Am I insane, or is the CAD price for those warriors $74? They're nice, but there is no way that I can pay that and sleep well at night :/ That name isn't doing them any favours either. "Bloodbound Blood Warriors" is just awful. GW's just laughing at us now, aren't they? Or, more accurately, they're not bothering to hide that laughter anymore...
I'm having trouble figuring out the exact cost on that Khorne Kheep as it's displayed. Based just upon purchasing the 9 separate towers, you're talking about US$675. I'm guessing that if you want to build the whole thing, it's somewhere in the vicinity of US$1000. Yikes. Maybe a forthcoming bundle with exclusive web-only datasheet?
I hope it's in line with GW's good plastic scenery kits and not like the ones made in China (e.g. all new AoS scenery, Plasma Obliterator, etc.) as they tend be chintzy and have fitment issues.
It's awesome lookin, but way too pricey. I can see folks buying some towers and wall sections though, looks modular enough that you can start small and keep adding to it if you really wanna.
It really does feel like GW's gone "All in" on certain things!
Looks hideous as well. Like some cheap 80's toy (something like the hideous offspring of Mumm Ra's tomb fortress and castle greyskull). Truly, they are catering to a certain demographic
The only cool thing about this is that the castle's modular and works for both small segments and large setups. Other than that the designs are just as hamfistedly overwrought as the prose.
And call me soft, but this relentless enthusiasm for blood and hate is really starting to rub me the wrong way. On the one hand AoS as a game is supposed to be light and fun compared to WHFB, on the other hand the fluff is even moar grimdark.
I love those Blood Warriors, but as Angelofvengeance says at nigh on £4 a model the price is a bit steep. As for the castle I really like it, but again, at those prices I am not going to go near it.
Wow. Very strong Nockmaar-feeling...
Will be buying some (ram-)parts in order for my sorceress to mock the besieging army and turn them to pigs Not sure if everything is good though, might settle for a few wall sections (converted to become straight) and towers.
I love it here, shame they had to go full on Khorne though, I like all the skulls but it would have been nice to easily make it into a hold for another god as well.
Rayvon wrote: I love it here, shame they had to go full on Khorne though, I like all the skulls but it would have been nice to easily make it into a hold for another god as well.
It's worth mentioning that the castle described in the first Age of Sigmar book is covered in skulls--and dedicated to Tzeentch.
The Sorcerer whose castle it is transmogrified his sacrifices to copper/brass after having decapitated them, storing some of his power tapped from Ghal Maraz into each skull.
Thanks for that bit of the fluff, I guess they felt they needed to justify the skulls as well.
I just cant get into the aos fluff...
Have there been any dwarves in it ?
that might perk it up a bit.
Thanks for that bit of the fluff, I guess they felt they needed to justify the skulls as well.
I just cant get into the aos fluff...
Have there been any dwarves in it ?
that might perk it up a bit.
If you want the fluff to 'perk up' then you should be pulling for the return of Slaanesh.
The prices confirm that they are certainly catering to a specific clientele now, hint it's not casual, beer and pretzel gamers. I think the only people who will be willing to pay these recent prices are the true, dyed in the wool, GW enthusiasts who will literally buy anything that GW produces. Maybe they weren't wrong in court when they said the hobby is buying GW models.
I make a very comfortable salary and there's no way that I'll pay $62 for 10 plastic models. I'm very glad with my recent decision to try bolt action. $35 rulebook, about $1/model.
Wow, that dreadhold is much larger than I thought it would be. The circular shape is cool and pretty original for fantasy terrain, but Chaos is still not my cup of tea, so no giant skull castle for me.
@agnosto - it's $62 for *20* plastic models. Box of 20, not 10
First I like the commitment GW has made to scenery. While obviously part of the AoS wave, the scenery could be used in 40K games as well. Its disappointing that given the prices reported so far that this already niche product will be even more niche creating a self fulfilling prophecy to GW of justifying the high price to maintain the appropriate margin.
Hopefully this won't be a splash release that only has limited stock as I could see picking up a piece once every two or three months.
@Lord of Deeds - That big a set is not going to be a splash release. I think this is the Chaos equivalent of Cities of Death.
I wonder if they'll do a RoB board eventually to go with it.
I would actually really like a plastic cracked earth/lava game board set like the one that the chaos fortress is sitting on with 2x2 boards. That would get a lot of use from me.
@agnosto - it's $62 for *20* plastic models. Box of 20, not 10
Picture says 10....Not that I'm against the price, they are big and pretty models but it is $6.20 per model before any discount.
Wow, you're right. All the reporting had been 20.
Ahhhh NVM. I was confusing these guys with the other Chaos guys being released this week in the box of 20. My bad, sorry guys. These are pretty big Khorne guys. I'm just not enough into the Chaos thing, so like, one hacked up bloody guy looks like another But these are hacked up bloody guys with bigger weapons and more armor.
On the other hand, I'm surprised these guys come in box of 10. The normal GW thing to do would be to stuff them in a box of 5 for $50 a la Sigmarites.
I believe that having optional skull / stone wall separate panels is a concept that eludes Games Workshop and is a missed opportunity. They could easily have made a Age of Sigmar themed fortress wall with minimal separate heraldry that could be used by good and evil and then had separate kits that let you upgrade to have more / less skulls, scrollwork, gargoyles, pustules etc.
Instead... GW only makes one option and chooses the aesthetic for you.
Can't believe these prices. GW continues to exploit the customer. I've been robbed $150 on the starter, $60 on the Stormcast boxes, another $70 one for the paladins, then the $70 Bloodreavers, and now I'm forced to buy a, what, $400 fortress? How am I supposed to eat?
@keezus - how cool would that be? Modular plastic fortress with interchangeable fascia. I would buy a set from any vendor in a heartbeat.
I think it would be more ambitious than you envisage though, as every piece needs at least 3 facings (front, back, top), end pieces need 4, and a few will need 5.
@TrollSlayer - hahaha... but... you don't need to buy every faction Certainly not all the terrain! You forgot the Stormcast archers, though. And the books...
But, er, what exactly would I need to buy to make it? Like, one Skull Keep for each arrow pointing out? That would make, like a thousand dollar set? Or do you get it all with the Dreadfort set?
TrollSlayerThorak'Khun'Na wrote: Can't believe these prices. GW continues to exploit the customer. I've been robbed $150 on the starter, $60 on the Stormcast boxes, another $70 one for the paladins, then the $70 Bloodreavers, and now I'm forced to buy a, what, $400 fortress? How am I supposed to eat?
Lmao and gw are forcing you how exactly? Have they been round your house telling you that you must buy them. Don't be silly. At no point have you or anyone been forced to buy. You on the other hand have went and bought these things. Only you are to blame for that.
On topic the chaos not just khorne castle is rather cool but like every AoS scenery kit I wont buy it as I have no interest in scenery. GW need to get actual models out more than scenery
@Vyxen - good question The description is pretty ambiguous. I'm not sure what "one wall section" constitutes, and how many you need to form a circle.
It says, 1 skull keep (must be the center thing) 1 additional tower block (must be one of the outside pointies), and 1 wall section and 1 wall end.
So presumably, you'd need 2 wall ends to build what's in the picture and 7 additional towers? Plus some number of Fortress Wall sections. I think it's reasonable to assume that most people won't play with an 8-pointed star of towers, though. Maybe 2 towers or 4, at the most.
TrollSlayerThorak'Khun'Na wrote: Can't believe these prices. GW continues to exploit the customer. I've been robbed $150 on the starter, $60 on the Stormcast boxes, another $70 one for the paladins, then the $70 Bloodreavers, and now I'm forced to buy a, what, $400 fortress? How am I supposed to eat?
Lmao and gw are forcing you how exactly? Have they been round your house telling you that you must buy them. Don't be silly. At no point have you or anyone been forced to buy. You on the other hand have went and bought these things. Only you are to blame for that.
On topic the chaos not just khorne castle is rather cool but like every AoS scenery kit I wont buy it as I have no interest in scenery. GW need to get actual models out more than scenery
Maybe that was phrased poorly, but what I got from it was a less long-winded way of saying "If one wishes to buy the complete fortress and actually build it as presented in White Dwarf", yes GW ARE exploiting you. "Hey bub, wanna use this kit to its full potential? Sorry you've gotta buy 6 of em! No discounts."
