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In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war! In the dying years of the 41st Millennium there is no peace amongst the stars, only brutal warfare and planetary conquest. The Battle for Vedros brings all the action onto your tabletop. You command armies of models in a game of daring, cunning and untold slaughter.
The Battle for Vedros Starter Set allows you to fight out battles between the mighty Space Marines and feral Orks. As well as great models for you to build and play with, it includes the tale of the invasion of Vedros and all the rules you need to play.
Contains: 4 BFV Starter Sets 4 BFV Paint Sets 3 BFV Space Marine Attack Bike 3 BFV Ork Wartrakk 3 BFV Space Marines 3 BFV Ork Boyz 3 BFV Ork Gretchin 3 BFV Space Marine Bike 1 BFV Dispenser
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Contains: 1 Space Marine Captain 6 Tactical Space Marines 1 Space Marine Terminator 1 Space Marine Dreadnought 1 Ork Warboss 5 Ork Nobz 12 Ork Boyz 1 Ork Deffkopta 1 Battle for Vedros rulebook 8 Dice
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1 Balthasar Gold 1 Reikland Fleshshade 1 Agrellan Earth 1 Imperial Primer 1 Ceramite White 1 Nuln Oil 1 Leadbelcher
Also contains: 1 Starter Brush 1 Step-by-step instructions
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Gotta love the pictures of the Bright and motivated 10 year olds, painting and playing on a table that is obviously incredibly well made and set up by adults.
Would have been refreshing for them to show a more likely scenario, where the kids play on a kitchen table with coke bottles and shoeboxes as terrain, and with models that look like they where dunked into the paintpots and left to dry.
WARHAMMER 40000: Battle for Vedros
Will not be available through Games Workshop.
so it probably means the online discounters will not get hold of this either (or if they do they'll have to buy full 'sets' and so may not pass on as much discount as expected)
WARHAMMER 40000: Battle for Vedros
Will not be available through Games Workshop.
so it probably means the online discounters will not get hold of this either (or if they do they'll have to buy full 'sets' and so may not pass on as much discount as expected)
Why wouldn't they? There are only so many distributors who handle this type of product and I don't see GW running the distribution on their own (if they could pull that off, they'd already be doing it). I think that just means you won't be able to buy it in a GW store or through their webstore. This last makes sense since they recently hired people to sell this product to toy, hobby, and other non-traditional gaming outlets.
WARHAMMER 40000: Battle for Vedros
Will not be available through Games Workshop.
so it probably means the online discounters will not get hold of this either (or if they do they'll have to buy full 'sets' and so may not pass on as much discount as expected)
Those sets are sold as full pre packaged displays for retail locations. When I worked for toys are us, we'd get those in for all kinds of products (hot wheels, kites, Disney movies, batteries, etc). So online discounters most likely won't have any access through regular channels.
WARHAMMER 40000: Battle for Vedros
Will not be available through Games Workshop.
so it probably means the online discounters will not get hold of this either (or if they do they'll have to buy full 'sets' and so may not pass on as much discount as expected)
Those sets are sold as full pre packaged displays for retail locations. When I worked for toys are us, we'd get those in for all kinds of products (hot wheels, kites, Disney movies, batteries, etc). So online discounters most likely won't have any access through regular channels.
Of course because of the stores they are going into it's going to be well worth keeping an eye out locally
as if they aren't working locally (or within a chain that practicice top down stocking) toy stores are much more likely to blow the out with massive discounts to get them out of the way than hobby stores ever would be
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Of course because of the stores they are going into it's going to be well worth keeping an eye out locally
as if they aren't working locally (or within a chain that practicice top down stocking) toy stores are much more likely to blow the out with massive discounts to get them out of the way than hobby stores ever would be
Now you've got me all misty-eyed, remembering picking up Battlemasters as a youth. It was in a bargain bin at Wal-Mart for $6.
It was a well-spent $6. A friend and I played many wars out on the kitchen floor.
Hopefully Hobby Lobby will get it so I can get it for 40% off. I would buy a number of these things. $9 per bike after discount is much better than the $40 for 3 bikes.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Hopefully Hobby Lobby will get it so I can get it for 40% off. I would buy a number of these things. $9 per bike after discount is much better than the $40 for 3 bikes.
TrueValue....the hardware store chain..... well you go where others would not think, maybe a father picking up some trimmer line will see it and remember playing it when he was a kid and buy it for his kid/kids. Too bad by brother in law works for Ace hardware instead of True Value, I could see pestering him to order me a whole rack at cost
Holy moly. That starter set is a hell of a value for an ork player.
Aobr gave you 8 more boyz and 2 more koptas for nearly twice the price. Anyone looking to build a core of an ork army, buying two of these boxes would be a fantastic start.
the_scotsman wrote: Holy moly. That starter set is a hell of a value for an ork player.
Aobr gave you 8 more boyz and 2 more koptas for nearly twice the price. Anyone looking to build a core of an ork army, buying two of these boxes would be a fantastic start.
If I ever see one slightly cheaper, I might actually get one. Half a dozen Tacs aren't really much use save as test paint fodder, but the Orks are all nice sculpts (and who doesn't need more Orks?). Even if only for another copy of the AoBR Captain and Warboss (two of my favourite models) and the Dread (apart from the lack of options, every bit as good as the multi-part ones) it's a good set.
Here is the question: Is this going to really capture new customers or simply get veteran gamers to drive to new locations to buy discounted minis and cut back on online retail sales?
SickSix wrote: Here is the question: Is this going to really capture new customers or simply get veteran gamers to drive to new locations to buy discounted minis and cut back on online retail sales?
God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
Especially given it's the same crappy 3rd Ed Wartrakk from when Gorkamorka was released in 1997.
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
The kind of hilarious thing is that I would guess that the original mold for that thing would have long worn out by this point. They've probably made a new mold for that wartrak design at some point.
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
It's being marketed to toy store customers, rather than miniatures enthusiasts. And in that market, it's a perfectly acceptable sculpt.
As dated as the 2nd ed/Gorkamorka orks may look by current wargaming standards, they're still better than a lot of current action figures.
Anybody have pictures of the actual sprues in these? We've seen 'example' models but never gotten a definitive picture of what's in each box to my knowledge
TheWaspinator wrote: The kind of hilarious thing is that I would guess that the original mold for that thing would have long worn out by this point. They've probably made a new mold for that wartrak design at some point.
Then you may want to educate yourself on the subject, those steel molds are only having soft plastic put through them. Air fix has molds that are now over fifty years old and they are still in use!
tarnish wrote: Gotta love the pictures of the Bright and motivated 10 year olds, painting and playing on a table that is obviously incredibly well made and set up by adults.
Would have been refreshing for them to show a more likely scenario, where the kids play on a kitchen table with coke bottles and shoeboxes as terrain, and with models that look like they where dunked into the paintpots and left to dry.
Having run wargames for a children's program - it actually does not look unlikely at all.
Bright and motivated kids do exist. (The children's program was The University School Festival for Creative Youth - and was aimed at exactly that, the bright and motivated.)
I brought a box of printed PDF terrain, and let the kids build their own buildings - some were quite good.
The Auld Grump- once upon a time I was one of the bright and motivated kids.
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triplegrim wrote: A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.
I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"
If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.
Again - the kids in my class were all colors and backgrounds.
One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)
Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)
One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)
Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)
Not all of the players are sweaty fat white boys.
Mordheim was a good game to recruit people with but doesnt exist anymore, and pathfinder is an RPG, which does have appeal to ladies.
But I have never seen any girls play 40k. Even a search on youtube brought up a few war machine videos, but little on 40k, apart from 2 interviews with norwegian girls, humorously enough. GW might try to expand into the female marked, but I doubt Ork Wartrucks are the right product for that.
There are a few of hobby shop employees that I know of that are women who play / collect / model 40k (or did at some point), and my wife enjoys AoS. But by an order of magnitude, especially in terms of time/money/commitment, the gaming and hobby population that I know of is predominantly male.
One Asian girl with an Irish name is in my current campaign - she was one of my students, lo! these many years ago. (She is also in my Pathfinder game.)
Another girl beat the tar out of my Mordheim warband with her Orcs and Goblins - care to guess the color of her hair? (It was beautiful - she got her goblin archers into the gallery of a ruined church, and rained death down upon my undead.)
Not all of the players are sweaty fat white boys.
Mordheim was a good game to recruit people with but doesnt exist anymore, and pathfinder is an RPG, which does have appeal to ladies.
But I have never seen any girls play 40k. Even a search on youtube brought up a few war machine videos, but little on 40k, apart from 2 interviews with norwegian girls, humorously enough. GW might try to expand into the female marked, but I doubt Ork Wartrucks are the right product for that.
I knew 3 at University, but all feared the local GW and avoided it like hell because of all the blokes who kept either trying to hit on them, refusing to leave them alone, or trying to prove they weren't 'real' gamers. One played Orks.
I've run into similar scenarios with things like D&D. The male fanbase reaction to seeing them tends to keep the female fanbase on the low key. There's a reason that even online in forums, a number of girls pretend to be male or refuse to specify a sex/gender.
triplegrim wrote: A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.
I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"
If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.
Rather than criticising a diverse portrayal, how about embracing and encouraging it? A derogatory attitude towards diverse imagery is worrying, and helps perpetuate the reasons why gaming is predominantly white cud middle-aged males.
Yeah, that kind of "girls don't play games" attitude is very self-fulfilling. It's highly likely that you don't see many women at those tournaments for the very reason that whenever they do show up, this kind of dismissive attitude chases them off.
And yeah, I've seen women pretend to be men online, too. The WoW guild I used to be in had several women playing male characters and they said it was partly so that random people wouldn't harass them as much.
triplegrim wrote: A blonde girl and a brown boy. Rarer around the tables than Mordheim mutant blisters if you ask me.
