CoolMiniOrNot Base System Featuring Micro Art Studio by CoolMiniOrNot http://kck.st/1pm6534 via @kickstarter
Beautiful, affordable terrain bases for all your miniatures!
*Note: Bases come unpainted. Painted examples for reference only.
CoolMiniOrNot and Micro Art Studios are excited to introduce the next generation of miniature bases!
Design
Most decorative bases are designed as one piece, with terrain molded on top of a beveled game base. The CoolMiniOrNot system is actually two pieces. The first piece is a highly detailed terrain insert. The second piece is a black satin base, with a recessed center that holds the insert. This two part system creates a cohesive and beautiful base for your miniatures.
Design Benefits
Great care was taken to make sure each Micro Art Studio insert fits perfectly into the recessed base. This means you won't waste your time filing or sanding down edges, as with many metal and resin bases.
The terrain insert can be primed and painted separately from the base. You won't have to cover up any splotches or overspray on the base edges, as with one-piece bases.
Since the recessed base is molded in the black satin finish most gamers use, you won't have to paint that piece at all. Glue in your painted insert, and you're ready to play. No touching up chipped base edges after a battle!
The separate insert makes for easy casting of highly detailed terrain. This allows the design team at Micro Art Studios to let their imagination go wild, with terrain that juts off the base and creates eye-catching foundations for your miniatures.
Molded in Plastic
When CoolMiniOrNot and Micro Art teamed up to create the next generation of bases, we looked at all the possibilities and found that molding in plastic was an exciting alternative to molding in resin. Not only does the quality and versatility of the final product improve, but the cost to the end user decreases.
The insert is a firm PVC that is highly resistant to chipping or breaking like resin. PVC also eliminates air bubbles and flash from the mold.
Plastic and resin models will no longer require pinning, but can be attached easily and permanently with a small amount of superglue.
The black base is a durable polystyrene. Again, this material is resistant to chipping or breaking during normal use.
By molding our bases in plastic, CoolMiniOrNot and Micro Art Studio are giving you the most bases for the least amount of money currently offered in the miniature hobby.
Styles
At launch, we are offering four different styles of bases for our backers to choose from. Each style consists of: 1 50mm insert, 6 UNIQUE 40mm inserts, and 10 UNIQUE 30mm inserts, with the appropriate number and sizes of recessed black polystyrene bases, for a total of 17 complete bases.
1. Chaos
These molten rocks, detailed with massive chains and hooks, are perfect for your evil wizards and infernal monsters.
2. Mystic
Elvish city ruins, full of engraved runes and magical items, a great choice for the mystics in your army.
3. Trash
Post-apocalyptic...or perhaps just someone who doesn't like to clean his workshop. The trash bases are awesome for steam-inspired, mechanika, and wasteland characters.
4. Planking
Wooden flooring, overgrown with moss and lichen. Pirates and freebooters feel right at home on these weathered planks.
Pledge Levels
Pick Your Bases!
Get 1 full set (1x50mm, 6x40mm, 10x30mm) of any 1 of the introductory style bases (Chaos, Mystic, Planking, or Trash) + any applicable stretch goals we unlock during the campaign.
All The Bases!
All The Bases! - Get all 4 full sets (1x50mm, 6x40mm, 10x30mm of each) of all of the introductory style bases (Chaos, Mystic, Planking, or Trash) + any applicable stretch goals we unlock during the campaign.
Stretch Goals
As usual, we have a few stretch goals we plan to reveal after we've hit our funding goal.
Shipping information - Please take note
Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes, based on the actual costs incurred to ship to your location. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.
This is so we can be fair to all our backers, as shipping is rarely one size fits all. This also gives you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.
We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship to you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), Canada (Canadian backers), Australia (Australia backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). Since this campaign is only for plastic bases, we expect shipping to be cheaper then our other campaigns. Here are our rough shipping estimates to locations around the world:
$8 to ship in the USA, about $15-$20 in the EU (due to VAT), $8 to Hong Kong, and $10 - $15 Australia, thanks to a new shipping partner, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we may unlock and your carrier choices.
FAQ
Q: If I choose the All the Bases Pledge Level, am I locked into the four introductory sets, or can I choose whatever sets I want? 4 Chaos sets, for example?
A: YES, you may freely mix and match sets as you want. This was changed during our campaign due to player request
Dais wrote: Micro art bases always looked wonderful but I vow to never back another CMON project. I'll stick with the solid resin pieces already on the market.
These should make decent game markers:
* Chaos: Devastation markers for Cthulhu Wars.
* Mystic: Gate tokens for Arkham Horror, Eldritch Horror, and Cthulhu Wars.
* Trash: Debris tokens for Zombicide
Sining wrote: PVC for the base inserts. Joy, I can look forward to filing/scraping many intricate inserts with shallow details -_-
The Sedition Wars bases were, IMO, pretty fantastic.
The Relic Knights base inserts (in PVC) were definitely fantastic.
I wouldn't be so certain these won't be pretty great as well.
Plus, with the very basics of how a base would be cast, theres probably not even going to be any seams on them at all. I sincerely doubt they'll be traditional two part moulds.
The base system is nifty and a cool, simple idea well executed!
But I am baffled by all the people pledging for "all the bases" as it's listed as needing to get 1 set in each style. With each set coming with only a single 50mm, six 40mm, and ten 30mm, it's not nearly enough to do even a single playable warmahordes list. If you could get "all the bases" as a single style, you might start to get closer to a usable amount (four 50mm bases are easily used in most lists for heavy jacks/beasts). But you can't select a single style, you have to get one set of each!
So, again, I'm just baffled that that many people have chosen that pledge level. Anyone else have thoughts here, am I missing something? As I typed this, the last 20 early birds sold out, but I still don't see the logic.
Edit- Ah, they've clarified / ammended that in the comments now:
CMON wrote:At the All the Bases level, you can select whichever four sets you want. So if you want four sets of Chaos bases, you can select that.
Yeah, I'll be getting two sets, the Planks and the Mystic, for now.
I may get some trash ones for my Dark Age stuff, but i'm not quite sure yet.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, if anyone wants to tell me how I get all the photos and crap from the KS in here easily, let me know and I'll do it.
Now that they've clarified that about the main pledge level, this looks much cooler! I would've been sorely tempted if I wasn't already in big on another Kickstarter this month, and hadn't already sourced bases for my warmarhordes army (not to mention that these won't be available till at least February, so you wouldn't want them for a current project).
But I'm quite a big fan of this- simple, awesome, and will be a great product to be able to purchase in the future after this campaign makes them available (by funding the tooling, etc) . Might even say this is the kind of thing Kickstarter was made for not to go too far down that rabbit hole, and as you know I'm no CMON-fanboy. But a good campaign is a good campaign, and this is something a lot of warmahordes players will absolutely adore!
PVC plastic is just fine for bases, though! Many bases are already made from it, afaik.
Cincy, if you quote Cyporiean's post above and then just remove the quote tags, you'll have all the pictures for the OP (and then hopefully it's clear how to do it- you just right click on an image, choose "copy image url", then put it in between image tags to post on the forum).
Such as:
(img)http://www.theurloftheimage.com(/img)
Just using square brackets instead of parentheses.
Edit: Yes, you have to copy the text. Honestly, I don't understand how people do so much of it! I figure people can click on the link, so just copying over a few good summary images should work
Looks like roughly half off their retail for the resin bases. Roughly on par with buying Secret Weapon bases from an online discount retailer. Their bases in the Wrath of kings were a much better buy (50 cents each for 30/40/50mm), so I'm glad I got a ton of those coming lol.
It was smart to go with their more intricate styles first, as those are less easily duplicated by cheap competition (dirt/rock bases are common and less expensive). I may add a trash base pledge. Will definitely watch.
Hi there, backers! The photos on the home page of painted bases are all of resin casts. From some samples I have seen (not of these exact bases), I expect the PVC versions to be virtually indistinguishable from the masters when primed and painted.
A wide variety of terrain styles is planned for stretch goals. If we hit all of them, there will be at least one style appropriate for every faction/race of all the miniature games I can think of. :-)
--Jen Haley
What's this about troglodyte bases? I see no such thing.
I figure those plank ones are perfect for Rum & Bones, whenever they decide to roll that out (which might be pretty soon, considering the length of this one).
I'll get at least a set of planks, and probably the mystic ones as well.
I think the plank bases are awesome, too . And that first stretch goal adds a lot of 30mm bases, although those are the ones where there are already too many, imo! The 50mm really needs some love, and hopefully a few more 40mm.
