DEATH FROM THE SHADOWS...
It wasn’t so long ago that the Raven Guard Legion got a host of new upgrade kits. Judging by what I saw in the Forge World Studio this week, it looks to me like there’s more on the way soon for the XIXth Legion.
This new squad looks perfect for the masters of stealth.
And that’s not all. If you’re working on a Raven Guard army then you might want to hold off on painting all those Legion symbols by hand as it seems that there are some fantastic looking Raven Guard transfers being readied for printing.
Transfers are perfect for adding detail to your Legion.
Warhammer World had some fantastic Forge World tanks on display recently when they held their first Golden Demon event. You may have seen a few of them in a previous Forge World Bulletin. Here’s a few more of my favourites, including the Slayer Sword-winning Death Guard Legion Fellblade by Richard Grey. You can check out more awesome war machines at the Warhammer World website.
Death Guard Legion Fellblade: Richard Grey.
Death Guard Predators: Dean Walton.
You may have already seen that Warscroll Compendiums for Tamurkhan’s Horde and The Legion of Azgorh are available to download. Now we’ve made it even easier for you to add their monsters and warriors to your Warhammer Age of Sigmar Army, you’ll find all of the Warscrolls available on the Warhammer Age of Sigmar app. Download it now!
That’s all from me for now. Make sure you check back soon for more from the Forge World Studio
Hanskrampf wrote: The Raven Guard looks very cool, although his bolter looks stupid.
Giant scope and barrel, still firing from the hip.
Given the strength of a Marine, there's no need for him to brace it at the shoulder, and if one assumes the scope is somehow linked to the targeter on his eye, there's no need to use that either. He can probably just 'look' where he wants to shoot (via the scope-camera projected through the eye lens) and pull the trigger.
It actually looks like there are two different scopes on the Bolter, and if you look close there seems to be a kind of "snap" where they could potentially be rotated into place.
I would have preferred if they had tapered the barrel off a bit instead of it looking like a kitbash but I'm glad the raven guard are getting some attention though.
A while back, one of the sculptors commented at an event that he had some trouble with one primarch's gear, but he eventually figured out how to do it. To me, that suggests Corax is imminent.
I get that it's supposed to be a unique Raven Guard unit and that the general way to distinguish these specialists from the regulars is to cake them in iconography, but it seems rather inappropriate here.
Don't get me wrong it looks great (barrel length aside), but I'm getting the impression that they're supposed to be some sort of sniper/stealth unit, in which case I'd expect them to be a as plain as possible.
Those eye bionics are perfect and I'll be looking to snaffle up the helmets from bits sites if nothing else.
I dunno, I think the bling balance is pretty good on that model. Stealth power armour is a weird concept anyway, and in the books the stealthiest raven guard have borderline supernatural stealth abilities.
Bull0 wrote: I dunno, I think the bling balance is pretty good on that model. Stealth power armour is a weird concept anyway, and in the books the stealthiest raven guard have borderline supernatural stealth abilities.
It's not that weird of a concept. For the most part, the stealth power armor has ceramite coated with a material that absorbs/reflects detection methods and the joints are basically "silenced"--but is still highly visible to the naked eye if someone's alert to the possibility.
Those are nice, but really it's just a suppressed modern day designated marksman rifle.
These bolters that we're seeing here are something new entirely from what I can tell. There is a lot more going on that usually isn't going on in the examples of "Stalker" pattern boltguns we've seen.
For example? It looks to have a bipod underneath the bolter casing--and there is a rather large "box" extending where there usually is the ejection ports for a boltgun.
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sockwithaticket wrote: I get that it's supposed to be a unique Raven Guard unit and that the general way to distinguish these specialists from the regulars is to cake them in iconography, but it seems rather inappropriate here.
Who's to say the iconography will be actually blinged?
Raven Guard stuff tends to be plain--even the ornate metallic parts are done in simple gunmetal for the Centurion example we got in C: SM
Rule-wise that's a sniper rifle and not a bolter. The Mor Deythan do not have access to regular bolters, though they are allowed to take combi-weapons.
Any info released on the shattered legion army ? think we'll be able to mix Salamanders with Iron Hands and Raven Guards in a single army? will it have new rules for a "warband" type of unit...
These bolters that we're seeing here are something new entirely from what I can tell. There is a lot more going on that usually isn't going on in the examples of "Stalker" pattern boltguns we've seen.
For example? It looks to have a bipod underneath the bolter casing--and there is a rather large "box" extending where there usually is the ejection ports for a boltgun.
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Looks to me that is a device for catching spent round casings so he can run, gun and stay stealth at the same time.
RedFox wrote: Any info released on the shattered legion army ? think we'll be able to mix Salamanders with Iron Hands and Raven Guards in a single army? will it have new rules for a "warband" type of unit...
when is book 6 coming out again ?
According to Alan Bligh the rules for shattered legions was finished in time to go into book 4 but was dropped due to space issues, why it didn't go into book 5 I don't know. So the rules are ready to go, they just need putting in a book. Book 6 is due end of year, and what it will contain for certain hasn't be revealed. Both UM and rules for the remaining legions has been talked about.
Book V didn't have anything to do with the Shattered Legions, that would be why they weren't in there. Book IV would've worked because it wasn't really about any one event in the heresy, it was a bit of a mismash of things. Book 6 will either be the Shadow Crusade, or a book like book IV with shattered legion rules and maybe rules for the remaining legions, iirc.
Nothing stopping them putting it in Book 5 as you can make a case for them to appear after Calth in Ultramar based on the BL books. I like how Book 5 is self contained within Calth but Book 5 felt a bit small compared to the last couple of Books and could have done with something else adding to it.
Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
I don't know, my Grenadiers barrels never broke off, and they look about as thick as this one. I had them in all sort of terrible cases before I got the padded one.
Now the standard Krieg guardsmen guns break all the time...
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
As long as it's not the typical Imperial Armour story progression of:
1. Imperium goes to fight/reclaim something. 2. Finds themselves up against a force of xenos! 3. Deus Ex Machina! 4. Total xenos victory.
Still, Forge World doing the Adeptus Mechanicus (rather than the Mechanicum)... that's tempting.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
As long as it's not the typical Imperial Armour story progression of:
1. Imperium goes to fight/reclaim something.
2. Finds themselves up against a force of xenos!
3. Deus Ex Machina! 4. Total xenos victory.
Still, Forge World doing the Adeptus Mechanicus (rather than the Mechanicum)... that's tempting.
Pleeeeease have some rules for Heresy era units for 40k, pleeeeease...
And yes, according to the fluff some of it is still around. All you'd need to do is leave out Castellax (they're kinda redundant now anyway) and make most of the other units Relics.
Maybe the Tau Titans first appearance in a book will be a crushing victory for the Imperium, which is why standard Tau doctrine goes for using Mantas and the like, rather than expensive walking war machines. (You know, keep it consistent with the current fluff)
However, the Tau still maintain a small amount of them, in case their air support is cut off for whatever reason, and they need to be able to combat Imperial Super Heavy class vehicles. That explains its rarity, too!
That, or the super scientist from that one colony will have made the Riptide 2: Electric Boogaloo despite being told not too, because he is a genius and amazing in every way. And it will absolutely obliterate and entire Knight Household all by itself, and only stop because it ran out of ammo.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
As long as it's not the typical Imperial Armour story progression of:
1. Imperium goes to fight/reclaim something.
2. Finds themselves up against a force of xenos!
3. Deus Ex Machina! 4. Total xenos victory.
Still, Forge World doing the Adeptus Mechanicus (rather than the Mechanicum)... that's tempting.
I fear you are right. It does get a little tiring. We need more shades of grey stories the closest so far is Imperial Armour 11 or Tactica Aeronautica where the Imperium shot the Tau up good and proper.
Still, a FW book with Ad-Mech?! Yes please! Chuck in Elysians for flavour and bliss!
zedmeister wrote: Was it his project to do the Solar Auxilla? I knew one of the designers just went on and sculpted them because they liked the idea?
From what I've heard (don't quote me on this) he did the Lasrifle section in his own spare time, presented it to the team and they loved it so much that they started working on the Imperial Army concept that would evolve into the Solar Auxilia.
Makes me wonder if we'll ever see a pack of three Auxilia Medicae and their named character, Lord Marshal Ireton MaSade.
