Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released. Also Tyranids will see the release of two large bugs. The rules for their models will be in the box like the Nagash release. This is also just a model release for the Tyranids, no codex.
Lastly the Blood angels will be released at the end of the year.
I keep getting questions about a Tyranids Codex release and here's some info.
1. This is a model release no Tyranids codex.
2. A Campaign book will be released and if I remember correctly it's called Leviathan.
3. Blood Angels are still coming.
4. There will be a starter set that contains BA and Tyranids. It will be similar to Storm Claw.
5. Hope to update Blood Angel rumors this week.
Hope this helps.
BoLs -
Spoiler:
BoLS wrote:
Blood Angels
5 death company
10 assault marines
1 furiouso dreadnaught
1 New Exclusive captain w jump pack
Tyranids
3 warriors
20 gaunts
3 lictors (editor's note: this makes no sense, perhaps Hive Guard?)
1 NEW Exclusive Prime
Campaign is slated to kick off the week after Tyranids
Previous Rumors:
Codex coming in Late summer/Fall 2014
Blood Angels Rumorwave #1 7-14-2014
Rules:
Mephiston: Lord of War.
Blood Angels: Gain access to the new Codex SM flyers, but not the tanks.
Minis:
New "Sanguinary" unit in Terminator armor
Clam pack plastic Sanguinary Priest
New Wheeled vehicle
"Classic Character" gets a resculpt (contrary chatter split between Mephiston/Tycho)
Rumor reliability: Medium-Low, coming from both known and unknown sources
via Steve the Warboss 9-26-2014
- The Sons of Sanguinius will come soon after Endtimes Book 2.
- GW will use this release slot to replace older Space Marine Plastic sprues.
- 4-5 week are realistic.
via Steve the Warboss 10-8-2014
Blood Angels Latest:
Miniatures & Products
-New Character, a Captain (maybe 1.Company)
-Mephiston in plastic
-New Terminator Box with all weapon options
-New Assault Marine Box
-New generic Dreadnought
-Honour Guard Box (maybe only an repack)
-Mephiston will be a LoW, he turned into a "uber" psyker
-BA Painting Guide
-Suppliment featuring the new captain
New Blood Angels Lore
-The Flesh Tearers are now watched by the Inquisition
-A Rumor make the round in the Imperium, one of the BA successor chapters are traitors (not the Flesh Tearers)
-The attitude of Imperial authorities over the BA worsen
More Blood Angels rumors 10-9-2014
Mephiston
-Mephiston is getting a new plastic.
Huge, standing almost as tall as a terminator. Sword low across front in right arm. Left extented over the top with hand spread...individual fingers. Looks like he's lunging forward sweeping the blade in an uppercut. Cape blown about behind him. Model has skull and blood drop iconography all over. Aegis extends up like the cowl of the old figure but is much more recognisable as a psychic hood. Face is incredibly detailed. Fangs are visible.
Captain Tycho
-Tycho plastic is death company version.
-Has a chainsword and signature combimelta.
-DC iconography, retains nipple armor.
Corbulo
-Corbulo plastic is in sanguinary armor.
-Has chalice held aloft with both arms as in offering.
Terminators Set
-New Blood Angel Terminator box set.
-Makes terminators, BA captain in TA, BA Librarian in TA, or new BA terminator armored heavy unit.
-Storm Bolters are in hand not arm-mounted like gk.
-Includes power axes, fists, sbs, force sword, power sword, new 2 handed heavy cannon, heavy flamer, Assault cannon, librarian torso/tabard/shoulders/weapon, banner, captain options (combi weapons) tons of bits.
Reliability is: medium-low, coming from a mix of known and unknown sources
Faeit -
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
BA are indeed pegged for a mid-november release but there will be little or even no model releases at all.
If there is anything released expect either plastic reclusiarch or sang priest. But no new squad kits or vehicles.
Shield of Baal confirmed
Spoiler:
White Dwarf Photos
From Nafta:
This is really fun, as the latest has us seeing a new Blood Angel Codex, Tacticals, Sanguinary Priest, and wait for it.......... Smaug. Yes, no one really thought a Smaug would be built, but its happening. Also a new Blood Angel codex going up for pre-orders, its going to be a great week.
Please remember that these are rumors, but are very reliable. These are next week's pre-orders.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Lots of releases next week including some surprises. There are lots of hobbit releases, including Smaug. Smaug is extremely huge will be listed for expert modelers only. Of course he is going to cost you almost 500 dollars US, but this is a huge model standing over lots of gold and two columns with Bilbo hiding beneath.
Blood angels get their codex next week. The cover is an assault marine wielding a plasma pistol and and chainsword, overall a nice looking cover.
Blood Angels also get new datacards and dice, but more importantly blood angels get a new tactical squad with lots of options. Shoulder pads, helmets and blood angel symbols are everywhere. It looks like a full box of bits. Heavy Flamer is also in the box.
Last but least there is a new Sanguinary Priest with with a extra machinery on the backpack, a blood chalice, and a nice looking chainsword.
As a reminder:
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (131 TRUE) / (276 FALSE) / (18 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (418 TRUE) / (663 FALSE) / (57 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Lords of Wargaming - Total rumors: (6 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Guess who I believe?
Codex details
Spoiler:
Warhams-77 wrote: The Black Library Blog shows some more images from the Digital Blood Angels Codex
Automatically Appended Next Post: It seems you missed the codex leaks on 4chan last night. It was from the english book this time
...the Storm Raven *is* FA.
..., and the Vindicator (1XX pts barebones) *can* take overcharged engines for 10 pts.
I'm sitting here with the english book right in front of me. Vindicator has the [fast] option as the first option, right before siege shields.
All army-wide special rules outside of Combat Squads are gone. Everybody has Furious Charge.
Detachment has 4 elites, one of which is mandatory, warlord reroll and +1I on the charge for everything.
Warlord traits: Rampage, +1I, Mastercrafted for a weapon, Adamantium Will, Fearless for EVERY friendly imperial unit within 12", reroll reserves and scatter for Jump, Flyer and Skimmer.
Relics: Fear at -2Ld, one free strategic warlord trait, MC plasma pistol, no-frills AP2 melee weapon, jump pack that allows to reroll scatter and mishap & forces Interceptors to only snapfire at wearer, force maul that allows rerolling 1s one psy tests at the danger of taking a wound if the reroll is also a 1.
Sanguinary Discipline: +d3I and A for a character, morale check at -2Ld, grants Rage or +1A if you already have that, 5++ for unit, some gakky focussed witchfire, a S8 AP1 Beam Lance and one that moves a unit 12" ignoring terrain, but counts as moved for shooting and can't charge.
Most rhino-chassis vehicles lost fast and must now buy it as vehicle gear for xx pts.
Jump Packs are now x pts per model for units.
Assault squads are FA now.
Vanguard & Sternguard are now the same as the C:SM ones.
Death Company are elite now. Trade 1WS for Rage.
Lemartes is a seperate elite choice now. Fury Unbound is once per game now.
Sanguinary Priests are now HQ, one guy per slot. Give FnP and +1WS.
Corbulo has 6" aura of +1WS/I.
Tycho lost all melee weapons and special ammo.
Astorath's axe now causes ID on a 6 to-wound and is two-handed, but is otherwise a poweraxe.
Dreads are now split into Librarian(HQ), Furioso (Elite), Death Company (Elite) and staddard (elite).
Furioso Force Halberd is a powerfist with Force but without Specialist Weapon, so no +1A.
DC dread lost 1WS and 1A.
Furioso is NOT venerable.
Sanguinary Guard maxes out at 10, death masks grant Fear.
Tacticals may take a heavy flamer for a heavy weapon and a grav gun for a special weapon.
inferno pistol and hand flamer are availiable to all characters but scout sergeants.
Dante is a LoW and got a massive buff. Axe is now S+2 AP2 Mastercrafted. Dante gets Eternal Warrior, a free tactical warlord trait on top of his Descent of Angels and a 6" fear bubble.
Seth is a LoW and has Rage, Rampage and causes two hits for any 6 rolled to hit.
Land Raiders lost Deep Strike and are now Heavy Support.
Everything being said seems to be conflicting with one another. As BA were my first army, I hope we get all of these. But, I'm looking forward to seeing where the new codex takes them, regardless of what actually is released.
Also, wasn't there rumors of the Baal pred getting new weapon options? And some assault vehicle? Lol I remember they were saying something about a unit called "Blood Brothers" as well. Where they had survived the black rage and now we're a unit...right.
Anyways, again, looking forward to whatever comes of them
As innacurate as natfka has been, steve the warboss (their primary source) has been stepping up his accuracy recently. I expect a 5 week end times release, which means the last white dwarf regarding end times will release on november 8th. That puts the first BA issue on november 15th, and with a 3 week release puts them out on december 6th.