Wehrkind already cast me up the bases I need, but this really is the perfect product for warmachine, imo. Sent it to the local group to keep an eye out for next year (although most of them aren't into backing Kickstarters, for various reasons).
Going by the depth of the inset, the bases have flat bottoms, rather than inset bottoms like other plastic bases. Which is the one big thing that has stopped me from buying resin bases from, well, anyone to date. Flat bottom bases are a pain to stand on anything other than flat terrain.
That, and while the occasional piece of detail protruding over the edge is fine for effect, having every base with the top detail hanging off the edge just looks messy.
Lovely detailing, and some super paintjobs, though.
While they look nice, they are overall just way too busy for me. They look like something which someone has gone "Hey, how much random stuff can I chuck on a base?" rather than anything natural.
Sining wrote: That and the fact CMON charges ridiculous shipping rates for anywhere non USA or EU
Yep! That's it!
That and New Wave/CMON still owes me product from years ago. But I agree about the flat bottom of the bases . I talked to the guy from champindustries over a year ago and he was thinking of doing a kickstarter to expand his line, hope he just woke up to see this.
Fenriswulf wrote: While they look nice, they are overall just way too busy for me. They look like something which someone has gone "Hey, how much random stuff can I chuck on a base?" rather than anything natural.
This is what I think too. The Chaos bases look like they might actually be hard to base a mini on. Dragon Forge Design are going to run a Kickstarter later this month or early October, I'm holding out for that; their bases are perfect in my mind.
Against my better judgement, I'm in. I'm not thrilled about PVC but it's certainly better than metal or solid resin bases. Hopefully a successful KS will allow them to move more designs into production.
So, anyone interested in trading? I've no use for thoes "chaos" bases. The planks would be amazing for Malifaux's goblins but I don't play that faction.
I like that they are doing this - plastic decorative bases seems to be something that should be available by now. However, I'd like to see a number of more subdued versions expanding each group. I wouldn't want every 10th model in my army standing on the same giant skull.
I'm after some more microart bases for my WFB gobbos ( so I need tons), not interested on those themes and neither that they are circular bases… Total miss.
Besides waiting until feb seems harsh, I would rather wait a bit more and grab them personally on the microart stand at salute's.
Sining wrote: PVC for the base inserts. Joy, I can look forward to filing/scraping many intricate inserts with shallow details -_-
The Sedition Wars bases were, IMO, pretty fantastic.
The Relic Knights base inserts (in PVC) were definitely fantastic.
I wouldn't be so certain these won't be pretty great as well.
Plus, with the very basics of how a base would be cast, theres probably not even going to be any seams on them at all. I sincerely doubt they'll be traditional two part moulds.
I actually wouldn't worry about the material when it comes to bases. The bases were the best thing in Sedition Wars. Yes they were no where near as crisp as the resin counter part, but they were still excellent and would compliment any tabletop gaming miniature. Unless you were painting something for a painting competition I would recommend the the PVC version. Cheaper, durable lighter. And I don't remember doing any prep work on them wither than priming.
Take it from a guy who hates the PVC miniatures.
I think this is one of the places where PVC belongs in our hobby. Bases, terrain and board game pieces.
Piston Honda wrote: Didn't CMON get burned a bit from the first Zombicide KS for not calculating VAT and shipping properly?
Both my season 1 shipments did not get pinged by customs, despite listing the pledge amounts on both boxes. Unless they accepted all responsibility for VAT and whatnot instead of us.
I really only use "gw-style" round bases, and dont play WMH, so these probably won't work for me. Would be good if they were "base toppers" perhaps. A lot of them are over-busy IMO for figure bases, but would work amazingly as objective markers, etc. Great fun watching Cincy play whack-a-mole with other posters here though!
Azazelx wrote: I really only use "gw-style" round bases, and dont play WMH, so these probably won't work for me. Would be good if they were "base toppers" perhaps. A lot of them are over-busy IMO for figure bases, but would work amazingly as objective markers, etc. Great fun watching Cincy play whack-a-mole with other posters here though!
Agreed, its actually quite fun to watch the people show up, just insult it and then he comes in and rebuts them. I like the idea and may pledge later on when more new styles are released as I cannot really use and of the current styles they are presenting. I honestly feel like I will use these more for objectives then anything else but that being said I am always down for some really really cool objective markers!
In most cases they should be acceptable sitting on to of a GW base. Some patterns will stick out too far but given what I see people do in the P&M forums, I don't think it will be that much of an issue.
Azazelx wrote: I really only use "gw-style" round bases, and dont play WMH, so these probably won't work for me. Would be good if they were "base toppers" perhaps. A lot of them are over-busy IMO for figure bases, but would work amazingly as objective markers, etc. Great fun watching Cincy play whack-a-mole with other posters here though!
Agreed, its actually quite fun to watch the people show up, just insult it and then he comes in and rebuts them. I like the idea and may pledge later on when more new styles are released as I cannot really use and of the current styles they are presenting. I honestly feel like I will use these more for objectives then anything else but that being said I am always down for some really really cool objective markers!
Azazelx wrote: I really only use "gw-style" round bases, and dont play WMH, so these probably won't work for me. Would be good if they were "base toppers" perhaps. A lot of them are over-busy IMO for figure bases, but would work amazingly as objective markers, etc. Great fun watching Cincy play whack-a-mole with other posters here though!
Agreed, its actually quite fun to watch the people show up, just insult it and then he comes in and rebuts them. I like the idea and may pledge later on when more new styles are released as I cannot really use and of the current styles they are presenting. I honestly feel like I will use these more for objectives then anything else but that being said I am always down for some really really cool objective markers!
Because "glad to hear" and "appreciate your input" are such feverent rubuttals, right?
The ones I'm responding to are worthless troll comments that have no relevance to the thread and are here by a group of "usually" purely to troll and antagonize.
Kill'em with kindness and a smile. (I mean that as a positive thing, not mockery)
If I'm doing the math right (and I fully admit I might not be) then the basic set without stretch goals would cost 28.9 euros if you bought them in resin today. Given that the pledge for this is 22 euros, that seems to be at least a modest savings for the buyer. Still pretty expensive given that you're buying bases.
The two stretch goals have added 12.3 euros to the value of the basic set. Multiply that by four for the large pledge and you're getting an even better value, if only by the extra "free" bases from the stretch goals.
So, does my math look right? Average price is currently somewhere around 75-80 cents per base.
Breotan wrote: In most cases they should be acceptable sitting on to of a GW base. Some patterns will stick out too far but given what I see people do in the P&M forums, I don't think it will be that much of an issue.
I think the main issue on regular non-lipped bases would be the section that's designed to "drop in" to the recessed WMH-style bases. It'd raise these up quite a bit.
Because "glad to hear" and "appreciate your input" are such feverent rubuttals, right?
The ones I'm responding to are worthless troll comments that have no relevance to the thread and are here by a group of "usually" purely to troll and antagonize.
Uh.... I wasn't actually having a go at you there, you realise?
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Breotan wrote: If I'm doing the math right (and I fully admit I might not be) then the basic set without stretch goals would cost 28.9 euros if you bought them in resin today. Given that the pledge for this is 22 euros, that seems to be at least a modest savings for the buyer. Still pretty expensive given that you're buying bases.
The two stretch goals have added 12.3 euros to the value of the basic set. Multiply that by four for the large pledge and you're getting an even better value, if only by the extra "free" bases from the stretch goals.
So, does my math look right? Average price is currently somewhere around 75-80 cents per base.
It might increase in value as it goes on to be more worthwhile for people with stretch goals? Shipping would be an issue though - while these are nice, they're not super cheap compared to RRP, and there are a lot of places where the shipping would be less of an issue (or free).
Yea, shipping sucks but then it sucked before with the all resin bases. I suppose there's also customs and duty to be concerned with, as well. Even with all this, I do think Micro Art is moving in the right direction with their product.
If it helps, the top of a 25mm bevelled base is the same size as the top of a 30mm rounded base. If there's an issue it will be the height of the insert, not the diameter.
Just to head off any off-topic replies: this thread is for discussing the Micro Arts Studio / CMON campaign, not the general history / etc of either company. A comment along those lines is fine, but let's stick to the topic of this campaign, please. This includes replies defending CMON's rep, as well as those criticizing it... thanks.
If it helps, the top of a 25mm bevelled base is the same size as the top of a 30mm rounded base. If there's an issue it will be the height of the insert, not the diameter.
Yeah, I wish there would be some more beveled edge stuff myself, but as far as I know all of CMoN's miniature games use the lipped bases (Sedition Wars notwithstanding).
