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So what is everyone thinking about what BoLS is floating around with GW making Horus Heresy Plastics?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/02/breaking-horus-heresy-plastic-box-details.html

I personally am irritated that all the money thrown at FW resin has been sort of wasted... there I said it. Nothing new with miniatures I guess and yea I know its not really wasted.

I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping. More options perhaps, but with an eyebrow lifting price tag...


Discuss....

kveldulf wrote:


I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping.


Discuss....

Somewhat old news I'm afraid.



However as far as one can see the thread(s) where this was discussed have either moved on or finished so we'll leave this one open for now.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

kveldulf wrote:


I wonder if they will be near as cheap as people are hoping.


Discuss....

So long as it works out cheaper than Forge World and includes at least the basic options, I can see myself buying them. £26 for 10 like the BA Tacticals seems reasonable, maybe up to £30 if they want to have a HH tax. Beyond that, I'll stick to Anvil/Kromlech for my old-Mark armour needs.

Price aside, though, I am rather massively looking forward to it. Plastic HH stuff would mean far easier conversion, presumably lower cost and make bulking out a HH army far easier, which can only be a good thing. Not fussed about the rules, really, so long as I can get Mk3-5 in plastic I'll be happy. Plastic Cataphractii Terminators would put me over the moon!

The only part I don't like the sound of is that the LotR/Hobbit range will be going Direct Only to make space for this. It's represented little enough as it is, but the prices are only really justifiable through discounters. If that ceases to be an option, GW will have seen my last LotR-related pound, and in future it will go to Perry, Wargames Factory and various others.

 reds8n wrote:
Somewhat old news I'm afraid.



However as far as one can see the thread(s) where this was discussed have either moved on or finished so we'll leave this one open for now.

Yea, I was a bit surprised that none could be found in the rumors section. Thank you.

Quality and consistency are my main concern - will they look as good as and, more importantly, match the FW stuff I already have? Will the Mk III armour they produce look similar enough to the Salamanders torsos/Mk III legs I have, or will they match the 'Armour Through The Ages' set?

Personally, though, I'm hoping the sub-rumor attached to this one - that GW stores will start carrying a limited amout of FW product and/or allowing free ship orders to GW stores - pans out. Be nice not to have to worry about exchange rate charges while working on my 20 Dread HH Salamanders list.

I am unhappy, other stuff is needed within the 40k setting, and working on the HH stuff is a none sale to me.
Unless forgeworld starts working on stuff for 40k and the other races it will end up as something more to ignore from GW.
Would have rather them put more effort into getting the hobbit, lord of the rings stuff affordable and try and give it the revival it needs.
In the end, for me is a meh.

So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

 Norn King wrote:
So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

What GW is doing (if this pans out as stated) is opening the door to Forge World's HH range, by providing cheaper, entry-level models that they get people looking at Forge World. What has always put me off about a proper HH army is not the price of the specific Elites so much as the core of the army: £70-ish for a (minimum size 10-man) Tactical Squad is just not a price I can stomach. On the other hand, their older Terminator Marks or legion-specific stuff isn't wildly expensive when you consider a) how many points these units cost and b) you're only likey to need 1 set in most lists.

What GW will offer, according to these rumours, is the very basics (plastic HH PA and possibly TDA sets), which then get people into dropping the cash on more expensive Forge World stuff.

 Norn King wrote:
So GW is trying to drive FW out of the market?

I thought they are essentially partners?

Subsidiaries of the same company along with Black Library.

And apparently, the rumors are at some level true. There appears to be a Horus Heresy page on the GW site. Blank as now, but it doesn't bring up a 404 error like when you try to access an old, no-longer-on-site file.

Maybe this is part of the FW website being rolled into the GW main website thing.
There was rumours about it a while back when the new GW site rumours cropped up.

The original rumor was posted by Hastings on Warseer about a week ago

There will be
- A standalone Boxed Game
- It takes place before or in the early days of the Horus Heresy
- It is produced and sold by GW
- It will contain plastic HH miniatures
- The game will be sold for circa 6 months
- The miniatures of this set will be sold seperately afterwards

And most important: Hastings hinted at a different ruleset to the current 40k one. He has no information what that means but the GW HH miniature boxes will come with rules for 40k and 30k.

We had a discussion about it in the Mark IX Armour thread which then ended in the conclusion by the original source Duffybear that the Mark IX is probably only the Mark IV or something similiar for the HH Boxed Game.

Hastings doesn't know yet when the HH Boxed Game will be released

A good overview can be found here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K


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 Carlson793 wrote:
Quality and consistency are my main concern - will they look as good as and, more importantly, match the FW stuff I already have? Will the Mk III armour they produce look similar enough to the Salamanders torsos/Mk III legs I have, or will they match the 'Armour Through The Ages' set?

Personally, though, I'm hoping the sub-rumor attached to this one - that GW stores will start carrying a limited amout of FW product and/or allowing free ship orders to GW stores - pans out. Be nice not to have to worry about exchange rate charges while working on my 20 Dread HH Salamanders list.

Yeah...the real issue for me is the size. The FW marks aren't quite the size of the GW Mk.7. It would make sense for them to make the 30K plastics the same scale as 40K so that they get some cross-selling. But that'd also mean that some of the FW parts and accessories won't work well with the plastics.

I have a feeling that I'm going to be stuck buying the FW infantry to finish my HH army (note that "stuck" is a self-imposed condition based on my desire for a uniform army). *shrug* But the plastics should be great news for anyone starting HH, and great news for everyone playing HH since it may become easier to find opponents, etc.

Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I reckon there is. FW prices (especially, as I pointed out before, for the basics of an army) are pretty insane, even by GW standards, and plastic HH marines would get me using GW product for my 30k stuff rather than Anvil/Kromlech, which is good for them. I'd hazard a guess that there are many like myself that would love to play 30k on a significant scale, but balk every time we see the cost.

Official 30k kit in plastic and resin aftermarket parts provided by themselves........

GW 'Chapterhoused'

Those geniuses have done it again!

Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If money and time was no object- sure I'd get stuck into HH. I have half a battle company of Dark Angels, a dozen or so Ravenwing and a good number of Deathwing at the moment though so I'm good for my space marine crack.

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope chaos gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with chaos legion for too long. I want them now! Lol

So long as FW maintain control of the actual 'Horus Heresy', no problem with this. Quite interested to see what actually comes out of this (especially following comments at the HH Weekender) and what kind of following the GW section of this gets

 Lockark wrote:

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope THE IMPERIUM gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with IMPERIAL TANKS AND SPACE MARINE VEHICLE VARIANTS I want them now! Lol

FW fixed that last bit for you.

Wow. I've missed the previous postings, but 30k figures are one thing that could potentially tempt me to buying more GW product. I'm sure the prices will be nuts enough that I won't start a new army or buy the rulebooks, but it'd be nice to add a few old-school units to my BA army.

Very smart move on GW's part IMHO. I agree with Paradigm, that this could be very good for Forge World. Even if there's a bit of size difference, at the very least, folks could get their infantry from GW and vehicles and such from FW.

nkelsch wrote:
if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If unique character sculpts are desired and collectors are the market, then the primarchs would be much better in metal or resin. Plastic is much better suited to line troops and non-unique characters that may be used by different players in different configurations.

 Eilif wrote:
Wow. I've missed the previous postings, but 30k figures are one thing that could potentially tempt me to buying more GW product. I'm sure the prices will be nuts enough that I won't start a new army or buy the rulebooks, but it'd be nice to add a few old-school units to my BA army.

Very smart move on GW's part IMHO. I agree with Paradigm, that this could be very good for Forge World. Even if there's a bit of size difference, at the very least, folks could get their infantry from GW and vehicles and such from FW.

nkelsch wrote:
if GW really is about collectors, I would love to see a plastic set which is a bunch of cinematic Primarch figures and such. Imagine Space Hulk but 11 really unique character sculpts.

If unique character sculpts are desired and collectors are the market, then the primarchs would be much better in metal or resin. Plastic is much better suited to line troops and non-unique characters that may be used by different players in different configurations.

But gamers are not the target market and are not what is the focus of GW.

Space Hulk showed how they can make multiple unique and quality sculpts in a sprue... If they did so with the HH characters like Primarchs, it would be really cool and people would buy them for collecting.

Not all 'collecting' requires expensive models.

I think a game focused around the events leading up to the death of the emperor via the primarchs would be awesome too.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

In the current age of darkness expansion their was nothing stopping you from running any of the 40k xeno armies plus anything fw put out.. If anything most hh units are over coasted compared to anything you can pull out of a 40k army....

But knowing their will be xeno in the gw hh rule set is still good news. I just hope THE IMPERIUM gets represented. Forge world has been teasing me with IMPERIAL TANKS AND SPACE MARINE VEHICLE VARIANTS I want them now! Lol

FW fixed that last bit for you.

Nah, that's just not true! I been putting spikes on my tanks like a good minion of chaos.

XP

I actually go out of my way to convert my marines so they don't look uniform. So as look at they look like old Armour and look cool I'm happy. I love sending in waves of bolter goons.

If this rumor proves true, I'd actually like to pick up a squad or two of Heresey-era SMs. My homebrew Chapter dates back to the Second Founding, and so it should have a bunch of older armor marks. Plastic Mk 4s and 5s would allow me to give my army to look I've wanted it to have, but could never afford.

The thing is my perception, and I suspect that of other gamers and especially FW, of Heresy or pre-Heresy battles is that they would have been massive.

Legion vs Legion is GW's wet dream, HUGE games of 40K where both sides are their best selling product - Space Marines.

Then add to the fact that the Heresy players have gone Ad-Mech and Knight crazy and I think the pound signs must have been flashing before their eyes.

However most gamers simply can't afford to recreate battles on such an epic scale because the basic meat and potatoes of your army - the marines - are prohibitively expensive.

I think initially when FW started producing HH Marines they were primarily intended for collectors, but the whole thing has spiralled massively. Over half my regular gaming group now play 30K almost exclusively.

So add in plastic core troops ans suddenly everyone can afford to start fielding proper armies, with FW selling all the extras.

I think this really is an untapped gold mine, and I for one am very, very excited.

 Sol Invictus wrote:
Am I the only one who was excited to read that there will be rules for Xenos?

I wouldn't get my hopes up. It could be as simple as a list of various troops choices and a statement saying these units have their maximum size increased by X.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

Actually, I think it might be the other way around. I think GW might be trying to lure previously 40K-only players in for HH then, due to limited unit selection from GW, get them interested in buying FW stuff so they can field competitive units like Sicarans and Typhons and Spartans (oh my!). Not that FW necessarily needs the extra sales, but it can't hurt the company to get people previously uninterested in FW products to make a purchase.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The original rumor was posted by Hastings on Warseer about a week ago
And most important: Hastings hinted at a different ruleset to the current 40k one. He has no information what that means but the GW HH miniature boxes will come with rules for 40k and 30k.

I don't think it'd need a new ruleset (that can be covered in maybe 8 pages with Age of Darkness FoCs, allies matrix, and special rules for 'new' weapons like Volkites), but it might be a reference to the need for a new 'codex' to represent the Legiones Astartes. Perhaps a digest sized version of the Crusade Army List with a few tid-bits thrown in from the Isstvan Campaign Legions book and various Mechanicum/Imperial Army units of the era.

