Kangodo wrote:
I also think that a GK-release wouldn't exclude Pariahs or a new Cryptek-box.

I don't know, from the sounds of things, I'd be surprised if we got anything more than that Destroyer repack (and even that's being generous, considering this will more than likely be a quick-dex). If Pariahs were coming back, that'd mean new plastic, and so far no one's heard anything about that. More likely, they'll just make Praetorians/Lychguard better, so people end up buying that box.

I'd be suprised if there is no plastic lord with the release then again new grey lord or inquisition plastics so I guess we'll see.

Am I right in thinking that all the Necron special characters have a model? If so, I'm thinking the Necron Codex won't be a Diet Codex like the DE and GK books.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I right in thinking that all the Necron special characters have a model? If so, I'm thinking the Necron Codex won't be a Diet Codex like the DE and GK books.

Yes, all the Necron SCs have Models.

Lets not forget that AM, DE, and GK(essentially) all dropped characters with models. Necrons easily can drop the two Cryptek SC and just website exclusive them to being Harbinger Crypteks. Also none of the other characters physically represent anything you can't take as Overlord/lord Wargear. Personally I'm hoping for a return to the bland faceless enemy fluff from 3rd edition. Giving them character and dynasty fluff was the worst part of the 5th ed. codex, IMO.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I right in thinking that all the Necron special characters have a model? If so, I'm thinking the Necron Codex won't be a Diet Codex like the DE and GK books.

Yes, you are right!

 Kirasu wrote:
Why would you think a codex update would suddenly make more units useful? That's never what happens :p Some units get buffed, but still half will be garbage.

Because despite all the doomsday-talk on this forum I am actually quite pleased with the recent codices and that's what I have seen with the other releases.

There are multiple levels of garbage.
There is the "Unit X in the same Codex is way better, so this is garbage".
And then we have the "Lol, you are paying 40 points for a T5 with 3+ model"-garbage.

I am happy when I can take a Lychguard without feeling bad about it.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Lets not forget that AM, DE, and GK(essentially) all dropped characters with models. Necrons easily can drop the two Cryptek SC and just website exclusive them to being Harbinger Crypteks. Also none of the other characters physically represent anything you can't take as Overlord/lord Wargear. Personally I'm hoping for a return to the bland faceless enemy fluff from 3rd edition. Giving them character and dynasty fluff was the worst part of the 5th ed. codex, IMO.

What characters had models that were dropped from the 6/7th AM, DE and GK Codex? I'm pretty sure any characters there in the 5th edition, when they were updated that had models, stayed in....

Sly Marbo, Al Rahim, Vect, all the inquisition characters(like I said essentially) I think there were more AM characters(don't play the army). Thawn and Mordrak also had models easily made from the plastic Terminator kits, it just wasn't spelled out for you like Nork Dedog.


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Weren't those all really old models, that by today's standards are "hideous"? Obviously some people still like them, but most kitbashed their own. The necron ones are all brand new to the 5th codex. I don't think you'll see those disappear. GW isn't that stupid.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Sly Marbo, Al Rahim, Vect, all the inquisition characters(like I said essentially) I think there were more AM characters(don't play the army). Thawn and Mordrak also had models easily made from the plastic Terminator kits, it just wasn't spelled out for you like Nork Dedog.


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I don't remember any of those models being available during their 5th edition codexes.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Weren't those all really old models, that by today's standards are "hideous"? Obviously some people still like them, but most kitbashed their own. The necron ones are all brand new to the 5th codex. I don't think you'll see those disappear. GW isn't that stupid.

I like the fact Necrons are like an fractured ancient empire clawing it's way back. But I liked the old background also

The characters are quite cool and I really don't think any will disappear, we might get a clampack with a cryptek or Lord but I don't know.

If we get a destoyer repack that's good.

I've converted several crypteks for the various disciplines so I'm hoping they stay at least. Though considering I play a second ed version of the rules it doesn't make much difference to myself what they do.

Pariahs should get a revival. But I highly doubt it.
Destroyers need to become cheaper to be useful.

I'd personally love if pariahs returned but I honestly doubt they will.

 skoffs wrote:
Faeit has an anonymous source who also claims the Necrons are next... but they then go on to post a comment from a user that the current physical codex has been removed from the GW webstore.
http://natfka.blogspot.jp/2014/10/blood-angels-or-necrons.html

As of Oct 5th, the physical copy of the current (5th ed.) codex is still available via the webstore, so Faeit's info isn't exactly watertight.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/search/searchResults.jsp?searchTerm=necrons

This same 'rumor' popped up months ago just because someone at GW messed up and didn't put it in the Necron section but it is in the general Codex section.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/609472/7121818.page

I'd also love Pariahs to return, perhaps as a 3rd option in the Royal Court besides Lords and Crypteks.

I'm also hoping that Necrons get a rules balance on par with Dark Eldar.

This just sounds like an educated guess from the "rumormongers" involved.

 Sasori wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Sly Marbo, Al Rahim, Vect, all the inquisition characters(like I said essentially) I think there were more AM characters(don't play the army). Thawn and Mordrak also had models easily made from the plastic Terminator kits, it just wasn't spelled out for you like Nork Dedog.


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I don't remember any of those models being available during their 5th edition codexes.

Sorry you don't remember it, but they all were.

A destroyer repack would be nice but I don't see it as it would require cutting a new sprue for an existing unit just to add a gun and maybe a staff.

I'd think we'd sooner see Flayed Ones since those are the only non-plastic units in the range aside from characters or Crypteks.

 Breotan wrote:
A destroyer repack would be nice but I don't see it as it would require cutting a new sprue for an existing unit just to add a gun and maybe a staff.

I'd think we'd sooner see Flayed Ones since those are the only non-plastic units in the range aside from characters or Crypteks.

A new kit for Destroyers would let them add some more weapon options, and as a kit, let them sell it as a 3 pack rather than singles, and remove the finecast lord and heavy destroyer upgrade bits. Destroyers are one of the few remaining hybrid kits out there, so I expect them to go away.

My two cents:
Model Side
Flayed ones were new sculpts with the 5th ed codex... I double that they are going to get redone in plastic... honestly, it makes for sense to sell a $50 plastic box to make all the various C'Tan (crossing my fingers for C'Tan with wings... FMC)... not that I expect that to happen.
Plastic destroyers (3 to a box for $60) makes sense... let's hope that the rules improve as well.
Multi-piece, clampack crypteks would fly off the shelves (think the Ork Mek sprue with 2-3 staff head options).
No more than 1 unit redone and 1 Clamshell character

Rules:
I expect the Lychguard/Praetorians to see a price drop.
I expect to see MSS get dropped or a huge nerf.
I expect flayed ones to see a buff. (But who am I kidding... they still will suck unless that can assault the turn they hit the table... and nothing can do that anymore)
I expect Tesla to see an across the board nerf... most likely no extra hits on snap-shots but who knows.
I expect our transports to get a price increase... I expect our fliers to get a big price increase.
I expect our C'Tan shards to have a price decrease.

Seeing how Tyranids and Orks got crippling leadership abilities... I almost expect Phase Out to come back.
"Opps... your unit of Warriors failed a morale check... POOF they are gone" kind of thing.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Seeing how Tyranids and Orks got crippling leadership abilities... I almost expect Phase Out to come back.
"Opps... your unit of Warriors failed a morale check... POOF they are gone" kind of thing.

Nonsense. There will be a Phase Out Chart, so that whenever you fail an Ld test you can roll randomly cinematically to find out what happens to your unit.

So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

 pretre wrote:
So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

Why? It does seem likely that the Necrons are next as they are the LAST non marine army (other then Eldar) who are a power house, and GW will want to Nerf them...

i really hope they donot change to much,just a warlord table,some formations would be cool,i love the tesla the way it is,i bet the price of planes and annalation barges is going to go up,so we will see.

There is no way they are going to do a repack of the destroyers if they aren't going to change the rules to make us want to buy them. Otherwise we're going to have a set no one would buy still because the rules for the models suck (even something as simple as a 2+ save or extra would would make them viable)

Warmonger2757 wrote:
There is no way they are going to do a repack of the destroyers if they aren't going to change the rules to make us want to buy them. Otherwise we're going to have a set no one would buy still because the rules for the models suck (even something as simple as a 2+ save or extra would would make them viable)

To be honest this wouldn't be the first time they would have done this. Especially in light of the WD releases. We could get new destroyer Dataslates that are awesome and then a codex which makes them suck, or vice versa.

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

Why? It does seem likely that the Necrons are next as they are the LAST non marine army (other then Eldar) who are a power house, and GW will want to Nerf them...

I personally call shenanigans on the codex dropping on Halloween.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

Why? It does seem likely that the Necrons are next as they are the LAST non marine army (other then Eldar) who are a power house, and GW will want to Nerf them...

I personally call shenanigans on the codex dropping on Halloween.

ditto

I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't.

And it's only available as a part of a $160 kit...

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/609472.page#7256787

That's where we can discuss "wants and expectations".
This thread is purely because our Codex is rumoured to be out in 2-3 weeks, so that would mean we'd slowly be seeing more and more rumours.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

No sarcasm intended, but what are those hard-counters?

T. C'tan remains the only model I have seen outright banned at two tournaments, at two different local venues, so there seems to be at last some consensus that it is disturbingly powerful.

A group of knights can take one out easily enough (even a single knight that gets lucky).

The main issue is the hellstorm D template. That thing just isn't fun for anyone. Outside of that, and the fact it takes an average of 54 melta shots to kill it...it's perfectly fine.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

No sarcasm intended, but what are those hard-counters?

T. C'tan remains the only model I have seen outright banned at two tournaments, at two different local venues, so there seems to be at last some consensus that it is disturbingly powerful.

Grav weapons, Las cannon Devestators/long fangs, drop pod spam, mass poision, the Tau and any army that plays to a mission versus trying to kill the C'tan. That isn't even taking into account all the other LoW that shoot long range D. weapons. Like the Revenamt Titan, or the uber Baneblade variants.


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 greggles wrote:
A group of knights can take one out easily enough (even a single knight that gets lucky).

The main issue is the hellstorm D template. That thing just isn't fun for anyone. Outside of that, and the fact it takes an average of 54 melta shots to kill it...it's perfectly fine.

Knight Titan armies have no chance against one C'tan. He can kill two a turn and the other necron elements can drop Knights quite easily too. Plus the cecrons are dropping obj. secured troops from fliers that the knights can't touch. Knights can't assault a C'an unless the C'tan wants it to happen and the C'tan can get hit and run with Zandrehk and when not in assault it's got tank hunter.

It's up in the air but I say Necrons will be in Nov then Blood Angels at the end of the year what with Vampires being associated with Christmas. So that makes sense.