I'd pay good money for some more plastic beveled bases that would work for Infinity.
yeah,
My past experiences of CMoN have been terrible, when I challenged their selling of Zombicide prior to KS fulfillment they resorted to name calling / mockery.
It will take an amazing product to get me to go anywhere near them in the future.
Resitic base recasts isn't that product.
RiTides wrote: Just to head off any off-topic replies: this thread is for discussing the Micro Arts Studio / CMON campaign, not the general history / etc of either company. A comment along those lines is fine, but let's stick to the topic of this campaign, please. This includes replies defending CMON's rep, as well as those criticizing it... thanks.
I hope these red warning appear in GW threads too.
As it appears MODs will protect the integrity of other companies threads from negativity, but you can say what you want about GW and MODs turn a blind eye.
Anyways...
CMoN = Yukky
IMO people should only Pre-order via CMoN if they like exceptionally long delays and terrible condescending customer service.
Panic, I'm no CMON fan (or the other companies you're referring to, for that matter!). You've said your piece and I haven't edited either of your above posts.
However, at this point, any further posts like that will be considered off-topic and edited / deleted, for the reasons I posted above (i.e. folks who disagree will reply, and any discussion of This campaign will be drowned out).
If you have a problem with posts in another thread, please hit the yellow triangle on them, or PM me or any other moderator, and we'll try our very best to deal with them. Thanks
gilljoy wrote: Just Re-watched the video and is it just me or are these bases that I've circled different than the 4 sets they've shown so far?
I think you're right! Good eye, I actually quite like those. Seeing some more subdued ones / themes where every base doesn't have overhanging features (as insaniak said) would be awesome. I think I like these or the plank bases best so far (and they're also the simplest).
I'm in for the Mystic bases for now [we'll see if the deal sweetens]
Though admittedly I would like more than just Mystic bases...was hoping the next stretch goal would be something other than more bases for the type we pledged for
i find these new, deeper, bases very disappointing...
i use a lot of the Dark-Age resin inserts for my beveled bases because it is easy to trim the thin edges to fit...
i love the themes of Micro Art bases, like the Mystic and Planks, but can't see myself buying any of these thick inserts at all:(...
now if i started getting Warmachine commissions, instead of being hired to paint Space Marines all the time, that could change...
since we get one free one: i love CMON...
they have done right by me for ten years, and led the way in bringing a lot of European manufacturers' products to one easy location for me to get my hands on, not to mention doing some great LE minis...
Something that just occurred to me: given how much some restic casts shrink, there's no guarantee that these inserts are actually going to fit in the bases. They may be too small, or CMoN might overcompensate and they'll be too big.
jah-joshua wrote: i find these new, deeper, bases very disappointing...
i use a lot of the Dark-Age resin inserts for my beveled bases because it is easy to trim the thin edges to fit...
i love the themes of Micro Art bases, like the Mystic and Planks, but can't see myself buying any of these thick inserts at all:(...
Yeah, It seems like both CMoN, Soda Pop/Ninja Division, and Outlaw (Battlefoam), the three companies presently DOING plastic base inserts, have all opted for a more proprietary approach. It's a litte frustrating because, like you say Jah, you can't easily use them as toppers. Now, the Relic Knights inserts for the 30mms actually work as toppers, but sadly none of the other sizes to. Additionally, the Wild West Exodus inserts don't really work as toppers, either.
I'm still hoping someone will eventually do some plastic inserts that fit into a plastic display base...essentially taking a single moulded terrain piece, "punching out" the bases, and then making it so you could use it as your little portable display.
I'd be allllllll over that like stink on gak.
and
Based on the text it looks like the $50K goal is going to be a new base set. Sweet.
We hit these goals and all backers will be receiving the following:
20x 30mm Bases
12x 40mm Bases
2x 50mm Bases
That is a total of Thirty-Four (34!) bases for each set pledged more. Meaning those who picked up All The Bases will be getting a staggering One Hundred and Thirty Six (136!!!) for their pledge!
Of course, this isn't the end of things, dear Backers... We wanted to ramp up the numbers for you before we moved on to other goals... There is so much more in store for you
cincydooley wrote: Yeah, It seems like both CMoN, Soda Pop/Ninja Division, and Outlaw (Battlefoam), the three companies presently DOING plastic base inserts,
Could you post links? I'd like to look more into these. I found a few hits, but am not sure if I found everything I should know about these plastic bases by these different companies. Thanks!
Still waiting for more bases and fifty-cents per base. Bucket-o-miniatures guy here.
EDIT: CMON's asking for which new bases backers would like to see. Comment now!
They have a 'ridge' at the bottom so they fit in the WWX bases.
Here's a photo of the Relic Knights ones:
The problem with the RK ones is that the insides of their purple bases are not the same size as say, a Warmachine or Dark Age 30mm rounded base. They literally only fit in their proprietary purple bases.
These look very cool, especially for Warmahordes. Although I seriously doubt their assertion that models won't need to be pinned. The only way that would be true is if both model and base were polystyrene and using polystyrene cement.
@Alpha: With more of the same, CMON/MAS doesn't have to pay for new molds. It's all pretty much profit. I did ask for another MAS base KS afterwards, no reason not to have one. Wouldn't be surprised if we're actually funding for another set of bases. You don't need 5K of additional funding to make five more bases from existing molds!
CMoN wrote:We hit these goals and all backers will be receiving the following:
20x 30mm Bases 12x 40mm Bases 2x 50mm Bases
So, assuming we hit the $45,000 mark here's what we're looking at regarding pledge value versus current retail prices based on today's conversion rate of $1.28 per €1.
Unless my calculations are waaaay off this looks like an amazing value (close to 75% off) even with the heinous shipping charges we'll be hit with when they deliver.
I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?
Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!
RiTides wrote: I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?
Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!
From the main page, under Shipping Information:
Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes, based on the actual costs incurred to ship to your location. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.
This is so we can be fair to all our backers, as shipping is rarely one size fits all. This also gives you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.
We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship to you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), Canada (Canadian backers), Australia (Australia backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). Since this campaign is only for plastic bases, we expect shipping to be cheaper then our other campaigns. Here are our rough shipping estimates to locations around the world:
$8 to ship in the USA, about $15-$20 in the EU (due to VAT), $8 to Hong Kong, and $10 - $15 Australia, thanks to a new shipping partner, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we may unlock and your carrier choices.
Being PVC it should be fairly easy to trim down the "insert" part of the base so they sit properly on top of regular GW style bases.
To be honest, I'm supporting this more for MAS to convert all their bases over, including bike and large ovals to PVC. It isn't a perfect solution but it's a lot better to work with than the resin they currently use.
Edit: Just read Mr. Black's post. I guess shipping isn't the burden I was expecting it to be. Woot!
RiTides wrote: I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?
Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!
From the main page, under Shipping Information:
Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes, based on the actual costs incurred to ship to your location. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.
This is so we can be fair to all our backers, as shipping is rarely one size fits all. This also gives you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.
We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship to you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), Canada (Canadian backers), Australia (Australia backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). Since this campaign is only for plastic bases, we expect shipping to be cheaper then our other campaigns. Here are our rough shipping estimates to locations around the world:
$8 to ship in the USA, about $15-$20 in the EU (due to VAT), $8 to Hong Kong, and $10 - $15 Australia, thanks to a new shipping partner, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we may unlock and your carrier choices.
I don't believe they're using China for ALL APAC backers. If they are, there's really no reason for my Z3 basic pledge to cost 100usd in shipping from China to Singapore.
Gah, I wish they had some more sensible looking bases. Some like the PDC ones would be awesome, shame they don't sell them anymore.
Hopefully CMON's success with this ks will encourage some other base companies to try their hand in plastic bases. The ones in this project are no use for me as they are too cluttered and not 40K'ish enough.
I liked the Mystic Bases so I'm backing this project. If they unlock some other patterns I desire I may back even more.
The one thing I do not like is...
Honestly bases aren't rocket science and to go and remake them.....pure douchebaggery. You could have just made them toppers.
So this thing closes in two weeks. So barring production, shipping, and customs delays what date is this KS looking to deliver its product to the people by?
Hmm, I may have to get in on this one. Thirty bucks (rough guess of the total including shipping) for 34 bases isn't bad. There does seem to be lots of potential here for warped base inserts that don't lie flat, and delays of 6 months are about the norm, so I will have to think about it some more.