The details of the Horus Heresy, revealed...

Rules for Primarchs...

And now plastic Horus Heresy models AND a game from GW?!?

This truly is...The End Times!

 Alpharius wrote:
The details of the Horus Heresy, revealed...

Rules for Primarchs...

And now plastic Horus Heresy models AND a game from GW?!?

This truly is...The End Times!

Actually, 40K is the End Times. 30K/Horus Heresy is 'The Beginning of the End Times'.

Yeah well, I meant IRL guy!

Actually actually, 40k means we're halfway to the end times, it'll take another 10k years before the prophesy is fulfilled.

Also, FW and BL have been covering every minor detail of the HH at an excruciatingly slow pace for years now! In any case, it'll be nice to see some of the older marks concentrated in one box in plastic. I don't, however, relish the idea of *yet* another contemptor dreadnought being released.

I thought it meant when emperors light goes out finally.

Weeeeelllllll, if the Visions of War is to be believed, the Adeptus Custodes will be getting one at the very least.

 warboss wrote:
In any case, it'll be nice to see some of the older marks concentrated in one box in plastic. I don't, however, relish the idea of *yet* another contemptor dreadnought being released.

More Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV (helmets only on the last - not a fan of the armour itself)? Very much yesly please!
Plastic Contemptors? Oh Hell Yes! I need 10-11 Contemptors, 2-3 Deredeos and 1-2 Mk IV/V Dreads to fill out my dream Salamanders list, and the cheaper I can get them, the better!

 Paradigm wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I reckon there is. FW prices (especially, as I pointed out before, for the basics of an army) are pretty insane, even by GW standards, and plastic HH marines would get me using GW product for my 30k stuff rather than Anvil/Kromlech, which is good for them. I'd hazard a guess that there are many like myself that would love to play 30k on a significant scale, but balk every time we see the cost.

For a 10-man tac squad, you're looking at 47 GBP, or about $72. If you want them to, you know, have bolters to fire, that's another 11.50 GBP or about $18.

So it's about 58.5 GBP or $90 for 10 *basic* guys.

Now, if you want legion-specific add-ons, heads will run you about 11.50 GBP/$18 for 10, torsos 11.50 GBP/$18 for 5, and pads 9.50/$15 for 5 sets. You see where this is going. A full squad of 20 (HH tacs go up to 20) with all the trimmings would set you back 224 GBP or about $345.

Clearly you don't *need* all the trimmings, but I think price is a MAJOR barrier for people. What's more, we also probably shouldn't underestimate how much of this is about presenting an alternative to certain other sources of FW that are out there. Reasonably priced plastic infantry would keep more of that money flowing to Nottingham instead of certain other countries.

Edit: Corrected my math above.

To me this is great for the consumer. I see some of these getting on ebay and going for a decent price.

I wonder when was the last time someone bought a carnifex brood at $70?

And forge world will sue gw for invalidating their whole buisness.
oh and i just seen the post some way above no fw and gw both have factories in england.

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I would have jumped all over this 5 years ago. I hate resin, love plastic, and really loved the Black Library Horus Heresy novels. Now, though.... I expect the prices to be almost as big a joke as the current Black Library.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
And forge world will sue gw for invalidating their whole buisness.
oh and i just seen the post some way above no fw and gw both have factories in england.

Erm they are part of the same company...

 reds8n wrote:
Somewhat old news I'm afraid.



However as far as one can see the thread(s) where this was discussed have either moved on or finished so we'll leave this one open for now.

Also, old news for those of us that made our own Pre-Heresy/Heresy miniatures from conversions, back in 2008 or so!

*Into Pre-Heresy before it was cool*

 Carlson793 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
In any case, it'll be nice to see some of the older marks concentrated in one box in plastic. I don't, however, relish the idea of *yet* another contemptor dreadnought being released.

More Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV (helmets only on the last - not a fan of the armour itself)? Very much yesly please!
Plastic Contemptors? Oh Hell Yes! I need 10-11 Contemptors, 2-3 Deredeos and 1-2 Mk IV/V Dreads to fill out my dream Salamanders list, and the cheaper I can get them, the better!

Don't get me wrong. I really like the normal contemptor design ever since I saw it in the Visions of HH art book back in 5th edition (I didn't play the ccg). I loved the FW contemptor enough when they first released it to make it my first direct from FW order ever. I was a bit miffed when the "relic" version came out a few months later as I would have preferred that one. Then came the contemptor for each and every legion which I wasn't a fan of. YMMV but I would have preferred an upgrade kit to the relic with the bits for each legion (similar to the rhino kits) and to devote those resources to making more of the individual units and characters. And then came the weaponized yellow M&M doredo...

I'm in all honesty fine with a single plastic contemptor but I do hope that GW doesn't follow even further in FW's pioneering steps and make even more of them. Normally, I'd say it would be very unlikely but the Blood Angels nothing really different but you get a completely different plastic terminator assault and tactical squad kit indicates otherwise. Twisting a good idea and driving it into the ground seems to be a hallmark of main GW of late.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy#


does this url work for people ...?

It does, but it doesn't load anything.

Ditto.

Interesting.

At least it doesn't give a 404 error, so it means it's probably just claimed and has to be filled in.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
And forge world will sue gw for invalidating their whole buisness.
oh and i just seen the post some way above no fw and gw both have factories in england.

GW owns the brand, they control it and can do whatever they want. Hardly the first time they've done plastic versions of popular FW kits, plastic SM drop pods, plastci IG valkyries, chapter specific vehicle doors and icons, venerable dreadnoughts and Leman Russ variants etc.

As far as "invalidating FW's entire business", hardly. FW was doing fine making kits long before HH came out and will continue to be fine. There's always some new thing that GW doesn't want to produce a kit for, and FW has shown they're perfectly capable of coming up with new vehicles and units things to make, some of which later gets produced in plastic by GW. Been happening since FW first came on the scene.

I would have jumped all over this 5 years ago. I hate resin, love plastic, and really loved the Black Library Horus Heresy novels. Now, though.... I expect the prices to be almost as big a joke as the current Black Library.

Exactly this. I'm pretty much over GW at this point, but when HH first released I would have bought up the plastics like hotcakes.

As far as "invalidating FW's entire business", hardly. FW was doing fine making kits long before HH came out and will continue to be fine. There's always some new thing that GW doesn't want to produce a kit for, and FW has shown they're perfectly capable of coming up with new vehicles and units things to make, some of which later gets produced in plastic by GW. Been happening since FW first came on the scene.

Hmm, lets just hope that FW will still be the ones making the HH books instead of GW. No offense, but the artwork and background produced by GW since the 4th edition has been rather disappointing. FW's Horus Heresy books are really amazing, would be a shame if those would disappear with GW taking over...

Maybe that means FW will start doing figures other than HH related stuff when GW proper starts muscling in?

A man can dream.

I'd be interested in the game aspects of this, especially if it's played differently than 40k.

A bit of nostalgia for me as well, as some of my first GW figures were of the old antiquated armor sets when I'd asked my dad to get some guys in power armor- they were most certainly not the beakies of the times. I want to say they were Iron and Thunder armor sets I had, and possibly some of the Mk V armors as well.

 Alpharius wrote:
The details of the Horus Heresy, revealed...

Rules for Primarchs...

And now plastic Horus Heresy models AND a game from GW?!?

This truly is...The End Times!

It's long been said that the day GW main start producing Horus Heresy, it was a sign they're in trouble and trying to create a new lease of life.

Not that it has to be a bad thing but I rather fear that when it moves from Forgeworld to standard GW, it will become diluted and made more generic. Forgeworld are doing all the best stuff at the moment, GW just make childish rubbish.

Curiouser and curiouser...

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, lets just hope that FW will still be the ones making the HH books instead of GW. No offense, but the artwork and background produced by GW since the 4th edition has been rather disappointing. FW's Horus Heresy books are really amazing, would be a shame if those would disappear with GW taking over...

Agreed! Especially now that the codex books have become picture books almost entirely devoid of art, it's great to see that FW has raised the bar for their own publications.

 Carlson793 wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

Actually, I think it might be the other way around. I think GW might be trying to lure previously 40K-only players in for HH then, due to limited unit selection from GW, get them interested in buying FW stuff so they can field competitive units like Sicarans and Typhons and Spartans (oh my!). Not that FW necessarily needs the extra sales, but it can't hurt the company to get people previously uninterested in FW products to make a purchase.

I suppose that makes sense from a business perspective. I just wonder if at some point, the whole game just becomes so saturated in power armor that it starts to lose even more customers. I was never one of those guys that complained about SMs, but if we see a HH plastic boxed set and a new set of core rules featuring SMs fighting it out in the far distant past, I might turn into one of those guys.

So, just to summarize: 40K with a majority of the game composed of power armor, HH is power armor all the time, and rumors of Warhammer Fantasy introducing a new faction of heavily armored knights similar to Space Marines. Anyone at all concerned about that?

 BrookM wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, lets just hope that FW will still be the ones making the HH books instead of GW. No offense, but the artwork and background produced by GW since the 4th edition has been rather disappointing. FW's Horus Heresy books are really amazing, would be a shame if those would disappear with GW taking over...

Agreed! Especially now that the codex books have become picture books almost entirely devoid of art, it's great to see that FW has raised the bar for their own publications.

Not only that, but that the artwork that does appear in these books seems to be rather generic. Which is a real shame since GW's artwork was one of those things that really set it apart from its peers.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Carlson793 wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

Actually, I think it might be the other way around. I think GW might be trying to lure previously 40K-only players in for HH then, due to limited unit selection from GW, get them interested in buying FW stuff so they can field competitive units like Sicarans and Typhons and Spartans (oh my!). Not that FW necessarily needs the extra sales, but it can't hurt the company to get people previously uninterested in FW products to make a purchase.

I suppose that makes sense from a business perspective. I just wonder if at some point, the whole game just becomes so saturated in power armor that it starts to lose even more customers. I was never one of those guys that complained about SMs, but if we see a HH plastic boxed set and a new set of core rules featuring SMs fighting it out in the far distant past, I might turn into one of those guys.

So, just to summarize: 40K with a majority of the game composed of power armor, HH is power armor all the time, and rumors of Warhammer Fantasy introducing a new faction of heavily armored knights similar to Space Marines. Anyone at all concerned about that?

While the underlined is true, you'd be surprised at how divergent the armies get even with them sharing the core legion list. FW has handled the legions very, very well IMO. It obviously helped that they were able to build them all from scratch, instead of having all the legacy issues that entangle the GW studio.

I don't care how expensive they are. If they actually make them, I'm happy.

 Malika2 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, lets just hope that FW will still be the ones making the HH books instead of GW. No offense, but the artwork and background produced by GW since the 4th edition has been rather disappointing. FW's Horus Heresy books are really amazing, would be a shame if those would disappear with GW taking over...

Agreed! Especially now that the codex books have become picture books almost entirely devoid of art, it's great to see that FW has raised the bar for their own publications.

Not only that, but that the artwork that does appear in these books seems to be rather generic. Which is a real shame since GW's artwork was one of those things that really set it apart from its peers.