Miniatures & Products
-New Character, a Captain (maybe 1.Company)
-Mephiston in plastic
-New Terminator Box with all weapon options
-New Assault Marine Box
-New generic Dreadnought
-Honour Guard Box (maybe only an repack)
-Mephiston will be a LoW, he turned into a "uber" psyker
-BA Painting Guide
-Suppliment featuring the new captain
New Blood Angels Lore
-The Flesh Tearers are now watched by the Inquisition
-A Rumor make the round in the Imperium, one of the BA successor chapters are traitors (not the Flesh Tearers)
-The attitude of Imperial authorities over the BA worsen
Blood Angel Rumors - Sept 2014
via Steve the Warboss
-The Sons of Sanguinius will come soon after Endtimes Book 2.
-GW will use this release slot to replace older Space Marine Plastic sprues.
-4-5 week are realistic.
New Blood Angels Lore
-The Flesh Tearers are now watched by the Inquisition
-A Rumor make the round in the Imperium, one of the BA successor chapters are traitors (not the Flesh Tearers)
-The attitude of Imperial authorities over the BA worsen
I don't think the Flesh Tearers one is new. There's already a short story about the Inquisition tracking them.
I assume the rumour of the traitor Blood Angels chapter is not about the Knights of Blood? (the loyalist chapter, not to be confused with an unrelated Knights of Blood Chaos warband)
The Flesh Tearers are now watched by the Inquisition
Given negative and worrying reports by the Guard, Civilian Authorities, other Astartes (Salamanders IIRC) and the Sororitas thats not surprising...
Hopefully they will get something ultra cool like the DE bomber and not just gutted like the DE Codex or a Sleigh.........
If all they do is update the red thirst, points costs, give us psy powers, relics, and warlord traits i will be a happy camper. The fact that we're also getting our own FOC with nifty rules attached, well, thats just icing on the cake. Ive said it a thousand times, anything is better than what we have now.
We can but hope eh?
At best we'll get a points trim, a warlord chart, relic's, The Sanguinor, Astorath and Dante fixed and a funky formation involving land raider's I bet. Because we aren't going to get them as a DT anymore. But as the man above said anything's better than what we've got.
These next couple of months are going to be expensive for me too, taking on the Sector Imperialis board here next week, then my Blood Angels come out. I'll be glad to see the Terminators updated, not that they look bad but it does run with my bad luck seeing as how I am just starting a 10 Terminator Squad of the newer ones for my BA's. I was still using the old metals.
Well i did a little bit more research. It seems that there hasnt been a codex released in december since 4th edition, and since that month is reserved for holiday deals its unlikely to change. So if the end times follows a 4 week release (likely, 1 week per chaos god) that puts the end of it on november 1st. This means that if the blood angels follow the typical 3 week release starting in the november 8th issue of white dwarf, we'll see the release on saturday november 22nd. I would be willing to bet money on it.
Kelly502 wrote: You Sir, are not only th3maninblak you are now THE MAN period! Seems logical. If not my hopes shall be dashed on the bottom of a cliff.
Lol well thank you. Im pretty good at figuring this kind of stuff out. Theres a small possibility that we could see it a week earlier, if the end times is only 3 weeks (unlikely, but possible), and a slightly better possibility of seeing it on the 29th instead of the 22nd. This would be brought about either by 5 weeks of end times or a week of something else, like the new necron lord and big tyranid kit that has been rumored. This is definitely possible, but less likely than the above prediction.
it looks like November will be jam-packed if any of the rumors are true...
December should be Battle of Five Armies, if things go as usual...
Wasn't December always LotR/Hobbit month???
so, who's it going to be in November, BA's or 'Crons???
roll the dice, and see what you win...
any new BA minis will be happily received...
i'm not so crazy about 'Crons, but i love me some Space Vampires...
The only thing that I truly is the wheeled vehicles, I just don't see it unless it fills the roll of a Fast Attack Vehicle or an LAV.
Marines use Track Vehicles not Wheeled
jah-joshua wrote: it looks like November will be jam-packed if any of the rumors are true...
December should be Battle of Five Armies, if things go as usual...
Wasn't December always LotR/Hobbit month???
so, who's it going to be in November, BA's or 'Crons???
roll the dice, and see what you win...
any new BA minis will be happily received...
i'm not so crazy about 'Crons, but i love me some Space Vampires...
cheers
jah
Is gonna be BA, not crons, for the november release. Looks like crons are getting pushed to january.
How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?
H.B.M.C. wrote: How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?
I'm fine with Draigo, Logan, and Ghaz being LoW slot. Just wish Ghaz kept his Invul save.
And I'd much rather have gotten a LoW Vect than have him removed entirely...
Generic Assault squad kit makes a lot of sense for a BA release, to update them to the new style and variety of designs that they have in the new Tactical and Veteran boxes.
BA terminators is the last real model option for them, as they already have a vehicle, a flier, a dreadnought, and 2 PA kits. And adding a new terminator unit to BA would make sense so they could dual-kit it, like the Deathwing Knights were added to the Deathwing box. Or, if it is a new Generic Terminator box, they could replace the 2 old Terminator kits with one new one with all the options. Wolf Guard managed to get everything in one kit.
If they do a new generic Dread, hopefully they will follow the cue of the Venerable Dred, and make the arms plug and play, so they can be swapped between the two kits. Maybe also like the Vendred have the option to make it Coffin front or MK IV style front. If they take out the various decorative panel options from the Vendred, there should be room for a decent variety of weapons (TLAC, TLHB, and TLHF could really use plastic options)
H.B.M.C. wrote: How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?
I think this is GW making sure that some LoW choices are familiar to places, which makes it harder for them to just ban LoW and ignore the slot.
What BA really REALLY need is an affordable assault transport. For being the "premier assault army" they really get hamstrung with the rhinos. You can pay a lot for the land raider or the flying death coffin, but that's not really that helpful. Jump packers get shot up pretty quickly!
Currently orks and DE outperform on mobile assaulting, hands down.
Moopy wrote: What BA really REALLY need is an affordable assault transport. For being the "premier assault army" they really get hamstrung with the rhinos. You can pay a lot for the land raider or the flying death coffin, but that's not really that helpful. Jump packers get shot up pretty quickly!
Currently orks and DE outperform on mobile assaulting, hands down.
With feel no pain and smart use of cover, jump packs can get there. The problem with them is that theyre overcosted and get outperformed by raven guard. The best jump pack faction in the game is currently outdone at the thing theyre supposed to be best at.
Which is an indicator of the fact that all we really need from our 'dex is price reductions.
Points drop assumed, I'll be happy if all that happens is:
- we get our powers back
- the elites slot gets a little less crowded (move priests to troops as a non FOC slot unit, 1 priest every 2-3 units of infantry?)
- Vanguard keep the useful version of heroic intervention (not going to happen)
- 5 man tactical squads can have a heavy or special weapon.
That's it, I genuinely think that our codex is good, it's just that several years of points drops for other codices means we're out of alignment with the game.
Not for a moment am I saying they're an optimal choice, but it'd be nice to have the option of taking them.
5 guys with a missile launcher is 80 points using C:SM prices and while that's not going to be a first choice unit, if you're looking to relatively cheaply plug a gap at the end of your list building, then it's not bad.
Plus it means tactical squads not numbering 10 marines can actually be useful. Say you wanted to put some in a pod or another transport and make room for a character, the way it is at the moment a 9 man squad cannot have a special or a heavy weapon. With this change they could have one of those and make themselves a bit more useful.
I find it rather odd that Mephy would be inducted into the Hall of Warlords as he would be the only usable Psyker that the BA have ... we shall see as the rumours come about.
OIIIIIIO wrote: I find it rather odd that Mephy would be inducted into the Hall of Warlords as he would be the only usable Psyker that the BA have ... we shall see as the rumours come about.
You know they're not going to do away with our other psyker options, right? Just because a standard Libby can't go toe to toe with a Daemon Prince or a Tyranid gribbly doesn't mean they're not usable, they just have a different role. Once they're points drop to vanilla marine levels they'll be much better value for their supporting role.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?
I'm not a fan but I don't like superheavies and gargantuan creatures in "normal" 40k which is the core reason at least initially. I don't think Draigo and a titan should be competing for the same slot as they're not remotely similar in terms of power and abilities. 40k is so messed up right now that their isn't a point in complaining about something relatively minor as special characters going LOW. I'd be more worried about them simply cutting characters from the book.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How do people feel about beloved Special Characters getting turned into LoW, something a lot of people feel uncomfortable about (more out of perception than out of anything practical)?