The bottom black bits are polystyrene (like other companies hard plastic bases) so are no more likely to warp than them
the toppers are decently thick so shouldn't really warp either, and even if you do you've got enough 'depth' in the lower bit to avoid problems
I actually suspect warping may be another reason (in addition to ooh exclusive design) why these have got their own design of deep bases to drop them in to, if done thin enough to look good as toppers they may well have had problems
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The bottom black bits are polystyrene (like other companies hard plastic bases) so are no more likely to warp than them
the toppers are decently thick so shouldn't really warp either, and even if you do you've got enough 'depth' in the lower bit to avoid problems
I actually suspect warping may be another reason (in addition to ooh exclusive design) why these have got their own design of deep bases to drop them in to, if done thin enough to look good as toppers they may well have had problems
As I said above, I'm only worried about the base inserts warping. Even if there is depth to hide some warping problems, it makes it difficult to glue down to the actual base. You are right that they may be thick enough to avoid too much warping.
If I assume a realistic June 2015 for shipping, then combined with the problems mentioned, I'm not sure this is worth pledging for yet rather than just waiting for retail with discount.
I'm still waiting for the bases to go for $.50 apiece. But I'm having a tough time finding any textured bases for a low price, other than FRPGames' Clearance section.
I do think, unlike miniatures, bases and terrain will become more of a commodity. Reaper already posted new pics of their non-textured plastic bases. There's also no reason why CMON and MAS can't run another KS and offer bases for the 25mm gamers.As I understand it, boardgamers (eg. Descent, Shadows of Brimstone) use 1" squares, and thus 25mm bases.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So here's an insert without the base. If you don't mind touching the insert (eg. tabletop paint job), you've just freed up a base.
I liked the Mystic Bases so I'm backing this project. If they unlock some other patterns I desire I may back even more.
The one thing I do not like is...
Honestly bases aren't rocket science and to go and remake them.....pure douchebaggery. You could have just made them toppers.
So this thing closes in two weeks. So barring production, shipping, and customs delays what date is this KS looking to deliver its product to the people by?
those deep dishes are great for making swamp, lava or shore scenics.
Automatically Appended Next Post: they seems like they will fit rather well on 25mm (as far as diameter goes). Any issues with height can be fixed with a band saw or a steady hand with a hobby saw.
At 45K, this KS will have $12.16 in lipped bases per set:
20x 30mm Bases = 20x $.23 = $4.80
12x 40mm Bases = 12x $.48 = $5.76
2x 50mm Bases = 2x .80 = $1.60
$80 pledge plus $8 shipping comes to $22 per set, or $10 for the inserts:
59% 30mm bases * $10 = $6 for 20x 30mm inserts or $.30 per insert
35% 40mm bases * $10 = $3.50 for 12x 40mm inserts or $ .30 per insert
6% 50mm bases * $10 = $.60 for the 2x 50mm inserts or .30 per insert
I *think* that's how the math works. Gah. Word problems.
EDIT: No, wait. It doesn't. I didn't include FRPGame's shipping. STILL A BARGAIN.
I've avoided them in resin as it looks like you'd need to hack them up to get a mini's feet to fit (but in cheap PVC no I've no problem cutting them up)
Breotan wrote: Being PVC it should be fairly easy to trim down the "insert" part of the base so they sit properly on top of regular GW style bases.
Not if you want a perfectly flat surface to sit on top of a regular GW base... It would require a gakload of cutting followed by an equal amount of sanding.
Jungle bases look nice, but I fail to see where you would position the actual mini. Looks like it would have to be standing on the leaves, which would look weird.
I'm down for either Jungle or Graveyard. I'm equally fearful at the prospect of scraping PVC mold lines off of either
Alex C wrote: Jungle bases look nice, but I fail to see where you would position the actual mini. Looks like it would have to be standing on the leaves, which would look weird.
Good point. Jungle isn't really a good base for much of 40KIMO (big flat footed models....Damn you GW!!). My Malifaux minis could get away using the jungle bases, but I don't think there are any jungles in Malifaux!!
Tech aa the way. Easy to mount figs on and can be used by nearly all scoff armies. Gy not so good outside fantasy or hordes. Just don't like look of derelict. Jungle will take work to not look silly or your figs to not look like amputees.
So, the inserts will fit on 40k bases. And I must disagree with you, Azazelx. Cutting down the inserts won't be much of a hassle at all unless you're the sort who loathes assembling models and prefers playing or painting. For me, it's two or three minutes of work at most.
For those of you who love textured bases, there is no reason at all for you to sit on the sidelines.
Alpharius wrote: Still shocked that Graceyard is (was?) winning the vote- especially over Tech!
It's a CMON KS, and with Zombicide 3 pulling in $2.8M, I'm not surprised. Sedition Wars boardgames on clearance have 50 sf bases and 50 mini's for under $40.
Hmm. Maybe the Sedition Wars backers aren't exactly backing this project...
Alpharius wrote: Still shocked that Graceyard is (was?) winning the vote- especially over Tech!
It's a CMON KS, and with Zombicide 3 pulling in $2.8M, I'm not surprised. Sedition Wars boardgames on clearance have 50 sf bases and 50 mini's for under $40.
Hmm. Maybe the Sedition Wars backers aren't exactly backing this project...
I don't think there are a whole lot of sedition wars backers left.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I've suddenly become interested in this KS after not wanting anything to do with. Especially with those jungle and tech bases. Everything else... meh.
They're already making a different set of graveyard bases for WoK. If Tech wins that may get me to pledge, since those Space Hulk models deserve real bases. The bulk of the Sedition Wars bases are to small to be used for any other games.
Alpharius wrote: Still shocked that Graceyard is (was?) winning the vote- especially over Tech!
Its because derelict and tech are splitting the sci fi vote. Any generic fantasy vote is likely going to graveyard. I said on the comments section, but a weak win here (which graveyard would be, with just a couple of votes over tech alone) will stall the project. Probably lots of 40k players would jump in on tech/derelict, which would unlock other stretch goals faster.
lol looks like my normal base set up. I normally glue a 3mm base to the bottom of all mine, to add extra edge for my clumsy fingers to pick it up by. Granted, I dont play any games with TLOS, so it doesn't matter if someone's hat feather is a mm over cover.
I'm still waiting for the bases to go for $.50 apiece. But I'm having a tough time finding any textured bases for a low price, other than FRPGames' Clearance section.
I use this place for basic textured bases. $5.50 for 10 25 or 30mm, 5 40mm or 3 50mm.
MightyGodzilla wrote: I'm down for either Jungle or Graveyard. I'm equally fearful at the prospect of scraping PVC mold lines off of either
From where?
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding by some on how exactly these would be moulded and poured, or how mould lines actually occur....
Look dude I don't pretend to be an expert on base making AND I've already pledged my support to the Kickstart because I've gotten product from MAS before and I like it. My trepidation with any PVC based miniature comes from the last CMON Kictstart I was a part of. Mold lines on PVC models are way more of a hassle (than PS plastic) and that's all I said.
MightyGodzilla wrote: Look dude I don't pretend to be an expert on base making AND I've already pledged my support to the Kickstart because I've gotten product from MAS before and I like it. My trepidation with any PVC based miniature comes from the last CMON Kictstart I was a part of. Mold lines on PVC models are way more of a hassle (than PS plastic) and that's all I said.
I think the misunderstanding is that these would be a 1 piece mold, not 2 piece therefore there are no mold lines. At the very least if there are 'issues' they would be at the bottom of the insert, that is unseen and inserted or glued to the actual base.
If they unlock the graveyard or jungle bases I'm in. I'm convinced the best route for sci-fi bases is nice terrain coupled with clear bases. If you want to use these for 40K or something, it looks like you could just use the insert as the base (provided there isn't too much warping).
RiTides wrote: I might be out of the loop, but I've never heard of a 1 piece mold. I can't even envision how such a thing would be possible!
It's late and I'm not completely cognitive. Essentially it is one piece, not two. That is the basic idea behind one piece molds, the top pour area is the bottom and there isn't a second piece. I know it would be two because of the medium they are using, but the parting point would be underneath or the lower base insert part, essentially making no visible mold lines (if there were any). So it can't be compared to a miniature, in terms of mold lines as all the parts are visible so they are easy to see unlike the bases.
They never said how these were to be made. If it's injection molded, then it must be at least a two piece mold. If poured like resin then one piece molds are most likely.
So, the inserts will fit on 40k bases. And I must disagree with you, Azazelx. Cutting down the inserts won't be much of a hassle at all unless you're the sort who loathes assembling models and prefers playing or painting. For me, it's two or three minutes of work at most.
So how exactly are you planning to consistently cut an even 2-3mm properly-flat circle off the bottom of those - especially without damaging the rest of the scenic base? Restic isn't butter, after all. I certainly don't "loathe" assembling models, but it looks like a lot more hassle than it's worth.
don't know how other people will do it, but I will just set up the band saw fence a few mm away from the blade and just cut it.
the other option is making a jig out of a pvc pipe a jerry-rigging it to sort of act like a miter box sawm pop it in and saw with a thin kerf hobby saw.