Older B&W stuff gets coloured in, though the campaign books do feature new pieces thankfully and sometimes it's actually quite good. Though most of it is playing safe by sticking to the established already done stuff.

lliu wrote:
I don't care how expensive they are. If they actually make them, I'm happy.

That sounds like a dare.

While I'm not a Heresy fan I'd rather see this than seperate kits for every Chapter, or more goofy new units like the Centurions. If GW has to make moar Marines, sure, go for some of the other armour designs.

 the_Armyman wrote:

So, just to summarize: 40K with a majority of the game composed of power armor, HH is power armor all the time, and rumors of Warhammer Fantasy introducing a new faction of heavily armored knights similar to Space Marines. Anyone at all concerned about that?

they've actually already done this twice - 50/50 in the Slaves to Darkness & the Lost & the Damned rules where champions could be granted boltguns & power armour & in the original Warhammer Siege book.

I wonder where all those powerswords and powerfists from the island of Albion ever went to........


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30k for a setting? Huge armies of plastic Space Marines, with titans and superheavies all over the place?

I've got it! Reprint Titan Legions and Space Marine!!!

Some of us are already playing Heresy at 6mm scale ;-)

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24216

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I know in my area there are a fair number of people, myself included, that would buy the older Marks of armor if the price was reasonable and they weren't resin.(Finecast made a bad impression where resin is concerned)

Pretty flipping sweet!!!

I think that the Warhammer 30K figures and kits are amazing! I'm curious to see if the plastics even come close to measuring up.


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Heck, I'll even use 30K plastics to make my Chaos army, much better in my opinion than the current Chaos Marines!!

If it is 28mm
then

Well all I can say is that I have seen better Chinese recasts better than FW stuff and the Russians do a very good recast job as well. So all in all If this is true, might actually get some FW product in plastic.

Hmm...apparently, all the unnecessary traffic to the 'GW Horus Heresy' has convinced GW to put a 404 on the page.

Oops, cat's already out of the bag....

Another SM kit. Great! Even more armor bits to differentiate my Marines from one another - unless it's dupes of stuff that's already in circulation. That'd suck.

 Breotan wrote:
Another SM kit. Great! Even more armor bits to differentiate my Marines from one another - unless it's dupes of stuff that's already in circulation. That'd suck.

Unless you're Chaos, in which case you'll have Mk.VII and a bit of Mk.V and you'll be damned well happy about it! Now go for forge a fething narrative, worthless Chaos players whilst we prep the new Dark Angel Tac Squad which will be 0.03% different to the last one.

This would be happening after I took delivery of my last lot of Marines for my 30k army.

I am very interested in how GW will handle the scale of Marines, FW's 30k Marines are very different, I wouldn't want to stand 40k sized Marines next to them unless it was a stand in for a Marine character who is meant to be larger.

The FW prices have been the thing that's keeping me from a HH army, so this may tip me over the edge (like many others) to get into the series. Well played GW... Let's just hope they do it properly as with such an opportunity it can only be GW who it up!

Also tried the HH page link, came up with this... Automated message or GW noticing us and trying to kill the rumours?

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Plastic Heresy era minis would be really nice, but in a way I'd prefer GW to focus on expanding the 40k races and let Forgeworld finish off what they're doing for HH. The recent Harlequins release was great, and has got me interested in 40k again after a while away from wargaming. I'd like to see more minor factions return before they commit resources to 30k.

 Samus666 wrote:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Plastic Heresy era minis would be really nice, but in a way I'd prefer GW to focus on expanding the 40k races and let Forgeworld finish off what they're doing for HH. The recent Harlequins release was great, and has got me interested in 40k again after a while away from wargaming. I'd like to see more minor factions return before they commit resources to 30k.

The same rumour that first broke this HH stuff also mentioned both Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults getting books and models in the future, and we have Ad Mech coming in March apparently.

Honestly, I think I'd rather GW do new stuff (both HH and these mini-factions) than just trot out one-kit codexes. I think Space Wolves was the last time a codex actually introduced something new, GK, DE, BA and Crons have all been either reskins of existing models or nothing at all. THe current books have really reached saturation point, so I'm all for going in different directions.

AdMech is coming in May, isn't it? Hastings hasn't mentioned a date but the very reliable Lords of Wargaming said two Adeptus Mechanicus codex books and a spider-walker amongst other AdMech products in May

I may well be wrong, it was just off the top of my head. I thought AdMech was slated for March and this HH stuff was coming in May?

As others have said, this makes perfect sense to me; switch the core 30k troops to plastic and let FW continue with all the cooler, more esoteric stuff.

The ability to buy the bulk of a 30k army at a reasonable price (and easier to build) would make it very difficult to resist buying in. Plus it would make a cool upgrade pack for veterans, command squads, etc. plus maybe even poor, neglected CSM.

All of which represents a startling degree of common sense, therefore almost certainly untrue(!)

No problem. End of March there will be a 40k Supplement book featuring Khorne (a Darnok and Sad Panda rumor - so pretty much confirmed), which adds the new Bloodthirster(s) to CSM and Daemon armies.

March/April releases are unkown at the moment. May is Adeptus Mechanicus from GW and the HH boxed game is not in May, both according to Lords of Wargaming.

The HH box could be March/April or June. July brings the 9th edition of WFB. I also read on Warseer, there are no more WFB releases after End Times V and before 9th edition. Not sure if this excludes another Greater Daemon kit for both systems though.

There will be lots of free release slots for 30k/40k though, so we could see some nice surprises soon

While I have to confess a slight feeling of dread as to what they're going to do with this, and how it might get all screwed up, that is tempered with a degree of excitement.

Change isn't always good, but it does at least offer the prospect of improvement.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Change isn't always good, but it does at least offer the prospect of improvement.

Well, either that or higher prices.

Wait a sec, 30k setting, different rules to 40k, separate starter set? Isn't that what space marine was all about lol.

From a production point of view it's rather easy: just produce a single marine kit and put two of them in a box to represent two factions. I mean, that's what GW did with the original Space Marine (first edition of Epic) game.

Can't we get some nice new Chaos Marines first?

All these GW rumours coming out suggests a lot of false information or that mania has engulfed the design studio.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Can't we get some nice new Chaos Marines first?

No.


You asked. *shrug*

You don't ask, you don't get.

You ask, you don't get.

Such is life.

Gw will not do it any time soon gw are currently doing daemons if you havent seen the new blood thirster.

Ever since FW started HH I've been tempted to add some 'The Heresy was only yesterday for us' Night Lords to my 40K Chaos Marine army.

If these rumours are accurate and dependant on whether they can mix and match with the FW bits it looks like I may be able to do it on the cheap (compared to a purely FW project).

Mymearan wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
And forge world will sue gw for invalidating their whole buisness.
oh and i just seen the post some way above no fw and gw both have factories in england.

Erm they are part of the same company...

Forgeworld sprues come with © Games Workshop Ltd cast into them which you'd think would make it obvious that they were the same company. It's like saying Black Library is not part of Games Workshop.

alphaecho wrote:
Ever since FW started HH I've been tempted to add some 'The Heresy was only yesterday for us' Night Lords to my 40K Chaos Marine army.

There are no Heresy era Night Lords in 40k. They were all killed by Crimson Slaughter renegades in Mk 7 armor so they could steal their autocannons.

Did I forge that right?

Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

Which is not what they are doing. GW releasing the basics of a HH army brings down the overall cost of a 30k army, and frees up Forge World to work on legion-specific stuff which you can bet GW won't touch. People buy the bulk of the army from GW, the specialists from FW, and ultimately, GW gets the increased income from both.

 Paradigm wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Forge world is part of gw, but its like only doing somthing with your left hand fw which is sepecilised. Then learning to do it worse on your stronger right hand gw so now you have this usless left hand fw and cutting it off beacuse its now invalidated.

Thats what will happen to fw if gw realses all their stuff cheaper.

Which is not what they are doing. GW releasing the basics of a HH army brings down the overall cost of a 30k army, and frees up Forge World to work on legion-specific stuff which you can bet GW won't touch. People buy the bulk of the army from GW, the specialists from FW, and ultimately, GW gets the increased income from both.

Not to mention GW main can keep up with demand better allowing them to make it more available by stocking it in stores and having their FLGS partners stock it.

You know, the things FW can't do because of it's small size.

What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

They found a way around that already. Modern purity seals are just derivatives of the "oaths of the moment" worn by HH era Astartes.

Kelly502 wrote:
Heck, I'll even use 30K plastics to make my Chaos army, much better in my opinion than the current Chaos Marines!!

That doesn't take much. The current Chaos kits are awful.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I'd like to see GW release basic infantry versions of the various Marks, but that would mean GW would have to produce Space Marines without a single purity seal or aquila, and I just don't believe that they're capable of doing that.

They just give us Skull Seals and Skullia instead.

They could just include a mini sprue/sprue section of Aquila and seals that you can festoon your dudes with, in case your dudes are a chapter for which that would be appropriate.

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Yes, like Space Hulk although more like the 1995 Necromunda game which plastic miniatures were a bit more posable, had a few individual parts like arms and were on round bases. Space Hulk minis are monopose and not on bases. Hastings also said the box will have limited shelf life but the miniatures will continue to be sold afterwards. The box will be available vor a few months. He described the set, like the upcoming 40k Assassins game, being 'Standalone', which will, as far as he knows, have a different rule system than 40k. This could mean it is compatible with FW's 30k or completely independent. The miniatures will be 28mm heroic scale and they will get released in boxes (of let's say 10) which will contain rules/profiles for the new system and 40k/FW 30k. The latest Steve the Warboss rumors and predictions that were posted two days ago are based on Hastings information the HH game will probably be expanded - for example with Xenos like it used to be in the 6mm Epic when they were releasing the Codex Titanicus rules (featuring Orks and Eldar units).

Warhams-77 wrote:

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Yes, like Space Hulk although more like the 1995 Necromunda game which plastic miniatures were a bit more posable, had a few individual parts like arms and were on round bases. Space Hulk minis are monopose and not on bases. Hastings also said the box will have limited shelf life but the miniatures will continue to be sold afterwards.

Miniatures are not snap fit, but the game(s) in the box(es) is(are) definitely more board-game-ish, played on 2D card-board tiles.

A 40k Assassins standalone game? What deviltry is this you speak of?

First I think I've heard of that. Or is that what started as that Inquisitor standalone game rumor from a while back?

Thanks for chiming in, Panda So, 2D tiles for the new board games? Awesome

Quoting Zion on Warseer

Lords of Wargaming has spoken up about this year:

9th Ed Fantasy, new 40k campaign stater, a couple of one off 40k board games, etc..

Regarding the board games:

Quote Originally Posted by Lords of War Gaming
One will drop April/May and one in November. For now, I can't say.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?404105-2015-40k-releases-according-to-BoLS&p=7385696&viewfull=1#post7385696




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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A 40k Assassins standalone game? What deviltry is this you speak of?

First I think I've heard of that. Or is that what started as that Inquisitor standalone game rumor from a while back?