I hate to do this and it will make you feel conflicted, but you really need to read a certain Kickstarters updates
He's formed a commission studio with Aragorn Marks
Although, IIRC, the main reason for him leaving Forge World was his wife moving to a new job in Paris, and obviously he didn't want to be left behind. It was something like that, anyway, I don't think it was a case of him just getting fed up with GW/FW.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
As long as it's not the typical Imperial Armour story progression of:
1. Imperium goes to fight/reclaim something.
2. Finds themselves up against a force of xenos!
3. Deus Ex Machina! 4. Total xenos victory.
Still, Forge World doing the Adeptus Mechanicus (rather than the Mechanicum)... that's tempting.
I fear you are right. It does get a little tiring. We need more shades of grey stories the closest so far is Imperial Armour 11 or Tactica Aeronautica where the Imperium shot the Tau up good and proper.
Still, a FW book with Ad-Mech?! Yes please! Chuck in Elysians for flavour and bliss!
I liked IA 12 too, it was more the other way around- huge xenos attack, Imperium comes in to counter attack, huge costly stalemate... and then the story ends. I get that you are meant to play the rest of the campaign yourself to see what happens, but it is still a little annoying how it so suddenly cuts out.
It's weird, because the IoM regularly batters Chaos in the IA books, but loses consistently to Xenos.
Crazyterran wrote: Maybe the Tau Titans first appearance in a book will be a crushing victory for the Imperium, which is why standard Tau doctrine goes for using Mantas and the like, rather than expensive walking war machines. (You know, keep it consistent with the current fluff)
However, the Tau still maintain a small amount of them, in case their air support is cut off for whatever reason, and they need to be able to combat Imperial Super Heavy class vehicles. That explains its rarity, too!
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That explanation makes total sense - Kudos.
I can see the title of the book now - Imperial Armour: Adeptus Mechanicus; "FW saves GW from itself"
Alpharius wrote: I guess I don't understand why he couldn't also still do some work for FW, unless he didn't have to/want to, of course!
There is nothing preventing him from still taking commission work from them, as FW have and will continue to bring in guns for hire to sculpt, and I'd imagine in ranges where he's already done a fair bit, there's likely to be a feeling that he should be brought back in to continue aesthetic/feel, if available/willing. There's absolutely no bad blood and it's far more about external factors that he's not 'in house' any more. Hypothetically speaking.
Come to think of it, who is still sculpting for Forge World? It seems that they've stopped posting the sculptors on new models and I don't think I've seen a full roster of the talent behind them for quite some time.
Darth Bob wrote: Come to think of it, who is still sculpting for Forge World? It seems that they've stopped posting the sculptors on new models and I don't think I've seen a full roster of the talent behind them for quite some time.
Mark Bedford and Simon Egan are still there last I heard
zedmeister wrote: Was it his project to do the Solar Auxilla? I knew one of the designers just went on and sculpted them because they liked the idea?
From what I've heard (don't quote me on this) he did the Lasrifle section in his own spare time, presented it to the team and they loved it so much that they started working on the Imperial Army concept that would evolve into the Solar Auxilia.
Makes me wonder if we'll ever see a pack of three Auxilia Medicae and their named character, Lord Marshal Ireton MaSade.
That's pretty much what he (Edgar) said to me that the HH weekender when they were first seen.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
As long as it's not the typical Imperial Armour story progression of:
1. Imperium goes to fight/reclaim something.
2. Finds themselves up against a force of xenos!
3. Deus Ex Machina! 4. Total xenos victory.
Still, Forge World doing the Adeptus Mechanicus (rather than the Mechanicum)... that's tempting.
I'm just quietly amused by the use of the phrase Deus Ex Machina, in conjunction with a discussion of an Adeptus Mechanicus book.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
Does that mean there will be some new Cult Mech with new rules coming out with the Tau? Cause I can get behind that.
Kanluwen wrote: Tau Titan is supposed to be a September release, with the rules coming in the next IA book(reputed to be Tau v. Mechanicus)--and there is no reliable evidence of a Tau codex releasing anytime soon.
Does that mean there will be some new Cult Mech with new rules coming out with the Tau? Cause I can get behind that.
Man, I really hope so. That'd make me super happy!
I love me some Volkite, but I'm not sure a pair of TL Volkite Culverins would be better than a pair of Kheres Assault Cannons. The Kheres do have about half the range, but with more shots and rending.
beast_gts wrote: So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?
(I know, pure speculation....)
Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.
Yaraton wrote: For any Canadians here: FW now charges HST (13%) on the top of your order. ers
That's not entirely correct. It charges the correct tax for your province -- so 12% in British Columbia, 5% in Alberta, for example. 13.5% in Quebec, I think (since it's tax-on-tax)?
OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.
OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.
I never had that, only once in a blue moon when my order was over a certain amount I had to pay customs fees but since the delivery was done by the Canada Post I didn't have any "brokerage fees" usually associated with UPS or FedEx.
In short, they are R45 S6 Ap5 Heavy 4 with a special rule giving any unit suffering unsaved wounds a similar amount of additional wounds with te same statline.
For example, a unit of orcs get hit with 3 hits, rolls 2+ to wound and lo! 3 wounds. The orcs has 5+ save and no cover and thus suffer all three wounds, the Deflagrate rule kicks in and gives the orc unit another 3 wounds.
Again, the orcs have no useful armor or invunerable save and suffer an additional 3 wounds.
This concludes the shooting and 6 orc boyz are removed as casualties.
OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.
I never had that, only once in a blue moon when my order was over a certain amount I had to pay customs fees but since the delivery was done by the Canada Post I didn't have any "brokerage fees" usually associated with UPS or FedEx.
I bought enough once, together with two friends, to get free express shipping (it was an obscene amount). We got hit with a customs and tax bill from UPS that blew our minds away.
I think you only get the brokerage charge if you do express shipping, because UPS charges it (I *think* it was UPS. I'm not 100% sure). I don't think Canada Post charges it, but I could be wrong. Anyways, we have never ordered it with express shipping since, hahaha.
beast_gts wrote: So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?
(I know, pure speculation....)
Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.
Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.
beast_gts wrote: So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?
(I know, pure speculation....)
Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.
Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.
This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!
The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.
The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.
I don't have my book with me, but I thought the Contemptor mortis could take two Volkite Culverin's, but perhaps not the twin-linked option.
But, if you have the book, I'll not argue as I probably remember it wrong!
beast_gts wrote: So if FW are still doing Contemptor parts, does that mean we won't be seeing a plasic GW one? Or will they be options, like the current dreadnoughts?
(I know, pure speculation....)
Or more likely, they are putting out some new weapons since some of the older, more common ones will be phased out when GW brings out a plastic version.
Well I'm pretty sure Contemptors have had the option for Volkites since the red books came out, they just haven't got round to releasing them til now.
This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!
OTOH, previously, it was a little hit and miss; sometimes, customs waived it through; other times, you got charged for the tax AND brokerage fees, and the latter could really suck.
I never had that, only once in a blue moon when my order was over a certain amount I had to pay customs fees but since the delivery was done by the Canada Post I didn't have any "brokerage fees" usually associated with UPS or FedEx.
I bought enough once, together with two friends, to get free express shipping (it was an obscene amount). We got hit with a customs and tax bill from UPS that blew our minds away.
I think you only get the brokerage charge if you do express shipping, because UPS charges it (I *think* it was UPS. I'm not 100% sure). I don't think Canada Post charges it, but I could be wrong. Anyways, we have never ordered it with express shipping since, hahaha.
Nope. UPS (Bunch of thieves) charged me brokerage on my individual purchases of IA 4 and IA 13. You can self clear your purchases to avoid their extortion but you have to contact FW in advance to get the info to stop UPS from doing you the "favor" of charging you to do so. It's a pain and it's always a consideration when I'm planning a purchase.
The standard contemptor has the option (in the Red Book) for a SINGLE Volkite Culverin, a standard dreadnought can exchange both their arms for Single Volkite culverins, none has the option for twinlinked ones.
Probably, this will change in an upcomming revision of the Red Book, or, it will be an attendum to the wargear of the Mortis Contemptor / Mortis Dreadnought who currently doesn't have an option for Volkite Culverins of any kind.
I don't have my book with me, but I thought the Contemptor mortis could take two Volkite Culverin's, but perhaps not the twin-linked option.
But, if you have the book, I'll not argue as I probably remember it wrong!
Not yet, I'm hoping it'll get shred on top of twin linking, then it'll be a worth while option with the keres having niether of those.