So, the inserts will fit on 40k bases. And I must disagree with you, Azazelx. Cutting down the inserts won't be much of a hassle at all unless you're the sort who loathes assembling models and prefers playing or painting. For me, it's two or three minutes of work at most.
So how exactly are you planning to consistently cut an even 2-3mm properly-flat circle off the bottom of those - especially without damaging the rest of the scenic base? Restic isn't butter, after all. I certainly don't "loathe" assembling models, but it looks like a lot more hassle than it's worth.
Two simple tools.
Coarse sandpaper over a wood block can also work in place of the large wood file but the file is faster. Use standard modelling files to finish as needed.
MightyGodzilla wrote: I'm down for either Jungle or Graveyard. I'm equally fearful at the prospect of scraping PVC mold lines off of either
From where?
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding by some on how exactly these would be moulded and poured, or how mould lines actually occur....
Look dude I don't pretend to be an expert on base making AND I've already pledged my support to the Kickstart because I've gotten product from MAS before and I like it. My trepidation with any PVC based miniature comes from the last CMON Kictstart I was a part of. Mold lines on PVC models are way more of a hassle (than PS plastic) and that's all I said.
I apologize if that came off as antagonistic; it certainly wasn't intended. I into ally had the phrase "ignorant of the moulding" process in my reply but lots of folks find the word "ignorant" offensive even though it wouldn't have been my goal.
Basically there shouldn't be much, if any, reason for there to be any mould lines on these at all, based on how they should be cast (either by a traditional one side pour or a stamping method).
Dark Severance wrote: It's late and I'm not completely cognitive. Essentially it is one piece, not two. That is the basic idea behind one piece molds, the top pour area is the bottom and there isn't a second piece. I know it would be two because of the medium they are using, but the parting point would be underneath or the lower base insert part, essentially making no visible mold lines (if there were any). So it can't be compared to a miniature, in terms of mold lines as all the parts are visible so they are easy to see unlike the bases.
Ah, I see what you guys are talking about (never heard it referred to as a "one piece mold" before).
But PVC parts, as Dark Severance says, are definitely NOT made via the "pour dental plaster or similar medium into flexible ice cube trays" method. They are made using injection molding with a traditional metal two-piece (or more) mold.
I disagree that the mold lines would necessarily be invisible here- there are a lot of overhang on the chaos-like bases, for instance, and each of those undersides will be where the bottom half of the mold is, with a parting line somewhere along the edge. It might not be a problem (in fact, I don't expect it to be, and think these parts lend themselves very well to injection molding in PVC). But, it's still very possible that the parting line where the mold halves come together will be visible on the edge of those features.
cincydooley wrote: Basically there shouldn't be much, if any, reason for there to be any mould lines on these at all, based on how they should be cast (either by a traditional one side pour or a stamping method).
I think we simul-posted, but again my knowledge of these things (which isn't necessarily vast, but I am a mechanical engineer, and if it's what I'm thinking of, it's pretty clear) is that the vast majority of PVC parts made for the wargaming industry are injection molded. This requires a two-part mold with a parting line. On something like bases, this parting line is usually not very evident, and I don't think it will be on these. I'm just pointing out that all those overhanging features do require a parting line along the edge somewhere, with the upper half of the mold above them and the lower half (of course ) below them to form their underside.
ced1106 wrote: Anyway, Tech bases won by two votes. 45K SG unlocked!
Nice! I have these in resin for my Infinity models, and they are awesome!!
Exactly. These moulds should effectively look like a stamp would and thus any "run off," which causes the mould lines, wouldn't be near the detailed "scenic" portions.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is all pure speculation, of course, on my part, but I really think mould lines here will be a non issue.
They were on the sedition wars ones, so I imagine it'll be the same.
They were on the sedition wars ones, so I imagine it'll be the same.
For what it's worth, I agree. The Sedition Wars bases have been highly praised everywhere I've seen them mentioned. I have the terrain and that came out great, too.
Some of these MAS bases do have larger overhangs and thus it's possible the mold lines could be more visible on the edges of those, but I doubt it. For the price, it's going to be fantastic, and more robust than their resin counterparts, too.
It's more the design that concerns me- I don't think I'd want quite as elaborate of bases, but the tech bases and plank ones look great and are simpler. I'm not sure about cutting up PVC bases as I've never done it, but it can't be that much harder to pin to than the same bases in resin. So, overall I think these will be fantastic! Just wanted to share some thoughts on the process, as far as I know of it
So, the inserts will fit on 40k bases. And I must disagree with you, Azazelx. Cutting down the inserts won't be much of a hassle at all unless you're the sort who loathes assembling models and prefers playing or painting. For me, it's two or three minutes of work at most.
So how exactly are you planning to consistently cut an even 2-3mm properly-flat circle off the bottom of those - especially without damaging the rest of the scenic base? Restic isn't butter, after all. I certainly don't "loathe" assembling models, but it looks like a lot more hassle than it's worth.
Two simple tools.
Coarse sandpaper over a wood block can also work in place of the large wood file but the file is faster. Use standard modelling files to finish as needed.
Personally, I don't see why they didn't make base toppers without that wasted material which goes inside a lip. Then they can fit ON TOP of any base not ONLY INSIDE a specific base.
Honestly, the price for these is not significantly cheaper than resins on the market, so I would probably just buy the 40k versions in resin than buy this KS and wait months, then sand the bottoms off all with a questionable material.
Honestly, the price for these is not significantly cheaper than resins on the market, so I would probably just buy the 40k versions in resin than buy this KS and wait months, then sand the bottoms off all with a questionable material.
My math may be off a bit but following your link and pricing out something similar, Tau Ceti as examples, if all I got was 30mm bases, it is $30/$40 for 30/40 30mm bases and $120/$130 for 120/130 30mm bases. They do have a package for $36 which is 20x 25mm bases, 5x 40mm bases, 2x 60mm bases. Comparing similar base sizes though we get:
Not sure what your definition of significantly cheaper is though but for me, that is a fairly decent deal. I can understand not wanting to wait and getting something else, fortunately I have a lot of miniatures that are still in the painting queue for me so bases are something that won't go to waste. I suspect that wasted material is where there would be any mold lines (if any), so going inside a lip is a adequate place for it. These still can fit on top of any base, not just inside.. it just takes a minimal adjustment on par with cleaning a miniature to prep it for painting.
I've been too busy getting crazy people riled up from ADW games.
We are 9k from unlocking a new base design. So far graveyard and tech bases are neck and neck. You can view the new base designs and vote here on which one you want unlocked next here.
nkelsch wrote: Personally, I don't see why they didn't make base toppers without that wasted material which goes inside a lip. Then they can fit ON TOP of any base not ONLY INSIDE a specific base.
Good point. I've noticed some sort of trend towards lipped bases, but inserts sorta defeat the purpose.
Cincy mentioned that companies are doing inserts, but they're proprietary designs. Which is pretty darn stupid. Unlike miniatures themselves, most hobby miniature painters can make their own bases. Even sand, cork, static grass, and craft paint can get a tabletop painter pretty far. Reaper's Facebook shows them cranking out regular bases, and they had some textured bases for certain miniatures in their Bones II campaign (that didn't require separate bases). I'm *really* hoping they'll do a KS with textured bases sometime.
EDIT: Textured bases with a flat bottom are also less expensive per base to produce, since they do not necessarily always need an additional non-textured based to use.
Alex C wrote: Jungle bases look nice, but I fail to see where you would position the actual mini. Looks like it would have to be standing on the leaves, which would look weird.
I used MAS jungle bases for an Exodite Eldar project and what you are describing is a problem. Still, the bases look awesome all painted up that I don't really pay attention to the errant foot on leaf issue.
My gallery has some examples of the jungle bases in use if you want to check them out.
Honestly, the price for these is not significantly cheaper than resins on the market, so I would probably just buy the 40k versions in resin than buy this KS and wait months, then sand the bottoms off all with a questionable material.
My math may be off a bit but following your link and pricing out something similar, Tau Ceti as examples, if all I got was 30mm bases, it is $30/$40 for 30/40 30mm bases and $120/$130 for 120/130 30mm bases. They do have a package for $36 which is 20x 25mm bases, 5x 40mm bases, 2x 60mm bases. Comparing similar base sizes though we get:
Not sure what your definition of significantly cheaper is though but for me, that is a fairly decent deal. I can understand not wanting to wait and getting something else, fortunately I have a lot of miniatures that are still in the painting queue for me so bases are something that won't go to waste. I suspect that wasted material is where there would be any mold lines (if any), so going inside a lip is a adequate place for it. These still can fit on top of any base, not just inside.. it just takes a minimal adjustment on par with cleaning a miniature to prep it for painting.
