"I saw a picture of an exclusive HH Space Marine, which will be available in GW stores the 25th June. It's a World Eater, with a long blade / short Spear, and Terminator armour. The price will be 35€, while stock last... "
As usual, take it with a bit of salt, I may get confirmation pics end of the day.
Ah, so these are the containers from the awesome Calth board at Warhammer World?
I wondered how they had done so many... again hidden in plain sight.
These are so cool, kinda gutted the plastic bases have just come out. These plus the containers etc mean that I can recreate Calth spaceport for my 30K armies, but have already started doing them on sandy bases.....
The containers look pretty nice. Not too horrible priced either if it's 3 for £20.
The bases seems quite competitively priced as well if it's indeed 60 of them for £25 (although I doubt the wisdom of only selling such a large pack). It's a bit weird actually that it's taken this long for GW to offer textured bases, considering they've been sold by 3rd party manufacturers for years and years.
It's also a bit weird that GW never produce any alien terrain, but always go for the imperial stuff. Of course, the majority of armies are marines, guard or other imperial forces and a imperial battlefield is kinda the default, but this is the kind of terrain that's the easiest to make yourself and where the 3rd party competition is the most fierce.
If they produced some Eldar or Tau terrain they would have almost no competition and these types of smooth, organic stuff without much straight lines isn't something many people can build themselves.
Those aren't the same crates as on the Calth board. If you look at the two side by side, it's obvious that they're different.
Also, the doors on these new ones open and they have Storm Bolters on top. I'm assuming that they'll be a selectable Fortification with a transport capacity and automatic fire (BS2) weapon options. Maybe something like a Drop Pod that is dropped in via air lifter instead of orbital reentry.
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Zywus wrote: The containers look pretty nice. Not too horrible priced either if it's 3 for £20.
The bases seems quite competitively priced as well if it's indeed 60 of them for £25 (although I doubt the wisdom of only selling such a large pack). It's a bit weird actually that it's taken this long for GW to offer textured bases, considering they've been sold by 3rd party manufacturers for years and years.
It's also a bit weird that GW never produce any alien terrain, but always go for the imperial stuff. Of course, the majority of armies are marines, guard or other imperial forces and a imperial battlefield is kinda the default, but this is the kind of terrain that's the easiest to make yourself and where the 3rd party competition is the most fierce.
If they produced some Eldar or Tau terrain they would have almost no competition and these types of smooth, organic stuff without much straight lines isn't something many people can build themselves.
There is an entire line of Tau terrain/fortifications that were recently released.
Sinful Hero wrote: Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
But these are a completely original design uninfluenced by anything outside of 40K's rich lore. Y'know, just like everything else in 40K.
Sinful Hero wrote: Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
Serves you well, for the rest this is bloody welcome and well due ^^
It's interesting to see that 32mm Imperialis bases match perfectly the 25mm and 40mm bases that I have been building using oop Imperialis Basing kit, including the thin edge-of-no-details.
We haven't seen it all yet. The text on the left refers toLarge Base Detail Kit. Pics please!
Sinful Hero wrote: Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
Serves you well, for the rest this is bloody welcome and well due ^^
I'm sorry? I don't think I understand what you're trying to tell me.
Kriswall wrote: Also, the doors on these new ones open and they have Storm Bolters on top. I'm assuming that they'll be a selectable Fortification with a transport capacity and automatic fire (BS2) weapon options. Maybe something like a Drop Pod that is dropped in via air lifter instead of orbital reentry.
Or more like makeshift barriers hastily converted from shipping containers that they had on-hand.
StraightSilver wrote: Ah, so these are the containers from the awesome Calth board at Warhammer World?
I wondered how they had done so many... again hidden in plain sight.
No, those containers are different. They were originally made to fit the Thunderhawk Transporter, but were never put into production for whatever reason
Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
It's because GW doesn't want you to make your own or buy them elsewhere. It's just GW expanding their ecosystem of products in their desire to be more like Apple.
StraightSilver wrote: Ah, so these are the containers from the awesome Calth board at Warhammer World?
I wondered how they had done so many... again hidden in plain sight.
No, those containers are different. They were originally made to fit the Thunderhawk Transporter, but were never put into production for whatever reason
Ah fair enough, I actually went back and google imaged the Calth board and yes they are different, but similar enough that I can try to emulate Calth space port.
Zywus wrote: The containers look pretty nice. Not too horrible priced either if it's 3 for £20.
The bases seems quite competitively priced as well if it's indeed 60 of them for £25 (although I doubt the wisdom of only selling such a large pack). It's a bit weird actually that it's taken this long for GW to offer textured bases, considering they've been sold by 3rd party manufacturers for years and years.
It's also a bit weird that GW never produce any alien terrain, but always go for the imperial stuff. Of course, the majority of armies are marines, guard or other imperial forces and a imperial battlefield is kinda the default, but this is the kind of terrain that's the easiest to make yourself and where the 3rd party competition is the most fierce.
If they produced some Eldar or Tau terrain they would have almost no competition and these types of smooth, organic stuff without much straight lines isn't something many people can build themselves.
There is an entire line of Tau terrain/fortifications that were recently released.
I guess. But those were more like gaming pieces weren't they and priced way, way above what most people are willing to pay for terrain. Plus, weren't they a limited release?
Zywus wrote: The containers look pretty nice. Not too horrible priced either if it's 3 for £20.
The bases seems quite competitively priced as well if it's indeed 60 of them for £25 (although I doubt the wisdom of only selling such a large pack). It's a bit weird actually that it's taken this long for GW to offer textured bases, considering they've been sold by 3rd party manufacturers for years and years.
It's also a bit weird that GW never produce any alien terrain, but always go for the imperial stuff. Of course, the majority of armies are marines, guard or other imperial forces and a imperial battlefield is kinda the default, but this is the kind of terrain that's the easiest to make yourself and where the 3rd party competition is the most fierce.
If they produced some Eldar or Tau terrain they would have almost no competition and these types of smooth, organic stuff without much straight lines isn't something many people can build themselves.
There is an entire line of Tau terrain/fortifications that were recently released.
I guess. But those were more like gaming pieces weren't they and priced way, way above what most people are willing to pay for terrain. Plus, weren't they a limited release?
No they're still very much in-store at the moment.
60 bases for £20? Yeah, I'll be getting that. The terrain looks nice and usable as well.
I didn't notice the storm bolters at first. Funny! I don't recall a story about a dock foreman eating a shot to the face because he didn't key in the correct passcode before picking up the crate with a forklift.
Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
Not saying you can't get cheaper alternatives however 90% of the containers out there are just bad mdf versions and most of the plastic ones don't open either to be decent cover type structures. I'd pick up at least one box mostly because they fit one of the board themes I have, industrial waste war zone with promethium pipes, gale force 9 toxic ponds, etc.
Bases are coming out just in time for me to base an entire FF stand-in marine army. Even the right number (60) in a cheaper than you can get them from 3rd parties and in plastic. Sold!
Kriswall wrote: There is an entire line of Tau terrain/fortifications that were recently released.
I guess. But those were more like gaming pieces weren't they and priced way, way above what most people are willing to pay for terrain. Plus, weren't they a limited release?