I can't and wont believe this!!!! There is no reason to update the necron codex in the other hand blood Angels desperately need an update. I just can't see necron coming before blood Angels makes no sense

I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

They will make a new codex for the following reasons:

1. Money
2. to make it in the new hardcover style
3. to add warlord and lord of war rules (to sell more tesseract vaults)
4. to patch and amend several rules (which they most likely haven't full tested out)
5. to expand the war gear list selection
6. Ward removal (you all know what I mean)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I right in thinking that all the Necron special characters have a model? If so, I'm thinking the Necron Codex won't be a Diet Codex like the DE and GK books.

The funny thing is that just about all of those guys are kitted out the same, so in WYSIWYG terms you could use the same mini to represent any one of them.


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migooo wrote:
I'd personally love if pariahs returned but I honestly doubt they will.

I use my old Pariahs as Crypteks.

Relapse wrote:

I use my old Pariahs as Crypteks.

I think that's pretty universal.

Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I've actually heard the opposite about the T. C'tan. At Nova there are tons of tales of the C'tan in the hands of a good player utterly soloing the opponent's army. As in, the models other than the C'tan kill two guardians, while the C'tan proceeds to table the opponent alone. It got even the narrative track players begging to ban lords of war.

After seeing orks and dark eldar... there is utterly no hope of anything in the necron book remaining 'interesting'.

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

So Necrons are likely to be next? Fair enough.

I expect the telsa will lose the extra hits on 6s for snapshots, so none from over watch or at fliers.

It could go pre-order on halloween, as it's a Friday this year.

Maybe BA will be released at Xmas and they'll use the tag line 'Merry Bloody Christmas'.

D

Goresaw wrote:I've actually heard the opposite about the T. C'tan. At Nova there are tons of tales of the C'tan in the hands of a good player utterly soloing the opponent's army. As in, the models other than the C'tan kill two guardians, while the C'tan proceeds to table the opponent alone. It got even the narrative track players begging to ban lords of war.

After seeing orks and dark eldar... there is utterly no hope of anything in the necron book remaining 'interesting'.

Those tales are of the Transcendent C'Tan... not the C'Tan Shards currently in the Codex. At 6 wounds, Toughness 9, with an invul and feel no pain, it is very tough to kill unless you are specifically planning for it.

On the flavor side... 5th Necrons didn't have much to begin with. There isn't too much to lose. I'm interested in seeing what formations we get.

I cannot remember even seeing a C'tan shard on the table for the last...year. I've seen monoliths, Flayed Ones, Praeotorians...but not a single shard.

Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

The timing we're not too worried about at the moment (there's been a few sources corroborating that information),
It's those six new models you mentioned that caught attention. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, so obviously I'm extremely interested/skeptical, as you would think info that big would be making big waves.
I'd love to add that to the top post, as it's definitely something many people would want to hear about, but I can't very well just say "NakedSeamus's friend said we're getting six new models, guys!" without something to back that up with.
Oh well, keep us updated if you get anything more we can use (eg. a link to some photos, etc.)

(though, we're hardly "overdue" for a new codex. Blood Angels definitely needed their update sooner than we needed ours).


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 Laemos wrote:
Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

At the moment the only three rumors that have been corroborated by multiple sources are the late Oct release, the minimum codex update ("the GK treatment"), and the Destroyer repackaging.
We're expecting more in the next week or two to add to the top post. Until then, this is acting as a place holder (... and apparently the comments are now a wish list dumping ground).

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't and wont believe this!!!! There is no reason to update the necron codex in the other hand blood Angels desperately need an update. I just can't see necron coming before blood Angels makes no sense

So the Blood Angels will have to wait one more month. They are the last two Codexes in softcover (apparantly SoB don't count) and it makes little difference which one is done this month and which one is done next month. Besides, GW isn't known for their common sense.

 Breotan wrote:
I'd think we'd sooner see Flayed Ones since those are the only non-plastic units in the range aside from characters or Crypteks.

If they did a plastic re-do I'd hope for an update of the poses, they're pretty terrible as is. Orikan is still the worst but these guys have got to be the second worst models in the line.

My guess is no new models, and a nerf to Cron Air and Wraiths, nothing gets better. Cause that is how Gee-Dubs rolls now.


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 Bonesnapper wrote:
Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I liked the looks of Destroyers just fine before the 2011 releases. They made thematic sense: sentient robots who will build themselves into skimmers, more efficient killing platforms.

Now that that the 2011 release came out and they are jump troops, they make no goddamn sense at all anymore; they should look exactly the same as Praetorians. And that's without even the idea of sentient robots riding on vehicles, which I abhor... but that's another thread.

Anyway once they introducted Praetorians they should have totally redone Destroyers I think. I do like the models but I have a problem with how "different" they look from other models that work exactly the same way.

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 Bonesnapper wrote:
Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I liked the looks of Destroyers just fine before the 2011 releases. They made thematic sense: sentient robots who will build themselves into skimmers, more efficient killing platforms.

Now that that the 2011 release came out and they are jump troops, they make no goddamn sense at all anymore; they should look exactly the same as Praetorians. And that's without even the idea of sentient robots riding on vehicles, which I abhor... but that's another thread.

Well I like the models as they are now - so I hope they change them to be not-jump troops but return them to be some kind of hovering battle platform again.

I think the robot's ON vehicles vs. Constructing yourself into a vehicle still makes perfect sense. They still have all these vehicles lying around from before the metamorphosis into robots - and their robot forms mimic their meat forms - so it only makes sense to continue operating the vehicles as a separate entity. The destroyers are cold and ruthless and kind of insane - and so they literally cut ties to their old mortal bodies and make themselves even more robotic...

I don't have a good feeling about what will happen to the Crons. Don't nerf them... They finally got pretty good and they aren't OP.

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

The timing we're not too worried about at the moment (there's been a few sources corroborating that information),
It's those six new models you mentioned that caught attention. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, so obviously I'm extremely interested/skeptical, as you would think info that big would be making big waves.
I'd love to add that to the top post, as it's definitely something many people would want to hear about, but I can't very well just say "NakedSeamus's friend said we're getting six new models, guys!" without something to back that up with.
Oh well, keep us updated if you get anything more we can use (eg. a link to some photos, etc.)

(though, we're hardly "overdue" for a new codex. Blood Angels definitely needed their update sooner than we needed ours).


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 Laemos wrote:
Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

At the moment the only three rumors that have been corroborated by multiple sources are the late Oct release, the minimum codex update ("the GK treatment"), and the Destroyer repackaging.
We're expecting more in the next week or two to add to the top post. Until then, this is acting as a place holder (... and apparently the comments are now a wish list dumping ground).

Well, I didn't post the information to start an argument or to be the next rumormonger. The thing about rumors is that they're rumors, if you wanted documented proof or pictures or something don't you think that's just news? I heard from a guy that is in the know that we're getting 6 new models, now he didn't get anymore specific than that, so they could be repacks like the destroyer rumor or just new plastic figures of older models. I don't know, and the next time I've heard something I'll be sure to keep it to myself.

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

The timing we're not too worried about at the moment (there's been a few sources corroborating that information),
It's those six new models you mentioned that caught attention. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, so obviously I'm extremely interested/skeptical, as you would think info that big would be making big waves.
I'd love to add that to the top post, as it's definitely something many people would want to hear about, but I can't very well just say "NakedSeamus's friend said we're getting six new models, guys!" without something to back that up with.
Oh well, keep us updated if you get anything more we can use (eg. a link to some photos, etc.)

(though, we're hardly "overdue" for a new codex. Blood Angels definitely needed their update sooner than we needed ours).


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 Laemos wrote:
Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

At the moment the only three rumors that have been corroborated by multiple sources are the late Oct release, the minimum codex update ("the GK treatment"), and the Destroyer repackaging.
We're expecting more in the next week or two to add to the top post. Until then, this is acting as a place holder (... and apparently the comments are now a wish list dumping ground).

Well, I didn't post the information to start an argument or to be the next rumormonger. The thing about rumors is that they're rumors, if you wanted documented proof or pictures or something don't you think that's just news? I heard from a guy that is in the know that we're getting 6 new models, now he didn't get anymore specific than that, so they could be repacks like the destroyer rumor or just new plastic figures of older models. I don't know, and the next time I've heard something I'll be sure to keep it to myself.

Please do not listen to people like that person, my friend. Anything at this point is better then nothing

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Well, I didn't post the information to start an argument or to be the next rumormonger. The thing about rumors is that they're rumors, if you wanted documented proof or pictures or something don't you think that's just news? I heard from a guy that is in the know that we're getting 6 new models, now he didn't get anymore specific than that, so they could be repacks like the destroyer rumor or just new plastic figures of older models. I don't know, and the next time I've heard something I'll be sure to keep it to myself.

Please do not listen to people like that person, my friend. Anything at this point is better then nothing

First off, NakedSeamus, my reply was not meant to come off as negative or accusatory, it's just that, without anything more to back it up with, we can only take it at face value: a rumor of a rumor. I'm definitely not saying there's no place for those and that you should stop. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm hoping for more info from you, if possible!

... but at the same time, TyraelVladinhurst, you gotta be careful. Believing every unsubstantiated claim on the internet is a sure recipe for disappointment.
I mean, let's say someone waltzes in here claiming Necrons will get a new MC this coming codex, you get all pumped for it, then the book drops only with no new models at all? Disillusionment city, man.

TL;DR- remain optimistic, yet realistic.

Well, i am just hoping for the rumour that crons are next to be true. I am however very scared. While i would like formation, skill fixes, warlord traits and relic equipment, i am scared that they will nerf Crons down just like they did my Orks. Havent been able to win a single battle with the new dex thus far...

Krumpa wrote:
Well, i am just hoping for the rumour that crons are next to be true. I am however very scared. While i would like formation, skill fixes, warlord traits and relic equipment, i am scared that they will nerf Crons down just like they did my Orks. Havent been able to win a single battle with the new dex thus far...

Surely that's just down to the dice? Or maybe just the list you're running?

Don't worry, pretty soon your Ork army will probably be able to beat every Necron army, once the ultranerf-- oops, I mean, new codex comes out!

The 7th ed codices have all been minor cleanup jobs without changing a whole hell of a lot. I doubt Necrons will get anything too drastic. Anything without a model will be removed and they might get a new unit or two.

 Brother SRM wrote:
The 7th ed codices have all been minor cleanup jobs without changing a whole hell of a lot.

What?

- Superheavies?
- Lords of Wars?
- Apocalypse-style formations?
- New Detachment-types as alternatives to the classic 1-HQ-2-Troops?
- The introduction of tactical objectives?
- Arguably the biggest design/layout-change since leaving black-and-white?


Hardly "minor" stuff.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Belatedly added to the tracker.

bad news from Lords of War Gaming via facebook.....

"Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released. Also Tyranids will see the release of two large bugs. The rules for their models will be in the box like the Nagash release. This is also just a model release for the Tyranids, no codex.

Lastly the Blood angels will be released at the end of the year."
( https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming )

this sounds bad......

LoWG are pretty reliable:
Lords of Wargaming - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

 pretre wrote:
LoWG are pretty reliable:
Lords of Wargaming - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

unfortunately this is true :(

ungros wrote:
bad news from Lords of War Gaming via facebook.....

"Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released. Also Tyranids will see the release of two large bugs. The rules for their models will be in the box like the Nagash release. This is also just a model release for the Tyranids, no codex.

Lastly the Blood angels will be released at the end of the year."
( https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming )

this sounds bad......

Ok ... what...just... what?! We have a ton of options for models to use as Necron Lords/overlords - and only one crappy failcast Cryptek with no weapon/gear options and they decide to release a new Necron Lord model?

I say again... WHAT??!

lol Gw.

To be fair, Dark Eldar got a bomber with horrible utility; wow, great blast weapons on a 10/10/10 platform. What do you mean you can't fire them after jinking?

I could see necrons not appearing till early next year. We've got End Times Volume II releases and Blood Angels before we see anything for Necrons. Which takes us into the holidays and they normally don't do big holiday releases as they figure that money would come in regardless (and to be fair it normally does).

I would love for the Tyranid rumor to be true though. More bugs the better. I just started repainting all of mine for a few GT's this fall

The woerst thing is, that ther won´t be a new Codex this year....

ungros wrote:
The woerst thing is, that ther won´t be a new Codex this year....

That's not really that bad. No change is better than a gamble of up or down.

ungros wrote:
The woerst thing is, that ther won´t be a new Codex this year....

Really, if I were I cron player I'd milk that gravy train as long as it lasts. I expect a lot of changes in that book.

Yeah, see tesla turning into the rule in the SW codex. See the removal or massive nerfing of mindshackles scarabs. See a price increase in your flyer and barges.

Milk that gravy train. Other stuff will get better but current builds is gonna get hurt.

 Red Corsair wrote:

ungros wrote:
The woerst thing is, that ther won´t be a new Codex this year....

Really, if I were I cron player I'd milk that gravy train as long as it lasts. I expect a lot of changes in that book.

This.

It's only worse for non-necron players.

Holy mother of the emperor... more Tyranid love coming!?

Calling it now- Plastic Dominatrix and dual Hierodule(barbed and scythed) kit!

A Dominatrix LoW would be so cool...

No Codex? No problem!

Well, apart from the needed FAQs... but we all know that GW can't be bothered with actual rule clarifications. They favour the truncating and lobotomizing of the simplest rules in lieu of acting upon the distinctions between RAW & RAI.
ala:
"Hey GW, mind to clarify whether MiTM works from a CCB?"
"Sorry kids, new rule: SCs can't ride in CCBs"

What to expect from a 7th ed 'Cron Codex: Tesla Carbines Str 5, AP -, Soulfire

wow if GW start releasing boxes with rules inside then that's gonna be pretty weird

They already have- several fortifications had them.

ungros wrote:
bad news from Lords of War Gaming via facebook.....

"Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released. Also Tyranids will see the release of two large bugs. The rules for their models will be in the box like the Nagash release. This is also just a model release for the Tyranids, no codex.

Lastly the Blood angels will be released at the end of the year."
( https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming )

this sounds bad......

I am strangely ok with this

Huh, didn't see this coming...
D

Yay Nids! I hope it's a LOW option than is 400 pts or less. That would be sweet.

Hahahaha... the barges must sell WAY too well...

Barges have always been selling really well... but before the current codex came out, Monoliths were selling really well.
I wonder how those planning meetings at GW go?
"So this model is selling really well at the moment. Perhaps too well... Gentlemen, I propose we nerf the rules on this thing in the next book so no one wants to buy it anymore!"
*round of applause*

 skoffs wrote:
Barges have always been selling really well... but before the current codex came out, Monoliths were selling really well.
I wonder how those planning meetings at GW go?
"So this model is selling really well at the moment. Perhaps too well... Gentlemen, I propose we nerf the rules on this thing in the next book so no one wants to buy it anymore!"
*round of applause*

No, no... it's probably more like... stocks of this model are running low. Make more? No, let's make them buy this other thing that's been gathering dust.

Last week i heard from a GW staffer that the rough plan for several next editions are already under construction and partly ready, to plan how to shift sales from units and unit types for each edition.
This is also usefull to be able to know what to design next.
So the rules design does not follow the model, but also the other way around: models of a specific type are designed because that is what will be good next.
Especially in WH40K at least half a year before a new ruleset, some of the "new good" units were put to market.

I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Don't mind the release of just a single model and an updated Codex. At least it's something new. Rather than that we'd have to wait till the 8th edition or something for a complete overhaul, GW is now at least updating their ranges sort of. Kinda similar to what they did with the Dark Eldar.

 Kelly502 wrote:
I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Once again, no, it is still there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Necrons-EN

Hmm... Overlord Character... rules in box? Are we getting "The Silent King", with rules to make Praetorians playable?

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Ok ... what...just... what?! We have a ton of options for models to use as Necron Lords/overlords - and only one crappy failcast Cryptek with no weapon/gear options and they decide to release a new Necron Lord model?

I say again... WHAT??!

lol Gw.

Exalted for perfect avatar-post match.

Until I see pictures from a White Dwarf I believe nothing. Though, I figured that they'd at least get the Crons and BA done this year so everything (except SoB) was up to snuff.

We could get a new Lord model, like the Orks got a the New Gorkanaught, Morkanaught kit. Thn 3-4 weeks later the codex will drop.

Blood Angels and Necrons! Woot!! What a great finish to the year!


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 RivenSkull wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Once again, no, it is still there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Necrons-EN

Odd I triple checked that bad boy before I posted, I must have selective "seeing"...

 Kelly502 wrote:
Blood Angels and Necrons! Woot!! What a great finish to the year!


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 RivenSkull wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Once again, no, it is still there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Necrons-EN

Odd I triple checked that bad boy before I posted, I must have selective "seeing"...

Only the digital English version and French physical version are available on the Canadian store....

I'm really hoping we see the 'Crons come out as rumoured.

 anticitizen013 wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
Blood Angels and Necrons! Woot!! What a great finish to the year!


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 RivenSkull wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Once again, no, it is still there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Necrons-EN

Odd I triple checked that bad boy before I posted, I must have selective "seeing"...

Only the digital English version and French physical version are available on the Canadian store....

I'm really hoping we see the 'Crons come out as rumoured.

... did you try clicking on the link in the quote you just posted?
(Failing that, try doing a search for "Necrons" on the webstore)

Canada and the USA are different countries, so while it appears in the US store, it does not in the Canadian.

 anticitizen013 wrote:
Canada and the USA are different countries, so while it appears in the US store, it does not in the Canadian.

Then what is this?
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Codex-Necrons-EN
That is on the Canadian store.

Note that it is not listed under the Necron section, but a simple search for "Codex: Necrons" brings it up. It has been this way for quite some time now, as mentioned many times already in this thread and others.

 skoffs wrote:

 anticitizen013 wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
Blood Angels and Necrons! Woot!! What a great finish to the year!


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 RivenSkull wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
I just checked the GW website, only the electronic Necron Codex is available now.

Once again, no, it is still there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Codex-Necrons-EN

Odd I triple checked that bad boy before I posted, I must have selective "seeing"...

Only the digital English version and French physical version are available on the Canadian store....

I'm really hoping we see the 'Crons come out as rumoured.

... did you try clicking on the link in the quote you just posted?
(Failing that, try doing a search for "Necrons" on the webstore)

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Codex-Necrons-JP here it is in the Japan store as well.

Yeah, it's on all of them.
It's always been on all of them.
The people who think it's been removed aren't looking in the right places.

Why is it not being listed with the rest of the army though?

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
Why is it not being listed with the rest of the army though?

Is it really that important?

All I'm seeing for necron rumours is just discussion over whether or not the codex is in the right place or not. M

It's on the website avaliable to be sold- moving on!

 Wilson wrote:
All I'm seeing for necron rumours is just discussion over whether or not the codex is in the right place or not. M

It's on the website avaliable to be sold- moving on!

Part of the reason I wanted to start this thread was to specifically quash that stupid "I CAN'T FIND THE CODEX, THAT MEANS NEW ONE INCOMING!" rumor that been going around ever since the idiots at the web store screwed up and made it hard to find,

I thought that by putting it in the top post with the other rumors that everyone would see it and that would be the end of that.
...
Apparently I was wrong.

via LoW facebook

A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex. You will also see the release of the third "End Times" book in January as well.

They will be here before you know it. It will be a release similar to the Grey Knights.

Sorry to derail the thread a bit, but what was the first end times book? That the Nagash stuff? Were there rumors of what the 3rd one is?

Was curious if they were planning to do all 4 gods or what.

Great news from Lords of War Gaming via facebook :

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex. You will also see the release of the third "End Times" book in January as well."

"Lords of War Gaming:They will be here before you know it. It will be a release similar to the Grey Knights."

https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming

I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

Whatever makes them the most money I imagine. Something pushing Tomblades and Destroyers I wonder. Maybe a return of the Monolith thanks to some tweaking and extra HS slots? Silent King and Praetorian shenanigans?

ORicK wrote:Last week i heard from a GW staffer that the rough plan for several next editions are already under construction and partly ready, to plan how to shift sales from units and unit types for each edition.
This is also usefull to be able to know what to design next.
So the rules design does not follow the model, but also the other way around: models of a specific type are designed because that is what will be good next.
Especially in WH40K at least half a year before a new ruleset, some of the "new good" units were put to market.

This is remarkable though. It's been claimed for ages naturally, but there it is, straight from the horses mouth.

 RedFox wrote:
via LoW facebook

It will be a release similar to the Grey Knights.

So, no new models, maybe something gets repackaged, and the codex gets chopped up?

Codex: Canoptek Swarm, all the rules you need to field an army of Spyders, Scarabs and Wraiths. Highly compatible with Codex: Necron Dynasties, use both these books to recreate your old armies from the last book.

 SilverDevilfish wrote:
Codex: Canoptek Swarm, all the rules you need to field an army of Spyders, Scarabs and Wraiths. Highly compatible with Codex: Necron Dynasties, use both these books to recreate your old armies from the last book.

Now this is a supplement I can get behind!

Regarding the FoC change, yeah, Dynastic hierarchy differences would make the most sense.
As in,
Take a Destroyer Lord (maybe even just a regular Lord or Cryptek, if they let us this time?) : you can take up to X
Take an Overlord : you can take up to X+Y
Take a Phaeron : you can take X+Y+Z

Guess we'll find out in a couple months, if Lords Of Wargaming is to believed.

 RedFox wrote:
They will be here before you know it. It will be a release similar to the Grey Knights.

Oh, so another "Diet Codex".

Wonderful.

There's nothing wrong with that this time.
The Necron codex already has plenty of stuff in it, the only problem was the internal balance (half the book is incredible, the other half is utter crap).

If it was a rebalancing, I have a feeling most people wouldn't actually mind that... so long as they don't utterly wreck things.

I'm really hoping we don't get a new dex this month. To put out two (rushed) codexes in one month would be a bit much. I'd much prefer them to take a little time and make a xenos dex that doesn't cause extreme rage than push out two now.