If you wanted 40k bases... You either need to pay an additional 1$ per base to get 'blanks' or 50cent a base for 40k empties, then the tools and time to convert these. Like everyone has a bandsaw sitting around? Hobby saw along a thin edge and PVC doesn't strike me as fun.
And it also assumes that I cannot buy exactly what I need by the smaller resin packs VS getting large numbers of types of bases I don't need or not enough of the bases I do need by the KS model.
And I can get them 'tomorrow' opposed to months away + delays.
I just can't figure out why they would make an exclusionary design. If they were toppers not inserts, they would use less material, almost 40% less as well as be available to not just people who want 40k bases, but people who want square bases as well.
If they are EXACTLY what you are wanting in regards to base theme and base type in the proportions you want, it is a good deal. I am trying hard to find a reason to want them because I have been a huge fan of those chaos bases for a while... I just can't make these work for my needs.
nkelsch wrote: If you wanted 40k bases... You either need to pay an additional 1$ per base to get 'blanks' or 50cent a base for 40k empties...
Or just use the ones that come with your figures?
nkelsch wrote: And it also assumes that I cannot buy exactly what I need by the smaller resin packs VS getting large numbers of types of bases I don't need or not enough of the bases I do need by the KS model.
I think they assume you have a lot of figures unbased or sitting on plain plastic bases at the moment.
nkelsch wrote: I just can't figure out why they would make an exclusionary design. If they were toppers not inserts, they would use less material, almost 40% less as well as be available to not just people who want 40k bases, but people who want square bases as well.
Can't really defend them on this one. I've been asking for toppers for years now. I also wish they'd do some of their square base designs in PVC as fantasy players would buy in heavily. I could use this to rebase my entire Skaven army. Hell, my Ogres or Bretonnians, too.
nkelsch wrote: If they are EXACTLY what you are wanting in regards to base theme and base type in the proportions you want, it is a good deal. I am trying hard to find a reason to want them because I have been a huge fan of those chaos bases for a while... I just can't make these work for my needs.
I partly agree. I don't really have a massive need for those Trash bases. I'd base my Necromunda guys but that's about it. My Orks are based and I'm not going to rebase them at all. My Marines could go well on those Tech bases being voted on but for some reason the fanboys want jungle. I promise you those won't sell for s#!7 after the KS is over but nevermind post KS sales, right?
I get that they plan to do their entire range in PVC eventually but they really need to focus on what they can sell the most of in order to keep the funds flowing. Otherwise they become Mantic and KS is purely a pre-order/primary point-of-sale thing.
It's not like terrain bases are difficult to make. I even found a "Jan 9 09" Hirst Arts mold suggestion for DIY bases. Looks like it got shot down because HA builders aren't necessarily wargamers, and it was 1909 or something when the post was made.
ced1106 wrote: It's not like terrain bases are difficult to make. I even found a "Jan 9 09" Hirst Arts mold suggestion for DIY bases. Looks like it got shot down because HA builders aren't necessarily wargamers, and it was 1909 or something when the post was made.
Yeah but if I'm on a terrain building mission I'd use that energy on actual terrain (buildings, bridges, forests, graveyards) and not bases.
Plus I couldn't do their Jungle bases justice if I tried.
Same for their Mystic bases. And I believe their Mystic bases are new, there's not an existing resin counterpart. I've got MAS resin Arcane bases - they are closest to Mystic - like an indoor version of the Mystic bases and they use a lot of the same stamp parts.
Ultimately $30 for 34 bases is dirt cheap and they're nice stuff.
PS - Okay what the hell is that picture of because that looks like someone's on a MISSION in there!
They were on the sedition wars ones, so I imagine it'll be the same.
For what it's worth, I agree. The Sedition Wars bases have been highly praised everywhere I've seen them mentioned. I have the terrain and that came out great, too.
For $117 including shipping you can get 150 Sedition Wars PVC bases from Miniature Market, so around $0.80c per base.
Note: poorly balanced game and 150 restic gak models also included
Looks like Graveyard won. Unless it was reverse psychology and the base with fewest votes is actually the winner.
There should be an update soon according to the comments page.
Edit: And here it is.
CMoN wrote:Surprise Surprise!
Mr. Black here, dear backers, and I have a $50,000 surprise for you!
I'm super proud of everyone getting out there to vote on their favorite base design, and looking at the polls we have two clear leaders...
So I figured... This is the first New Design Stretch Goal... Let's give you something special...
That being said...
SURPRISE!
We're going to go a head and unlock the GRAVEYARD BASES for you guys at $50K.
In addition...
We'll put up another poll as we reach this Stretch Goal to determine the next selection...
So, what does all this exactly mean for you, the backers?
Well two things:
1. You currently (at $50,000) have FIVE options to choose from when it comes to bases (Chaos, Mystic, Planking, Trash, and Graveyard). What this means is if you pledged for a single set ($22 pledge) you get your choice of any 1 set. If you pledged All the Bases you get your choice of any FOUR of the listed sets.
2. If you backed at the Pick Your Base level, each additional pledge of $22 will net you another set of bases. If you pledged at the All The Bases level, each pledge of an additional $20 will get you another set (so if you want all five designs, for example, it would be $100).
Once we hit $55,000 that will be SIX designs that everyone gets to choose from, dear backers, and it is only the beginning!
Until next time!
-Mr. Black
So, let's get this to 55k so I can get me some tech bases.
Breotan wrote: Looks like Graveyard won. Unless it was reverse psychology and the base with fewest votes is actually the winner. So, let's get this to 55k so I can get me some tech bases.
SURE!! It looks like I'm in for $20 more. That much closer to 55K for you. I'm doing my part!
I cant tell which ones I like more, I mean skulls would make good malifaux corpse markers but thats about it, cant really place too much on it. Old factory has a unique kind of look to it, but then again desert is great for like WWX or Haqq forces for Infinity. I see the people who voted seemed to rush for jungle- Why does everyone really seem to like an over crowded jungle?
ClockworkChaos wrote: I cant tell which ones I like more, I mean skulls would make good malifaux corpse markers but thats about it, cant really place too much on it. Old factory has a unique kind of look to it, but then again desert is great for like WWX or Haqq forces for Infinity. I see the people who voted seemed to rush for jungle- Why does everyone really seem to like an over crowded jungle?
I couldn't tell you why. I just do.
Skulls...Nope
Factory...Looks nice. I like them
Desert...I like them, but that's an easy base to make at home. Greenstuff on base. Coarse sandpaper on greenstuff.
Jungle...I like them, and I can't remake them. I just don't know what I'd use them for.
Breotan wrote: But... I've already got this guy painted and everything. Just think how much more impressive he'd be if his base was as awesome as his cloak!
This reminds me of that 3rd edition Talisman board that was 90% skulls!
And if you voted Trash or Old Factory, get some metal old-school Salvage Crew KS mini's for them! $30 gets you 20 post-apocalypic mini's and 5 security droids!
I agree that you can do desert bases at home, but I'm lazy, don't want to waste my green stuff, and am too impatient to wait for the greenstuff to cute. Vote Desert!
But seriously. The jungle bases are terrible for miniatures. I've tried. And you can make a more convincing looking jungle base woth various types of flocking.
I've seen the light regarding trying to get those guys to actually stand on the jungle bases, so I tossed my vote in for the factory.
Those can probably have more application across a variety of games than the jungle ones can.
I'm also jealous of owning the FFG version of Talisman, as opposed to that totally gnarly heavy metal 3rd edition board. That board is certainly a product of its time, and one I still sometimes miss.
cincy must be asleep (at least, I hope he is! ) so...
Update #11
Sep 27 2014
Adapting Bases to your Miniatures, continued
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Greetings, backers! Continuing from my previous update, here are a few more examples.
This zombie would be right at home shambling across a 40mm Graveyard base.
Usual problem: feet are flat, base is not flat.
Foot placement marked with fine Sharpie.
Marked areas are flattened with a hobby knife.
Glued into place. A much better fit. Scattering a small amount of sand around his feet while the glue is still wet would make the effect even better..
The Jungle base does not appear to have room for this Wrath of Kings character. But there's a flat surface under there, somewhere...
Details to be removed are marked.
Now there's a nice flat rock for his right foot (I remove a bit from the underside to match the slope of the rock), and nobody will know that plant was supposed to have more leaves.