How limited is limited? I can buy them right now.
I like these containers. Yes, there are cheaper ones (usually MDF), but most of the ones I've seen are ... crap. Only the OOP ones from AT-43 and 4Ground's new ones are any good, IMO.
I'm sorry? I don't think I understand what you're trying to tell me.
not much other than some do appreciate these kind of releases
I appreciate them releasing more terrain options, my only concern is how it will be priced.
aracersss wrote: This week release list:
Citadel Technical: Soulstone Blue 3.30€ (If painted over bright metallic colours, should create a gemstone-effect)
Citadel Technical: Spiritstone Red 3.30€
Citadel Technical: Waystone Green 3.30€
If I played regularly on that Sector Imperialis RoB board, I'd get a load of these bases. I've not done that much work on my Emperor's Children army yet, so I could rebase. As it is, though, I don't, so I'll stick with what I've got. No point having urban bases when your army is tramping through scrubland.
aracersss wrote: This week release list:
Citadel Technical: Soulstone Blue 3.30€ (If painted over bright metallic colours, should create a gemstone-effect)
Citadel Technical: Spiritstone Red 3.30€
Citadel Technical: Waystone Green 3.30€
All three of these are used for Gemstones?
More likely to duplicate some of Forge World's Horus Heresy era paint schemes.
If those gemstone paints really work, I would love that. I hate how lusterless my Blood Angels gems are, it would be grand if they provide a good effect.
One other really good place to use on the eyepieces of Space Marine helmets. I am going to snap up the green and red versions if they actually work.
Medium density fiberboard (MDF) is a high grade, composite material that performs better than solid wood in many areas. Made from recycled wood fibers and resin, MDF is machine dried and pressed to produce dense, stable sheets. MDF is more stable than solid wood and stands up better to changes in heat and humidity.
Seems like an odd choice for terrain considering how easy it can be to make cargo containers, and how many different manufacturers already offer them.
You say that, but it's easy to make generic sci-fi or modern-ish cargo containers. Making gothic-styled containers is, I can attest from experience, a soul-destroying, fiddly, irritating, time-consuming slog if you want them to look any good, and mindbogglingly repetitive if you want loads of them without resin casting.
At discounter prices, assuming they're not direct-only, I'd rather cough up and save my terrain building energy for projects that don't make me want to carve out my eyeballs with my own exacto knife out of sheer boredom.
Man, why does GW start releasing even more cool stuff when I'm broke as a joke? Because they hate me, that's why.
Also, calling the special rules on the crates now:
"Emperor-wall formation: Requires six sets of crates that must be fielded in a straight line. Grants the following rules:
-Not as stupid as the Tidewall: You don't play Tau, so you auto don't-suck
-Grey is Good: If fielded unpainted (because who paints anything these days) the formation sits on the board and looks bad.
-We Totally Got You to Buy These: Queue a random GW employee to appear, cackle evilly, give the finger to any Australian players present, and knock over a Warmachine/Hordes display before running off into the night."
Honestly, I'm just annoyed I don't have any money...daddy wants some of these.
Edit: I'd meant to ask, because I hadn't seen it, but are the bases displayed in the OP the only ones? I'd be down for some other options too.
I remember a few years ago, there was an Imperial Fist army pictured with containers/fortifications that looked like they had been converted using enlarged Rhino hulls.
One was decked up as a Techmarine's workshop with a large servo arm.
I'm still tempted although, as an IG player, I wonder if you can give them heavy stubbers.
Personally, as I was considering buying the Renegade game, I may have to throw in for a few large bases as well.
Hm, Im undecided if I like the containers.
For what its worth, they well represent the arrogance of dysfunctional Imperial design.
All that wasted stocking space by making the floor space narrow, and at the same time allowing boxes to slide and bang themself against the walls during transport.
Its anoyingly stupid in design (not to mention the mounted weapons) -but I think thats what I like about them.
Fayric wrote: Hm, Im undecided if I like the containers.
For what its worth, they well represent the arrogance of dysfunctional Imperial design.
All that wasted stocking space by making the floor space narrow, and at the same time allowing boxes to slide and bang themself against the walls during transport.
Its anoyingly stupid in design (not to mention the mounted weapons) -but I think thats what I like about them.
There's also various mysterious control systems that the tech priests are way of. One control seems to activate a field that holds everything rigidly in place. They've come to the conclusion that the machine spirit is angered by its pressing and will hold the contents in spite regardless of the tech priests ministrations and holy oils. They've labelled it off limits and will reduce anyone fiddling to servitor components. There's another button labelled "off", but no one knows what that does...!
I guess the idea is that IG / SM use these as temporary fortifications that can be quickly dropped in place. Which, surprisingly enough, actually does make sense.
Hmm.. This feels almost too sensible and usable to be a 40k terrain release. And not too many skulls either! Although it's probably way overpriced, but anyway.
These are nice, but they seem slightly out of place. Not Gothic enough - too modern Sci-Fi looking. Depending on the price, though, these might be competitive in comparison to the other shipping containers that are readily available (and really nice looking) out there from MDF laser-cutting companies.
Yep! Modern containers require a lot of reinforcement to make them useful for force protection. Imperial containers are likely over-engineered and suitable.
Those crates and bases look awesome! GW must have know I ran out of bases just yesterday because I am very tempted by them. I only know of one other company that makes good scenic bases in plastic and their eBay store is all out of them at the moment.
About time they released some container scenery...certainly looks the part (look, gothic arches!). I see they got the obligatory skulls on there too. Still, makes them a little less desirable as a generic sci-fi terrain piece...then again, most of the 40K terrain doesn't really fit anywhere but in the 40k universe, so mission accomplished. The crates and barrels are a nice touch.
Citadel Technical: Soulstone Blue 3.30€ (If painted over bright metallic colours, should create a gemstone-effect)
Citadel Technical: Spiritstone Red 3.30€
Citadel Technical: Waystone Green 3.30€
Ahhhhhh, they're clear paints! Nah, I'll pass. Stick with Tamiya for now when i need them....
So which warehouse worker is going to get fired for selling multiple stolen GW products weeks in advance of its shipping date to retailers? Not only was this moron dumb enough to sell product well before anyone outside the warehouse has access to it but he was selling it well below the msrp and shipping it via eBay before the product even goes up for preorder. If GW doesn't fire someone at the warehouse for this I'll be surprised.
New paints: (We may have extreme limitations on these for the first order.)
Citadel Layer: Fulgurite Copper 4.50€
Citadel Layer: Skullcrusher Brass 4.50€
Citadel Layer: Stormhost Silver 4.50€
Citadel Shade: Agrax Earthshade Gloss (24ml) 6€
Citadel Shade: Nuln Oil Gloss (24ml) 6€
Citadel Shade: Reikland Fleshshade Gloss (24ml) 6€
Citadel Technical: Soulstone Blue 3.30€ (If painted over bright metallic colours, should create a gemstone-effect)
Citadel Technical: Spiritstone Red 3.30€
Citadel Technical: Waystone Green 3.30€
Oh, I SO want to see how this effect is!
My money is on it behaving much the same as transparent clears from other manufacturers.
