious.
I always find that eBay is fair reflection of market value.
Seems there are two buy it nows currently for sale for £65-£95
But looking at completed auctions most sell for between £15 - £45
I'll probably end up buying this one even though I bought two in 2009, although I did sell one set of terminators for more than the price of one box I guess I'll have a ton of stealers and three sets of tiles to make super hulks
I never unwrapped the last one (not because of collector's value or anything, I just never got round to playing it) so I'll probably pass, unless there's new sculpts.
lord_blackfang wrote: I never unwrapped the last one (not because of collector's value or anything, I just never got round to playing it) so I'll probably pass, unless there's new sculpts.
I'll fault GW for a lot of things, such as their lack of any creativity lately.. but selling models is what they do, at least it's not another BOOK but actual decent models.
I'll fault GW for a lot of things, such as their lack of any creativity lately.. but selling models is what they do, at least it's not another BOOK but actual decent models.
I wish they did this more often. I would love fore them to remake all of there other ones this way. If they sell out quickly, they might start making/Re-Releasing more of there old stuff.
Imagine Necomunda or Mordhiem with this kind of plastic models.
GW's putting out Space Hulk again and we're complaining about it? Geeze.
More an observation. I've already got Space Hulk, it'll be good for people who haven't. Perhaps this should be a wider lasting release, get it into the wider market and not just dedicated game shops. As it is, rereleasing a one shot again after only a few years does smack a little of short term desperation. Clearly they're looking at the profits and have decided they need some cash fast and pushing out the limited release that did well a few years ago is just the ticket. If they refuse support and limit the release so as to be difficult to obtain, they'll just make the same mistakes again.
lord_blackfang wrote: I never unwrapped the last one (not because of collector's value or anything, I just never got round to playing it) so I'll probably pass, unless there's new sculpts.
Best sell that thing now cause come Friday its gonna drop drastically in price.
Hope its the same as the last one, I ruined a few of the terminators, could do with another set.
Got to love how they give the people what they want, yet the bitter still moan on !!
You are in luck. I cannot confirm, because it's not "go loud" day yet, but rumors have it that it's the same models, different missions, different boards. I of course am just repeating crap i heard on the intrawebs and not confirming anything i'm not supposed to talk about.
I'll be grabbing one. I used to love Space Hulk back in the day. I would hope it wasn't going to be a limited release and that they would get it put in big market stores.
CptJake wrote:
I guess I also don't understand the inability to play or enjoy a game like Necromunda because GW quit supporting it. It is either a fun game to play, or it is not. It honestly cannot be too darned difficult to stat out figures for your gang if you want to add to your gang. To consider buying into a fun game a waste because someone no longer force feeds you New Better Shiny just doesn't make sense to me.
It doesn't stop me, I still play Necromunda when I can, and am currently working on terrain and miniatures for it.. The real problem is that most people do have a problem with it....and so finding someone who wants to play, much less scour ebay for either their own copy of the rules/official figs/terrain, is rather a pain. They want a game that is officially supported and getting frequent (or at least steady) updates and new shinies to add too. Doing everything custom is an option, but again, a significant time investment in converting/building new terrain....Luckily, at least for Necromunda, there are some core 40k products out now that can work...but again, I think it's more a mental thing...it's the "if I put all this time and effort into this, will I even have anyone that wants to play it 2 months from now?" conundrum.
The way this relates to Space Hulk, a stand-alone board game (as people are putting it), is that back in the Golden Era of GW ( I'd say the mid-1990s ) All of their games got continued support, if not with official expansions or miniature waves, then in articles in White Dwarf (I just bought my first 'new' WD last week....boy what a sad comparison to the hobby mag from the 80s-90s). 1st ed Space Hulk had many articles published showcasing Terminator units/missions from the 'Big Four' (Ultra Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, & Space Wolves). These gave a little fluff backstory, some custom board layouts, and occasionally a new rule, or new tiles to add to the game. Eventually these were compiled into the Space Hulk Campaigns hardcover book that is much sought after by collectors these days. We even had 2 expansions, Deathwing and Genestealer. Even when 2nd edition was released, they had several mission articles in WD to support the game.
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Hubris75 wrote: Happy owner of the last release, but Ill purchase a copy of this if the Marines are Vanilla.
I'll only buy it if the Marines are Deathwing.
I'd love to see Deathwing done up in the new edition of Space Hulk. The original 1st ed expansion box was what got me into 40k, and my first army (Dark Angles).
By diligent scouring of ebay (and refusing to buy any priced over acertain amount) I have ended up with almost all 2009 terminators. If this re-issue helps me acquire the Librarian or the Lightning Claw guy without spending £15 - 20 per model, then I say bring it on.
sockwithaticket wrote: By diligent scouring of ebay (and refusing to buy any priced over acertain amount) I have ended up with almost all 2009 terminators. If this re-issue helps me acquire the Librarian or the Lightning Claw guy without spending £15 - 20 per model, then I say bring it on.
I managed to pick up a second copy with a badly damaged corner (from a drop) for the original retail price ($100) a couple years back...I wanted the extra tiles and extra genestealers...I was in the process of converting the original BA terminators to Deathwing, and had no need for the second set. My best friend, whom I get to see maybe once a year, collects BAs though, so guess what surprise he got for his birthday?
I owned the 3rd edition Space Hulk, so my opinion has a vasted interest. Having said that, here's my reaction to the Rerelease of Space Hulk:
1. I really hope it is NOT a re-release of 3rd edition with same models, GW back in 2008 promised its a one off release of the boxset. I will reflect negatively to those customers who purchased it based on the limited avaliability.
2. I hope it is a new Space Hulk 4th edition, with new models, tiles and missions.
3. I do wonder the pricing of the boxset SH 3rd was sold for $118CAD back in 2008. I wonder what price set 4th will be. My guess it will be at least the price of stormclaw, at $150CAD.
sockwithaticket wrote: By diligent scouring of ebay (and refusing to buy any priced over acertain amount) I have ended up with almost all 2009 terminators. If this re-issue helps me acquire the Librarian or the Lightning Claw guy without spending £15 - 20 per model, then I say bring it on.
My local Store (not GW) have been 'Conditionally Allocated 3 copies" and no more. They've advertised it on their FB page (no Piccies or details) First come first served!
TheSecretSquig wrote: My local Store (not GW) have been 'Conditionally Allocated 3 copies" and no more. They've advertised it on their FB page (no Piccies or details) First come first served!
Really? Dammit, if that's true and it's extremely limited again I'm unhappy as I'm not going to have money this weekend to preorder it anyway and so I'll more than likely miss out on it... yay.