Not likely, shred would be odd on volkites since no other type has that USR, also, a bit over the top when concidering the relative power of the other weapon options.
TWL and Deflagrate with S6 is well enough to handle anything from regular infantry to mechanicum battle-automata, though it struggles a bit against the Thantar's T8, that sucker needs a smattering of lascannons to bring down.
Please, dorn will be standing on the peak battlement of Eternity Gate on terra, the base will be 2 meters tall and feature a movable main gate 1,5 meters tall and 80cm wide.
Nothing Less for the Emperor's favoured son.
Nope. UPS (Bunch of thieves) charged me brokerage on my individual purchases of IA 4 and IA 13. You can self clear your purchases to avoid their extortion but you have to contact FW in advance to get the info to stop UPS from doing you the "favor" of charging you to do so. It's a pain and it's always a consideration when I'm planning a purchase.
Yes, this is what I've been told by my friend who buys a reasonable amount of FW; he has always avoided it in the past. Is that still the case, now? Like, if you place a GBP250 order, get free express shipping, do you get charged brokerage?
Yes, this is what I've been told by my friend who buys a reasonable amount of FW; he has always avoided it in the past. Is that still the case, now? Like, if you place a GBP250 order, get free express shipping, do you get charged brokerage?
Yep.
Express shipping = UPS = customs feesx2
Normal shipping = Canada Post = normal customs fees.
kronk wrote: Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!
Ah-HA! Now its the Iron Warriors time to shine, you yellow-loving... wait... still no unique units? Damn it Perturabo, this is why no one likes you.
But yea, I'm always ready for another Primarch, just pray Dorn isn't based on the ruins of a full titan
Don't the Iron Warriors have that huge fething land crawler... thing?
No that's for everyone. I assume you mean the Mastadon? Iirc Perturabo designed it but it's not IW specific. Plus it's not out anyway so even if it was specific to them, they still don't have any unique units out
The website has changed since as well, I doubt they will be stopping any of the legion specific FW stuff, it compliments it too well, but you never know with GW I must admit.
I think GW has found that marking things "sold out" creates interest in a product. "Sold out" and even "limited edition" are very loose phrases for this company. Plus, the argument that FW will discontinue Legion-specific contemptors stretches credulity too far.
Yaraton wrote: Sorry everyone for the "Canadian offtopic".
Yep. Express shipping = UPS = customs feesx2 Normal shipping = Canada Post = normal customs fees.
Sorry everyone for the "Canadian offtopic".
GAH. Thanks, man.
We will continue to purchase non-express-shipping orders here, then I think that this is the dumbest thing ever, especially at the rates UPS charges (they make GW seem reasonable!). At least if you're buying $500+ of resin, FW could chip in the brokerage LOL.
It might be that the Sons of Horus Legion Contemptor is going to get redone. It was one of the first Legion Contemptors(if not the first) and has been on their "best-sellers" list quite often.
This. These Volkites have been an option for Contemptors since FW's HH Book 1. They're just now getting around to them.
Speaking of getting around to them, Where is DORN?!?!
I'll be happy with Dorn or Corax
Past signs pointed to Corax being next up, but either of those two deserve to be done soon.
Although it has occurred to me that Daemon Prince Angron would make a better release alongside the next book, since it'll probably be about the Shadow Crusade and include his ascension. Selfish WE @#$% that I am, I'd be fine with that.
Still, the cries of anguish that would erupt if Angron got TWO models before others got one might force me to rethink that, and that probably factors into FW's thinking also.
The SoH Contemptor is one of the earlier ones that wasn't generic. The World Eaters and Death Guard ones are much more so (the DG one fittingly so). The SoH one is one of my favourites, and the only one I actually own so far.
Edit: Spoke too soon. Did some more research and it looks like yes, it is indeed being repackaged in a clampack. Heard from multiple people who've talked to Forge World directly.
The Horus Heresy Mechanicum: Taghmata Army List brings together the Mechanicum units and rules from The Horus Heresy Books One to Five in a 120 page, hard back book. It includes background and profiles for all of the units available to the Mechnicum Taghmata, Legio Cybernetica and Ordo Reductor armies as well as support aircraft, seven classes of Knight, the Warhound, Reaver and immense Warlord Titans and introduces powerful new units such as the Ordinatus Macro Engines.
Additionally, this book includes updated Age of Darkness expansion rules for playing games of Warhammer 40,000 during the Horus Heresy, and all of the weapons profiles and special rules you’ll need for your Mechnicum army.
The Horus Heresy Mechanicum: Taghmata Army List is an expansion to Warhammer 40,000. You will need a copy of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook in order to use this book.
Fancy servitors basically. They come with close combat weapon and are S4/T5. They can take a selection of weapons and upgrades (Laslocks for a point each, Flamer, MM, Heavy Bolter, Maxim Bolter.
However, you can get a single unit of two Adepts and 8 Automata and stick them in the Triaros
Bobthehero wrote: I don't know, my Grenadiers barrels never broke off, and they look about as thick as this one. I had them in all sort of terrible cases before I got the padded one.
Now the standard Krieg guardsmen guns break all the time...
As someone wanting to start a Krieg army, that's demoralizing...
Manchu wrote: Clampacks are generally for selling things on racks rather than by mail. Interesting.
It could just be to make it easier for them at the FW shop in Warhammer World.
The store doesn't have much hanging up at all, purely the things like upgrades, pads and decals. Then there's a shelf of the HH primarch boxes.
Everything else is safely locked away under the display cabinet for the relevant model, if it's in stock.
If you order something to be cast on the day, it also comes in a clampack. Even things like the tank commander commissar, that's a single piece torso.
At a guess, it's to protect the models and also makes it clear what has and hasn't been opened by the customer in comparison to the bags.
you mean a GW knight ? because he's already a knight pilot...good question though
By the description it looks as if he is designed to fit inside the FW Cerastus knights and not the standard plastic Questoris knights. [EDIT] Just checked, he is. The Cerastus knights actually come with the chair he's sitting on, which is not included in the pilot kit. Which does make £15 for a wee guy who you're barely going to see a bit pricey IMHO.
Also that techpriest and servitors are gorgeoussssss... Though looking more closely at the servitors, did they have to be so identical?
Lovely stuff that mechanicum as usual,
With respect to the clam packs, if its small enough, its in one, even the solar auxila command is tightly jammed into a clam pack and up on the shelf, fits just right mind.
The Magos reminds me of an older, 2nd Edition sculpt or one of those unreleased Skullz figures. I like it, but it's a little less refined than FW's typical fare. The robes especially look a little roughly sculpted, probably done by a commission sculptor or maybe a test sculpt. The price seems a bit steep, too. £35 would have been easier to swallow.
Mechanicum are really strong, but the Legions are pretty well balanced. And there is some special rule proliferation throughout the game, but it's much more sane and manageable than with 40K these days. IMO.
Wilson wrote: So we can use mechanicum in 40k now????
No. Only 30k ("during the Horus Heresy").
Additionally, this book includes updated Age of Darkness expansion rules for playing of Warhammer 40,000 during the Horus Heresy, and all of the weapons profiles and special rules you’ll need for your Mechnicum army.
The Horus Heresy Mechanicum: Taghmata Army List is an expansion to Warhammer 40,000. You will need a copy of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook in order to use this book.
It's consistent with other language, like, "The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List is a 96 page hard back containing the complete profiles, special rules and wargear, compiled and updated, for the core Legiones Astartes Legion Crusade Army List for Warhammer 40,000 and the Battles in the Age of Darkness gaming expansion."
Now mind, you can play 30k lists against 40k lists, though they really come into their own against the more powerful (or unbalanced) 40k lists when you play at 2500+ pts, when you can field larger squads (a lot of the 30k units have a large initial price tag, but adding more models to the unit is usually hella cheap) or squadrons of vehicles backed by a Lord of War or two and if you play Astartes, a Primarch.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, to the people who are buying the Red Mechanicum book, could any of you, upon receiving it, confirm whether or not is also includes the rules for the Questoris Knights army list?
While it does include all patterns of suits of armour, along with that creep Arch Magos Draykavac, no mention is made whether or not the actual list is included as well.
