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The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 18:55:46


Post by: Alpharius


The old thread was getting a bit long in the tooth so here we are with the NEW Infinity News & Rumors - this one promises to entertain and inform, all the while staying (mostly) on topic!




The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:00:50


Post by: Theophony


I wants it now

Now to go off topic.........


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:17:16


Post by: Absolutionis


omg what's with all this fanservice in Infinity? All the females are so sexualized. omg


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:19:16


Post by: Erasoketa


I hope BoW's new Infinity Week will be next week, I love watching their videos. I know I'll be doing the preorder next Monday.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:30:33


Post by: Red Harvest


I can't see how it would not be. Having it coincide with the pre-order start would just be too sensible.

Two hardcover books in a slipcase and not printed in some distant land? The Campaign: Paradiso book is $55 retail, the Human Sphere and 2e book are both $50. I doubt that they will charge $50 for each of the books in the slipcover. We will know soon enough.

EDIT: because if you abbreviate The Campaign: Paradiso to "C" ":" "P" you get C instead of what you intended. Lol


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:37:24


Post by: carlos13th


I have to admit while the new covers look great I kind of miss the anime style covers of the other books.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:39:09


Post by: GrenAcid


Its actualy one book split in half....so kinda akward if they want 50 per book.

We should bombard BoW mail with "Hi, when is next Infinity week?" till it colapse under weight of our cries.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:39:20


Post by: cincydooley




That book really looks amazing. I love it.


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 GrenAcid wrote:
Its actualy one book split in half....so kinda akward if they want 50 per book.
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I'm fairly certain that's not it.

IIRC from talking to the folks at GenCon, the "fluff" portion is going to be hardcover while the "rules" portion is going to be softcover.

But that may have changed.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:43:52


Post by: drazz


They both look hardcover to me.

But, that's how I would expect the division as well.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:45:56


Post by: Luthon1234


Well, I've got mixed feelings on this. The rules are still free though right? and what is the 2nd book for, I know one of them is the core rules but what is the other one fluff or something?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:50:20


Post by: Paradigm


The smaller book is core rules, the larger book is fluff, and yes, they will be keeping up-to-date rules online.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 19:53:58


Post by: GrenAcid


Fluff, art, story..maybe some painting tutorials and how expand army beyond starter set?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:10:52


Post by: Luthon1234


 Paradigm wrote:
The smaller book is core rules, the larger book is fluff, and yes, they will be keeping up-to-date rules online.


hmm seems interesting I do like the infinity fluff so I might pick this up depending on how much they want for it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:11:48


Post by: Pacific


Oooh welcome to the new thread everyone!

And once again Alphy has the first post of the new one, some 3 and a half years since the last thread.

Definitely seems a fitting point to start the new thread though.

Has anyone read anything yet about price point or a release date?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:18:37


Post by: Kanluwen


You mean thanks to Ademaru over on the official Infinity forums...

I just find the stuff when he posts it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:27:45


Post by: Usashi


I haven't got my icestorm yet and now they tease with pre order for rulebook. I wish CB started working on Sundays and maybe they should consider shift work as well to fulfil demand. Seriously stop slacking guys

I must say I like the mercenary even more from this angle. He is bulky a bit but finally he looks like a regular guy wearing thick set of armor not a anorectic person with paper thin body armor. Also seams he's wearing a back pack.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:45:24


Post by: Zond


This news came in to my life like a wrecking ball. Of awesome.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:48:47


Post by: Daba


I like the bonus model more with that angle.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 20:48:57


Post by: Bladerunner2019


CB better use the Rage Fist sparingly going forward. That ABH is the 3rd in recent memory to sport one.
Also see
Spoiler:


and

Spoiler:


Carlos said in an interview at some point that they're trying to expose the chest of the models to show more detail. However if this comes at the expense of dynamic model poses, it's not a good thing.
Rage Fist tells me the sculptor couldn't think of anything better to do with the free hand.

One of my favorite Infinity poses does everything it can to cover the body. It looks awesome & it's why we love their minis
Spoiler:


CB has filled its quota for RAGE FIST till 2016. No more please


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 21:18:09


Post by: ImAGeek


Awh man. Can't pre order til I next get paid really but will do so ASAP as possible.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 21:29:18


Post by: carlos13th


I love the new mobile brigada but it did hit the cliche double wammy with foot on rock and rage fist didnt it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 21:33:21


Post by: cincydooley


I'm not sure how they "resolve" rage fist though if they're going to keep chests exposed. I mean, obviously the "correct" thing he'd really be doing when firing a rifle is having both hands on the rifle...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 22:02:40


Post by: .Mikes.


I shall be right down to my FLGS on monday to see if I can preorder those books, oh yes I will.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 22:52:54


Post by: -Loki-


I had $50 I got for my birthday that I was squireling away to put half into a box of Dropzone Commander. I think I know where it's instead being spent.


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 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Carlos said in an interview at some point that they're trying to expose the chest of the models to show more detail. However if this comes at the expense of dynamic model poses, it's not a good thing.
Rage Fist tells me the sculptor couldn't think of anything better to do with the free hand.

One of my favorite Infinity poses does everything it can to cover the body. It looks awesome & it's why we love their minis
Spoiler:


CB has filled its quota for RAGE FIST till 2016. No more please


Yeah, I gotta say I don't agree with that change. Brings back memories of statically posed character models in 40k just because they wanted each hand free for conversions, only this time it's to show off the detail of the sculpt. Infinity models are their strongest when they're dynamic and interesting (like that Asawira - what a sculpt!), not standing there saying 'the gun is in my right hand, the sword is in my left hand'.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 22:59:22


Post by: GrimDork


The ragefist doesn't bother me... too much. Maybe he's got some kind of nifty electronics in his suit and clenching his fist is how he purges target data... or orders readers digest.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 23:32:25


Post by: -Loki-


It doesn't bother me as a pose, but it bothers me if it's going to become a very regular pose just because they want to show off how awesome their sculptors are at doing chest armour.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 23:33:06


Post by: carlos13th


I tend to prefer models that look like they are in combat so they have their guns pointed as if to shoot or held in a way which looks like they are moving but combat ready.

something more like this



or this



Rather than point large guns with one hand


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 23:34:10


Post by: warboss


 GrimDork wrote:
The ragefist doesn't bother me... too much. Maybe he's got some kind of nifty electronics in his suit and clenching his fist is how he purges target data... or orders readers digest.


The rage fist has nuthin' on the fanny pack of fury that the bounty hunter sports!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/09 23:43:53


Post by: IJW


carlos13th - part of the problem is that even with the weapon size reduction, Infinity guns are something like 3-4 times as bulky as they should be. So where those images still show a lot of the chest area, the equivalent pose with an Infinity model just has a bunch of gun covering the front. :(

Case in point, look at the two male Fusiliers at the back:



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:13:57


Post by: Kanluwen


That really has nothing to do with the weapon size but rather the weapon design; which is something for another thread entirely.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:23:02


Post by: Ronin_eX


Woohoo, I'll definitely be putting an order in come Monday.

I am warming to the overall composition of the authorized bounty hunter. The original shot made him look a lot squarer/blockier. Still a hefty mini. but it looks a lot less like a brick from this angle (and the jacket flows a lot better).

Not sure what I'll use it for. Hell, depending on what N3 changes, I may use it as an actual authorized bounty hunter. But most likely, it will be something in my Nomads (probably a Mobile Brigada).

But the new edition itself has me far more excited than any free model. I wants it now.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:33:24


Post by: Mastiff


Damn, I can't wait. I love the covers; it's a smart choice to sell it as a quality product with a "luxury" feel to the marketing. They are some of the best models out there, so flaunt it. It worked for Confrontation; I always felt I was getting my money's worth, compared to similarly-priced GW products that were incrementally changed from their previous version.

Of course, I don't care for anime, which definitely influences my preferences.

Hey 'trees! Read the rules faster! I want to play! (says the #### who never shows up).


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:37:48


Post by: RiTides


Love the new cover. This isn't a limited run, right- this is the real release of the new rules?

I don't need the exclusive model, so not sure I'll preorder it, but definitely want to make sure I can pick it up on release.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:48:46


Post by: Savnock


RE: the new rules set:

I'm hoping there will be an event at which one can get N3 before everyone else, if one has a ninja shopper. I'm mourning failing to get Icestorm from my GenCon ninjas... Warstore preorder still hasn't shown up. With the... er, somewhat tardy release schedules CB usually has, a two-month headstart on learning the rules would be really nice.

Anyone know if the free online rules will be available at the same time the book drops? It would make sense to delay them a while to sell more books, but CB has a track record of being nice just because. Free online rules would at least make shipping and release delays less agonizing.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

Carlos said in an interview at some point that they're trying to expose the chest of the models to show more detail. However if this comes at the expense of dynamic model poses, it's not a good thing.
Rage Fist tells me the sculptor couldn't think of anything better to do with the free hand.

CB has filled its quota for RAGE FIST till 2016. No more please


Hear hear. It's really, really unfortunate to see this trend emerging so sharply and frankly spoiling their awesome poses.

Chest detail may be nice sometimes, but the stupid poses are really ruining the trademark CB style. The crouching ninja is why most YJ players I know started collecting that army, and the crossed-arms Asawira was the thing for so many Haqq players as has been pointed out. if chests are just exposed in even every few minis, that's fine: The cooler poses are also fun to paint.

Hoping CB realizes this and snaps out of it soon. Hell, even running two versions of one fig (rage fist versus dynamic) I bet they'd see a significant enough difference to point out the error of ragefistatosis,



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 00:48:46


Post by: -Loki-


 RiTides wrote:
Love the new cover. This isn't a limited run, right- this is the real release of the new rules?

I don't need the exclusive model, so not sure I'll preorder it, but definitely want to make sure I can pick it up on release.


It's the full release of the 3rd edition ruleset. The miniature is just for people who pre order. Nothing limited about it, at least from what we've been told.


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 Savnock wrote:
 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

Carlos said in an interview at some point that they're trying to expose the chest of the models to show more detail. However if this comes at the expense of dynamic model poses, it's not a good thing.
Rage Fist tells me the sculptor couldn't think of anything better to do with the free hand.

CB has filled its quota for RAGE FIST till 2016. No more please


Hear hear. It's really, really unfortunate to see this trend emerging so sharply and frankly spoiling their awesome poses.

Chest detail may be nice sometimes, but the stupid poses are really ruining the trademark CB style. The crouching ninja is why most YJ players I know started collecting that army, and the crossed-arms Asawira was the thing for so many Haqq players as has been pointed out. if chests are just exposed in even every few minis, that's fine: The cooler poses are also fun to paint.

Hoping CB realizes this and snaps out of it soon. Hell, even running two versions of one fig (rage fist versus dynamic) I bet they'd see a significant enough difference to point out the error of ragefistatosis,


Exposed chests are possible without having a static pose. To use another example of an Asawira:
Spoiler:


He looks like he's casually walking forwards with his gun in an at ease position, stepping over a large rock. There's movement to the pose. It's still dynamic without being an action pose.

CB are quite capable of doing good poses. Their current range runs the gamut - there's dynamic action poses, static at ease poses, dynamic at ease poses, pin up poses, and more. They all show off detail in their own way.

I just hope this trend doesn't leak too much into what they're doing. Standing static with a rage fist is fine for the odd model, but not for the majority of a range.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:23:01


Post by: Kanluwen


 Alpharius wrote:

(Price TBD!)

Kanluwen wrote:
Ademaru posted this on the official Infinity forums today:

Ademaru posted an update.