Tamiya make a clear blue, red, yellow, green and orange. I think Vallejo do some transparent colours as well. There's also Humbrol options and Gunze options. Probably others I don't know about.
Great to see Games Workshop making more terrain... even if that terrain is pretty much the most easily made and widely produced terrain on the market...
gungo wrote: So which warehouse worker is going to get fired for selling multiple stolen GW products weeks in advance of its shipping date to retailers? Not only was this moron dumb enough to sell product well before anyone outside the warehouse has access to it but he was selling it well below the msrp and shipping it via eBay before the product even goes up for preorder. If GW doesn't fire someone at the warehouse for this I'll be surprised.
I'm guessing the technical gem paints are either just very glossy clear paints, or some sort of paint that creates little cells over its surface so it looks like a faceted gem.
Really curious for a picture of the effect though.
I think that it's likely just them bringing in rules from existing sources(Cities of Death/Stronghold Assault) and making it so that you don't have to say "We're playing Cities of Death" or "We're playing Stronghold Assault".
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: They've already got a clear red technical paint for blood, so presumably the red gem one will have to do something else?
I’ve used BftBG over metallics before, and while I enjoy the results, I’d not describe them as “gem-like” At least in the sense of how GW has been telling us how to paint gems for years.
(Of course, I did use it for gems, among other things. But I’m a lazy painter)
I am looking forward to seeing how the new paints look. Technical paints are great for mediocre guys like myself.
gungo wrote: So which warehouse worker is going to get fired for selling multiple stolen GW products weeks in advance of its shipping date to retailers? Not only was this moron dumb enough to sell product well before anyone outside the warehouse has access to it but he was selling it well below the msrp and shipping it via eBay before the product even goes up for preorder. If GW doesn't fire someone at the warehouse for this I'll be surprised.
gungo wrote: So which warehouse worker is going to get fired for selling multiple stolen GW products weeks in advance of its shipping date to retailers? Not only was this moron dumb enough to sell product well before anyone outside the warehouse has access to it but he was selling it well below the msrp and shipping it via eBay before the product even goes up for preorder. If GW doesn't fire someone at the warehouse for this I'll be surprised.
oni wrote: After some thought I'm betting that the gem paints are nothing more than the old ink paints, if that's the case, they're nothing special.
That's pretty much what their shades are already. Maybe they're experimenting with the medium they're using?
The current Shades are no different than the Washes they had a few years ago. The Ink paints are circa 4th edition - they came in the old school bolter shell pots. The old Ink paints were more of a high gloss glaze.
So I am willing to bet the Promethium Barrels do something like reroll wounds for Flamers or add Torrent to flamers. It is kinda neat that the shipping containers come with Storm bolters. I would laugh if they were basically Drop Pods without Drop Pod Assault.
casvalremdeikun wrote: So I am willing to bet the Promethium Barrels do something like reroll wounds for Flamers or add Torrent to flamers. It is kinda neat that the shipping containers come with Storm bolters. I would laugh if they were basically Drop Pods without Drop Pod Assault.
Ehhh...they're likely going to be "Mysterious Terrain" with either Promethium Barrels or Supply Caches inside.
I think that it's likely just them bringing in rules from existing sources(Cities of Death/Stronghold Assault) and making it so that you don't have to say "We're playing Cities of Death" or "We're playing Stronghold Assault".
Well, yeah, rules. Otherwise how would you know how the official rule for how they block line of sight? Make it up?
It's interesting to see that 32mm Imperialis bases match perfectly the 25mm and 40mm bases that I have been building using oop Imperialis Basing kit, including the thin edge-of-no-details.
We haven't seen it all yet. The text on the left refers to Large Base Detail Kit. Pics please!
Regarding the bolded. That is simply the topdown view of the smooth beveled edge that is on all gw bases.
Eh, rules for LOS blockers sounds silly BUT we all know red barrels explode! So splodey rules could be fun and make them risky cover. And Storm bolters on the bawkses, because why not?
Storm Bolters?
So how do they stack the containers if there are SBs on them?
And all the wasted space for cargo with the non squared shape.
The arches on top were enough to get the 40k look.
Making the bottoms have tapered sides moved it into stupid territory.
I would have liked a crate/barrel set all on its own. like the one that had pallets included that they had back a few years ago.
Storm Bolters?
So how do they stack the containers if there are SBs on them?
And all the wasted space for cargo with the non squared shape.
The arches on top were enough to get the 40k look.
Making the bottoms have tapered sides moved it into stupid territory.
I would have liked a crate/barrel set all on its own. like the one that had pallets included that they had back a few years ago.
casvalremdeikun wrote: So I am willing to bet the Promethium Barrels do something like reroll wounds for Flamers or add Torrent to flamers. It is kinda neat that the shipping containers come with Storm bolters. I would laugh if they were basically Drop Pods without Drop Pod Assault.
Ehhh...they're likely going to be "Mysterious Terrain" with either Promethium Barrels or Supply Caches inside.
I don't know. They seem like they will be a little more than just that due to the Storm Bolters. But who knows. I know I will be getting a set for some more battlefield terrain. Some Quake Cannon Craters and some Crates and whatnot will make some great combinations.
skrulnik wrote: Storm Bolters?
So how do they stack the containers if there are SBs on them?
Take the storm bolters off?
I would assume that they're just fitted as required to the containers on the top of the stack, rather then being a permanent fixture.
And all the wasted space for cargo with the non squared shape..
That's a fairly common issue with scifi shipping containers... The square box is more functional, but ultimately doesn't look as sexy or futuristic on the table.
This is one of those places I'm more than happy to trade function for form, and go with what looks cool on the table.
My brass and copper colors in both Vallejo and Citadel have all gone wiffy, so probably grabbing those, and I'll give the new technicals a go, because I likes my FX stuff.
Can't think of too many applications for a gloss wash, anyone?
As usual there are photos on the spikey bits forums. The washes are for keeping metallics shiny according to the blurb. The following week is crates, broodlord clam pack (Lord of the brood) and enginseer clampack (master of machines) according to the hint.
I like them, a lot. My dreams of a space port table come closer to reality.
I just wish they were bigger, I'd love a container that could carry a chimera or rhino.
And rules
OMG random chart for what you find, machine spirit for the storm bolters, chance of exploding from a penetrating hit... the mind boggles how stupid this could get.
Chikout wrote: The following week is... enginseer clampack (master of machines) according to the hint.
The one that up until now has only been available with his own pet Leman Russ tank?
I assume so but I am just infering that from the hint which says Lord of the brood, master of machines and crate expectations. I don't see what else that could mean.
You fool Kyoto! The crates are for hiding your Hybrids.
It's a new rule: Crate Strike.
It's the same as the current Deep Strike rule, only worded slightly different because 7th Edition.
[EDIT]: Oh and BTW, everyone, if it appears through my comments in this thread thus far that I am complaining about these crates, I actually think they are fantastic. Can't wait to get a pair of boxes (can't have an odd number of barrels now can we?).
I haven't felt this underwhelmed since I watched Lost the TV series
I can see the rational for people buying the bases if you'll getting a load of them for cheap, but the crates and containers?
MEH!!
There is probably two dozen companies out there selling something similar. Hell, Warlord games does a range of crates and barrels for its Judge Dredd game, and they look much better.