Mechanicum in 40k would be sick, while marines and auxilia are pretty good ish in 40k, mechanicum are a whole other story, I could see people getting annoyed if they use orks, tau etc against them, even eldar would have issues. I'm not calling them op, but they'd be up there with crons and eldar I think in terms of what can be abused and spammed :/
BrookM wrote: Now mind, you can play 30k lists against 40k lists, though they really come into their own against the more powerful (or unbalanced) 40k lists when you play at 2500+ pts, when you can field larger squads (a lot of the 30k units have a large initial price tag, but adding more models to the unit is usually hella cheap) or squadrons of vehicles backed by a Lord of War or two and if you play Astartes, a Primarch.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, to the people who are buying the Red Mechanicum book, could any of you, upon receiving it, confirm whether or not is also includes the rules for the Questoris Knights army list?
While it does include all patterns of suits of armour, along with that creep Arch Magos Draykavac, no mention is made whether or not the actual list is included as well.
Yeah for sure. And nothing stops you from taking 30k units and just putting them into 40k as-is as long as your buddies are ok with it.
The price of the book is in-line with other GW books, too, but you can't get store discounts :X Maybe we'll get lucky and somehow a version of these will filter through trade distribution channels.
Legio cybernetica appendix: legio cybernetica battle cohort, archmagos ?
Ordo reductor army list appendix (!!): the war covenant of the ordo reductor, the ? of ? army force organisation chart, magos ? , ordo reductor artillery tank battery, ordo reductor minotaur battery (!)
The titan legions: warhound, reaver, warlord
Legio cybernetica appendix: legio cybernetica ? cohort, archmagos ?
Ordo reductor army list appendix (!!): the war covenant of the ordo reductor, the ? of ? army force organisation chart, magos ? , ordo reductor artillery tank battery, ordo reductor minotaur battery (!)
The titan legions: warhound, reaver, warlord
Nice detective work. Tarantulas, interesting but not unexpected thinking about it. Also, the Minotaur is one of my favourites and I've been needing an excuse to buy one...
Manchu wrote: Clampacks are generally for selling things on racks rather than by mail. Interesting.
Yet they've been clampacking smaller things for quite a while. Smaller things like Legion upgrades, the Praetors, Contemptor weapons, etc, and I've never heard of anyone finding those on racks anywhere.
Manchu wrote: Clampacks are generally for selling things on racks rather than by mail. Interesting.
Yet they've been clampacking smaller things for quite a while. Smaller things like Legion upgrades, the Praetors, Contemptor weapons, etc, and I've never heard of anyone finding those on racks anywhere.
Maybe, and this may be an utterly mad idea, maybe they store them on racks at the Forgeworld warehouse? It's been three years or so since I managed to get to the Forgeworld Open Day, but the bins they used to store all the old baggies of models in must've accounted for quite a few breakages and bends. The clampacks are more structurally rigid meaning you can move them around in bulk a lot more confidently.
Do we have any idea when the next full HH book is supposed to be coming out? I'm getting a massive HH fluff bunny itch that can only be scratched by another book to read... I love the profiles of individual soldiers detailing part of their history and their wargear and heraldry. Really interesting little snapshots into the period.
There is Forge World Open Day Amsterdam coming on September 5th, anything new coming up soon will most likely be previewed there.
Hopefully some members of this board will be there too to snap a lot of high quality pictures and/or ask a lot of question from the FW design team members.
The solar system/constellation one (Astorium, I'm guessing) is really cool! Very unique. I need a way to use these without dropping hundreds on a titan.
Still not a huge fan of the super detailed transfers. I feel like unless your painting standard is super high, they're going to look really out of place when juxtaposed against your painting. Anyways, I got the Centurion today. Lovely model despite the ugly head which actually isn't as bad as I thought when viewed in person. Still not going to use it though. I was a tad disappointed to find that he has the flat Praetor-esque head bulb with the flat bottom and a peg. The torso doesn't seem like it will fit a helmet after several attempts at fitting one, as the chins of every helmet I tried (I tried a lot) get caught on the collar. and look like its too big for his armor. I was able to get a standard plastic bald head into the torso after cutting down the bulb. Just be aware that getting a different head on this guy will require a bit of work!
Speaking of the LE centurion, is it just the power armoured Praetor body with different arms and a different head? I can't see any difference between the bodies on the website.
ImAGeek wrote: Speaking of the LE centurion, is it just the power armoured Praetor body with different arms and a different head? I can't see any difference between the bodies on the website.
ImAGeek wrote: Speaking of the LE centurion, is it just the power armoured Praetor body with different arms and a different head? I can't see any difference between the bodies on the website.
Yep it is.
Cheers. Not bothered about getting it really now, I'd change the head anyway and if I was gonna use the weapons I could approximate them.
ImAGeek wrote: Speaking of the LE centurion, is it just the power armoured Praetor body with different arms and a different head? I can't see any difference between the bodies on the website.
Yep it is.
Almost. The torso is actually turned slightly the other direction from the Praetor mini.
ImAGeek wrote: Speaking of the LE centurion, is it just the power armoured Praetor body with different arms and a different head? I can't see any difference between the bodies on the website.
Yep it is.
Cheers. Not bothered about getting it really now, I'd change the head anyway and if I was gonna use the weapons I could approximate them.
You could make the exact model with the upgrade kit, more expensive I know, but more options.
Darth Bob wrote: Still not a huge fan of the super detailed transfers. I feel like unless your painting standard is super high, they're going to look really out of place when juxtaposed against your painting. Anyways, I got the Centurion today. Lovely model despite the ugly head which actually isn't as bad as I thought when viewed in person. Still not going to use it though. I was a tad disappointed to find that he has the flat Praetor-esque head bulb with the flat bottom and a peg. The torso doesn't seem like it will fit a helmet after several attempts at fitting one, as the chins of every helmet I tried (I tried a lot) get caught on the collar. and look like its too big for his armor. I was able to get a standard plastic bald head into the torso after cutting down the bulb. Just be aware that getting a different head on this guy will require a bit of work!
The larger transfers are also not easy to handle IMO. I will stick to the smaller not overly detailed transfers, but that might be just because I am not painting any vehicles or even Titans.
I have received the Web Praetor as well last week, but did not check out possible helmeted options yet. Only one thing is sure, he will get an alternate head ... be it helmeted or not.
Formosa wrote: Mechanicum in 40k would be sick, while marines and auxilia are pretty good ish in 40k, mechanicum are a whole other story, I could see people getting annoyed if they use orks, tau etc against them, even eldar would have issues. I'm not calling them op, but they'd be up there with crons and eldar I think in terms of what can be abused and spammed :/
The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.
Formosa wrote: Mechanicum in 40k would be sick, while marines and auxilia are pretty good ish in 40k, mechanicum are a whole other story, I could see people getting annoyed if they use orks, tau etc against them, even eldar would have issues. I'm not calling them op, but they'd be up there with crons and eldar I think in terms of what can be abused and spammed :/
The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.
This is just the equivalent of FW saying: "Feel free to play how you like! You might need house rules to make it work!"
Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks?
A:While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the Codexes representing warfare in the 41stMillennium, and this will remain the case.
Designer’s Note: This means that while you are, of course, free to have fun and play games against your friends using any forces you like, and Horus Heresy forces will be broadly ‘a fair fight’ with Codex forces of the same scale, certain rules anomalies and inconsistencies may be thrown up that you have to deal with, although these should not seriously affect the game in most cases. (For example, certain units, such as those with the Stubborn special rule are at a premium costing in Horus Heresy armies over their regular Codex counterparts, owing to the results of play testing within their own sphere.)
In terms of using Lords of War and the Primarchs, however, these are definitely not intended to be used in standard Warhammer 40,000 games, but only in games where both sides use the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, andthe specific provisions within, and in games of 2,000 points or greater.
Designer’s Note:
So if, for example, you wanted to play a battle representing a narrative where the Sons of Horus Legion fought Orks or Eldar during the Great Crusade, you could quite easily use those xenos Forces’ Warhammer 40,000 Codexes (possibly house-ruled to accommodate larger squads) to proxy for their Heresy-era counterparts. In this case, however, both sides should be using the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, with the army’s own Apocalypse level units and flyers available as Lords of War entries following the guidelines found on page 184 of Betrayal.
Bronzefists42 wrote: The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.
Volkite alone is massively overpowered against horde armies like Orks, Guard, and Tyranids.
Bronzefists42 wrote: The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.
Volkite alone is massively overpowered against horde armies like Orks, Guard, and Tyranids.
That's about it though, I don't think anything else is massively strong.