Literally just sold my copy [without terminators] on Sunday, dunno what made me put it up on Ebay, just saw it collecting dust and thought it was time. Feel a little bad for the bloke who bought it.
Hope this is a completely new edition, if it's pretty much the same as last time it's gonna piss a lot of people off. Wonder if the release date being around the same time as Operation Icestorm is coincidence?
My usual online indie has posted up he's getting 24 copies only , I may bypass online discounters and just get it from GW this once as I can see demand being massive.
Sorry , the only people who this annoys are the speculators killing the hobby.
Andrew1975 wrote: Sounds like another GW cash grab. If rumors are correct its just the same game as the last release with some new tiles, counters and missions. It also appears to be a "Limited Run", which means (if the past is any indication) there will be no continuing support for the game.
I don't really get it. Make a game and support it..or don't. 1edition Space Hulk was huge, two expansions plus mission books, WD articles, rules for using other forces...etc.
Most of the extra stuff was gak though.
Original 1st edition Spulk is probably the best standalone game GW ever made.
The Deathwing expansion added a couple of good things and a couple of crappy things, in order to sell some metal figures.
The next expansion added some crappy things, in order to sell some metal figures.
So yet again they do something good (Space Hulk) and then completely drop the ball almost to invalidate the good thing (limited run AGAIN).
This is why GW can't win. For every good idea, they do something along with it to make you facepalm. There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that. Instead it's going to be yet another "Better spend money right now before it's gone! You have one hour before there's no more left!" kind of gak.
I don't even care that it's the same figures as before, it's the fact that it has to be limited edition which means it'll likely sell out within an hour. That is not a good business idea to do for a regular fething game. This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
Hell, the game I originally played that got me into D&D, which later got me into wargaming, was Heroquest, which was a GW game too (or at least the figures were) that I picked up at Toys R Us when I was 9 years old. Hell bring back Warhammer Quest (I would say Mordheim but Mordheim is more like a skirmish wargame than a board game with miniatures) and have it be in the same area. That'll get people interested, especially if you included a thing saying that if you like Space Hulk you can expand to 40k and use the genestealers and terminators for a tyranid and space marine/blood angel army respectively.
But no. Make it limited edition and sell out in an hour.
I'm surprised they didn't go for a deathwing expansion instead of a rerelease. Very lazy imo. It's almost like they enjoy pissing everyone off as much as they can.
mjl7atlas wrote: I'm surprised they didn't go for a deathwing expansion instead of a rerelease. Very lazy imo. It's almost like they enjoy pissing everyone off as much as they can.
A limited expansion for a limited release game, even GW doesn't make calls that bad. I guess if the minis were good enough it would still sell though, most people bought Space Hulk based on the value of the miniatures, which was a pretty good value actually.
WayneTheGame wrote: There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that.
This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
TheSecretSquig wrote: My local Store (not GW) have been 'Conditionally Allocated 3 copies" and no more. They've advertised it on their FB page (no Piccies or details) First come first served!
I've got about 10x that coming in, but that might be differences in sales numbers, or allocation strategies between US and UK offices. GW is always an interesting puzzle to figure out.
WayneTheGame wrote: There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that.
This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
Spot on. Could not say it better.
Shelf/display space in stores, both their own and in independent retailers is one reason to keep it a limited release.
Looking at the local walmart and toys-r-us shelves, games as complex as Space Hulk do not seem to be stocked, at least not regularly. My guess (and yes, that is all it is) is that is for a reason, and I suspect that reason is the market for it in the quantities needed to justify those big stores carrying it, just does not exist.
So now that we've established the 'literally zero reasons' is literally not true, perhaps you can quit the hyperbole?
tyrannosaurus wrote: Wonder if the release date being around the same time as Operation Icestorm is coincidence?
If not planned, then at least bloody annoying! But as much as I'd love to pick up Space Hulk, Icestorm has been on order for weeks so it wins. If GW had half a brain, of course, they'd not do a limited run and this wouldn't be an issue.
Because of the excellent "It doesn't exist until 7 days beforehand" marketing strategy.
These guys give the word incompetence new meaning.
I have so far found only one reference to the new release other than here and that was a notification on Gifts for Geeks that they were out of stock already.
Also if they are going to breach trades descriptions and rerelease a game that was originally a limited edition they should at least plug it and no longer leave it a limited edition.
GW sounds desperate, to pull this, and imcompetent to pull it so badly.
WayneTheGame wrote: There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that.
This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
Spot on. Could not say it better.
Shelf/display space in stores, both their own and in independent retailers is one reason to keep it a limited release.
Looking at the local walmart and toys-r-us shelves, games as complex as Space Hulk do not seem to be stocked, at least not regularly. My guess (and yes, that is all it is) is that is for a reason, and I suspect that reason is the market for it in the quantities needed to justify those big stores carrying it, just does not exist.
So now that we've established the 'literally zero reasons' is literally not true, perhaps you can quit the hyperbole?
Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
I'm also guessing that GW wouldn't want to tie up its manufacturing trying to keep Wal-Mart and Toys'R'Us stores stocked, especially given the low margins they'll get there.
WayneTheGame wrote: So yet again they do something good (Space Hulk) and then completely drop the ball almost to invalidate the good thing (limited run AGAIN).
This is why GW can't win. For every good idea, they do something along with it to make you facepalm. There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that. Instead it's going to be yet another "Better spend money right now before it's gone! You have one hour before there's no more left!" kind of gak.
I don't even care that it's the same figures as before, it's the fact that it has to be limited edition which means it'll likely sell out within an hour. That is not a good business idea to do for a regular fething game. This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
Hell, the game I originally played that got me into D&D, which later got me into wargaming, was Heroquest, which was a GW game too (or at least the figures were) that I picked up at Toys R Us when I was 9 years old. Hell bring back Warhammer Quest (I would say Mordheim but Mordheim is more like a skirmish wargame than a board game with miniatures) and have it be in the same area. That'll get people interested, especially if you included a thing saying that if you like Space Hulk you can expand to 40k and use the genestealers and terminators for a tyranid and space marine/blood angel army respectively.
But no. Make it limited edition and sell out in an hour.
I agree with every thing you've said here 100%
I don't know what there problem is. It would always sell. They could bring out expansions. I. Don't. Understand.
Also...I got mine off ebay for a LOT of money last year. If it's exactly the same I will be pretty annoyed
Mr.Church13 wrote: Yeah. I'm sure it'll sell but I wish it was Death Wing.