Here is a summary The rumor originates from Hastings on Warseer

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303600-rumours-assassins-standalone-boxed-game/

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I haven't played 40k really since 6th edition started. 7th was the final nail in the coffin for me ever attempting to build an army and try to keep up with things as I was getting together to game maybe 1-2 times a year for 40k. Just wasn't worth it to keep up with all the rules changes and $80 rulebooks every other year. That said, if they release a HH boxed game, I would buy it in a second. I might even slowly build a small army from there. I'm not going to pay $90 a tactical squad for it, though. I'm also not super fond of working with FW resin these days after being spoiled by the ease of GW plastic. I don't have enough hobby time these days to spend an afternoon scrubbing molding release and filing down mold lines on 20+ marines.

So yeah, I'm just one guy, but I'm sure there are many, many people who would jump at a more accessible entry in HH gaming.

 catharsix wrote:


They could just include a mini sprue/sprue section of Aquila and seals that you can festoon your dudes with, in case your dudes are a chapter for which that would be appropriate.

Wordbearer players would LOVE this!

T

I just had this silly vision of tring to get a pickup game of 40K sorta like how you order a coffee at Starbuck's: "I'd like a triple combat patrol, skim-Forgeworld, bound Escalation with Heresy foam and a shot each of formation and allied Imperial Knights."

Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

I wonder if this might end up being a part of GW's Horus Heresy push as well?

Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

FFG has made it clear that basic flak armor (which most IG regiments use) looks exactly like that worn by cadians.

Also this is wishlisting but hopefully they make chest and head conversion parts for Imperial Army troops and some special stuff (Ogryns, ratlings etc.)

On a side note when is Imperial Army supposed to appear in the FW books?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

I wonder if this might end up being a part of GW's Horus Heresy push as well?

If GW put out plastic greatcoat Imperial Army with the option of Shako heads or Bearskin heads...I give in. Take all the monies, GW, just take it and leave me to my shame.

 Starfarer wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Is there really this vast, untapped market of heresy players who have sat out because of FW's prices? I would imagine that the people who want to play HH have ponied-up the cash and are happily painting their Mark-whatever armor. I get that it's popular and that I'm in the minority because it doesn't apeal to me, I just don't see what customer this is intended for.

I haven't played 40k really since 6th edition started. 7th was the final nail in the coffin for me ever attempting to build an army and try to keep up with things as I was getting together to game maybe 1-2 times a year for 40k. Just wasn't worth it to keep up with all the rules changes and $80 rulebooks every other year. That said, if they release a HH boxed game, I would buy it in a second. I might even slowly build a small army from there. I'm not going to pay $90 a tactical squad for it, though. I'm also not super fond of working with FW resin these days after being spoiled by the ease of GW plastic. I don't have enough hobby time these days to spend an afternoon scrubbing molding release and filing down mold lines on 20+ marines.

So yeah, I'm just one guy, but I'm sure there are many, many people who would jump at a more accessible entry in HH gaming.

I had some money come my way, so I bought an Invasion Force + a few things. Waiting for the right time and the spare cash to buy more of the stuff I want to round it out. In the meantime, I also would love to do another legion, but the price...

So, yeah, plastic would (theoretically, we know how GW loves their price increases) make that more possible.

Well ive had it all explainex to my by my gw store manager and at first i thought gw would do all heresy stuff in plastic. But genric amour and the legion specfic amour bits being sold in gw would be a good replace ment for lotr and hobbit.

I am loving the current 40k rumours floating around at the moment. It seems like forever since there has been anything remotely interesting come out of GW proper. In fact, I think the release of Space Hulk back in 2009(?) was the last time I got excited about something!

Now with the suggestion of some Ad-Mech and pretty new Marine armour I think that it may have sparked my interest in the whole 40k universe once more. Very exciting stuff!

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

Or maybe a new IG style of figure that can be used for both 30K and 40K, perhaps as Yodrin suggests, greatcoat infantry with optional heads for shako, bearskin and Valhallens. Plenty of possibilities for greatcoat infantry.

T

Honestly?

I think people would do better to look at the Solar Auxilia and the Scions to get an idea as to what GW might consider for Imperial Army.

I would absolutely love if gw came out with their own plastic hh sets, i have been scratching around for alternatives to fw for ages now. unfortunately i don't think gw will go ahead with it as they will probably just cop out. i hope they do go ahead and if so i will be buying stacks of them primarily for armour swapping as i am frustrated with the lack of variation in the tactical squad box

timd wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Or maybe the Imperial Militia will look a surprising lot like Cadians or Catachans all of the sudden?

Or maybe a new IG style of figure that can be used for both 30K and 40K, perhaps as Yodrin suggests, greatcoat infantry with optional heads for shako, bearskin and Valhallens. Plenty of possibilities for greatcoat infantry.

T

Oh man, are we speculating that GW might make Heresy era Guard in greatcoats? Why don't we suggest also that they'll be flown into battle on a plastic Thunderhawk along with their allies, the fabled plastic Sisters of Battle.

Leers just have a wish-list buffet here!

-C6

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

Doesn't really seem to make much sense, considering they already produce two lines of ridiculously expensive Imperial Guard, unless the sales of those lines hasn't performed up to expectation I guess.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Interestingly enough, back when Forge World started doing the Solar Auxilia?

Forge World was adamant that they were not going to do any Imperial Army's basic troops because of the "buy-in cost that would be associated with an Imperial Army force". Things like the Solar Auxilia were still on the table as Forge World considered it more practical to have "elite variations".

Doesn't really seem to make much sense, considering they already produce two lines of ridiculously expensive Imperial Guard, unless the sales of those lines hasn't performed up to expectation I guess.

Actually it makes perfect sense. The Death Korps and Elysians are very much a labor of love. If the molds go down, it takes them a long time to ensure that everything is up to snuff for the next mold run.

The same reasoning was given as to why Warhammer Forge did not release Hobgoblins for the Chaos Dwarfs.

They could bring back the squats, they hadn't been eaten at that point.

Squats are not coming back ever.

i really want some plastic 30k, at the moment i am scavenging around and rounding up some mark 5 armour from the tactical squads (i know they aren't 30K but i still like them) i also think they should do armour upgrade kits for instance for mk4 you could have a set which includes 5 mark4 heads, 10 mark4 shoulder pads, any needed leg upgrades, 5 mark4 torsos and arms along with another set which includes all the necessary weapons and back packs

plastic 30k, or FW style plastic guardsmen, or only jussst behind plastic sisters on my (shut up and take my money already) list....

hope this rumour is true

I cannot tell you how much i hope the rumour is true

 the clone wrote:
i really want some plastic 30k, at the moment i am scavenging around and rounding up some mark 5 armour from the tactical squads (i know they aren't 30K but i still like them) i also think they should do armour upgrade kits for instance for mk4 you could have a set which includes 5 mark4 heads, 10 mark4 shoulder pads, any needed leg upgrades, 5 mark4 torsos and arms along with another set which includes all the necessary weapons and back packs

Err Mk V is "Heresy" pattern armour. Not really used til later in the Heresy but still very much 30K era stuff. The Mk VI Corvus (the bits you get in tac squads) I think was just about 30K era and dubbed that in honour of Corax IIRC


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 Laemos wrote:
Squats are not coming back ever.

The only way I could see that happening, is if they were included in the Imperial Army/Solar Auxilia stuff. Which doesn't seem likely.

The great thing is, we don't really need to wait for GW to release Squats any more!



I think the Forge Fathers are pretty much what GW would do if they released Squats again in the modern era, minus a giant plastic kit of a tank thing with lots of guns and skulls on it that costs £90

There are a number of rule sets out there for using these in 40k, and of course Warpath is going to have a big Kickstarter at some point in the not-too-distant future.

Hmm...not so sure about that one...I mean...

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...not so sure about that one...I mean...

Spoiler:

http://ironsleet.com/2015/01/17/the-brotherhood-of-steel-story-so-far/

Counts as sisters....

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...not so sure about that one...I mean...

Spoiler:

http://ironsleet.com/2015/01/17/the-brotherhood-of-steel-story-so-far/

Those are amazing!

Although, think they are much better than anything GW would do as an official release, should they ever re-visit the dwarf in space line (which I think is extremely unlikely at this point).

Think that if you want to get stock 'Dwarves in Space', either Mantic of Bob Olley's Scrunts are the way to go.

Looks like a Space Marine armylist to me...

soooo more Space Marines - awesome

I have more than enough Astartes - so many other cool stuff to do in the 30 or 40k universe and we get more Marines............. Least FW ones looked interesting.

I dont think i will hurt FW. china forge is cheaper and doesnt hurt FW, GW has come out with models that were first started with FW and it hasnt hurt FW.

plus FW is GW and GW is FW. this will make getting into the game easier and buy other items like contemptors and Sicarans and Jetbikes.

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
I dont think i will hurt FW. china forge is cheaper and doesnt hurt FW, GW has come out with models that were first started with FW and it hasnt hurt FW.

plus FW is GW and GW is FW. this will make getting into the game easier and buy other items like contemptors and Sicarans and Jetbikes.

now that you mention it, if priced right would stop as many sales from going to China forge.

If this happens I'd buy into it I reckon.

Although I thought Sisters are rumoured for May?

Either way, the life force of my wallet will flow.

D

No, AdMech is rumored for April/May

Who are these "sisters" you speak of. Sisters of Sigmar?

 Lockark wrote:

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
I dont think i will hurt FW. china forge is cheaper and doesnt hurt FW, GW has come out with models that were first started with FW and it hasnt hurt FW.

plus FW is GW and GW is FW. this will make getting into the game easier and buy other items like contemptors and Sicarans and Jetbikes.

now that you mention it, if priced right would stop as many sales from going to China forge.

I may be wrong, but I really think this was part of their thinking.

 Accolade wrote:
Who are these "sisters" you speak of. Sisters of Sigmar?

Sisters of battle.

Right over his head.........

Nothing goes over my head! My reflexes are to fast! I would catch it!

Another hoping this rumors are true

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...not so sure about that one...I mean...

Spoiler:

http://ironsleet.com/2015/01/17/the-brotherhood-of-steel-story-so-far/

Now thinking about it there is a total lack of abhumans in the 30K novels, as far as i can remember only Ogres have been mentioned.
No Halflings or Squats or even Imperial beastmen which were used in the early fluff.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Now thinking about it there is a total lack of abhumans in the 30K novels, as far as i can remember only Ogres have been mentioned.
No Halflings or Squats or even Imperial beastmen which were used in the early fluff.

Retcon...

T

 Jehan-reznor wrote:


Now thinking about it there is a total lack of abhumans in the 30K novels, as far as i can remember only Ogres have been mentioned.
No Halflings or Squats or even Imperial beastmen which were used in the early fluff.

Easy explanation for that would be that abhumans were less tolerated in 30K so they aren't present in any official capacity. I know a few marine chapters still don't tolerate them, namely the Dark Angels.

Interestingly Demiurg were part of an Alpha Legion short story.

What Alpha Legion story, and what was said about the Demiurg?

timd wrote:


Retcon...

T

Not really, given that Rogue Trader, etc.. wasn't a "30K"-setting. It had Calgar with 4 bionic limbs as ex-Tyranid slave, Macragge as giant desert planet full of sand-shrimp and Inquisitors in skin-tight body armour along with Imperial Beastman, Squats and all the rest, firmly set in the 41st Millenium.

The retcon is FW (selectively) palming off Rogue Trader retro-designs like Deimos Patterns, old-shool Land Raiders, etc... as allegedly "30K", which wasn't originally the case.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...not so sure about that one...I mean...