I'm not a fan but I don't like superheavies and gargantuan creatures which is the core reason at least initially. I don't think Draigo and a titan should be competing for the same slot as they're not remotely similar in terms of power and abilities. 40k is so messed up right now that their isn't a point in complaining about something relatively minor as special characters going LOW. I'd be more worried about them simply cutting characters from the book.
True, but with Characters taking up a LOW slot, you will be seeing less things like Baneblades.
They wouldn't dare move such an iconic unit from the main codex.
However, HQ's have been losing their Force Organisation shenanigans, so Astorath will no longer enable you to field a Death Company army. Similarly I fully expect Sanguinary Guard to no longer be troops if you use Dante.
If you had a Death Company army or a Sanguinary Guard army (good old 'nipple-wing'), I fully expect you to have to buy the inevitable supplement if you want to keep playing them outside of Unbound, but you will be restricted to two daft and sub-optimal formations.
sockwithaticket wrote: Apart from Vect the only characters who've disappeared from the last couple of codices are ones that don't have models.
Every BA character has a model, so they should be safe. (Even if those models are ancient and in the awful finecast).
You mean like sly marbo? He had a model and was cut from the IG book and that model was newer and more dynamic than some of the one piece two dimensional 2nd edition BA sculpts. My guess is that they'll redo Mephiston, keep Dante the same, and dump Tycho.
sockwithaticket wrote: Apart from Vect the only characters who've disappeared from the last couple of codices are ones that don't have models.
Every BA character has a model, so they should be safe. (Even if those models are ancient and in the awful finecast).
You mean like sly marbo? He had a model and was cut from the IG book and that model was newer and more dynamic than some of the one piece two dimensional 2nd edition BA sculpts. My guess is that they'll redo Mephiston, keep Dante the same, and dump Tycho.
I said last couple of codices. Couple = 2. The last two codices are Dark Eldar and Grey Knights, about which my comment is accurate.
The IG book and it's lost characters are a bit of a special case. Correct me if I'm wrong but the characters cut were Al-Rahmen, Sly Marbo and Harker? Now as far as I know (again, please correct me if I'm wrong), while all three of those had models, they never made the transition to finecast and were still metal? If my info is right, then they were dropped because GW didn't want to keep up production of the metal miniatures and were not interested in changing them to finecast given that they seem to have given up on new releases in that material, too (that's not me saying it will disappear, just that we no longer get new models in or old models converted to and going forwards this will continue to be the case).
I said last couple of codices. Couple = 2. The last two codices are Dark Eldar and Grey Knights, about which my comment is accurate.
The IG book and it's lost characters are a bit of a special case. Correct me if I'm wrong but the characters cut were Al-Rahmen, Sly Marbo and Harker? Now as far as I know (again, please correct me if I'm wrong), while all three of those had models, they never made the transition to finecast and were still metal? If my info is right, then they were dropped because GW didn't want to keep up production of the metal miniatures and were not interested in changing them to finecast given that they seem to have given up on new releases in that material, too (that's not me saying it will disappear, just that we no longer get new models in or old models converted to and going forwards this will continue to be the case).
"Couple" can mean two but it does not automatically mean two.
In any case, the precedent for cutting MORE modern sculpts with the current style codex books is there. Whether or not GW decides to continue it or not is simply a guess.
I hope so as well but if I had to pick from the old sculpts which one would be most likely to go then he would be it. I've got a model converted to be him so I'd rather not lose the access as well and have to turn him into yet another generic captain.
In any case, the precedent for cutting MORE modern sculpts with the current style codex books is there. Whether or not GW decides to continue it or not is simply a guess.
Can't say I've ever heard it used to mean more than two, but fair enough.
The modernity of sculpts is not a deciding factor in whether a model is dropped, though. it's the material of production. If the model already existed in finecast prior to the point that GW stopped producing new finecast models/converting metal models to finecast ( like the entire BA character range), then they survive. The IG codex came out after this point and so existing metal models not getting new plastic models were not going to make the transition.
There is a pattern established with the characters GW removes from their books, so, while we might be guessing at what they do in the future, it is possible to make an educated guess.
In accordance with what they've done previously I cannot see them cutting any of Dante, Seth, Tycho, Astorath, Sanguinor, Lemartes, Corbulo or Mephiston.
However, HQ's have been losing their Force Organisation shenanigans, so Astorath will no longer enable you to field a Death Company army. Similarly I fully expect Sanguinary Guard to no longer be troops if you use Dante.
If you had a Death Company army or a Sanguinary Guard army (good old 'nipple-wing'), I fully expect you to have to buy the inevitable supplement if you want to keep playing them outside of Unbound, but you will be restricted to two daft and sub-optimal formations.
On that we agree. I'd expect one of those to be the most likely culprit for a supplement codex to be released within a month of the main codex (likely Death Co). It did have its own army list in White Dwarf back in 3rd edition so it wouldn't be the first time if they chose that route. I'm at 50/50 whether any second codex supplement would be a successor or Sanguinary Guard. I'm leaning a bit towards successor as I don't think (and it's just a guess so apply salt as needed) they'd remove the Sang Guard as troops rule from Dante.
A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
Brother SRM wrote: A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
The simple reason why GW has been removing the HQ Force Org changes is because, if you really want to play, say, a GK Paladin army or a BA Death Company army, then you can just use Unbound to accomplish that.
I feel like we may see a "guardians of the lord commander" supplement for nipple wing. Not making them troops, per say, but allowing you to take a force org thats like 1-2 hq, 1-6 elites, and 0-5 fast attack. Be pretty cool.
Brother SRM wrote: A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
Like with LotD
Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.
Brother SRM wrote: A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
Like with LotD
Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.
I meant having a single entry [two with the dread] And then a Dataslate Death Company Book giving you a Death Company Formation.
Dataslates and supplements are two different things.
Supplement being about Flesh Tearers makes sense as they are one of the better known Successors. They also have one of the highest proportion of their marines falling to the Black Rage, which would make it easy to include stuff like Death Company formations.
Brother SRM wrote: A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
Like with LotD
Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.
I meant having a single entry [two with the dread] And then a Dataslate Death Company Book giving you a Death Company Formation.
While I see your point, it's an apples and oranges comparison. The legion was not in EVERY marine codex whereas the DC has been in EVERY blood angel codex. The Legion has ALWAYS been optional whereas the Death Company has frequently been mandatory (3rd, 4th, and half of 5th edition) for Blood Angel players. It is a much bigger deal if DC were removed completely to sell a subcodex. Legion, like Harlies, were optional flavor units that, while it sucks to have them taken away from certain books, were never to my knowledge a requirement for those armies contained in those books but rather a choice some folks used.
Brother SRM wrote: A pure Death Company supplement wouldn't surprise me at all, but they wouldn't remove Death Company from the BA dex. That'd be like removing the Deathwing and/or Ravenwing from the DA codex. They're central to the army as a whole.
Like with LotD
Huh? LOTD aren't central to any current army or 1st founding chapter.
I meant having a single entry [two with the dread] And then a Dataslate Death Company Book giving you a Death Company Formation.
While I see your point, it's an apples and oranges comparison. The legion was not in EVERY marine codex whereas the DC has been in EVERY blood angel codex. The Legion has ALWAYS been optional whereas the Death Company has frequently been mandatory (3rd, 4th, and half of 5th edition) for Blood Angel players. It is a much bigger deal if DC were removed completely to sell a subcodex. Legion, like Harlies, were optional flavor units that, while it sucks to have them taken away from certain books, were never to my knowledge a requirement for those armies contained in those books but rather a choice some folks used.
Yes I got that, I am sorry that I did not make a major edit before I made my post or made it clear what I was saying.
Thinking about it I could totally see Tycho getting a new sculpt, with sufficient alterative pieces to make either Captain or DC Tycho.
A DC supplement would make since I you look at DE, all the Coven stuff is still in the main dex, but the supplement add flavour with formations, new relics and warlord traits...
evildrcheese wrote: Thinking about it I could totally see Tycho getting a new sculpt, with sufficient alterative pieces to make either Captain or DC Tycho.
A DC supplement would make since I you look at DE, all the Coven stuff is still in the main dex, but the supplement add flavour with formations, new relics and warlord traits...
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If any character will get a new sculpt, its Mephiston. Hes the most iconic character in the book, even moreso than Dante, and his model is derpy as anything ive ever seen.
Even though the DE dex is totally bland, its power level is fine. The GK dex has been the same way, and even though the SW dex lost some flavor, its a pretty fantastic book. This makes me very hopeful for the BA dex.
I think all three of them could do with a new sculpt. Dante, Meph and Tycho all could do with updating. But I don't expect to see any of that. I'm quite afraid of sanguinary terminators though, sounds like a terrible idea...