Price is 59.95€ which puts it around 76 USD.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:29:51


Post by: Bolognesus


€60 is... steep, tbh.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:37:13


Post by: Jehan-reznor


I wants it my preciouszz!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:41:01


Post by: GrimDork


Dag that'll be like buying 6th edition 40k all over again =/

The ABH is cool and all... but I might wanna wait. I dunno I guess if I can preorder through my usual channels with a discount it's not so bad.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:50:46


Post by: Micky


New books seem a LOT bigger than the old one.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 01:54:25


Post by: -Loki-


I thought they looked a lot smaller. They're only 3/4 the size of the miniature!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 02:08:06


Post by: Kanluwen


The Warstore is now taking preorders for N3

N3 Book info:

Full color books.
Estimated number of pages: Background: 180 pages; Rules: 275 pages
Binding: Soft cover with flaps. Both books are content in a case.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 02:24:18


Post by: ckig


Ooooh new thread

Don't forget the girls with the 'fist of fury'. The new fusilier in icestorm has it

Pre-order mini looks better from this angle. Less fat lol

Price isn't too bad imo if you pre-order. Mini is probably worth about $10 or so.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 02:36:25


Post by: -Loki-


 GrimDork wrote:
Dag that'll be like buying 6th edition 40k all over again =/


With the exception that it's technically like the 40k rulebook also having almost every codex inside it as well.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 02:44:24


Post by: Absolutionis


 -Loki- wrote:
 GrimDork wrote:
Dag that'll be like buying 6th edition 40k all over again =/


With the exception that it's technically like the 40k rulebook also having almost every codex inside it as well.
And it's also optional. All the Infinity rules and stats are available to everyone online. For those simply into gaming, they don't need the book to play. They also don't need a bunch of codexcies and DLC to play optimally.

For those that like pretty pictures, fluff, or just enjoy a good rulebook, it seems like a solid choice.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 02:45:19


Post by: plastictrees


So any fist is unacceptable then? The fusilier isn't close to the same pose as the other three. It's more of a celebratory arm pump.
The other three are all HI, I think it can be a way to showcase their abilities. They should legitimately be able to us their weapons at near 100% effectiveness with one hand.

As soon as we have a swathe of minis making V signs and duck face I'll start to be concerned.

Excited for the rules, will be pre-ordering ASAP.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 03:12:55


Post by: Tanakosyke22


$76 USD is....kind of steep to me. I mean, I would like to read up on the fluff and have a hard copy of the rules, but I might just download the PDF and print it off.

On the other hand, the artwork is nice. Almost like a Mass Effect-like aura to it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 03:22:27


Post by: GrimDork


I mean I like the art and fluff for infinity, and I expect I would get more mileage out of such a book. Its just a steep buy-in. I'll likely get it anyway.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 03:37:47


Post by: -Loki-


I bought Artbook 1 and don't regret it. if the art is good (and recent art shows yes, it's gonna be good) and fluff is better translated and interesting to read, I'll gladly pay the extra for that in a hardcover. The easy to transport softcover rulebook is a bonus.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 04:07:49


Post by: heartserenade




My theory is that the rage fist people are just doing rock-paper-scissors against the submachine gun Odalisque.

Seriously, I never thought of it at first but when I was painting it that hand really bothered me. Why is it like that?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 04:47:09


Post by: -Loki-


Because she's prettily posing while obliterating someone with that sub-machinegun.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 04:55:18


Post by: heartserenade


Well I have never seen a model that does a hand pose like that...

Are there models with scissor hands? 'cause that would be awesome!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 05:23:47


Post by: plastictrees


Cordelia is the closest.

I'll be converting that particular Odalisque. Her hand is just silly.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 05:40:25


Post by: Vain


Build a base with her supporting herself on something? Futuristic Post box or something.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 05:42:24


Post by: plastictrees


A wall with a puppy on it.

Thread 2.0 is off to a cracking start!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 05:46:54


Post by: Talliostro


oohh that looks sharp for a Rulebook... very Mass Effect like

Well count me in, since this is my first Rulebook for Infinity the price doesn't hurt that much. I will be getting the Nomads from Operation:Icestorm, so this ABH comes in Handy as a second Mobile Brigada


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 05:48:52


Post by: heartserenade


Well moving on topic: the artwork on the books is pretty fething amazing. Simple and yet very Infinity-esque.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 06:02:35


Post by: Barzam


Is that a Hac Tao on the book's cover? Interesting that they're not using the Hacker version's redesign. Weird choice all around though.

I wouldn't mind the ABH, but if it's going to be $75 for the whole shebang, I may have to sit this out. Disappointing.

I don't mind the rage fist so much. At least it sort of makes sense why HI guys would be firing guns one armed though. Still, I'd rather be seeing figures posed firing their guns with both hands gripping them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 06:25:48


Post by: Erasoketa


Well gak, those books aren't cheap then.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 07:19:24


Post by: Alkasyn


If the price is correct, they do seem expensive, however they also seem rather thick - the current rulebook has around 250 pages, right? These books seem to be of that size each one of them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 07:44:17


Post by: Pacific


 Kanluwen wrote:
The Warstore is now taking preorders for N3

N3 Book info:

Full color books.
Estimated number of pages: Background: 180 pages; Rules: 275 pages
Binding: Soft cover with flaps. Both books are content in a case.


Cheers for that Kan.

Can't wait for these to go onto pre-order, hopefully should get about £50 or so from retailers here in the UK.

A bit expensive although reasonable if it is such a jump in volume, and again if its downloadable you can always take that route if you don't want to splash the cash.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:01:43


Post by: Mothman


UK is probably going to be between 38-45 depending on who you order from, then post and package on top


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:22:51


Post by: Jehan-reznor


 heartserenade wrote:
Spoiler:


My theory is that the rage fist people are just doing rock-paper-scissors against the submachine gun Odalisque.

Seriously, I never thought of it at first but when I was painting it that hand really bothered me. Why is it like that?


The way she is painted makes me think of Armitage
Spoiler:


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:28:59


Post by: IJW


59.95€ is currently £48-49.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:32:47


Post by: ImAGeek


That's the same as the 40k rulebook, and you don't need a codex on top of that, and it's cheaper to get an army together.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:43:00


Post by: IJW


No complaints from me there, it's just that £38 would be a whopping 20% off retail.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 08:44:45


Post by: ImAGeek


I think I got 15% off retail on O:I so I'm hoping for the same on N3


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 10:45:56


Post by: IJW


Thanks to the lack of VAT I've managed to get it down to £42. Which happens to be a nice SF-related number.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 11:19:29


Post by: Theophony


Preordered from thewarstore , thanks for the heads up.

Way cheaper than trying to get current on GW. Oddly my local FLGS just bought into infinity with a shelf display of 6 starters and 6 (2ed) rule books , sometimes they make me laugh at how current they are on trends. But they do have a healthy stock of space hulk


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 12:01:45


Post by: NuclearMessiah


Do remember most retailer will offer a discount on it. I would expect it to be closer to $60 in discount stores in the US.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 12:06:18


Post by: Red Harvest


The Asawira. Great stuff. That should have been the cover for N3, not the Hac Tao. (I may be biased here.)

How is this thread 3 pages already. Uh yeah. Infinity players gab, alot. It's a good thing.

The Warstore wants $65 for the set. 445 pages total. Not outrageous, but a bit high. But I suspect printing costs in Spain are higher than in Asia, where a lot of companies have their printing done. I'll wait and see what Miniature Market will charge, then decide from where to order. I'm sure I can pad out an order to get free shipping. Hmmm, new Janissary HMG for starters...



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 12:42:58


Post by: Theophony


Hey red, don't forget that Neal price matches , I placed an order and will ask for a match later if the price is significant. Though I get most of my stuff from MM as they are two miles from my house when there's a significant price, I have to shop as I must pay state taxes their, but not at thewarstore.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 12:49:55


Post by: GrimDork


I interpret the oda with the 'funny hand' as maybe kind of sweeping it out behind her to hold balance. Or maybe she was oriented to the left and has swung her torso and legs to the new position to match her gun and the left arm is trailing a bit. It *is* a bit funny though.


Meh, 65 for both but then what does one have to spend to get free shipping for Neil, or is that even a thing? I may look into MM though another wayland mayhap would be sadness.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 13:47:32


Post by: Red Harvest


 Theophony wrote:
Hey red, don't forget that Neal price matches , I placed an order and will ask for a match later if the price is significant. Though I get most of my stuff from MM as they are two miles from my house when there's a significant price, I have to shop as I must pay state taxes their, but not at thewarstore.


Ah, Thank you good sir. I did not know that. I don't have the sales tax issue, but Warstore shipping will be a flat rate ($7) and MM shipping will be free, given that I will order Yojimbo and the Janissary HMG too (so order will exceed $99). So, It'll be $7 less probably, from MM for me. Gotta save where you can.

SMG Oda is the best one, IMHO. Arm is out for balance. Or hand signalling somehow. Cocking her Contender Oda is number two. I hope to see a resculpt of Spitfire Oda soon.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 14:20:43


Post by: drazz


The SMG Oda looks a lot like a military hand signal. Possibly a sign for those following to pause or slow down.

Makes sense the SMG takes point.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 15:01:21


Post by: plastictrees


So Army Builder update before the physical rules are released? Have they mentioned when they expect N3 to be available online?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 15:08:29


Post by: Kanluwen


It was explicitly stated that this is "not the army builder", so who knows what's going on.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:26:34


Post by: Space Ranger


I just sold a bunch of stuff in the local store auction. But I can't decide if I want to use it on the rules or the new CA set! I can borrow the book to read the fluff I guess.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:29:41


Post by: Theophony


I think her hand is in mid karate chop action pose , you just need an enemy model standing there.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:34:06


Post by: Pacific


Oh cool that site has a countdown, and a sign-up via email.

A couple of possibilities I can think of
- re-launch of Army Builder (which perhaps is the most likely?)
- Perhaps some kind of new interactive software/download for the way that the rules are available online?
- The people that make the Army Builder have been entrusted with some other elements, and we're going to see a step forward with background (is this likely for 3rd edition? I think perhaps quite unlikely).




The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:37:37


Post by: Kanluwen


Again, it has been specifically stated that the webpage has nothing to do with the Army Builder.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:42:50


Post by: Knight


 Space Ranger wrote:
I just sold a bunch of stuff in the local store auction. But I can't decide if I want to use it on the rules or the new CA set! I can borrow the book to read the fluff I guess.


Art is the main reason why I'd like to own it. I might be tempted to go with different army, however that is to be decided after new CA starter and reviewing the rules.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 16:45:04


Post by: Absolutionis


It's probably that we'll get full profiles for the Father-Knight, Reverend Healer, Dactyls, and maybe even Kaysim Beg and others.

Note that with the Aleph and Tohaa units especially, their profiles won't be in the N3 base book. They're going to have to release the profiles online sometime; may as well be on October 14th especially with the profile-less Dactyl coming out.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 17:11:38


Post by: Ronin_eX


Wayland has it up for pre-order at £37.50 (~$60USD or ~$67CAD), they are also doing one of their free worldwide shipping sales it seems (orders over £40, so need a little something extra to qualify).

Either way, cheaper than anywhere on my continent. I think I may throw in with them this time around.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 17:23:12


Post by: IJW


Nope.

'Bulky: Please note this item is bulky and is not covered by any free shipping promotion.'

Which makes perfect sense, because they'd be losing money on postage even within the UK, let alone overseas.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 17:25:50


Post by: ImAGeek


Yeah O:I was the same as well because I tried to get the free shipping promotion on that from them. I dunno whether to pre order from them or wait for Element Games.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 17:29:04


Post by: Ronin_eX


Ah well *runs numbers*... still cheaper apparently (12% tax and $16 shipping from Meeplemart, $25.00 shipping from the Warstore)... Go Canadian dollar!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 17:36:16


Post by: Absolutionis


Don't you all have a LGS that can preorder? This isn't a limited-quantity product, and it seems that all preorders will get the Authorized Mobile Brigada-Hunter. There's no rush.