TrollSlayerThorak'Khun'Na wrote: Can't believe these prices. GW continues to exploit the customer. I've been robbed $150 on the starter, $60 on the Stormcast boxes, another $70 one for the paladins, then the $70 Bloodreavers, and now I'm forced to buy a, what, $400 fortress? How am I supposed to eat?
Lmao and gw are forcing you how exactly? Have they been round your house telling you that you must buy them. Don't be silly. At no point have you or anyone been forced to buy. You on the other hand have went and bought these things. Only you are to blame for that.
On topic the chaos not just khorne castle is rather cool but like every AoS scenery kit I wont buy it as I have no interest in scenery. GW need to get actual models out more than scenery
The way I see it ~
The man who has enough money to buy those things, doesnt have enough time to build and paint them as fast as they come out (I'm in this category I wont buy more until I've painted my AoS set and realm gates but couldve easily bought all of it so far),
The other man has a lot of free time to devote to the hobby, but probably cannot realistically afford to buy them all at once (as a teen this was more me).
The guy with both the funds and the time available.... well tbh I dont know who that is.. I can only think of wealthy parents children or well off retired people. The rich guys in the world are generally quite busy getting rich.
TrollSlayerThorak'Khun'Na wrote: Can't believe these prices. GW continues to exploit the customer. I've been robbed $150 on the starter, $60 on the Stormcast boxes, another $70 one for the paladins, then the $70 Bloodreavers, and now I'm forced to buy a, what, $400 fortress? How am I supposed to eat?
Lmao and gw are forcing you how exactly? Have they been round your house telling you that you must buy them. Don't be silly. At no point have you or anyone been forced to buy. You on the other hand have went and bought these things. Only you are to blame for that.
On topic the chaos not just khorne castle is rather cool but like every AoS scenery kit I wont buy it as I have no interest in scenery. GW need to get actual models out more than scenery
The way I see it ~
The man who has enough money to buy those things, doesnt have enough time to build and paint them as fast as they come out (I'm in this category I wont buy more until I've painted my AoS set and realm gates but couldve easily bought all of it so far),
The other man has a lot of free time to devote to the hobby, but probably cannot realistically afford to buy them all at once (as a teen this was more me).
The guy with both the funds and the time available.... well tbh I dont know who that is.. I can only think of wealthy parents children or well off retired people. The rich guys in the world are generally quite busy getting rich.
That's how I see it. The downside of such a rapid release schedule, with heavy emphasis on limited/splash releases, is that they are potentially missing future sales by limiting access to their products.
For me, I have plenty of money but an unfinished Knight Maegara on my desk because:
More precisely, for the report minded:
The more money that I make, the less time I have to commit to hobby pursuits and a great deal less time to build and paint.
Necros wrote: I betcha most worthwhile FLGSes would give you a nice discount if you special order the whole fortress
I could also see worthwhile FLGSes opening up a fund for their players to put money in to, as a way to get the store enough parts of a Crazy Chaos Castle to run a scenario from the second book("Cast Adrift").
The more money that I make, the less time I have to commit to hobby pursuits and a great deal less time to build and paint.
For me, this was very true until I hit 39-40. Then, all of the sudden, I was finding that I was working much less (no more hundred hour weeks!) and earning a lot more.
It is very true that not only must someone be a fan and be able to afford it but they must also WANT this. Not really any different than Cities of Death and Wall of Martyrs, though. While I'm not buying tho set, I'm glad GW is making large terrain modular terrain sets that isn't all Imperium themed.
The more money that I make, the less time I have to commit to hobby pursuits and a great deal less time to build and paint.
For me, this was very true until I hit 39-40. Then, all of the sudden, I was finding that I was working much less (no more hundred hour weeks!) and earning a lot more.
It is very true that not only must someone be a fan and be able to afford it but they must also WANT this. Not really any different than Cities of Death and Wall of Martyrs, though. While I'm not buying tho set, I'm glad GW is making large terrain modular terrain sets that isn't all Imperium themed.
The good news is that my savings account grows exponentially since I'm unable to spend anything AND I married a woman who doesn't like to spend money. I'm 43 and looking at retirement in 10 years so maybe then I can spend some more time learning how to paint.
£37.50 for ten blood warriors feels a bit steep. For that price I'd probably stick to using the old Chaos Warriors - but then I've always had a soft spot for the models, I'm sure not everyone is a fan of how static they are.
So to build the pictured fortress, its going to cost us a pretty penny:
Assuming my eyesight is not playing up, I count the following
1 Overlord Bastion
8 Skull Keeps
15 Walls
1 Gate
which gives us the grand totals:
Pound: £725
US: $1175
AUS: $1995
Honestly, looks ridiculously over-designed to me. And kind of stupid. And at that price tag...yeah...no.
The only thing I can say that's positive about these new releases is that they're making it really easy for me to make a clean break from buying GW products.
Huh, so they've stopped taking out single bitz once each from dozens upon dozens of terrain kits to build unattainable super-constructs they can wave in front of the 99% of customers who couldn't afford to build one themselves, and just skipped straight to making terrain kits that 99% of customers can't afford.
I mean, I suppose it's an improvement as it's technically more upfront & honest to just charge a price for the terrain that says "What's that you're wearing, pleb, a non-diamond encrusted Rolex?! Shoo! Shoo! Get thine horrible poverty-stricken phizzog out of my sight!"
I wish the pictures taken so far gave us any sort of clue as to the makeup of these bundles. Having a 'balcony' isn't a feature. Is that one tower, or can you make more? How modular are they?
Alpharius wrote: At those prices, I don't think we'll be seeing a lot of the 'pictured fortress' out in the wild...
Depends on how long it takes for this kit to reach the East.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I wish the pictures taken so far gave us any sort of clue as to the makeup of these bundles. Having a 'balcony' isn't a feature. Is that one tower, or can you make more? How modular are they?
The Skull tower says that it's a two story tower but that's about it.
I would never feel safe in the external towers. Supplies running over that during an assault have little cover. It also would suck really bad to have that bridge destroyed as you are now cut off until after the siege has lifted which spells death.
In a world with flying things and gun powder and magic this fort seems very out of date... I would not be happy being told to defend such a place.
Also, skulls icky, price icky, design icky and GW icky...
Alpharius wrote: At those prices, I don't think we'll be seeing a lot of the 'pictured fortress' out in the wild...
LOL. I'll second that one
Khornishly Khrazy! Just think how much time it would take to build and paint that, too. What I'm more curious about is, if someone spends $160, what exactly CAN the build, for example, with 1 wall end?
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Swastakowey wrote: I would never feel safe in the external towers. Supplies running over that during an assault have little cover. It also would suck really bad to have that bridge destroyed as you are now cut off until after the siege has lifted which spells death.
The little gangplank does look crazy to run across during a heated battle, with flying angel lightning bolt guys whizzing around. On the other hand, these are demons. They have Magikk! But need food? Reach out, dead bodies. Need ammo? Reach out, grab skulls!
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I wish the pictures taken so far gave us any sort of clue as to the makeup of these bundles. Having a 'balcony' isn't a feature. Is that one tower, or can you make more? How modular are they?
Yeah, I agree. If I grab a WD tomorrow, I'll see if there's any additional info. I mean, it's great to know what you can build for the price of uh... three tournament-quality 40k armies... or a car... but it sure would be nice to know what $100-$200 buys!
In the past the agressive pricing would have indicated that they had made rules so good that people would spam fortresses anyway.
But these days, and with AoS, the rules probably just include a reciting of the french guys in Monty Pythons "seek for the holy grail" for some ofhand bonus.
Spartan089 wrote: Unless Im missing something that whole Fotress costs more than $1,000 USD if you buy each individual piece sepeseparately. Thats madness even for GW.
There's a "Madness? This... is... SIGMAR!" joke in there somewhere.
Fayric wrote: But these days, and with AoS, the rules probably just include a reciting of the french guys in Monty Pythons "seek for the holy grail"
Nice
As someone else said, GW's art direction lately has made it easy for me to make a clean break... it's like they take their own themes, and then double down / almost make a parody of them.
I think the market will bear out that they're going too outlandish / over the top... This pic is a great example of that:
angelofvengeance wrote: @Nvs: Here's a pic to give you an idea of size. Spoilered cause it's a big pic.