I guess someone sat around the marketing table and asked: "So which customer group may we expand into?"
If they want to sell to 10 year olds, single box games is the solution; like Hero Quest, Space Crusade and Space Hulk.
Rather than criticising a diverse portrayal, how about embracing and encouraging it? A derogatory attitude towards diverse imagery is worrying, and helps perpetuate the reasons why gaming is predominantly white cud middle-aged males.
Well, if thats what you read out of my post, I feel bad for you. I said single box games like Hero Quest, Space Crusade etc are the way to go if they want to sell to 10 year olds. Especially if they want to expand into new customer groups.
I am crestfallen in any instance, that GW has such obscure entry level products in general.
I dont think its just nostalgia that Hero Quest was fun and easy to play, and organized enough to get new players gaming within 5 minutes.
A boxed Mordheim (with less fish & skulls), gorkamorka (to capitalize on madmax), necromunda (think hunger games) or a hero quest style game would fit the "1 birthday & 1 christmas" purchasing power that someone mentioned above, and also serve as a gateway into organized play. Can you imagine two 11 year olds picking up 40k and trying to play a full game on boxing day?
well, we'll just have to wait and see what the rules are, won't we?
It's an interesting challenge, keeping the flavour of full-sized 40k, but simplifying it for 10 and 11 year olds who aren't having the concept explained in-store.
Personally, I think it's great they're doing this - but they would do well to have one good starter game box they could retail in their own stores.
It may well be that if they were retailing a box in their own stores (and online) then the toy stores would not be interested,
there's plenty of pressure on them from online sellers too, and something that is unique to them will be an easier sell than something that going to be up on amazon too for example
streetsamurai wrote: GW putting a little girl in theyr ads is as ridiculous as Barbie recently putting a little boy in one of theirs.
Also agreed that I don't think that this is a good gateway into the hobby. Self contained games are way better for that imo.
Yes, because no little boy has ever wanted to play with a Barbie before...
Seriously, we have already had one warning this thread to cut out the commentary about gender and racial stereotypes. There will be no more.
While you may have never personally seen different genders and races playing miniature games, they do exist. And more importantly, having marketing materials out in the world showing a diverse range of players can have a real impact over time towards changing perceptions of players who might otherwise feel marginalized were they to even think about playing.
The more INCLUSIVE and WELCOMING players are towards diversity in miniature wargaming, no matter how rare it may seem, the more likely those norms are to change, even if its ever so slowly. Conversely, the more derogatory comments people make about having never witnessed diversity in miniature wargaming and therefore how stupid it is to depict such things, the less welcoming and inclusive the hobby will continue to seem to those who are traditionally marginalized.
As a kid I played with my cousin and she had her barbies/ken dolls and I had my action figures. We p[played with any and all of the toys. So it's not like it's impossible.
I actually really like that stat block. I've been playing simple rules people put online for free after using them for their DIY convention games (whether it's ancient battles, WW2 games, sci-fi, whatever) and they are often this simple and straight forward. If you play to see what happens then rules like this can work really well.
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After Kirby has been bragging about how taking direct control over distribution was the best thing GW ever did, it's amazing to see a giant list of independent sales and marketing people all with a traditional sales territory by region break down. I never thought I'd see GW open up their sales to independent contractors in a traditional sales model.
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I wonder how that's going to work out for them. Stores that have tons and tons of stuff might just put everything they sell on their website as there are too many manufacturers selling stuff and then if a distributor or GW calls them up and says "you can't sell our stuff online" and then what? The toy store already has tons of products and options and doesn't need GW the way a game store might need Magic: the Gathering.
The GW anti-online-shopping policy manages to be both insanely harsh and laughably ineffective, given how many online GW retailers I can find with a quick Google search.
It's really not hard to see why they picked those Marine colours as examples. Anyone suggesting it's odd you can't paint SW with the colours in the paint set isn't looking too carefully. No grey/blue, no space puppies! It's not an omission, it's a selection to fit the paints they're selling you.
JohnnyHell wrote: It's really not hard to see why they picked those Marine colours as examples. Anyone suggesting it's odd you can't paint SW with the colours in the paint set isn't looking too carefully. No grey/blue, no space puppies! It's not an omission, it's a selection to fit the paints they're selling you.
Though of course adding 1 more paint wouldn't have been THAT hard.
Not that it really matters.
Oh and another reason: Wolves tend to look bit different to others due to extra bits. That might be also one factor.
Clearly it's a little sneak peak at what's to come soon. That page shows loyal, intact chapters.
In the coming fluff advancement, the DA will destroy Fenris and cripple the SW. This drives the SW away from the Imperium (although not 100% into the clutches of Chaos either), and they become a ragtag, fleet-based marauding force. As more of a "neutral" force, they cease being loyal dogs and more "lone wolves," like their chapter name has suggested all along. And their new raiding, marauding nature fits the Viking motif better. Expect to see their ally table significantly changed, with Imperial forces becoming less favored, and "bad guy" forces a little more favored across the board.
Clearly it's a little sneak peak at what's to come soon. That page shows loyal, intact chapters.
In the coming fluff advancement, the DA will destroy Fenris and cripple the SW. This drives the SW away from the Imperium (although not 100% into the clutches of Chaos either), and they become a ragtag, fleet-based marauding force. As more of a "neutral" force, they cease being loyal dogs and more "lone wolves," like their chapter name has suggested all along. And their new raiding, marauding nature fits the Viking motif better. Expect to see their ally table significantly changed, with Imperial forces becoming less favored, and "bad guy" forces a little more favored across the board.
xraytango wrote: Then you may want to educate yourself on the subject, those steel molds are only having soft plastic put through them.
Depends on if they are steel tools. Often steel is not milled when there is a definite end-of-life, as it's much cheaper to use, well, cheaper metals, for tools.
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Looks like the much-feared Age of Sigmarification of 40k has begun. Good.
That stat block makes me want to play 40k again, like Age of Sigmar did to reinvigorate my interest in Warhammer.
I like this from the retailer terms and conditions:
The BV Products should not be displayed in stores where other products deemed obscene or
inappropriate for customers under 18 years of age are displayed or sold.
As compared to what? Some might consider some of GW's products "obscene or inappropriate for customers under 18".... So, don't sell these products in stores that sell other GW products?
agnosto wrote: I like this from the retailer terms and conditions:
The BV Products should not be displayed in stores where other products deemed obscene or
inappropriate for customers under 18 years of age are displayed or sold.
As compared to what? Some might consider some of GW's products "obscene or inappropriate for customers under 18".... So, don't sell these products in stores that sell other GW products?
I don't think I've ever seen anything I'd consider "obscene" in a hobby shop, unless they have some very obscure statuettes for whatever reason. I wonder what they're trying to refer to?
Clearly it's a little sneak peak at what's to come soon. That page shows loyal, intact chapters.
In the coming fluff advancement, the DA will destroy Fenris and cripple the SW. This drives the SW away from the Imperium (although not 100% into the clutches of Chaos either), and they become a ragtag, fleet-based marauding force. As more of a "neutral" force, they cease being loyal dogs and more "lone wolves," like their chapter name has suggested all along. And their new raiding, marauding nature fits the Viking motif better. Expect to see their ally table significantly changed, with Imperial forces becoming less favored, and "bad guy" forces a little more favored across the board.
agnosto wrote: I like this from the retailer terms and conditions:
The BV Products should not be displayed in stores where other products deemed obscene or
inappropriate for customers under 18 years of age are displayed or sold.
As compared to what? Some might consider some of GW's products "obscene or inappropriate for customers under 18".... So, don't sell these products in stores that sell other GW products?
I don't think I've ever seen anything I'd consider "obscene" in a hobby shop, unless they have some very obscure statuettes for whatever reason. I wonder what they're trying to refer to?
Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".
Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".
I agree; I personally would consider a great amount of GW's products to be PG13 and the setting in general to be that way but not all people would share my view. What yardstick will GW use to determine if a stockist is compliant with this condition?
Most likely this is just legal garbage thrown into T&Cs for some obscure (to me) reason.
I think I want to get some of those Wartrakks so I can take their treads to attach to my Hunter cannons to make Thunderfire Cannons. 100% GW parts, 0% Finecast!
casvalremdeikun wrote: I think I want to get some of those Wartrakks so I can take their treads to attach to my Hunter cannons to make Thunderfire Cannons. 100% GW parts, 0% Finecast!
The tracks are the best thing in that kit. I've used them for a variety of conversions over the years.
This is excellent! I won't be buying it but the way GW is approaching it and distributing it seems like a good thing! More retailers and getting more kids into the hobby would be excellent.
I'm interested if Michaels or somewhere like that will pick it up. If it goes into big stores I hope it'll be successful!
That's just their normal Store Finder, the same as the one on the main Games Workshop website. I don't believe it indicates which stores will be carrying the Vedros kits.
Looks like the much-feared Age of Sigmarification of 40k has begun.
Ah someone who doesn't know what is going on or is trying to make a bad joke.
Based on what my buddies who play 40k's current edition say, AoS-ification may not be a bad thing.
Back on topic, the base set is going to be a really good value esp. if you're building an ork force.
No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.
No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.
Seriously this. It's almost as if the Warhammer hobbyists culture is to piss and moan whenever change occurs. I remember when the Dark Eldar got their arguably better 7th ed update, one guy at our LGS dropped the army because they were suddenly terrible. When I asked him what had changed, he told me that they had updated the book. I honestly believe it falls upon GW as a company failing to establish meaningful context behind the decisions they make. That being said, some people take it too far.
I WANT TO SEE THESE VEDROS RULES APLIED TO EVERY OTHER FACTION!