I predict that something will happen with the C'tan. They have the exact opposite problem of a lot of characters. The Nightbringer and The Deceiver are named units, with distinct models, but don't have distinct rules. The listed rules are to make any shard - not just those two.

Also, I just started collecting my army and don't want to have to plan for a shift already.

The dex has probably been finished for a while. So this idea of 'rushed' is just silly. Whether it comes out now, or in 3 months, will make no difference what so ever.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

Hoping the LoW slot is required and the T. C'tan is cut and paste into the codex.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I wonder what the major FOC change will be.

Necrons have more Elites than anyone ever fields, so we could get more Elites slots.

Or the FOC changes could be rearranging who goes where.

Things that would be minor changes, but probably see models get played more often
Flayed ones moved to troops
Triarch Praetorians moved to Fast Attack
Royal Court Choices as actual HQ slot choices
Slotless scarab swarm for each Spyder chosen
Slotless Destroyer unit for each Destroyer Lord
Slotless Lychguard unit for each overlord

You sure? My Blood Angels have more elites than the Necrons.
And Necrons might have quite a few Elites, but they hardly see play.
If anything they'd be happier with more Heavy Support slots.

I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

That would be.. insane :O

 Ghaz wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

even then I'd still rather put warriors in them - cheap scoring units are best anyway.

the actual flyer is the best part and when they move them to Fast, you'll be able to take 9 of them with 6 x 5 man unit of warriors at 1290 . (providing they don't change the points)

9 of them.



9!

Kangodo wrote:
You sure? My Blood Angels have more elites than the Necrons.
And Necrons might have quite a few Elites, but they hardly see play.
If anything they'd be happier with more Heavy Support slots.

As a Necron Player, I would prefer more heavy slots myself, but since the Elites are the most seldom used choices currently, and GW wants to sell us more models, I'm wagering they will find a way to make those choices more appealing.

Since people are talking about scythes, I could see Praetorians and Lychguard getting them as dedicated transports as well. It makes no sense that the melee oriented guys have to foot slog.

I call shenanigans on FOC swaps. They stopped doing them, plain and simple. Wish-listing about them won't make them happen outside of supplemental books and formations.
We may see more troop options... probably tombblades and flayed ones move to troops.

My problem is that our fluff has us being an ME, elite, shooting army with a history of successful combat against other ME and MC armies (other Dynasties and C'tan), and yet we struggle the most in killing ME and MC armies! Not sure how to fix that, but the humble Gauss Flayer is supposed to separate matter at the atomic level... maybe we should be the army toting around Rapid Fire, Str 8 ap 5 infantry weapons? (dream there... sorry)

Stuff everyone will be shocked if they aren't in the codex.
Codex will be hardcover.
Codex will be the new dataslate format.
Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar
Scythes and Ghost Arks get their own entries (FA and HS, respectively)
Will include a Formation in the codex.
Will include Tactical Objective Cards.
Will include Necron specific Warlord traits.
Will include Necron Relics... likely 2 CC weapons and 2 ranged weapons plus 1-2 others. (I expect Ghostwalk Mantle and Empathic Obliterator (with reworked rules) to be in there).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
I'd almost bet money that the night scythes and/or ghost arks lose DT status and get moved.

It'll keep DT and get moved to fast attack so even more can be spammed.

Probably, but the only units that its transport capacity would benefit would be a handful of Necron units (Triarch Praetorians, Flayed Ones, Canoptek Wraiths, Destroyers and Tomb Blades) that don't have a Night Scythe as a dedicated transport since Necrons don't have any battle brothers.

Aren't bikes , jet[pack and jump troops disallowed from embarking in transports in the core rules now anyway? I am betting the NS loses the 15 man capacity and jumps up to 140 minimum if not 160 and I honestly would not be surprised if it becomes a FA choice. Sounds like a lot of shifting but those things were definitely not designed for flier rules when they were written.

Pure speculation but I could see them getting a rule where necron units can DS off of them as the invasion beam rule but not truly transported by them as well. Basically how the monolith works.

At any rate I expect the fliers, chariots, MSS and tesla to be obvious things on the chopping/nerfing block. Aside from that I bet crypteks and lords just become either or unit leaders and that's basically it (see wolf guard).

 Red Corsair wrote:
Aren't bikes , jet pack and jump troops disallowed from embarking in transports in the core rules now anyway?

Yes, the core rules do only permit infantry to embark on transports. However the rules for the Night Scythe allow it to transport jump infantry or jet bikes as well.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Not so... Dark Eldar can take the Revenant Titan, as per the rules in Escalation, but I take your meaning. They have no PLASTIC Lord of War kits... Orks have Stompas, and they were included. Ghaz, Logan, and Drago were also made LOW (poor Ghazzy getting the short end of that stick).

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

GW's past behaviour is not a reliable mechanism for predicting future behaviour.

D

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

Oh, you mean you will have to take fliers for AA like almost every other army now?

 extremefreak17 wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Something to keep in mind... most of our non-forgeworld/non-LOW anti-air relies on extra tesla hits. If the expected change to tesla and snapshots, we'll be very exposed to fliers (at least without spaming fliers of our own).

Oh, you mean you will have to take fliers for AA like almost every other army now?

You want necron players to take even more flyers?

Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

 skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Will include Lords of War in the codex. Maybe not, after Dark Eldar

The Dark Eldar don't have any LoWs. The Necrons have 3 Lords of War, I'd expect to see all of them in the Codex.

Agreed. It would give them a much needed chance to tone down the Transcendent C'Tan powers/weapons, and beef up the Obelisk to make it worthwhile- its currently a giant Monolith with better guns but no portal and far weaker armor.

The Stompa was cut and pasted into the Ork codex. I don't foresee them making any changes to the necron LoW.

GW's past behaviour is not a reliable mechanism for predicting future behaviour.

D

Go ahead and keep dreaming that to be true.

 evildrcheese wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

You didn't read the latest from Lords Of Wargaming?
Check the update on the top post about the FoC changes.
It's not very much to go on, but it's enough to speculate over.

How's about you copy paste them here, or post a link, so we can all read what your so excited about ?

... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

They have since amended that rumor by stating,

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

 skoffs wrote:
... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

They have since amended that rumor by stating,

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

I can only interpret the rumor as "changes from the current codex FOC" because we haven't seen any 6th or 7th codex that allows FOC swaps outside of formations.

Tomblades and Flayed ones to Troops? Praetorians to Fast Attack? Someone dreamed up of scarabs being non-slot when taken with Spyders, but it is possible. Crypteks moving to a non-slot (like ork Meks). Of course, Night Scythes will show up in the FA, and the Ghost Ark will probably be in Heavy Support.

Beyond that... if the different Dynasties have something like Chapter Tactics... wow. That will be a change from how 7th edition codices have been going so far.

Plus the idea of Necrons getting Dynasty rules before Chaos get Legion rules just boggles my mind...

is there anything noticeably different fluff wise between the dynasties to warrant FOC changes? I am not knowledgable in necron fluff

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus the idea of Necrons getting Dynasty rules before Chaos get Legion rules just boggles my mind...

But it wouldn't be GW if your mind isn't boggled by their decisions lol.

If the necrons get dynasty rules before CSM get legion rules, hopefully that's simply because of good timing on codex releases (why delay dynasty rules for them just because CSM don't have legion rules yet when legion rules are hypothetically planned for their next codex?)

....hopefully.

Honestly CSM should get warband rules or something instead of legion rules. Not every CSM is descended from the traitor legions after all. Loyalist marines to this day turn to Chaos sometimes. There's a whole chunk of them descended from loyalist primarchs that turned during the Abyssal Crusade for one thing.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
is there anything noticeably different fluff wise between the dynasties to warrant FOC changes? I am not knowledgable in necron fluff

I'd say so. Even in the current Codex they talk about how incredibly different Dynastic philosophies towards Xenos are. Some choose to consider them a blight needing to be wiped out... others consider them so far below the Necron as to not warrant attention... and a few will even acknowledge honor and potential in other races (thus explaining a couple "Desperate Allies" situations).

You could easily elaborate on things like that to create a few alt-FOCs and Tactics/Orders

Well, merely making an educated guess, but we might be able to take a look at the Apocalypse formations as well as the fluff to give us an idea of what to expect?

Solemnace could be infantry heavy (Trazyn appears to favor Lychguard, so maybe expanded elite slots/LG as objective secured?)
Sautekh could give some sort of bonus to deep strikers (Imotekh tends to be fond of setting up surprise traps for his enemies)
They could throw in some of the lesser ones, Thokt would be cool to see.

Regardless, the dynasty specific FoC changes are definitely the most intriguing element of this rumored new codex.
Can't wait until we get more info.

skoffs wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Can't wait to see how many different Dynasties they're gonna have, and which ones have what specialties.

I'm hoping for at least three in the main codex, then an extra one or two in supplements further down the line.

I'm guessing Solemnace and Sautekh are almost certain, with hopefully the Silent King gets some representation.

What do you mean? Like Chapter Tactics for the different Dynasties? Whilst that would be cool, I can't see it happening, other than SM I don't think any other faction has had sub faction specific special rules other than in supplements. Fluff sure.

You didn't read the latest from Lords Of Wargaming?
Check the update on the top post about the FoC changes.
It's not very much to go on, but it's enough to speculate over.

skoffs wrote:... Uhh, it's the top post of the thread you are currently commenting on.

 skoffs wrote:
Didn't see one active, so I thought I'd get the ball rolling... even though it's a little sparse at the moment.

+++

Bombshell from Lords of Wargaming on FB:

"Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released."

https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming
They've got a pretty good reputation for accurate rumor tracking, so all other rumors below may require liberal dashes of salt before consuming.

[UPDATE]
They have since amended that rumor by stating,

"A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

Continued in the comments, they state regarding the fluff, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."

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Bell of Lost Souls claims their source says the new 'Cron dex will be a minimal update, similar to the Gray Knights (no surprise there), but unlike the GK, there's supposedly a repackaging of the Destroyers: plastic, with bits to make both Heavy Destroyers AND Destroyer Lords. If the update makes Destroyers worth taking again, this could be an awesome addition.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/08/necrons-codex-whispers.html

The bigger surprise is how early the "above average" source claims the next codex will drop: week of Halloween .
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/10/guess-whos-next-for-40k.html

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Faeit has an anonymous source who also claims the Necrons are next... but they then go on to post a comment from a user that the current physical codex has been removed from the GW webstore.
http://natfka.blogspot.jp/2014/10/blood-angels-or-necrons.html

As of Oct 5th, the physical copy of the current (5th ed.) codex is still available via the webstore, so Faeit's info isn't exactly watertight.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/search/searchResults.jsp?searchTerm=necrons

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If anyone knows of any more info, post it here and I'll update the top post with it.

Other than mentioning there will a lot of changes and a mention of dynasties in the fluff, I'm not seeing anything that pointed towards special rules for each dynasty, anything remotely like chapter tactics, or details of any sort, that's why I asked you to point us to what you were referenceing.

Also, plenty of people, myself included, only read the new posts and do not constantly refer back to the OP.