I've been playing 30k vs. 40k for some time. I wound actully say that the 40k armies are more powerful then the 30k lists. Even Volkite only helps so much agiest stuff like Tyranids and orks. The reason why is the 40k armies have formations and the 30k armies don't. The amount of extra free stuff the 40k armies get threw their formations is HUGE.
Generally most 40k units are more under costed compared to the 30k units, and the 40k lists will have a distinct advantage in games under 2500 points. 30K lists also have much more for their points tied up in their troop choices then 40k lists who can more easily take min-sized troop choices to max out other slots in their armies.
As long as both armies are built for the same missions (Other 30k build for core 40kFoC and missions or 40k lists built for age of darkness missions and FoC) then it's fairly balenced as long as the 40k armies don't take any formations or special FoC rules.
In my experience the only thing in 30k that throws people off is some of the mechanicum stuff. T7 MC troops is something the 40k meta has never had to deal with, and/or most 40k players don't know how to deal with. Most people know how to deal with Space Mariens and the Solar Auxillia's Carapace GEQ's.
Formosa wrote: Mechanicum in 40k would be sick, while marines and auxilia are pretty good ish in 40k, mechanicum are a whole other story, I could see people getting annoyed if they use orks, tau etc against them, even eldar would have issues. I'm not calling them op, but they'd be up there with crons and eldar I think in terms of what can be abused and spammed :/
The FAQ has confirmed it is totally legal to run HH armies against regular 40k armies, but most builds will have a massive disadvantage.
This is just the equivalent of FW saying: "Feel free to play how you like! You might need house rules to make it work!"
Spoiler:
Q: Are the armies and units in the Horus Heresy books by Forge World meant to be used in games against regular Codex armies, such as say Grey Knights or Orks?
A:While Forge World’s on-going range of Horus Heresy books and their game content are all designed to use and be compatible with the Warhammer 40,000 rules, they have been fine-tuned and focused on playing battles in the milieu of the Horus Heresy rather than in conjunction with the Codexes representing warfare in the 41stMillennium, and this will remain the case.
Designer’s Note: This means that while you are, of course, free to have fun and play games against your friends using any forces you like, and Horus Heresy forces will be broadly ‘a fair fight’ with Codex forces of the same scale, certain rules anomalies and inconsistencies may be thrown up that you have to deal with, although these should not seriously affect the game in most cases. (For example, certain units, such as those with the Stubborn special rule are at a premium costing in Horus Heresy armies over their regular Codex counterparts, owing to the results of play testing within their own sphere.)
In terms of using Lords of War and the Primarchs, however, these are definitely not intended to be used in standard Warhammer 40,000 games, but only in games where both sides use the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, andthe specific provisions within, and in games of 2,000 points or greater.
Designer’s Note:
So if, for example, you wanted to play a battle representing a narrative where the Sons of Horus Legion fought Orks or Eldar during the Great Crusade, you could quite easily use those xenos Forces’ Warhammer 40,000 Codexes (possibly house-ruled to accommodate larger squads) to proxy for their Heresy-era counterparts. In this case, however, both sides should be using the Age of Darkness Force Organisation chart, with the army’s own Apocalypse level units and flyers available as Lords of War entries following the guidelines found on page 184 of Betrayal.
And even that particular response is out of date, as I believe Book 3 or 4 also referred to playing 30K vs. 40K. Besides, it's all still the same non-committal wishy-washy response Forgeworld has always given. Even the Imperial Armour books were the same: "consider this stuff 40K legal....but still make sure your opponent is ok with it first." FW simply will never make that kind of commitment, because they don't want to take the blame for what TFGs will do if given free reign to cherry pick the best from GW and FW.
Besides, even Volkite isn't as bad as some people make it sound like. As a horde player, I would be more afraid of a support squad with flamers in a drop pod. It's not like most 30K armies are carrying more Volkite than most 40K armies are carrying plasma, melta, grav, or scatter lasers...
Word Bearers and a militia/cult type can take Daemons as allies. As daemons are not a 30k faction nor have any 30k equivalent whatsoever (besides two special characters who get an additional bonus rule when played in 30k games), the ONLY way to do this is using 40k rules for the daemons. IMHO that should be enough for them to be considered one and the same game, even if 30k is mostly purposefully balanced for 30k vs 30k battles. (not like what they purposefully balanced things for makes much of a difference anyways. 40k is purposefully balanced for 40k vs 40k and that doesn't stop it from being a friggin' mess)
Of course, people are welcome to say "No, I don't want to play against you if you field a 30k army", but that's the equivalent of someone saying "No, I don't want to play against you because your army, while technically legal, is filled with wave serpent cheese." so I don't see why that should affect things.
I really like the heads and torsos. I swear to god, I'm in trouble if I end up liking the Dark Angels, that would literally be all 18 legions as possibilities for me...
I was hoping we'd see the Blood Angels ones too. Hopefully next week.
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Fireball wrote: I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.
I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
Fireball wrote: I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.
I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now
Fireball wrote: I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.
I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now
Totally understandable. My problem is I can't decide which legion I'd like to build!
H.B.M.C. wrote: So you've got to buy heads, toros and shoulder pads, and still don't have even a single Marine yet.
C'mon FW. You're padding these kits as much as Black Library is padding the HH novels.
You say that as if it's a new thing with these upgrade kits, but they've all been like this since the first ones in 2012 or whatever. They're entirely optional, you don't need to use them, they're purely to add flavour to your squads of you want to.
Fireball wrote: I like the helmets ... could be used for IF Templar Brethren as well ... with some conversion my helmet for Sigismund might be in there too.
I was thinking this too - except for my 40K Black Templars
FW has completely brainwashed me ... there only is the Horus Heresy for me right now
Totally understandable. My problem is I can't decide which legion I'd like to build!
I am "only" a painter (not a player), so I just buy everything I like most ...
I suppose this qualifies as news: for the first time ever, I got a tracking number for my order. So, I guess that's one thing the new website actually got right?
Tannhauser42 wrote: I suppose this qualifies as news: for the first time ever, I got a tracking number for my order. So, I guess that's one thing the new website actually got right?
Those DA are sweet! I am looking forward to what they do with Thousand Sons, if ths trend continues. FW has found a way for me to like all the legions, even those whom I dislike in 40K.
SirDonlad wrote: My Mechanicum LRB got 'dispatched' today! Huzzah!
Was too poor to afford express delivery so no saturday surprise for me.
To anyone who does; please let me know if the land raider achillies is in it?
Nope. You have a super customizable land raider proteus that can get flar shields and ceramite. Lots of sponson and hull mount options. So you can bassicly build a Achilles minus the quad cannon on the front.
The thing is that it's a heavy support choice and not a dedicated transport. Their are a lot more appealing heavy support choices I feel.
SirDonlad wrote: My Mechanicum LRB got 'dispatched' today! Huzzah!
Was too poor to afford express delivery so no saturday surprise for me.
To anyone who does; please let me know if the land raider achillies is in it?
Nope. You have a super customizable land raider proteus that can get flar shields and ceramite. Lots of sponson and hull mount options. So you can bassicly build a Achilles minus the quad cannon on the front.
The thing is that it's a heavy support choice and not a dedicated transport. Their are a lot more appealing heavy support choices I feel.
I am aware of the awesomeness of the mechanicum landraider, i have three in different loadouts that may not get used as regularly any more I got excited a while back because the speel on the LR achillies purchasing entry says...
"It was originally created by the Imperial Fists Legion in response to a dire xenos threat now lost to the mists of history, and fittingly rare outside the noble Chapter, their successors and the Ordo Reductor of the adeptus mechanicus"
But that info is a real bummer.
Now i have my hopes pinned on the enticing entry "the war covenant of the ordo reductor"; desperately hoping for access to other imperium tech that way 'cause i can't see my avenger strike fighter in the list either... And it also looks like Taghmata can't take storm eagles anymore.
I really like the heads and torsos. I swear to god, I'm in trouble if I end up liking the Dark Angels, that would literally be all 18 legions as possibilities for me...
I was hoping we'd see the Blood Angels ones too. Hopefully next week.
I like those breasplates and the pauldron sculpts, but why did they have to use armets instead of great helms?
SirDonlad wrote: Now i have my hopes pinned on the enticing entry "the war covenant of the ordo reductor"; desperately hoping for access to other imperium tech that way 'cause i can't see my avenger strike fighter in the list either...
It's the fourth entry in Fast Attack if I see it correctly (on the FW page).
I like those breasplates and the pauldron sculpts, but why did they have to use armets instead of great helms?