The more I think about it, the more I would be willing to bet the supplement is going to be the Flesh Tearers. Perhaps their Chapter Master will get a new sculpt. It kinda seemed that way with Haemunculus Covens.
Even that bobsled the Wolves got stuck with is better than the pulpit-mobile they pushed on the DA. I don't know what to expect for the BA but you guys better be glad hot rods ain't a British thing or you'd be looking at something out of the Munsters.
Eldercaveman wrote: I wouldn't be suprised to see one of the covers from the Omnibus' used as the codex cover.
Doubtful. Raymond Swanland has been doing the artwork for every book since 6th edition, which is fine by me since hes been one of my favorites since he was doing covers for forgotten realms novels and art for magic cards. I cant wait to see his rendition of the angels of death.
I see them getting the same treatment the Wolves got Special edition with two or three books a folio with art pics and 6 coins
the extra books have the formations like the Death Company army, The all JP army ETC.
th3maninblak wrote: Update from Lords of War Gaming. The Blood Angels codex will be the first space marine dex to be rebranded to "Adeptus Astartes: Blood Angels"
Somehow I doubt it. If that were true, they probably would have started it with Space Wolves.
th3maninblak wrote: Update from Lords of War Gaming. The Blood Angels codex will be the first space marine dex to be rebranded to "Adeptus Astartes: Blood Angels"
Quick! Someone write a book about "Speckles, Adeptus Astartes".
th3maninblak wrote: Update from Lords of War Gaming. The Blood Angels codex will be the first space marine dex to be rebranded to "Adeptus Astartes: Blood Angels"
I was surpised they did not do this after Adepta Sororitas and Astra Milletarium - although they did not bother with Imperial Knights or Wolves for some reason.........
PastelAvenger wrote: Strange that they didn't label the Space Wolf codex in this way however GW does seem to want to solidify its IP at the moment
Although.. it is established in the fluff that the SW defy naming conventions used by other chapters so if they're not using the "codex" in game universe then I guess the writers thought it was appropriate to not call it Adeptus Astartes as well.
Despite all the fear I would actually love this!
It looks like a Javelin Attack Speeder that is turned into a Chariot.
Or no, more like a Legion Scimitar Jetbike that is also a Chariot..
Imagine how awesome this could be
I was actually hoping a while back that Blood Angels would be the first Imperium chapter to get a chariot model, but alas SW stole it from us (as well as being a better assault army). Still, life as a BA player goes on...
evildrcheese wrote: I was actually hoping a while back that Blood Angels would be the first Imperium chapter to get a chariot model, but alas SW stole it from us (as well as being a better assault army). Still, life as a BA player goes on...
D
Space wolves wont be a better assault army for long. We will soon regain our place as the best close combat marine army.
Despite all the fear I would actually love this!
It looks like a Javelin Attack Speeder that is turned into a Chariot.
Or no, more like a Legion Scimitar Jetbike that is also a Chariot..
Imagine how awesome this could be
last thing this thing needs is a space for two 25mm round bases to stand on in the back
As if it wasn't phalic enough without the BAAL balls
So apparently the codex popped up on GWs website today for a bit at 7:13pm eastern standard time. No screenshot confirmation yet, so this is only a rumor, but apparently it had a "sanguinary guard surrounded by fire". Could be BS, or not.
th3maninblak wrote: So apparently the codex popped up on GWs website today for a bit at 7:13pm eastern standard time. No screenshot confirmation yet, so this is only a rumor, but apparently it had a "sanguinary guard surrounded by fire". Could be BS, or not.
Oh really? Did the spec editions pop up too do you know?
RottenEmu wrote: Early in the DE rumours there was talk of a DE vs BA boxset (in the same vein as Stormclaw). Anyone know if there's any truth to that rumour?
I would love for a BA/DE or BA/Necrons campaign box. I loved Stormclaw and if they decide to do a box for either of these then i would be buying it
The BA side is going to be a 10 man ML/F tac squad, plus a land speeder, and the DE side is going to be 20 warriors. It will also include some palm trees, a small ruin, and some other battlefield accessories (tank traps, barrels, etc). Full rules, not the mini one.
Nevelon wrote: The BA side is going to be a 10 man ML/F tac squad, plus a land speeder, and the DE side is going to be 20 warriors. It will also include some palm trees, a small ruin, and some other battlefield accessories (tank traps, barrels, etc). Full rules, not the mini one.
Nevelon wrote:The BA side is going to be a 10 man ML/F tac squad, plus a land speeder, and the DE side is going to be 20 warriors. It will also include some palm trees, a small ruin, and some other battlefield accessories (tank traps, barrels, etc). Full rules, not the mini one.
Estimated release date is 1998.
Exalted!
RedFox wrote:quick question for BA players...was there any Lamenters fluff in that last codex ?
Yes, there is a little fluff. FWIA9 has a lot of Lamenters stuff since they were a big player in the Badab war.
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Eldercaveman wrote: I thought that GW won the rights to the term "Space Marine"?
I actually wouldn't mind that chariot.
No, they didn't. GW upset a lot of people, some famous over that attempted IP grab. They had to back off.
BTW the limited edition Space Marines codexes all have "Adeptus Astartes: Name" on the spine of the book.
Sort of, the Minotaurs kicked their asses and took their stuff. Then the Imperium sent them on a crusade to redeem themselves. But they walked right in front of a Hive fleet. The BA book states they are the only successor chapter to not respond to Dante's summons to Baal. While it is vague, I believe the chapter is dead. Which is a shame because they have a great story. Lamenters for Space hulk would be fantastic.
Crimson Devil wrote: Sort of, the Minotaurs kicked their asses and took their stuff. Then the Imperium sent them on a crusade to redeem themselves. But they walked right in front of a Hive fleet. The BA book states they are the only successor chapter to not respond to Dante's summons to Baal. While it is vague, I believe the chapter is dead. Which is a shame because they have a great story. Lamenters for Space hulk would be fantastic.
Not sure if they're dead, but from what I remember reading they have some HORRIBLE luck. Last I remember they were below 50% strength fighting around the Eye of Terror, again I might be wrong.
As for rumors, here's to getting FC regardless of what the units we deploy are doing, AND, AND keeping turbo-charged engines for Rhino chassis - if we lose that I'll be pissed.
I'm hoping fast is an upgrade rather than built in, just gives a bit more flexibility when list building. Although when I think about it, it might be difficult to differentiate between fast/normal if you take a mix. Hmm maybe built in fast would be better after all, but as long as we still have access to it I'll be happy (even happier) if we can get fast LR
There's a new Lemartes book as part of a special 'reward card' kind of system where you need to collect six 'service studs' (gain a stud by spending £45 or more) at the BL website.
Wasn't sure if a new BA book does help firm up whether we're next or not.
Honestly I prefer calling marines Astartes as opposed to SM. When I write stuff in the 40K universe I always use "Astartes" or just the chapter names since calling characters "Space marines" just sounds stupid. It doesn't fit the massive Knight Templar image of the Astartes but instead reminds me of the Aliens marines (they are cool too but wrong tone.) Codex: Adeptus Astartes; Blood Angels is better to me than CODEX: SPHESS MEHREENS.
LutherMax wrote: In 7th all units are scoring, and may contest, right? So does that mean Death Company are now scoring?!
All units are scoring, unless they specifically state they are not. Which the DC does.
I wonder if this'll change as it's a fairly significant disadvantage. Currently any DT taken for DC can score though I believe (Ob Sec too), also I don't think the non scoring applies to DC dreads, so either DC and dreads will score (perhaps lose obsec) or neither will be scoring ever.
That's a good point. Currently, the Codex does specify that Death Company are never scoring in their entry, and Codex > BRB so Shandara is right that still stands. But it doesn't say so about the DC Dread so under current Codex wording / 7th Ed rules a DC Dread is scoring – unless we take it that because the Dread is DC it comes under that same 'never scoring' rule.
I guess we'll have to wait for the new 'dex to find out what they do about it. What other units in the game specify never scoring?
I cannot imagine that DC/their transports/related dreads will get obsec in the new codex, and I also doubt they'll score. Maybe Astorath will grant them scoring? The price drops that are likely coming their way though will make DC good, scoring or not, I'd guess.
That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
LutherMax wrote: That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
Pfft !!
They stand around the objective thiking they are all Sanguinis defending the fallen Emperor
LutherMax wrote: That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
Pfft !!