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The model on the right is awesome and intimidating - it has style. The model on the left is an incredibly well executed piece of plastic injection molding engineering... but an army looking like that would just be silly, imo. I know it's likely a character, but the point stands - it's like the design studio has just gone for way too much of a good thing...
angelofvengeance wrote: @Nvs: Here's a pic to give you an idea of size. Spoilered cause it's a big pic.
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Thanks for the pic. I must say the new model looks amazing. It's not quite the aesthetic I like and I do much prefer the one on the right, but the left one is still amazing. I wonder if they'll make a kit for the other gods?
God I hope they redo the entire Chaos Space Marine line next.
Spartan089 wrote: Unless Im missing something that whole Fotress costs more than $1,000 USD if you buy each individual piece sepeseparately. Thats madness even for GW.
There's a "Madness? This... is... SIGMAR!" joke in there somewhere.
(/modern references)
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But seriously GW's pricing has for the most part spiraled out of control. Im not going to lie, even with all the skull, that terrain looks pretty cool, but not cool enough to buy for the same price as a used car. This is why Recasters and other companies are getting more and more people turning to them.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: 8600 yen can net me nearly as many 1/144 Gundam kits as it can Blood Warriors if I shop around carefully. That's just plain crazy.
But then Gundams are Japan's equivalent of Space Marines. They're popular and will sell very well.
Lets face it, with GW prices more and more it will become a topic of conversation any time something expensive pops up. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
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angelofvengeance wrote: @Nvs: Here's a pic to give you an idea of size. Spoilered cause it's a big pic.
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It's like .. The old Chaos Warrior is being embarrassed by his new Chaos Warrior friend, who likes to drink too much and flirt loudly with all the boys. Old Chaos Warrior is probably thinking he should meet new friends so this doesn't happen EVERY Friday night.
More Stormcasts & Khorne was originally a Sad Panda-rumour Motograter was partially disputing.
Motograter wrote:They havent got round to dwarfs yet. The stormcast have been mostly done bar a few bits, This 8th month is Khorne related in new release terms but also skaven and nurgle repacks. The 9th month sees Tzeentch releases. Numbers are still important it would seem
Sad Panda wrote:Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Motograter wrote:Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
More Stormcasts & Khorne was originally a Sad Panda-rumour Motograter was partially disputing.
Motograter wrote:They havent got round to dwarfs yet. The stormcast have been mostly done bar a few bits, This 8th month is Khorne related in new release terms but also skaven and nurgle repacks. The 9th month sees Tzeentch releases. Numbers are still important it would seem
Sad Panda wrote:Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne.
Dwarfs are early 2016 at best Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Motograter wrote:Stormcasts are obvious as there are units and characters models that have been seen but not released as of yet. Khorne only has two other new models to go, the rest will just be repacks
I got my White Dwarf. HOLY CRAP. This Dreadfort is MASSIVE. I took some better pictures (just with a point and shoot... if you want nice glossies go buy the mag!) to share and give you an idea.
First telltale sign, look at how SMALL a bloodletter is (top right) compared to the overlord bastion.
Second, check this: a 32mm base is 75 pixels on this photo. The width from one side to the other (and it's not even through the center of the fort, which is wider), is 2720 pixels. 2720 / 75 * 32 /10 = 116cm / 2.54 = 46" !!
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The tile that sits the fort is 4 ft. wide, and won't fit it if you rotate the points of the star to its widest point. In other words, if you build Chaos Megaforticus, you will REALLY need a table that's at least 8x6, preferably 8x8 or 8x12. Because who makes a fort that's so big that there's no space for the people laying siege? So this is going to be a REALLY rare configuration. You need a massive play room to make this work!
The "little" towers are big too. Here's a better picture.
The wall sections are wedge shaped in a 3:2 ratio, meaning you can put 2 of them on opposite facings to make a straight wall, or face them the same way to make a rounded wall. By the way, the GW sculptor failed here, and did not put enough skulls in on the floor plate. Obviously.
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And really, my favorite part of the whole set. The stairs. These are great. I wish you could get these stairs without the chaos markings.
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Oh yes. There is also a photo with a sigmarite on the gangplank, and it's a perfect fit. The gangplank that connects the tower to the wall is 50mm. There are many, many great photos in this WD, including lots of the new blood warriors. You gotta love chaos though.
Random thoughts... I wonder how many liters of Carrroburg Crimson and Agrax Earthshde it would take to wash Megafort? If you painted it all with GW paint.... forget the price of the models... how much PAINT would it cost? LOL. How many years would it take to paint? KHRAZY!!! Ok, now that Fantasy got it's day in the sun, more 40k please. XENOS SCENERY FTW!!
Next week's teaser:
NEXT ISSUE: THE HALLOWED KNIGHTS, GOLDEN DEMON AND A PRIME EXAMPLE...
Who are the Hallowed Knights? What Prime example? O.o
I know I am in the minority, but I think the chaos stuff looks... well... ridiculous. Overdone. Something that you'd see in a modern 'Masters of the Universe" kit or something. Sure, it's Chaos, but that set will not let you forget. Ever.
Which, in a way, is a good thing for my wallet. I am happy for those Chaos players who are jazzed about it, though.
plastictrees wrote: Do we know if it's plastic or the china cast resin-y stuff.
I've bought all the non-Chaos Sigmar terrain, and all of it has been plastic... from China. Ophidian Archway is even on sprues, just like Cities of Death. It is not resin-y at all. I suspect in the future, all terrain will be from China.
The quality of all the previous pieces have been excellent (better than the old Fantasy terrain in terms of stuff matching up, quality of tooling, etc). It's quite possible that the molds are made in Nottingham, and the plastic is just cast in China.
Mort wrote: I know I am in the minority, but I think the chaos stuff looks... well... ridiculous. Overdone. Something that you'd see in a modern 'Masters of the Universe" kit or something. Sure, it's Chaos, but that set will not let you forget. Ever.
Which, in a way, is a good thing for my wallet. I am happy for those Chaos players who are jazzed about it, though.
I agree completely. Each new release for AoS has been worse than the last, and this just takes the cake. The weird offspring of a metal album cover and a Fisher Price castle toy, at an absolutely devastating price. Who exactly is this aimed at? Is it some sort of aspirational item? "Save your money, young man, and maybe you too can own a DREADHOLD someday!"
AncientSkarbrand wrote:How reliable would you ladies and gents say the tzeentch rumours are?
Considering Sad Panda is refuting them, I'd say "not likely." It's the same as the Tzeentch Daemonkin that were definitely-totes-absolutely going to follow the Khorne Daemonkin
Guildsman wrote:
Mort wrote: I know I am in the minority, but I think the chaos stuff looks... well... ridiculous. Overdone. Something that you'd see in a modern 'Masters of the Universe" kit or something. Sure, it's Chaos, but that set will not let you forget. Ever.
Which, in a way, is a good thing for my wallet. I am happy for those Chaos players who are jazzed about it, though.
I agree completely. Each new release for AoS has been worse than the last, and this just takes the cake. The weird offspring of a metal album cover and a Fisher Price castle toy, at an absolutely devastating price. Who exactly is this aimed at? Is it some sort of aspirational item? "Save your money, young man, and maybe you too can own a DREADHOLD someday!"
I feel the same way. I have slowly come around to the AOS starter set models- the Khorne stuff was pretty decent and the Sigmarites I've accepted. But the last few things, like this fort in particular, have really gone into the range of WoW/Fisher Price silly. Which seems really counter-intuitive for a kit that costs a lot of money to get value out of.
Who was it that originally threw tzeentch rumours out there? Are they reliable in the same sense as sad panda? Or was it an assumption based on the ghal maraz cover art?
GW is making me not spend money on anything from them by not releasing tzeentch stuff. I would buy other things too if I felt my main man was being serviced. Plastic lord of change would have me some kind of giddy. Didn't someone mention the greater daemons have been ready for awhile? How reliable is that assertion?
Mort wrote: I know I am in the minority, but I think the chaos stuff looks... well... ridiculous. Overdone. Something that you'd see in a modern 'Masters of the Universe" kit or something. Sure, it's Chaos, but that set will not let you forget. Ever.
Which, in a way, is a good thing for my wallet. I am happy for those Chaos players who are jazzed about it, though.
I agree completely. Each new release for AoS has been worse than the last, and this just takes the cake. The weird offspring of a metal album cover and a Fisher Price castle toy, at an absolutely devastating price. Who exactly is this aimed at? Is it some sort of aspirational item? "Save your money, young man, and maybe you too can own a DREADHOLD someday!"