Spoiler:

http://ironsleet.com/2015/01/17/the-brotherhood-of-steel-story-so-far/

Now thinking about it there is a total lack of abhumans in the 30K novels, as far as i can remember only Ogres have been mentioned.
No Halflings or Squats or even Imperial beastmen which were used in the early fluff.

Can't really use rogue trader fluff for anything as it was from a drastically different time period in terms of writing. Anmost stuff pre 2nd ed is fairly irrelevant at this point. Back then 40k was just an add on for fantasy

I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

I seem to remember it being several pages, with it's own warband rules and mutation tables. However that could be the other volume.

 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

It was also invented to justify the first edition of Epic (Space Marine). GW didn't have the resources to produce miniatures for multiple races, so they'd needed a Space Marine vs. Space Marine conflict to justify only having to produce a single range of miniatures. Hence the Horus Heresy was born...

 Malika2 wrote:
What Alpha Legion story, and what was said about the Demiurg?

"The Serpent Beneath" which is the last story in "The Primarchs" anthology. I really liked it and it's a must read if you want a better understanding of how the Alpha Legion operates.

As for the Demiurg:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 the clone wrote:
i really want some plastic 30k, at the moment i am scavenging around and rounding up some mark 5 armour from the tactical squads (i know they aren't 30K but i still like them) i also think they should do armour upgrade kits for instance for mk4 you could have a set which includes 5 mark4 heads, 10 mark4 shoulder pads, any needed leg upgrades, 5 mark4 torsos and arms along with another set which includes all the necessary weapons and back packs

Err Mk V is "Heresy" pattern armour. Not really used til later in the Heresy but still very much 30K era stuff. The Mk VI Corvus (the bits you get in tac squads) I think was just about 30K era and dubbed that in honour of Corax IIRC


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 Laemos wrote:
Squats are not coming back ever.

The only way I could see that happening, is if they were included in the Imperial Army/Solar Auxilia stuff. Which doesn't seem likely.

sorry my bad, i meant mk 6 which isnt really 30k

Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

 Perkustin wrote:

 bubber wrote:
I learned from the 1st HH weekender that the HH storey was basically 1 paragraph to fill a hole in the Slaves to Darkness book....

I seem to remember it being several pages, with it's own warband rules and mutation tables. However that could be the other volume.

It was a 1 line fluff quote in the first Chapter Approved book, then expanded in Adeptus Titanicus and the 2 Chaos books.

Adeptus Titanicus used it because a civil war type game let them use the same plastic models for both sides and saved on production costs!

 Accolade wrote:
Who are these "sisters" you speak of. Sisters of Sigmar?

I own a small warband of those. Wouldn't mind seeing those wimple wearing women in plastic.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

If this is true, I may have to buy about 4 boxes of these, So, each side has all of that? That would mean each box had 40 marines, 10 terminators, 2 contemptors, and 2 praetors.

I just hope these sculpts don't suck, #dontscrewupGW

Praying the rumour is totally not true. Really enjoying the HH books but have really no interest in the 30k era models. A couple of the tanks are pretty tidy and the contemptor dreads are certainly nicer than the 40k boxes of grump. 30k armour though - no thx; so much prefer the mkVII/VIII SM armour. I really would prefer to GW to shelve the 30k stuff, leave it up to FW and refocus on getting the 40k stuff sorted out. The sisters (not much of a fan) derserve to be finally done, plastic aspect warriors warriors bcs seriuosly screw wasting money on shitecast models of decade old sculpts. CSM...'bout time they had a decent treatment n'all. The list is endless.
30k plastics.....meh, not for me, my wallet breathes a sigh of much neede relief

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just saw this on Spikey Bits:

This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.

I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!

via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015

Horus Heresy Starter Set

2 sides, Identically Equipped

Models are NOT legion marked.

Generic Heresy-era models.



– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20

– Cataphractii Terminators x5

– Contemptor Dreadnought x1

– Praetor x1



These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.

via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015

-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k
-A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues

I would be so tempted to buy a box for myself. Half of it could be converted into reinforcements for my ever-growing CSM army, while the other half would be a refreshing new small force for me to play. Might serve as allies for my eventual Mechanicum army that I'll undoubtedly start once I have the funds.

I'm hoping that the cost for these will be reasonably accessible, if the rumour is true. If their intentions are to get more people into 30k, which we know isn't cheap, then they would do well to give us an excellent deal on this.

 Januine wrote:
Praying the rumour is totally not true. Really enjoying the HH books but have really no interest in the 30k era models. A couple of the tanks are pretty tidy and the contemptor dreads are certainly nicer than the 40k boxes of grump. 30k armour though - no thx; so much prefer the mkVII/VIII SM armour. I really would prefer to GW to shelve the 30k stuff, leave it up to FW and refocus on getting the 40k stuff sorted out. The sisters (not much of a fan) derserve to be finally done, plastic aspect warriors warriors bcs seriuosly screw wasting money on shitecast models of decade old sculpts. CSM...'bout time they had a decent treatment n'all. The list is endless.
30k plastics.....meh, not for me, my wallet breathes a sigh of much neede relief

Yep, really hope that this box is a one and done thing. There is so much thing that need time and love in 40k, that it would be ridiculous to waste more ressources on yet another kind of SM

That box sounds way too good to be true. What would they charge for that?

I can't imagine GW cannibalizing the sales of their Forgeworld models this badly. It's one thing to release a formerly resin kit in plastic, another to start trying to convert an entire game over. I have a hard time buying this one.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I can't imagine GW cannibalizing the sales of their Forgeworld models this badly. It's one thing to release a formerly resin kit in plastic, another to start trying to convert an entire game over. I have a hard time buying this one.

You kidding? This box is the perfect Gateway Drug to Forgeworld.

Let GW make the most common kits (space marines, dreadnoughts, etc) in plastic so that it frees up production space for Forgeworld.

Let GW make those kits available in their stores to introduce 30k to the masses... which includes not JUST the FW models, but also all the Black Library books, two birds with one stone.

Let GW make their own rules for a marine-on-marine game for 30k that may even share most of the rules of 30k as FW does it, and have it be on a smaller scale or something, with the bigger scale being Forgeworld.

Then, let GW sell FW stuff in stores, expanding on an already successful line.

It's the best decision they could make, actually, and there'd be no cannibalization at all.

 Eldarain wrote:
That box sounds way too good to be true. What would they charge for that?

I'd guess $120 to $140. Dark Vengeance marines were 10 PA troops, 5 terminators, 3 bikes, and 2 characters. CSM got 20 cultists, 5 PA troops, a character, and a dread. total, 35 infantry, 5 terminators, 3 characters, 3 bikes, and a dread. Heresy box rumor is 40 PA troops, 10 terminators, 2 dreads, and 2 characters. Call the bikes the same as a dread, and DV is short only 5 PA troops and 5 terminators, but since they are duplicates, they could just do 2 large sprues and double them.

IF true, I will preorder 2 from my FLGS at a minimum. convert 1 box into the core of a Heresy era IF force, and mix the other box into my 40K marines.

If that contents list is actually true, I might even go for 3 boxes, split some over with friends and mix the rest up nicely with my Scorpions. Might even be tempted to start a HH army then. Let's first see what comes of it all though, I'm a bit sceptical still, really does sound to good to be true.

I would be perfectly happy if these x20 "Early Mark Marines" turn out to be 4 of each mark. I wouldn't mind that rumor to be true. I'd consider going in on a box. Having some Marines with clean, Aquila-free, purity seal-free, skull-free armor would be wonderful. Then I could have some proper Reasonable Marines.

This is the most wish-listy sounding rumor ever.

Pardon me if I raise a skeptical eyebrow at this. 50 generic infantry plus two characters and two Contemptors, all boxed up and plastic? O_o

Of course, people thinking a boxed set with that many models wouldn't end up north of $350 is fooling themselves. That's basically twice as many models as Warriors of the Fang ($170) or Blood Rain Strike Force ($267). Even if they were DV style snapfits, still north of $200.

A discounted boxed set of Horus Heresy figures would not only undercut FW sales, it would be ridiculously outside the GW business model. I mean, if they were actually generic, it's not two armies. It's one giant box of "Hey, here's 60% of a Horus Heresy army." Especially if an enterprising modeler can swap the weapons out.

Whatever this Heresy kit in May ends up being, this rumor is a fantasy, lol. A Horus Heresy kit (or self-contained game) is believable. A vastly discounted miracle box is not.

GW specifically replaced the AoBR marines with ones covered in iconography just to stop the starter box being a cheap alternative for army builders. Why would they go back on that now and make generic cheap troops to undercut their own Forgeworld line? Seems a bit optimistic to me.

Maybe they are desperate for sales and further growth? So a miracle box which if the actual contents turns out to be anywhere near as good as this will sell like hotcakes and act as a solid foundation for a new third system justifying the risks of such a project which can then hit the ground running and if they follow through with the making forgeworld available direct from stores that's where I would imagine the real money is.

Most of their main range is direct only, I doubt specialist stuff like Forgeworld is going to end up in shops. They're increasingly making their products novice friendly by making everything in plastic and cutting out the finecast . Now they'll introduce Forgeworld into stores? Doesn't fit the pattern, it's really not a product for high street shops because your average high street shopper doesn't appreciate how to handle and model the material. GW customers are getting used to plastic kits that fall together with minimal work.

I don't think undercutting FW is a real concern here given that they're going to make more in selling plastic HH stuff than they would selling the same stuff in resin from FW.

I hope people are remembering that this rumoured box set is also meant to be 'limited' at least to some extent,

and while the rumour suggested this was going to be on a time basis (6 months ish?) I could easily see it GW producing what they think is 6 months supply which will sell out on day 1...

Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

The comparisons with Epic's 1st Edition make sense but I think GW will use this chance to produce lots of different and amazing miniatures like they did with the latest sets. The production is entirely in-house nowadays and not like the Fighting Fantasy and RTB01 plastics in the late 80s when they had ex-matchbox staff doing the plastics for them

GW has upped the ante with Black Reach -> Space Hulk -> Dark Vengeance and there is a good chance the next major boxed game release will be of even better quality

drbored wrote:

You kidding? This box is the perfect Gateway Drug to Forgeworld.

It would be, if handled correctly.

So what I can see happening is a new Space Hulk but set in 30k. Stand-alone box in a one-off run. The game will be brilliant and the mini's will be great, but after launch day it'll be hellish to get hold of and the advantages of plastic wasted. They won't then follow it up with more public 30K support, so it'll do little for FW's bottom line.

I can see it being the 50 marines + 2 characters + 2 dreadnaughts, but the price will be eye watering because "limited edition" and "Horus Heresy". It'll easily be £90/$150.

Hastings said GW plans to release the HH board game miniatures separately after the game sold out/is discontinued

Sounds to good to be true.

If the price isn't eye bleeding expensive, and they aren't terribly sculpted snap together so or are multipart kits, I'll buy 2. 20 cataphractii to mix into my terminators/strike force ultra/unbound UM first company sounds great to me.

Yep if true (obviously taking into account a vast salt pile) I can see myself picking up half a dozen or so.

It may not be so far fetched, it'd be a heck of a gateway drug into forgeworld legion specific bits.