"There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."

I'd bet on the major change being related to the Royal Court. Wolves lost the ability to split out the Wolf Guard into other squads, a mechanic that was nearly identical to how Royal Court worked, so I can see the Court changing as well.

Dynasties basically means:

a) Different FOC for each dynasty
b) 1+ special USR for each dynasty

 Sigvatr wrote:
Dynasties basically means:

a) Different FOC for each dynasty
b) 1+ special USR for each dynasty

Seems like it would make more sense to make several different dynasties as Formations, rather than FOCs.

I was under the impression they were doing away with FOC changes for 7th.

Formations sound more likely, but I have no clue.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I was under the impression they were doing away with FOC changes for 7th.

Formations sound more likely, but I have no clue.

The different battle-forged FOCs that are now at the back of the new 7th ed codices says otherwise.

Which begs the question, what will crons get? Perhaps a troop heavy FoC as a reference to silver tide?

Yea I meant the "Y makes the X unit counts as troops" FOC change.
I can see them getting more elite choices. Or heavy support.

I assume the 'major changes' to FOC rumour referred to units just being moved to a different slot, with nothing activating it. I.e it's a permanent shift in their battle field role.

I thin it's a safe bet Crons will get a special detachment type with extra slots like every other codex too.

D

Ah, that makes sense (there's going to be a lot of disgruntled players if Flayed Ones aren't in Troops, after all).

Though that bit about, "There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies." is very interesting.
It does suggest something along the lines of dynasty specific bonuses/limitations, perhaps somewhat akin to chapter tactics.
Of all the rumors thus far, this is the one I want to see more about the most.

JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

 Sigvatr wrote:

JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

Terrible: C'Tan, Lychguard, and Flayed Ones
Awesome: Deathmarks
Somewhat useful: Praetorians and Triarch Stalker

Did I get your split right?

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

JuniorRS13 wrote:

I can see them getting more elite choices.

...or just non-trashy elite choices

Yeah, much like the previous codex, the current elite roster isn't great.
Out of 6 choices, 3 are terrible, 1 is awesome, and 2 are somewhat useful, but still bad.

Terrible: C'Tan, Lychguard, and Flayed Ones
Awesome: Deathmarks
Somewhat useful: Praetorians and Triarch Stalker

Did I get your split right?

Yep, exactly.

Sorry... I hid the rest of this post because it was too much of a wishlist.
I'll repeat though, I don't think that we will see any FOC swaps in the codex (meaning, taking one selection moves a unit from one FOC slot to another). The only one we've seen so far was in the Sentinels of Terra supplemental codex... and even then it was for the whole book.

Don't wishlist please. It's a sure way to get the thread locked for not actually being about N&R

I find it hard to believe that the dynasties will be all that diverse or different, beyond MAYBE a simple FOC swap (such and such a dynasty has elites mandatory instead of troops, or something).

Orks have very distinct klans in the fluff, and absolutely nothing came of that. Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves all have them too, to a lesser extent. I mean I think it'd be really cool if they were very different, but it's just quite far out of line with the trends of the edition, and so far (to my knowledge) not a single codex has deviated from the trend in any significant way.

Wellllllll, I just got this from Lords Of Wargaming (they replied to a comment on that most recent Necron tidbit):

I can't be too specific, but the dynasties will allow certain units to be taken and given certain bonuses.

Doesn't exactly answer the question, but definitely looking like "Dynasty Tactics" might be a real thing if this rumor pans out.
VERY excited for the potential.

Maynarkh Dynasty:

- FO standard
- All units gain Fear

Dynasty motto: "Yeah, we're bad."

Expecting something like this.

Someone should ask whether RP remain the same, or if they're being 'simplified' to FnP. If it came down to it, I'd sacrifice Tesla just to keep RP.

As Reanimation Protocols and We'll Be Back before it were the most quintessential thing about Necrons (they get back up), I doubt they'd strip that from them.

So, it sounds like the supplement might be of various dynasties and not just one? Each "bigger" dynasty with a formation granting some unique rules set or ability.

I'd like to see more info on this, seems very interesting

Might not even be a supplement - might be the Necron version of Chapter Tactics.

Probably the necron version of chapter tactics, the way it's described. I dunno just how different most dynasties are from each other though. The Maynarkh dynasty is insanely different but they already have their own Forgeworld separate army list.

...honestly, I can't even remember most of the Dynasties besides the Sautekh Dynasty, of which like, what, 80% of the Necron special characters belong to in the first place.

Well, there's the Severed, but I'm not sure that can count as a dynasty.

Don't get your hopes up too high, Phaerons. Don't forget that the Dynasty Tactics are accompanied by supposed "major" FoC changes.

Space Marine Chapter Tactics are basically free bonuses. Some might encourage you to take certain units (Bikes being a no-brainer for White Scars, for example), but they were no more invasive than that.

I suspect that these Dynasty rules will straight up DISALLOW other units, much like the Coven supplement. For example maybe particular dynasties are only allowed their specialty units, at the exclusion of others.

I think the coven supplement was cool and I think Dynasty tactics are also going to be cool, just saying I think one should expect something like that.

Well you have
Generic Crons
Triarch Crons
Canoptek units
Crazy Flayed Ones

A force of all Canoptek units could be a fluffy, before the True Necrons awake kind of force.

A Triarch heavy force, maybe dissalows the crazies and critters ?

A flayed one force would have to have enough special rules to make them be awesome, to get anyone to fork over for all that failcast.

 adamsouza wrote:
Well you have
Generic Crons
Triarch Crons
Canoptek units
Crazy Flayed Ones

A force of all Canoptek units could be a fluffy, before the True Necrons awake kind of force.

A Triarch heavy force, maybe dissalows the crazies and critters ?

A flayed one force would have to have enough special rules to make them be awesome, to get anyone to fork over for all that failcast.

Yeah, but a ton of those units are made to work in support of each other.

"Lots a units that work together? Lets make sure they can't do that"

 RivenSkull wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Well you have
Generic Crons
Triarch Crons
Canoptek units
Crazy Flayed Ones

A force of all Canoptek units could be a fluffy, before the True Necrons awake kind of force.

A Triarch heavy force, maybe dissalows the crazies and critters ?

A flayed one force would have to have enough special rules to make them be awesome, to get anyone to fork over for all that failcast.

Yeah, but a ton of those units are made to work in support of each other.

"Lots a units that work together? Lets make sure they can't do that"

Unless they update the unit entries so they are not so heavily dependent on other units as backup.

Also, don't forget the Destroyer Cults!
Can you imagine? The hosts of the Red Harvest, lead by Executioner Ezandrakh?
Solemnace and Sautekh be damned! Let the galaxy be turned to ash!

 skoffs wrote:

Unless they update the unit entries so they are not so heavily dependent on other units as backup.

Also, don't forget the Destroyer Cults!
Can you imagine? The hosts of the Red Harvest, lead by Executioner Ezandrakh?
Solemnace and Sautekh be damned! Let the galaxy be turned to ash!

You expect them to update the units?

All I expect are special rule nerfs, a few point increases, wraiths getting a 4++ armor, and splitting up the units into other supplements.

The consensus seems to be there will be price increases (eg. Night Scythe), price decreases (eg. Destroyers), stat buffs (eg. C'tan), stat nerfs (eg. Wraiths), slot changes (eg. Flayed Ones), new Warlord table, wargear switch around (something bad happen to MSS, but some sort of anti psyker tech added), and the introduction of these new "Dynasty tactics" (bonuses and restrictions, depending on which Necron Dynasty you decide you build your army around).

Granted, most of these are merely educated guesses on the part of the community as a whole, but it would be pretty surprising if the writers drastically deviated from those guesses.

I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

LoW has a good track record though, and I doubt they'd put out information unless they were REALLY sure that the info is accurate.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

LoW has a good track record though, and I doubt they'd put out information unless they were REALLY sure that the info is accurate.

Agreed. If this turned out to be fake, it would hurt their otherwise stellar reputation.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

LoW has a good track record though, and I doubt they'd put out information unless they were REALLY sure that the info is accurate.

Then it probably doesn't mean what many think it does because GW has really worked hard to remove any fineflavor™ from each codex before release resulting in many special rules being removed and/or replaced with big rulebook USRs. Additionally, all the "X HQ = FOC shenanigans" have been removed as well, except for dataslates to some extent.

The rumor could simply mean that some units have been completely reworked or moved to different slots.

I just realized they took down the 2010 release Dark Eldar Archon and Succubus after they released the new plastic versions. I guess this confirms that they want to phase out finecast like metal now, but... Those were some really good models. Hate to see them go. If I were an Orks player I'd buy that old painboy with the separated grot orderly before they're out of stock. The same with pretty much every Commissar model aside from the new one if I were an IG player.

I can see this going the same way as the DE. With the Coven you have all elites and no troop requirements but you don't have any fast or OS units. I see a pattern developing here hehe

I dunno, man,

"There will be a major change to FoC in this codex."
"There will be a lot of stuff covering the Dynasties. This is important because they will affect how you can build your armies."
"I can't be too specific, but the dynasties will allow certain units to be taken and given certain bonuses."

Sounds like a pretty decent change up. Definitely more than a simple "move unit A to category B" switch around, if choosing a Dynasty will affect they way you can build your army/what bonuses you are granted.


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Also, someone elsewhere raised an interesting point:
"If the current power army is Eldar, and GW wanted to do something to knock them down a peg, wouldn't using their arch nemesis, the Necrons, be a good way of doing so?"
Now, granted, that would mean GW using some measure of sense (something they're not exactly known for), but it could heavily depend on who wrote the book.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

Quoted for Truth


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 skoffs wrote:

Also, someone elsewhere raised an interesting point:
"If the current power army is Eldar, and GW wanted to do something to knock them down a peg, wouldn't using their arch nemesis, the Necrons, be a good way of doing so?"
Now, granted, that would mean GW using some measure of sense (something they're not exactly known for), but it could heavily depend on who wrote the book.

Ok, we have scarabs... who could possibly take out wave serpents if they survive the eldar alpha strike... but we still struggle to kill anything with Wraith in the name. Once again I complain that Necrons, as ancients, haven't figured out how to kill MC's (after we've taken down all the C'Tan) nor 3+ armor (after the wars against other Necrons, Eldar, and the Old Ones)?

 adamsouza wrote:
A flayed one force would have to have enough special rules to make them be awesome, to get anyone to fork over for all that failcast.

DE Mandrakes were in the same terrible boat as Flayed Ones before, but they threw enough special rules at them that Mandrakes are no longer terrible (wyches took over that job)
Flayed Ones will probably pick up Fear and say Move through cover. Maybe drop an attack but gain rending.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
A flayed one force would have to have enough special rules to make them be awesome, to get anyone to fork over for all that failcast.

DE Mandrakes were in the same terrible boat as Flayed Ones before, but they threw enough special rules at them that Mandrakes are no longer terrible (wyches took over that job)
Flayed Ones will probably pick up Fear and say Move through cover. Maybe drop an attack but gain rending.