Great helms are more of an Imperial Fists or Black Templars thing, in my mind. But if you want more great helm-ish heads, just get these upgrades instead:
>Point Changes in the Mechanicum Red Book
>- Castellax are 20 poinst more expensive
>- Vorax are 10 points less expensive.
>- Ursarax are 20 points more.
>- Thanatar +10 points.
>- Myrmidon Destructors +15 points.
Those make sense to me- especially the Myrmidons. I just couldn't see any reason to take most of the Secutor options when the Destructors could do the same things better for less or similar points, except that you may have no Heavy Support slots left. 1 Volkite Culverin is always going to be better than 2 Volkite chargers, yet the Culverin was just 5pts more, and came with Preferred enemy (everything!)...
SirDonlad wrote: Now i have my hopes pinned on the enticing entry "the war covenant of the ordo reductor"; desperately hoping for access to other imperium tech that way 'cause i can't see my avenger strike fighter in the list either...
It's the fourth entry in Fast Attack if I see it correctly (on the FW page).
Whoops! you're absolutely right.
I'm wondering why the 'arvus lighter' is in the FA slot - it's so pathetic, there must be a twist.
Grarg wrote: >Point Changes in the Mechanicum Red Book
>- Castellax are 20 poinst more expensive
>- Vorax are 10 points less expensive.
>- Ursarax are 20 points more.
>- Thanatar +10 points.
>- Myrmidon Destructors +15 points.
The Ordinatus is due in a month or two, and they're working on other weapons too. Book VI is meant to have an early Dark Mechanicum list too, alongside the rules for shattered legions.
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Hehe, just noticed the Ordinatus has Volkite sentinels, except rather than whatever puny Volkite weapon they usually have the Ordinatus versions have Volkite culverins
Sorry, I basically took no photos (couldn't find the :cuss ing SD card this morning, which made me miss the train :angry: )
Anyway, I've got a few things to add to this list :
Doom of Mymeara 2nd edition should be out soonish (in the next couple of months), with an updated and expanded corsair list (new units, but no or few new models planned)
There was also quite a bit of very sweet concept art for Thousand Sons (depthcharge should be happy because tuning forks featured prominently ) , some hairy heads (read possible White Scars and Space Wolves), iconography/transfers for the Legions of Istvaan III, and Invictarius Suzerain stuff. Since the Invictarius are already out and they didn't look exactly like the ones in the sketchbooks, don't read too much in to this. (One of the World Eaters symbols really made me go wow, a kind of a profile hound skull bighting a world, which isn't on the transfer sheet that already exists. I think AO108 took a snapshot of it).
As already mentioned, lots of amusing and eerie concept art for Dark Mechanicum, I think we're in for a treat with those ! Also, the sketches I saw still seemed relatively close to the loyalist counterparts, so there should hopefully be conversion opportunities.
Some talk about a possible online update of IA2, since Space Marines codex came out later
[irony]No-one new anything about any possible plastic heresy, and there is nothing to suggest that it will be out next games day...[/irony] Read that this is pretty much sure. None of the designers seemed concerned about Games Workshop taking over, and seemed to feel that it should complement Forge World's stuff, as a launching ground.
I may have been too direct when I asked, but they didn't seem to be aware of any possible Chaos releases, they seemed to think it was "made up". As I said, I may have been to direct, so don't jump to conclusions.
For the Space Wolves, it seemed like they were starting to plan them, but really just the very beginning stages. They don't know yet what the final Legion symbol will be, so that's a fair example of how early on in the process they are. Mark Bedford's examples were grey armour with black pauldrons, with the Wolf in the Stars (the Great Wolf's) symbol from the decal sheets, but that is only to get an idea. However, they also seemed to be grizzled warriors with jump packs, so JPs might not be limited to Wolf Guard and Blood Claws ?
However, any fears about them being Wolfy McWolfy Wolves can start to be quelled. The idea really seems to be to represent the Emperor's executioners and exterminators, as they were designed to be in the fluff, moving back to disctinctly Space Vikings vibe, rather than silly wolfiness.
The Solar Auxilia with the axes are the only new models, but they are really nice. Of course, I wouldn't have expected much more, since it is only an open day, with bigger events coming up very soon.
Thanks for the photos. BA heads design looks lazy and uninspiring.
Seeing the RG special unit I guess FW now is not going to make a special unit for AL - "The Headhunters". So, out of two special units in the book we are not getting any. That sucks...
Whose transfer sheet is the 3rd one in the pictures?
I really like the Blood Angels stuff. And I'm sure they'll do the AL stuff at some point, just because they've done a RG one here doesn't mean they're never going to do the AL ones...
Apparently the Dark Furies and Siege Terminators are close to being done too.
ImAGeek wrote: I really like the Blood Angels stuff. And I'm sure they'll do the AL stuff at some point, just because they've done a RG one here doesn't mean they're never going to do the AL ones...
Thanks for the answers, ImAGeek, but AL terminator special unit already could be made from the existing parts and the power armour special unit is an exact copy of Mor Dreythan, so I think FW will follow the easier road.
ImAGeek wrote: I really like the Blood Angels stuff. And I'm sure they'll do the AL stuff at some point, just because they've done a RG one here doesn't mean they're never going to do the AL ones...
Thanks for the answers, ImAGeek, but AL terminator special unit already could be made from the existing parts and the power armour special unit is an exact copy of Mor Dreythan, so I think FW will follow the easier road.
I doubt it. They'll at least do upgrade kits. No other legions have no kits at all for their units, and lots of them could be made with the standard stuff. And the AL power armour unit isn't a copy of the Mor Deythan, as far as I know they can't use sniper rifles.
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Some info from Arac (Tabletopwelt.de):
Book VI (talk with Andy Hoare)
*White Scars, Dark Angels and Blood Angels are in with rules
*Shattered Legions rules for all Legions (Traitors: Horus send some small groups to hunt the Isstvan survivors)
*There will be more Solar Auxilla, but it was Edgar's project so now Israel is in the process to take over (so new releases aren't imminent)
Talk with Simon Egan
*there will be plastic Heresy from GW, but they'll continue
*Marc Bedford designs some 30k Skitarii upgrades but he must wait for the OK from the management (there's none at the moment) to publish them.
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Book 6 will also include new rites for all legions. Two examples were:
- Word Bearers: Gal Vorbak as troops
- EC: Noise Marines as troops
Also basic rules for BA, DA and WS will be included - including a rite or two, special equipment and legiones astartes rule. Argel Tal will be in a later book - not book 6.
Also the writers are done. Now the artists are doing the layout and adding some graphics. Should be available in this year.
On display were the SA storm section with power axes (nice models). The rest was known stuff. BA and DA upgrades do look very awesome as does the painted ordinatus - which btw has the craziest rules I've seen so far. You basically lay down a 7" template on his hull- move it 72" in one direction and everything it touches gets a hit. Depending on the tract it varies from a S5 AP2 hit to a SD AP2 hit - of course all with instant death, armorbane, ignore cover and pinning. It is just absolutely insane. Cost a bit over 1.000 points per ordinatus. The second one with a belicosa pattern volcano cannon cost 700 points. Both have the ordinatus shield which gives -3 Strength / on the destroyer table in turn 1, -2 on both in turn 2 and from then on only -1. It is absolutely unkillable and it does a lot of harm. The new Tau suit also was on display as well as on sale - but I didn't get the prize. Rules should be out in a couple of weeks as well as those new decal sheets (also very nice pieces).
All in all it was an nice and small event. There was the awesome Calth board in the center, about seven guys from the design team and the sales area. Everyone was really friendly. But I didn't get anything from the talk with simon about the next primarch :-/
Please for the love of God release mymeara 2.0 already! I am waiting to add backup to my harlequins that aren't outclassed by every other space elf in the universe.
Edit: I have a solid 3000+ point dedicated corsair army, I am just tired of it being crap :/
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:Please for the love of God release mymeara 2.0 already! I am waiting to add backup to my harlequins that aren't outclassed by every other space elf in the universe.