It's just that AoS release in general is GW going from delusional to full bonkers. It's actualy great to watch for the comedy heh.
Mort wrote: I know I am in the minority, but I think the chaos stuff looks... well... ridiculous. Overdone. Something that you'd see in a modern 'Masters of the Universe" kit or something. Sure, it's Chaos, but that set will not let you forget. Ever.
Which, in a way, is a good thing for my wallet. I am happy for those Chaos players who are jazzed about it, though.
I agree completely. Each new release for AoS has been worse than the last, and this just takes the cake. The weird offspring of a metal album cover and a Fisher Price castle toy, at an absolutely devastating price. Who exactly is this aimed at? Is it some sort of aspirational item? "Save your money, young man, and maybe you too can own a DREADHOLD someday!"
It's just that AoS release in general is GW going from delusional to full bonkers. It's actualy great to watch for the comedy heh.
Yeah not sure on comedy, more tragi-comedy at this stage
So I guess that the new Chaos fortress is replacing the old generic fortress in their scenery range? Would wonder will they release a range of scenery to tie in with each of the factions as they are released? I'd be interested to see an equivalent Dwarf type scenery piece as long as it was restrained to a degree in it's aesthetic approach.
But the price tag for the whole thing is prohibitly expensive. Even more so if you wanted to convert it to 40k give it more of a demon-tech/doom look to it.
The individual peices don't feel like they "work" that well on their own either. Doors sticking off the sides of the upper story would look really bad with out anything for thows doors/platforms to connect too.
The more I look at this thing, the less I like it. The concept is cool, but the execution leaves something more to be desired. Its like with last batch of terrain for 40k, just slap skulls everywhere. It makes its use extremely limiting. Its like when alot of the loyalist stuff in 40k comes with a ton of Aquilas plastered all over the model, even as a chaos player I could have been a potential customer though the prospect of filing off all those emblems makes it too prohibitve.
The hallowed knights are a stormcast chamber. Though why not use them if more stormcast releases are coming. GW want to diversify the stormcast in similar ways to marines. First lot of stuff with the stupid gold colour, second lot done in the nice greeny blue and so on. While stormcast all look the same gw can do more with "chambers" and offer different looks and examples of colours to inspire. Its more hard with chaos releases as gw limit themselves to one god at a time and rarely actively show models in other schemes
Ashiraya wrote: Doubt it. That sounds Khornate, and GW would never risk having their factions become internally nuanced.
Lol you can still be frenzied and not worship Chaos.
I wonder if this is a suggestion that some Stormcast Eternals are prone to recalling their past lives a bit more than others. Thus causing a bit of rage when they fight Chaos.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: someone told me that the hallowed knights are a "chamber" with some sort of blood rituals and frenzy type troops?
Yeeeeeeeahh...I wouldn't put any stock into that. It sounds like someone trying to be clever and associate Hallowed Knights with the Grey Knights of 40k.
But grey knights would never perform Khornate rituals! That would be terrible. So...since Draigo was watching all this stuff before...does anyone think he might cross over and become a special character that fights with the sigmarites?
Sadly, I think we got 70/30 odds on that happening. Mark my words.
timetowaste85 wrote: But grey knights would never perform Khornate rituals! That would be terrible. So...since Draigo was watching all this stuff before...does anyone think he might cross over and become a special character that fights with the sigmarites?
So...since we still don't actually have any confirmation that it was, in fact Draigo and not a Stormcast Eternal trapped within the Garden of Nurgle(remember that time has no meaning in the Realm of Chaos), can we stop with this Draigo nonsense?
"Prime" refers to Celestant-Prime, a special character (rules say you can have only 1). He wields Ghal Maraz!
There are also 51 new Citadel airbrush paints, "from the same range that we currently have... Calgar Blue, Evil Sunz Scarlet, Ultuan Grey, etc. Also a Castle Thinner."
The sucky thing about citadel airbrush paints, if they're like Forge world ones is that they will be in a pot. Dropper is SO much better than pot for airbrush. It's not even close.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: someone told me that the hallowed knights are a "chamber" with some sort of blood rituals and frenzy type troops?
Yeeeeeeeahh...I wouldn't put any stock into that. It sounds like someone trying to be clever and associate Hallowed Knights with the Grey Knights of 40k.
To be fair though, this is GW being talked about.
Actually isn't too bad of an idea. The stormcast are drawn from warriors of many tribes. Initially when they come back as it were they retain everything about who they used to be until at least they "die" to be reborn which is when they start losing their identity.
Hallowed Knights blurb from the book;
The righteous passion of the Hallowed Knights is so strong that fell magicks of their foes have little hold upon these silver-girded crusaders.
There are also 51 new Citadel airbrush paints, "from the same range that we currently have... Calgar Blue, Evil Sunz Scarlet, Ultuan Grey, etc. Also a Castle Thinner."
The sucky thing about citadel airbrush paints, if they're like Forge world ones is that they will be in a pot. Dropper is SO much better than pot for airbrush. It's not even close.
While this is probably a big enough rumor for its own thread, I would tend to disbelieve this one for three reasons. First is the source, as Faiet is anything but reliable. Second, with GW's "... if we don't sell it, it doesn't exist..." mentality it would almost force GW to sell an airbrush to use along with these airbrush paints. I would hate to see what a GW airbrush (and not a return of their "canned air" brush) would look like and what it would cost. The third reason is the source
While this is probably a big enough rumor for its own thread, I would tend to disbelieve this one for three reasons. First is the source, as Faiet is anything but reliable. Second, with GW's "... if we don't sell it, it doesn't exist..." mentality it would almost force GW to sell an airbrush to use along with these airbrush paints. I would hate to see what a GW airbrush (and not a return of their "canned air" brush) would look like and what it would cost. The third reason is the source
I'd believe it. This is literally only 8 days from pre-order (if it's true, as seems likely). It hardly qualifies as a rumour if its less than a month out. It 's most likely just an early WD copy knocking about somewhere.
Why doesn't GW just rebrand a good airbrush this time? A dual action gravity feed from badger instead of the single action would be fine. And with everything else that comes in a box in the store costing near $100 or more, the airbrush will fit right in.
It's definitely neat but haters gotta hate.
I'm sure it's the same crew that complain about every skull or aquila on a model in 40k.
Too bad about the price though. If definitely knocks it out of the realm of possibilities for your average Joe gamer.
usernamesareannoying wrote: It's definitely neat but haters gotta hate.
I'm sure it's the same crew that complain about every skull or aquila on a model in 40k.
Too bad about the price though. If definitely knocks it out of the realm of possibilities for your average Joe gamer.
Yep for me its nice, but not that nice, especially seeing as I would have to pay for someone to make it look decent for me as well !!
I can see why people hate though and if it was cheaper it would be an instant buy for so many people im sure !
I like that the dreadhold is modular scenery, and the combinations shown in the vid. I would probably be inclined to pick up one of these if it wasn't for the price. Not a huge problem, but it would have been nice if there was more diversity in the wall section floor pattern and decorations beyond skulls. I would hope that GW or FW releases god-oriented add-ons for it like they do with 40k chaos vehicles, but I won't hold my breath to that being anything probable (that's a personal wishlist don't read that as a rumor).
But skulls and spikes aside, the overall form isn't something impossible to make from scratch.
It is likely, depending on who you play, that this will cost more than most armies that will be playing on the board. Well then I remembered the prices for Sigmarines.
I think it's ugly, so im personally glad it's expensive. Would hate for that eye sore to be in my club. I much prefer the normal castle we have.
Well since the scenery is modular it's not as bad as I thought. It would cost to make something big but, overall not bad. I like the New Bloodwarriors kit.
I wanted some small part of that keep, but the prices are outrageous. The Warriors are a little pricey, but are basically perfect for my ongoing conversion project, so worth it to me.
I wonder how many people here will never actually see the Dreadfleet in real life, since it's so dang expensive...
Guildsman wrote: What an absolute joke. For the record, pointing out how ridiculous/stupid your own product is doesn't make it any less stupid.
Meh, at least they still have some sense of humor.
I mean, I despise the whole AoS debacle as much as the next guy here but GW not taking their skull fetish too serious is hardly on the top of the list.
catharsix wrote: I wanted some small part of that keep, but the prices are outrageous. The Warriors are a little pricey, but are basically perfect for my ongoing conversion project, so worth it to me.