Rending might be a bit much. Shred would probably be a bit more reasonable, as well as fitting with the fluff.
Fear + the option to give them Shred, in addition to their current rules (deep strike, infiltrate, reanimation protocols) would be enough to make them worth considering. Make them troops as well and you're gonna be seeing a lot more Flayed Ones on tables.


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... speculating doesn't count as wishlisting, right?
(don't want to get the thread locked)

This thread is basically 99% wishlisting. So here let me add some practical guesses:

Any one thinking necrons will get major buffs is dreaming.

MSS will vanish

Crypteks/lords become either or unit leader upgrades while court vanishes.

Tesla will become living lightning

AB's go up while doomsday arks drop in pts

Night scythes will go up in points and become FA making ghost arcs the number one transport option.

Death-ray gets 100% rework since it's too absurd rules wise.

Invasion beams will use reserves much like monolyths

CCB's will probably get their own entry besides destroyer lords and overlords rather then be an upgrade and will have extremely limited options I am guessing. Read, no phase shifter.

Living metal becomes IWND

RP will probably change again, it has never stayed the same now in three printings. Best guess? Probably FnP 5+ res orbs make it a 4+ for unit. Everliving gains it will not die/EW.

Monolyths, c'tan and flayed ones remain useless or over priced or useless and over priced.

Add some form of formation + a detachment along with Phaeron edition printing that contains a dynasty supplement 2 weeks early for a meager 300 bucks.

People will cry bloody murder but in the end Necrons will measure up really well with the other 7th releases that have largely toned down power creep.

Anyone expecting let alone wanting Necrons to over power Eldar is asking for a Joseph Stalin to over throw Adolf Hitler. Lets hope they get a solid release and once everyone has had an update they rework Eldar instead.

Stalin did overthrow Hitler.

I don't believe any hardcover codex has been nerfed as hard as people are predicting the Necron codex will.

What does the Necron codex have got going for it ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (which isn't great, just the most useful weapon to snapfire)
Death Ray (which isn't great, just most useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (which works like the SW chariot)

What do Necron critics want to see nerfed ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (Beacause it's useful when snap firing)
Death Ray (Becasue it's useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (becasue it gets a ++ save from the overlord)

Lots of wishlisting here. But no one can really predict. The truth is that GW is a fluff designer first and a game designer second, which means anything goes, and no one can predict.

I think those of you who are thinking that GW will lay some giant nerfhammer on necrons are kidding themselves. It just doesn't make business sense to write a codex that will reduce sales. There will be buffs and nerfs for sure, but not just nerfs.

The only thing that one can say for sure is that a necron player will have to replace 33-50% of his army to stay competitive when the new codex hits and I don't have a problem with that. It's just the way it goes. GW has got to sell models and don't mislead yourself into thinking that a new codex is anything except a mover of models first and foremost. Again, I don't have a problem with that. I like collecting necrons and expanding my collection and exploring new strategies.

So what am I going to have to get? Monoliths? doomsday arks? flayed ones? stalkers? praetorians? lych guards? c'tan shards? destroyers?

And what's going on the shelf? Wraiths? Annihilation barges? Scarabs? Deathmarks? Spyders?

The other thing that will almost for sure happen is that Night Scythes will become an FA choice in addition to a dedicated transport. Seems to be the 7th edition trend these days with all the drop pods and web way portals going around.

And after all that shuffling around will the necron be more powerful or less powerful? The best business decision for GW to make is to place necrons a little above space marines in potency which is approximately where they are right now. So meditate on that all you giant necron nerfhammer wishlisters.

Anyone remember how far before the Gray Knights codex came out that the leaks started coming through?
I'm just trying to figure out when abouts we should be expecting to see concrete details for 'Crons.
(eg. "If the most reliable rumor mongers place the dex as Jan '15, we should start seeing leaks around _____.")

In the mean time, any new non-wishlisting info will continue to get added to the top post as it trickles through.

following what they did with the dark eldar kabalite raiding party formation and the special 6 FA slot foc, i suspect cron will probably similarly get their own special foc (maybe 2) and a formation or two. the idea that we'll get lots and lots of different representations for this dynasty thing seems unlikely.

in this way they'll likely keep flayed ones as elites, but make it possible to essentially field them as troops like what the haemonculus covens supplement did for wracks.

 skoffs wrote:
The consensus seems to be there will be price increases (eg. Night Scythe), price decreases (eg. Destroyers), stat buffs (eg. C'tan), stat nerfs (eg. Wraiths), slot changes (eg. Flayed Ones), new Warlord table, wargear switch around (something bad happen to MSS, but some sort of anti psyker tech added), and the introduction of these new "Dynasty tactics" (bonuses and restrictions, depending on which Necron Dynasty you decide you build your army around).

Granted, most of these are merely educated guesses on the part of the community as a whole, but it would be pretty surprising if the writers drastically deviated from those guesses.

The shards need more than a stat buff. What made The Nightbringer and The Deceiver good (among many, many other things) was having T8 which made them immune to small arm weapons (you couldn't wound T8 with S4). Since you now can wound anything with anything, that's a huge difference.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I think the Dynasty tactics are fake, personally.

GW will give them formations and call it a day, imo. "You want special fluffy rules? Take a formation. You want FoC shenanigans like making X troops? Play Unbound." says GW.

Quoted for Truth


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 skoffs wrote:

Also, someone elsewhere raised an interesting point:
"If the current power army is Eldar, and GW wanted to do something to knock them down a peg, wouldn't using their arch nemesis, the Necrons, be a good way of doing so?"
Now, granted, that would mean GW using some measure of sense (something they're not exactly known for), but it could heavily depend on who wrote the book.

Ok, we have scarabs... who could possibly take out wave serpents if they survive the eldar alpha strike... but we still struggle to kill anything with Wraith in the name. Once again I complain that Necrons, as ancients, haven't figured out how to kill MC's (after we've taken down all the C'Tan) nor 3+ armor (after the wars against other Necrons, Eldar, and the Old Ones)?

We have the perfect unit for taking down things with wraith in the name, they call themselves Deathmarks and they wound those things with wraith in their name on a 2+ and rend on a 6. None of those things with wraith in the name have invul saves.


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 skoffs wrote:
Anyone remember how far before the Gray Knights codex came out that the leaks started coming through?
I'm just trying to figure out when abouts we should be expecting to see concrete details for 'Crons.
(eg. "If the most reliable rumor mongers place the dex as Jan '15, we should start seeing leaks around _____.")

In the mean time, any new non-wishlisting info will continue to get added to the top post as it trickles through.

Based on every other Codex release, the week of the release will be when we see the best information. Honestly, anything before that is iffy at best.

 skoffs wrote:

• FoC changes coming for the codex. Focus on different Dynasties making different lists (bonuses granted, certain units "allowed", etc.)

Not buying it. They could have done the same thing with Ork clans and they didn't. I also believe that the days of certain units making other units into troops is also over. They are doing that to make people get used to running unbound.

 Davespil wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

• FoC changes coming for the codex. Focus on different Dynasties making different lists (bonuses granted, certain units "allowed", etc.)

Not buying it. They could have done the same thing with Ork clans and they didn't. I also believe that the days of certain units making other units into troops is also over. They are doing that to make people get used to running unbound.

Not to play Devil's Advocate here but, isn't funny that it was "okay" to field elites/FA/heavy as troops last edition, as long as you had a certain HQ wtih a special rule, but people lose their mind if you play the same army in 7th because it's unbound ?

Seriously, you could field the same list, and people will automatically turn up their nose at it simply because it 'unbound'.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Stalin did overthrow Hitler.

Exactly


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 xandermacleod wrote:
following what they did with the dark eldar kabalite raiding party formation and the special 6 FA slot foc, i suspect cron will probably similarly get their own special foc (maybe 2) and a formation or two. the idea that we'll get lots and lots of different representations for this dynasty thing seems unlikely.

in this way they'll likely keep flayed ones as elites, but make it possible to essentially field them as troops like what the haemonculus covens supplement did for wracks.

Well to clarify, the coven supplement makes nothing troops. It simply lifts the requirement and in fact option to take troops altogether. There is a pretty big difference.


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 adamsouza wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

• FoC changes coming for the codex. Focus on different Dynasties making different lists (bonuses granted, certain units "allowed", etc.)

Not buying it. They could have done the same thing with Ork clans and they didn't. I also believe that the days of certain units making other units into troops is also over. They are doing that to make people get used to running unbound.

Not to play Devil's Advocate here but, isn't funny that it was "okay" to field elites/FA/heavy as troops last edition, as long as you had a certain HQ wtih a special rule, but people lose their mind if you play the same army in 7th because it's unbound ?

Seriously, you could field the same list, and people will automatically turn up their nose at it simply because it 'unbound'.

Yea, and GW will continue to push this issue. Aside from formations in some supplements etc. I don't expect to see anymore FOC shifts for a long time.

Slightly off topic but this is going to make chaos very interesting when they get an update.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Davespil wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

• FoC changes coming for the codex. Focus on different Dynasties making different lists (bonuses granted, certain units "allowed", etc.)

Not buying it. They could have done the same thing with Ork clans and they didn't. I also believe that the days of certain units making other units into troops is also over. They are doing that to make people get used to running unbound.

Not to play Devil's Advocate here but, isn't funny that it was "okay" to field elites/FA/heavy as troops last edition, as long as you had a certain HQ wtih a special rule, but people lose their mind if you play the same army in 7th because it's unbound ?

Seriously, you could field the same list, and people will automatically turn up their nose at it simply because it 'unbound'.

Yeap, when I play my ork bike list consisting of nothing but Fast Attack people will roll their eyes, but I was able to do it last edition...

 adamsouza wrote:
I don't believe any hardcover codex has been nerfed as hard as people are predicting the Necron codex will.

What does the Necron codex have got going for it ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (which isn't great, just the most useful weapon to snapfire)
Death Ray (which isn't great, just most useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (which works like the SW chariot)

What do Necron critis want to see nerfed ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (Beacause it's useful when snap firing)
Death Ray (Becasue it's useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (becasue it gets a ++ save from the overlord)

As a non Necron player (who despises the cheese of the Tran CTan and TL Tesla working better when jinking, making it a straight bonus rather than a tradeoff)

Reanimation Protocol- I don't want it nerfed. It's not a problem at all, just a tad complicated. FNP would simplify it, but remove the flavor, though they did exactly that to Dark Eldar, so I wouldn't be surprised if GW did make that change.

Scythes- Have three things goin for them that break the normal rules of (flying) transports- they can disembark troops after moving far more than 6 inches, if they are shot down there is no risk ti the contents, and their TL tesla means that they get statistically more hits if they choose to jink than if they didn't, making a defensive tradeoff of less firepower for more defense a straight buff. The first two are annoying, but do fit the Necron theme. The third problem would be easily fixed by changing tesla.