And here I must apologize, because in the rush at the end of the day Friday, I overlooked this guy as I took final photos. I will add him on Monday, but you can probably visualize how much better he fits on the base with the bit of trimming.
Here is a slightly different way of mounting that will work for many figures, whether the base works 'as is' or not. Instead of removing the foot pegs, I use them as 'pins'. With a bit a little larger in diameter than the pegs, I drill holes for the mini. If your hobby store does not stock large enough bits, check a hardware store. A rotary tool will make this go even more quickly and easily--great if you're mounting a unit or army.
This Wrath of Kings Teknes guy would look right at home on a 40mm Trash base.
His small feet will adapt well to several different placements on the base. I like this one.
Holes marked and drilled.
Glued into place.
I hope these examples are helpful to anyone who's shied away from using the more elaborate terrain bases for their models in the past. (No matter whose bases you are buying.) :-)
Yeah, that's pretty extensive cutting of PVC (much harder to cut than resin, in my experience) to get those bases to work... which is why flatter ones like tech, planks, or old factory make the most sense, imo.
Piston Honda wrote: I have yet to see any form of PVC that is easy to work with.
What problems do you have with PVC, and what "types" of PVC are you referring to?
I'm only used to scraping mold lines on soft boardgame plastic (eg. Zombicide), and use an engraving pen.
Let me know how much trouble I'll be in if I pick up these bases for basing. (:
Thanks in advance!
Well, these are bases, if they are anything like the Sedition Wars bases it should be a non-issue.
But as far as PVC goes (sometimes refereed to as restic) Is painful. There are different "formulas" some are more bendy/softer than others. But mold lines are a pain to clean off of miniatures suck as relic knights and sedition wars. Been told the same issue exists with warmachine models but I've never prepped them so I can't speak for PP models.
they are tough to scrape, tend to cut into the model or cut your fingers, and it is a common problem when you think you've removed all mold lines, less evident ones show up when you prime the model. You can either leave it or scrape some more. Lose-lose.
I'll buy a board game that uses the material because I treat them as just board game pieces.
But when it comes to models, I'll be avoiding the material, me thinks. I bought some WOK models to see if this "new process" is what they say it is, or just more crap.
I'm glad Poots decided to go from PVC to HIPs, otherwise I would be putting up my pledge for sale.
I've long enough. In short I would not worry about PVC regarding bases. PVC has its places in my opinion. Board game pieces, bases and terrain. Possibly some bits on a model where they would just snap too.
Ced- I just meant, I find it harder to cut than resin or polystyrene, so the extensive surgery needed on the jungle bases would make me think flatter ones are a safer bet, until you see how easy these are to work with.
I've no idea why the chose what they chose. Hopefully this is just a start and once post KS production begins they'll have enough sales to justify making more molds in new designs.
They've posted another update on their KS page. Essentially they're showing what the bases will look like in PVC beside what the actual resins look like now. Here are a few examples:
I'm not really sold on the whole pvc bases will look just as good as resin bases thing. To me with the majority of the pictures they showed in the update the resin bases look substantially better.
I don't think I could tell the diff if primed, but the colours don't help here. Even an ink wash would show the detail.
I'm still more worried on the softness front, so hoping they'll become too cheap for me to turn down.
Edit: Just has a look at this on kicktraq and it seems to have fallen off a cliff - one day it made $18, and today it's lost money. I was expecting it to be beyond $100k now with a lot more freebies. Do you think they'll do anything with it or is this all we're going to get?
They said future goals mean new patterns not more bases. I think it is falling because there is competitions for bases on kick start and the cheapo people are doing that. This one has nicest looking bases though.
I don't think Basius is competition, really- it happens to be a better fit for me as I already have bases with a raised lip that were custom made (by Wehrkind!) that I want to add texture / details to.
But if I didn't already have bases, I'd be buying these in a heartbeat, instead! I think the PVC will be fine, the bigger concern is some of the designs, but obviously people can just choose the more conservative ones if they're worried about that.
There is a lot of competition from Basius and Happy Sepuku which will be cheaper in the long terms,
(but possibly not as nice results depending on user skill and personal taste)
I've seen plenty of chat about which one of the 3 projects people are going to back on a variety of forums
They're also fighting against the 'mystery' shipping costs as the estimates provided for Arcadia Quest and Zombicide 3 have been massively out for some backers leading to much upset
so a subset of regular CMON backers are now probably not going to be pledging with them again
We've also seen people deciding to back out as they are not offering larger bases/GW style bases/square bases
and finally too much choice (and not enough of it available yet).. people have favourite MAS bases, they hope they get converted but until it does they won't pledge.
(I 'm in at the moment, but unless I see one of 2 or 3 base types appear I'll probably drop out, I can make decent approximations of many of the bases so I really one the ones like Jungle that I just can't do)
I have an EB but even with the addition of the new styles I'll be out if they don't add some more 50mm bases - 2 per set just isn't enough for my needs (and I was really hoping for Halodyne but that's very unlikely now :( )
Backers! Mr. Black here, and we're in the middle of what is known as Campaign Lull... The time during the middle (but not quite the end) of a campaign when things just seem to die down, which usually leads to a loss of momentum...
... And it's something I truly hate.
Well, we here at CMoN have decided to really give you guys a big push in the last days here, basically as sort of a rally for anyone on the fence about joining us.
What is this push, you ask anxiously?
Let me show you:
SURPRISE! We're unlocking the Old Factory, Derelict, Arcane, Jungle, Desert, and Forest Base Designs for all our backers!
We really want this to be a big push for you guys as well as the campaign. We're moving ahead of schedule, but we figured what the heck, more options for our loyal backers
Of course, this will change the $65,000 stretch goal... But I'll reveal those options soon
So come on, get the word out there, backers now have over a DOZEN base options to choose from!
Remember backers, you can always add another $22 (Pick Your Base) or $20 (All The Bases) to pick up additional sets (and each set is a staggering 34 bases!)
Get the word out there backers and let's hit one out of the park!
This update is pretty awesome. I think I'm going to change my pledge from Pick your Base to All the Bases. I'm using Arcane bases for one of my factions in Malifaux. It will be cool to have more as I was getting ready to order more and bigger bases from that range.
MightyGodzilla wrote: This update is pretty awesome. I think I'm going to change my pledge from Pick your Base to All the Bases. I'm using Arcane bases for one of my factions in Malifaux. It will be cool to have more as I was getting ready to order more and bigger bases from that range.
Just awesome.
Lols self quote.
I went to update my pledge and upon rereading the All the Bases pledge is the first four introductory styles and not the styles past that. I had to stick with Pick your Bases pledge and add on to that as I wanted Mystic, Graveyard, Arcane, & Jungle. I thought rementioning how All the Bases worked was worth it, as I almost made a mistake. $88 vs $80, no big deal.
If I choose the All the Bases Pledge Level, am I locked into the four introductory sets, or can I choose whatever sets I want? 4 Chaos sets, for example?
YES, you may freely mix and match sets as you want. This was changed during our campaign due to player request
Yes, despite the pledge level text (which they can't change) they have said that you can pick 4 sets of bases of any style (even 4 of the same style) with the All the Bases ($80) pledge.
Edit: Ninja'ed by DaveC, see his post above. It's in the FAQ at the bottom of the main campaign page.
Can someone list what game systems use the round lipped bases that this campaign is producing?
Warmachine
Dark Age
...?
Malifaux, Brushfire, Relic Knights
Also Darklands, Deepwars, Carnevale, Wrath of Kings, Hell Dorado, Anima Tactics, Wild West Exodus, Infamy, Pulp City, and Wolsung. Deadzone too since the exact base size doesnt actually matter.
Pretty much every 28/32mm game that's not Warhammer, Infinity or Kings of War use 30mm lipped for regular dude infantry.
Plus the 40/50mm bases work as is, and you can just use the 30mm inserts without the main base, as the bottom is 25mm.
Really glad they opened more sets. But good luck getting a mini on those wood bases. I have some and used them for flight bases for Woldstalkers, which turned out great. Also summoned forest markers for Malifaux. But they're pretty useless for anything else.
Wild West Exodus is kind of picky about what base to use though - IF you care about 'official' tournaments and all that.
Normally I wouldn't, but when it is hard enough to find a someone else to play a game with, 'Official' Tournaments might be the only time you can get a game in!
Temple bases at 70K. They have officially unlocked every type of base I wanted from MAS. Hearing about this Kickstarter has really made my month!! The Pipework bases are kind of badass as well, I just don't know what I'd use them with.
If you're waiting for their game, I suspect you might be waiting quite a while yet!