I wonder how many people here will never actually see the Dreadfleet in real life, since it's so dang expensive...
-C6
DreadHold, I'm sure you mean
I'm sure you'll see it here and there. We have an Imperium city setup that has 2 Fortress of Redemption, a few Bastion, and a butch of wall of Martyrs that was not cheap to put together (sill much less than Dreadhold, I don't think) -- it is fantastic terrain to play on though.
The sprues look pretty cool.
I don't know why people object to the skulls/aquilla -- they ARE themed buildings.
catharsix wrote: I wanted some small part of that keep, but the prices are outrageous. The Warriors are a little pricey, but are basically perfect for my ongoing conversion project, so worth it to me.
I wonder how many people here will never actually see the Dreadfleet in real life, since it's so dang expensive...
-C6
DreadHold, I'm sure you mean
I'm sure you'll see it here and there. We have an Imperium city setup that has 2 Fortress of Redemption, a few Bastion, and a butch of wall of Martyrs that was not cheap to put together (sill much less than Dreadhold, I don't think) -- it is fantastic terrain to play on though.
The sprues look pretty cool.
I don't know why people object to the skulls/aquilla -- they ARE themed buildings.
Because they're all over the damn place. There's too much going on, it's an eyesore. I can't focus on anything, all I see are skulls. There are skulls on walls, skulls in the halls, skulls on stairs and skulls over there. Craniums on the doors, jawbones in the floors, and a bucket of teeth in the pantry. While previous terrain pieces had a lot of skulls or aquilas, it was nowhere near this bad.
Because they're all over the damn place. There's too much going on, it's an eyesore. I can't focus on anything, all I see are skulls. There are skulls on walls, skulls in the halls, skulls on stairs and skulls over there. Craniums on the doors, jawbones in the floors, and a bucket of teeth in the pantry. While previous terrain pieces had a lot of skulls or aquilas, it was nowhere near this bad.
Hahaha... I know what you mean. I would have bought less Chaos-y modular terrain, too, and am going to pass on this (I buy almost nothing Chaos). On the other hand, I'm just saying, this supposed to be the castle of the Lord of Skulls or whatever, right? So it does fit
There is a guy in our group who has been mulling Chaos for like, 2 years (lack of a good codex has been the stumbling factor; Daemonkin has helped to some degree). I'm trying to push him over the edge and convince him to buy (and paint) some of the Chaos terrain
LOL. Wow, that looks like an even bigger set than the one pictured in WD (more big towers). Or am I wrong? Aside from the rather stupendous price tag, imagine how long painting that will take. It will be Age of Sigmar 3e before it's done Of course, there will be a Duncan Rhodes video that will come out, where Duncan looks like he can polish off a fabulous looking tower in less time than it takes to wish an episode of Game of Thrones
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Hey, look, this is what Donald Trump wants to build between the US and Mexico!
I'm just happy that they're on sprues in the first place. I was worried they'd be that hard dark plastic that came in the plastic bags like a lot of recent stuff. Good to see they're proper normal terrain sprues. I wish this stuff had come out for Planet Strike.
Talys wrote: I don't know why people object to the skulls/aquilla -- they ARE themed buildings.
Huh, well I'll be... GW is not only poking fun at themselves but actually holding a contest to give something away? Its a step in the right direction at least.
While I'm pretty curious as to what will come further down the line for the forces of death, I'm also curious for what their plans are to diversify the different stormcast chambers. if thats what they are actually doing with this hallowed knights thing, which would be cool.
Because they're all over the damn place. There's too much going on, it's an eyesore. I can't focus on anything, all I see are skulls. There are skulls on walls, skulls in the halls, skulls on stairs and skulls over there. Craniums on the doors, jawbones in the floors, and a bucket of teeth in the pantry. While previous terrain pieces had a lot of skulls or aquilas, it was nowhere near this bad.
My 25 year old copy of Slaves to darkness says otherwise, its chaos, expect skulls, nothing changed there for years.
I hope the bloodthirster sized sigmarine is real, kinda want that... On the fortress thing, I guess the point is for multiple people to buy each piece and combine it when needed.
The blood warriors look great and the price isn't actually too bad considering many thought they'd be priced in a similar way to the stormcast at £30 for 5 so win - win there.
As for the castle, looks amazing but way too much money but then I'm not buying any scenery anyway so wont effect me.
Way too many skulls (as usual ) but oh my, overall that is one impressive kit. An amazing centrepiece.
The price though is very steep even for the smaller formations.
I really love the summoners gate and redoubt but over €200 is fairly darn steep for a terrain kit.
Motograter wrote: The blood warriors look great and the price isn't actually too bad considering many thought they'd be priced in a similar way to the stormcast at £30 for 5 so win - win there.
Yeah, not really. They're comparable in gameplay terms to Chaos Warriors which are 12 for £20. "They're not as expensive as something else that's even more overpriced, therefore it's win-win"
I usually don't bat an eye at GW prices, but Jesus Christ on a motorbike is that fortress expensive. I can't see many people buying it. Even the smaller pieces are exorbitant. Blood Warriors are also way too expensive. I tend to think that the Terminator/Wraithguard prices are the upper limit for either 5 bigger guys or 10 smaller guys. These guys are what, $10 more expensive? Yeah, no.
edit: The Blood Warriors are even more expensive than the much maligned Witch Elves. Think about that for a moment.
toasteroven wrote: These prices do leave me staring. I mean, who is the target customer? That fortress costs more than I spent on my car.
Who has this sort of money to spend all at once.
I think most people who are going to buy it will do it in pieces (and play the other configurations). Aside from the cost of the Chaos Hut, it's just way too big for the vast majority of gamers, and will take a crazy amount of time to give it a paintjob that does it justice (and really, who is going to buy a set that costs that much and not paint it nicely?). The fort is more than 4' from end to end at its widest point, and even the large AoS models (eg bloodthirster) look very small against it.
Motograter wrote: The blood warriors look great and the price isn't actually too bad considering many thought they'd be priced in a similar way to the stormcast at £30 for 5 so win - win there.
As for the castle, looks amazing but way too much money but then I'm not buying any scenery anyway so wont effect me.
GW is winning its propaganda campaign against you! Don't give in so easy. Just because something else is totally overprice doesn't mean it's a WIN if something else isn't *as* overpriced!
Well, also the Khorne guys are more the size of Chaos Warriors, as compared to the Sigmarites which are terminator-sized. So seeing them priced like terminators would have been horrifying! (Though sadly unsurprising)
Honestly, I feel like what is really going to keep AOS from lasting will be the price of the new kits. The box set was good, but these new kits are all quite overpriced by about 15-20%. That dreadhold doesn't help the image of the game as reasonably priced either. Especially when the game is so lose in terms of structure.
It was what I was afraid GW would take from dwindling WHFB sales-
"It looks like cost of the game was a major factor in loss of sales."
"Well then we should cut the size of games down..."
"That should help alleviate the problem, yes."
"...and then increase the costs by 30%!"
I quite like the idea of the gate and wall for chaos themed 40k battles... it would be cool having that down the middle of our RoB board. I'm not overly excited by the design but I think it will look cool on the table... I dunno why but i'm not really feeling the other stuff for 40k, maybe its the triangular forts, I wish they were square.
Accolade wrote: Well, also the Khorne guys are more the size of Chaos Warriors, as compared to the Sigmarites which are terminator-sized. So seeing them priced like terminators would have been horrifying! (Though sadly unsurprising)
Honestly, I feel like what is really going to keep AOS from lasting will be the price of the new kits. The box set was good, but these new kits are all quite overpriced by about 15-20%. That dreadhold doesn't help the image of the game as reasonably priced either. Especially when the game is so lose in terms of structure.
It was what I was afraid would take from dwindling WHFB sales-
"It looks like cost of the game was a major factor in loss of sales." "Well then we should cut the size of games down..." "That should help alleviate the problem, yes." "...and then increase the costs by 30%!"
The AoS stuff really isn't any more expensive than any other (recent) GW kits,
you may (I do) or may not think a lot of their stuff is too expensive, but they've not increased their costs (and certainly not by anything like 30%)
Blood Warriors are way overpriced and I think the starter set ones look better. I still want a box but can't take much more of this before I go back to buying historicals with 40 models for £20.