I like the one page 40k rules, but not many play it just because the fact that it's not "official ". With an official simple ruleset for 40k I think the fan base would be reinvigorated, and dare I say we might see some simple 40k tournaments if we do. But this will only happen if they apply this to at least a majority of the factions and a point system.
Seeing this makes me hopeful.
For the veteran gamer I don't think it's really simple rules that matter so much it's more a quick set up and game play. If people can set up and play a 2k point game under an hour and half most veterans would be happy.
However clear and easily accessible army building rules with simple and easy to grasp base game is what will grav newer players. GW could then add special rules via formations and individual codexs to differentiate and build dynamic and seperately identifiable armies.
No matter what GW does to make 40k less complicated people are going to cry and claim it's the end of the game.
It's going to be a shitstorm because people who play 40k freak out with any change.
Humans as a rule of thumb are against change. Change is coming and initial feeling is invariably going to be negative. That's one of the sources of human suffering. Not realizing life is change.
So yeah any sign of change is going to cause negative turmoil among gamers.
That's just their normal Store Finder, the same as the one on the main Games Workshop website. I don't believe it indicates which stores will be carrying the Vedros kits.
You are probably right, but it was linked to on the Battle for Vedros sight, so you can see where the confusion came from.
That wartrakk sheet reminds me that Gorkamorka Ork artwork is amongst my favourite scifi art and the plastic models are crap and have been at release back then. Urgh. Come on GW.
The plastic Wartrakk was a HUGE improvement over the metal model it replaced. I do think it's pushing it asking $27 for it. $15-$20 would have been better, especially since it's targeted at a toy market price range.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. I'm wondering why they aren't rolling this out in Europe too and why it's only a NA thing.
I mean I think it looks like a good move to get kids into the hobby and a bigger presence in stores and stuff. But surely there is a need for that in other parts of the world too.
General Kroll wrote: I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. I'm wondering why they aren't rolling this out in Europe too and why it's only a NA thing.
Might be a trial run, might be different markets. EU tends to have a higher number of game stores per capita and lower number of pure toy stores where this would be of use.
Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".
I agree; I personally would consider a great amount of GW's products to be PG13 and the setting in general to be that way but not all people would share my view. What yardstick will GW use to determine if a stockist is compliant with this condition?
Most likely this is just legal garbage thrown into T&Cs for some obscure (to me) reason.
I would wonder what would happen if this was sold in Wal Mart, then I go to the manager and then say "you know these Space Marines are like nazis that if you don't follow thier way or the Emperors's way they kill and slaughter you and these are suppose to be the good guys."
I wonder if the stores actually know the real fluff would still be selling these kits.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's US only as they couldn't dictate where and how they are sold in the same way in Europe
they're trying had to isolate this to a different segment of the market than run of the mill gamers looking for GW minis cheaper than they normally are thus expanding the market rather than canabalising their normal sales
(although I'm sure plenty will end up in gamers hands)
I'm honestly interested to see how this shakes out.
And yeah, I usually have bad stuff to say about GW, because of their past gakky actions. On the whole though, as of late there has been a few improvements, aside from throwing all of the babies out with the bathwater on AOS.
I'd like to see this as a return to basic playing a game, having some fun, and working on models with mates with. I can see this as a pretty good deal, if what has been reported so far is correct.
Even for getting some of these for Gorkamorka, its not that bad of a deal.
Totally depends on what you're considering "obscene", but I've definitely seen some stuff at a comic shop that sells GW stuff which I would put under "inappropriate for customers under 18".
I agree; I personally would consider a great amount of GW's products to be PG13 and the setting in general to be that way but not all people would share my view. What yardstick will GW use to determine if a stockist is compliant with this condition?
Most likely this is just legal garbage thrown into T&Cs for some obscure (to me) reason.
I would wonder what would happen if this was sold in Wal Mart, then I go to the manager and then say "you know these Space Marines are like nazis that if you don't follow thier way or the Emperors's way they kill and slaughter you and these are suppose to be the good guys."
I wonder if the stores actually know the real fluff would still be selling these kits.
Walmart sell post it notes, right? Weren't 3M the manufacturers of Zyklon B. Point is, your argument is invalid.
I feel...mixed about this set. Don't get me wrong, 50 teef is fricken dirt cheap when you consider the contents of the box. Though I suppose the contents itself is what makes me feel iffy about it.
The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.
I feel like this box may set a horrible, HORRIBLE expectation for new players that the real game is not at all going to live up too unless GW intends to fully come out with an AOS style rule set and 'warscrolls' for all of 40k to let new players continue with that style of play.
When they find out that you can't even field several units out of the box in a normal game, it's going to put them off.
"They only gave me 1 terminator but I need 5 to play the real game?" *looks at price of a box of terminators* "Oh..."
Same with the Tac Squad.
It's definitely a nice box for the 'easy rules' they have inside but...hmm...
Also, the hell with that disgusting bike and wartrakk price tag though? I cannot even believe they still try to sell that Wartrakk (or their buggies) for anything more than 15 bucks. Friggen insane.
Melevolence wrote: The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.
Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.
Melevolence wrote: The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.
Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.
Rather simplified rules were thought to fit the existing sprues.
1 terminator? That's how the sprues got designed back how many years ago? Either they make full AOBR contents or they only give some sprues. Which results in this. Rest of termies were on sprues not included.
Not seeing anything about 3M making it, though. citation, please.
BASF (the world biggest chemical producer) manufactured Zylkon B and was founded in Germany. 3M Corp is a completely separate company which was founded in America.
Melevolence wrote: The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.
Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.
Maybe there is conflicting info, but the OP states a different model count than the AOBR, which had a full squad of Tacs, Termies, and 3 Kopters. According to the OP, this kit contains 6 tacs, 1 termie, and 1 kopter, which is not the same as the AOBR box.
And people have been stating this Vedros box has a very basic rule set to mitigate confusion and charts, which makes it appear that they have a psudo-AoS rule set in the box and perhaps slightly different rules, which may be why the contents are different.
I could be mistaken, but my only information is this thread, which is why I brought that concern up in the first place.
We had another thread on Dakka with a discussion about the rules based on the GW 'How to play'-video from http://www.battleforvedros.com (the last vid). Check it out, it was very interesting. If you pause the video at the point they show the back of the manual you can see Vedros' unit stats.
These rules are at its core 40k rules. GW made changes so it can be taught to new players more easily. BOLS and others can say what they want but these are clearly not AoS rules.
They only simplified the 40k mechanics - if things happened to be too complex - the same way people have been teaching 40k for ages at clubs, shops and conventions to players completely new to the hobby.
There is no measuring from model to model but from base to base. The initiative works like 40k and not like AoS.
Instead of BS (and check a table) the unit stats tell you what to roll. Like in BAC, EF and all the new Board games.
They also used the old Citadel Journal rules (experimental, for 2nd edition) where Toughness instead of armour values was introduced for vehicles and they had wounds. Another change is no (edit) run rolls, always 4".
Everything is just a reduced 40k ruleset. Don't let them fool you.
Warhams-77 wrote: We had another thread on Dakka with a discussion about the rules based on the GW 'How to play'-video from http://www.battleforvedros.com (the last vid). Check it out, it was very interesting. If you pause the video at the point they show the back of the manual you can see Vedros' unit stats.
These rules are at its core 40k rules. GW made changes so it can be taught to new players easier. BOLS and others can say what they want but these are clearly not AoS rules.
They only simplified the 40k mechanics - if things happened to be too complex - the same way people have been teaching 40k for ages at clubs, shops and conventions to players completely new to the hobby.
There is no measuring from model to model. The iniative works like 40k and not like AoS.
Instead of BS (and check a table) the unit stats tell you what to roll. Like in BAC, EF and all the new Board games.
They also used the old Citadel Journal rules (experimental, for 2nd edition) where Toughness instead of armour values was introduced for vehicles and they had wounds. Another change is, no charge range rolls.
Everything is just a reduced 40k ruleset. Don't let them fool you.
Good to know! I still find the model count to be very strange. 1 Termie is very, very odd. One Kopter usually isn't, as many people run them solo (I always ran them in squadrons of 3). It feels that playing with the 40k ruleset, even simplified, that single terminator is a VERY strange decision on their part.
It is. In the old discussion we compared the sprues in Black Reach with the Vedros box and it now turns out GW was re-using two of them and adding two little sprues with Ork Boyz to it. It seems odd at first but it is only a manufacturing thing I guess. The Terminator is the Sergeant with power sword by the way, so he is more like a character model to new players.
Photo from BOLS
According to GW the other, additional Vedros-kits get rules in the Vedros rulebook already. To me everything feels a bit like Space Crusade/Advanced Space Crusade, a gateway 'drug' to the hobby if you will.
I find it a little odd that the Kopter gets 2 shots now, when they normally get one twin linked shot...huh...works for the 'self contained' boxed set, and lets the Kopter deal with the Naught a little better...though I suppose two dice also is pseudo-twin linked, statistically?
Melevolence wrote: The contents are clearly designed around the simplified rules included in the box. Which is good...I suppose it MAY steer vets away from buying all these up and not letting the intended purchasers get any. But the single terminator and single deffkopter...those feel so out of place to me.
Its the old 'Assault on Black Reach' starter set. The contents definitely are not 'designed around the simplified rules'.
Maybe there is conflicting info, but the OP states a different model count than the AOBR, which had a full squad of Tacs, Termies, and 3 Kopters. According to the OP, this kit contains 6 tacs, 1 termie, and 1 kopter, which is not the same as the AOBR box.
And people have been stating this Vedros box has a very basic rule set to mitigate confusion and charts, which makes it appear that they have a psudo-AoS rule set in the box and perhaps slightly different rules, which may be why the contents are different.
I could be mistaken, but my only information is this thread, which is why I brought that concern up in the first place.