They stand around the objective thiking they are all Sanguinis defending the fallen Emperor
You just wrote the fluff that enables scoring DC right there
Kirasu wrote: The 7th edition ally matrix and detachment rules destroy all fluff anyway.. Thats not a huge concern :p
What's wrong with the 7th edition ally matrix? Imperial Forces teaming up with other Imperial forces while being desperate allies or "come the apocalypse" with everyone else is fluffy. Chaos demons teaming up with chaos marines while being desperate allies or come the apocalypse with nearly everyone else is fluffy. There isn't any more Necron Allies of Convenience with Imperial Forces or Daemons or Tau Battle Brothers with Eldar or Marines so I'm not sure what the problem is, here. At most maybe the DE and Eldar battle brothers set up is a bit of a stretch but even that's happened in the fluff (for example, in the Deathwatch RPG, there's a conclave of Eldar, Harlequins, and Dark Eldar working together. No Exodites though cause those guys stick to themselves)
LutherMax wrote: That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
Yes they can because the leading Chaplain, the are praying together with him, Verse 12:14 "we will wait for the enemy and clobber him"
Kirasu wrote: The 7th edition ally matrix and detachment rules destroy all fluff anyway.. Thats not a huge concern :p
What's wrong with the 7th edition ally matrix? Imperial Forces teaming up with other Imperial forces while being desperate allies or "come the apocalypse" with everyone else is fluffy. Chaos demons teaming up with chaos marines while being desperate allies or come the apocalypse with nearly everyone else is fluffy. There isn't any more Necron Allies of Convenience with Imperial Forces or Daemons or Tau Battle Brothers with Eldar or Marines so I'm not sure what the problem is, here. At most maybe the DE and Eldar battle brothers set up is a bit of a stretch but even that's happened in the fluff (for example, in the Deathwatch RPG, there's a conclave of Eldar, Harlequins, and Dark Eldar working together. No Exodites though cause those guys stick to themselves)
My Tyranid with Imperial Knight allies army says otherwise.....FLUFF!
Over at BoLS they got BA down for a one week release now in between the chaos releases going on. Whey are also saying just a codex release. I was looking forward to that new mephiston model they were talking about what, a week ago?
The fact that there are 10+ Sanguinis standing around, without wings, and they are taking orders from someone else, doesn't even phase them.
Squad Leader points to objective and says " Mighty Sanguinis we must protect this MCguffin from that vile Traitor Horus lest the Emperor himself will be lost" Death Company forms a ring around objective and fights to the death to defend it.
JuniorRS13 wrote: Over at BoLS they got BA down for a one week release now in between the chaos releases going on. Whey are also saying just a codex release. I was looking forward to that new mephiston model they were talking about what, a week ago?
What's the source of that at BoLS? I hope it's wrong I want new kits! Surely they won't break up the fantasy stuff by throwing BA in the middle. Surely!
Codex only plus maybe a single figure was always far, far more likely than any of those rumours promising new stuff out the wazoo. It looked like wish-listing at the time and so it will prove to be.
LutherMax wrote: That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
Yes they can because the leading Chaplain, the are praying together with him, Verse 12:14 "we will wait for the enemy and clobber him"
I'd prefer to think of it like this. 8-foot tall, psychotic superhumans who genuniely believe they are facing the most powerful enemy man has ever seen in battle just slaughtered a bunch of your comrades with chainblades and high-explosive bolts, and a fair few fists and boots I imagine, wll while chanting furious litanies and guttural roars. They may move on, but for now they wait, standing over the charred corpses.
It does make sense that they're not scoring, so I can see that and obviously no obj sec for anything DC. It would be nice however if they were a denial unit of some kind, who wants to hold an objective when there's a bunch of bat guano crazy space vampires running around punching things to death?
It would be nice to see that BA terminator box materialize. They are the only 'special' chapter that don't have their own terminator box. It wouldn't be too hard for GW to tool up some termies that look just as good as the space hulk ones!
godswildcard wrote: It would be nice to see that BA terminator box materialize. They are the only 'special' chapter that don't have their own terminator box. It wouldn't be too hard for GW to tool up some termies that look just as good as the space hulk ones!
That's because they have special assault marines (DC) and special honour guard jump marines (SG) and special transports and special predators and special apothecaries.... It would be a bit boring if all the chapters followed the same pattern of special units with specific box sets.
The other specials (DA and SW) also have a ton of special kits, including Terminators for each one.
Blood Angels already possessing special units or kits is not an obstacle to them getting more. That doesn't mean we'll be getting our own terminators, just that pre-existing specialist kits do not preclude us getting another.
sockwithaticket wrote: The other specials (DA and SW) also have a ton of special kits, including Terminators for each one.
Blood Angels already possessing special units or kits is not an obstacle to them getting more. That doesn't mean we'll be getting our own terminators, just that pre-existing specialist kits do not preclude us getting another.
I think you're missing the fact that Wolf Guard Terminators and Deathwing are not standard terminators. BA use standard terminators and thus do not need a boxset. It has nothing do with them being "special" marines.
Kirasu wrote: They already did? They rereleased space hulk.. Its similar in cost to 10 terminators.
What use is making a boxset out of mono-pose terminators that any major BA fan would already have and that can't be used to make *anything* else?
When I first read that I thought you were joking, but you're right, 2x boxes of 5 Terminators costs almost as much as the whole Space Hulk boxed game. That is food for thought...
On topic, I agree, there would be no point releasing the snap-fit termies from the game on their own. If you don't have SH you can just buy the normal termies and FW shoulder pads.
What use is making a boxset out of mono-pose terminators that any major BA fan would already have and that can't be used to make *anything* else?
Just off of the top of my head
1.) A new Blood Angels codex means there will be new Blood Angels players.
2.) People who didn't get a copy of Space Hulk
3.) People who got a copy of Space Hulk and want to keep it whole, while still fielding those awesome terminators
4.) People who already have the Space Hulk terminators and want more
The biggest part of the cost of producing new models is the design and cutting the molds. That's already been done and payed for.
sockwithaticket wrote: The other specials (DA and SW) also have a ton of special kits, including Terminators for each one.
Blood Angels already possessing special units or kits is not an obstacle to them getting more. That doesn't mean we'll be getting our own terminators, just that pre-existing specialist kits do not preclude us getting another.
I think you're missing the fact that Wolf Guard Terminators and Deathwing are not standard terminators. BA use standard terminators and thus do not need a boxset. It has nothing do with them being "special" marines.
Currently yes, but with the "Sanguinary Terminator" Rumor, who knows.
adamsouza wrote: If they don't repack and sell the Space Hulk Blood Angels Terminators I will be amazed.
People were saying the same thing the last time Space Hulk dropped, and unfortunately GW did nothing with those sculpts inbetween Space Hulk 3rd edition and the rerelease. I doubt that will change at all.
adamsouza wrote: If they don't repack and sell the Space Hulk Blood Angels Terminators I will be amazed.
People were saying the same thing the last time Space Hulk dropped, and unfortunately GW did nothing with those sculpts inbetween Space Hulk 3rd edition and the rerelease. I doubt that will change at all.
Last time they didn't drop a new Blood Angels codex withing 90 days of Space Hulk.
Also, the first time around releasing the Terminators seperately would have hurt the sales of Space Hulk.
This time around the cost to produce Space Hulk was minimal, and the profit margin was huge. Releasing the terminators with the new codex would be one more way to milk that cash cow.
adamsouza wrote: If they don't repack and sell the Space Hulk Blood Angels Terminators I will be amazed.
People were saying the same thing the last time Space Hulk dropped, and unfortunately GW did nothing with those sculpts inbetween Space Hulk 3rd edition and the rerelease. I doubt that will change at all.
Last time they didn't drop a new Blood Angels codex withing 90 days of Space Hulk.
Also, the first time around releasing the Terminators seperately would have hurt the sales of Space Hulk.
This time around the cost to produce Space Hulk was minimal, and the profit margin was huge. Releasing the terminators with the new codex would be one more way to milk that cash cow.
If rather them do something more original. I don't want to see the same 10/11 termies turn up at every blood angels battle. They are more likely to update the assault marines kit.
It's not like they couldn't have released the Space Hulk Terminators on their own in the years between then and now though. If they were going to release those on their own, they would've done it by now.
In other words, prepare to be amazed, because those models aren't coming out elsewhere.
I for one am looking forward to a new codex. Having played Blood Angels since 2nd Ed I'm feeling the pain of 7th Ed shooting over watch on the charge.
Personally I'd be happy for death company to stay the same points but have two wounds instead. That should help reduce the effect of over watch fire on the charge. After all BA don't have any 2 wound models like thunder wolves or centurions.
I do think its time Tycho was laid to rest though. I was gutted when they killed him off, but 40k has moved on and it's time to let go.
TheIncredibleBulk wrote: I for one am looking forward to a new codex. Having played Blood Angels since 2nd Ed I'm feeling the pain of 7th Ed shooting over watch on the charge.
Personally I'd be happy for death company to stay the same points but have two wounds instead. That should help reduce the effect of over watch fire on the charge. After all BA don't have any 2 wound models like thunder wolves or centurions.