MSS- with the challenge mechanics, MSS is extremely strong, and penalizes an enemy character for being more powerful rather in close combat. It may be one of the Necron things they have going for them, but it is also an extremely strong crutch that the opponent can do little or nothing about, like Psybolts or Psychotroke grenades were for Grey Knights. If it dropped the character to WS1 on a fail, that would be somewhat strong, but far less frustrating to go up against.

Annhilation Barges- Bein able to Jink and get more hits than if they didn't jink is stupid. Fix Tesla, fix them.

Tesla- Unlike other special rules that take effect on a to-hit of a six, Tesla continues to work even when snapshooting. Why> What makes it so special? It leads to odd results like TL tesla granting statistically more hits when forced to snapfire than when firing normally. Change Tesla to shock (same effect, but does not work on snapfire) and it both brings it in line with the other special rules, but fixes some of the problem units in the book- Ann barges and the scythes.

Death Ray- I don't see the problem. Maybe clean up the wording a bit? Hurting invisible is not a bad thing, as Invisible needs fixed itself. At the least, Invisible needs to be a ML3 power.

Command Barge is a problem because of all the interactions- it gets a ++ save from the leader, can choose to put all the S4 or less on the vehicle and thus fully ignore them, while putting stronger hits that could hurt the barge but barely touch the lord on the lord. Fantasy seems to be moving towards a combined profile for monstrous mounts and riders, Chariots ought to do the same, or become a specific unit type, rather than a hybrid infantry/vehicle. Make a chariot work similar to say bikes, where they grant a tough bonus, change the speed and movement profiles, and have some other special rules. Walkers are already problematic to balance as vehicles, chariots are even worse. But that is something that should change for chariots, not specifically the CCB.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Weren't those all really old models, that by today's standards are "hideous"? Obviously some people still like them, but most kitbashed their own. The necron ones are all brand new to the 5th codex. I don't think you'll see those disappear. GW isn't that stupid.

I loved Marbo, and he was what always made me want to play IG & 40k originally. Which is ironic, because I thought the Catachan models looked like garbage and loved the Voystroyans(sp?) I could never get my hands on.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I don't believe any hardcover codex has been nerfed as hard as people are predicting the Necron codex will.

What does the Necron codex have got going for it ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (which isn't great, just the most useful weapon to snapfire)
Death Ray (which isn't great, just most useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (which works like the SW chariot)

What do Necron critis want to see nerfed ?
Reanimation Protocol
Scythes
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Anhilation Barges
Telsa (Beacause it's useful when snap firing)
Death Ray (Becasue it's useful against invisibile)
Command Barge (becasue it gets a ++ save from the overlord)

As a non Necron player (who despises the cheese of the Tran CTan and TL Tesla working better when jinking, making it a straight bonus rather than a tradeoff)

Reanimation Protocol- I don't want it nerfed. It's not a problem at all, just a tad complicated. FNP would simplify it, but remove the flavor, though they did exactly that to Dark Eldar, so I wouldn't be surprised if GW did make that change.

Scythes- Have three things goin for them that break the normal rules of (flying) transports- they can disembark troops after moving far more than 6 inches, if they are shot down there is no risk ti the contents, and their TL tesla means that they get statistically more hits if they choose to jink than if they didn't, making a defensive tradeoff of less firepower for more defense a straight buff. The first two are annoying, but do fit the Necron theme. The third problem would be easily fixed by changing tesla.

MSS- with the challenge mechanics, MSS is extremely strong, and penalizes an enemy character for being more powerful rather in close combat. It may be one of the Necron things they have going for them, but it is also an extremely strong crutch that the opponent can do little or nothing about, like Psybolts or Psychotroke grenades were for Grey Knights. If it dropped the character to WS1 on a fail, that would be somewhat strong, but far less frustrating to go up against.

Annhilation Barges- Bein able to Jink and get more hits than if they didn't jink is stupid. Fix Tesla, fix them.

Tesla- Unlike other special rules that take effect on a to-hit of a six, Tesla continues to work even when snapshooting. Why> What makes it so special? It leads to odd results like TL tesla granting statistically more hits when forced to snapfire than when firing normally. Change Tesla to shock (same effect, but does not work on snapfire) and it both brings it in line with the other special rules, but fixes some of the problem units in the book- Ann barges and the scythes.

Death Ray- I don't see the problem. Maybe clean up the wording a bit? Hurting invisible is not a bad thing, as Invisible needs fixed itself. At the least, Invisible needs to be a ML3 power.

Command Barge is a problem because of all the interactions- it gets a ++ save from the leader, can choose to put all the S4 or less on the vehicle and thus fully ignore them, while putting stronger hits that could hurt the barge but barely touch the lord on the lord. Fantasy seems to be moving towards a combined profile for monstrous mounts and riders, Chariots ought to do the same, or become a specific unit type, rather than a hybrid infantry/vehicle. Make a chariot work similar to say bikes, where they grant a tough bonus, change the speed and movement profiles, and have some other special rules. Walkers are already problematic to balance as vehicles, chariots are even worse. But that is something that should change for chariots, not specifically the CCB.

Tesla doesn't work better when snap firing. You average 1.333 hits per shot normally and 0.917 hits per shot snap firing.

Chariots were designed with their ability to ignore small arms fire in mind. Welcome to 7th. I doubt they will make changes that were specifically introduced in 7th.

I love how everyone wants the only things that keep Necrons from being utterly garbage nerfed.

Problem: Necrons suck at CC.
Solution: give them an ability that makes a character not suck at CC.
Remove said ability and they will go back to sucking at CC.

Problem: Necrons have no dedicated AA defenses.
Solution: give them a gun that is effective against airborne threats.
Remove said gun's effectiveness and Necrons become super vulnerable to flyers (unless they bring tons of their own flyers).

Etc.

As I've mentioned earlier in the thread, I think the calls for nerfing are disproportionate to what will realistically be adjusted.

 skoffs wrote:

Problem: Necrons have no dedicated AA defenses.
Solution: give them a gun that is effective against airborne threats.

Triarch Stalkers are suppossed to have advanced targeting arrays. Giving them optional Skyfire would possibly help address the lack of AA, and possibly see them be used more often.

 skoffs wrote:
I love how everyone wants the only things that keep Necrons from being utterly garbage nerfed.

Problem: Necrons suck at CC.
Solution: give them an ability that makes a character not suck at CC.
Remove said ability and they will go back to sucking at CC.

Problem: Necrons have no dedicated AA defenses.
Solution: give them a gun that is effective against airborne threats.
Remove said gun's effectiveness and Necrons become super vulnerable to flyers (unless they bring tons of their own flyers).

Etc.

Problem: Dark Eldar suck at survivability
Solution: Give them an ability to make them more survivable
Reduce effectiveness of said ability returns them to having survivability issues

Problem: Dark Eldar have no dedicated AA defenses.
Solution: Never give them a gun that is effective against airborne threats.
As it never existed said gun's effectiveness left Dark Eldar super vulnerable to flyers (unless they bring tons of their own flyers).


Sadly your argument, though logical, will not help the Necrons any more than it did the Dark Eldar.

 skoffs wrote:
I love how everyone wants the only things that keep Necrons from being utterly garbage nerfed.

Problem: Necrons suck at CC.
Solution: give them an ability that makes a character not suck at CC.
Remove said ability and they will go back to sucking at CC.

Problem: Necrons have no dedicated AA defenses.
Solution: give them a gun that is effective against airborne threats.
Remove said gun's effectiveness and Necrons become super vulnerable to flyers (unless they bring tons of their own flyers).

Etc.

1. Remind everyone how wraiths, destroyer lords, spyders and scarabs suck at close combat again?

2. Now remind everyone how dedicated transport fliers with TL high volume S7 shots are not dedicated AA?

 Red Corsair wrote:
1. Remind everyone how wraiths, destroyer lords, spyders and scarabs suck at close combat again?

2. Now remind everyone how dedicated transport fliers with TL high volume S7 shots are not dedicated AA?

Yes, at the moment they are good, but the point I was trying to make was, if they're going to nerf Necrons as bad as all these people want them to, do you really think any of those things are going to retain their effectiveness? A Destroyer Lord without MSS will no longer be as much of a threat. Wraiths are almost certain to be hit hard by the nerf bat. Spyders and Scarabs are probably going to change too, while they're at it. Everyone will be amazed if Night Scythes retain anywhere near their functionality, let alone remain dedicated transports.

TL;DR- Necrons don't suck right now. If they lose everything that makes them half decent, they're gonna suck hard.

col_impact wrote:

Tesla doesn't work better when snap firing. You average 1.333 hits per shot normally and 0.917 hits per shot snap firing.

Chariots were designed with their ability to ignore small arms fire in mind. Welcome to 7th. I doubt they will make changes that were specifically introduced in 7th.

Normal Tesla, no, but TL tesla works out to slightly more hits. Don't have the math on me though.

Just because they made the change to chariots in 7th does not mean it is a good change. They added the broken Invisibility in 7th, and gutted the terrain/ruins section for no apparent reason.

Just because these things ought to be balanced does not mean that we non-necron players want the codex nerfed into the ground, there is a focus on what needs toned down, but nothing really on what can be improved.

I'd personally like to see Triarch Stalkers get a skyfire option, Praetorians to get 2+ armor, flayed ones to pick up fear and shred, destroyers to become jet infantry, and for C'Tan shards and Transcendent C'Tan to be merged into one C'Tan entry that is halfway in power between the two.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

col_impact wrote:

Tesla doesn't work better when snap firing. You average 1.333 hits per shot normally and 0.917 hits per shot snap firing.

Chariots were designed with their ability to ignore small arms fire in mind. Welcome to 7th. I doubt they will make changes that were specifically introduced in 7th.

Normal Tesla, no, but TL tesla works out to slightly more hits. Don't have the math on me though.

The math is worked out for TL tesla bs 4.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Normal Tesla, no, but TL tesla works out to slightly more hits. Don't have the math on me though.

Just because they made the change to chariots in 7th does not mean it is a good change. They added the broken Invisibility in 7th, and gutted the terrain/ruins section for no apparent reason.

Just because these things ought to be balanced does not mean that we non-necron players want the codex nerfed into the ground, there is a focus on what needs toned down, but nothing really on what can be improved.

I'd personally like to see Triarch Stalkers get a skyfire option, Praetorians to get 2+ armor, flayed ones to pick up fear and shred, destroyers to become jet infantry, and for C'Tan shards and Transcendent C'Tan to be merged into one C'Tan entry that is halfway in power between the two.

I did that math, you are still shooting at around 70% efficiency when Jinking. So Jinking still lowers your total hits.

The issue isn't jinking, snap shotting, Tesla, or TL; it's twin-linked Tesla while snap shotting due to a Jink.
Immortals with Tesla aren't an issue when they overwatch.
There isn't really an issue with Immortals and AB's vs Flyers and Invisibility.

It becomes an issue when you combine the four! And if you nerf one out of four, you will end up with three things that need buffs.
The main concern is that they will indeed change the 'real' issue and do nothing to counter the nerfs in the other areas.

It's only an issue for some people because people not playing necrons want it to be.