You can often ask your LGS to order via their distributors and save on shipping.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 18:16:28


Post by: Riquende


 Absolutionis wrote:
Don't you all have a LGS that can preorder?


Nope. Might be a glut of them round your way, but I know of one that's within driving distance, two towns over (where I won that truth telling contest).

There are a few GWs knocking about nearer though (not one in this town however).


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 18:36:22


Post by: Theophony


 Riquende wrote:
 Absolutionis wrote:
Don't you all have a LGS that can preorder?


Nope. Might be a glut of them round your way, but I know of one that's within driving distance, two towns over (where I won that truth telling contest).

There are a few GWs knocking about nearer though (not one in this town however).

you should go ask them if they can preorder it for you , then run the numbers costs in front of them when they try and sell you a rulebook, codex, and starter set.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 18:38:50


Post by: Ronin_eX


Last time I ordered from my LGS, it took 6 months for a partial order to come in. I don't do that anymore (and I wont even step in to the other one due to smell and general nastiness). And of course neither of 'em offer any kind of discount off the cover price so even without shipping factored in, after taxes it tends to be pricier than ordering.

The fun of living in a country where moose have a higher population density than people. Things are expensive and slow when dealing with anything originating from inside our own country. My LGS is mostly for my infrequent Warmahordes purchases and boardgames (really good selection on those).


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 19:25:12


Post by: ClockworkChaos


Somewhat important- MM is now pre-ordering N3 Rulebooks for 63.99 and I have confirmed with them that the mini will be provided (in case anyone was wondering).

Also I got an update about when they expect Icestorm in and they said they are still waiting on Customs but those who ordered Icestorm through them, they do expect it in rather shortly as it should almost be fully processed.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 20:05:07


Post by: Absolutionis


Giraldez posted multiple views of the QK Mobile Brigada We all know it's actually a ABH

He's even got an adorable little backpack!

https://www.facebook.com/StudioGiraldez/photos/ms.c.eJw9y8ENwDAMQtGNKjsxYPZfrKrc5PjERzLaqpWR3ng0jhabcV3jvPv0PiZqY5HH~_nq4f9Pz5wsSbRdD.bps.a.779589675435275.1073742029.436491416411771/779589742101935/?type=1&permPage=1


Spoiler:





Automatically Appended Next Post:
---

Also Mayacast posted a link to DNA-1's DeviantArt yesterday:


Mayacast says it's an image of NeoTerra.

DNA-1 is the artist that worked on the book cover for O:I and Interventor concept illustration.

The image has since been taken down from DeviantArt with the message:
"Hey, all! I've been asked to put a couple of these in storage for now. Will be available again later. "
http://dna-1.deviantart.com/gallery/51444404/Corvus-Belli-INFINITY-Illustrations


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 20:29:19


Post by: Knight


Is it just me, or is your image missing something?





The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 20:45:32


Post by: Absolutionis


Couldn't find the original image considering it got taken down; I just posted the Mayacast Facebook preview image. Good to see someone saved a backup.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/10 21:10:51


Post by: GrimDork


Huh cool, so basically I can go with Neil and expect to get the rulebook and mini on a good schedule but pay shipping, or I can go with MM -- *hope* it isn't another icestorm -- and get free shipping if I come up with some more items. 'Cause who doesn't want an excuse to buy more infinity?

It's good to have choices


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/11 03:26:32


Post by: Dentry



Oh the intrigue. Very... intriguing!

Will have to keep an eye out on this now.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/11 07:18:45


Post by: GrenAcid


Nice find Knight. I like mini more after those shots and NeoT looks very promising.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/11 07:47:06


Post by: Pacific


So I'm guessing that must be 'Maya', the 24th century equivalent of the MS Paperclip?

Do love this kind of artwork, I'm really looking forward to seeing what new stuff they have put together for the new rulebook launch (the amount of new work in Paradiso was considerable!)



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/11 23:30:37


Post by: Bladerunner2019


http://studiogiraldez.blogspot.com/2014/10/authorized-bounty-hunter_11.html

CB's models are usually awesome.
This model is a disappointment.
Not "wulver leaping over a highway divider" bad, but close.

Spoiler:


The ABH's proportions are awful.
It's not dynamic in any way.
His jacket & fanny packs look like they're slapped on at the last minute.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/11 23:44:42


Post by: Mastiff


Quick question; I know the first Terracotta Warrior was released, but does anyone have any details about a boxed set of Terracotta Warriors? I don't want to order him if he'll be in a boxed set soon, since I'd prefer to get the set.

Cheers.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 00:17:35


Post by: plastictrees


I think you'd be safe. If they plan a boxed set at all, any recent troop I can think of with a boxed set and a single blister didn't repeat the blister contents in the box.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 00:37:07


Post by: -Loki-


I'd say there's a couple of things to consider.

They're likely to be the Line Infantry in the Invincible army starter. Line Infantry these days get a support weapon box. But then, heavy infantry so far have not had as good a weapon selection as light infantry to justify a support weapon box. These guys straddle a weird line - they're line infantry, but in a unit type that historically doesn't have the options that make line infantry good.

Personally, I'd say you're safe. I can see them being the Line Infantry in the starter, and probably getting an additional blister with some other variant, like a rocket launcher of some kind, to fill out a 5 model link. And if that does happen, historically CB have released that additional model as an individual blister for a few months before it got bundled. So even if that other model and the HMG got bundled into one blister to cut down SKUs, you'd be able to grab it solo anyway.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 02:39:06


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Mastiff wrote:
Quick question; I know the first Terracotta Warrior was released, but does anyone have any details about a boxed set of Terracotta Warriors? I don't want to order him if he'll be in a boxed set soon, since I'd prefer to get the set.


There's at least 4 other kits: multi-rifle, combi-rifle, boarding shotty, missile launcher.
There's a box of 4.
I'm pretty sure there will be more kits when N3 rosters come out. Likely a hacker, maybe spitfire, maybe others...

Unlikely there will be a repeat in the box when it arrives.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 03:10:04


Post by: Kanluwen


I think Loki is spot on with how it's going to go.

Invincible Army starter set having 3x Terracotta Warriors with rifles, then some more.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 04:11:43


Post by: -Loki-


 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 Mastiff wrote:
Quick question; I know the first Terracotta Warrior was released, but does anyone have any details about a boxed set of Terracotta Warriors? I don't want to order him if he'll be in a boxed set soon, since I'd prefer to get the set.


There's at least 4 other kits: multi-rifle, combi-rifle, boarding shotty, missile launcher.
There's a box of 4.
I'm pretty sure there will be more kits when N3 rosters come out. Likely a hacker, maybe spitfire, maybe others...

Unlikely there will be a repeat in the box when it arrives.


Aha. I hadn't seen the full profile set.

That box of 4 will probably be multi rifle, boarding shotgun, missile launcher, proxy (all 4 model boxes these days have at least one proxy). Add to the 3 rifle models in the starter, and the individual HMG blister, and you've got the makings for a selection of HI line infantry.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 04:37:31


Post by: IJW


None of the SWC boxes have had proxy loadouts, for what it's worth.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 05:07:34


Post by: -Loki-


That's a good point, something I didn't realize.

The only other way I can see an SWC box like that going is - bundle the HMG, but release the other 3 as a limited time blister for those that bought the HMG, or double up a weapon, probably the boarding shotgun, maybe the multi rifle.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Some interesting tidbits from Feast of Blades courtesy of Solodice on the official boards.


Onto the saucy N3 rule reveals...

Impetuous: Impetuous troops no longer get the benefits (+3 ARM, -3 BS) of cover when in partial cover.

Template weapons: No more negative modifiers when dodging a template weapon if you have LoF to the model shooting you. If you don't have LoF but are hit by the template you can try to dodge it with a -3 to your PH.

Smoke/MSV combo: Will kinda work like the new surprise attack but with a -6 BS to shoot back. The difference is that dodging is not effected by the smoke. It's just a flat PH roll to dodge that attack coming through that smoke.


Should make the MSV/Smoke combo a lot less intimidating to face if you can dodge that well.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 06:31:57


Post by: GrenAcid


I like it, sound and resonable changes.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 06:43:05


Post by: Pacific


Agreed that's a good change (although TBH I didn't really have that particular combo used against me that often)

The loss of cover to impetuous troops is a fairly important one will really affect their survivability, nice to see template weapons get a slight nerf as well - this combined with the CC changes means that perhaps we will get some more close range fire-fights and melee that last more than 2 seconds.

@Bladerunner2019 - Why did you have to let the Wulver in here? Although I've seen that mini converted so it looks like it is leaning up against a wall, makes it look somewhat better.

Will have to disagree on the ABH, that guy is definitely going to be collecting some booty in my force when he is released!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 07:56:09


Post by: -DE-


That bounty hunter immediately brought back the memory of this:



A bad memory...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 08:28:09


Post by: IJW


The difference being that on the ABH it's armour that's sticking out rather than a person's actual anatomy.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 08:41:19


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Well he does wear powered armour and the waist would give you the perspective you needed, but the chest webbing obscures the bodies form.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 16:29:57


Post by: BobbaFett


Wildchevy has published the whole seminar, thank god.










Something happens between these two videos, there is an obvious CUT. The next video begins with the crowd in pure excitement.




Finally, Carlos says that he is giving away limited edition figures that have not been seen anywhere.
What can we, mortals, do to get one of those?




The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 17:07:29


Post by: warboss


 -DE- wrote:
That bounty hunter immediately brought back the memory of this:



A bad memory...


What the heck is that? He looks more like the hulked out Cap than any normal one!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 17:50:37


Post by: Kanluwen


 BobbaFett wrote:

Finally, Carlos says that he is giving away limited edition figures that have not been seen anywhere.
What can we, mortals, do to get one of those?

If you listened, he doesn't say those were "limited edition" but rather that they were unreleased. In the first or second video, he shows off the Ghulam with HMG which was intended to be a blister to replace the previous blister.

They got to the point of having a fully painted model but then pulled it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 19:25:32


Post by: Absolutionis


Seems that the Svarlheima Yu Jing sectorial is called "White Flag" and has units called the "Ghost Wolves" and something else.


Shavastii and EI troops have actual logos now.


Haqqislam HMG model. Will not be released. It's basically a preproduction model that became obsolete with a design choice to change the HMG model.


Ghulam Concept Art


Combined Army Rodok. Medium Infantry with Super Jump and heavy weapons (Missile Launcher and others)


Tohaa Rasail Boarding Team. Boxed Set. Synchromized with Chaksa. Cannot make fireteams.




Name of the Dactyl hero is "Acmon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acmon_(Dactyl)

Tankhunter Dossier. HMG and Missile Launcher getting a resculpt. Autocannon not getting a resculpt.


Dog-Face boxed set. 2 "Human"-form. 2 Dog-form.



McMurrough will not be resculpted.

Hassassin Govads can form a fireteam. Flavor is a group that was mostly eliminated in number. Govad right now are the survivors.

Yan Huo Invincibles are 4-2 movement. Can be equipped with a HMC or Two Rocket Launchers.

HMC in N3 has Burst 5; AP/Shock. There is a Burst 1 option that shoots DA ammo (for ARO).

USAriadna Grunts are MI. ARM 3. Heavy Flamethrower, Light Shotgun profile for 10pt.

Tiger Soldiers. HMG removed. Replaced with Spitfire.