Yes AOBR contents was different but that's because it had other sprues.
To put it in uber simplified let's say AOBR had 2 sprues(think there was more). 1 has 1 terminator(along with other stuff), 1 has 4 terminators(plus of course other stuff)
For this they put the sprue that had the ONE terminator. Didn't put in the other(they don't want to give TOO much stuff for this price and didn't want to sell the box for more pricey. Goal is likely cheap starting set to attract new kids. Sell this cheaply, sell more stuff when they get hooked)
That's why despite sprue being from AOBR there's not full content of AOBR. Still sprue design dates back to then and not designed for the rules. Sprue was NOT designed for this set. Whole point for GW is to reuse old sprue(which is already paid for and has given them profit) to produce CHEAPLY these sets. Designing new sprue just for this would mean they would be asking more money than they do because they would need to pay for desing and produce of new sprue. Which being plastic is not cheap.
edit: Specifically it has these sprues:
Dreadnought, ONE terminator.
Warboss, deth kopta.
But it's missing this that AOBR had IIRC two copies.
Notice 2 terminators there. If the new box had two of these it would have 5 terminators. Also 4 more tac marines and 14 more orks. And 2 more deth koptas.
But this sprue is completely missing. That's why there's only 1 terminator in new box.
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
If this had RTSMs in it people would be falling all over themselves to get their hands on it. Have you seen what those go for on eBay?
General Kroll wrote: I wonder why they didn't include the old red measuring sticks in this one, would have made it even easier for the kids.
Absolutely. I guess because of the box. Vedros has the Start Collecting type of packaging. So it is of smaller size. The sticks would have meant a larger box or new, smaller sticks
TheWaspinator wrote: One thought: are those extra Ork sprues the ones from the mini four-pack? If so, Vedros does appear to be 100% recycled sprues.
Assuming quantities make sense(no 3 extra models with 4-pack sprue having either 2 or 4 ork per sprue for example) then almost certainly yes.
Plastic sprues ain't cheap to produce so designing new one just for this would be pretty weird move if one assumes goal is to produce lots of these _cheaply_ to attract new gamers. For that goal recycled sprues are perfect.
If by some miracle those extra orks ARE new sprue(wtf?) expect to see them separately on sale el pronto. Need to get the sprue expenses paid up. These alone don't get far.
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
You're confusing the Wartrakk with the old Wartrukk (now just Trukk).
The 'modern' Ork Wartrakk is the same 2 decade old kit from yesteryear. GW never got around to updating it...
General Kroll wrote: I wonder why they didn't include the old red measuring sticks in this one, would have made it even easier for the kids.
Because the children would whip each other to death. After all GW want to sell toys, not cruel torture devices . I'm so happy I have a set of these left
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
If this had RTSMs in it people would be falling all over themselves to get their hands on it. Have you seen what those go for on eBay?
One difference though is that the RTSM's aren't quite as badly dated. For example I don't think scalewise they are nearly as badly off as the orks in wartrakk? Albeit I don't have RT marine but the wartrakk orks look like different scale alltogether. Don't really fit with current ork style(which is why I have only one wartrakk I got 2nd hand as part of bigger deal. They just don't fit with new orks)
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
If this had RTSMs in it people would be falling all over themselves to get their hands on it. Have you seen what those go for on eBay?
One difference though is that the RTSM's aren't quite as badly dated. For example I don't think scalewise they are nearly as badly off as the orks in wartrakk? Albeit I don't have RT marine but the wartrakk orks look like different scale alltogether. Don't really fit with current ork style(which is why I have only one wartrakk I got 2nd hand as part of bigger deal. They just don't fit with new orks)
Scale wise, RTSMs are a bit off. They are a bit smaller than modern Space Marines, which themselves are not as tall to scale as the fluff would seem to dictate. Many people, myself included, love them and still buy/ use them regardless.
Schmapdi wrote: God - they're really not selling that 2 decade old, doesn't look like any modern Ork kit Ork Wartrakk are they? Is that really the impression they want to give new customers?
It'd be like having one of the boxes just randomly containing RT-era Space Marines.
If this had RTSMs in it people would be falling all over themselves to get their hands on it. Have you seen what those go for on eBay?
One difference though is that the RTSM's aren't quite as badly dated. For example I don't think scalewise they are nearly as badly off as the orks in wartrakk? Albeit I don't have RT marine but the wartrakk orks look like different scale alltogether. Don't really fit with current ork style(which is why I have only one wartrakk I got 2nd hand as part of bigger deal. They just don't fit with new orks)
Scale wise, RTSMs are a bit off. They are a bit smaller than modern Space Marines, which themselves are not as tall to scale as the fluff would seem to dictate. Many people, myself included, love them and still buy/ use them regardless.
Wartrakk orks are not a bit off though. They are completely off. Size and style. Neither fits. They look totally silly. More like kids running around parents.
The big deal that they are reusing parts of old sprue?
The kit is so dirt cheap! It's 50 bucks...you can even but a terminator for 50 bucks (the term kit obviously has more options but still). They can price it so cheaply but using portions of an old sprue and that draws kids and new players in who would otherwise never get it because its so expensive. Do you think the kids are gunna say "omg that Ork wartrack it SO outdated" no...they're gunna say "omg look at this awesome Ork thing!!!"
Considering I'm pretty sure AOBR was the highest selling starter GW ever produced I'm happy to see them putting it back out to help get new people into the game. It was also a more "family friendly" starter than the current chaos/DA one since it doesn't have exposed fleshy bits. Because of LoTR even the most under a rock parent knows what an Ork is even if they don't look much alike.
chiefbigredman wrote: The big deal that they are reusing parts of old sprue?
The kit is so dirt cheap! It's 50 bucks...you can even but a terminator for 50 bucks (the term kit obviously has more options but still). They can price it so cheaply but using portions of an old sprue and that draws kids and new players in who would otherwise never get it because its so expensive. Do you think the kids are gunna say "omg that Ork wartrack it SO outdated" no...they're gunna say "omg look at this awesome Ork thing!!!"
I'm not a kid and I still go "look at this awesome Ork thing!!!"
chiefbigredman wrote: The big deal that they are reusing parts of old sprue?
The kit is so dirt cheap! It's 50 bucks...you can even but a terminator for 50 bucks (the term kit obviously has more options but still). They can price it so cheaply but using portions of an old sprue and that draws kids and new players in who would otherwise never get it because its so expensive. Do you think the kids are gunna say "omg that Ork wartrack it SO outdated" no...they're gunna say "omg look at this awesome Ork thing!!!"
Except what looiks awesome to kid of today is not quite the same as it was to kids of 20 year ago
I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?
I like the Run Mechanic in Vedros and think it should be used in the broader game. A flat +4" move in the movement phase is just so much simpler. Let Fleet make it a flat +6" move, or return the Run + Charge bonus for Fleet.
Just a quick look at the simplified rules and it looks like Orks are better at shooting than space marines
Those poor Ork players who convert over to 40K proper are in for a dissapointment.
Serioulsy, can't wait for these to hit the shelves. The models are a great price, and it gives me an incentive to teach my kids. I've held off on teaching them 40K because it's a bit more complicated.
geargutz wrote: I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?
Serioulsy, can't wait for these to hit the shelves. The models are a great price, and it gives me an incentive to teach my kids. I've held off on teaching them 40K because it's a bit more complicated.
If your interested in a simple 40k system to play with ur kids then I highly recommend one page 40khttps://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/one-page-40k/ It's simple enough that I had a basic game with my 8yr old nephew.
I'm gonna try vedros with him, but that's only the select orks and sm in the box, 1p40k covers all 40k factions (minus flyers, some superheavys and fw).
chiefbigredman wrote: The big deal that they are reusing parts of old sprue?
The kit is so dirt cheap! It's 50 bucks...you can even but a terminator for 50 bucks (the term kit obviously has more options but still). They can price it so cheaply but using portions of an old sprue and that draws kids and new players in who would otherwise never get it because its so expensive. Do you think the kids are gunna say "omg that Ork wartrack it SO outdated" no...they're gunna say "omg look at this awesome Ork thing!!!"
Except what looiks awesome to kid of today is not quite the same as it was to kids of 20 year ago
Tell that to my nephew who didn't stop playing with my 30 year old action man all last weekend.
The old Wartrack looks just fine, it will serve a purpose in this product line. It's not aimed at hardcore hobbyists.
geargutz wrote: I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?
They come out to about 350 points.
Kk, thx, so sm have a little points boon in this....but I wonder, since the dreadnaught doesn't have any real big gun on it's profile, then would it be cheaper (since it's only a melee focused walker)?
Serioulsy, can't wait for these to hit the shelves. The models are a great price, and it gives me an incentive to teach my kids. I've held off on teaching them 40K because it's a bit more complicated.
If your interested in a simple 40k system to play with ur kids then I highly recommend one page 40khttps://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/one-page-40k/ It's simple enough that I had a basic game with my 8yr old nephew.
I'm gonna try vedros with him, but that's only the select orks and sm in the box, 1p40k covers all 40k factions (minus flyers, some superheavys and fw).
I really like this set. It will do for additional AOBR units that I still have, as well as additional squaddies.
I found that I have a few heavy weapons crews that need to be completed, and added to a home. these look to be just the fit.
Then to get a handle on the rules sets, so we can actually have an reference check, with all of the additional lickies and chewies rules sets that have been added in the past.
A good one for an Ork player, as well. add in a couple of mobs, and you have a pretty good force there. 2-3 more trucks, and add in a few heavy weapons, and boom.
geargutz wrote: I don't play marines, so I don't know their unit price, but I calculated to my best estimate that the orks are are total of 314pts. I would like to know how much the sm come to?
Also, if anyone has a pic of the sm and ork reinforcements rules, can you post them?