Seeing the sprues I like the terrain more, I might consider getting 1 tower but that's about it since it's all I could afford anyway. I think the painted pics make it look too gaudy with all the gold and stuff. It would look better just painted in a solid lighter gray or sandy color more like stone.
That's the weird part. On the one hand, the rules heavily cater to very young and / or very unexperienced players, but on the other hand, the models required to play said games are vastly overpriced.
Sigvatr wrote: That's the weird part. On the one hand, the rules heavily cater to very young and / or very unexperienced players, but on the other hand, the models required to play said games are vastly overpriced.
The models appeal to kids. Always have. When did you get into Warhammer? Less-strict competitive rules appeal to more mature gamers.
Love the Bloodwarriors in the starter but don't like the uncovered arms in this pack. Hmm.
Bull0 wrote: Sure it is. Blood Angels Tactical Squad - £28. Blood Warriors - £37.50. Pretty much directly comparable.
The bloodreavers weren't too bad, paladins were OK given their relative ingame power, but everything else has been nutty.
If you look at GW's current pricing tiers, you have basic infantry, specialist infantry, and then large infantry (50mm). Specialist infantry includes models like devastator marines -- the difference is that they're usually sold in boxes of 5, not 10.
Sigvatr wrote: That's the weird part. On the one hand, the rules heavily cater to very young and / or very unexperienced players, but on the other hand, the models required to play said games are vastly overpriced.
The models appeal to kids. Always have. When did you get into Warhammer? Less-strict competitive rules appeal to more mature gamers.
Love the Bloodwarriors in the starter but don't like the uncovered arms in this pack. Hmm.
I think the models have the same type of aesthetic as World of Warcraft (or the other way around, since FB/40k came first) -- which has appeal over all age categories. I would tend to agree that less-strict competitive rules appeal to more mature gamers.
Ashiraya wrote: I'd argue the Blood Warriors look nothing like World of Warcraft.
I meant, generally speaking, not a specific model. In the same sense, there are many races in WoW, and they don't look like each other. They share in common generally heroic attributes, over-the-top weapons, bulging muscles and shoulders for the men, svelte waistlines for the women, etc. The villains are extra-villainous and the heroes are extra-heroic. They are meant to be fantastic more than realistic.
If you took GW models and plunked them into WoW, generally speaking, they'd feel quite at home.
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The Celestant Prime
move 12", save 3+, 8 wounds, bravery 10
Can fly
Two weapons
Ghal Maraz R2" Attacks 2 Hit 3+ Wound 2+ Rend -3 damage 3
The Commetstrike Sceptre- calls down a comet from the heavens. Pick a point on the board within 24" and roll a die; any model within the die's range of the point takes d3 mortal wounds.
The Celestant Prime does not start the battle on the table. Instead he is in the Celestial Realm drawing additional power into Ghal Maraz. Each round decide whether or not he will enter the battlefield during the movement phase. For each round he stays in the Celestial Realm, he gains 2 additional attacks with Ghal Maraz.
When he comes on, set him up outside 9" from enemy models anywhere on the board. He can't move any further, and any enemy models within 12" lose 2 bravery until the next hero phase.
Once per round, the mystical energies that swirl around his feet, grant him insight. You can change one die roll of your choice for the Celestant Prime before modifiers.
Sigvatr wrote: That's the weird part. On the one hand, the rules heavily cater to very young and / or very unexperienced players, but on the other hand, the models required to play said games are vastly overpriced.
The models appeal to kids. Always have. When did you get into Warhammer? Less-strict competitive rules appeal to more mature gamers.
I don't know what kids and adults some of you have been playing with... In my experience the less strict 'forge a narrative' rulesets like AoS appeal more to a younger audience, while the tight, balanced rulesets appeal more to a mature audience. Certainly tournaments are filled with the latter and not the former, not to mention that sufficiently young players will likely use the rules as a guideline rather than law anyways. All of it adds up to a game that is pulling itself in different directions; darker fluff with mature themes (though execution is debatable), high-quality and high-priced models, but then an apparent orientation of marketing (in terms of rules and certain model aesthetics) towards younger players.
Really its a simple consequence of GW proudly doing no market research and deciding for themselves what the consumer wants. Sometimes they get it right, or right-ish, and this has kept them doing well despite the poor decisions, but now years the policy of cuts/price raises for short-term-benefit-long-term-loss is catching up to them. Three straight financial reports of falling sales speak for the success of their strategy, not to mention lost growth over the course of the last decade that we can only guess at.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I don't know what kids and adults some of you have been playing with... In my experience the less strict 'forge a narrative' rulesets like AoS appeal more to a younger audience, while the tight, balanced rulesets appeal more to a mature audience. Certainly tournaments are filled with the latter and not the former, not to mention that sufficiently young players will likely use the rules as a guideline rather than law anyways. All of it adds up to a game that is pulling itself in different directions; darker fluff with mature themes (though execution is debatable), high-quality and high-priced models, but then an apparent orientation of marketing (in terms of rules and certain model aesthetics) towards younger players.
Its all subjective, and im sure people would rather we not discuss it in this thread.
Im tempted to get the wall section "magebane wall" today, at least until the time comes to confirm my order anyway !
Looks really good but you can get much more for your money elsewhere and by the time im done with it they will both look poor anyway lol.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I don't know what kids and adults some of you have been playing with... In my experience the less strict 'forge a narrative' rulesets like AoS appeal more to a younger audience, while the tight, balanced rulesets appeal more to a mature audience. Certainly tournaments are filled with the latter and not the former, not to mention that sufficiently young players will likely use the rules as a guideline rather than law anyways. All of it adds up to a game that is pulling itself in different directions; darker fluff with mature themes (though execution is debatable), high-quality and high-priced models, but then an apparent orientation of marketing (in terms of rules and certain model aesthetics) towards younger players.
Its all subjective, and im sure people would rather we not discuss it in this thread.
Im tempted to get the wall section "magebane wall" today, at least until the time comes to confirm my order anyway !
Looks really good but you can get much more for your money elsewhere and by the time im done with it they will both look poor anyway lol.
Pretty much, Im sure you could commission someone to build a table & fort of comparable size painted, for less money.
Yeah, he looks totally baffled... under his fully enclosed helmet
That's just how baffled the poor fellow is. His befuddlement is powerful enough to radiate through armor.
(Mainly I think it's the pose. He looks like he's holding the weapon out from himself and examining it, rather than fighting. And it's one odd duck of a weapon)
I don't have time to paint or use Dreadhold but I will buy it anyway because I like it. It will look great gathering dust on my shelf . All I need to figure out is which combination of pieces to get. One Overlord Bastion and one Malefic Gate should get me at least one of each part, right?
Blood Warriors are bad. Like Bloodreavers, being multipart with obvious joints makes them look much worse than onepose models from AoS starter set . They aren't quite Forsaken-bad, but not much better either. The new and improved pricetag adds to the insult
NinthMusketeer wrote: I don't know what kids and adults some of you have been playing with... In my experience the less strict 'forge a narrative' rulesets like AoS appeal more to a younger audience, while the tight, balanced rulesets appeal more to a mature audience. Certainly tournaments are filled with the latter and not the former, not to mention that sufficiently young players will likely use the rules as a guideline rather than law anyways. All of it adds up to a game that is pulling itself in different directions; darker fluff with mature themes (though execution is debatable), high-quality and high-priced models, but then an apparent orientation of marketing (in terms of rules and certain model aesthetics) towards younger players.
Its all subjective, and im sure people would rather we not discuss it in this thread.
Fair enough. What I said is a bit off topic.
Anyways, I echo sentiments about the price of the skull terrain but the new blood-whatevers don't seem to be too far out of line with normal GW pricing. There are plenty $50 10-man kits for elite infantry that are not as large or as detailed as these ones, or equivalent $30 5-man kits. Don't get me wrong; I think they are expensive as hell and not worth the price except to big Khorne fans, but I'm not surprised by the price point either. Like someone else mentioned, I also find them... underwhelming compared to the (cheaper) ones from the starter. The bare arms looks weird and on the whole the details just don't feel cohesive somehow. To me the new ones look OTT enough to be silly, while I found the starter ones to look great with the same level of anti-heroic style.
The Celestant Prime
move 12", save 3+, 8 wounds, bravery 10
Can fly
Two weapons
Ghal Maraz R2" Attacks 2 Hit 3+ Wound 2+ Rend -3 damage 3
The Commetstrike Sceptre- calls down a comet from the heavens. Pick a point on the board within 24" and roll a die; any model within the die's range of the point takes d3 mortal wounds.