Speculo Killer


Joan of Arc will have two sculpts from the design. The Angel Giraldez Painting book will have the an alternative-posed Joan as a preorder model..

Maghariba Guard will be getting its own silhouette value. Infinity has 7 values, but the Maghariba Guard will be getting an 8th. Not coming out anytime soon. The Mag Guard production is an experiment in production for CB, and it will be in production on the side outside of normal schedule. "It will be done when it will be done."
Profile will have a 360 visor.

Hac Tao. New Hacker sculpt coming out this year.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 19:41:38


Post by: aldo


Gûilàng = Ghost Wolves


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 19:51:04


Post by: Kanluwen


Spoiler:

Worth mentioning that the Rodok mannequin is meant to be the basis for a new Yaogat.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 20:04:20


Post by: Usashi


Thanks for posting all vids.

Now Tiger soldier actually has tiger like looking helmet. Haven't noticed that before.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 20:31:59


Post by: Knight


Marvellous, thanks for the recap.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 22:04:07


Post by: Absolutionis


There are some other pictures, but we've all seen them before.

Also, some minor rules, mostly what we know.

Interesting things to note:

* Joan of Arc alternate pose (same fundamental sculpt) will be the preorder bonus for Angel's book.

* Template weapons ignore partial cover.

* If you're affected by a template weapon, you get an aRO to dodge (at -3) even if you have no LOs to the source. This includes both grenades around the corner and Guided missiles.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/12 22:05:42


Post by: -Loki-


 Absolutionis wrote:
Maghariba Guard will be getting its own silhouette value. Infinity has 7 values, but the Maghariba Guard will be getting an 8th. Not coming out anytime soon. The Mag Guard production is an experiment in production for CB, and it will be in production on the side outside of normal schedule. "It will be done when it will be done."
Profile will have a 360 visor.


Assuming that means the new Maghariba is going to be huge. IIRC, they said the same thing about testing production when they did the Caskuda. I was guessing Gecko sized from the new concept art. Guess I was way off.

That begs the question though - what silhouette will the current Maghariba have? It's a completely different shape to everything else already.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 00:24:16


Post by: warboss


 Absolutionis wrote:
Maghariba Guard will be getting its own silhouette value. Infinity has 7 values, but the Maghariba Guard will be getting an 8th. Not coming out anytime soon. The Mag Guard production is an experiment in production for CB, and it will be in production on the side outside of normal schedule. "It will be done when it will be done."
Profile will have a 360 visor.


That is great news! I was hoping it would live up to the bulk the concept art hinted at. I just hope that it isn't too pricey.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 00:33:45


Post by: Red Corsair


 warboss wrote:
 -DE- wrote:
That bounty hunter immediately brought back the memory of this:



A bad memory...


What the heck is that? He looks more like the hulked out Cap than any normal one!


That has to be a Rob Liefeld...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 00:52:01


Post by: -Loki-


it is. hence why I've been calling the model Leifelds bounty hunter.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 01:05:00


Post by: Absolutionis


So Beasts of War is in the UK, right? So that means their Monday videos should be going up soon (and we won't have to wait for the NA Monday).

Also it's Infinity Week on the 13th, right?

Hype.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 01:45:36


Post by: Micky


Gawd the end of that third video is such a tease, but the start of the 4th video rubs it in so much more.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 01:54:08


Post by: Kanluwen


 Absolutionis wrote:
So Beasts of War is in the UK, right? So that means their Monday videos should be going up soon (and we won't have to wait for the NA Monday).

I like to imagine that while BoW is in the UK, they have their own timezone.

Because they sure as heck don't really have a schedule that works.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 04:13:04


Post by: Micky


 Kanluwen wrote:

Because they sure as heck don't really have a schedule that works.


I think its more a case of having a schedule and then perpetually ignoring it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 07:13:55


Post by: Pacific


Thanks for the re-cap there Absolutionis, and also for linking the video over here Knight.

 Red Corsair wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 -DE- wrote:
That bounty hunter immediately brought back the memory of this:



A bad memory...


What the heck is that? He looks more like the hulked out Cap than any normal one!


That has to be a Rob Liefeld...


That's a really, really crap comparison. Absolutely nothing like it!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 07:47:24


Post by: Bladerunner2019




Nothing really new to report. Pics of the Umbra Legate model.
Carlos expects to have N3 rules online by 2015 & the wiki + army builder soon thereafter.

The ABH concept sketch is so much better than the final result.
The model really does look like the freak Rob Liefeld Captain America. Shoulders are far too broad, the fanny packs give it a barrel chest & the vest is flat and lifeless.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 07:50:44


Post by: Absolutionis


Watching the video, there doesn't seem to be too much new information that we don't know. It was a lot of preliminary information to set up the week and recaps of what had already been revealed.

I believe the following is new:

Dossier of the Preorder ABH.
The armor is noted as having influence of the Mobile Brigada. The weapon is the new PanO Boarding Shotgun.


Maghariba Guard colored art.



Umbra Legate miniature. He's tall.



* As if there was any doubt, rules have been confirmed that all rules and profiles will be available. Profiles available online January 1st. 3rdEd rules available online later in 2015.

* Army Builder will be updated and have links to the Wiki.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 09:03:14


Post by: Farseer M


 Koni wrote:
N3 Pre-order is now up at our online store:

http://infinitythegame.com/store/articulo.php?o=3&id=2359



18 euro for shipping? It is more than it was for O:I if i remember correctly.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 09:17:35


Post by: tommse


Do I get this mini only if I preorder at cb or do all retailers get access to it?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 09:28:39


Post by: Koni


Farseer M wrote:

18 euro for shipping? It is more than it was for O:I if i remember correctly.


N3 is heaviest than O:I, so shipping costs are higher.


Do I get this mini only if I preorder at cb or do all retailers get access to it?


All retailers get access to the exclusive miniature


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 09:36:57


Post by: Theophony


Farseer M wrote:
 Koni wrote:
N3 Pre-order is now up at our online store:

http://infinitythegame.com/store/articulo.php?o=3&id=2359



18 euro for shipping? It is more than it was for O:I if i remember correctly.


I just did a mock order and it came up €5 to the U.S., can't figure why yours came up 18 unless it's the Italian postage tax or something.

tommse wrote:Do I get this mini only if I preorder at cb or do all retailers get access to it?


All the retailers who preorder it will get the figure as well, thewarstore.com and miniaturemarket.com both have them listed.


I was wondering, as it's been a long time since I've ordered anything from England/Europe, the price Coruvs Beli has listed is €59.95(VAT included). Since we are outside the European commonwealth we don't pay VAT, so wouldn't it be cheaper for us to order it. I've got my preorder in at thewarstore.com, but I think either the conversion rate is off.(x-rate.com says $75.95), or they jumped the gun on pricing before all the details were out as they have listed price of $79.49.

Can anyone in the states (maybe someone who's ordered from CB) enlighten me on the VAT issue?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 10:01:25


Post by: -Loki-


Oh feth that Maghariba Guard looks amazing.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 10:08:30


Post by: Vain


That it does. It makes me want to throw my old one against a wall. And that saddens me.

My one saving grace was that I bought it in a group lot and effectively got it for free so I will just use it for painting practice.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 10:16:27


Post by: Farseer M


 Theophony wrote:
Farseer M wrote:
 Koni wrote:
N3 Pre-order is now up at our online store:

http://infinitythegame.com/store/articulo.php?o=3&id=2359




I just did a mock order and it came up €5 to the U.S., can't figure why yours came up 18 unless it's the Italian postage tax or something.






I don't think, I paid 18 euro for 2 box of O:I from Corvus Belli online shop. Anyway I think I will buy it from another retailer.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 10:21:53


Post by: gunslingerpro


 Vain wrote:
That it does. It makes me want to throw my old one against a wall. And that saddens me.

My one saving grace was that I bought it in a group lot and effectively got it for free so I will just use it for painting practice.


Or make it into terrain in someway.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 10:35:32


Post by: Vain


Objective marker is a good idea (Rescue/Explode the Tank scenarios etc)


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 12:29:22


Post by: Knight


At ~ 0:37 of the video, can someone read the text? I think it says "new destenies". Overall the video appears to be an intro, though I do like quick teases of the new art.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 12:58:47


Post by: Erasoketa


Aaand... preordered.


 Knight wrote:
At ~ 0:37 of the video, can someone read the text? I think it says "new destenies". Overall the video appears to be an intro, though I do like quick teases of the new art.


It says new designs


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 13:20:51


Post by: NuclearMessiah


Well preordered mine from warstore, CB was asking for 38 euros for shipping. Came out to $71.94 total when my shipping was tacked on from thewarstore.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 13:29:15


Post by: Knight


 Erasoketa wrote:
Aaand... preordered.


 Knight wrote:
At ~ 0:37 of the video, can someone read the text? I think it says "new destenies". Overall the video appears to be an intro, though I do like quick teases of the new art.


It says new designs


Neat.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 14:42:36


Post by: warboss


 Absolutionis wrote:


Maghariba Guard colored art.

Spoiler:





That does look very cool. Do infinity books have lost more of that "osprey" style art on the interior as well?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 15:39:23


Post by: Barzam


No wonder the Mag Guard is going to get its own silhouette. That thing looks huge!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 15:56:40


Post by: tommse


I´m pretty glad that I already play Haqqislam or I´d have to start that faction soon... Looking great.
Sad thing though that the new CA stuff looks amazing too...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 16:24:55


Post by: RoninXiC


Maghariba Guard has such a nice picture.. need that model NOW!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 16:30:52


Post by: drazz


I got out of Combined Army right before the Morats were re-done. And I've been able to avoid going back.

But, the new faction for Combined looks pretty gorgeous.

Stupid Infinity and making me collect 4 factions. And an extra sectoral here and there.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 16:49:08


Post by: Vertrucio


That's how such a small scale skirmish game stays alive.

Gotta keep the cool models coming out.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 17:36:47


Post by: Absolutionis


New BoW Infinity week videos.
No new N3 news. Just coolstuff.

Heavy usage of Anthenociti's Workshop and Warsenal's terrain for a forest outpost table.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 17:40:20


Post by: Erasoketa


Well, there are indeed some N3 news: Command Tokens:




The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 17:47:57


Post by: Absolutionis


New rules.
Explanation of the N3 rules of Command Tokens




Summary:

* You get 4 Command Tokens for the entire game, and can spend as many as you want per turn. Sometimes, you may be able to get more Command Tokens; example given was Sun Tzu.

* Lieutenant Order is no longer used to form fireteams. You must use the Command Token.



* In addition: Can use a Command Token to remove a unit from the Retreat state.

* Some Coordinated Orders will require the use of a Command Token and an Order.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 18:06:48


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Absolutionis wrote:
New BoW Infinity week videos.
No new N3 news. Just coolstuff.

Heavy usage of Anthenociti's Workshop and Warsenal's terrain for a forest outpost table.



For the life of me, I cannot find those buildings on the Antenocitis workshop website.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 18:11:09


Post by: Absolutionis


AW's main site links to a "Habitat Sneak Peak [sic]"
http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/habitat-sneak-peak-bow-weekender/

Additionally the BoW video says the AW terrain is 'brand new'.

The terrain probably just hasn't been put on the store yet.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 19:51:39


Post by: Vertrucio


Systema Gaming also just put their new MDF buildings for sale too.

A good time to get scifi terrain.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 20:36:43


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Vertrucio wrote:
Systema Gaming also just put their new MDF buildings for sale too.

A good time to get scifi terrain.