Anybody who can get their hands on foamcard or plasticard could crank these out in less than half a day. I would encourage people to do so, as the base materials are cheap, and it's pretty straightforward. A sharp knife, a steel rule, and some glue is all you need. Add some textured paint or bits and bobs from your bitz pile, and away you go.
I guarantee you'll get that warm fuzzy feeling from making your own terrain and saving money.
Those shipping crates are futuristic yet gothic and are not covered in a ton of skulls. I didn't think a good, tasteful terrain kit was possible from GW after the skull fortress.
I am SO in for those crates, paints and those bases! Damn, they are just too good, I have been making my own urban bases with bits from an Imperial Sector box, but those are just way better!
Sorry, EU regulations prohibit me from working more than 8 hours
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I know that Wayland Games has a mixed reception on this site. Some people love them, others hate them, but that's not the issue here.
For those looking for alternatives to these GW crates and containers, a quick Wayland search throws up a variety of options at a variety of prices.
Of course, other companies are out there too, but it does highlight the multitude of options for people if they want to buy crates, if they're not interested in making them.
My aim is to be a good member of the community by offering tips on making your own stuff, or providing cheaper alternatives to help people save money, if they're interested.
That "Lord of the Brood" would seem to imply a clamshell Brood Lord... Now I wonder if it's going to be Deathwatch or Cryptus version... probably the latter methinks.
The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
So if GW get this right they will have done good I reckon.
I these are £30 for 3 then I'm not too interested, £15 is another matter. Add in the barrels/boxes and this would be a very good set at a decent price.
GW have traditionally been very good value for terrain kits so I'm hopeful that they can get this right.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Anyone else find it kind of funny that Crimson Slaughter can't seem to find enough replacement parts to keep their storm bolters maintained?
But they found so many Autocannons in those crates!
Apparently, my entire life is a lie. I thought I, and everyone I've ever played games with in the last 26 years, was a wargamer. Now you're here to tell me I was wrong.
Even if I buy GW's Battlefield Accessories set, I can't see how it'd be more worthwhile for me to buy and learn how to operate a lathe to turn my own barrels.
Apparently, my entire life is a lie. I thought I, and everyone I've ever played games with in the last 26 years, was a wargamer. Now you're here to tell me I was wrong.
Even if I buy GW's Battlefield Accessories set, I can't see how it'd be more worthwhile for me to buy and learn how to operate a lathe to turn my own barrels.
I think we have driven this bit of snark into the ground. Let's move on.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Anyone else find it kind of funny that Crimson Slaughter can't seem to find enough replacement parts to keep their storm bolters maintained?
But they found so many Autocannons in those crates!
"...And so my brothers we shall be the Crimson Sabres no more! From this day forth we are THE CRIMSON SLAUGHTER!!!" screamed Kranon relentlessly.
A loud voice boomed from the Warp. "Good my evil minions!" It was Khorne the god of Chaos!
"Oh mighty god of Chaos! Grant us the weapons to crush your foes relentlessly!" screamed Kranon.
"Yes my evil minions! I will!" shouted Khorne chaotically. "Prepare yourselves... FOR MY CHAOS LIGHTNING!!!"
Hot Chaos lightning zapped out of Khorne's fingers and zapped the weapons of the Crimson Slaughter! Their storm bolters' firing mechanisms reconfigured with Warping Chaos energy and became twin-linked! And their grav-cannons' barrels got longer and turned into gun barrels!
"Behold my minions! The sacred weapons of Chaos! The combi-bolter and the autocannon!"
"Thank you almighty god of Chaos! We will never relent until your enemies' blood is crushed relentlessly beneath our combi-bolters and autocannons!" screamed Kranon the Relentless!
"Good! Now go my evil minions!" shouted Khorne! "For Chaos! Hahahahahaha!"
- The Chronicles of the Crimson Slaughter
And that's how it really happened.
But back OT. I'm gonna need about 50 boxes of these. Got a scenario in mind involving a Casket of Souls and The Relic mission.
I can see the rational for people buying the bases if you'll getting a load of them for cheap, but the crates and containers?
MEH!!
There is probably two dozen companies out there selling something similar. Hell, Warlord games does a range of crates and barrels for its Judge Dredd game, and they look much better.
And plenty of companies make models that look similar to Space Marines, that's no use if you want models that are Space Marines. The aesthetic is important to some folk, and I've yet to see containers in a gothic style that are any good. For me, I don't want something that looks modern, and I definitely don't want some anime-lookin' nonsense designed to go with Infinity, and those are the choices available atm in quality, premade containers.
Anybody who can get their hands on foamcard or plasticard could crank these out in less than half a day. I would encourage people to do so, as the base materials are cheap, and it's pretty straightforward. A sharp knife, a steel rule, and some glue is all you need. Add some textured paint or bits and bobs from your bitz pile, and away you go.
I guarantee you'll get that warm fuzzy feeling from making your own terrain and saving money.
As I said earlier - I can guarantee you'll be getting a warm fuzzy feeling too...when you stick your head in a lit oven to end the state of utter boredom punctuated with occasional accidental finger stabbings that attempting to make containers yourself in any numbers would generate. Replicating those containers would require three layers of plasticard detailing over foam, and that's before you even think about the rivets, oh dear sweet merciful jeebus the rivets - an afternoon? Naw. Well, technically. Half an hour to measure and cut each foam base form, minimum two hours for each to mark out, cut, and layer on the plastic detail, at least another 30 mins to rivet it. 3 hours per container, conservatively, so yeah you could replicate the three containers from the box in an afternoon, but three won't give you a very impressive looking industrial/shipyard table, you'd need a couple of dozen(assuming you "fake" bigger stacks by cladding a foam block with containers).
I love crafting terrain, and I well know that sense of accomplishment you mention, but frankly when a project requires this much repetitive, rote work for something as mundane as shipping containers, I start to think that spending three hours worth of wages(assuming someone's on minimum wage and buys these from a discounter) to avoid three hours of tedium is a great idea.
OMG random chart for what you find, machine spirit for the storm bolters, chance of exploding from a penetrating hit... the mind boggles how stupid this could get.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You fool Kyoto! The crates are for hiding your Hybrids.
It's a new rule: Crate Strike.
Hmm.. I could actually go for some Crate Strike rules.
Let's assume that a Thunderhawk does a supply run, dropping a pair of these, causing 1D6 S8 hits to each unit under the drop point - roll for scatter, of course. After that the crates become fortifications and first unit to reach them rolls 1d6 for Special: 6 - Ammo Drop, gain TL, 5 - Fuel Drop, nearby vehicle gains +1d3 inches of movement, ... etc. ..., and of course on a roll of 1 it's Contaminated by Xenos - 1d6 Genestealers jump out and attack the unit
Of course all the illogicalities with shape etc. are because these are specially designed Strike Containers for front line use, so they must have some basic necessities for the troops that uses them as a shelter, such as air purification systems, comms, etc. - not to mention, a place to store those storm bolters
Might be fun to do a 'Container Outpost' for IG, one container done as a command post and a couple for accomondation/supplies, add some sandbags and barbed wire etc. for fortifications.