30k Space Crusade then?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

The comparisons with Epic's 1st Edition make sense but I think GW will use this chance to produce lots of different and amazing miniatures like they did with the latest sets. The production is entirely in-house nowadays and not like the Fighting Fantasy and RTB01 plastics in the late 80s when they had ex-matchbox staff doing the plastics for them

GW has upped the ante with Black Reach -> Space Hulk -> Dark Vengeance and there is a good chance the next major boxed game release will be of even better quality

+ 1 to this

Also, just to add, LoWG said no HH in May and they are way more reliable than BoLS-

Lords of War Gaming
16 February at 18:56 ·

Plastic HH marks of armor in May? You're way off!

I'm thinking the assasins boxed game will drop in may if anything does, but thats just my wild speculation lol

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I hope people are remembering that this rumoured box set is also meant to be 'limited' at least to some extent,

and while the rumour suggested this was going to be on a time basis (6 months ish?) I could easily see it GW producing what they think is 6 months supply which will sell out on day 1...

Limited game release followed by the models being sold normally for people looking for alternative Marines was the rumor IIRC.

The way I read the rumour, and judging from the force description, it sounds much more like a "one box per player" type of deal. I'm really having a hard time seeing 2 contemptors with all of the other infantry in there as well not sell for 200$.

Wasn't there also a rumour saying that individual components being a general release after the box set sells out?

That is apparently the plan,

but at that point we'll be looking at normal GW prices

So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out. The only possible explanation for GW's antics the past several years is they're horribly afraid of actually making money.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Steve the Warboss is 50/50 hit and miss. His box contents rumors have often been wrong when predicting products that far away. I would be very careful with his rumors, he does not seem to have good sources at GW like others do (based on Pretre's tracker).

Voices in the Trees is one of the BOLS rumor mongers... They are as reliable as someone making stuff up...

We got from Hastings and Sad Panda the HH set is going to be a standalone board game - which is played on 2D tiles according to Panda. Both are a lot more reliable than StW and BOLS. Hastings said the HH miniatures can be used for 30k/40k but they are designed for a board game first and foremost... So probably no vehicles, maybe a walker. And a few character models

My name is gorgon, and and I approve this message.

Some folks on the Heresy 30K board seem to be very worried about "GW taking over HH" because of the rumors from clickbait sites. I don't think some of them have the perspective to know the difference between those places and guys like Harry, Hastings, Sad Panda, etc. While pretre's rumor tracking thread is innately a flawed and imprecise instrument, it really does help put certain things into perspective.

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

Yep, that's what I'm thinking too.

A terminator squad and a Contemptor dread are fairly similar in points, so I imagine it's probably one of each in the box rather than two, plus two 20 man squads of marines and 2 praetors.That would seem to make more sense compared to other box sets. I'd consider getting two boxes plus a couple of nice FW tanks to make a quick HH force.

If, and it's a big if of course, those contents are true then put me down for one right now. Plastic 30k Power Armour? Cool, and cheaper than FW. Plastic Contemptor? Oh God yes! Been wanting one for an age. Plastic Cataphractii Terminators!? Take my money, take it now, and gimme!

Sadly, my 2 favourite-but-too-expensive Forge World units being plasticised sounds too good to be true, so quite possibly is...

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And then watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out.

The stand-alone game is supposed to be a limited release for six months, but the models will be available after that. Unless you need a special board that means you should be able to still get into it as long as someone has the rules (not to mention selling plastic kits of different Power Armor types is a good way to print money if the resin sales are anything to go by).

And besides, it'll probably drive up the sale of Legion-specific bits. Because it's much easier to rationalize a few dollars for extra bling than... how much for a single squad of FW resin if full equipped? 170USD?

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

I'd lean more towards budget Zone Mortalis, maybe using the Space Hulk tiles with new skins?

 gorgon wrote:

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

Yep, that's what I'm thinking too.

Exactly, this is what the reliable sources are telling us. A board game like SC/SH/Advanced Space Crusade/Tyranid Attack but featuring the HH storyline. Hastings mentioned the game will take part in the early days of the Heresy or maybe even before it.

It will have its own rule set which differs so much from 30k/40k that the miniature boxes released after the game will come with rules in the construction manual for this system too (Source: Hastings). So like today's Daemons of Chaos miniatures with WFB+40k stats, the manual in the HH miniature boxes has the Warhammer 30k unit stats/rules and also those for the HH Board Game so you can use the miniatures for both. The scale is going to be 28mm.

Hastings also mentioned we could get sequel games and other products. He pointed out the possibility of Xeno involvement in the future and that this is going to be kind of its own product line. A gateway game like Space Crusade - if you will - to the FW HH products. The miniatures will be cross-compatible according to Sad Panda and FW can probably earn a lot by selling tons of add-on parts and the 'real stuff'.

Win-Win

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
So assuming this is as rumored, and it's basically Space Hulk/Space Crusade as a stand alone box with 28mm plastic 30k marines in it, then the blind squirrel that is GW may have finally found a nut. And then watch them ruin it by making it limited release.

For anyone who's seen my posts, I'm pretty virulently anti-GW at this point, and even I would buy this to play as a stand-alone game. But I won't be able to if they won't freaking print enough of them and keep them up for sale for longer than the several hours this will take to sell out.

The stand-alone game is supposed to be a limited release for six months, but the models will be available after that. Unless you need a special board that means you should be able to still get into it as long as someone has the rules (not to mention selling plastic kits of different Power Armor types is a good way to print money if the resin sales are anything to go by).

"As long as someone has the rules" = as long as I have the rules. I would be the only guy in my group of friends to buy something like this. And I don't want to be forced to do it under duress either (i.e. in a very narrow time window at an odd hour in a rush in case it sells out, as GW seems to do their under-stocked limited releases). Call me crazy but I want a chance to see what I'm buying and hear what other people think of it before I spend a ton of money on a board game.

I don't play 40k anymore, and I don't want to. The models are worthless to me otherwise - I want the game. Hopefully GW are smart enough to make sufficient copies, so that people who want it can actually buy it. Given their track record I don't know if that is assured at all.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Exactly, this is what the reliable sources are telling us. A board game like SC/SH/Advanced Space Crusade/Tyranid Attack but featuring the HH storyline. Hastings mentioned the game will take part in the early days of the Heresy or maybe even before it.

Hastings only said it was a board game. He never said if it was based on new or old mechanics.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings also mentioned we could get sequel games and other products. He pointed out the possibility of Xeno involvement in the future and that this is going to be kind of its own product line.

I don't recall that being presented as a certainty, so it could have just been his speculation.


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
(i.e. in a very narrow time window at an odd hour in a rush in case it sells out, as GW seems to do their under-stocked limited releases).

According to Hastings it's supposed to be a six month release run, which hardly puts it in such a limited time to worry about missing out. If they're going to support it for that long I don't see a reason to panic about them selling out on day 1 like they do when Space Hulk re-releases.

Daston wrote:
30k Space Crusade then?

I wouldn't mind if it is space crusade with updated miniatures.

Okay, this is what he (and others) wrote on Warseer

Originally Posted by my_name_is_tudor

More Horus Heresy stuff? How dull. They've already done that.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Oh no they haven't

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Think outside the box a little.......... or maybe inside the box

Originally Posted by BasetheRuin

As in think inside the brand new 30k starter box?

I'll have to start saving money then!

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

Originally Posted by my_name_is_tudor

Personally I don't think there's any version of a 30K game that could get me particularly excited, given my assumption that it would focus on the good marines/bad marines bust up and not all the other interesting stuff the Galaxy has to offer...

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

well maybe not initially

Originally Posted by 75hastings69

To end SOME speculation I'll say it's not a different scale. And I'll add that this whilst initially being a standalone product is only the beginning

Oh, and just for the record AFAIK there's no 40k end times. 40k remains as is.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Yes indeed, but let's take it a bit further. Let's imagine creating a standalone game, which is only available for say 6 months, BUT then we'll make the models from it available as individual box sets for something we are definitely going to support, something that might take up empty shelf space in stores. Lets ALSO then imagine we then release another standalone game, again limited to so many months, then we make the models from that set available for another range we support.

Obviously I'm just speculating here.... right

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
and so shall I.

Right guys there are several separate rumours that folks are getting mixed up. So I'll at least split it up a little for you. THIS IS NOT RELEASE ORDER, just to help separate the rumours. IT ALSO ISN'T A FULL LIST OF THIS YEARS 40K RELEASES, in fact some of these may be early next year. NONE OF THESE ARE WFB BASED.

Admech Codex & models (full release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Codex & Models (Harlequin sized release)
***** Standalone Boxed "historical game" models from which will form part of "a full range" (notice I didn't say existing range )
***** Standalone Boxed Game models from which will form part of an existing range

I haven't heard anything about mark 9 armour so don't associate it with any of the above.
Speculate away

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
No. It's HH as stated above.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. BOTH new standalone games will have their model contents released. The first being HH, will see models released as part of the 30k range. The 2nd boxed game models will be released as part of 40k range, part that is currently only available in finecast and not deathwatch before anyone says it again.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Totally (well not totally actually) unrelated I did hear that actual CODEXes? (CODices?) god know s the plural, might soon be a thing of the past. with all rules being in box leaflets. Some might even contain 2 sets of rules, one for 40k and one for 30k But I'm not 100% on this.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
This is partially true. The "starter set" is in fact a standalone game, however I'll accept starter set as it does lead onto the main 30k game. I think it's safe to assume that 30k could/will have a different game mechanic to 40k, or it would be pretty pointless as a standalone game. Hence the reason that some boxes will contain rules for both 30 & 40k (if the rules weren't different they'd only include 1 set of rules.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
As I previously said I am lead to believe it will be a main range (30k) and will take up the shelf space from lotr/hobbit. I think continued support is pretty much a given.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
Don't forget once this standalone box is off the shelves/website the contents (models) will for boxes for the main range. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were in a similar fashion to the recent Deathstorm components.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
I'm almost 100% certain it will not use the same rules as 40k, if it did it would be pointless as a standalone game, and pointless providing in box rules for 30k & 40k. That's what I think anyway.

Originally Posted by Loyalist87
Admech will come mid April to mid May, so we have a Release slot for the Horus Heresy Box set and some more content at the end of the month.

Let's say I know someone...

At the moment I can say that the release will probably be directly after Admech, but I'm careful with schedules. The date of the releases may change at any time.

Sad Panda

Kalashnichris wrote:
What are they meaning by "standalone" game. Like a space hulk kind of deal?

Miniatures are not snap fit, but the game(s) in the box(es) is(are) definitely more board-game-ish, played on 2D card-board tiles.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/637550.page#7631088



Edit: Two confusing quotes about other products like the upcoming codex books removed

I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

Edit: Added to the above post

I hope its a board game, I read yesterday something about rules for HH and xenos and I almost threw a fit.

if they cant get 40k right, why would you include xenos in HH

Not with the Space Crusade rules but a gateway game like SC was to the original 40k

CWZ, yes it is not certain and Hastings is speculating quite a bit. Good point

Warhams-77 wrote:
Not with the Space Crusade rules but a gateway game like SC was to the original 40k

CWZ, yes it is not certain and Hastings is speculating quite a bit. Good point

When in doubt, don't get excited:

It's a stand-alone board game - there is that. Can be good, can be gak, at least the minis will be more useful than the Dreadfleet ones

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

That is probably the most evidence based advice given so far in the thread.