As a Deathwing player, after Dark Vengeance etc. I don't really need more DW Terminators...so unless they were like really gorgeous Deathwing minis, it's not a selling point for me. I think it would be actually cool if they were like Imperial Fists etc. Just something fresh out of nowhere. However at this point I bet they're same BA termies as in 2009 edition.
If this is indeed a new edition of space hulk I will certainly be buying it. Loved the last edition and it was actually the only GW game that I played, probably due to the all included nature of the box.
I hate to imagine how fast it sells out though. The last limited edition thing that was produced was the force field generator thing that was generally considered to be beyond ugly and overpriced yet still sold out before the first day was over. Imagine a reasonably priced, fan favourite board game that people actually asked for?
Well, I won't buy it if it's the same (I own all editions and expansions and they cannot lure me with small additions). But I'll propably get another Broodlord for conversion from Ebay. The model has some minor faults (elongated skulls on the base) but compared to the abomination they still sell it's just in another league. I have nearly all Stealer related models (including hybrids, magi, familiars and Patriarchs) just because... GENESTEALERS... but not this model with stupid pose, chitin muscles and four claws.
WayneTheGame wrote: So yet again they do something good (Space Hulk) and then completely drop the ball almost to invalidate the good thing (limited run AGAIN).
This is why GW can't win. For every good idea, they do something along with it to make you facepalm. There is literally zero reason this should be limited. THIS is what they should be pitching to go on shelves at WalMart, Toys R Us and similar places like that. Instead it's going to be yet another "Better spend money right now before it's gone! You have one hour before there's no more left!" kind of gak.
I don't even care that it's the same figures as before, it's the fact that it has to be limited edition which means it'll likely sell out within an hour. That is not a good business idea to do for a regular fething game. This should be regularly available as a gateway into the GW "Hobby".
Hell, the game I originally played that got me into D&D, which later got me into wargaming, was Heroquest, which was a GW game too (or at least the figures were) that I picked up at Toys R Us when I was 9 years old. Hell bring back Warhammer Quest (I would say Mordheim but Mordheim is more like a skirmish wargame than a board game with miniatures) and have it be in the same area. That'll get people interested, especially if you included a thing saying that if you like Space Hulk you can expand to 40k and use the genestealers and terminators for a tyranid and space marine/blood angel army respectively.
But no. Make it limited edition and sell out in an hour.
Take two tranquilizers and a dose of reality and calm down.
1) All boardgames of this type are "limited editions". They just don't advertise it that way, and don't sell the way this one does. Many of the best boardgames in my shop are constantly out of print for months at a time, waiting for a new production run. There isn't a magical machine that makes boardgames. Components are made all over the world, shipped to a packaging house, then shipped out again to warehouses. Make too many and you tie up dollars you need for other games and pay warehouse fees. Make too little and you leave money on the table. Manufacturers, Distributors, and Retailers all have some version of "order too little or too many".
2) How many did GW make? When will it sell out? Anyone know?....Nope, neither do I. Nor does GW. Plenty of time to yell about it after we see if they missed the mark or not.
3) How many more Shulk could they have sold last time? 5k? 10k? 20k? I was told they printed 80k. I have friends printing very good boardgames that start off with 10-15k and are committing their whole company to the venture. 80k last time was huge. And a huge success. Could have sold more, absolutely, but how many? And did being "limited" factor into it with gamers rushing after anything 'limited'. Say it again, makes any game taste better, sell more. Except for.......
4) Dreadfleet. Lets just not talk about it. Moving on. Don't look at it, it will follow you home.
5) They reprinted something we all wanted to see reprinted. Huzzah!! Lets go buy some. Maybe they will do it again. They seem to be remembering they like money. That's a good thing for GW. What's rule #1? "SELL MORE LEAD"
6) There are reasons not to sell into mass market. I'd need a few pages and more desire to go into them.
7) Heroquest was a Milton Bradley game. GW made the pieces for them, had a hand in the artwork. Not sure what % overall was theirs. Similar to Battle Masters, Space Crusade.
It's ok to scream at GW. Trust me, I have more anger for GW festering within me than 99.5% of Dakka, (the other .5% scare me). I get to scream at them to their face, and my family depends on me selling their stuff. Not great at times. My sales and rep and I both agree that melting his ears off doesn't help me get models, i try not to.
But....You don't yell at someone for doing something RIGHT! We've all been hoping for a Space Hulk reprint. They are also giving us new boards and missions. (And a reason to buy another copy). I'm actually ok with the pricing. Maybe wait a bit and see what happens. Plenty of time to yell at GW later.
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Jackal wrote: I hope this is the same as i was pissed that i missed the 1st run. (came out a week or so before pay day for me)
And there is no way im buying the termies for around £10 each like people are asking on ebay.
So if it does pop up i dont mind buying a copy or possibly even 2 for the models.
Same game essentially. Rulebook, miniatures, and dice are the same. Corridors will be a different set. Missions will be new. Plays the same as the originally printing.
Commander Cain wrote: If this is indeed a new edition of space hulk I will certainly be buying it. Loved the last edition and it was actually the only GW game that I played, probably due to the all included nature of the box.
I hate to imagine how fast it sells out though. The last limited edition thing that was produced was the force field generator thing that was generally considered to be beyond ugly and overpriced yet still sold out before the first day was over. Imagine a reasonably priced, fan favourite board game that people actually asked for?
Significantly more made.
With the FF generator, i was a lucky store that was allowed to order one fething box.
I've got 27 copies of Space Hulk coming in, possibly more.
Check with local retailers, reserve a copy of it. Because I agree with you that it might sell fast from their website. Then again, who knows? Maybe they say 'limited' and have 100k copies
mikhaila wrote: GW is always an interesting puzzle to figure out.
Has anyone worked out the solution yet?
We've found most of the border, but there are a few key pieces missing.
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mikhaila wrote: Same game essentially. Rulebook, miniatures, and dice are the same. Corridors will be a different set. Missions will be new. Plays the same as the originally printing.
Disappointing. The tiles are the one thing that I'm not happy with from the previous one ... Mine have all warped, so not at all excited about new ones.
New miniatures would have potentially meant another buy for me.
Having said that, even re-releasing it with no changes would have still been a good move... Still plenty of people looking for this game.
Congrats, GW. I'll likely buy a copy again. Sold the terminators alone for $120, still have the rest of it. Got my first copy free, too. I liked it, and if I can get enjoyment out of it again, make bigger maps, and have some fun...win!! If they do something insane and put crap like Space Wolves in though, I'd avoid it like a herpes ridden coed (that everyone knows is infected).