The Celestant Prime does not start the battle on the table. Instead he is in the Celestial Realm drawing additional power into Ghal Maraz. Each round decide whether or not he will enter the battlefield during the movement phase. For each round he stays in the Celestial Realm, he gains 2 additional attacks with Ghal Maraz.
When he comes on, set him up outside 9" from enemy models anywhere on the board. He can't move any further, and any enemy models within 12" lose 2 bravery until the next hero phase.
Once per round, the mystical energies that swirl around his feet, grant him insight. You can change one die roll of your choice for the Celestant Prime before modifiers.
I hope to god he is the size of a bloodthirster, sigmarines would make great daemon army for 40k...
I hope to god he is the size of a bloodthirster, sigmarines would make great daemon army for 40k...
Well, Sigmar is a god, and he created the stormcast, whom comes back to him when they die, so they are kinda Sigmar daemons
Anyway, even thought i'm into fantasy, I find those release boring .. ( not to mentionoverpriced ) I'm glad stormcasts are over soon, so GW can do more exiting stuff.
Also, i've read The gate of Azyr, The realgate war, and most of Ghal Maraz. Not bad but it only narates battles, and the world is not much describe, sadly.
In an earlier post i said I'd probably get the Blood Warriors since they're perfect for my project. The. I saw that they $124 for ten. $12+ per model! What the frak? Hell no GW. Hell no.
catharsix wrote: In an earlier post i said I'd probably get the Blood Warriors since they're perfect for my project. The. I saw that they $124 for ten. $12+ per model! What the frak? Hell no GW. Hell no.
catharsix wrote: In an earlier post i said I'd probably get the Blood Warriors since they're perfect for my project. The. I saw that they $124 for ten. $12+ per model! What the frak? Hell no GW. Hell no.
You're right. Feel kinda silly now. But with GW's obscene pricing shenanigans these days, it's not all that absurd seeming. Now I have to decide if they're worth $62...
Im not sure if anyone has noticed or pointed it out yet, but its quite clear there is literally no interior detailing for the arch pieces. Look how noticeable it is compared to the outside. Theres literally not a shred of detail on the inside. I understand you wont see it much but even some basic texture would have been nice. It reeks of lazyness.
It isn't an arch, it's a section of wall. There isn't any inside detail because you aren't meant to see/place models inside it. You're meant to use the gate/keeps.
That said, it's pretty poor that GW don't supply any actual pieces separately or with the walls to block the ends off, forcing you to use a gate or keep (or but another set to get an ending plate).
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It isn't an arch, it's a section of wall. There isn't any inside detail because you aren't meant to see/place models inside it. You're meant to use the gate/keeps.
That said, it's pretty poor that GW don't supply any actual pieces separately or with the walls to block the ends off, forcing you to use a gate or keep (or but another set to get an ending plate).
I wonder if the wide part of another wall would fit?
I own a massive amount of GW scenery, but I think I'll be holding off on this one. I'll get the book, see how often it would ever get used in a scenario. But probably will only be picking up a kit when i want something for a project or conversion.
I just don't need another bunch of scenery taking up shelf space, unless it's getting used.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It isn't an arch, it's a section of wall. There isn't any inside detail because you aren't meant to see/place models inside it. You're meant to use the gate/keeps.
That said, it's pretty poor that GW don't supply any actual pieces separately or with the walls to block the ends off, forcing you to use a gate or keep (or but another set to get an ending plate).
That's not accurate, though.
The wall section isn't even sold by itself through retail or independents. The only way you can buy one by itself is web order (direct), as an add-on to your other keep parts. When you buy the wall section as a part of the kit it comes in, both ends are finished (one with a tower, the other with an end piece).
I own a massive amount of GW scenery, but I think I'll be holding off on this one. I'll get the book, see how often it would ever get used in a scenario. But probably will only be picking up a kit when i want something for a project or conversion.
I just don't need another bunch of scenery taking up shelf space, unless it's getting used.
This describes my situation completely. It's to specifically themed, not part of another collection, and too large for me to just buy as more scenery. I really like terrain, but since I'm not going to go all out and populate a giant table with Chaos scenery, having a few pieces just isn't helpful.
If they had made more Wall of Martyrs or Cities of Death, I would have snapped it up though
If they make an Eldar or Tau "Cities of Death" type scenery... OMG. I would go crazy. It's all I would paint for like 3 years.
Looking at it more, it's really designed as a modeling show piece, not a gaming piece. It's just too big to function on the average tabletop. Fine for some, but it's not for me.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It isn't an arch, it's a section of wall. There isn't any inside detail because you aren't meant to see/place models inside it. You're meant to use the gate/keeps.
That said, it's pretty poor that GW don't supply any actual pieces separately or with the walls to block the ends off, forcing you to use a gate or keep (or but another set to get an ending plate).
That's not accurate, though.
The wall section isn't even sold by itself through retail or independents. The only way you can buy one by itself is web order (direct), as an add-on to your other keep parts. When you buy the wall section as a part of the kit it comes in, both ends are finished (one with a tower, the other with an end piece).
The single wall piece isn't Direct Only, the bundle with 4 is. Plus bundles like 'Magabane Wall' (Gate and Walls) don't come with endcaps. The Gate by itself doesn't have any ends and t's kit doesn't come with endcaps. You HAVE to buy one of the mage-mega expensive bundles or buy Skull Keep or the Overlord Bastion to not have holes at the end of your wall (Overlord Bastion is the ONLY set that isn't a one-click bundle that comes with endcaps, and even then it only has one).
Spartan089 wrote: Im not sure if anyone has noticed or pointed it out yet, but its quite clear there is literally no interior detailing for the arch pieces. Look how noticeable it is compared to the outside. Theres literally not a shred of detail on the inside. I understand you wont see it much but even some basic texture would have been nice. It reeks of lazyness.
Does it? It's the inside of a wall. Why would they texture the inside of a wall that you're never going to see?
Spartan089 wrote:
Im not sure if anyone has noticed or pointed it out yet, but its quite clear there is literally no interior detailing for the arch pieces. Look how noticeable it is compared to the outside. Theres literally not a shred of detail on the inside. I understand you wont see it much but even some basic texture would have been nice. It reeks of lazyness.
The interior decorator hired by the Bloody Blood Bloodthirsty Bloodwarriors, ran out of skulls. Apparently the economic crisis hit the worlds of AoS too.
The single wall piece isn't Direct Only, the bundle with 4 is. Plus bundles like 'Magabane Wall' (Gate and Walls) don't come with endcaps. The Gate by itself doesn't have any ends and t's kit doesn't come with endcaps. You HAVE to buy one of the mage-mega expensive bundles or buy Skull Keep or the Overlord Bastion to not have holes at the end of your wall (Overlord Bastion is the ONLY set that isn't a one-click bundle that comes with endcaps, and even then it only has one).
I suppose you can cap off the ends of the walls with either towers or gates (this is what happens with one end of the Bastion). So a reasonable setup requiring no endcaps is:
Tower - wall - gate - wall - Tower
But you are right; it would be better if they sold the endcaps (without buying the bastion) for people who wanted walls to just end flush.
By the way, thanks for pointing out that the 4-pack is web only, and the single is a normal order item. Which is so crazy, since the 4-pack is just 4x the price of the single.
Edit -- you know what's funny? I don't think the big, thousand-dollar set (the infernal realmfort) uses any end-caps If you look at the Bastion, you can see the endcap has a different demon head thing, and the Realmfort doesn't use it at either end of the circle (presumably because it's closed by a gate, instead of a wall-end).
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toasteroven wrote: Looking at it more, it's really designed as a modeling show piece, not a gaming piece. It's just too big to function on the average tabletop. Fine for some, but it's not for me.
I think the smaller configurations are usable as gaming terrain. I agree that the big chaos-star configuration is not playable for the vast majority of game tables. You'd essentially have nothing else on the table, and no practical way to travel around the fort or lay siege from the sides.
Besides, if you had the big set all built up, you'd need a LOT of models to make it make sense, and AoS is not a good ruleset for that many models. At least, I've yet to meet anyone who thinks it is
That's not how GW rolls. If no one buys it, the price will go up. Higher price means more profits, right? I mean, it's not like high prices ever stopped someone from buying plastic crack, right?