They come out to about 350 points.
Kk, thx, so sm have a little points boon in this....but I wonder, since the dreadnaught doesn't have any real big gun on it's profile, then would it be cheaper (since it's only a melee focused walker)?
Well apart from sprues not designed with this in mind there's also the fact rules are different so 40k points are fairly irrelevant...Can't even field lone terminator! For 40k you are looking to add more stuff anyway so points off here or there isn't that big deal.
Badablack wrote: Does running your army Unbound let you take individual terminators, or do they still have to follow the rules of the squad they come from?
Yup. Can't bring dedicated transport option of squad either without squad so no lone chimeras running either.
Yes, you have to take the minimum amount. But the single Terminator can be used as a Terminator Captain instead as it is the Sergeant model with Powersword and Stormbolter.
I recently build several of the AOBR starters, and the miniatures are good for conversions, too. I built a Khorne CSM Lord in Terminator armour using one of the AOBR Terminators.
The Ork Boyz can be cut to carry the Loota Deffguns. By combining boxes of Burnaboyz/Lootas with the AOBR Ork bodies you get twice the amount for few money. This can also be done to build Tankbustas (using bits like bombs and RL from the Boyz box) and Flashgitz (using Nobz and Gitz spares).
This is making me want to build an ork force again. My favorite part of it was converting all the different weapons, building vehicles and taking a walk through toy isles for great vehicles or parts or whatever. Add in the mad max/road warrior aesthetic to all the vehicles and you have a great project.
The local 40k and WFB/AoS scene has totally fragmented. It's at the point where building something that's legal in the current edition is a waste of time because the guys you see at a local shop might be playing 4th edition or rogue trader or the 1 page rules or something else I've never heard of. The WFB/AoS fragmentation is even worse with there being 1st, 3rd, 5th through fan 9th, Kings of War and a bunch of other stuff. We've also gone from 6 local stores selling their stuff down to 2 (1 GW, 1 independent), Tournaments have completely vanished as well. The amount of games being played though, appears to have not gone down very much once you add all the little groups playing all the various versions together.
It's actually kind of awesome. It's like when I first started playing. Where you actually have to meet and talk with opponents in advance and talk about what you are doing. No one gives a single thought about whether or not something is "official" anymore.
Great environment for an ork player who likes building and converting.
MattofWar wrote: It's actually kind of awesome. It's like when I first started playing. Where you actually have to meet and talk with opponents in advance and talk about what you are doing. No one gives a single thought about whether or not something is "official" anymore.
AOS actually might have been best thing eva for FB afterall. Because it allowed finally players to take the thing on their own hands!
Being official nice, being free to do what you want is even better.
Toy stores? I can't speak for the UK or Canada, but they don't really exist anymore in the US. Have we received any official word on what retailers are carrying these?
They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.
I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.
Hulksmash wrote: They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.
Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.
Hulksmash wrote: They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.
Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.
Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.
agnosto wrote: I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.
HobbyTown USA stores are franchise stores, so its probably up to each franchisee as to what they carry beyond the core products.
Hulksmash wrote: They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.
Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.
Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.
Totally true, but you'd be surprised how much leeway the various chains give their individual managers.
My closest B&N bookstore, to use an anecdotal example, has a better X-Wing selection than a hobby shop 5-6 minutes away which actually runs X-Wing tourneys. They stock all the Star Wars FFG stuff, and some of the 40kFFG stuff(it's where I got my copy of Deathwatch: Rites of Battle one day when I was out at that shopping center having lunch with a friend). They also have a small selection of CB's Infinity models and a decent selection of Knight Miniatures' Marvel/DC lines.
They keep the Infinity models in the same location as the manga/anime and they keep the Marvel/DC stuff with their associated comics.
It's kinda awesome, and I've gotten to have a good chat with the manager about how/why it happened--and a lot of the stuff that managers get for JUST their stores don't appear on the website.
agnosto wrote: I was a bit surprised by the hobbytown since they post all of their stock for sale on their website. I guess local managers have some leeway to stock other items which would explain only one store instead of the entire chain.
HobbyTown USA stores are franchise stores, so its probably up to each franchisee as to what they carry beyond the core products.
Ah, didn't know that; thanks! Makes complete sense and about the only way that this could work.
Hulksmash wrote: They're selling accounts. That isn't a super fast thing. They don't have the supporting numbers to show but as they get more stores and more supporting numbers it'll grow quickly if it works in the initial stores.
Spot on. They hired someone last year specifically with experience doing distribution/sales to these kinds of chains for this.
Good idea; however, trying to limit how retailers move the product by preventing online shopping will be a deal killer to a lot of the bigger chains. Toy stores are not necessarily hobby stores in the same sense as game stores are and most of bigger fish heavily utilize online sales.
Totally true, but you'd be surprised how much leeway the various chains give their individual managers.
My closest B&N bookstore, to use an anecdotal example, has a better X-Wing selection than a hobby shop 5-6 minutes away which actually runs X-Wing tourneys. They stock all the Star Wars FFG stuff, and some of the 40kFFG stuff(it's where I got my copy of Deathwatch: Rites of Battle one day when I was out at that shopping center having lunch with a friend). They also have a small selection of CB's Infinity models and a decent selection of Knight Miniatures' Marvel/DC lines.
They keep the Infinity models in the same location as the manga/anime and they keep the Marvel/DC stuff with their associated comics.
It's kinda awesome, and I've gotten to have a good chat with the manager about how/why it happened--and a lot of the stuff that managers get for JUST their stores don't appear on the website.
Nice. A little off topic but I like how B&N has changed their business to be more of a "space" rather than just a store. A good example of how businesses can adapt to changing markets.
I still think that GW didn't have to go the "no internet sales!!!" route with a product that's not supposed to be primarily targeted to LGSs; it's unnecessarily limiting exposure to the product to a greater market that has no idea who GW is, has never set foot in a game store, etc.
Banning internet sales is probably a good way to make sure that places like Barnes & Noble and Toys R Us will never touch it. And if they really want to expand to the toy market, that's who they need to sell to.
Really? They seem like places that both want you to go in store. Toy and Bookstores have been massively hit by online sales and have had to change quite a bit to stay afloat.
I think B&N has picked up the same mantra as Waterstones in the UK with Local market focus and selling all sorts of other items. Are they co-owned?
notprop wrote: Really? They seem like places that both want you to go in store. Toy and Bookstores have been massively hit by online sales and have had to change quite a bit to stay afloat.
I think B&N has picked up the same mantra as Waterstones in the UK with Local market focus and selling all sorts of other items. Are they co-owned?
That's just it. It'll be a local thing rather than a company-wide initiative. Their terms of sale are so limiting that big store chains will just wave them off and not deal with it. I know it's hard to imagine on this board but GW is very small potatoes in the grand scheme of things and companies would be less willing to deal with their silliness than if they were Lego or the like.
What we'll see is a smaller number of local stores picking this product up rather than broad distribution which is unnecessarily limiting in my opinion (that and a buck could get you a coke).
Warhams-77 wrote: Yes, you have to take the minimum amount. But the single Terminator can be used as a Terminator Captain instead as it is the Sergeant model with Powersword and Stormbolter.
I recently build several of the AOBR starters, and the miniatures are good for conversions, too. I built a Khorne CSM Lord in Terminator armour using one of the AOBR Terminators.
The Ork Boyz can be cut to carry the Loota Deffguns. By combining boxes of Burnaboyz/Lootas with the AOBR Ork bodies you get twice the amount for few money. This can also be done to build Tankbustas (using bits like bombs and RL from the Boyz box) and Flashgitz (using Nobz and Gitz spares).
Most of my Tankbustas came from AOBR boyz. The AOBR Nobz are great, too, they have unique armour.
It will be great to have more Deffkoptas floating around, too.
agnosto wrote: ..... I know it's hard to imagine on this board but GW is very small potatoes in the grand scheme of things and companies would be less willing to deal with their silliness than if they were Lego or the like.
What we'll see is a smaller number of local stores picking this product up rather than broad distribution which is unnecessarily limiting in my opinion (that and a buck could get you a coke).
Indeed but GW have shown that they are happy to walk away when the big boys want to take a bigger slice of their pie. I can help feeling that GW have created this line with and almost built in obsolescence to it so that they can offer terms more inline with what these entities are used to.
From a collectors/modellers PoV it's old stuff with limited appeal to more experienced gamers
There's little design outlay as the only real new work is cutting a new die using existing masters + old artwork.
Business wise this is about spreading the GW word to all corners of the US where they don't currently reach and flag up the website.
If this sits on the shelves at Mom & Pa's model/arts store, Hicksville, USA for the next few years they've lost nothing as the start up cost would be so minute. If Its at HobbyLandUS (or whatever) and they want it on sale/return or at 40% RRP also not a problem as it's old stock and can be skipped and written off against tax. Something they would be less inclined to do with current stock I would imagine.
This looks like someone's idea of doing for the US what GW stores do in the UK. It just spreading the word out there. The internet is fine (if you are searching for something) but this is just another string in the bow and one that's more likely to hit home with the Geek crowd.
agnosto wrote: ..... I know it's hard to imagine on this board but GW is very small potatoes in the grand scheme of things and companies would be less willing to deal with their silliness than if they were Lego or the like.
What we'll see is a smaller number of local stores picking this product up rather than broad distribution which is unnecessarily limiting in my opinion (that and a buck could get you a coke).
Indeed but GW have shown that they are happy to walk away when the big boys want to take a bigger slice of their pie. I can help feeling that GW have created this line with and almost built in obsolescence to it so that they can offer terms more inline with what these entities are used to.
From a collectors/modellers PoV it's old stuff with limited appeal to more experienced gamers
There's little design outlay as the only real new work is cutting a new die using existing masters + old artwork.