I'd be interested in a (my first) Space Hulk, but if the limited run thing is still happening... as mentioned, it's pretty damn silly. For a company sorely in need of sales, actively stopping people from giving you money... /facepalm
Dungeon Saga, Imperial Assault etc. have all gotten me in the mood for some boardwargames.
On a side note, I was just looking at my SH minis and noticed that every single skull on all the bases have bullet holes in despite the genestealers not having guns of any kind. Perhaps this mystery could be the start of a spin-off whodunnit type game? Someone had to kill all those guys after all!
On a side note, I was just looking at my SH minis and noticed that every single skull on all the bases have bullet holes in despite the genestealers not having guns of any kind. Perhaps this mystery could be the start of a spin-off whodunnit type game? Someone had to kill all those guys after all!
Im not very familliar with the models, but is it possible that someone, or something kind of drilled that hole to suck the brain out?
On a side note, I was just looking at my SH minis and noticed that every single skull on all the bases have bullet holes in despite the genestealers not having guns of any kind. Perhaps this mystery could be the start of a spin-off whodunnit type game? Someone had to kill all those guys after all!
All imperial children are shot in the skull at birth to determine how good they can take a bullet as a tank shield.
lord_blackfang wrote: I never unwrapped the last one (not because of collector's value or anything, I just never got round to playing it) so I'll probably pass, unless there's new sculpts.
Best sell that thing now cause come Friday its gonna drop drastically in price.
Meh? I'm not interested in fleecing anybody. I have my Space Hulk, if I ever want to play it I'll play it. End of story.
Should tide me over to til the BA release...only downside is I just dropped some serious hobby cash on a new carry case...if only I'd known this was coming...
However, I have to say, a new edition of Space Hulk makes complete sense if you consider GW's current predicament. They have no idea what 'we' want (we being 40K fans in general). They probably don't know why Space Hulk sold while Dreadfleet flopped. So, in order to get a desperate injection of cash, they'll repeat the successful Space Hulk formula with a few tweaks. They dare not try something new ala Dreadfleet as that represents a risk. If only they did some basic market research, they'd understand why it flopped. It doesn't take much effort and it boggles the mind that they don't try even in slightest way. Even a simple leaflet in each box of Space Hulk saying "If you liked this, tell us what else you would like to see by visiting gw.com/tellus". It's cheap and they'd end up with a bunch of responses that says that literally shout back "Warhammer Quest!", "Necromunda!", "Adeptus Titanicus!", "BFG!" or "Blood Bowl!".
coolmandool wrote: Lol. Cluedo 40k edition.
It was Colonel Straken in the reactor room with a laspistol!
Cluedo wouldnt work in 40K:
Inquisitor turns up, sends Colonel Mustard to the Penal Legion, he is useful you see, executes the other five. Problem sorted, now on to the next task.
A bit of notice would have been lovely, then I could have budgeted for both SH and Infinity. But Infinity piqued my interest about three or four months ago with their cheeky little hints and such and I've already pre-ordered/paid for O:I.
monders wrote: A bit of notice would have been lovely, then I could have budgeted for both SH and Infinity.
That doesn't work. GW's extensive market research (ie: They asked Kirby, and he said so) says that if you know about the release more than 3 minutes before handing over your cash, you'll lose interest and go google 'Pokemon' (whatever that is) or something instead.
monders wrote: A bit of notice would have been lovely, then I could have budgeted for both SH and Infinity. But Infinity piqued my interest about three or four months ago with their cheeky little hints and such and I've already pre-ordered/paid for O:I.
Agree on that one - however as a long term Space Hulk fan I'm sort of going to have to have to get one just fro the very small amount of new tiles and missions, I think many people will do the same but I'm guessing we'll see a whole load of Plastic arriving on fleabay before too long. I'm not sure I'll need 20 Marines unless GW have actually been clever and made some of the later missions to be more than the 2 squads in the box.
Just Pre-Ordered my copy from my LFGS. On their notice from GW, 12th September is the ‘Go Noisy’ date, ie. When they can officially advertise / talk about it, actual release date is TBA. The box art on the email is identical to the last version released, but this may not be the box art for the new version. There will be new counters, new ‘3D Board’ and new campaign / missions book (16 of them). No mention of new models, and I can’t remember the model count the GW notice stated. It is a limited release.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and new tiles include 'boarding Torpedoes'.
insaniak wrote:
That doesn't work. GW's extensive market research (ie: They asked Kirby, and he said so) says that if you know about the release more than 3 minutes before handing over your cash, you'll lose interest and go google 'Pokemon' (whatever that is) or something instead.
I know that topic gets a lot board space but it's still absolutely, eye wateringly ridiculous and probably will be until the internet is but a distant memory and mankind has evolved to state of pure energy.
SoulDrinker wrote:
Agree on that one - however as a long term Space Hulk fan I'm sort of going to have to have to get one just fro the very small amount of new tiles and missions, I think many people will do the same... *snip*
I'm also a huge fan. I missed the last version (2009?) as I was out of the hobby and been for a number of years but despite my grand standing and pontificating above, there's a very good chance I'm going to get this... Siiigh. We move house in three weeks and every penny is counted for. Looks I'll be on bread sandwiches for lunch for a few weeks.
Some of those look like missions that were printed in White Dwarf for 2nd edition Space Hulk. New board sections spotted as well. Definitely got some new stuff in including what looks like the disposal chutes, Pitfall counters and air ducts. Interesting
Looks pretty much the same to me, slightly different font on the front of the box? Not got mine out the cupboard in a while. I'll pick up that WD for the extra mission though for sure!
zedmeister wrote:Some of those look like missions that were printed in White Dwarf for 2nd edition Space Hulk. New board sections spotted as well. Definitely got some new stuff in including what looks like the disposal chutes, Pitfall counters and air ducts. Interesting
Not enough for me to justify spending £75 on more or less exactly the same game but with a couple of extra cardboard bits though. I can't help thinking I'm not alone here; I guess GW hope that people who don't have SH and want it now outnumber those who bought it first time round and would have bought it again if it had some new stuff in it.
CptJake wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote: I do hope it's not a re-hash of the last edition with just a tiny tweak here and there. New shiny dollies please!
Looks like it is a re-hash with a tiny tweak here and there.
Based on the picture in the article linked above, it looks like with a PDF of the rules/missions, one could use any extra corridor tile (or even just line up his terminators) at the designated entry point.
Two new tiles - turbo-lift and a bigger 5x5 room that appears to be open to space (the back of it appears torn away) - plus two boarding torpedo tiles. Can't tell if some of the regular tile artwork is new.