Are you talking about just the game or the miniature line as well? Because some of those minis I wouldn't mind buy when they release.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Annnnd they just hit their 70K Stretch goal!!!
45 Hours to go. Question. Once it's funded can I up my pledge level or do I have to decide the final amount I want to spend before then? I forgot how Kickstarters work.
MightyGodzilla wrote: 45 Hours to go. Question. Once it's funded can I up my pledge level or do I have to decide the final amount I want to spend before then? I forgot how Kickstarters work.
It varies by company. AFAIK, CMON lets you increase your pledge level post-funding *but* this increase does not count towards stretch goals. Also, CMON will charge you actual shipping post-funding, but you can ask for a refund if you choose not to pay it.
Just got into infinity(well I ordered icestorm), what bases do you all think go with the different factions? Or are these the wrong sizes for infinity, or missing sizes that would be needed. I don't have a specific faction chooses yet, leaning towards nomad(Corregidor) and yu jing.
Theophony wrote: Just got into infinity(well I ordered icestorm), what bases do you all think go with the different factions? Or are these the wrong sizes for infinity, or missing sizes that would be needed. I don't have a specific faction chooses yet, leaning towards nomad(Corregidor) and yu jing.
They look like they're 25mm without the lip thing, since they seemed to fit well on top of a 25mm base. You could just glue the base on top of a 25mm, and have a slight overhang, but that's common in many games with models/bits extending past the baseline anyways. I havent played Infinity, so don't know if a slightly taller base it would impact gameplay like GW's TLOS rules.
I think the edge might look bad unless you cut down how deep it is. It should be possible- but if I were going to do all that work to use Micro Art Studio PVC bases of a certain theme, I'd just get MAS resin bases of that same theme, instead.
@alpharius and RITides, thanks, I haven't looked into infinity that much, I was also considering doing the clear plastic bases as well, might be the better option.
Either way (these plastic or their resins), what is thematically better styles for the different factions? also now considering Aelph.
Their "Urban" base line is specifically designed for Infinity, and the Tech bases are also very popular for it. I'm not sure of what is / could be Aleph-specific, though.
Wheee! I snagged an early-bird. I love playing this mini-game in the last hours of a KS.
Edit: And it's done. $88,184 pledged. It's an odd thing but someone dropped an Early Bird pledge literally at the last few seconds. Not really sure what that's about.
Still, I've got plenty of time to sort out what I need before the pledge manager hits. Looking forward to see what else they do later on.
Edit #2: They went ahead and unlocked the Wrathstone bases anyway.
Wheee! I snagged an early-bird. I love playing this mini-game in the last hours of a KS.
Edit: And it's done. $88,184 pledged. It's an odd thing but someone dropped an Early Bird pledge literally at the last few seconds. Not really sure what that's about.
Still, I've got plenty of time to sort out what I need before the pledge manager hits. Looking forward to see what else they do later on.
Edit #2: They went ahead and unlocked the Wrathstone bases anyway.
Sounds like you might have gotten mine....
I dropped because for me the value just wasn't there. Don't get me wrong, for what your getting your getting a fantastic value, but I've got a pretty good stock of most of these bases in resin. I was holding out for either something new, different sized bases or more freebies.
Okay, they've re-opened the pledge manager. You'll likely be tagged a little for shipping so be prepared. I had estimated $10 when I pledged, turned out I needed $4 more on top of that.
Yes, they will be going retail. Shipping is (was) listed as being sometime in Feb 2015 so I'd expect to see the bases hitting the market around the same time.
In other news...
Casey wrote:We wanted to make sure that everybody knows that the Pledge Manager will be open until 1-10-2015. Please make sure that your order selections, shipping address and shipping cost are confirmed prior to that date. After 1-10-2015 you will no longer be able to unlock you order for any changes. Please contact us if you have any questions about unlocking you order.
Please note that the Pledge Manager is up and running, if you are having any issue accessing it please contact us at support@cmon.com.
A quick update. Seems like we won't get these early February as expected. Something about a half-month long party.
Hello Backers,
We had an unexpected delay with the production of the final three bases for the campaign. The issue has been resolved but unforunately it caused us a delay in final shipping, which pushed us back to February- aka the Chinese New Year. Chinese New Year last for 15 days. It is longest and most important celebration in the Chinese calendar. The issue with this is that during Chinese New Year, all manufacturing and shipping in China literally shut down. Meaning nothing will be produced or shipped during this timeframe.
This is an unfortunate chain of events. We will update you immediately as soon as we hear additional news regarding final shipping dates.
We really do appreciate your continued patience, and thank you for you continued support.
Well, to ship in February, you'd need to have the stock shipped from China in January or even December. Feb/CNY does provide a useful excuse of up to 2 months that can be bolted on at-will to a̶n̶y̶ every project.
Final notice that they're closing the pledge manager. If you haven't done yours, or if you want more bases, you should get it done now.
We have a quick update for you today. We'll be closing the pledge manager on Monday, February 16 2015. Please make sure you finalize your pledge and address before that time. Production will be moving into full swing after Chinese New Year, so we want to have our numbers ready for them once the factories re-open.
Okay, I've noticed on Facebook that some people are getting their stuff. The US is still waiting for the ship to dock but the RotW should be seeing orders trickle in.
Speak of the devil! Mine arrived today, no shipping notice from CMON, which was sort of strange.
Overall they look good. The inserts are a little bit smaller than other company's inserts however, as the lip on the CMON base is wider. The 30 mm inserts are actually only about 22 mm across. The 40mm ones are 31mm across, and the 50mm ones are 40mm across. The lip provides the rest. Something to bear in mind if your mini has a large footprint, as you effectively lose more of the basing area than you do on other bases I've seen. Particularly on the 30mm ones, it might be a tight fit.
The casts themselves look great - no mould lines or flash. I got the arcane and ancient, so they are relatively flat. More "3D" sets like chaos, forest or jungle might have ended up with cleanup. Overall, I'm pleased and would pick up more if the price was right.
Bossk_Hogg, are you talking about the bottom of the insert? Since it seems like the tops all have pieces overhanging the lip (almost too much, imo) so you could put a wide-stanced model on many of them... if you can find a flat portion
Despite that I actually really like these, just forwarded it to a friend this morning who was looking for plank bases and told him they are delivering. Will they be for sale at GenCon?
The top, but none of mine had overhang, so the top and bottom were the same size. I do see a few sets with some bases that go over, perhaps even beyond the lip portion, like the chaos, planking, Tau Ceti etc. But even they arent uniformly overhanging.
If anyone got the Wrath of Kings inserts, they are similar in size and cast quality (except the sucky dirt ones they subbed in for the Goritsi bases). I would actually buy more of the WOK ones as well, particularly the Shael Han temple. My Jute infantry will be mainly on the new graveyard bases when they arrive.
I do wish they had variety in the 50mm ones however. One type might work for a very small unit number games, like Malifaux, where you are unlikely to have more than 1 50mm based model per crew, but I think it's going to be noticable in other games like Darklands, WoK, Warmahordes, etc.
Breotan wrote: Anyone order a set of wood planks they'd like to get rid of?
Out of curiosity, what are you using them for?
I've finally broken down and decided to start collecting Malifaux Gremlins. They live in a bayou and those bases look perfect for them.
BTW, I got my bases today. You DEFINITELY need to wash them. Man, six bags of Tech bases (Space Marine Battle Company) get funky sorting them out to check quantity. I got one set of Trash bases for my Dark Vengence Chaos Cultists. Those will become my Orlocks once I get them done up. I also have a set of Ancient but I'll be damned if I can remember what I wanted them for. I'll figure it out sooner or later, I guess.
EDIT: Here are a couple of pics
Trash bases and inserts as they arrived in the mail
Six bags worth of Tech inserts sorted and counted and ready for the soapy water wash.
They look really sharp, Breotan! But the real question is, why do you keep your M&Ms in a tupperware??
Cincy, I have a friend looking for plank bases but another member of the local group is going to GenCon, so I already alerted him to check for them. Thanks though
Wow, those are something special. With one of my favourite base companies just straight up failing to ship orders any more, it's always good to see tasty alternatives.
I'm painting twenty two tiny Tanith and marathoning Scrubs to stay sane.
Just got the guns, flesh, hair and little details to finish up.
UPDATE: CMoN now has these bases for sale in their web store. I just ordered a bunch so if you've been waiting for this, you can now order plastic (PVC) MAS bases.
. Might even say this is the kind of thing Kickstarter was made for 
. I talked to the guy from champindustries over a year ago and he was thinking of doing a kickstarter to expand his line, hope he just woke up to see this.
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