Business wise this is about spreading the GW word to all corners of the US where they don't currently reach and flag up the website.
If this sits on the shelves at Mom & Pa's model/arts store, Hicksville, USA for the next few years they've lost nothing as the start up cost would be so minute. If Its at HobbyLandUS (or whatever) and they want it on sale/return or at 40% RRP also not a problem as it's old stock and can be skipped and written off against tax. Something they would be less inclined to do with current stock I would imagine.
This looks like someone's idea of doing for the US what GW stores do in the UK. It just spreading the word out there. The internet is fine (if you are searching for something) but this is just another string in the bow and one that's more likely to hit home with the Geek crowd.
Hobby, art, toy stores vastly outnumber game stores and the tiny GW store presence in the US so I'm not sure holding this initiative up to the UK model is putting it in the best light. This is one area where GW consistently fails in the US, they fail to realize that the way they operate business in the US/Canada must be different than how they run things in the UK, they're apples and oranges and what works in one won't necessarily work in another.
What you spelled out is exactly why they should go for broad distribution on as grand a scale as possible. There's no to little danger of cannibalizing too much of their existing sales by extending a broad reach so there's no reason to be so insanely scared of the internet. If Toys R Us suddenly picked this product up, put it on the website and, heaven forbid, had them in a sale or something, GW isn't out any money. They make more money when the product moves units because their retail discount doesn't change. There is literally zero reason to leave money on the table here but it seems that they're unwilling to change their failed "marketing" strategies. If they're not out any money to produce this, they don't have anything to lose by at least trying to make it successful.
I understand that they're building the base up now, but wouldn't it have been better to launch it with more than 5 stores on board? I love these minis, they're what I really started with (after a couple of starts and stops during 4Th) so they have nostalgia value to me. Maybe I'm just sour I won't be able to find this any time soon unless I go to Montana
Warhams-77 wrote: Yes, you have to take the minimum amount. But the single Terminator can be used as a Terminator Captain instead as it is the Sergeant model with Powersword and Stormbolter.
I recently build several of the AOBR starters, and the miniatures are good for conversions, too. I built a Khorne CSM Lord in Terminator armour using one of the AOBR Terminators.
The Ork Boyz can be cut to carry the Loota Deffguns. By combining boxes of Burnaboyz/Lootas with the AOBR Ork bodies you get twice the amount for few money. This can also be done to build Tankbustas (using bits like bombs and RL from the Boyz box) and Flashgitz (using Nobz and Gitz spares).
Most of my Tankbustas came from AOBR boyz. The AOBR Nobz are great, too, they have unique armour.
It will be great to have more Deffkoptas floating around, too.
They look really good, I used these Spellcrow (Kromlech?) Pilot heads on my Deffkoptas for more variety.
^I haven't. I called most all the True Value's in my state once more, giving them some time to get inventory in case it was late. But nope. Nothing at all.
Needless to say, I'm very sore about it. I really wanted a box or two of these to get myself back into the swing of the hobby.
The way this product is being handled is baffling. If their goal is to have it act as a entry point to encourage new hobbyists, they should be selling it in as many places as possible (online included) to make the game more visible. The way they're doing it, the only people who are going to know Vedros exists are people who are already into miniatures games.
adamsouza wrote: I think they are hoping that kids will see the shiny boxes on their nifty display box and nag their parents into buying it.
Of course that requires display boxes BEING somewhere
Well it can still work but it's going to be slow process. Hopefully they didn't put huge sale numbers as goal for this...GW has history of dumping product lines that didn't exceed sales sufficiently. Mere couple times exceeded is not enough neccessarily. And with this few stores sale numbers won't be that many boxes.
adamsouza wrote: I don't think anyone has spotted them anywhere yet.
Well since it's like dozen stores or less in whole USA...
Has anybody bothered to go to the stores stated as selling them? Going stores out of that list isn't going to be effective likely.
According to the ad in the OP, it's supposed to be, allegedly, at True Value stores as well (They did not specify if it were ALL True Values or only specific locations). I called every True Value in the state of Maine, but none had any idea what I was talking about so...they have likely failed to disclose where they have released them to said stores.
I think they should have waited and launched the damned thing once they had a certain number of accounts set up. As it is, this might be forgotten about before it even picks up steam. Very disappointing indeed.
The weird part is I can't even find a single box of it listed on ebay by someone who went out and bought a bunch to relist. :I Do these kits even fricken EXIST or was this one massive late April Fools joke?
gungo wrote: I can't even find it on eBay with those resellers.
Has anyone found them anywhere?
Why would it be on eBay? It's available at a small number of retailers currently. GW has listed exactly who carries it. If anyone is interested in purchasing them, they should probably contact those specific retailers, rather than eBay. It's not a product available to retailers who would be selling it online.
gungo wrote: I can't even find it on eBay with those resellers.
Has anyone found them anywhere?
Why would it be on eBay? It's available at a small number of retailers currently. GW has listed exactly who carries it. If anyone is interested in purchasing them, they should probably contact those specific retailers, rather than eBay. It's not a product available to retailers who would be selling it online.
Resellers, plain and simple. With how difficult it is to get ahold of these, even marking them up 10 bucks could net someone a nice wad of cash and the people buying them still get an alright deal, because it seems no one can find the damn things right now. Those who can may not even be on this forum. We're just trying to figure out if anyone here HAS found them where GW has said they're supposed to be.
So yeah, you're not incorrect that retailers wouldn't be selling these online. But it's not retailers we're seeking on ebay.
I had a family member who was a independent toy store distributor/sales person. They usually sold items from over 100+ different companies. My guess is that GW has just been lost in the shuffle and most of these independent sales people they contracted out to are just operating as normal and if a store doesn't specifically ask for it, they don't bother.
And one of them might land True Value hardware as a customer but since they are all independent retailer owned cooperatives where each owner can own order what he wants, most are simply not going to give up the shelf space for a full display. So there may be six retailer displays sitting at the True Value distribution center and no one ever orders them, but GW can list True Value as a place to get it even though it is meaningless.
At first I was positive about GW getting this into a wider array of stores, but its beginning to look like they'll get it pretty much nowhere and not allow it to be sold through their existing independent stores because it might devalue AoS Starter Sets or Dark Vengeance.
Unless they actually get this in front of kids in a wide variety of stores, this project is going to be a total failure. What's worse is that GW might take this as a reinforcement of their pricing policy. We tried to sell to a wider market at a lower price, but no one bought any. When we price it high and sell it direct, people buy lots. So let's up the price some more and make this next thing direct only!
Holy crap, Rancho Cordova? My brother lives there. now I guess I'll need to go visit him... Unless I go to the Wild Animal Park in Escondido first. Tough choice.
Maybe I'm missing something but why are people here so enthusiastic about buying this set?
It's the (semi)-monopose models from the 6th edition starterset and a positively ancient ork trakk from the Gorkamorka era?
I guess it might be cheep and appealing to someone starting up, but anyone who's been in the game for a few years will have had the opportunity to get their hands on those models easily and cheap for a long time.
I think it's more folks just want confirmation they're out in the wild. I know unless they were going for pennies I wouldn't bother with them, but I also don't play either army.
All I see are what seem to be mostly small independent places.
Where's all the Michaels and Hobby Lobby announcements?
I guess I can look for Totally Thomas next time I head down to San Diego.
The name alone makes me think of creepy old guys wanting to tell prospective customers all about their Thomas the Tank Engine collections and having trivia contests over incredibly nerdy minutiae ...
Zywus wrote: Maybe I'm missing something but why are people here so enthusiastic about buying this set?
It's the (semi)-monopose models from the 6th edition starterset and a positively ancient ork trakk from the Gorkamorka era?
I guess it might be cheep and appealing to someone starting up, but anyone who's been in the game for a few years will have had the opportunity to get their hands on those models easily and cheap for a long time.
Isn't that more like 5th?
Anyway quick look at ebay gave that as 60£. Individual squad goes around 13£ or so. That's not THAT cheap compared to brand new battle for verdos. Especially orks find that good(marines less so due to oddities like 1 terminator).
In age where GW models are generally ridiculously priced you surprised people would like some cheaper ones? Those orks will form infantry core cheaply provided you are happy with slugga and choppa configuration
Not only are they cheap, but orks being orks I can convert the crap out of them. With all my bits I can make tons of lootas or burnaboyz or use them as experiments in making plasticard meganobz
The excitement around Battle of Vedros is it's a cheap source of orks and free space marines.
If you play Orks, you convert. Battle of Vedros is the newest bestest supply of Cheap Orks to convert. On top of that you get the Marine models as well. Convert that Marine Dreadnaught into an Ork one and it's an even better deal.
*sigh* And another decent idea being drug down my GW's asinine advertising and terms of conditions. This being the age of the internet, anyone who attempts to sell this product in NA is immediately hamstrung by a complete inability to advertise or sell it on their websites.
I don't think we'll see the likes of Hobby Lobby, Michaels, etc. for the same reason. They can't put it on their website, they can't advertise it in their circulars, they're basically denied the ability to move the product at all so there's little point in picking it up.
Again, the big heads at GW seem to have a completely anachronistic view of marketing and sales. The stated purpose of this project is to bring new blood into the game and provide an accessible game to younger players and those not already in the GW ecosystem. You can't do that without advertising. If people don't know it exists, they can't buy it. Not like they could anyway unless they live in places like Alpine CA with a population of 14k.
Given the price of metal Deffkoptas, that's a reason enough alone for people to be interested in these boxes.
But yeah, GW seems to be shooting themselves in the foot a bit with this and their backwards retail policies. The importance of online retailers is only going to increase going into the future. If they really want to promote this as a cheap 40k entry point and/or advertising avenue, they should be selling it for cheap to Amazon to have as a deal of the day or something.