Phew. By the look of it, as I already have the previous one, and this one looks nearly identical, i won't be buying it. My wallet is very pleased, mean s i can focus on my PAGK army.
I'm having one, bought 1st edition many years ago and missed the intervening rehashes whilst being 20-30.... Now I'm back doing 40k, Bloodbowl & Carwars I may as well do Space Hulk too
gorgon wrote: Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
Have you seen the price of Lego's Recently, the $100+ is not the issue.
What I don't understand is the whole "Limited Edition" thing. I was on a Budget so I did not get the Strategic Cards. Now that I have the cash there is no reason to get them. Orks, Space Wolf or Grey Knight Armies HAD them, but now there will be no more available and so I now have no reason to get the base set.
At a $125, heck are $150-$200 a pop Our local Nid Player and me would join forces to buy a box every couple of months like we did with Black Reach and the Ork Player.
By the way anyone need Red Whip Sticks and Templates, we have a drawer full.
I think it is a good idea to have reissued the game with some variant pieces and scenarios. There must be a pretty good audience for it including people who missed it in 2009, people who have the 2009 and want to expand their setup, and people who have come into Teh HHHobby since 2009 and heard great things about Space Hulk.
It would have been even better to issue the new tiles and scenarios as a cheap, separate pack for owners of the original 3rd edition who don't want a double size game setup.
Personally I have more than enough Space Hulk, having three copies of the first edition, plus Deathwing, plus the 2009 edition, so I shall pass on this one.
If you haven't got Space Hulk I do recommend it as one of the best games GW ever did.
I wish they'd do add ons I'd totally snap those up :(. On the other hand, I think people will really enjoy this. It's a great game! On a further note- I hope the new Dark Eldar codex comes out after this.
I'm wondering/hoping that, as the folks who already have it seen mostly to be passing this time, it might stick around a little longer this time. I'd really love to have a set if just for the terminators, but it seems I picked the wrong time for starting Infinity and fell victim to GWs stupid preorder method.
I love me some space hulk, but this is a little underwhelming. It's just the 2009 set with a few extra card board tiles.
I will have to pick up this week's white dwarf however.
A real shame this is limited edition again, an obvious cash grab. And I worry that GW have had to just re-use the game like this, they must of spent what, a whole afternoon adding the changes in before starting the new print run. I smell desperation in the air.
This is exactly the type of thing they need to get out there in toy shops / bookstores as a hook into the HHHobby. Come on GW get your act together.
Don't REALLY need it, as I have two copies of the original, the expansions, a 2nd edition copy, and 2 copies of the 2009 edition (minus a set of termies), BUT, it IS Space Hulk, and this game got me into the hobby back in 1990...I will likely be grabbing one up...can always use extra (and new!) tiles and stealers....and I'm sure some Blood Angels player somewhere will appreciate the marines.
Certainly a low risk cash grab to boost 2014 financials for the shareholders...but hey, they are a publicly traded corporation, it is the nature of that beast.
Now, they just need to re-release Necromunda, Warhammer Quest, and Mordheim. All of which will boost sales for their existing range of miniatures....especially the completionists with Warhammer Quest and its random monster generation tables...I have been steadily adding Warhammer figs to my collection for the original for about 15 years now...
Knew this had to happen... Too much demand for the game and the need for cash injection. Too easy!
But, they will be getting my money. I've always wanted a copy of space hulk. The price is good, too. Glad I never caved to ripoff artists, hope they have fun sitting on their spare copies if there are still hoarders.
This shouldn't be limited edition, though. This should be a bog standard product.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.
The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.
The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.
This can be a great thing. If they sell out in 24 hours the next meeting someone will bring it up at some point. Those who were not there in 2009 will question why this is not done more often.
This should result in more being put out.'
They may also question to why was this not done sooner.
When the fact that there is no "Market Research" was done, maybe they will demand some.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
Have you seen the price of Lego's Recently, the $100+ is not the issue.
What I don't understand is the whole "Limited Edition" thing. I was on a Budget so I did not get the Strategic Cards. Now that I have the cash there is no reason to get them. Orks, Space Wolf or Grey Knight Armies HAD them, but now there will be no more available and so I now have no reason to get the base set.
At a $125, heck are $150-$200 a pop Our local Nid Player and me would join forces to buy a box every couple of months like we did with Black Reach and the Ork Player.
By the way anyone need Red Whip Sticks and Templates, we have a drawer full.
Er.. thats a strange logical jump to compare sanctus reach which has standard model kits with space hulk.. Why would you split a boxset every few months? To get the *same* terminators and even more genestealers? SW and Ork boxset can be used for many other units.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
Good retail business doesn't typically revolve around short term cash grabs. Selling 1000 copies in an hour to existing customers makes a lot of money in that hour. Pissing off 2000 customers who didn't get it but wanted it and missing the opportunity to market the game to new customers as a lower cost entry to 40k doesn't sound like a great strategy in my mind
Lots of games from lots of companies are limited runs, I really do not see the problem with the limited thing here either.
As mentioned a few times by other posters, it drives up demand and you can give the punters a good milking when they are wound up for something like they are about space hulk.
As business strategies go, this is a good idea in my book, in the short term anyway.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
Have you seen the price of Lego's Recently, the $100+ is not the issue.
What I don't understand is the whole "Limited Edition" thing. I was on a Budget so I did not get the Strategic Cards. Now that I have the cash there is no reason to get them. Orks, Space Wolf or Grey Knight Armies HAD them, but now there will be no more available and so I now have no reason to get the base set.
At a $125, heck are $150-$200 a pop Our local Nid Player and me would join forces to buy a box every couple of months like we did with Black Reach and the Ork Player.
By the way anyone need Red Whip Sticks and Templates, we have a drawer full.
Er.. thats a strange logical jump to compare sanctus reach which has standard model kits with space hulk.. Why would you split a boxset every few months? To get the *same* terminators and even more genestealers? SW and Ork boxset can be used for many other units.
Well at the time Black Reach was the only way to get the Ork Choppers.
That and any Nid player who wants more Grenestealers you can never get enough.
If Sanctus Reach was available back then that would have been out choice instead of Black Reach. If Sanctus was till around we would been buying multiples of it. It is actually a good deal with the BRB.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.
The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.
Actually, there are quite a few more reasons. Cashflow, cost of warehousing. Lead time from manufacturers of separate components. All board games have limited runs. The ones that sell good are out of stock constantly. It's the ones that slowly sell that always seem to be in stock.