Not to mention, it would be a good reason to continue my HEMMT-based munitorium cargo truck project..
I'd get one of those containersthey look good! But I have a tendency not to paint terrain (still have 2 sets of citadel woods assembled that I use but haven't painted yet lol)
Any rumours for re-releases of the LOTR minis? Doesn't look like last week's release made any rumour threads till the day it came out
chiefbigredman wrote: I'd get one of those containersthey look good! But I have a tendency not to paint terrain (still have 2 sets of citadel woods assembled that I use but haven't painted yet lol)
Any rumours for re-releases of the LOTR minis? Doesn't look like last week's release made any rumour threads till the day it came out
Because they're not advertising them. It's literally just things going up. White Dwarf doesn't even mention them.
notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
I want
Dockyards are a dangerous place.. Roll a D6 at the start of each player turn, on a 6 an overhead crane drops a shipping container. The active player may deep strike a shipping container anywhere on the board. If the container lands on a unit, friend or foe, do not mishap, instead inflict a number of S: D AP2 hits on the unit equal to the number of models under the container, then move any surviving models the minimum distance needed to allow the container to be placed on the table, this may cause models to move out of coherency.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
I want
Dockyards are a dangerous place.. Roll a D6 at the start of each player turn, on a 6 an overhead crane drops a shipping container. The active player may deep strike a shipping container anywhere on the board. If the container lands on a unit, friend or foe, do not mishap, instead inflict a number of S: D AP2 hits on the unit equal to the number of models under the container, then move any surviving models the minimum distance needed to allow the container to be placed on the table, this may cause models to move out of coherency.
HA! You know, I would actually use those rules. I think theres actually a 30k Istvaan mission with a similar sort of rule that happens every round. I think it could make for some fun, what with the ever shifting terrain.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
That actually makes more sense for the gemstone paints.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
It's interesting to see that 32mm Imperialis bases match perfectly the 25mm and 40mm bases that I have been building using oop Imperialis Basing kit, including the thin edge-of-no-details.
We haven't seen it all yet. The text on the left refers to Large Base Detail Kit. Pics please!
Regarding the bolded. That is simply the topdown view of the smooth beveled edge that is on all gw bases.
Of course, silly me.
Either way, my Skitarii project gladly approves the new bases. Oop Imperialis Basing kit pieces are nicely detailed but they come only in 25 and 40mm and take serious amount of elbow grease to convert.
I am looking forward to see full contents of all base and basing kits before buying all of them. Multiple times.
The container set has my interest.
I have a bunch of MDF ones from a couple of different manufactorers and none of them quite live up to my expectations.
These have a lot more limited scope for use, due to the 40K styling (compared to modern day ones) but for a 40K thing there not to over the top. I also like the amount of boxes / barrels that come with them. The price will dictate how many I get.
I will of course NOT be putting Stormbolters on them, WTF is that about.
If anything surely a Las weapon would make more sense, far more common than bolt weapons in the imperium and no issues with ammo etc.
Image the squad of imperial guardsmen being worse equipped than a bunch of shipping containers their assigned to protect?
Image the squad of imperial guardsmen being worse equipped than a bunch of shipping containers their assigned to protect?
...that actually makes perfect sense, guardsmen are totally disposable, whatever's in the crate is probably worth a lot more. I agree they look silly but I don't think that's why.
the storm bolters on the shipping containers makes no sence. 1st wouldn't a heavy stubber make more sence, since they are in-universe cheaper and more common then storm bolters? The 2nd being who mounts machine-guns on shipping containers?!?!?!?!
Desubot wrote: A Bit more than 10$ a piece for a container with multiple parts and nice details?
Unless you are building a literal shipping yard then it seems pretty good.
was the GW price confirmed?
i saw it sold on ebay for less but i dont think its going to be the same price right?
Two containers for £22.50 without vat or shipping and no other bits such as barrels and in resin.
The GW containers sold on eBay likely from someone in the warehouse (made in China label) stealing them for £20 and £25 for 3 of them in plastic.
However the non huge GW terrain pieces usually sell for somewhere between £22.5 and £35 range. Anywhere in that range is still cheaper than those 2 resin containers and this doesn't even count the 20-25% discount from online retailers or lack of shipping cost. And you still get it in plastic and with extra scenery bits.
Silentz wrote: There are only two questions I have about this which I can't see answered anywhere.
1) Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but crates?
and
2) Can a crate scout?
3)Who can crates ally with? I've a force of Dark Eldar that needs all the extra storage space they can get. Imperial Crates would be a massive time saver for them. ;P
Desubot wrote: A Bit more than 10$ a piece for a container with multiple parts and nice details?
Unless you are building a literal shipping yard then it seems pretty good.
was the GW price confirmed?
i saw it sold on ebay for less but i dont think its going to be the same price right?
Two containers for £22.50 without vat or shipping and no other bits such as barrels and in resin.
The GW containers sold on eBay likely from someone in the warehouse (made in China label) stealing them for £20 and £25 for 3 of them in plastic.
However the non huge GW terrain pieces usually sell for somewhere between £22.5 and £35 range. Anywhere in that range is still cheaper than those 2 resin containers and this doesn't even count the 20-25% discount from online retailers or lack of shipping cost. And you still get it in plastic and with extra scenery bits.
its still not bad.
they are way differently stylized and its from a far smaller shop who probably cant match the economy of volume gw can poop out.
Depending on how much my flgs charges, I may actually purchase a set.
Out of curiosity, did nobody around here purchase the Bones shipping containers? Those are only, like $8. How do you guys not already have a ton of those?
Barzam wrote: Out of curiosity, did nobody around here purchase the Bones shipping containers? Those are only, like $8. How do you guys not already have a ton of those?
Lockark wrote: the storm bolters on the shipping containers makes no sence. 1st wouldn't a heavy stubber make more sence, since they are in-universe cheaper and more common then storm bolters? The 2nd being who mounts machine-guns on shipping containers?!?!?!?!
Thankfully it looks like you can leave the Storm Bolters off. Also:
1)Well, now we know what happened to all the Storm Bolters the Imperium produces.
Desubot wrote: A Bit more than 10$ a piece for a container with multiple parts and nice details?
Unless you are building a literal shipping yard then it seems pretty good.
was the GW price confirmed?
i saw it sold on ebay for less but i dont think its going to be the same price right?
Two containers for £22.50 without vat or shipping and no other bits such as barrels and in resin.
The GW containers sold on eBay likely from someone in the warehouse (made in China label) stealing them for £20 and £25 for 3 of them in plastic.
However the non huge GW terrain pieces usually sell for somewhere between £22.5 and £35 range. Anywhere in that range is still cheaper than those 2 resin containers and this doesn't even count the 20-25% discount from online retailers or lack of shipping cost. And you still get it in plastic and with extra scenery bits.
Those makitainers are 22 Euros including sales tax so approx £17.50 for two and they're plastic.
A little cheaper than the likely price for the GW containers.
Ok, i finally got what these are supposed to be : the new deep-striking transport for the AdMec !