Edit: I have a solid 3000+ point dedicated corsair army, I am just tired of it being crap :/
ImAGeek wrote:From Lord Thorn on B&C:
Sorry, I basically took no photos (couldn't find the :cuss ing SD card this morning, which made me miss the train :angry: )
Anyway, I've got a few things to add to this list :
Doom of Mymeara 2nd edition should be out soonish (in the next couple of months), with an updated and expanded corsair list (new units, but no or few new models planned)
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FW intend to start their dark mechanicum range and get it on its feet before wholesale porting the 40k AdMech range into the heresy. so its not in book 6 and won't be in prospero. however the mars scism book is loosely planned for book 8 or 9, depending on whether they want to do thramas/signus straight after prospero or not. in which case the mars book makes for a perfect place to introduce a large number of new mechanicum units, specially as the skitarii will consist of its own army list and not be random units joining the taghmata.
talk from the open day is that mark bedford's got some designs for upgrade/conversion kits for the plastic skitarii but is waiting for management to give him the go a head, so don't expect them for a while
Although AlphariusOmegon108 who was there today said:
bull:cuss Mark specifically said today that they will keep the 40k mechanicum completly seperated from 30k, as the 40k admech are COMPLETLY different from 30k admech, the 40k admech doesnt belong in 30k, especially the models.
about the previous statement. So who knows. Although we've seen art of Skitarii in 30k and they were based on the 40k models.
FW intend to start their dark mechanicum range and get it on its feet before wholesale porting the 40k AdMech range into the heresy. so its not in book 6 and won't be in prospero. however the mars scism book is loosely planned for book 8 or 9, depending on whether they want to do thramas/signus straight after prospero or not. in which case the mars book makes for a perfect place to introduce a large number of new mechanicum units, specially as the skitarii will consist of its own army list and not be random units joining the taghmata.
talk from the open day is that mark bedford's got some designs for upgrade/conversion kits for the plastic skitarii but is waiting for management to give him the go a head, so don't expect them for a while
Although AlphariusOmegon108 who was there today said:
bull:cuss Mark specifically said today that they will keep the 40k mechanicum completly seperated from 30k, as the 40k admech are COMPLETLY different from 30k admech, the 40k admech doesnt belong in 30k, especially the models.
about the previous statement. So who knows. Although we've seen art of Skitarii in 30k and they were based on the 40k models.
The second angle I find odd, as it is a completely different stand-point to the way FW has viewed plastic GW40k models in both the Legionnes Astartes and the Imperialis Auxilia: FW has promoted the use of AM models for the Imperial Army, and has put plenty of snippets in the HH books for using GW plastic vehicles for the Legions. Not to mention a good chunk of the stuff used by 40k Adeptus Mechanicus is ancient technology. I can understand the armies playing very differently and having different structures, but the equipment being used by 40k Skitarii should not be so far removed from 30k Skitarii, so the models should be comparable (especially with an upgrade kit). The fluff for Galvanic rifles has them being in constant use since the very beginnings of the Martian Cult for example. Strange.
Those blood angel parts are getting me all hot and bothered. Very nice. Are they just getting the upgrade kits out because they're popular, you think, or does this point to some book love soon for the DA/BA?
The second angle I find odd, as it is a completely different stand-point to the way FW has viewed plastic GW40k models in both the Legionnes Astartes and the Imperialis Auxilia: FW has promoted the use of AM models for the Imperial Army, and has put plenty of snippets in the HH books for using GW plastic vehicles for the Legions. Not to mention a good chunk of the stuff used by 40k Adeptus Mechanicus is ancient technology. I can understand the armies playing very differently and having different structures, but the equipment being used by 40k Skitarii should not be so far removed from 30k Skitarii, so the models should be comparable (especially with an upgrade kit). The fluff for Galvanic rifles has them being in constant use since the very beginnings of the Martian Cult for example. Strange.
Don't know what the exact reason is, but I would guess it's a) design, b) their own model range they want to sell and c) the rules.
a) The FW models look very different compared to those from main GW (except the Magos Dominus). Models with joust lances or muskets (when even the lowest 30k troops wield more futuristic weapons) would look out of place. They used GW Servitor models in the earlier books as servo-automata (even if the stats were totally different), but now the real stuff is out and those things don't look human at all. At the moment the 30k range Mechanicum humans are either Magi, extremely powerful elite troops (Myrmidons, Thallaxi if you count them) or, well, those tech-thralls. The Magi surround themselves with automata rather than human servitors, field armies of robots and man even their battle tanks personally as if they trust the human flesh even less than their 40k successors.
b) Surely they want to sell their models. I guess they'd do less if you could use the 'cheaper' stuff to build a complete 30k army (I suppose the 30k community is now large enough for this being a factor for FW sales but not large enough for GW to fulfill those demands).
c) Merging two more or less complete armies isn't easy in terms of internal balancing and avoidance of units doing basically the same.(one of them will usually do it better). And here it's even more complicated, as the armies were designed for settings with different opponents.
Bull0 wrote: Those blood angel parts are getting me all hot and bothered. Very nice. Are they just getting the upgrade kits out because they're popular, you think, or does this point to some book love soon for the DA/BA?
They are supposedly going to have an army list in the next book, along with the DA.
Bull0 wrote: Those blood angel parts are getting me all hot and bothered. Very nice. Are they just getting the upgrade kits out because they're popular, you think, or does this point to some book love soon for the DA/BA?
Surely with the DA bits, it'd be easy enough to buy a set of heads, torsos, and pads from FW, add legs of choice from Anvil Industry, and use arms and guns you have lying around from GW? Almost all PA infantry boxes these past few years have a load of spare arms and bolters.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Surely with the DA bits, it'd be easy enough to buy a set of heads, torsos, and pads from FW, add legs of choice from Anvil Industry, and use arms and guns you have lying around from GW? Almost all PA infantry boxes these past few years have a load of spare arms and bolters.
This is pretty much what I've been doing for my Iron Hands - the FW kits mixed with GW plastics and Anvil & Kromlech bionics.
Yeah, same here. I've done an ultramarines boarding assault squad using the anvil shields, various anvil legs and torsos, GW arms, backs, FW upgrade kits.
I like those breasplates and the pauldron sculpts, but why did they have to use armets instead of great helms?
Great helms are more of an Imperial Fists or Black Templars thing, in my mind. But if you want more great helm-ish heads, just get these upgrades instead:
Yeah, and those look absolutely godawful with the swept out facial guard. Downright cartoonish.
"other force organisation charts (as well as formations and detachments) from the WH40K rulebook and other game expansions, as well as unbound armies, are not designed with the age of darkness missions in mind and should not be used in battles iof the age of darkness games unless by the mutual prior consent of all parties involved."
Page 21:
"In order to represent this diversity when it comes to super-heavy vehicles and flyers, it is perfectly acceptable to use specific imperial super-heavy vehicles and flyer units from forgeworlds wider imperial armour range such as 'apocalypse' and 'aeronautica'"
Page 28:
partis cybernetica - "A character with this special rule may join a unit of monstorus creatures so mlong as they have the cybernetica cortex special rule, even though this would not usually be allowed."
Page 33: calleb decima has the independent character special rule!!! and a bit of wargear to make him relentless!!!
Page 39: thallax can take a triaros as a dedicated transport!
Page 41: castellax are 105pts each now
Page 62: two types of ordinatus!!! volcano cannon or sonic destructor!
Page 81: ordo reductor force org chart - compulsory HQ 2 troops and 2 heavy support! optional 2 LOW slots!!!!
volcano cannon 180" S:d AP:1 10" blast machine destroyer primary wepon
sonic destroyer71" S:X AP:2 armourbane, instant death etc
14 hull points 14 13 13 BS4
the dipersion field is crazy first turn -3, second turn -2, third turn -1.
for incoming shooting attacks and rolls on the d-chart - works on front, sides and any angle using barrage
I think we'll be okay so far - any more detailed info by PM i think.
no it doesn't - it mentions you can use draycavac with it, and has the profiles for each of the indentured knight types, but you'll need to keep book 4.
looks like the 'mechanicum land raider' is now called the "Macrocarid Explorator" with a change in options available: the hull mounted heavy bolter is now a mauler pattern bolt cannon - no more quad heavy bolter sponsons.
On the plus side, calleb decima's isstvan profile allows me to take a single space marine tank as a heavy support choice so i can feature a landraider achillies in my ordo reductor!!
The artillery battery changed and is a bit wierd now, but hey - i get four HS slots with two of them compulsory!
plus, they are now scoring units and have obsec in maelstrom missions!!
Ah, just noticed that i can't have allies or fortifications...
One must disappear for food, but will be back later and happy to answer any asks of LRB conent.