I for one am happy that they are releasing it again. I missed it because I was out of the hobby during the last run. I still have a bucket of old Space Crusade genestealers though...
I'll be getting a copy (if the wife will let me). The original was my first GW game and although I have the board and a few other odds and ends, the termies have about 0.25 inch of paint on them and some have been hacked apart so are pretty much unusable. My GW holiday lasted from 1995-2009 so I narrowly missed the previous edition.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
Good retail business doesn't typically revolve around short term cash grabs. Selling 1000 copies in an hour to existing customers makes a lot of money in that hour. Pissing off 2000 customers who didn't get it but wanted it and missing the opportunity to market the game to new customers as a lower cost entry to 40k doesn't sound like a great strategy in my mind
Retail revolves around selling. Whether that is periodical bursts of sales, or continuous sales, it's still all about exchanging products for cash.
GW has always depending on short term cash infusions. It's why new products come out. Warmachine is 3x as dependent on it. They don't even keep a lot of older models in print, they are so focused on new ones. Card Games are constantly putting out new releases for short term bursts. Many of the smaller miniature companies are 90% dependent on selling new products. This is why you see games like the Spartan Games line, Dropzone Commander, and Malifaux having such agressive release schedules at times.
Frankly, no one, including me, has any fething idea how they hit the numbers on this one. If they sell out in a day, then yes, they should have done more. Still a win in my book. If they have them left over a year from now, then they did too many.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
Have you seen the price of Lego's Recently, the $100+ is not the issue.
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Boy have I, whenever i think price on GW stuff i think of Lego actually, although i do feel i get better bang for the buck with Lego though, but i feel its a very valid comparison. For me $125 is pushing it and i find myself asking..well if this si the same as the last one more or less has inflation really been 25% since then...no, i think this is a price i may well still buy into it at though having missed the last one, much higher though and i'd be out.
...and i say this as a person who has been around since fantasy 3 and rogue trader and has pretty much been priced out of GW products for the last few years, i buy the current rules and i bought dark vengeance but that's it, its going to be interesting to see how quick this sells out, i.e how many more of these they really could have sold the last time, i feel it will sell well but it'll be interesting to see if it goes slower this time as those who got it on the last go around sit it out.
From what I saw from the White Dwarf and comparing to the tiles I have from the former edition, tiles from this "new one" don't seem to be of the same quality. Indeed, they don't look like to have the relief from the former and just be printed pictures from the last ones. They look "cheaper".
Funny enough, they are also closer to the first edition that way.
But if it is like this, then there would be still an interest to take the former edition from 2009.
While Space Hulk is a great game, and this release will be great for people who missed (the 3rd incarnation) in 2009, I wish GW would give their designers the chance to flex their creative muscles and actually create something genuinely new.
Jesus Christ, I was flaming that techmarine when I was in middle-school and listening to 2Unlimited, 'The Prodigy - outer space' and trying to complete Mega Man 1 on the fething NES. I must have stopped his gene-seed from falling into Genestealer hands at least 100 times over the years..
Cool, good on GW for releasing a game people actually want to play!
I have the 2009 set and I'm happy with it, so I'll leave off buying this set, but I hope they make lots of money from it and it encourages them to make more good decisions.
Pacific: On the one hand I agree with you, but on the other, they tried something "new" with Dreadfleet and it didn't work out too well, I can understand why they'd go with the surefire winner everyone wants to play anyway. It should be available all the time anyhow, but it's good that it's available now.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
Good retail business doesn't typically revolve around short term cash grabs. Selling 1000 copies in an hour to existing customers makes a lot of money in that hour. Pissing off 2000 customers who didn't get it but wanted it and missing the opportunity to market the game to new customers as a lower cost entry to 40k doesn't sound like a great strategy in my mind
Retail revolves around selling. Whether that is periodical bursts of sales, or continuous sales, it's still all about exchanging products for cash.
GW has always depending on short term cash infusions. It's why new products come out. Warmachine is 3x as dependent on it. They don't even keep a lot of older models in print, they are so focused on new ones. Card Games are constantly putting out new releases for short term bursts. Many of the smaller miniature companies are 90% dependent on selling new products. This is why you see games like the Spartan Games line, Dropzone Commander, and Malifaux having such agressive release schedules at times.
Frankly, no one, including me, has any fething idea how they hit the numbers on this one. If they sell out in a day, then yes, they should have done more. Still a win in my book. If they have them left over a year from now, then they did too many.
I still tend to think you're better off developing a product than just doing a 1 hit wonder with it. A lot of products make the most money at launch and tend to need constant fresh influxes to keep money ticking over, but I think in the case of Space Hulk they are better off keeping it on the shelves for some time, releasing a few expansions and waiting for the sales to die out before cutting production rather than just doing a single burst release that even existing customers struggle to get in on every 5 years.
But maybe they'll surprise me and you'll actually be able to get a copy if you don't preorder within the first hour of the announcement.
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.
The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.
Actually, there are quite a few more reasons. Cashflow, cost of warehousing. Lead time from manufacturers of separate components. All board games have limited runs. The ones that sell good are out of stock constantly. It's the ones that slowly sell that always seem to be in stock.
So many nested quotes...
The main difference here, is that companies like Mayfair Games, FFG, Milton Bradley, Z-man, Days of Wonder, etc, etc. actually order a re-print when a game sells out. There is obviously a bit of lag time between the re-order and the re-stock, but they print more if there is demand. GW are releasing a board game that has massive appeal to their target demographic. A game with 25 years of history, that had so much demand that the last time they printed it, it was gone within a couple of weeks. They are advertising it (with zero lead time for customers to adjust their budget to ensure they can get one) as a "Limited Run!" "Order fast while stocks last!!!" Just a quick search on eBay any time within the last 5 years shows 150% to 200+% markup in the secondary market for unopened copies of this game. They don't have a cashflow problem, not like a small boardgame company anyway, they are also pretty set on warehouse space...I would assume with their 25+ years of operations, international market presence, and massive retail store chain.
No other game companies do this. So using the standard industry model to explain it going out of stock doesn't apply here.
I wouldn't necessarily call this release desperate, it was certainly calculated and fairly low risk.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, I hazard to guess that they'd pass stocking on a $100+ board game in the first place. Especially Wal-Mart.
Have you seen the price of Lego's Recently, the $100+ is not the issue.
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Actually, if you look at Walmart you are likely to find most stores don't regularly cary the >$100 sets in any quantity, you have to order them online and pick up at the store or have them shipped directly to you. And between Lego and WalMart they have more production capability and distribution network then GW does. I suspect the price point is indeed an issue. It would cost too much to stock expensive items that don't have the sales velocity.