Amazon Deal of the Day
the larger Bundle and Crate services
Their own stores
Any of their independent trade stores
Their own special Battle for Vedros ebay store
The Guard Tower is a gaming store. With stuff like Flames of War and Magic and whatnot. I was wondering if they'd end up there or if GW was trying to keep it out of their normal type of target independent store.
The store listed in Alaska made me laugh. No address, no zipcode, nothing. Alaska is a small place that's easy to navigate... I'm sure everyone just run across it somewhere in the bush!
MattofWar wrote: The Guard Tower is a gaming store. With stuff like Flames of War and Magic and whatnot. I was wondering if they'd end up there or if GW was trying to keep it out of their normal type of target independent store.
Very true, but he said that they had issues convincing GW to let them sell it
I know at least one of my LGS orders their GW stuff from Diamond Distribution instead of GW.
Am I missing something, or could your FLGS just go around GW by not ordering through them and just contact someone on the trade list and order it from them instead ?
Spoiler:
Trade Contacts
Arizona. Colorado. Montana. New Mexico. Utah. Wyoming. Idaho (Excluding South West Idaho)
Ron & Irene Stark Associates. West Marketing
Ron and Irene Stark
719 547-4454
renestark@yahoo.com
Texas. Oklahoma. Louisiana. Arkansas
Lee Leibold. Action Goup sales
Lee Leibold
214 760 8408
lee@actiongroupsales.com
West Virginia. Virginia. Pennsylvania. Delaware. Maryland. Washington D.C.
High Five
Dana Barnes
703 724-0010
Dana.Barnes@highfiveinc.com
New York. New Jersey.
Charles Zadeh Enterprises Inc.
Charles Zadeh
516 759 8479
Czadeh@charleszadeh.com
Florida, Puerto Rico & the Caribbean
Jim Lovino. Toys 2000
Jim Lovinio
786 367 0891
jimi@jmcsalesinc.com
Washington State. Oregon. Alaska.
Lolly & Company
Lolly Parker
206 762 6423
deanna@lollyco.com
Alabama. Georgia. Kentucky. Mississippi. North Carolina. South Carolina. Tennessee.
Don Owens Associates
Craig Owen
615 595 0084
info@toytravelers.com
California. Hawaii. Nevada
Doug Cason. The Toy Sellers group
Doug Cason
415 491 4215
dsc@toysellers.net
North Dakota. South Dakota. Nebraska. Iowa. Minnesota. Wisconsin
Ketz & Associates
Brad Ketz
952 932 7148
teri@ketzassociates.com
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut
Dave Bisio. North Atlantic Sales Associates
David Bisio
508 822 6234
davidbisio@yahoo.com
Manitoba. Saskatchewan. Alberta. British Columbia. Yukon. Nunavut. Western Ontario to West of Thunder Bay
Smalley Agencies LTD
Ray Smalley
7807007699
smalleyagencies@shaw.ca
Ontario – East of Thunder Bay
Francois Portelance Agency
Francois Portelance
162237908
Francois.Portelance.fppp@rogers.com
You could call the local sales rep listed and find out who in your area is carrying it already.
Toyopolis in Santa Fe New Mexico had bought a display. My missus dropped by there while we were up that way and bought 3 starter boxes and 3 ork boyz boxes.
Place is a dedicated toy store with Play Mobil and the like. The 40k display was reportedly very much out of place. There were still 3 starter boxes and the little boxes of SMs and Ork vehicles and grots available.
Where's all the Michaels and Hobby Lobby announcements?
I guess I can look for Totally Thomas next time I head down to San Diego.
The name alone makes me think of creepy old guys wanting to tell prospective customers all about their Thomas the Tank Engine collections and having trivia contests over incredibly nerdy minutiae ...
In other words just like any other hobby shop
I love the big splashy page each time they announce new stores stocking the set...
Space marines nobly charging across a war torn landscape to tell YOU that you can now buy Battle for Vedros at Jack's Toys and Party Favors and the North Grenville Gift Shop in the highway on-ramp gas station.
I spotted the Battle for Vedros display stand at my FLGS this weekend.
My wallet is telling me 'No', but my inner geek is telling me 'Yesssss'. We wants them, precious.
My FLGS had the SM bike, SM Tacticals, Orks Boyz, and the Orks Wartrakk. Nothing I really needed to have. The SM bike is not cheaper than a single online one. Maybe if these hit Hobby Lobby I will consider picking some up with a 40% Discount.
If they are not a gaming shop, stocking Battle for Vedros may be a one time thing.
To be honest, my biggest concern about this style of release is us gamers buying up all the starter sets and the stores getting stuck with the small packs.
If they have to discount the small packs to get rid of them, I can't see them re-ordering Battle of Vedros.
If they are not a gaming shop, stocking Battle for Vedros may be a one time thing.
To be honest, my biggest concern about this style of release is us gamers buying up all the starter sets and the stores getting stuck with the small packs.
If they have to discount the small packs to get rid of them, I can't see them re-ordering Battle of Vedros.
That could definitely be an issue. I'd probably grab the single bike and the Ork Boyz if I saw them but definitely not the other stuff...
Yes, there is the potential for this to suffer from the same problems as a game like Heroscape where gamers bought up all the common packs and stores were left with nothing but less desirable piles of hero packs they couldn't move.
I wonder how the margins work out for that. How much of the block of product do they need to sell to make back their money?
There is still the opportunity cost of having the display taking space away from other product, but if selling all the starters gets them past the break-even point, how much do they care?
If they are not a gaming shop, stocking Battle for Vedros may be a one time thing.
To be honest, my biggest concern about this style of release is us gamers buying up all the starter sets and the stores getting stuck with the small packs.
If they have to discount the small packs to get rid of them, I can't see them re-ordering Battle of Vedros.
Which is why I said we should add a list of stores to the original post...
I stopped by Whistle Stop Toys in Port Townsend (in Washington State) today, but they didn't have the Vedros display out or any items in stock yet. But it is a pretty cool place. I was expecting just a toy store, but they were selling Magic and had a number of gaming tables in the space above the main retail store.
Anyone have stats for the other units in Vedros yet? So far, I have seen stats only for the main set, and the WarTrakk.
Mezmaron wrote: I stopped by Whistle Stop Toys in Port Townsend (in Washington State) today, but they didn't have the Vedros display out or any items in stock yet. But it is a pretty cool place. I was expecting just a toy store, but they were selling Magic and had a number of gaming tables in the space above the main retail store.
Anyone have stats for the other units in Vedros yet? So far, I have seen stats only for the main set, and the WarTrakk.
Thanks! Mez
They're all in the main book, in the core box set. I can get pics up if you want.
These 25mm bases are just fine. You could put the SMs on 32mm bases if you want to. They are not necessary ruleswise though. Orks are still on 25mm.
The Vedros/Black Reach miniatures are for slottabases - they have a plastic tab you push into the slot in such a base - and GW is not offering them in 32mm.
By cutting the tab off you could glue them onto any base obviously. GW offers cheap scenic plastic bases in 32mm which I would recommend if you decide to use larger ones.
Warhams-77 wrote: These 25mm bases are just fine. You could put the SMs on 32mm bases if you want to. They are not necessary ruleswise though. Orks are still on 25mm.
The Vedros/Black Reach miniatures are for slottabases - they have a plastic tab you push into the slot in such a base - and GW is not offering them in 32mm.
By cutting the tab off you could glue them onto any base obviously. GW offers cheap scenic plastic bases in 32mm which I would recommend if you decide to use larger ones.
So basically, GW never clarified or explained what models goes on what size base in the year plus since the whole 32mm first came out? And it's all "whatever you want to do". There isn't even an Orkmoticon that adequately expresses my frustration.
What are most people doing with their Marines? If I went to a tournament, what bases will I see most for Space Marines?
And if I put the Space Marines in 32mm, it only seems right to put the bigger Orks on 32mm too....
Mezmaron wrote: So I picked up Vedros up - I've been on a long 40k hiatus.
I noticed that they included 25mm bases. I thought that Space Marines (and the Ork models too?) were on 32mm these days?
So if I want to play in regular 40K games, what do I based them on?
Thanks! Mez
GW stance is "Use the base that came with them". There are some 40K minis that came with square bases and they are perfectly fine. It's only nerds and geeks who say differently.
I'm just going to base all the regular Space Marines and Orks (Boyz/Nobs) on 32mm, they look better that way. The others will be based on what they came with. I've only played in one tournament in the 20+ years of playing 40K (off and on), so I'm not going to worry about potential tournament illegality.
Question about Vedros Starter Set - I seems to have a collection of remaining Ork arms, even after assembling all of the models. I'm guessing that is because the sprues were from the old starter set which came with a few additional sprues originally?
Saw the display at Magic Mouse Toys in Downtown Seattle (Pioneer Square) the other day.
Kind of cool to see GW in the wild, outside of their own stores again.
I'm just going to base all the regular Space Marines and Orks (Boyz/Nobs) on 32mm, they look better that way. The others will be based on what they came with. I've only played in one tournament in the 20+ years of playing 40K (off and on), so I'm not going to worry about potential tournament illegality.
Question about Vedros Starter Set - I seems to have a collection of remaining Ork arms, even after assembling all of the models. I'm guessing that is because the sprues were from the old starter set which came with a few additional sprues originally?
Thanks! Mez
I like putting Boyz on 25mm bases and the Nobz on 32mm bases - with how big the units of Boyz can be, small bases helps reduce their footprint, both on the table as well as in your cases.
For all their missteps as the lumbering, stumbling, boutique-priced behemoth of tabletop gaming, it’s worth commenting when Games Workshop does something right. Slowly, quietly, that’s been happening more often in the wake of Kevin Rountree taking over as CEO from Tom Kirby. There’s been a small but noticeable shift in pricing and release schedules for their miniatures over the past year, a welcome change from the prior decade’s tactic of limitless price increases and 120 dollar basic games.