If the models are ace, it will sell like hotcakes.

They could release a game along the lines of fighting through Horus' ship. That could be a Marine vs Marine Space Crusade type thing and would not tread on the toes of their main games.

 warboss wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I wouldn't assume Space Crusade. Remember Dreadfleet? Everyone expected Man O' War and got something else instead.

Keep expectations low.

That is probably the most evidence based advice given so far in the thread.

I have my moments.

Looking at the rumoured contents of the box set I can say for certainty that it is far too smart a move for GW. I mean, c'mon, it's everything I ever wanted all neatly boxed up!

If this is true GW will be getting a lot of money off of me in May. Ad-mech and HH minis in one month

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
If this is true GW will be getting a lot of money off of me in May. Ad-mech and HH minis in one month

People should listen to Lords of Wargaming regarding the timing, and I don't think May was part of the original Harry & Hastings rumor.

Not sure who added "May" to the rumor, but that is wrong. I am not even sure if a release-date has been set, but I'd guess 6+ months easily. Some of the other things briefly mentioned by H&H are positively mid-2016 at best.

LoWG did shoot down May as a Heresy game release as well.

For those in the know, what is the difference between 30k and 40k?

As for a boxed set, that is highly unlikely. At the same time, releasing a box set like that at a reasonable price reflects GW's primary competitive advantage: GW has the talent and size to release high quality plastics at a lower price than any opposition.

So a box set of Marines would be something which no other game company could match.

30k has lost tech, different squad organization and a different flavor.

Oh, and the Marines don't have ATSKNF.

Am I the only person that doesn't get the massive excitement over this?

- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.
- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue.
- Hasn't the 'cool' period for Pre-Heresy long since passed? It had such a buzz 5-6 years ago when a load of imaginative modellers started splicing up plastic kits and 3rd party parts on those enigmatic TCG pictures. Now, the books have been going on so long that I half expect the story to end with The Emperor and Horus rolling around fighting on a desert island, Horus turns into some kind of angry black cloud and then it turns out they were dead all along. The 'limited edition' hardbacks, wrapped in leather made from Chinese people or whatever, are so expensive that the fact that they can be sold at all can be used single-handedly as an argument that the global recession has ended.

I feel just like when Armageddon was first released and the general comment was "OMFG HOW INCREDIBLE OMG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE", as though our understand of the physical laws of reality and been re-written, and no-one actually seemed to be see was that all GW had done was tell everyone to do what I had been doing since about the age of 9 - "put all of your miniatures down on the table at once, the points system is only there for guidance" OMG I can feel reality rending in half. What a joke.

Honestly, I think it shows how flat releases have been over previous years that something like this can get hearts all aflutter.

So the current rumors for 2015 releases are a lineup of:

1) End Times Khorne (Nex weeks in March)
2) AdMech: (Mid April to May)
3) HH Boxed Set (After middle of May)

Is that the general consensus?

If this pans out to be true, they are gonna make a LOT of money.

I wonder what is planned for between the Khorne releases and AdMech. Any solid rumors??

The excitement is largely in the easier availability of plastics through your local hobby shop mixed with the fact that GW taking over the core of the casting from FW means other things can get focus.

Also, no the buzz of excitement hasn't worn off. FW is only halfway through the series and we have plenty more to see in the series. There is also room to supplement some of the codexes (Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar, maybe IG to represent PDFs the Marines fought against to bring planets into the Imperium) with Heresy era supplements or alternate lists to allow you to play some Crusade era battles.

There is plenty of cow left to milk on this still.

 Pacific wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't get the massive excitement over this?

- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.
- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue.
- Hasn't the 'cool' period for Pre-Heresy long since passed? It had such a buzz 5-6 years ago when a load of imaginative modellers started splicing up plastic kits and 3rd party parts on those enigmatic TCG pictures. Now, the books have been going on so long that I half expect the story to end with The Emperor and Horus rolling around fighting on a desert island, Horus turns into some kind of angry black cloud and then it turns out they were dead all along. The 'limited edition' hardbacks, wrapped in leather made from Chinese people or whatever, are so expensive that the fact that they can be sold at all can be used single-handedly as an argument that the global recession has ended.

I feel just like when Armageddon was first released and the general comment was "OMFG HOW INCREDIBLE OMG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE", as though our understand of the physical laws of reality and been re-written, and no-one actually seemed to be see was that all GW had done was tell everyone to do what I had been doing since about the age of 9 - "put all of your miniatures down on the table at once, the points system is only there for guidance" OMG I can feel reality rending in half. What a joke.

Honestly, I think it shows how flat releases have been over previous years that something like this can get hearts all aflutter.

Right there with ya, man.
I think the excitement is for people having difficulty acquiring FW products stateside due to the prohibitively high shipping costs. You're right- the FW resin models aren't significantly more expensive than plastic stuff, but throwing a $30-50 extra charge for shipping sucks. Not everyone is going to drop near $400 to qualify for free shipping.

Additionally, now FLGS retailers will have it; not even they carried the FW stuff unless they paid cost and then marked it up.

For me, I'm lukewarm about this: I already own a lot of FW stuff, and actually prefer working with the resin they produce. Aesthetically, a lot of the line Marine units aren't anything special. I prefer the HH era tanks and Primarchs.

Full disclosure: I have bought every HH big book. They are awesome. Disposable income is cool.

 Pacific wrote:
- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.

Except a basic 10 man tactical squad is $40 from GW and is nearly $90 from FW for a Heresy era unit. The basic 5-man squad from FW doesn't include any weapons for the unit either. That's a pretty significant price difference.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
So the current rumors for 2015 releases are a lineup of:

1) End Times Khorne (Nex weeks in March)
2) AdMech: (Mid April to May)
3) HH Boxed Set (After middle of May)

Is that the general consensus?

If this pans out to be true, they are gonna make a LOT of money.

I wonder what is planned for between the Khorne releases and AdMech. Any solid rumors??

HH Box set has been said to NOT be a May release by both Lords of Wargaming and Hastings. We need to stop saying May for it's release already.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
HH Box set has been said to NOT be a May release by both Lords of Wargaming and Hastings. We need to stop saying May for it's release already.

So... end of May then?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
HH Box set has been said to NOT be a May release by both Lords of Wargaming and Hastings. We need to stop saying May for it's release already.

So... end of May then?

Easy there Seinfeld, we might not be able to contain our gut busting laughter after that one.

Seriously though, "not in May" keeps getting ignored for whatever source claimed May and I'm just getting tired of seeing it crawl from the grave it keeps being thrown into.

SadPanda already said this:

Sad Panda wrote:
People should listen to Lords of Wargaming regarding the timing, and I don't think May was part of the original Harry & Hastings rumor.

Not sure who added "May" to the rumor, but that is wrong. I am not even sure if a release-date has been set, but I'd guess 6+ months easily. Some of the other things briefly mentioned by H&H are positively mid-2016 at best.

So more likely to be August at the earliest (just in time for all the people coming back from summer holiday and the like). AKA about the right time for when GW does a lot of it's big releases.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.

Except a basic 10 man tactical squad is $40 from GW and is nearly $90 from FW for a Heresy era unit. The basic 5-man squad from FW doesn't include any weapons for the unit either. That's a pretty significant price difference.

Yep, more than double the cost is not a minor thing, and that's before shipping!
Further, the kit still has far fewer options that a plastic kit would likely have. Finally, by the time you figure in shipping costs and the ability to get around 20% off of regular GW product, you're looking at FW costing 3 times what a standard marine squad costs!

Even with the inevitable price bump for the new kit, you're still looking at a more than 50% savings over FW.

As for working with resin vs plastic, I mostly agree with you, but not working with a material whose dust is potentially hazardous is an issue not to be overlooked.

 Pacific wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't get the massive excitement over this?

- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.
- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue.
- Hasn't the 'cool' period for Pre-Heresy long since passed? It had such a buzz 5-6 years ago when a load of imaginative modellers started splicing up plastic kits and 3rd party parts on those enigmatic TCG pictures. Now, the books have been going on so long that I half expect the story to end with The Emperor and Horus rolling around fighting on a desert island, Horus turns into some kind of angry black cloud and then it turns out they were dead all along. The 'limited edition' hardbacks, wrapped in leather made from Chinese people or whatever, are so expensive that the fact that they can be sold at all can be used single-handedly as an argument that the global recession has ended.

I feel just like when Armageddon was first released and the general comment was "OMFG HOW INCREDIBLE OMG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE", as though our understand of the physical laws of reality and been re-written, and no-one actually seemed to be see was that all GW had done was tell everyone to do what I had been doing since about the age of 9 - "put all of your miniatures down on the table at once, the points system is only there for guidance" OMG I can feel reality rending in half. What a joke.

Honestly, I think it shows how flat releases have been over previous years that something like this can get hearts all aflutter.

I agree with all of that. Heresy. More space marines on space marines except with the smallest of cosmetic differences. Yawn. Ship sailed long ago.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.

Except a basic 10 man tactical squad is $40 from GW and is nearly $90 from FW for a Heresy era unit. The basic 5-man squad from FW doesn't include any weapons for the unit either. That's a pretty significant price difference.

Ah, in that case I certainly take that point back - hadn't realised the FW sets were that expensive!

 Pacific wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.

Except a basic 10 man tactical squad is $40 from GW and is nearly $90 from FW for a Heresy era unit. The basic 5-man squad from FW doesn't include any weapons for the unit either. That's a pretty significant price difference.

Ah, in that case I certainly take that point back - hadn't realised the FW sets were that expensive!

for a few years it was like 1.50 per pound, but now that the pound is back up to $2 it made forge world pretty expensive Once again. A plastic option is sorely missed by people who started fw armies when fw was cheaper thanks to a weak pound.

A lot of people who were starting hh armies around here have found themselves putting the breaks on that idea.

Personally I'd rather it just be marine on marine. The game plays more balanced when every army uses the same basic lists with mostly minor rule alterations to differentiate them. The moment they add xenos to make people happy moment there will be broke eldar/necron armies ruining the balance.

 Pacific wrote:
Am I the only person that doesn't get the massive excitement over this?

- The Pre-Heresy miniatures have been available for years now from Forgeworld and they're not significantly more expensive than GW plastics in most places. Newflash: These new miniatures are not going to significantly cheaper either, and the chances are they will be bumped up in price.
- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue.
- Hasn't the 'cool' period for Pre-Heresy long since passed? It had such a buzz 5-6 years ago when a load of imaginative modellers started splicing up plastic kits and 3rd party parts on those enigmatic TCG pictures. Now, the books have been going on so long that I half expect the story to end with The Emperor and Horus rolling around fighting on a desert island, Horus turns into some kind of angry black cloud and then it turns out they were dead all along. The 'limited edition' hardbacks, wrapped in leather made from Chinese people or whatever, are so expensive that the fact that they can be sold at all can be used single-handedly as an argument that the global recession has ended.