Makes sense : they are all augmented enough to suvive the impact, they can be stored inside them without having to care for the radiation contaminating around them (if they need to be near the IG etc.) and they have a reason to have guns on them - you know how they are with new stuff ^^
When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
Lockark wrote: the storm bolters on the shipping containers makes no sence. 1st wouldn't a heavy stubber make more sence, since they are in-universe cheaper and more common then storm bolters? The 2nd being who mounts machine-guns on shipping containers?!?!?!?!
Thankfully it looks like you can leave the Storm Bolters off. Also:
1)Well, now we know what happened to all the Storm Bolters the Imperium produces.
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
Lockark wrote: the storm bolters on the shipping containers makes no sence. 1st wouldn't a heavy stubber make more sence, since they are in-universe cheaper and more common then storm bolters? The 2nd being who mounts machine-guns on shipping containers?!?!?!?!
Thankfully it looks like you can leave the Storm Bolters off. Also:
1)Well, now we know what happened to all the Storm Bolters the Imperium produces.
2) The US Army, apparently.
Wait what? The us army dose that?
The U.S. Army has acquired a number of shipping containers that have been converted to remote weapons stations. Each container hides a machine gun, grenade launcher, or even an anti-tank weapon, and can detect and respond to enemy fire. According to Defense News, the Army is showing the system off at the Association of the U.S. Army Symposium and Exhibition in Huntsville, Alabama.
The U.S. Army has acquired a number of shipping containers that have been converted to remote weapons stations. Each container hides a machine gun, grenade launcher, or even an anti-tank weapon, and can detect and respond to enemy fire. According to Defense News, the Army is showing the system off at the Association of the U.S. Army Symposium and Exhibition in Huntsville, Alabama.
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
How often will you use the interior of a shipping container?
Silentz wrote: There are only two questions I have about this which I can't see answered anywhere.
1) Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing but crates?
and
2) Can a crate scout?
3)Who can crates ally with? I've a force of Dark Eldar that needs all the extra storage space they can get. Imperial Crates would be a massive time saver for them. ;P
I've checked the FAQs. Your Dark Eldar definitely can take the Imperial crates. Unfortunately you can't deploy with your goods inside them, so you'll need to spend the first two turns doing an inventory and loading them. While under heavy fire.
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
How often will you use the interior of a shipping container?
Depends on what you're using it for... not really relevant for the price discussion though.
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
How often will you use the interior of a shipping container?
Depends on what you're using it for... not really relevant for the price discussion though.
Of course it is- you'll be paying extra for the interior detail over the "plastic lumps". If it's not something you'll use, why would you need it?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: According to a leaked formation 6 crates can be used to form a Danbo pattern Imperial Knight.
With the ability to pump up to 12 S4, AP 5 shots 24" down range it will be cornerstone of many a crate force.
Concept art below.
Oh poor Danbo got weaponized
But rather funny how people asks "who puts weapons on crates" and then turns out US army actually does that (albeit I had same thought myself initially! Seems silly but guess not so silly afterall...)
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
How often will you use the interior of a shipping container?
Depends on what you're using it for... not really relevant for the price discussion though.
Of course it is- you'll be paying extra for the interior detail over the "plastic lumps". If it's not something you'll use, why would you need it?
Some people will use them a lot, some people not at all, same as any feature of any product. If you don't think they're worth the price you can go buy cheaper ones with less detail, no accessories and no interior. Expecting them to cost the same is still not reasonable.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: According to a leaked formation 6 crates can be used to form a Danbo pattern Imperial Knight.
With the ability to pump up to 12 S4, AP 5 shots 24" down range it will be cornerstone of many a crate force.
Concept art below.
Oh poor Danbo got weaponized
But rather funny how people asks "who puts weapons on crates" and then turns out US army actually does that (albeit I had same thought myself initially! Seems silly but guess not so silly afterall...)
People are just thinking in terms of these being used to transport supplies, but once the supplies are delivered, you now have a 8' high metal wall. Why wouldn't you want to put a gun emplacement on your fortification?
Mymearan wrote: ....You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
Expect; No. Would like at £15-20; definitely.
£30 would be too much IMO, even if then discounted.
notprop wrote: When I say affordable I mean £5 or so each, like these prepainted foamed plastic ones from Tablescapes. I have a load of these and none of the hassle or smell of MDF.
So for say £15-20 for 3 (+ crates/barrels), I'd be interested in a few of these kits from GW.
You expect the GW containers, which are much more detailed, made in HIPS, hollow with usable and detailed inside and with extra accessories, to cost the same or just slightly more than those solid foamed plastic lumps? That's... Not reasonable at all. In fact knowing that those cost £5 each, even double the price would be a very fair deal for the GW ones.
How often will you use the interior of a shipping container?
Depends on what you're using it for... not really relevant for the price discussion though.
Of course it is- you'll be paying extra for the interior detail over the "plastic lumps". If it's not something you'll use, why would you need it?
Some people will use them a lot, some people not at all, same as any feature of any product. If you don't think they're worth the price you can go buy cheaper ones with less detail, no accessories and no interior. Expecting them to cost the same is still not reasonable.
Oh, did I say I expect them to cost the same?
I'm just questioning why pay more for a glorified box, and whether the interior detail is a selling point or superfluous.
ashikenshin wrote: Why pay more for better stuff when you can get crappier stuff cheaper.
I'm loving the way they look. Might have to leave my kids without their medicines in order to buy a couple of those haha.
It's literally a box meant to hold things. The cheaper cargo containers fit the style of more systems. How much more are you willing to pay for those extra details for a box?
ashikenshin wrote: Why pay more for better stuff when you can get crappier stuff cheaper.
I'm loving the way they look. Might have to leave my kids without their medicines in order to buy a couple of those haha.
It's literally a box meant to hold things. The cheaper cargo containers fit the style of more systems. How much more are you willing to pay for those extra details for a box?
It doesn't matter if it's an Imperial shrine, a forest of twisted trees, an ancient ruined altar or a mere shipping container. It all adds to the look of the game table. In several people's opinion, these containers will look better on a properly themed Warhammer 40,000 board than the cheaper, less detailed MDF alternatives. YMMV, of course.
Yes, the details mean it's less suited to being used on a table that isn't for 40k, but I don't see that as a drawback. I don't use the Space Marines in Infinity, Batman or whatever else, so I'm not particularly worried about these.
It's literally a box meant to hold things. The cheaper cargo containers fit the style of more systems. How much more are you willing to pay for those extra details for a box?
I mean you can take that argument a step further and say buildings are just boxes. Why even buy any terrain kits, just use shoe boxes or whatever. Why bother with miniatures? Just make some wire stick figures and call it a day.
People pay for quality and detail. It's pretty universally understood concept, I think.
Yeah I really don't understand what we're arguing here.
GW makes stuff.
Other people make stuff.
Some stuff is cheaper.
Some is more expensive.
Some is better.
Some is worse.
And people make choices among those possibilities.
I mean for the records I have 4 or 5 of the reaper crates and I still want these. And no, I can't explain why. I've passed up many a grimdark tree, tower or fortress but these boxes are just smexy and perfect for a drop ship I want to build.
I'm just questioning why pay more for a glorified box, and whether the interior detail is a selling point or superfluous.
Interior detail is a selling point for me.