Matt.Kingsley wrote: That's not how GW rolls. If no one buys it, the price will go up. Higher price means more profits, right? I mean, it's not like high prices ever stopped someone from buying plastic crack, right?
This is not inaccurate. If something doesn't sell in volume, GW pulls it from regular channel to direct, which effectively increases the price (no discounts, higher margin for GW).
On the other hand, per cubic centimeter of terrain, these pieces are not really that extraordinarily priced. It just looks extraordinary because GW put together a spectacularly huge bundle that less than 0.1% of its players will be able to use on their gaming table.
If you've bought prefab terrain, it's all pretty expensive, and most of it isn't modular, certainly not enough to build something like the dreadfort configurations shown.
“YESSS!!!! The rules. The model is as big as Nagash, and standing on a celestrial fulgrim that looks more like the top of a Numinous Occulum. He is wielding the Ghal Maraz in his right hand, with wings fashioned after the prosecutor models, but bigger. One picture shows him towering over the Glottkin model.”
You need 16 to make a full circle, and the gates themselves both count as 2 and come with two wall sections. The overloads come with a wall section each, so if I pinched two of them, add 2 extra wall sections that's 16.
I think the smaller configurations are usable as gaming terrain. I agree that the big chaos-star configuration is not playable for the vast majority of game tables. You'd essentially have nothing else on the table, and no practical way to travel around the fort or lay siege from the sides.
Besides, if you had the big set all built up, you'd need a LOT of models to make it make sense, and AoS is not a good ruleset for that many models. At least, I've yet to meet anyone who thinks it is
Yeah, that's what I was picturing. "Well, it looks great, but... where do I put my army?"
That said, I could actually see getting the 25$ wall piece and converting it up into its own independent piece of scenery... if only it weren't so skully.
On the other releases, I just want to see them get past the sigmarine and khorne fellas. Neither army holds much interest me, and the general hugeness of the models turns me off even more. I like the little guys, and they don't seem to be part of the current envisioning of the game.
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane. And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane.
And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
Me too. If it's well-executed, it'll be an auto-buy for me. I just can't picture a giant version of any of the current models, but most of GW's large premium models are well-executed, so I'll just impatiently wait for the leaks.
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane.
And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
Me too. If it's well-executed, it'll be an auto-buy for me. I just can't picture a giant version of any of the current models, but most of GW's large premium models are well-executed, so I'll just impatiently wait for the leaks.
Nagash isn't actually that big, provided you remove the spirits that are swirling around him and propping him up as a base.
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane.
And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
Me too. If it's well-executed, it'll be an auto-buy for me. I just can't picture a giant version of any of the current models, but most of GW's large premium models are well-executed, so I'll just impatiently wait for the leaks.
Nagash isn't actually that big, provided you remove the spirits that are swirling around him and propping him up as a base.
Well, he is about 25-30 feet tall.
Just the spirits and hat make him look closer to 50.
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane.
And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
Too easy. Er, I'll get me coat...
Urgh Sigmar forbid that we have more crap like that.........
Hanskrampf wrote: The Prime sounds insane.
And as big as Nagash? I can't really picture a Sigmarine that tall. I'm curious as how that model will look.
I am kinda disappointed with it, most of it is swirly energy things, you could most probably convert a similar for half the price (if he is bloodthirster/nagash price) I will not be buying it if it is nagash price, might as well convert one of the angel normal dudes...
@ Az: looking at how his weapon (Ghal I believe?) is just wafting straight up despite his upward trajectory, I'm wondering if maybe GW is choosing to go for model posability over dynamism. I feel like this guy would require some adjustments to make him look like he's actually moving through the air.
@ Az: looking at how his weapon (Ghal I believe?) is just wafting straight up despite his upward trajectory, I'm wondering if maybe GW is choosing to go for model posability over dynamism. I feel like this guy would require some adjustments to make him look like he's actually moving through the air.
I believe you're mistaking the Cometstrike Scepter in his left hand for Ghal Maraz which is in his right hand.
@ Az: looking at how his weapon (Ghal I believe?) is just wafting straight up despite his upward trajectory, I'm wondering if maybe GW is choosing to go for model posability over dynamism. I feel like this guy would require some adjustments to make him look like he's actually moving through the air.
I believe you're mistaking the Cometstrike Scepter in his left hand for Ghal Maraz which is in his right hand.
Ah yes, that's so painfully obvious! Thanks Ghaz
Well, point still standing- perhaps if his Cometstrike Scepter were flowing with the up and forward motion he is undergoing, I think it would help a lot to add that dynamic feel.
Sure thing. By the way, it's worth noting that the scepter and hammer appear to be in different positions on the differently painted models. My favorite is the first pic.
Huh. I feel like I want to have an opinion on the model but can't see past the swirly bits on the bottom. I can see what they are trying to portray, but it just looks weird and altogether off. The swirls keep pulling at my attention and I can't help but think that the model would look much different if they were painted differently. With that and a proper pose/repose on the flame and other bits to better show a sense of motion it could be quite good, but as is I'm just not sure what to think.
Well, after seeing the other pics, hes bettrr than i first tought. Still, its a rather boring sculpt in a game that seems to be severly lacking variety
streetsamurai wrote: Well, after seeing the other pics, hes bettrr than i first tought. Still, its a rather boring sculpt in a game that seems to be severly lacking variety
streetsamurai wrote: Well, after seeing the other pics, hes bettrr than i first tought. Still, its a rather boring sculpt in a game that seems to be severly lacking variety
You mean a faction, not a game, right?
No i mean game. Sure we still can use the other factions from whfb, but for the most part, we dont know if their aesthetic will change or if it will stay the same.
At this point, i think that the only real AoS factions are the sigmarines, chaos and skaven to a lesser extent ( i dont count sylvaneth, as they have way to few models).
After reports of him 'towering over Glotkin' I was expecting something...more. He's actually only slightly bigger than a normal Sigmarite by the looks of things. It's definitely not worth Nagash price, I hope that's not how much he is...
But just like with Space Marines I'm sure it won't negatively affect sales, either. Looking at how popular Marines and especially the Horus Heresy are, and how much seething hate those fans have for almost literally every other faction in 40k, it seems to me like no one really wants or cares much about variety in the first place.
ImAGeek wrote: After reports of him 'towering over Glotkin' I was expecting something...more. He's actually only slightly bigger than a normal Sigmarite by the looks of things. It's definitely not worth Nagash price, I hope that's not how much he is...
This is what Dante should look like. He is a Lord of War, after all, and he smashes things into tiny little bits. I wonder if anyone would mind if I used Mr. Prime as a proxy for him
I disagree completely, I think Dante looks fine just as he is. He's actually one of my favorite GW models and I think it would completely ruin him if they made him look insanely over the top like this...thing.
ImAGeek wrote: After reports of him 'towering over Glotkin' I was expecting something...more. He's actually only slightly bigger than a normal Sigmarite by the looks of things. It's definitely not worth Nagash price, I hope that's not how much he is...
This is what Dante should look like. He is a Lord of War, after all, and he smashes things into tiny little bits. I wonder if anyone would mind if I used Mr. Prime as a proxy for him
Not Dante, but definitely the Sanguinor. First thing that popped into my head
This is what Dante should look like. He is a Lord of War, after all, and he smashes things into tiny little bits. I wonder if anyone would mind if I used Mr. Prime as a proxy for him
Not Dante, but definitely the Sanguinor. First thing that popped into my head
Yeah, I thought of Sanguinor too, but he's more like a regular prosecutor. This guy is way too big for him
I'd say the actual Sanguinor model profits from a way better design than this... thing. At least it's a model aimed for tabletop wargaming. The flying Sigmarine looks like another showcase model. I mean, are people actually supposed to be carrying that thing around?
This is what Dante should look like. He is a Lord of War, after all, and he smashes things into tiny little bits. I wonder if anyone would mind if I used Mr. Prime as a proxy for him
Not Dante, but definitely the Sanguinor. First thing that popped into my head
Yeah, I thought of Sanguinor too, but he's more like a regular prosecutor. This guy is way too big for him
Of Sanguinor and Dante, I'd say there's a much better case for the Sanguinor being bigger than a norma marine. Dante is after all still just a regular Space Marine, while the Sanguinor is some kind of what, supernatural ghost daemon thingy.
I'm 43 and looking at retirement in 10 years so maybe then I can spend some more time learning how to paint. 