The best example of this is out only recently, in the form of Battle for Vedros, Games Workshop’s new introductory Warhammer 40,000 experience. Out this past June, it’s different from anything the company’s done with its product line, at least in the modern era, and it’s a good thing for both Games Workshop and prospective players.
The gist is this: Games Workshop, through ludicrous prices and the slow decline of brick and mortar gaming stores, hasn’t had a way to get new and/or young players into the hobby for a long time. There’s no way a kid on allowance can go snatch up one of the starting armies or game sets. Battle for Vedros aims to change the calculus of how newbies get into the game by offering a stripped down version of the rules and cheaper entry cost.
The box contains a handful of Orks and Space Marines, bread and butter stuff to any old Warhammer 40,000 fan, and uses older, but not outdated, miniatures to both clear stock and keep the price low. The rules are, as stated, stripped down; they’re meant for preteens just getting into games of this type. Since Games Workshop games all use the same basic mechanics, it’s a simple thing to scale up and the easing into the water is a good approach. All told, the set runs 50 bucks and contains a pretty impressive collection of miniatures for the cost, all of them snapping together so kids don’t have to worry about glue.
Most importantly—and very against type, given Games Workshop’s ambivalence toward independent retailers—the set is specifically meant for non-gaming stores. It’s meant to be sold at places like model train stores, general hobby outlets, and the odd book store. This is vitally important to Games Workshop’s future success: the old rules are out, boardgames dominate shelf space at gaming stores, and the mere whisper of Games Workshop’s name is now synonymous with hyper-inflated prices for the old wargaming hands. Battle for Vedros also has a slick website meant for the novice, a nice change from Games Workshop’s labyrinthine main site.
It would be easy to be cynical about this, given Games Workshop’s past history and their naked ruthlessness. But this seems like a legitimately good thing, offering an easy vector for kids to get into things. It’s hard to find anything bad about it at all; it can even be used to plug holes in a more scaled up, traditional Space Marine or Ork army.
But more than just the specifics around this, it’s part of a piece with the aforementioned shift in policy. It’s slow going and subtle, but it might just be that Games Workshop is pulling its head out of the mire. To survive, the company was going to have to do two things: tap into videogames as a way of getting people into its wargames, and rein in its prices by going cheaper and more accessible. Against all expectations from the last decade and a half, Games Workshop is doing precisely those two things, and the future suddenly looks brighter.
Until this thread popped back up, I forgot this was actually a thing- which says something about how successful this venture has actually been, especially in Southern California, like Bob mentioned.
Considering just how many hobby shops (not just ones that specifically sell games or cater to gamers) we have down here, you'd think these things would be starting to crop up more often.
Of course in reality I just want them to show up at the big corporate chain stores where I can abuse the coupon systems, but regardless- we should see these down in SoCal by now!
gigasnail wrote: Not in SoCal, but close: they have them at the Fresno Hobbytown.
Is that anywhere near the zoo? I haven't spent much time in Fresno.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: Until this thread popped back up, I forgot this was actually a thing- which says something about how successful this venture has actually been, especially in Southern California, like Bob mentioned.
Considering just how many hobby shops (not just ones that specifically sell games or cater to gamers) we have down here, you'd think these things would be starting to crop up more often.
Of course in reality I just want them to show up at the big corporate chain stores where I can abuse the coupon systems, but regardless- we should see these down in SoCal by now!
Well, you can't expect them to cater to every mega population center.
It's easy to find, I guess 10 minutes including traffic from the Fresno-Chaffee zoo. Blackstone and Barstow.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As a counterpoint, I did not see them in Michael's or the new Hobbylobby that just opened. I haven't been to the other game store (crazy squirrel) in awhile, but I can check on the way home.
If this was supposed to be 40K's big break into more mainstream stores, it doesn't seem to really be working. The only place I've seen it locally is a game store that already had 40K stuff.
TheWaspinator wrote: If this was supposed to be 40K's big break into more mainstream stores, it doesn't seem to really be working. The only place I've seen it locally is a game store that already had 40K stuff.
Yeah, I haven't seen these anywhere, not even on the shelves of the local game stores.
Hoping to attract new modelers to the hobby, Games Workshop will launch a new line of introductory-level kits next month: Warhammer 40,000 Build + Paint.
Each kit is packaged in a brightly-colored box and includes two or more plastic model kits from Workshop’s Warhammer 40,000 line, plus all of the paint, glue, and decals needed to assemble and paint them. Each kit also comes with a paintbrush and an assembly guide. The largest kits in the series will also include a display mat to showcase the models once they are completed. The kits are designed to be easy to assemble and paint, and are suitable for ages 8 and up.
The first series of six kits includes three Space Marine kits and three Ork kits:
Space Marine Heavy Assault comes with 5 Terminator marines, 1 Dreadnought, scenery pieces, display mat, and 6 paint colors. MSRP is $39.99.
Space Marine Speeder Strike features 1 Land Speeder vehicle, scenery pieces, and 4 paint colors. MSRP is $24.99.
Space Marine Bike Attack includes 1 space marine on bike, 1 Terminator hero, and 3 paint colors. $14.99.
Space Ork Raiders has 1 Deffkopta on a flying stand, 1 Ork Warboss, 7 Orks, a set of barricades, display mat, and 6 paint colors. MSRP is $39.99.
Space Ork Trukkboys includes 1 Wartrukk with 4 Ork Boyz and 4 paint colors. MSRP is $24.99.
Space Ork Blastabike comes with 1 ork on a half-track Warbike, 1 Ork Nob, and 3 paint colors. MSRP is $14.99.
The Build + Paint line will be offered to retailers through trade distribution channels instead of GW’s in-house sales team. The new kits fit the theme and style of the introductory Battle for Vedros boxed game, released into the trade earlier this year (see “Games Workshop Offers ‘Battle for Vedros’”).
Just curious going back to Ultramarines? Is it because Dark Angels are green and Orks are green they didn't want two green armies? Why not Blood Angels or having the name "blood" would scary the parents off?
Just wondering why back to Ultramarines again? Unless they will be the poster boys again for 8th edition. If so does this mean they will be the saviours of Imperium of Man and will be the most hated SM chapter again because of all the Mary Sues that will be on that team?
There's no Ultramarine sculpted iconography on them (just codex-standard tactical shoulder marking). But aside from being a nice contrast with the Ork green (which is probably reason enough), Ultramarine blue is a pretty forgiving color to paint, which is important for a set aimed at 8-year-olds. I guess they could have gone for Crimson Fists too, but that would mean including a red paint and they're trying to include all you need in the set, I think.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It's because they're reusing the old Assault on Black Reach sprues/molds, and the marines from that have sculpted Ultramarine pads.
No they don't. Black Reach did not have any molded badges besides the Tactical Squad arrow. It is why nearly every marine player...ever has at least one BR Marine in their army. I think the boxed set before BR had UM stuff on it though. But the Vedros stuff so far has been 100% badge-free.
If I see the Terminator one, I will probably pick it up. I need a MM Dreadnought and some more Terminators. Win-win.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It's because they're reusing the old Assault on Black Reach sprues/molds, and the marines from that have sculpted Ultramarine pads.
No they don't. Black Reach did not have any molded badges besides the Tactical Squad arrow. It is why nearly every marine player...ever has at least one BR Marine in their army. I think the boxed set before BR had UM stuff on it though. But the Vedros stuff so far has been 100% badge-free.
If I see the Terminator one, I will probably pick it up. I need a MM Dreadnought and some more Terminators. Win-win.
The Battle of Macragge (4th ed starter), while being very UM themed, had no molded iconography. Didn’t even have the tactical arrow. DV was the first chapter specific starter.
I’m with you on the dread/termi box. As I never picked up AoBR, I don’t have those minis. BaC broke me on not getting new terminators (curse those large bases) and the only MM dread I have is a kitbashed arm I made.
When you only are going to get one of something, the fact that they are mono-pose pushfits is not quite as big a deal. And the price is right.
Erren wrote: There's no Ultramarine sculpted iconography on them (just codex-standard tactical shoulder marking). But aside from being a nice contrast with the Ork green (which is probably reason enough), Ultramarine blue is a pretty forgiving color to paint, which is important for a set aimed at 8-year-olds. I guess they could have gone for Crimson Fists too, but that would mean including a red paint and they're trying to include all you need in the set, I think.
This. Ultramarines are the pretty much the easiest army for a beginner to paint, in my opinion.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: It's because they're reusing the old Assault on Black Reach sprues/molds, and the marines from that have sculpted Ultramarine pads.
No they don't. Black Reach did not have any molded badges besides the Tactical Squad arrow. It is why nearly every marine player...ever has at least one BR Marine in their army. I think the boxed set before BR had UM stuff on it though. But the Vedros stuff so far has been 100% badge-free.
If I see the Terminator one, I will probably pick it up. I need a MM Dreadnought and some more Terminators. Win-win.
The terminators had an iron-cross looking thing on one shoulder pad, I think.
Rezyn wrote: got this for my son for Christmas. The Marine+Orks starter. He loves 40k and always wants to play with me. Hopefully he likes painting them too.
It was actually quite hard to find. Luckily Amazon had it for the cheapz. Only 1 hobby store in town carried it.
The simplified rules look like a good entry point as well. I hope that you both have fun with it.
These new kits look like they are significantly cheaper than the non-starter BfV kits on Amazon. Or are the Amazon merchants just jacking up the prices?
Some merchants will always try to undercut others, so you get a lot of low prices upon release. The ones that don't sell are the ones with significant markups.
I know I grabbed a BFV for something like $40.99 when it was released.