Might seem silly, but it means I can have quite a few more of them as some can be left open with contents still within.
I can understand that. It's not my thing, but I prefer to hobby lazier.
Truthfully, I'm thinking about one-upping the Storm Bolters on the crates.
I might try to combine two crates into one and have a Tarantula Sentry Gun deployed within...
Because why stop at a Storm Bolter for theft deterrent, when you can have dummy boxes loaded with freaking heavy bolters?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Yeah I really don't understand what we're arguing here.
GW makes stuff.
Other people make stuff.
Some stuff is cheaper.
Some is more expensive.
Some is better.
Some is worse.
And people make choices among those possibilities.
I mean for the records I have 4 or 5 of the reaper crates and I still want these. And no, I can't explain why. I've passed up many a grimdark tree, tower or fortress but these boxes are just smexy and perfect for a drop ship I want to build.
I think you forget its 2016, the chinese zodiac year of questioning people's life styles.
I'm just questioning why pay more for a glorified box, and whether the interior detail is a selling point or superfluous.
Interior detail is a selling point for me.
Might seem silly, but it means I can have quite a few more of them as some can be left open with contents still within.
I can understand that. It's not my thing, but I prefer to hobby lazier.
Truthfully, I'm thinking about one-upping the Storm Bolters on the crates.
I might try to combine two crates into one and have a Tarantula Sentry Gun deployed within...
Because why stop at a Storm Bolter for theft deterrent, when you can have dummy boxes loaded with freaking heavy bolters?
or just lock the doors.......skull shaped padlock incoming....
I'm just questioning why pay more for a glorified box, and whether the interior detail is a selling point or superfluous.
Interior detail is a selling point for me.
Might seem silly, but it means I can have quite a few more of them as some can be left open with contents still within.
I can understand that. It's not my thing, but I prefer to hobby lazier.
Truthfully, I'm thinking about one-upping the Storm Bolters on the crates.
I might try to combine two crates into one and have a Tarantula Sentry Gun deployed within...
Because why stop at a Storm Bolter for theft deterrent, when you can have dummy boxes loaded with freaking heavy bolters?
or just lock the doors.......skull shaped padlock incoming....
Followed by the new Cultist Package Thief unit upgrade.
Containers are cool, nice to see all the bits with them too, they will be perfect with the new Age of the Emperor 40k skirmish rules, one of 3 ways to play coming out at the end of the year. all good skirmish game makers have crates... lol
I do wanna know more about the paints asap :/
hope there is a warhammer tv demo of them...
EnTyme wrote: People are just thinking in terms of these being used to transport supplies, but once the supplies are delivered, you now have a 8' high metal wall. Why wouldn't you want to put a gun emplacement on your fortification?
Or nasty little surprise.
The US one seems to operate more on idea of old q-ships. At least from the article didn't look so much as crate being used to transport much if anything. Rather quick to set up emplacement that can be transported like other crates.
EnTyme wrote: People are just thinking in terms of these being used to transport supplies, but once the supplies are delivered, you now have a 8' high metal wall. Why wouldn't you want to put a gun emplacement on your fortification?
Or nasty little surprise.
The US one seems to operate more on idea of old q-ships. At least from the article didn't look so much as crate being used to transport much if anything. Rather quick to set up emplacement that can be transported like other crates.
That, too. In either case, these aren't being used to just deliver supplies. They have a tactical use.
A long, long time ago on the old FW website there was a section about FW sculptors and who did what. I think it was Mark Bedford who was working on the SM cargo container with the description saying that it was used for combat supplies and also as means of transportation for the SM Attack bikes.
Maybe FW will also release their model that they've used a lot in the UM vs WB diorama;
I'm interested in the new metallics, and giving them a spin. Besides the overabundance of greens and browns, one of the worst parts of the current Citadel paint lineup is the metallics. Leadbelcher was alright, but not as good as Boltgun Metal. The rest were crap, until last year's Age of Sigmar release gave us Retributor Armor and Liberator Gold, 2 decent, useable metallics. The previous golds were awful. Hopefully these three new ones continue the trend toward better metallics.
Probably models in base contact, like with emplaced weapons or weapon emplacements... I forget which is which. EDIT: yeah it says as such in the rules section under "Armoured Containment:.
10/10 will buy. It takes all of the best aspects of the Aegis Defense Line and Promethium Relay Pipes and puts them in a cheap, 40 pt package. Plus, they look pretty sweet.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Those gemstone paints are going to be perfect for eye pieces and gems on all my Space Marines. 100% going to buy the red and green.
I’ve been doing eyes/lenses in a metallic green forever now. If this works they way it looks, I might go back over my whole army.
Is it wrong that I want to try doing an Ultramarine captain in the blue, just to see how it looks?
I’ve been using BftBG for my high-gloss red accents, not sure if this is going to be different enough to warrant picking up the red.
But the green is a must, and the blue is a close second.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Those gemstone paints are going to be perfect for eye pieces and gems on all my Space Marines. 100% going to buy the red and green.
I’ve been doing eyes/lenses in a metallic green forever now. If this works they way it looks, I might go back over my whole army.
Is it wrong that I want to try doing an Ultramarine captain in the blue, just to see how it looks?
Absolutely not wrong! Do it and see how it turns out.
I’ve been using BftBG for my high-gloss red accents, not sure if this is going to be different enough to warrant picking up the red.
But the green is a must, and the blue is a close second.
I think it would be different, if only in consistency/coverage.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Those gemstone paints are going to be perfect for eye pieces and gems on all my Space Marines. 100% going to buy the red and green.
I’ve been doing eyes/lenses in a metallic green forever now. If this works they way it looks, I might go back over my whole army.
Is it wrong that I want to try doing an Ultramarine captain in the blue, just to see how it looks?
I’ve been using BftBG for my high-gloss red accents, not sure if this is going to be different enough to warrant picking up the red.
But the green is a must, and the blue is a close second.
I was kind of hoping for more of an emerald green. The color looks to be more of a blue-green tone.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Those gemstone paints are going to be perfect for eye pieces and gems on all my Space Marines. 100% going to buy the red and green.
I’ve been doing eyes/lenses in a metallic green forever now. If this works they way it looks, I might go back over my whole army.
Is it wrong that I want to try doing an Ultramarine captain in the blue, just to see how it looks?
I’ve been using BftBG for my high-gloss red accents, not sure if this is going to be different enough to warrant picking up the red.
But the green is a must, and the blue is a close second.
I was kind of hoping for more of an emerald green. The color looks to be more of a blue-green tone.
If that’s it over silver, you should be able to get different tones by painting over different shades of metallics. Either old paints like Glistening Green and Polished Blue (what I’ll be using) or go with a silver -> wash/glaze -> gemstone technical.
so wait...Tyranids can't be battle brothers with Genestealer cults, but they can buy crates full of Uplifting Primers and Invulnerable saves? that's hilarious!
On another note, now we have the rules, you can go buy some of the lovely containers and crates from other suppliers
casvalremdeikun wrote: Those gemstone paints are going to be perfect for eye pieces and gems on all my Space Marines. 100% going to buy the red and green.
I'm getting them all, ya here me? All of them!! Muahaha
1-2 +1M after a great bowl movement ("Light as a feather!")