I do think its time Tycho was laid to rest though. I was gutted when they killed him off, but 40k has moved on and it's time to let go.
We'll see what happens.
What the hell is overwatching your Death Company so bad that it's killing them? With the inaccuracy of overwatch, solid toughness, 3+ save and Feel No Pain, I can't imagine how any unit could give Death Company a hard time on overwatch.
It depends on the size of the DC unit. Losing just one of a 5-man squad can be pretty significant. Only takes an opponent to roll a 6, one of five save rolls to be a 2, then a FNP roll being a 4...
I don't see how the new codex would help with this though?
TheIncredibleBulk wrote: I for one am looking forward to a new codex. Having played Blood Angels since 2nd Ed I'm feeling the pain of 7th Ed shooting over watch on the charge.
Personally I'd be happy for death company to stay the same points but have two wounds instead. That should help reduce the effect of over watch fire on the charge. After all BA don't have any 2 wound models like thunder wolves or centurions.
I do think its time Tycho was laid to rest though. I was gutted when they killed him off, but 40k has moved on and it's time to let go.
We'll see what happens.
You realise wanting 2 wound DC is like making them half price right? I would be totally fine with that but it'll never happen GW want you to buy more models!
TheIncredibleBulk wrote: I for one am looking forward to a new codex. Having played Blood Angels since 2nd Ed I'm feeling the pain of 7th Ed shooting over watch on the charge.
Personally I'd be happy for death company to stay the same points but have two wounds instead. That should help reduce the effect of over watch fire on the charge. After all BA don't have any 2 wound models like thunder wolves or centurions.
I do think its time Tycho was laid to rest though. I was gutted when they killed him off, but 40k has moved on and it's time to let go.
We'll see what happens.
2W death company would be 30-35 points each, on foot....minimum. It would make them heavy weapons fodder, and probably not worth taking.
I just saw six copies of Space Hulk sitting on a shelf at a local game store.
It's not as rare as you're claiming. They over saturated the market, so why in the world would they over saturate the market even more with the same sculpts packaged in a different box.
So, Blood Knight Terminators, with Blood Shields and Blood Hammers.
65$ for three.
And a new codex where they removed Corbulo and gave us Mephiston on a Blood-cycle or something.
In all seriousness, I'd like to see a straight Blood Angels upgrade sprue - boxed set that covered vehicle stuff and infantry stuff. So that way I don't need to buy boxes of DC to upgrade my assault marines.
I just saw six copies of Space Hulk sitting on a shelf at a local game store.
It's not as rare as you're claiming. They over saturated the market, so why in the world would they over saturate the market even more with the same sculpts packaged in a different box.
Not going to happen.
I didn't make ANY claim about the rarity of Space Hulk.
Also, remember that your local market may not be representative of the general market.
RedFox wrote: Still a lot of Space Hulk boxes at my FLGS too
If that was the case prior to the rerelease being known, whoever runs your FLGS needs their head examined because those things were going for many times their sticker price on eBay.
He probably means since the re-release. They sold out online very quickly but there are still copies in stores, they had a few for sale at Warhammer Fest too.
I don't think they will release the termies separately, especially not so soon after the re-release of the game. I hope we get a bespoke assault squad (the standard kit is pretty old now) but I'm not sure we will. I reckon we'll at least get a couple of plastic characters, maybe a new vehicle - maybe our own version of the SW flyer, I wouldn't mind that but not sure where it would fit with the Stormraven...
There are 5 boxes just sitting on the counter at my store, what are they going for on ebay? Mabye I should buy them and resell them, but I would prefer it if someone who actually wanted the game just bought it for a fair price. If someone wants the phone number of the store so they can order one, say so.
There are two at my local, I'm sure they will be there a while too, if anyone is needing one I'll get it to you for the cost, but it doesn't seem that desperate yet. If you don't have a Space Hulk game it's a blast!
I poured over the new White Dwarf, not hints that I could see at Blood Angels... Still waiting.
The new end times book isn't out yet, just models, so there's at least another week (potentially 2) of WFB stuff before BA drop (assuming it I BA before Necrons)
i have heard from a source of mine that Blood Angels are indeed next, that the Necrons are a long way away, and that this End Times wave will be over next week once the book is out. Didn't hear about what models the Angels would be getting though, as I only heard confirmation about a Skaven book after them with a new vermin lord
Rygnan wrote: i have heard from a source of mine that Blood Angels are indeed next, that the Necrons are a long way away, and that this End Times wave will be over next week once the book is out. Didn't hear about what models the Angels would be getting though, as I only heard confirmation about a Skaven book after them with a new vermin lord
This is pretty close to my current prediction as well. The reveal for angels may only be about a week and a half out, and factoring in early leaks, we could have confirmation withing a week.
Rygnan wrote: i have heard from a source of mine that Blood Angels are indeed next, that the Necrons are a long way away, and that this End Times wave will be over next week once the book is out. Didn't hear about what models the Angels would be getting though, as I only heard confirmation about a Skaven book after them with a new vermin lord
Rygnan wrote: i have heard from a source of mine that Blood Angels are indeed next, that the Necrons are a long way away, and that this End Times wave will be over next week once the book is out. Didn't hear about what models the Angels would be getting though, as I only heard confirmation about a Skaven book after them with a new vermin lord
Yeah i talked to my LGS owner the other day, whos been in the business for 20+ years, and when i brought up blood angels being a couple weeks out he just smiled and said "yeah, that would make sense" and wouldnt say anything more on it. I believe he knows something. Hmm.
Even if its a GK style release, it will be very welcome. As poorly recieved as that book is, there are a lot of strong things in it. Dreadknights, draigo, libbys, purifiers, terminators, paladins, good relics, strong psy defense, good alternate force org, so we should be in good shape.
Rygnan wrote: i have heard from a source of mine that Blood Angels are indeed next, that the Necrons are a long way away, and that this End Times wave will be over next week once the book is out. Didn't hear about what models the Angels would be getting though, as I only heard confirmation about a Skaven book after them with a new vermin lord
LutherMax wrote: That is true about the fluff... win or lose I just can't imagine Death Company sitting around on some piece of 10,000 year old piece of broken technology smoking and playing cards :(
Pfft !!
They stand around the objective thiking they are all Sanguinis defending the fallen Emperor
You just wrote the fluff that enables scoring DC right there
I can see this but would be like combat dogs in the army. they would have to be put down before you can get near the master.
Doubt that would be the cover. Codexes tend to have a Space Marine in Chapter colours on the front. Not saying they can't do anything different it's just that I don't think people new to the hobby would make the connection between the red guys and the chaplain.
I have a hard time buying that the Blood Angels would get a codex cover painting that is so far below the quality and detail level of the previous hardcover codecies. This also happens to be the cover of the new Lemartes novella.
As nice an illustration as it is, it's not on par with the quality of the current Codex cover art. As PastelAvenger said, I think we can safely expect more RED on the actual cover :laugh:
I fear you're both right. Expensive as Vanguard Vets are it would be nice to retain something like that given the assault focus of the fluff, but we may have to rely on other boons...
Eldercaveman wrote: I'm interested to see what happens with stuff like our Warlord traits, what Relics we get and what happens with DoA.
Yeah I'm pretty excited to see how it pans out. I'd like to hazard a few guesses if this thread will indulge me
One of the warlords traits will be DS with no scatter, which Dante will most probably get.
Assuming the Red Thirst has a similar mechanic to now, one warlord trait will alter the roll.
Perhaps one giving +1A for units within 12" or something.
Relic wise.
A funky JP, hopefully granting +1T
Funky Death Mask - mega de-buff opponent.
Funky armour?
Funky CC weapon?
Funky bolter/bolt pistol?
Eldercaveman wrote: I'm interested to see what happens with stuff like our Warlord traits, what Relics we get and what happens with DoA.
Yeah I'm pretty excited to see how it pans out. I'd like to hazard a few guesses if this thread will indulge me
One of the warlords traits will be DS with no scatter, which Dante will most probably get.
Assuming the Red Thirst has a similar mechanic to now, one warlord trait will alter the roll.
Perhaps one giving +1A for units within 12" or something.
Relic wise.
A funky JP, hopefully granting +1T
Funky Death Mask - mega de-buff opponent.
Funky armour?
Funky CC weapon?
Funky bolter/bolt pistol?
End of the month can't come quick enough!
D
No kidding! Im super excited.
All the marine dexes have gotten a special gun , armor, and 2 weapons, along with several random items. My guess is a cool chain sword, a power sword/crozius relic, (maybe +2 str, ap2, two handed and master crafted if its a sword) an infernus pistol that has the profile of a master crafted melta gun, and artificer armor that either gives an initiative bonus in challenges or a 2++vs shooting or something. After that, itll probably be a special jump pack and a blood chalice thingy.