Sarouan wrote: From what I saw from the White Dwarf and comparing to the tiles I have from the former edition, tiles from this "new one" don't seem to be of the same quality. Indeed, they don't look like to have the relief from the former and just be printed pictures from the last ones. They look "cheaper".
Funny enough, they are also closer to the first edition that way.
But if it is like this, then there would be still an interest to take the former edition from 2009.
Hah! Well, that's a pretty cool little release, I echo the sentiment that it should be something that is consistently produced and sold outside of specialist retailers to draw more people into miniature games but all the same, it's good to see it having it's moment in the limelight once again.
If anyone is picking it up and wants to sell the Terminators, send a pm!
Hmmm... This is good for all those people who missed out on the first run, but for me... someone whose been sitting on an unopened box... waiting to sell it when the new Blood Angels codex dropped... This release isn't doing me any favors.
I suppose now I have to ask myself. Do I want to buy a 3rd Space Hulk box just to get a few new missions?
Inflation, Citizen. Company has inflated what it would like to make on the game and thus its price is higher.
Also, prepare to report to mandatory re-education center XY3. Such opening questioning of Emperor Kirby's decisions indicates possible Chaos taint or at the least low level heresy
I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.
Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.
It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.
Inflation, Citizen. Company has inflated what it would like to make on the game and thus its price is higher.
Also, prepare to report to mandatory re-education center XY3. Such opening questioning of Emperor Kirby's decisions indicates possible Chaos taint or at the least low level heresy
fullheadofhair wrote: I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.
Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.
It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.
I think it would be hilarious if the "new boarding torpedo tiles" just ended up being the initial tiles you line your squads up 5-deep on before entering the hulk, that are shown in the previews.
Whoope de-do.
It's cool that Space Hulk is coming again, but it's just a repeat of the same stupid "limited release" formula that they trucked out last time, to generate the gut-reaction purchases, when they could just release it as a normally stocked item and have it be a gateway game, like Space Crusade was for may of us old guys.
I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.
Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.
It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.
That only makes sense of you are talking about GW from 15 years ago.
No, but it was an awesome gateway game into the greater 40K universe. I know Tyranid Attack (Advanced Space Crusade) single-handedly got me into 40K instead of the competitors back in the mid-90's. I picked it up from a game store when I was 12, and it started a 20-year game hobby with GW.
Space Hulk could do that in ways that their starters like Dark Vengeance/Black Reach/etc. can not do.
It was an 'awesome gateway game' in large part due to the distribution it got, from a BIG damned company. Unless GW partners with a company that can push comparative numbers today, nothing they do is gonna be an 'awesome gateway game' at that level. They just don't have the assets to do that on their own.
No, Space Hulk would be a good gateway game because it's something you can have on the shelf in any game store next to all the GW40K product, and unlike Starter Sets, it is a complete game in a box, rather than something that immediately needs to have more purchases to make fun.
For instance, I can't imagine the forces inside Dark Vengeance giving the lasting fun that you can get from the Space Hulk box.
For those with a Space Hulk copy already...won't it be enough to just get the WD for the "WD-exclusive" scenarios and be done with it? Even then you could just leave it at that and have pretty much lost nothing from the whole experience.
Man. I really wish I had known this was coming for a few months. I missed space hulk in 2009, and have regretted it. I don't have the hobby money right now (x wing). If they are still available at christmas, I will get one... but that seems extremely unlikely.
Like many others here, I have the 2009 edition so there is no need for me to pick up a copy. I am going to get a copy of Planetfall by Spartan games with my hobby cash instead.
I am hoping though that GW will take the hint and start supporting SH again. Would love some expansions!
I was really hoping it would have new models at least for the marine side but ideally for both. I bought two copies and traded components for a third to make my BA 1st Company "Deathwing" army because at the time I was so happy that the BA were finally getting new models for the first time in years. Reissuing practically the same thing will make my army less unique but I'm more disappointed that this one doesn't offer me much of anything as a (largely former in the interim) 40k customer. I played the space hulk game and frankly wasn't impressed (just like a decade earlier when I got into 40k) so the added tiles, cards, or missions don't do anything for me. The only use I've gotten out of my tiles is as a display base for the one tourney I attended in the past 5 years.
I'm happy for folks who actually want to play the game but I suspect most of the copies will be snatched up yet again by speculators trying to make a short or long term buck. There is obviously nothing illegal or wrong about that in moderation but the last time around it was frankly ridiculous. Folks on bartertown thought they hit the jackpot and tried getting $150-200 when it sold out on the gw website despite it being available for many weeks/several months at other online stores.
In the end, though, this rehash isn't for me sadly. Oh well...
fullheadofhair wrote: I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.
Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.
It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.
Because they need something that they are pretty sure will fill the coffers before the next reporting period.
If they did a standard release - there wouldn't be a rush on the game. If they do a limited release (even if that limited might be an unspecified number like 100,000...) there will be a rush of purchases both from those who want the game to play as well as large number of speculators (though considering how easy it is to buy an unopened box of the 2009 version...they may be more reluctant this time around). If they managed to move 10,000 or so units, that would make a pretty good chunk towards added profit for what appears to be largely a rehash of the same product that is bought and paid for from 5 years ago.
Heck, wouldn't be surprised if they also had some sort of super duper collectors version with a foil box that cost twice as much (as GW is want to do).
Ehsteve wrote: For those with a Space Hulk copy already...won't it be enough to just get the WD for the "WD-exclusive" scenarios and be done with it? Even then you could just leave it at that and have pretty much lost nothing from the whole experience.
You've seen my collection of tiles, so what do you think?
I don't know..Are we sure this is a GW game? It doesn't have enough random charts, microtransactions or the ability to ally with even your hated enemies.
I'd believe this rumor if you could ally the terminators and genestealers together against an invading force of Orks and Tau (SUPPLEMENT SOLD SEPARATELY)
Ehsteve wrote: For those with a Space Hulk copy already...won't it be enough to just get the WD for the "WD-exclusive" scenarios and be done with it? Even then you could just leave it at that and have pretty much lost nothing from the whole experience.
You've seen my collection of tiles, so what do you think?
That when mightly climate change comes like Al Gore predicted it would and The Day After Tomorrow happens (super cereal) you'll have plenty of stuff to burn until Dennis Quade comes to save the day?
fullheadofhair wrote: I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.
Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.
It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.