3-4 1 Str 1 because it wasn't cleaned ("What a mess, sir!") (save as normal),
5-6 -1 init. if you see a copy of the uplifting primer down in the hole. (yuck)
The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?
TheCustomLime wrote: The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?
Read it again.
Spoiler:
"The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the content."
That's in addition to the ability to use them as Mysterious Objectives.
Ah, upon another reading it seems you are right Kan. It seems that not even shipping containers can escape Gee Dubs love of giving everything and anything a random chart.
TheCustomLime wrote: The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?
Read it again.
Spoiler:
"The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the content."
That's in addition to the ability to use them as Mysterious Objectives.
Spoiler:
The Designer's Note at the top says you can use the Mysterious Containers Table if you use the containers as objectives.
Nevermind, that's only when it replaces Mysterious Objectives.
just say you can choose to open it if you really want to. would be a funny way of making a search and retrieve kinda mission where you have to open them till you find an X.
TheCustomLime wrote: The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?
Read it again.
Spoiler:
"The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the contents."
That's in addition to the ability to use them as Mysterious Objectives.
The Designer's Note at the top says you can use the Mysterious Containers Table if you use the containers as objectives.
There's two sentences, putting forward two conditions in that blurb for the usage of the "Mysterious Containers Table".
The first sentence puts down the following condition:
The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the contents.
This sentence says nothing about the usage of the table being restricted to the crates being used as Objective Markers. If we have MACCs on the field, and we get into base contact with them? We roll a D6 to discover the contents--whether or not they're being used as objective markers. We can, of course, agree not to do anything with them beyond them being generic terrain.
The second sentence puts forward the restrictions based on using the MACCs as Objective Markers.
If you are using the Munitorum Armoured Container Caches to represent Objective Markers(see above), this table replaces the Mysterious Objectives Table found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules:<Insert Table>
Do you see what I'm getting at here?
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TheCustomLime wrote: Ah, upon another reading it seems you are right Kan. It seems that not even shipping containers can escape Gee Dubs love of giving everything and anything a random chart.
And yet this might be the first time it's wildly appropriate.
It's not really THAT appropriate, I mean if you're paying the points to include them in your army it can be generally assumed that they're your crates and you've at least taken a peek inside to see what they have in them at some point before the battle began, you don't normally need to roll to see what upgrades that Bastion you bought has, or the weapons on the Aegis defence line you paid for.
Still, even though it can lead to ridiculous outcomes it might be fun to spend 120 points on crates (3 containers, 9 barrels and TWELVE supply crates) and just set up an epic gunline of death with three random rolls for equipment (and 6 stormbolters)
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
oni wrote: Nice! I'll be picking up at least two boxes of these to use as terrain.
I love that they did mysterious contents rules too.
Man using those as objective markers would be super cool too.
would be very cool for some narrative play.
Ooo... That is a good idea.
Redemption wrote:
The new Gemstone paints, apparently just one thick layer over a silver basecoat. Do want.
Meh, it's as I anticipated. They're nothing more than the old Ink's. The technique is quick, easy and looks decent enough, but it's not as good as painting it the old fashioned way.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
Maybe some Inquisitor had them (secretly) put onboard the ship ("ignore those scratching sounds in those boxes!"). The ship went down. Containers scattered in a nice defensive formation (Very sturdy to survive an orbital fall!). Viola!
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
But don't you like rolling on random charts? According to GW, Random charts are like the best thing in game design. They even have random charts to see what random chart you roll on. Such fun!
I personally am going to just going to say the crates are a 4+ cover and the boxes/barrels are 5++ and that's it. 40k is complex enough without you needing an entire document telling you the rules for boxes and barrels.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
If it were ANY OTHER ARMY, I would agree, but this is the Imperium.
The new Gemstone paints, apparently just one thick layer over a silver basecoat. Do want.
Meh, it's as I anticipated. They're nothing more than the old Ink's. The technique is quick, easy and looks decent enough, but it's not as good as painting it the old fashioned way.
Not like painting gems the old fashioned way was difficult. Base dark. Mix 2-3 shades and layer up. Wash with whatever colour you did them in to blend the layers together. Add white dot.
CragHack wrote: Is this the actual effect, or is the silver under the new paint actually layered? I/e Leadbelcher->Ironbreaker->Runefang?
To my eyes, almost certainly. Which makes me wonder why you wouldn't just use reds in the first place, and then put a gloss varnish over the top... but, hey, GW.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
Who ever thought it was a good idea to give Commissar Brockmann a credit-slate and a munitorum outlet account was WRONG
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
Perfectly true, but it does stop people from abusing it and just picking the Orbital doom laser every time. Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?
insaniak wrote: Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.
Perfectly true, but it does stop people from abusing it and just picking the Orbital doom laser every time. Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?
Orbital doom laser wouldn't be problem if it would be costed appropriately. Unsurprisingly better bonuses would cost more.
And there shouldn't be choice you can't use if you don't play IOM unless there's then choices IOM can't use. So instead of IOM specific gear have effect and then mention IOM tech as an EXAMPLE while tau would have their own equilavent.
angelofvengeance wrote: Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?
It could just as easily have been a generic artifact or piece of tech, rather than something specific to the Imperium.
It's to bad the containers only do anything for you if you role 4-6 if your playing xeno, chaos or 30k. The ammo boxes and fuel drums being a free thing you can throw down for free more or less makes up for it. Atleast I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not putting the 2 storm bolters on them TBH.
Oh man. This thing is hilarious. The Ammo Dump is nice, pairs well with Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz, and Flash Gitz. Heck, even a unit of Gretchin hiding behind the container and firing the Storm Bolters could be entertaining. If you position the Ammo Dump right, you can re-roll 1's for the Storm Bolters too. That Orbital Comms Array looks dangerous. Scatter 4D6"? You could nuke your own units pretty easily. What am I saying -- I play Orks, that's par for the course!
The problem with the storm bolters is that the model firing them is going to have to be standing in front of the container (ie: in the open) in order to have LOS to anything to fire them at...
not really, just base it in such a way that there's an elevated surface next to the container (I'd use the supply crates) that the grot can stand on and peek over the container while still getting a cover save.
You could actually, with zero consequences. The chance of explosion only applies if you take a cover save behind the barrels.
A more practical scenario would be sprinkling Gretchin models around and on top of the container, preferably with some between the Ammo Dump and the container. Best case, my Grotz are ignored and they plink away with the Storm Bolters each turn with glee. Worst case, my opponent shoots a 35pt unit off the board, ignoring at least 1 of my other units for a turn. That works for me.
CragHack wrote: Is this the actual effect, or is the silver under the new paint actually layered? I/e Leadbelcher->Ironbreaker->Runefang?
To my eyes, almost certainly. Which makes me wonder why you wouldn't just use reds in the first place, and then put a gloss varnish over the top... but, hey, GW.
There's a distinct difference in finishes between glossy red and transparent red over a metallic base, have a look at many of the Khorne Daemon Engines from FW for examples of the latter. I'm pretty sure for display purposes you're still better off doing it the old fashioned way, but at an army painting level, coat of metallic, highlight, coat of gemstone will probably get a better effect vs time spent.
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