Those are snazzy, even if they're a rip on the micro-art studio stuff.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 21:05:18


Post by: Red Harvest


Maghariba Guard! Haqq gets to have the most awesomest TAG Do want. Now if they'll only re-sculpt the Tuareg...

To you guys posting these Rob Liefeld illustrations, Stop it! Or at least spoiler the hideous things.

So much Infinity Week goodness, and it is only Monday. I like the forest table. We use forest/trees quite a bit in my little group. Makes multi-terrain actually useful.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 21:18:50


Post by: Alpharius


Did they mention where the trees are from?

I'm always on the lookout for more good sources for terrain trees!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 21:20:06


Post by: Erasoketa


 Alpharius wrote:
Did they mention where the trees are from?

I'm always on the lookout for more good sources for terrain trees!


Many of them are made by themselves. They have a video about it for the Backstage users.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 21:21:32


Post by: IJW


Absolutionis wrote:AW's main site links to a "Habitat Sneak Peak [sic]"
http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/habitat-sneak-peak-bow-weekender/

Additionally the BoW video says the AW terrain is 'brand new'.

The terrain probably just hasn't been put on the store yet.


As far as I remember, the new habs will be part of the upcoming kickstarter.



Alpharius wrote:Did they mention where the trees are from?

I'm always on the lookout for more good sources for terrain trees!


They're standard K&M trees.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:01:34


Post by: Vertrucio


 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 Vertrucio wrote:
Systema Gaming also just put their new MDF buildings for sale too.

A good time to get scifi terrain.


Those are snazzy, even if they're a rip on the micro-art studio stuff.


Somewhat true, however the entirety of Infinity is a rip on a combination of Ghost in the Shell and Mass Effect. Both in turn were inspired by some incredible movies and artists that designed their looks.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:06:13


Post by: Absolutionis


 Vertrucio wrote:
 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
 Vertrucio wrote:
Systema Gaming also just put their new MDF buildings for sale too.

A good time to get scifi terrain.


Those are snazzy, even if they're a rip on the micro-art studio stuff.


Somewhat true, however the entirety of Infinity is a rip on a combination of Ghost in the Shell and Mass Effect. Both in turn were inspired by some incredible movies and artists that designed their looks.
Infinity came out in 2005. EA's DLC Quest: Space Iteration series first came out in 2007.

Especially considering the obvious and admitted anime influences, it's probably safer to assume that the game borrows concepts from cyberpunk anime in general rather than DLC Quest. Nobody is saying that Infinity itself is completely original. However, it is one of the few miniatures games that holds that art style.

The comments on the MAS terrain was basically comparing terrain with terrain. Blue Table Painting ripped off the MAS terrain and got a ton of flack for it. At least these other companies are exploring other aesthetics rather than outright ripping off like BTP did.

I, for one, am happy to see a variety of terrain-makers releasing products that are compliments for one another. I can use them alongside each other and it all fits.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:14:58


Post by: Alpharius


 IJW wrote:
alpharius wrote:
Did they mention where the trees are from?

I'm always on the lookout for more good sources for terrain trees!


They're standard K&M trees.


I don't know what that is - any links?

Thanks!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:19:16


Post by: Absolutionis


 Alpharius wrote:
 IJW wrote:
alpharius wrote:
Did they mention where the trees are from?

I'm always on the lookout for more good sources for terrain trees!


They're standard K&M trees.


I don't know what that is - any links?

Thanks!
It's a fairly 'classic' terrain company known for making products for model railroad enthusiasts.

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/wargaming-materials-tools/trees/k-m-trees.html


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:39:05


Post by: -Loki-


As a Haqislam player who loves Doctors but also sees them accidentally use their pistol instead of their medkit a lot, rerolling healing on models with cubes sounds great.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:43:31


Post by: Savnock


Not sure if anyone has noted this yet: Carlos said in the first BoW video that rules and profiles will be available online on January 1st.

Command tokens complete the reform of Lt. orders. Re-linking a team not revealing your Lt. is a big relief (since using your Lt. order reveals them now).

Using command tokens to negate the POS state is also interesting. Actually trying to POS a TAG will eat through both your own orders and the enemy's command tokens. Could be a legit tactic for a horde force with decent hacker support (like a Nomad vanilla force maybe).

Man, I get more excited for N3 with every day.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:48:38


Post by: Pacific


POS? I assume that doesn't mean point of sale?

Loki wrote:As a Haqislam player who loves Doctors but also sees them accidentally use their pistol instead of their medkit a lot, rerolling healing on models with cubes sounds great.


Yes, although Haqqislam doctors tend to get out their euthanasia pistols somewhat less than other factions! This is certainly going to make doctors more effective (and a primary target if your opponent has one..)


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:51:50


Post by: Kanluwen


 Pacific wrote:
POS? I assume that doesn't mean point of sale?

"POS"="Possessed".


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:53:29


Post by: Absolutionis


 -Loki- wrote:
As a Haqislam player who loves Doctors but also sees them accidentally use their pistol instead of their medkit a lot, rerolling healing on models with cubes sounds great.
In addition to the new Medikit Heal-Gun pistol, this has me excited for doctors. It's uncertain if this reroll applies to Medikits and Regeneration, though, but Haqqislam has plenty of both.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/13 22:59:14


Post by: GrimDork


I wonder about those auto-medkit things several of my upper tier shasvastii units come with, could lead to some amusing rampages if those command tokens help them stay alive longer than even before.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 00:52:07


Post by: Fix


 Savnock wrote:
Not sure if anyone has noted this yet: Carlos said in the first BoW video that rules and profiles will be available online on January 1st.


Actually he said the new profiles would be available in the army builder Jan 1st, but that the rules would be available sometime in 2015.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 02:16:02


Post by: GrimDork


So I just built my Mototronica scenery set from Icestorm, it's pretty darn nifty. And at just over 11 bucks at miniature market... I may just get another set!

Here's my unbox+build for anyone interested:
Jumbled gallery: http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-search.jsp?u=70053
Blog update: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1590/508854.page#7276516


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 05:11:29


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 GrimDork wrote:
So I just built my Mototronica scenery set from Icestorm, it's pretty darn nifty. And at just over 11 bucks at miniature market... I may just get another set!

Here's my unbox+build for anyone interested:
Jumbled gallery: http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/gallery-search.jsp?u=70053
Blog update: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1590/508854.page#7276516


Its really nice stuff & super cheap.
Makes a nice table even for 4X4 too probably, but I like some taller elements.

Unfortunately it doesn't really go with the micro-arts studio apartments, Comanche bunkers, & Kum garage I already have :-/



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 06:00:51


Post by: Red Harvest


If you have the micro-arts studio apartments, Comanche bunkers, & Kum garage you really don't need the Moto Tronics set. But it is quite useful along with the game mat for small learning games. And if you print some iKubes and such from Topo Solitario like those here http://www.toposolitario.com/workshop/index_papermodels.html and assemble them, you can expand your Moto Tronics stuff nicely. Stack iKubes for taller elements.

Command tokens. I wonder what else they will do. That moving a unit from one combat group to another is an interesting dynamic.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 07:00:51


Post by: Knight





BoW is putting videos up just in time of my coffee break.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 07:19:04


Post by: Absolutionis


Rules on the Game Sequence and Retreat rules.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 08:06:30


Post by: Usashi


Sounds interesting. Every change so far seams like a move in the right direction. Can't wait to try JSA with 3rd edition rules.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 10:26:44


Post by: Seriphis


Just wanted to post this because it doesnt seem to have been said in the previous page, the new Antenocitis stuff iirc is their preview items for their upcoming kickstarter.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 12:47:58


Post by: Pacific


many thanks for posting that summary Absolutionis.

75% retreat level should make the game a lot more attritional.

'Depending on the mission' sounds interesting as well - wonder if 3N is going to introduce a standard set of missions to play?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 13:05:07


Post by: GrenAcid


Sounds like a lot of troops with courage/religious will be happy about changes...my nomads are...to the last men we stand!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 13:14:58


Post by: GrimDork


Yeah, if my grunts get killed off, my Bakunin is liable to stick around from all of the Observance fanatics running about.

Standard missions implemented within the core rulebook would be nice too, that way you don't have to deal with the whole YAMS/ITS thing as much.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 14:33:09


Post by: RiTides


 Absolutionis wrote:
Tohaa Rasail Boarding Team. Boxed Set. Synchromized with Chaksa. Cannot make fireteams.



Oh, intriguing! Thanks for the pics


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 16:35:28


Post by: Absolutionis


TEMPLATES



* Templates ignore bonuses to partial cover (no +3 ARM).

* If you have LOS to the attacker, you can dodge a template attack at a normal PH roll (No more -6). If you do not have LOS, you may still dodge at a -3. If you choose to shoot, it's a straight normal roll.

Diagrams:

No LOS, no hit.
Spoiler:


You may hit enemies vertically.
Spoiler:




If you do not have LOS to the target you're trying to hit with a template weapon, you may not hit it. The concept of a "blast focus". In this scenario, the enemy on the bottom may declare an ARO. The top model is unaffected and does not get an ARO.
Spoiler:


Allied figures do not block LOS with regards to templates.
Spoiler:


The origin of the template is anywhere from inside the silhouette. Not beside. This includes vertically.
Spoiler:




However, with a shotgun, the blast focus is located differently. New N3 Rule: In this scenario, even if the frontmost enemy decides to shoot back against the shotgunner, the template is still placed (regardless of the shotgun roll) and the other two hit models must react accordingly. This works the same with Rocket Launchers. These are called Terminal Templates to contrast to the Direct Templates with flamethrowers and chain rifles. This whole concept is rather complex and may require watching the video.
Spoiler:


Summary.



In that photographed summary scenario, the furthest Fusilier is facing away and would normally not get an ARO. However, because the shotgun places her under the template as a Terminal Template, she may now perform an ARO (to dodge at -3). The dodges are all face-to-face rolls against the shotgunner.

Note that also in this scenario, even if the frontmost fusilier shoots back against the shotgunner and succeeds, he is not hit. However, the shotgun template is not negated and the other two Fusiliers must ARO or be hit.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 18:00:44


Post by: GrenAcid


Nice vid...and I cant say anything bad...sounds solid. I like CB trying to make N3 idiotproof.

Only thing that bugs me are guys who use this situation to move minis with all that shingshangs with silhouette placement.

PS. I like boarding shotgun more and more....first +6 in close range now template buff....Yeah!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 19:04:26


Post by: Savnock


Yeah, I'm really really glad I didn't convert all my shotguns into other things, now (mainly combis because they hide the Lt. better in most linkteams). I was about to do that before N3 was announced.

The change to make templates affect secondary targets regardless of whether the first target wins/loses the FtoF roll is a really good indicator that tangled "quantum" rules issues have been cleared up. Such a good sign!

Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoC AROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 19:52:22


Post by: Alpharius


 Savnock wrote:

Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoC AROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.


My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 20:21:27


Post by: Dheneb


 Alpharius wrote:
 Savnock wrote:

Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoC AROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.


My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?


Exactly what it says - you get behind them, in their ZOC, with your first short skill, which forces a change facing ARO. Then you can unload on them unopposed with your second. It's especially nasty with the sepsitor, which turns it into a straight WIP roll to possess a model. At WIP 16, minimum. The issue is, you can't delay your ARO, you have to use it immediately or lose it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 20:57:06


Post by: Sangarn


Bolt will have the veteran rule (no retreat when in loss of lieutenant and retreat state) so they will be less crappy
Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 21:58:40


Post by: bantha_beast


 Sangarn wrote:

Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p


They explained medikits in one of the recent seminar videos if thats what you mean?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 22:36:54


Post by: -Loki-


 Sangarn wrote:
Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p


There was no buff incoming, they said that N3 would explain why she was paying for both the Doctor skill and a Medkit. This is explained by Medkits now having Pistol range, B2, and heal on a Ph-3 roll. So she can heal with that at range or as a Doctor in base to base contact.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/14 23:01:53


Post by: Sangarn


That look like a buff to me.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 01:13:26


Post by: Casey's Law


I need a white metal IV and Kneadatite enema! Stat!!