Paradigm wrote: A Relic Blood Chalice would be nice as a way to get FNP/FC on a squad led by a character without also having to use points/a slot on a Priest.
What is more likely is that if there is a relic blood chalice, it will be limited to a Sang Priest only.
Also potentially a relic standard.
Paradigm wrote: A Relic Blood Chalice would be nice as a way to get FNP/FC on a squad led by a character without also having to use points/a slot on a Priest.
What is more likely is that if there is a relic blood chalice, it will be limited to a Sang Priest only.
Also potentially a relic standard.
Very true. The chalice may give something like +1 to fnp rolls and +1 init on the charge.
None. The only special characters with models that have been cut were the guard platoon leaders and vet sgts from the astra militarium codex. Space wolves didnt lose any characters, and neither will we. Its just people doomsaying, as usual.
th3maninblak wrote: Coming soon section of the new white dwarf mentions "check your respirators"
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Wat?
Plastic Malanthrope and a dual Venomthrope/Zoanthrope kit!
No. Examples of FW being plasticised by GW are notable by their almost total non-existence. How many times has it happened, 2? 3? And when was the last time?
It is an interesting teaser and there are rumours floating about some 'nid gribblies, but I reckon GW would release something new rather than go over something old.
Me being a little facetious aside, Astramilitarum's Hydra is a fairly recent kit is it not? The Tyranid Trygon. Supposedly the current Warhammer Fantasy storyline was originally going to be a Forgeworld book series. GW will borrow whatever they want from their branch.
Considering this is fairly off-topic we might take this PM so as not to clutter/lock the thread.
Sinful Hero wrote: Me being a little facetious aside, Astramilitarum's Hydra is a fairly recent kit is it not? The Tyranid Trygon. Supposedly the current Warhammer Fantasy storyline was originally going to be a Forgeworld book series. GW will borrow whatever they want from their branch.
Considering this is fairly off-topic we might take this PM so as not to clutter/lock the thread.
Sorry, that was more curt than I intended it (hadn't had lunch yet...), had totally forgotten about the Hydra and that is very recent.
On topic, it should only be another week at the max before we start getting leaks, right? I'm currently experiencing a heady mixture of anticipation and fear of what's to come.
None. The only special characters with models that have been cut were the guard platoon leaders and vet sgts from the astra militarium codex. Space wolves didnt lose any characters, and neither will we. Its just people doomsaying, as usual.
None. The only special characters with models that have been cut were the guard platoon leaders and vet sgts from the astra militarium codex. Space wolves didnt lose any characters, and neither will we. Its just people doomsaying, as usual.
Dante, Mephiston, Tycho, and Corblo are older models than those two were. Since they are marine models it is more likely they will survive the new codex.
Marbo is really embarrassing to have, when you're going after other people "inspired" by your own IP. Dante, Mephiston et. al. are probably names old enough to be public domain and Curze is too pivotal to their IP to be dropped, but the riff on Sly's 80s fame was easy to remove.
Vect wasn't just old, but came with a Raider out of place with their newer Raiders. He probably would've survived, if he had just been a regular infantry model.
Perhaps the same logic applied to Ork bikes?
Blood Angels seem pretty safe in that regard, but it could happen again. For example, if a new Space Marines Codex comes out with new fancy Space Marine bikes, which look somewhat different to the current ones (not likely, but hey), Khan might get cut, etc...
And while it's not unusual to use BL covers for book covers (Escalation and the CSM codex come to mind) this is a really bad 'shop job. The resolution of the actual Lemartes cover there is grainy and crappy while the text is sharp. It's a pretty obvious phony.
The Necrons have quitely been replacing Blood Angels with Necron Warriors, who have forgotten they are Necrons and now follow the Emperor.
So basically add reanimation protocols to all Blood Angel units, I will not do and living metal to all Blood Angel Vehicles, and all HQs and Squad leaders van now take Mind Shackle Scarabs.
The Necrons have quitely been replacing Blood Angels with Necron Warriors, who have forgotten they are Necrons and now follow the Emperor.
So basically add reanimation protocols to all Blood Angel units, I will not do and living metal to all Blood Angel Vehicles, and all HQs and Squad leaders van now take Mind Shackle Scarabs.
"For this thread to have some utility and remain useful, please refrain from spamming it with 'jokes'." - Alpharius
Yeah we are starting to push the boundaries between chatter and spam, let's just keep things down until more solid rumors start coming out. Lest we be baned.
Wonderwolf wrote: For example, if a new Space Marines Codex comes out with new fancy Space Marine bikes, which look somewhat different to the current ones (not likely, but hey), Khan might get cut, etc...
Why? He doesn't have a model on bike.
But it's been a while since GW removed Marine characters with models (Naaman, Xavier, Cortez - Bethor and Doomrider, if you wish them to add), so while not impossible I doubt it.
th3maninblak wrote: Saturday november 1st should be the reveal for blood angels, so unless something changes, no halloween preorders.
Pre-orders have been going up on Friday evening for a few months now, so something will be up for pre-order on Halloween.
Not sure why everyone seems to fixated on Blood Angels though. It's .. at best .. one vague rumour among others.
Tons of reasons actually. Oldest codex by far, rumored to be next by lords of war gaming (whos source has literally never been wrong), backed up by steve the warboss, who has also been very accurate, and hinted at in the DE codex digital edition. Definitely the dominant persistent rumor right now. And it would make sense.
th3maninblak wrote: Saturday november 1st should be the reveal for blood angels, so unless something changes, no halloween preorders.
Pre-orders have been going up on Friday evening for a few months now, so something will be up for pre-order on Halloween.
Not sure why everyone seems to fixated on Blood Angels though. It's .. at best .. one vague rumour among others.
Tons of reasons actually. Oldest codex by far, rumored to be next by lords of war gaming (whos source has literally never been wrong), backed up by steve the warboss, who has also been very accurate, and hinted at in the DE codex digital edition. Definitely the dominant persistent rumor right now. And it would make sense.
th3maninblak wrote: Tons of reasons actually. Oldest codex by far, rumored to be next by lords of war gaming (whos source has literally never been wrong), backed up by steve the warboss, who has also been very accurate, and hinted at in the DE codex digital edition. Definitely the dominant persistent rumor right now. And it would make sense.
Umm. That's incorrect. Lords of Wargaming did not say they would be next, just that they will be at the end of the year. (Emphasis Mine)
Spoiler:
Release Schedule Rumors - Oct 2014
A little bit of correction of the Necron rumors: They will receive a codex, but it will be in January. There will be a major change to FoC in this codex. You will also see the release of the third "End Times" book in January as well.
Here was their previous rumor bit
Tons of rumors flying around about Necrons and they are all wrong. The Necrons will only see the release of a Necron lord, no codex will be released. Also Tyranids will see the release of two large bugs. The rules for their models will be in the box like the Nagash release. This is also just a model release for the Tyranids, no codex.
Lastly the Blood angels will be released at the end of the year.
Also, Steve the Warboss is only somewhat accurate at this point and I have a feeling he's going to go downhill very soon.
End of the year means november. No codex has been released in december since 4th edition. And GW has been following a very stable 3x3 pattern, with 3 weeks of codex releases and 3 weeks of end times. Theres no reason to believe that the cycle wont continue. So if its a 3 week release we will have the book by the 22nd. Sooner if its a GK style release.
I would prefer a GK style release, because I no longer trust GW to not screw it up. I don't want a new flyer that looks like a flying coffin or whatever lamebrain idea they come up with.
Crimson Devil wrote: I would prefer a GK style release, because I no longer trust GW to not screw it up. I don't want a new flyer that looks like a flying coffin or whatever lamebrain idea they come up with.
We shall have to agree to disagree, I like the Stormfang - much better model than the Stormraven!
th3maninblak wrote: End of the year means november. No codex has been released in december since 4th edition. And GW has been following a very stable 3x3 pattern, with 3 weeks of codex releases and 3 weeks of end times. Theres no reason to believe that the cycle wont continue. So if its a 3 week release we will have the book by the 22nd. Sooner if its a GK style release.
No Codex has ever been released without models, until Grey Knight.
No 40K Edition has lasted less than 4 years, until 7th Edition.
No 40K Edition has been released without new starter box, until 7th Edition.
No 7th Edition Codex came without LoW, until Dark Eldar.
th3maninblak wrote: End of the year means november. No codex has been released in december since 4th edition. And GW has been following a very stable 3x3 pattern, with 3 weeks of codex releases and 3 weeks of end times. Theres no reason to believe that the cycle wont continue. So if its a 3 week release we will have the book by the 22nd. Sooner if its a GK style release.
No Codex has ever been released without models, until Grey Knight.