An actual Space Crusade revival? :O
CptJake wrote:Wasn't Space Crusade a Milton Bradley/ Hasbro game, like Battle Masters?
Interestingly, GameZone, the company that are relaunching 'Heroquest 25th edition', that have rights to the name in Spain, also have rights to 'Space Crusade' apparently, and are in process of working on something for it. I think a lot depends on whether this is a 'clean' launch for Heroquest 25th, and whether the game reaches the US specifically without a legal challenge, as to whether we will see a GameZone designed Space Crusade.
Yes Space Crusade was made by MB games - I believe GW had input on some of the design of miniatures, rest was MB. Rules were written by a chap who also wrote Heroquest, an American - sadly I forget his name, within boardgaming history he is something of an enigma, disappeared into the sunset after writing those games all those years ago and was never seen again..
Got Space Hulk on the ipad now. I'm loathe to suggest that the computer game experience is better than the table top version, but it is sufficiently close to not bother buying the box set again.
Inflation, Citizen. Company has inflated what it would like to make on the game and thus its price is higher. Also, prepare to report to mandatory re-education center XY3. Such opening questioning of Emperor Kirby's decisions indicates possible Chaos taint or at the least low level heresy
Inflation is 25% in five years?
Well, assuming 4% annual inflation (which is probably too high), "fair price rise" over 5 years would be 78 -> 95 euros. So yes, 100 euros feels bit like scalping, especially as there aren't any new miniatures this time around.
OTOH, 100 euros is still better than ridiculous 200+ euros you had to pay in Ebay...
Well, if it comes to it and it's difficult to get hold of, I'll just pick up the book(s) and work out some kind of proxy for the extra templates and boards. I could potentially even build the new board sections if it came to it...
Rules were written by a chap who also wrote Heroquest, an American - sadly I forget his name, within boardgaming history he is something of an enigma, disappeared into the sunset after writing those games all those years ago and was never seen again..
I believe that he became a senior vp or something at Hasbro.
Wasn't he over in the UK and had some meetings with GW, which is where all the talk of Hasbro buying them out came from?
You understand how retail business works? I thought not.
As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.
The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.
This.
I lost count of the sheer volume of lapsed gamers that popped into my local GW (and those were the just the ones I saw) looking for a copy of Space Hulk after the news of its re-release had filtered out of wargaming circles, only to be told it was a limited run and have them walk off never to be seen again.
So now they're doing it again for a wedge of short term money and not having this as a gateway game where you can get some of that delicious nostalgia money and they'll probably stick around to expand into 40k proper.
CptJake wrote: Wasn't Space Crusade a Milton Bradley/ Hasbro game, like Battle Masters?
Not sure GW, on their own, has the manufacturing and distro of a big company like Hasbro (over 4 Billion in assets) at this point.
Exactly. Hasbro has warehousing, deep pockets, and a much larger distribution system. Their business model is different from many other game manufacturers and tied in with other large companies like Toys R US and Target.
The last edition of Space Hulk had a 1 year lead time. Probably 8 months on the reprint. At some point, you have to decide "how many do we make", and then pay the manufacturing costs, months before you start seeing sales.
Space Hulk is by far my favorite thing ever produced by GW but the way it was released last time was a joke. I had to jump through hoops just to get one copy, my local games store didn't get a single copy to sell despite pre-ordering 20 copies. I was forced to buy a copy from the GW bunker which was swimming in copies. GW created an artificial shortfall of product and it burned a lot of independent stores badly. While I'm glad I managed to get a copy it was not a pleasant experience and one I care not to try and repeat.
Add a few new tiles and same limited run status to inflate demand? I love Space Hulk but as far as I'm concerned GW can go feth themselves.
paulson games wrote: Space Hulk is by far my favorite thing ever produced by GW but the way it was released last time was a joke. I had to jump through hoops just to get one copy, my local games store didn't get a single copy to sell despite pre-ordering 20 copies. I was forced to buy a copy from the GW bunker which was swimming in copies. GW created an artificial shortfall of product and it burned a lot of independent stores badly. While I'm glad I managed to get a copy it was not a pleasant experience and one I care not to try and repeat.
Add a few new tiles and same limited run status to inflate demand? I love Space Hulk but as far as I'm concerned GW can go feth themselves.
Not sure what was up with your local store, but I know many stores that got all they wanted and had it in stock for weeks. I sold over a 100 copies of Space Hulk.
If your local store was up to date with payments to GW, and ordering direct, I can't think of any reason at all why they wouldn't get copies.
I've order 30 copies this time around, i don't expect it to sell as well as last time. But if I sell out of 30, i'll be happy.
Haven't had time to read all the way through, but looks like no dead terminator or C.A.T. In the box, or did I miss them, strange if they cut those out of the mold.
Theophony wrote: Haven't had time to read all the way through, but looks like no dead terminator or C.A.T. In the box, or did I miss them, strange if they cut those out of the mold.
On the left. Deadicus Marinicus is sitting in the space between board sections, and the CAT is in the corridor just below him.
So what is my best bet for ordering? I assume I will end up paying full price. Should I pre-order direct from GW? Or is their a online vendor someone can recommend? PM if necessary. I don't generally buy brand new GW stuff so this is forgien to me.
Word is GW is heavily limiting indie stores plus they stiffed tons of them with Nagash, given the nature if this release I would pay sticker price rather than risk having to pay 300-200% more if the indie order falls through.
TwilightSparkles wrote: Word is GW is heavily limiting indie stores plus they stiffed tons of them with Nagash, given the nature if this release I would pay sticker price rather than risk having to pay 300-200% more if the indie order falls through.
Limited for sure. We all got allocated X copies, and then each trade sales rep generally had control over some more copies and could pass them out as they wanted. The original allocation was I think based on your sales of 7th editon 40k or overall sales numbers.
This may not make some stores happy when they find out they are only getting 3 copies, or 1 copy, but is in some ways fair. I've got as much as I wanted coming in to my stores.
I wouldn't count on finding any online. Stores that sell online have to get their GW product from distributors, not from GW direct, unless they do old fashioned mail order with no shopping cart, like Neal does. Those channels will get very little of a limited product, and will get it roughly a week later.
Best bet is to talk to your local FLGS and reserve a copy.
As for Nagash, got all i wanted. Sold out, ordered and got more in. They are reprinting the book and my rep asked me how many i wanted out of that printing. So no complaints at all from me on supply and sales of Naggy.
Well, that certainly deflated the selling price on eBay. Not the listing price, mind you, but the "sold" price. Previously they were going for $250-ish (with a few outriders around $300) and now $128 is the new high.