Just went through over 200 pages of Infinity News and Rumours... and Whining and Bickering. And I am so pumped! Feels like home. Pretty much everything on my wishlist last I was here has been fulfilled too so I'm calculating an order already! With N3 dropping I absolutely have to find a group and start playing... or build a table and start my own group.

Pacific wrote:So I'm guessing that must be 'Maya', the 24th century equivalent of the MS Paperclip?

Hah!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 01:19:54


Post by: -Loki-


Well it is, but they didn't specifically say a buff was coming, which was my point. They said they were going to clarify why she was paying for a medkit she wasn't going to use.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 01:53:05


Post by: Kalamadea


 Dheneb wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Savnock wrote:

Now we see if they cleared up the nasty ZoC AROs issues that jerks use to force change of facing instead of something like dodge. If that got fixed, N3 is in a good place. If not, the player community may have to agree on some "universal houserules" to make the game more playable.


My actual gameplay experience with INFINITY is limited - what exactly is that about?


Exactly what it says - you get behind them, in their ZOC, with your first short skill, which forces a change facing ARO. Then you can unload on them unopposed with your second. It's especially nasty with the sepsitor, which turns it into a straight WIP roll to possess a model. At WIP 16, minimum. The issue is, you can't delay your ARO, you have to use it immediately or lose it.


I don't get it, isn't it SUPPOSED to work that way, though? You spend your ARO turning around, they surprised you, caught you from behind. Flat-footed. Off guard.

Or is it a matter of "it should work that way logically but mechanically it's unbalanced"?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 05:18:25


Post by: Knight


 -Loki- wrote:
 Sangarn wrote:
Still waiting for the N3 bipandra buff ... :p


There was no buff incoming, they said that N3 would explain why she was paying for both the Doctor skill and a Medkit. This is explained by Medkits now having Pistol range, B2, and heal on a Ph-3 roll. So she can heal with that at range or as a Doctor in base to base contact.


This is the worst tax for the synergy given.

Bolts's saving grace might be the missing profile or new ITS.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 05:24:41


Post by: -Loki-


I dunno. If you're not paying for a palbot, the ranged medigun will have situational viability. Sometimes you don't want your doctors arse shot off trying to save someone. you just prefer to have them mistake their medigun for a pistol and finish the enemies job for them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 05:36:07


Post by: Knight


Plain paramedics can do the same for much cheaper cost. You will also always try to take a pal bot with a doctor. If the doctor is unable to move out of total cover, you'll likely want to spend orders on removing the threat rather than trying to hit your wounded model and then have it perform PH - 3 check.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 06:06:37


Post by: plastictrees


Are we expecting new Moderator sculpts at all, and/or a new Bakunin box?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 06:14:30


Post by: Absolutionis


Desert Palace board overview.
No N3 News.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 07:00:26


Post by: Casey's Law


Have we heard anything at all on Sogarats or Rasyats for any future releases?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 08:16:43


Post by: Pacific


Glad to see you around again Casey's Law

Not sure about those as new CA minis? Sure I read something about the Sogarat and new concept art for that, although I may have confused it for a Suryat?

Absolutionis - really cool of you to keep linking the BoW vids over here, I'll post the link here to the site which I think is considered good form with this kind of thing
:http://www.beastsofwar.com/infinity/infinity-table-chat-2-desert-palace/


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 08:35:46


Post by: Micky


 drazz wrote:
I got out of Combined Army right before the Morats were re-done. And I've been able to avoid going back.

But, the new faction for Combined looks pretty gorgeous.

Stupid Infinity and making me collect 4 factions. And an extra sectoral here and there.


Combined Army was where I started. I shelved it when the new Morats happened cuz I was Morat heavy.

The other day, after seeing the Umbra model, I dumped most of my old collection in paint stripper.


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 Absolutionis wrote:
Rules on the Game Sequence and Retreat rules.



Summary of the video:

* Impetuous hasn't changed much.

* Irregular hasn't changed much.



Not sure it was in this video, but in one of these videos i think Carlos also mentioned that Impetuous troops can't benefit from cover either?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 10:22:12


Post by: -Loki-


 Knight wrote:
Plain paramedics can do the same for much cheaper cost.


But that Paramedic won't have the doctor option in base to base.

 Knight wrote:
You will also always try to take a pal bot with a doctor.


Incorrect. That's purely a personal playstyle choice. i've taken doctors without palbots before, and I will again. Palbots to me are point fillers. I won't go out of my way to include them. Again, a personal playstyle choice.

 Knight wrote:
If the doctor is unable to move out of total cover, you'll likely want to spend orders on removing the threat rather than trying to hit your wounded model and then have it perform PH - 3 check.


And what if your palbot is on the other side of the board, and trying to get there will take it through overlapping fields of fire from AROs? Afterall, the point of a palbot is to put the doctoring ability in more than one place. Keeping it next to the doctor is pointless. Then you'd have to rely on the doctor. And you don't want the doctor to get shot, and you'd likely either let them rot, or risk the medikit.

I never said it was always going to be the option you went with. but it is a situationally effective option, and a choice you make when you take Bipandra over, say, a Trauma Doc. And it does justify why she's paying for both - because the medkit isn't just turning it into an ineffective doctor, making it redundant on Bipandra.


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 Micky wrote:
Not sure it was in this video, but in one of these videos i think Carlos also mentioned that Impetuous troops can't benefit from cover either?


Mentioned at the Feast of Blades conference. Impetuous units (and bikes that aren't Impetuous) won't get cover bonuses of +3 ARM or -3 BS to hit them. At all, not just in the Impetuous order as as first speculated.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 11:12:30


Post by: NuclearMessiah


 Casey's Law wrote:
Have we heard anything at all on Sogarats or Rasyats for any future releases?


HMG Sogarat is coming December, no info on any new Rasyats yet, however we do have a new Morat unit coming along next year sometime.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 12:53:36


Post by: Space Ranger


Other than Impetuous troops not getting cover. I'm pretty happy with what I've heard so far. I don't mind the no cover on my pretas but that would really hurt my shaolin. I never liked they were impetuous in the first place though. Irregular yes. Impetuous no.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 13:00:54


Post by: GrimDork


All war bands are bloodthirsty khorne berserkers who don't know how to duck, from the sound of it. (Forgive me if shaolin are not war bands, shaky on that faction)

Hey does that mean my riot grrl will not get cover? Aren't they impetuous frenzy or something, change state after kill? I guess it would happen then. Even more reason to link them instead it seems.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 13:27:30


Post by: Space Ranger


Unless they change the background, Shaolin are far from being bloodthirsty. These are guys that train and meditate to fight but it doesn't mean they rush into battle. Having been in Martial Arts for many years and having actually met some. I know it to not be the case.

The no cover rule makes some sense for some Impetuous troops though.

Dats are going to have an advantage with mimitisim.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 13:32:19


Post by: GrenAcid


Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out? In that case link will be sound option.

 Space Ranger wrote:
Unless they change the background, Shaolin are far from being bloodthirsty. These are guys that train and meditate to fight but it doesn't mean they rush into battle. Having been in Martial Arts for many years and having actually met some. I know it to not be the case.

The no cover rule makes some sense for some Impetuous troops though.

Dats are going to have an advantage with mimitisim.


We talking about shaolin in future with aliens,warpholes and matrix....so yeah...they can be Khorn version.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 13:51:16


Post by: GrimDork


I wasn't implying shaolin were bloodthirsty, just that it seems to be the expected behavior for all war bands.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 13:52:04


Post by: Knight


 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?


You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 14:35:02


Post by: Alpharius


Impetuous losing all benefits from cover seems odd, but I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 14:40:46


Post by: GrenAcid


 Knight wrote:
 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?


You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.


Im not, frenzy=impetuous unless you are not planing to kill enemies with her, yes they are cool but right now Rgirls benefit much from cover bonus.....and its not so hard to kill them, arm 3 is nice but dont make them tank.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 15:18:02


Post by: d-usa


Changes are always a cause for anxiety, but so far it seems like all the changes have been very well thought out and are not just "changes for the sake of making changes and all seem very well thought out.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 15:52:03


Post by: Pacific


Have these pics been posted yet? From a new Booty Hunter articles on BoW
http://www.beastsofwar.com/infinity/infinity-arachne-authorised-bounty-hunters/







The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 15:55:27


Post by: drazz


Impetuous losing cover makes sense to me. By definition, impetuous means to move without concern, so why would an impetuous unit move carefully into cover? Especially when you must be very precise and stop exactly touching the cover.

Bikes are interesting though. I suppose the rationale is that they are too large to benefit from cover. Meanwhile, over games make bike riders more difficult to harm, essentially carrying their cover with them.

Not sure which side I like.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 17:56:04


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 drazz wrote:
Impetuous losing cover makes sense to me. By definition, impetuous means to move without concern, so why would an impetuous unit move carefully into cover? Especially when you must be very precise and stop exactly touching the cover.

Bikes are interesting though. I suppose the rationale is that they are too large to benefit from cover. Meanwhile, over games make bike riders more difficult to harm, essentially carrying their cover with them.

Not sure which side I like.


Motorcycle troops are all impetuous anyway so it's kinda moot.
Perhaps we have a reason to dismount now?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 18:17:37


Post by: Absolutionis


Close Combat rules.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 18:40:56


Post by: GrenAcid


Good for my chimera and nazi-furrys, but sad for Tags....even more ways to kill them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 18:58:40


Post by: Sangarn


TAG are dead RIP


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:00:02


Post by: Erasoketa


 Absolutionis wrote:
If both models have Martial Arts, the Reactive Player chooses first.


I think that's not true. I think Carlos is talking about using your orders wisely. If you declare move as the first shor skill of your order, the other specialist has to declare his ARO before you declare your second short skill. That way, when the specialist declares a CC roll with some MA level, you can adapt to the circumstances. So if you declare a CC attack as your first short skill, the enemy specialist could addapt better to your attack. So I think that what Carlos means is: if your are going to attack a MA specialist in CC, do it with your second skill.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:09:50


Post by: PsychoticStorm


Correct, the MA skill must be declared at the point of short skill declaration.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:28:37


Post by: Absolutionis


 Erasoketa wrote:
 Absolutionis wrote:
If both models have Martial Arts, the Reactive Player chooses first.


I think that's not true. I think Carlos is talking about using your orders wisely. If you declare move as the first shor skill of your order, the other specialist has to declare his ARO before you declare your second short skill. That way, when the specialist declares a CC roll with some MA level, you can adapt to the circumstances. So if you declare a CC attack as your first short skill, the enemy specialist could addapt better to your attack. So I think that what Carlos means is: if your are going to attack a MA specialist in CC, do it with your second skill.
Pardon. I misunderstood the example they were giving with models already in Base-to-base contact.


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The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:35:33


Post by: Knight


 GrenAcid wrote:
 Knight wrote:
 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?


You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.


Im not, frenzy=impetuous unless you are not planing to kill enemies with her, yes they are cool but right now Rgirls benefit much from cover bonus.....and its not so hard to kill them, arm 3 is nice but dont make them tank.


Similar with Magister Knights, you want to dodge with them. It's rather difficult to imagine you're triggering frenzy on your first turn, anyway I don't expect any price reduction on frenzy units.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:46:58


Post by: Pacific




That is, quite simply, one of the coolest things I have ever seen.