No 40K Edition has lasted less than 4 years, until 7th Edition.
No 40K Edition has been released without new starter box, until 7th Edition.
No 7th Edition Codex came without LoW, until Dark Eldar.
If they drop one codex on us for Halloween and the other for Thanksgiving Day weekend they can take the month of December off, and finishthe year with strong 3rd quarter sales.
DaddyWarcrimes wrote: It is a weird coincidence that the BA and the Necrons are the last ones waiting on new army books.
Adepta Sororitas...............
Technically, they got a book in 6th edition. It was just digital only.
It was updated after 7th edition dropped, so it's basically a 7th edition codex.
What? Apetpa Sororitas was released before the final 'Games Day' (now Warhammer Fest) around the same time as Sentinels of Terra andthe fantasy Dark Elves. It must be nearly a year old at this point, if not over a year old.
7th edition was released earlier this year, in the summer time.
I don't mean to derail the thread but say the SoB digital dex is a 7th edition dex is a blatant lie.
OIIIIIIO wrote: I would laugh so hard if the BA got to pilfer a Stormfang Gunship and renamed it the Bloodfang.
I somehow doubt we'll get any entirely new units. The wolves got a flyer because they needed one, and the stormraven/talon didnt really fit. We have basically everything we need. Fast tanks, our own predator variant, assault marines as troops, 2 different variants of assault marines, super cool apothecaries, etc. All we need is a few new character models. Though i would like to see a smaller and faster dreadknight equivalent. Something sleek and gold with massive angelic wings and a big a$$ sword.
I think the Centurion platform fits Blood Angels just fine. I'd like to have them seeing as how I bought a set of 3, and the Stormtalon which is already built and painted up as a Blood Angel flyer. I understand we have the Baal Predator, and a freagin' cool Dreadnaught weapon, but the other new bits would be great too!
Really excited to see what happens with BA's and Necrons. Guess I'll hide and watch.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Can't wait to see the Sanguinius Forge World figure when it comes too. That will be on order for sure!
OIIIIIIO wrote: I would laugh so hard if the BA got to pilfer a Stormfang Gunship and renamed it the Bloodfang.
I somehow doubt we'll get any entirely new units. The wolves got a flyer because they needed one, and the stormraven/talon didnt really fit. We have basically everything we need. Fast tanks, our own predator variant, assault marines as troops, 2 different variants of assault marines, super cool apothecaries, etc. All we need is a few new character models. Though i would like to see a smaller and faster dreadknight equivalent. Something sleek and gold with massive angelic wings and a big a$$ sword.
Good point and I think you're right. Opening up the storm talon for us would make sense, my thoughts on Centurions are detailed above, but other than that I would be happy with just a couple of plastic kits of existing old characters / units. Oh and some nice price drops in the codex of course
OIIIIIIO wrote: I would laugh so hard if the BA got to pilfer a Stormfang Gunship and renamed it the Bloodfang.
I somehow doubt we'll get any entirely new units. The wolves got a flyer because they needed one, and the stormraven/talon didnt really fit. We have basically everything we need. Fast tanks, our own predator variant, assault marines as troops, 2 different variants of assault marines, super cool apothecaries, etc. All we need is a few new character models. Though i would like to see a smaller and faster dreadknight equivalent. Something sleek and gold with massive angelic wings and a big a$$ sword.
Good point and I think you're right. Opening up the storm talon for us would make sense, my thoughts on Centurions are detailed above, but other than that I would be happy with just a couple of plastic kits of existing old characters / units. Oh and some nice price drops in the codex of course
i agree with you, but instead of Vanguard squads (or maybe even right along side of Vanguard squad) bring back the Veteran Assault squad BA use to have
DaddyWarcrimes wrote: It is a weird coincidence that the BA and the Necrons are the last ones waiting on new army books.
Adepta Sororitas...............
Technically, they got a book in 6th edition. It was just digital only.
It wasupdatedafter 7th edition dropped, so it's basically a 7th edition codex.
What? Apetpa Sororitas was released before the final 'Games Day' (now Warhammer Fest) around the same time as Sentinels of Terra andthe fantasy Dark Elves. It must be nearly a year old at this point, if not over a year old.
7th edition was released earlier this year, in the summer time.
I don't mean to derail the thread but say the SoB digital dex is a 7th edition dex is a blatant lie.
D
Read what I wrote and not what you want to jump down my throat for. It's a digital codex, It was updated to include the 7th edition errata and cover 7th edition psychic powers.
adamsouza wrote: If they drop one codex on us for Halloween and the other for Thanksgiving Day weekend they can take the month of December off, and finishthe year with strong 3rd quarter sales.
The only issue is, that their fiscal year ends around June 1st, and even with the Half Year Report (around December 1st) the release(s) they make from here to the holiday's won't be realized until next summer.
I just find it somewhat odd how quiet the rumors have actually been considering how close this might actually be released, it is starting to feel like how the Imperial Knights release was when it just came out of nowhere. I would be fine with just a reworking of the Codex to bring us into point equivalency with other Space Marine Codices. However, what if our release turns into the Imperial Knight release and it is a literal Descent of Angels raining on us? One can hope I guess.
New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
th3maninblak wrote: New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
Everyone knows Blood Angels don't fight against Necrons in that particular ménage à trois.
DaddyWarcrimes wrote: It is a weird coincidence that the BA and the Necrons are the last ones waiting on new army books.
Adepta Sororitas...............
Technically, they got a book in 6th edition. It was just digital only.
It was updated after 7th edition dropped, so it's basically a 7th edition codex.
What? Apetpa Sororitas was released before the final 'Games Day' (now Warhammer Fest) around the same time as Sentinels of Terra andthe fantasy Dark Elves. It must be nearly a year old at this point, if not over a year old.
7th edition was released earlier this year, in the summer time.
I don't mean to derail the thread but say the SoB digital dex is a 7th edition dex is a blatant lie.
D
Indeed - I guess the Blood Angels don;t actually need a new Codex either as they also had a few FAQs for 7th - so fully updated..............
th3maninblak wrote: New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
th3maninblak wrote: New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
Not seeing that on their facebook page. Link?
Im posting from my phone and its being super weird right now. Check the original post debunking the necron rumors and announcing BA for the end of the year. Its at the bottom of the comments section.
th3maninblak wrote: New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
Here it is: Lords of War Gaming There will be a campaign book that is released early November. Necrons are not for a while I know of two armies that are next and another codex that will shock people next year.
Lords of War Gaming I been told that there will be a box like storm claw. BA for sure but I don't know it its Nids or Necrons. If I was to guess I would say Necrons following the Storm Claw model.
Ross Mason What time are we talking for the Nid Release? Lords of War Gaming The should release soon, within 6-7 weeks.
th3maninblak wrote: New news from Lords of War gaming. Beginning of november will feature a new campaign involving the blood angels, with them facing off against either the tyranids or necrons.
nids nids nids nids
Blood Angels verses Tyranids, and then Necrons come in for the rescue !!
Kimchi Gamer wrote: Am I the only one hoping for a model of Mephiston riding a coffin pulled by giant bats?
Not anymore
I want that!
I've heard that GW will do a 40k spin off of pod racing/gorkamorka in 2015.
pretre wrote: Here it is:
Lords of War Gaming There will be a campaign book that is released early November. Necrons are not for a while I know of two armies that are next and another codex that will shock people next year.
Lords of War Gaming I been told that there will be a box like storm claw. BA for sure but I don't know it its Nids or Necrons. If I was to guess I would say Necrons following the Storm Claw model.
Ross Mason What time are we talking for the Nid Release?
Lords of War Gaming The should release soon, within 6-7 weeks.
A codex that would surprise people...
well if Tyranids are involved in this campaign...
oh please for Christ sake give me another Nid book.
I should know better than to get my hopes up but...
With my brothers interest in 40k hanging by a thread as a Blood Angel player and my renewed interest in Nids I really hope BA are next and we get a Stormclaw'esqe campaign between them and Nids.
Indeed - I guess the Blood Angels don;t actually need a new Codex either as they also had a few FAQs for 7th - so fully updated..............
The current Blood Angels book has no Warlord traits, no Relics, no Missions, and no formations.
The current Sisters book has Warlord traits, Relics, Missions, and formations(Purge Squadron, Repentant Host, The Angelic Host)
IDKWTF more you want from the sisters book to consider it a 7th edition codex.
Wood pulp, animal glue, and vegetable dye?
I don't know that that is necessary. And the AS codex is not a 7th edition codex. It is a 6th edition codex, even with the updates. Just like Tau, Eldar, etc.
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I really feel sorry for my wallet! Sod it! I'm getting it all!
last thing this thing needs is a space for two 25mm round bases to stand on in the back