I feel just like when Armageddon was first released and the general comment was "OMFG HOW INCREDIBLE OMG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE", as though our understand of the physical laws of reality and been re-written, and no-one actually seemed to be see was that all GW had done was tell everyone to do what I had been doing since about the age of 9 - "put all of your miniatures down on the table at once, the points system is only there for guidance" OMG I can feel reality rending in half. What a joke.

Honestly, I think it shows how flat releases have been over previous years that something like this can get hearts all aflutter.

Sorry dude, I just had to LOL at this entire post. No offense but you must be a Xenos player.

30k is superior to 40k in nearly every way, and I sincerly hope that they don't start adding Xenos rules to the system. You can't rely on out Riptiding or out waveserpenting your opponent. 30k is a tactical game, because everyone for the most part has access to the same units and wargear. Sure the legions have some unique rules and a few unique special characters, but their own special rules don't break the game, because the other legions have rules of their own to balance things out. You can't just show up to a Heresy tournament with 5 Waveserpents or 15 wraiths and expect to place in the top 10.

As far as popularity, I will say this. The Horus Heresy Weekender which is in Nottingham England sold out within days of the tickets going on sale. 300 tickets gone in a matter of days. Hell last year I even flew across the Atlantic from Michigan to attend. Adepticon, the largest con in the US has been running Heresy events and their 1850 tournament has been getting bigger and bigger each year.

As far as the quality all I got is this...



The large expensive books are quite possibly the most incredible gaming resources I have ever seen. Background and fluff for multiple legions, as well as the Adeptus Mechanicus and Imperial Army. Rules for immaculate campaigns and dozens of special units and characters including primarchs. If you have a problem spending a little more on the full HH books, buy the Crusade army list Red book. Seriously its no more expensive that GW's assembly line codices. Pick up the Isstvan campaign book for the price of another codex and get the rules for dozens more named characters and units, along with the rules to run your own legion.

Seriously the Space Marine Codex and Sentinels of Terra was over 80 bucks, for a hundred bucks you get two books with close to 100 entries for basic units, super heavies, named characters, and special units. It is absolutely worth it.

If they were to come out with the basic armour marks 2-4 in plastic as well as basic contemptors and some Cataphractii the Horus Heresy would explode and Forgeworld would probably double their business. They could switch their production lines over from tons and tons of basic infantry to more special units, awesome vehicles and characters.

It makes perfect sense, because the most expensive component of a Horus heresy army is the front line troops, I know several guys who would start legion armies if they were a little cheaper.

As said above a ten man tactical squad in Mk III with bolters would be close to 90 bucks, its 40 for a ten man tactical in plastic. Oh yea in 30k you can have 20 man tactical squads.

Read Galaxy in Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein and you will understand why people love the Heresy.

valace2 wrote:
30k is superior to 40k in nearly every way, and I sincerly hope that they don't start adding Xenos rules to the system.

I disagree with this. The game could certainly benefit from adding in Crusade era Eldar, Dark Eldar and Orks (I mean who doesn't want HUGE Orks?), not to mention any other race they wanted to give a spotlight to (I know the game is human centric, but it doesn't stop me from wanting to see more aliens in the game. GW has shown us interesting ideas and I'm game for more).

valace2 wrote:
You can't rely on out Riptiding or out waveserpenting your opponent.

Tau don't exist in 30k. And the Wave Serpent is in need of fixing, but that doesn't mean the Eldar don't deserve a Supplement at least to let them get into the 30k spirit.

valace2 wrote:
30k is a tactical game, because everyone for the most part has access to the same units and wargear.

Mechanicum and Solar Auxilla are already breaking the mold (not to mention you can run an army of Titans and I'd argue the Knight codex fits into 30k just fine too), adding in a couple of the established Xeno races we know where around at the time won't hurt, at least as long as the rules are done correctly.

valace2 wrote:
Read Galaxy in Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein and you will understand why people love the Heresy.

ONLY read those two books or else you'll see why the novels aren't given that much respect.

Not trying to bag on them, I mean I love me some Crusade/Heresy era stuff but some of the books are AWFUL.

Horus Rising, False Gods, Betrayer, and the First heretic were all very good as well.

Having read some HH novels, and acknowledging this can be a matter of opinions, I will say in terms of quality they're hit and miss. Some pretty decent ones (nothing extraordinary) and some pretty awful others.

"- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue. "

Lost all credibility once you said this.

One of the problems with this hobby isn't the balance of Codexes, isn't the old or new miniatures, isn't the supplements that some races get and others don't..

No, it's people acting like they own the hobby and anyone that doesn't like it their way can get off the train.

Chill out. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything, and if other people get some happiness out of stuff that doesn't make you happy? You're just going to have to deal with that bub.

On that note, plastic is superior. Not only is it easier to work with for a wider range of hobbyists (from novice to expert) but it goes together faster and is cheaper for GW to produce in the long run. Not to mention plastic kits that GW makes are rife with options, whereas Forgeworld kits are very... what you see is what you get.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

valace2 wrote:
30k is a tactical game, because everyone for the most part has access to the same units and wargear.

Mechanicum and Solar Auxilla are already breaking the mold (not to mention you can run an army of Titans and I'd argue the Knight codex fits into 30k just fine too), adding in a couple of the established Xeno races we know where around at the time won't hurt, at least as long as the rules are done correctly.

The 40K Knight codex is unnecessary, as the Knight list in HH4: Conquest basically shows you what GW could have done if their design team had two braincells to rub together.

I wonder if the models in this box set will be usable in the Inquisition boxed game that came out last year?

Oh wait

 Brother SRM wrote:
I wonder if the models in this box set will be usable in the Inquisition boxed game that came out last year?

Oh wait

I think GWs head of marketing definitively stated that all imaginary boxed sets would be cross-compatible in his last pod-cast.

A board games with 30K blood angels against the aliens from murder would be cool .

But if it is a new board game i still would be interested in the mini's

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

valace2 wrote:
30k is a tactical game, because everyone for the most part has access to the same units and wargear.

Mechanicum and Solar Auxilla are already breaking the mold (not to mention you can run an army of Titans and I'd argue the Knight codex fits into 30k just fine too), adding in a couple of the established Xeno races we know where around at the time won't hurt, at least as long as the rules are done correctly.

The 40K Knight codex is unnecessary, as the Knight list in HH4: Conquest basically shows you what GW could have done if their design team had two braincells to rub together.

Good point about Conquest, ad hominen attacks aside. The Knight codex isn't bad, the only real issue I see with it is the Adamantium Lance formation. Could it have been better? Sure. But launching a new product line with an allies codex and a single kit (that FW both built off of and then later built their own different bodied variant of), but for the limited scope release it was I think it was done correctly. I look forward to the eventual update to the codex where they add more Knight variants, but for what it is (a codex that basically broke ground and eventually led to FW's variants), I'll take it.

Also "I don't like this" really isn't grounds for insulting the intellegence of others. I don't care if people don't like things, I just feel it's a step too far to insult people you just because you don't like things.


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 plastictrees wrote:
I think GWs head of marketing definitively stated that all imaginary boxed sets would be cross-compatible in his last pod-cast.

Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

 Pacific wrote:
- 'Plastic'? The word is heralded as though it's the panacea for everything. Honestly, if working with resin and converting is too much for you, switch to board games or lego. The only real advantage I can see to this is if you have a moral disagreement with superglue.

Plastic is superior because it is relatively rare to find warping, bubbles, or other production defects in the model. It also cuts, shaves, and files easier for cleaner conversion work. Resin shrinks at different rates when cooling in the mold, leading to inconsistent shape of the final product. This is why larger Forge World models have so much trouble fitting together properly. You may or may not like them but Glottkin, Thanquol, and those new Khorn Berserker models all fit together exactly as they're supposed to without needing a lot of work by the modeller. Show me a large FW model that does that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, friends don't let friends buy Storm Eagles.

As for glue, Testers master modeller cement is easier to work with than super glue which often requires an accelerant like Zip Kick to work. Depending on the resin (warmahordes' PVC stuff) it can have trouble holding even with an accelerant. Epoxy glue is often used for large resin models and that requires a lot of prep work with mixing, cups, stirring straws, etc. just for the glue alone. Compare that to the clean, quick, and permanent nature of plastic cement and you'll see why people like it better.

I've never plastic glued myself to a model.

Super glue on the other hand....

So yeah, plastic all the way.

Also never Zip Kick your hand when it has glue on it by accident.

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 plastictrees wrote:
I think GWs head of marketing definitively stated that all imaginary boxed sets would be cross-compatible in his last pod-cast.

Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Haha. Very sorry to interrupt the guessing what GW are going to do, debates about Knights in 30k, the merits of plastic over resin, and glue tips. We'll be right back on track now I'm sure.

I'd love to have a pre-heresy plastic kit for Space Marines.

The Heresy era has always been my favorite part of the 40K setting.

If this is legit, and I hope it is, maybe we can later on get a plastic kit for the Land Raider Proteus as well.

ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Wait, this entire thread is about a generic plastic Horus Heresy boxed set that's half the price of existing boxed sets.

Which part of this thread isn't about made up nonsense?

 plastictrees wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:



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 plastictrees wrote:
I think GWs head of marketing definitively stated that all imaginary boxed sets would be cross-compatible in his last pod-cast.

Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Haha. Very sorry to interrupt the guessing what GW are going to do, debates about Knights in 30k, the merits of plastic over resin, and glue tips. We'll be right back on track now I'm sure.

Your mockery would have more bite if you weren't trying to actively derail the thread with a bs "rumor". And between the two of of us at least my post tied into the actual topic being raised, namely the reasons why people are excited for a possible plastic release (the chances of which with Hastings stating it as coming are really high) and why this release is actually a good thing.

Seriously, if you're going to take shots at me the least you can do is actually get on my level.

Pulling this back on track here's what Lords of War Gaming had to say on the release just in case anyone is looking for just a little extra confirmation of details from reliable sources:

Plastic HH marks of armor in May? You're way off!

So no HH in May.

April/May
It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

Again, no HH in May, that's strictly blocked off for Mechanicus.

It will be a full army.

Mechanicus is a full army.

40k board game is Horus Heresy based and springboards into GW producing plastic 30k models later.

^^^We have a winner!

The HH board game is temporary and lines up with a plastic line for them.

That's all we got from Lords of War Gaming on May and the HH stuff.


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ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, we don't really need the trolling. Can we keep on topic with the actual rumors instead of the made up nonsense please?

Wait, this entire thread is about a generic plastic Horus Heresy boxed set that's half the price of existing boxed sets.

Which part of this thread isn't about made up nonsense?

The parts that came from Hastings and Lords of War Gaming that stated a HH board game was coming and the models will be later sold seperately as part of a plastic 30k line (with FW sticking to the upgrade kits and specialty vehicles they used to for everything).

valace2 wrote:
Horus Rising, False Gods, Betrayer, and the First heretic were all very good as well.

Know No Fear was a great read, IMO. The structure made it read -- at least up to 00:00:00 -- like you were watching a glass fall to the floor in slow motion, AND actually had me cheering like hell for the Ultramarines, which is no small achievement.

The quality of the books can vary quite a bit, but it's important to remember that none of this gak is literature with a capital "L".

Is adeptus mech confirmed?

It seems we've not had news of it for a while.

I find it hard to believe it would come out before MOAR MARINEZZ!

But hey, Harlis got a codex...