What is the story behind these guys?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 19:58:40


Post by: drazz


They're Tohaa who have decided to join with the Combined Army instead of fight against them.

I think.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 20:01:23


Post by: PsychoticStorm


IIRC Umbrals are not Tohaa.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 20:25:53


Post by: Bladerunner2019


Did anybody catch what Carlos said about camo'ed units moving into CC?

He said ninjas will be much more useful for example.

But it wasn't entirely clear what exactly having camo to surprise the opponent will do for you in CC...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 20:27:25


Post by: Sangarn


@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 21:53:59


Post by: Noir


 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar



They are not aspect, they are their own race. We don't know much about then yet and likely will not until the new book.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 21:54:20


Post by: str00dles1


 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target


Can you break down what each of the negative mod is? -3 TO Camo, -3 Surprise, what else?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 21:58:47


Post by: Absolutionis


str00dles1 wrote:
 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target


Can you break down what each of the negative mod is? -3 TO Camo, -3 Surprise, what else?
Martial Arts lvl 5

Spoiler:


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 21:59:31


Post by: Sangarn


-6 for TO camo (-3 is camo) -3 for MA -3 for surprise


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 22:12:11


Post by: GrimDork


Well that sounds pretty solid, not as likely to get shot with such nasty modifiers.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 22:48:59


Post by: Ronin_eX


Can't listen to the vids yet. Was it confirmed that the only pick-and-choose close-combat rule was Martial Arts. Being a leveled skill, it made sense in that way. But there was still some uncertainty of whether you could do things like mix a level of MA with Berzerk and have that over top of, say, Assault.

Or combine things like Natrual Born Warrior and i-Kohl together.

Because things like MA4+Assault, or MA1+Berzerk+Assault will make for some nasty combos when you get down to it. I'm just hoping this is possible and that the only things that don't stack are the various MA levels.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 22:56:19


Post by: Erasoketa


 Ronin_eX wrote:
Can't listen to the vids yet. Was it confirmed that the only pick-and-choose close-combat rule was Martial Arts. Being a leveled skill, it made sense in that way. But there was still some uncertainty of whether you could do things like mix a level of MA with Berzerk and have that over top of, say, Assault.

Or combine things like Natrual Born Warrior and i-Kohl together.

Because things like MA4+Assault, or MA1+Berzerk+Assault will make for some nasty combos when you get down to it. I'm just hoping this is possible and that the only things that don't stack are the various MA levels.


Hmm... what I know:

- Yes, it's been confirmed that you have to choose one of the MA levels among the ones you have available.
- Assault is a part of Berzerk. Troops with Berzerk have Assault. Troops with Assault might not have Berzerk.
- On mixing Berzerk + Assault + MA, as far as I understood it, I think it's possible.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/15 23:27:36


Post by: Padre


 Pacific wrote:


That is, quite simply, one of the coolest things I have ever seen.


Agreed completely.

I can see a conversion of this guy, wielding a lightsaber, as a beautiful display piece...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 00:31:40


Post by: Kanluwen


 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

From what we have seen of the Umbra Legates so far, this is not the case.

The Umbra Legates are being hinted at as part of the race that actually designed the EI.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:00:02


Post by: Red Harvest


That Umbra Legate's hand gesture... How very rude.

At this point all the little bits and pieces of info are getting confusing. I think we'll need to see the entire new ruleset, and play a few games, before we can real assess it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:03:40


Post by: carlos13th


So am I right in thinking template weapons ignore cover? Not a fan of shotguns utterly negating cover if thats the case.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:16:31


Post by: Absolutionis


 carlos13th wrote:
So am I right in thinking template weapons ignore cover? Not a fan of shotguns utterly negating cover if thats the case.
The video made a distinction between what was termed "Direct Templates" and "Terminal Templates".

Direct Templates are simply placed and include Chain Rifles, Flamethrowers, Nanopulsers, etc. This ignores cover.

Terminal Templates require a target to attack and then place a template at the target. These include Rocket Launchers and Shotguns. I do not believe these ignore cover.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:16:33


Post by: -Loki-


To be fair, shotguns are pretty terrible outsite of point blank range. If you're letting a shotgun get that close to you to dominate, either your board is too cluttered (they're apparently trying to get people to adopt the Spanish terrain setups, which have a lot less scatter terrain and are less dense overall), or you just were being silly and let a shotgun get into point blank range and really deserve it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:20:32


Post by: Absolutionis


 -Loki- wrote:
To be fair, shotguns are pretty terrible outsite of point blank range. If you're letting a shotgun get that close to you to dominate, either your board is too cluttered (they're apparently trying to get people to adopt the Spanish terrain setups, which have a lot less scatter terrain and are less dense overall), or you just were being silly and let a shotgun get into point blank range and really deserve it.
With Boarding Shotguns getting a +6 at close range, they may become much more useful. Plus, many models that have shotguns tend to have it as a 'side arm' of sorts. Haqqislam gives light shotguns to everyone to pretty much complement their rifles to make up for their lack of Combi Rifles.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 01:45:35


Post by: -Loki-


Well yeah, but my point is still - if someones getting close enough to dominate with shotguns (not their sidearms, not the weapon its slung to, the shotgun specifically), you've either got too much terrain down (Infinity isn't about placing as much terrain as possible - you need to really think about table setup so no one range band dominates) or you simply let someone get close enough to dominate with them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 02:13:44


Post by: acekevin8412


 Ronin_eX wrote:
Can't listen to the vids yet. Was it confirmed that the only pick-and-choose close-combat rule was Martial Arts. Being a leveled skill, it made sense in that way. But there was still some uncertainty of whether you could do things like mix a level of MA with Berzerk and have that over top of, say, Assault.

Or combine things like Natrual Born Warrior and i-Kohl together.

Because things like MA4+Assault, or MA1+Berzerk+Assault will make for some nasty combos when you get down to it. I'm just hoping this is possible and that the only things that don't stack are the various MA levels.

Just curious what exactly is the "assault" rule. I searched on the infinity wiki and couldn't find anything nor google.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 02:19:53


Post by: -Loki-


Assault isn't in the Wiki because it's a 3rd edition rule.

Assault lets you combine both MOV values to make a long charge and get a free CC attack at -3 to hit when you reach base to base contact, as long as you have Line of Sight to the enemy when you declare it.

This is instead of the usual rule that if you spend only your first MOV getting to combat, you can make your second short order a CC attack, but if you use both short orders on movement to get there, you don't get to swing until your next order.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 02:20:22


Post by: Absolutionis


 acekevin8412 wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:
Can't listen to the vids yet. Was it confirmed that the only pick-and-choose close-combat rule was Martial Arts. Being a leveled skill, it made sense in that way. But there was still some uncertainty of whether you could do things like mix a level of MA with Berzerk and have that over top of, say, Assault.

Or combine things like Natrual Born Warrior and i-Kohl together.

Because things like MA4+Assault, or MA1+Berzerk+Assault will make for some nasty combos when you get down to it. I'm just hoping this is possible and that the only things that don't stack are the various MA levels.

Just curious what exactly is the "assault" rule. I searched on the infinity wiki and couldn't find anything nor google.
It's a new rule.

It's essentially a "Charge". If you have LOS to your target at the beginning of the Order, you may move the full X-Y distance and then perform a CC attack at -3. This is all one Order.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 03:04:54


Post by: Casey's Law


 Casey's Law wrote:
Have we heard anything at all on Sogarats or Rasyats for any future releases?
Pacific wrote:Glad to see you around again Casey's Law

Not sure about those as new CA minis? Sure I read something about the Sogarat and new concept art for that, although I may have confused it for a Suryat?
NuclearMessiah wrote:HMG Sogarat is coming December, no info on any new Rasyats yet, however we do have a new Morat unit coming along next year sometime.

Thanks! Good news on the Soga, December will be here before I know it. Wish the Ras was on it's way though.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 04:08:12


Post by: Bladerunner2019


Public Service Announcement:

New players shouldn't really get caught up watching the N3 preview videos. They are meant more for experienced players who know the current rules & want to see how the game will change.

I know nobody likes the noob treatment. However, it is better to just wait a little while (start painting your minis) and learn everything fresh when N3 is released.

These videos are slices of the N3 rules that don't readily fit into our understanding as of second edition. Also many clips end with Carlos saying there will be more aspects to each topic that we'll only see once the final rules come out.

Icestorm is on the shelves now. Get that, start tinkering with those noob rules, paint those models, consider getting some more support units (Iguana, Jotum, Auxila, Interventors) & worry about the full implications of N3 in 2015.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 08:46:47


Post by: IJW


 Pacific wrote:
Have these pics been posted yet? From a new Booty Hunter articles on BoW


Why thank you!


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

From what we have seen of the Umbra Legates so far, this is not the case.

The Umbra Legates are being hinted at as part of the race that actually designed the EI.


Umbra Legates = Ur Rationalists?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 15:16:43


Post by: GrenAcid


More charts, more lv....oh I feel like im in DnD again....good to be back.
DT ammo sounds like Jessie&James team....hehehehe.

Oh and isolated is so freakin coooooool!
but I think they made there mistake...how E/M makes you Imm-2??


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 15:41:59


Post by: Erasoketa


LOTS of discontinued models:

Koni@Official forums wrote:Hello everyone. This is the list of Q4 2014 discontinued references:


-References discontinued to reduce the size of the catalogue (you can find them also on starters or compilation boxes):

280207-0020 Fusilier (Hacker).
280210-0028 Fusilier (HMG).
280507-0052 Alguacil (Hacker).
280510-0060 Reverend Moira (Shock CCW, Multi Rifle).
280319-0093 Wu Ming (Boarding Shotgun).
280218-0101 Fusilier (Sniper).
280323-0118 Keisotsu Butai (Combi Rifle).
280423-0134 Daylami Infantry (Rifle, Panzerfaust).
280333-0184 Kempeitai (Boarding Shotgun).
280531-0194 Moderators from Bakunin (Combi Rifle).
280235-0203 Fusilier (Light GL).
280238-0221 Acontecimento Regulars (Combi Rifle, Combi Rifle + Light GL).
280631-0223 Seed Soldiers (Combi Rifle, Combi Rifle + Light GL).
280806-0238 Dakini Tactbots (Combi Rifle).
280141-0262 Métros (Rifle, Rifle and Light Grenade Launcher).
280152-0337 Zouaves (D.E.P. Assault Pistol).
280264-0415 Knights of Santiago (Combi Rifle + Boarding Shotgun).
280237-0489 Knights of Santiago (Boarding shotgun, AP CCW).



-References discontinued due to the release of N3, PENDING OF RENEWAL (their profiles will remain at the Army):

280421-0124 Ahl Fassed (Boarding Shotgun)
280426-0149 Halqa (Rifle + Light Shotgun)
280705-0174 Avicenna


-References discontinued due to the release of N3 FOREVER (no Army profiles):

280204-0013 Akalis, Sikh Commandos (combi rifle, HMG).
280302-0009 Invincible (HMG).
280306-0022 Invincible (Multi Rifle).
280304-0016 Tiger Soldiers (combi rifle, HMG).
280411-0057 Hassassin Ragiks (HMG, Rifle).
280616-0125 Caskuda (TAG).
280607-0085 Iskaller Jump Operator (Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun).
280618-0136 Void Operators (HMG).
280615-0123 Vector Operator (HMG)
280626-0187 Vector Operator (Hacker).


-References discontinued due to the October releases:


280406-0038 Janissaire (HMG).
280112-0054 Dog Warrior + Dog Face (2 Chain Rifle, AP CCW).
280353-0329 Tokusetsu Butai (Doctor/ Engineer).