Twin linked Tesla snap firing are not better than twin linked Tesla firing normaly.

NO ONE has an issue with Twin Linked Tesla firing normally.

 skoffs wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
1. Remind everyone how wraiths, destroyer lords, spyders and scarabs suck at close combat again?

2. Now remind everyone how dedicated transport fliers with TL high volume S7 shots are not dedicated AA?

Yes, at the moment they are good, but the point I was trying to make was, if they're going to nerf Necrons as bad as all these people want them to, do you really think any of those things are going to retain their effectiveness? A Destroyer Lord without MSS will no longer be as much of a threat. Wraiths are almost certain to be hit hard by the nerf bat. Spyders and Scarabs are probably going to change too, while they're at it. Everyone will be amazed if Night Scythes retain anywhere near their functionality, let alone remain dedicated transports.

TL;DR- Necrons don't suck right now. If they lose everything that makes them half decent, they're gonna suck hard.

Necrons as a whole are not good at CC because of their terrible initiative and most models completely lacking a CC weapon. Arguable Necrons do have the best CC weapon in the game that only certain Necron lords/overlords or destroyer lords can take. We can take a unit with SIX models that is good in CC, we can take a HQ choice that is good at CC except that it can't take an invul save of any kind (but most HQs, not all but most, are good at CC), and a monstrous creature that is ok, I wouldn't call it good by any stretch, and a swarm model that is good in CC against vehicles. In fact, I would say aside from wraiths, Necron CC is terrible unless it is against non-walker vehicles.

I have to agree about the transports being awesome AA. S7 weapons against most fliers will be autowin. The ones we have a hard time with, everyone has a hard time with (helturkeys and Storm ravens).

 adamsouza wrote:
It's only an issue for some people because people not playing necrons want it to be.

Twin linked Tesla snap firing are not better than twin linked Tesla firing normaly.

NO ONE has an issue with Twin Linked Tesla firing normally.

Plenty of people have a problem with it at its current points cost.

This is why pretty much everybody expects Annihilation Barges to jump about 50 pts in price.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
It's only an issue for some people because people not playing necrons want it to be.

Twin linked Tesla snap firing are not better than twin linked Tesla firing normaly.

NO ONE has an issue with Twin Linked Tesla firing normally.

Plenty of people have a problem with it at its current points cost.

This is why pretty much everybody expects Annihilation Barges to jump about 50 pts in price.

Well I think the problem is that they are just idiotically cheap for what they can do..I dont think it has anything to do with tesla's advantage when snap firing. If thats the case you have a problem with tesla's core mechanic.. not an advantage in an infrequent scenario.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
It's only an issue for some people because people not playing necrons want it to be.

Twin linked Tesla snap firing are not better than twin linked Tesla firing normaly.

NO ONE has an issue with Twin Linked Tesla firing normally.

Plenty of people have a problem with it at its current points cost.

This is why pretty much everybody expects Annihilation Barges to jump about 50 pts in price.

We've just had 7 pages of people allledging Tesla working on the snap fire being too good, and few complaints about it's cost, so aying pretty much everyone would appear to be an exaggeration.

The AB may indeed be in line for a points bump, but a 50 point bump is greater than a 50% increase in cost of the model, and would be an unprecidented points change in 40K.

EDIT: Most of the whining about Tesla may have been in the Necron Wishlist thread.

 Davespil wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

• FoC changes coming for the codex. Focus on different Dynasties making different lists (bonuses granted, certain units "allowed", etc.)

Not buying it. They could have done the same thing with Ork clans and they didn't. I also believe that the days of certain units making other units into troops is also over. They are doing that to make people get used to running unbound.

I realize I'm a little late to the punch, but I just want to point out that the Ork Clans are vastly different from Necron Dynasties. At the end of the day, an Ork is an Ork and they'll always band together to krump non-orks. Multiple clans are frequently represented in a Warband, are nearly always present in a town, and -are- always present in a waaagh.

Necrons are not the same. The dynasties largely act on their own. They -will- band together, but it's much rarer and doesn't last nearly as long.

I'm just starting a Necron army, but in reading the book and going through two 7th edition charges (GK and DE) it's starting to become clear which was this stuff is going to go.

As much as I hate it, there is a move to oversimplify the rules. Reanimation protocols will get boring and just become FNP, likely with the res orb simply boosting the FNP roll.

MSS will go, absolutely guaranteed. I think it's a neat item and not for OP reasons, but it's a complicated rule in the fight subphase. If they remain it's going to be something weird like HoW hits.

Entropic strike is going to become boring old armorbane. Again it's a rule that requires book keeping, and they hate book keeping in this edition.

I wager that gauss gets hit since this is a mech-heavy edition and simply becomes rending. That will make it much better vs. troops, however.

I'm assuming telsa will lose its bonus hits in favor of getting shred.

Auswin,
Granted... there has been a push to simply the codex rules, remove loopholes and increase the general coherency of the rules. That being said, they don't seem to be removing identifying rules from codices... at least not yet.
Reanimation Protocols has operated basically the same way since the army's introduction... Everliving was added to this last codex to allow characters to get back up with operating along.
Likewise, Gauss has operated the same way since the beginning , and it works with hull points than it did in 5th... though I would be very happy if it changed to rending (Eldar effectively have it on their shrunken weapons).

Minor change to the top post,
From Lords Of Wargaming

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

https://www.facebook.com/Lordsofwargaming/posts/623163987810383

 skoffs wrote:
Minor change to the top post,

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

Who is the source for this?

 Sasori wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Minor change to the top post,

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

Who is the source for this?

Sandy Claus.

It's a lie.

I look forward to something in a new codex "NERFING" the (command) barges and all the twin-linked flyer nonsense that so many players call their strategy (which is a wrong statement for more than one reason...)
At least these units should have to cost more points.

And i am not a "hater", i have Necron, 2 armies of more than 2k and most models ever made.
I currently don't play the "barge" army because that's broken and a no-brainer (and i do have a brain).

I hope for a codex that is a bit more balanced on the whole.
To make some units a bit better and others a bit less good.

And i even expect that to happen, because that is what GW does with most codexes, "nerve" the things that where broken and sold the most and make the other things and/or new models better options.

 Sasori wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Minor change to the top post,

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

Who is the source for this?

Oh, sorry. I cited it in the top post but forgot to include the citation in the comment quote: it was Lords Of Wargaming (comment reply via their Facebook page).

I'll fix it now.

ORicK wrote:

I hope for a codex that is a bit more balanced on the whole.
To make some units a bit better and others a bit less good.

And i even expect that to happen, because that is what GW does with most codexes, "nerve" the things that where broken and sold the most and make the other things and/or new models better options.

I expect GW to vastly overshoot...
Were Grey Knight Strike Squads so good that they had to increase the cost 4 points per guy even after taking away psybolt ammo? Why did nob bikers need the nerf bat after taking away their option to have a non-HQ painboy?

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Why did nob bikers need the nerf bat after taking away their option to have a non-HQ painboy?

Because they wanted you to buy more Warbikers.

The changes in the Ork codex gently nudge people to buy more Warbikes and Tankbustas.

People keep talking about nerfs for Necrons, while I think we'll see changes more along the line that will increase sales of underperforming kits sales like the lychguard and Triarch Stalker boxes

 skoffs wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Minor change to the top post,

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

Who is the source for this?

Oh, sorry. I cited it in the top post but forgot to include the citation in the comment quote: it was Lords Of Wargaming (comment reply via their Facebook page).

I'll fix it now.

Awesome. I would really like this to come true.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Why did nob bikers need the nerf bat after taking away their option to have a non-HQ painboy?

Because they wanted you to buy more Warbikers.

The changes in the Ork codex gently nudge people to buy more Warbikes and Tankbustas.

People keep talking about nerfs for Necrons, while I think we'll see changes more along the line that will increase sales of underperforming kits sales like the lychguard and Triarch Stalker boxes

Obviously, but the same logic would suggest the Flayed ones should be awesome right now... and they aren't. Moonwalking finecast and all, they still hamstrung by the core rules. However, I would be interested in sales numbers for the necron line as a whole... which sku's are the best sellers. Even information at the store level would be telling.

I was also commenting that a well balanced codex was something that we really can't expect to happen... just because GW does this kind of thing.

 Sasori wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Minor change to the top post,

The models won't change. Armies will be generated along dynasties. Maybe one focuses on Destroyers and one focuses on immortals and so on.

... the Destroyer bit definitely got my attention.
(Red Harvest Cults, anyone?)

Who is the source for this?

Oh, sorry. I cited it in the top post but forgot to include the citation in the comment quote: it was Lords Of Wargaming (comment reply via their Facebook page).

I'll fix it now.

Awesome. I would really like this to come true.

Well, at the moment we have little reason to doubt them. They've got a stellar rumor reporting track record thus far, so I'd assume there's no reason for them to start making stuff up now.

I think it's quite amusing that anyone could believe that Necrons of all things might get their own version of "Chapter Tactics," or any kind of force-org modifications.

Seperate FoC for variant X with some generic special rule to buff them a little? Sure, Supplement with 6 more, almost guaranteed, but you lot are dreaming if you think that after all the codexes to get what flavour they had ripped out and go un-replaced, Necrons would get the special treatment. Guard didn't get their regiments, Orks didn't get Klanz or notable WAAAAGHs, Tyranids and Dark Eldar got nothing but nerfs and destruction of viable, flavourful builds; this is, somewhat ironically, not the edition of flavour.

I still expect Crypteks to be "streamlined" to confer some BRB USR, with maybe one unique element, and just about anything which isn't a BRB USR to be stripped or replaced with the closest equivalent. Tesla and Gauss will probably be the only unique element to Necrons, and I can't even begin to fathom what they'll do with Reanimation Protocals? Just a FNP like was suggested earlier sounds quite possible, given the current trend of streamlining.

I know this sounds terribly cynical, but there's too many codexes behind is indicating a certain development path.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

ORicK wrote:

I hope for a codex that is a bit more balanced on the whole.
To make some units a bit better and others a bit less good.

And i even expect that to happen, because that is what GW does with most codexes, "nerve" the things that where broken and sold the most and make the other things and/or new models better options.

I expect GW to vastly overshoot...
Were Grey Knight Strike Squads so good that they had to increase the cost 4 points per guy even after taking away psybolt ammo? Why did nob bikers need the nerf bat after taking away their option to have a non-HQ painboy?

Grey Knight Strike squads are the exact same price base as they used to be.
Nob Bikers could have used a points drop, but overall stayed the same price- nob dropped 2 points, bike went up 2, so same as before. Nob Bikers got hit more by edition changes, loss of painboy in the unit, and no longer being troops than they did any points increase.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I think it's quite amusing that anyone could believe that Necrons of all things might get their own version of "Chapter Tactics," or any kind of force-org modifications.

Like I said, at the moment, we have no reason not to believe them. (Lords Of Wargaming are 6 and 0 for accurate rumor reporting. Their source was spot on for info on the last few codex, so if they say "expect X for army Y", there's a fairly decent chance they're telling the truth).