SirDonlad wrote:volcano cannon 180" S:d AP:1 10" blast machine destroyer primary wepon
sonic destroyer71" S:X AP:2 armourbane, instant death etc
14 hull points 14 13 13 BS4
the dipersion field is crazy first turn -3, second turn -2, third turn -1.
for incoming shooting attacks and rolls on the d-chart - works on front, sides and any angle using barrage
I think we'll be okay so far - any more detailed info by PM i think.
Excellent, was hoping the old dispersion field would appear again.
SirDonlad wrote:
looks like the 'mechanicum land raider' is now called the "Macrocarid Explorator" with a change in options available: the hull mounted heavy bolter is now a mauler pattern bolt cannon - no more quad heavy bolter sponsons.
Hmmm, interesting. Proper Mechanicum pattern Land Raider inbound? Ordo Reductor only, aye?
In book 3, the Taghmata could also take the land raiders, so I would think they can still take it. I doubt FW would make a large vehicle model that only one small part of a faction could take.
It's in the main taghmata list under heavy support.
Page 47 : avenger strike fighter can take two sets of 2 kraken penetrator missiles pow! (it can get tank hunters too)
Page 50: the arvus can be upgraded to carry a pair of vorax or a single castellax
Page 51: thanatar cohort size reduced to 3
Page 55 macrocarid explorator can take a 'servo-rig' which allows a model with the battlesmith rule to attempt to fix a vehicle within 3 inches while inside. it also can do a shooting attack - 3" S8 AP2 heavy1 (targets seperately)
SirDonlad wrote: looks like the 'mechanicum land raider' is now called the "Macrocarid Explorator" with a change in options available: the hull mounted heavy bolter is now a mauler pattern bolt cannon - no more quad heavy bolter sponsons.
Forge World wrote:This is a complete resin and plastic kit. Although not used by the Space Marine Legions during the Horus Heresy, the Land Raider Prometheus can be used to represent one of the Mechanicum Land Raider options. Fire Raptors Resin doors are sold seperately.
Yeah, some of GW's legendary 'lojik' has rubbed off a bit.
I'm still a bit perplexed with the lack of LR achillies for the ordo reductor - they're rare, but not that rare! we make the damn things!!
It's primarily because vanilla legion marines can take one per heavy support slot, yet the ordo reductor can only use one when calleb decima is our warlord and we're on isstvan 3!
Still, at least artillery vehicles are cheap and scoring for us.
Are any of the Taghmata units "Approved 40k units" for Cult Mechanicus or Skitarii, in the new book? Or are units mutually exclusive to specific army list?
I.E. Can I sub in a Magos Prime from the Taghmata red book for an HQ choice, instead of a Tech-priest Dominus in my Cult Mechanicus army?
There is no cross-compatibility whatsoever. sorry dude.
Also, on page 17 the 'designers note' specifically says that formations, force org charts and detachments from 40k should not be used in the age of darkness.
That news blows. I figured since the release of 40k Admech, that one of the intentions of this compilation was to also spice up those miniature sized codices. Every standard 40k codex has "40k Appoved" units available, for variety and bolstering FW sales. I think it was a HUGE miscalculation on their half not to include official crossover units.
That news blows. I figured since the release of 40k Admech, that one of the intentions of this compilation was to also spice up those miniature sized codices. Every standard 40k codex has "40k Appoved" units available, for variety and bolstering FW sales. I think it was a HUGE miscalculation on their half not to include official crossover units.
/shakesfist@GW
Even if FW does crossover with the 40K Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus, they were not goin to do it in the Mechanicum Red Book, which is specifically designed for the HH era.
Wait for the next IA (14?) which is supposed to be Tau vs AdMech. 40K era, and we will likely see 40K versions of the rules for some of these units.
Yeah, it doesn't mean there won't be any crossover, but the red books are specifically for the Heresy (like the big Heresy books are) so it wasn't going to be in there. It's like the 40k rules for things like Sicarans and Spartans aren't in the red books, they're in Imperial Armour.
But I thought the rumors were Tau vs Raven Guard? I swore I saw a spread of the two. I was also under the impression it was to be a regular GW supplement release, ala Shield if Baal style, not IA. I could be confusing the two, it's been a while.
But I thought the rumors were Tau vs Raven Guard? I swore I saw a spread of the two. I was also under the impression it was to be a regular GW supplement release, ala Shield if Baal style, not IA. I could be confusing the two, it's been a while.
There were rumours of a Tau/Raven Guard box, like the Space Wolves/Orks one and the Blood Angels/Tyranids one (presumably with a campaign) but that's an entirely seperate rumour to the Tau/Mechanicus Imperial Armour.
Hmm, I feel like I have seen the head Frozen Ocean posted before, but I think it was sometime ago. Is that a new image from a more recent source though? Either way, it has been sufficiently long for it to become forgotten (at least by me...).
I believe it has been posted before, but this is a better image from a more recent source. Really happy to know that its officially gonna be a bit, though... The Warlord Im working on has been waiting for this particular variant!
But I thought the rumors were Tau vs Raven Guard? I swore I saw a spread of the two. I was also under the impression it was to be a regular GW supplement release, ala Shield if Baal style, not IA. I could be confusing the two, it's been a while.
The rumor of Tau v. Raven Guard is regarding a Stormclaw styled double box.
i have plenty of plastic BA shoulder pads already, but those helmets and torsos are the business!!!
i can see a few pieces that will work well for Emperor's Children, too...
very nice sets...
Much more aesthetically pleasing than the Dark Angels ones but still looks more like something from a 3rd party manufacturer than a boutique branch of the 'worlds best miniatures company'.
In the email Forgeworld sent out today, it also included an announcement for the upcoming open day event in October. It rather prominently featured a Tau battlesuit in the picture. I wonder if that means something...?
Tannhauser42 wrote: In the email Forgeworld sent out today, it also included an announcement for the upcoming open day event in October. It rather prominently featured a Tau battlesuit in the picture. I wonder if that means something...?
Probably the Taros Campaign revamp at a guess? Or something completely new.
Tannhauser42 wrote: In the email Forgeworld sent out today, it also included an announcement for the upcoming open day event in October. It rather prominently featured a Tau battlesuit in the picture. I wonder if that means something...?
Probably the Taros Campaign revamp at a guess? Or something completely new.
The second edition of the Taros IA book is already out, and the next revamped IA is Mymeara due in a few months. So either it's just about the new battlesuit, or the Tau vs AM book will be shown/released/whatever.
Or it could be to do with new Tau from GW, that's due soon right?
Tannhauser42 wrote: In the email Forgeworld sent out today, it also included an announcement for the upcoming open day event in October. It rather prominently featured a Tau battlesuit in the picture. I wonder if that means something...?
Probably the Taros Campaign revamp at a guess? Or something completely new.
Yeah, saw these last night -- they are gorgeous. Preordered!
One thing to note for anyone who's never used them before, the resin shoulders from FW aren't as crisp and clean as the plastic ones that come with new kits, and size matching some of the shoulders between different marks of armor may be difficult; for instance the Mk3 look humongous versus plain Mk7 blanks, and look disproportionately large versus some others.
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jah-joshua wrote: i have plenty of plastic BA shoulder pads already, but those helmets and torsos are the business!!!
Yeah, me too. The Mk2/Mk3 ones are really nice though! I couldn't resist.
At the risk of sounding ungrateful at my legion getting some love, is there any sign or rumours of mk3 heads and torsos for the BA? I mean these are cool, but mk4 just aren't my thing. Also, directed at those who went to the open day, are they planning on filling out the missing range of cataphractii pads? Thanks
Sirius42 wrote: At the risk of sounding ungrateful at my legion getting some love, is there any sign or rumours of mk3 heads and torsos for the BA? I mean these are cool, but mk4 just aren't my thing. Also, directed at those who went to the open day, are they planning on filling out the missing range of cataphractii pads? Thanks
Doesn't seem likely. So far every legion has received only one set of helmets and torsos.
Sirius42 wrote: At the risk of sounding ungrateful at my legion getting some love, is there any sign or rumours of mk3 heads and torsos for the BA? I mean these are cool, but mk4 just aren't my thing. Also, directed at those who went to the open day, are they planning on filling out the missing range of cataphractii pads? Thanks
Doesn't seem likely. So far every legion has received only one set of helmets and torsos.
Correct.
I suppose the forthcoming FW fluff for BA will suggest that they predominately use MK.IV armour over anything else. The Raven Guard receive MK.VI upgrades, the Iron Warriors MK.II and so on, so forth.
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