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 15:49:28


Post by: warboss


I'm not sure what to make of that discontinued list. Does the second last category mean that those models are just gone completely or will just get new numbers? (like the Sikh Commandos) The part about no army profiles would indicate the former but I'm really not knowledgeable about how infinity handles edition swaps and new replacement models/sculpts.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 15:50:29


Post by: Kanluwen


Most AD troops have been said to lose their HMGs, so it makes sense.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 16:12:05


Post by: Ronin_eX


Huh, Hellcats aren't on the list though. Should be a nice boon for them in the face of the advantages of the Tiger and the Ragik (especially with the way Dogged works now for the latter). Honesltly, given the profile shift, I prefer the Spitfire for my Tigers anyways. And I'm glad the vanilla Invincible is going away to be replaced by a wealth of more specialized profiles that do its job better than it ever did.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 16:12:09


Post by: Riquende


And combi? Th way it looks there, they're not making an N3 profile for one of the models in Icestorm...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 16:27:04


Post by: Kanluwen


 Riquende wrote:
And combi? Th way it looks there, they're not making an N3 profile for one of the models in Icestorm...

They were a double blister.

The Akalis with Combi Rifle is now in the upcoming PanOceania starter, and if the Akalis are losing the HMG then there is no real reason to retain the blister.
Same thing goes with the Tiger Soldiers and Hassassin Ragiks to be honest.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 16:33:51


Post by: Barzam


Well, looks like I need to make an order or two. So long Exrah, we hardly knew ye.

I suspect that a lot of those unit are getting new sculpts. I hope that since the Ahl Fassed listing is staying that they get some new moxels and higher AVA.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 16:37:32


Post by: Kanluwen


 Barzam wrote:
Well, looks like I need to make an order or two. So long Exrah, we hardly knew ye.

I suspect that a lot of those unit are getting new sculpts. I hope that since the Ahl Fassed listing is staying that they get some new moxels and higher AVA.

The wording of "References discontinued due to the release of N3, PENDING OF RENEWAL(their profiles will remain at the Army):" for the Ahl Fassed, Haqla, and Avicenna tends to agree with you.

The ones directly above that are basically all blisters that have their components inside of starter boxes or in the case of Fusiliers have an upcoming box with the special options.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:06:40


Post by: NuclearMessiah


Also to spare going off topic, koni started a discontinued model thread in the general discussion that way we dont mess our new thread up to much

I thought about buying some Exrah, but since they get no profile in N3, there is no point other then to collect.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:13:02


Post by: Sangarn


So Akali loose theirs HMG but the Crusader Brethren keep it ? makes no sense


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:18:51


Post by: plastictrees


It makes no sense right now, but we aren't being shown 80% of the relevant info at the moment.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:32:53


Post by: ClockworkChaos


We really are missing a lot of the pieces of the big picture, but that actually makes me more excited for what is to come. Obviously they are trending away from HMGs on drop troops but that just makes those that keep the HMG to be that much more unique. It diversifies the troops more. At least that is the way I see it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:39:39


Post by: Bolognesus


caskuda out? Damn...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:41:45


Post by: d-usa


Fluff wise it makes sense to me not to have drop droops with HMGs, seems like they would have more mobile and light options.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:51:16


Post by: Barzam


Hope there's something to replace the Caskuda. Maybe a TAG for the corrupted Tohaa?


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:51:41


Post by: Alpharius


The Caskuda is discontinued, no profile going forward?!?

Please tell me I"m reading that wrong and/or I am confused!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:53:38


Post by: NuclearMessiah


 Alpharius wrote:
The Caskuda is discontinued, no profile going forward?!?

Please tell me I"m reading that wrong and/or I am confused!


Nope spot on.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 17:57:04


Post by: Knight


New hacking rules, I do not like them.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 18:06:34


Post by: Sangarn


Panoceania do not likes them,
never get why we should have the worst hacker of the sphere anyway


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 18:10:19


Post by: Erasoketa


I'm not a friend of squatting stuff. These changes don't affect me, but I don't like it at all. Well, probably some minor changes will affect me in the future (Paracommando HMG hasn't been discontinued yet, but I'm guessing he will be in the next batch).


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 18:12:32


Post by: Fenriswulf


I play Ariadna and I don't like them. I doubt I will be able to take an effective hacker for my force, yet I now will have to contend with hackers who can now attack my own guys without much recourse for me to take against them?

Lucky I play Merovingians, and I don't have many HI options to choose from, but it cheeses me off a bit that a force which is supposed to be basically unhackable (due to wearing Tesseum body armour) now is suddenly as vulnerable as factions whose dudes walk around in power armour suits.

I know it's likely to be part of a grander change to things, I just hope it doesn't make me want to tear my hair out because of it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 18:19:04


Post by: Alpharius


NuclearMessiah wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
The Caskuda is discontinued, no profile going forward?!?

Please tell me I"m reading that wrong and/or I am confused!


Nope spot on.


Damn!

Erasoketa wrote:I'm not a friend of squatting stuff. These changes don't affect me, but I don't like it at all. Well, probably some minor changes will affect me in the future (Paracommando HMG hasn't been discontinued yet, but I'm guessing he will be in the next batch).


I'm still shocked this happened.

This is probably the first time I've been genuinely upset at something CB's done with INFINITY.




The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 18:32:26


Post by: Casey's Law


I'm finding it hard to worry about any of the changes simply because they have yet to lead me wrong. A bit blind maybe but I'm more than happy to be lead by the hand through the darkness of N3 transition. I'll get upset about something when I have something to be upset about.

Edit: Not to belittle how anyone else feels by the way. That's just my attitude towards it.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:18:07


Post by: Alpharius


Still angry over the Caskuda loss.

...Cannot process new info currently...


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:28:54


Post by: Kanluwen


Vote with your wallet then.

According to CB, the Exrah stuff is their absolute worst sellers and that is why they are cutting new support.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:33:04


Post by: Alpharius


 Kanluwen wrote:
Vote with your wallet then.

According to CB, the Exrah stuff is their absolute worst sellers and that is why they are cutting new support.


Ha!

I already voted with my wallet - I'm not buying two Caskuda models.

Especially not now!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:35:42


Post by: Absolutionis


The Caskuda may just be 'discontinued' as its an AD HMG. For all we know, it'll be rereleased with a Spitfire or something. Let's not panic just yet. They're discontinuing a bunch of AD HMG Exrah along with it. It just so happens that the Exrah were all heavy into AD.

Perhaps they will get a visual rework and be rereleased soon with modern-friendly profiles. There is still plenty of time for resculpts and updates between N3 and Archeron Falls.

There is zero evidence that it's being discontinued because it's unpopular or a poor seller. That's nonsense.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:40:44


Post by: carlos13th


I can understand not wanting to make new versions of something that sells poorly but its a shame that something as expensive as a TAG is now useless in game for some people.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:41:47


Post by: Alpharius


I hope that's the case.

I love that model, and I love a lot of the Exrah line too.

I'm still a bit worried though as the Caskadu model is carrying anything that's readily identifiable as...anything anyway!



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 19:48:34


Post by: Red Corsair


I got my Operation: Icestorm today! The rules are extremely basic it appears and the missions are designed to walk you through the core mechanics.... I am off to work where I will try and sneak some reading in

Very excited.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:00:01


Post by: Theophony


Lucky git. I'm waiting on a second wave of O:I from thewarstore.com. CB is waiting on dice to fill the order , I have dice, just need the game .


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:04:10


Post by: GrenAcid


 Fenriswulf wrote:
I play Ariadna and I don't like them. I doubt I will be able to take an effective hacker for my force, yet I now will have to contend with hackers who can now attack my own guys without much recourse for me to take against them?

You have mercs, and if you play Mero you have Aguacil hackers


Lucky I play Merovingians, and I don't have many HI options to choose from, but it cheeses me off a bit that a force which is supposed to be basically unhackable (due to wearing Tesseum body armour) now is suddenly as vulnerable as factions whose dudes walk around in power armour suits.

I know it's likely to be part of a grander change to things, I just hope it doesn't make me want to tear my hair out because of it.

Dude, read the rules you HI is UNHACKABLE cuz reasons you just wrote.

All I hear is just buthurt cry over how Ariadna is forced to think, now we pay from 20 to 50 points for dude you can laugh at....I wish I could laugh at those werewolves or 15 cammo markers.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:10:30


Post by: Red Harvest


I saw that photo of your dice collection Theo. Yes, you have dice. It's a good thing. The Icestorm dice have a faction logo for the number one, and they are kind of neat to have. Worth the wait. I'll still use my Game Science D20s most of the time though. I'm old school.

Use the caskuda as a cock-raicho (caskuda means cockroach in Galician. Or spell it cascuda.) All the other Exrah are proxies in N3. I'm surprised they did not get a legacy profile. Ah well. My HMG Ragik needs a new weapon too. Or, wait, the new Hassassin Spitfire looks amazingly like the old Hassassin HMG Demanding WYSIWYG in Infinity is kind of silly, IMHO.

At GenCon this year, the CB CEO, Fernando Liste, mentioned that CB has made one decision based (solely) on economics, and that was about the Exrah. We now know what that decision was.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:15:09


Post by: Bladerunner2019


Glad to see CB cutting the fat with a machete, not a scalpel. This had to be done. Despite their sudden popularity & tons of new players spending $$, CB is still a small company. Maintaining a bloated catalogue is not feasible. Besides, everyone likes buying their boxes & hates ponying up the $$ to buy blisters.

Exrah & Void/Vector operators were hideous models. Definitely some of the worst from the old guard. I hope the Chronotids are excised as well. They're not much to look at & need a resculpt. I liked the Caskuda, but the studio color scheme was ghastly. Angel Giraldez said he would never have chosen to paint it like a half boiled lobster, but that's what they wanted.

CA will have new broken units with lovely models to look forward to in N3. You're losing some fugly bug guys & getting sinister Tohaa & Umbra Legates, plus whatever diabolical new constructs are in store. The new line troops, Unidron Batroids, are especially scary since they'll have plasma rifles I believe. Shotty Template with ARM roll AND BTS roll? come on!


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:18:24


Post by: Absolutionis


Acheron Falls is supposed to be heavily about the Combined Army invasion or something like that. The Exrah may get their comeback then.

I don't understand why the profiles are being removed altogether, but it may be because they're giving the Exrah their new identity in the book similar to how Morats, and Shavastii have their own innate racial rules when their sectorial's turn come around. Morats have had their time in the spotlight as of recently.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:25:59


Post by: Bladerunner2019


 Absolutionis wrote:
Acheron Falls is supposed to be heavily about the Combined Army invasion or something like that. The Exrah may get their comeback then.

I don't understand why the profiles are being removed altogether, but it may be because they're giving the Exrah their new identity in the book similar to how Morats, and Shavastii have their own innate racial rules when their sectorial's turn come around. Morats have had their time in the spotlight as of recently.


Exrah did have a special rule. In short they were rather frail units, but used very powerful weapons & abilities. Very potent, but brittle units.


The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:31:22


Post by: Space Ranger


Around here people are just going to proxy the Avatar or Raicho with a Cascuda. I have no problem with that at all. So at least it gets used.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:35:01


Post by: solkan


Now I'm the proud owner of $150 dollars ($125 with discount) of Exrah models without profiles.
And I was going to order the second Caskuda tomorrow because the FLG got in two Icestorm boxes.



The NEW INFINITY News & Rumors Thread - December's New Releases on Pg. 203! @ 2014/10/16 20:35:48


Post by: Alpharius


I suppose I shall do the same...

Quick, someone work up a SAVE THE CASKUDA picture!