So, after yesterday’s announcement, it seems there are a few questions some of of you are asking. Well, here’s the info…
1. What’s the price of the new White Dwarf?
White Dwarf will have the following cover prices (so, as you can see, the early-bird subscriptions really are a great saving. Check them out at www.games-workshop.com):
UK £5.99 | Euro €8 | Poland 30zł | Switzerland 14CHF | Sweden 70kr | Norway 65kr | Denmark 60kr
USA $9 | Canada $12 | Australia $15 | New Zealand $18
Japan ¥1,400 | China ¥60 | Hong Kong HK$82 | Malaysia RM37 | Singapore SG$14
2. Will there be a digital edition?
Yes, absolutely! More news coming soon.
3. Will I be able to get White Dwarf in my local newsagents?
White Dwarf will be available from all Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, independent stockists and – as the old saying goes – the better sort of newsagents everywhere. Ask them to order it.
4. What languages will the new White Dwarf be published in?
English, French and German.
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Since I buy only about one in six issues of White Dwarf, this is probably a good thing. I might actually subscribe. I want it to have rules info, and in fairly large quantities.
So it took them 2.5 years to conclude that the weekly format was a mistake. I give AoS till 2018 before it's dropped like a toxic asset.
I also wonder whether the release schedule will revert to monthly; hopefully it will, there've been quite a few "empty" weeks this year anyway, and Orcs were released all at once in a week. And if the new magazine looks to cover Golden Daemon, this might mean Warhammer Vision is getting Old Yellered (finally!).
We all long for the good old days of white dwarf. Now if they can put some good content in it, instead of shallow adverts for the new releases I might start buying it again.
My questions were already mentioned. Visions (which delivers what it says it wants to) will stay the same? What about weekly releases, do we now get two magazines already outdated at their release? Or will they advertise weekly online and we also get a magazine with hobby content (rules, minigames) in addition to it? With the current monthly price of four combined WD weekly issues I think they will have to surprise me a lot with the quality of the content to pay that amount of money each month. Currently only a few issues here and there are worth the cover price.
-DE- wrote: So it took them 2.5 years to conclude that the weekly format was a mistake. I give AoS till 2018 before it's dropped like a toxic asset.
I also wonder whether the release schedule will revert to monthly; hopefully it will, there've been quite a few "empty" weeks this year anyway, and Orcs were released all at once in a week. And if the new magazine looks to cover Golden Daemon, this might mean Warhammer Vision is getting Old Yellered (finally!).
Please refrain from AoS gakposting in a WD thread, plenty of places you can go to whine.
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The "ultimate" Warhammer magazine? So which one's the penultimate? Or does it indirectly suggest that if this one fails, the official Warhammer magazine will be no more?
-DE- wrote: The "ultimate" Warhammer magazine? So which one's the penultimate? Or does it indirectly suggest that if this one fails, the official Warhammer magazine will be no more?
The magazine market has entirely changed since WD was begun in about 1977. Whilst typesetting and printing is much cheaper, the Internet, especially mini formats like Facebook and Twitter, has become the way to get news articles and advertorial to consumers.
A monthly magazine makes a lot of sense as a place to put in-depth articles, scenarios and so on, much as this first new cover shows. The one disadvantage will be that big chunks of each issue will be irrelevant to users who don't play all GW's core games.
Although it won't in itself tempt me back to 40K, it looks a positive move for serious GW fans. I take it as another sign of the Rountree Renaisance.
Warhams-77 wrote: Their FB page says Visions will stay and be changing slightly.
Hopefully by not taunting me constantly with the Space Marine Command Tanks every single issue. Seriously, GW, either sell them worldwide, or stop filling Visions with them every issue.
^^ I dislike GW is only showing that draft instead of a proper pdf preview issue so we could get an idea what's really in it. I'm not subscribing to the new one before seeing actual content... so no sale for now
Perhaps they've finally come around to the inevitability of leaks. So in this format they'll announce the next four weeks of releases themselves. Beat the leaks; get high quality images out in the way they want too.
Perhaps they've finally come around to the inevitability of leaks. So in this format they'll announce the next four weeks of releases themselves. Beat the leaks; get high quality images out in the way they want too.
Are you seriously suggesting that GW might start controlling the news agenda, and undercutting leaks and grainy images by allowing people a look at high quality images of new stuff, instead, thus generating interest like any other business?
Perhaps they've finally come around to the inevitability of leaks. So in this format they'll announce the next four weeks of releases themselves. Beat the leaks; get high quality images out in the way they want too.
But, then we'll get grainy earthquake inspired pictures of the monthly White Dwarf with leaks 5 weeks ahead in some cases!
Kilkrazy wrote: The magazine market has entirely changed since WD was begun in about 1977. Whilst typesetting and printing is much cheaper, the Internet, especially mini formats like Facebook and Twitter, has become the way to get news articles and advertorial to consumers.
A monthly magazine makes a lot of sense as a place to put in-depth articles, scenarios and so on, much as this first new cover shows. The one disadvantage will be that big chunks of each issue will be irrelevant to users who don't play all GW's core games.
Although it won't in itself tempt me back to 40K, it looks a positive move for serious GW fans. I take it as another sign of the Rountree Renaisance.
It's not a new cover though, it's from an old White Dwarf Weekly. Agree with your points though.
Warhams-77 wrote: Their FB page says Visions will stay and be changing slightly.
I am glad WD is going back to monthly, I always thought it a bad idea to go weekly and to be honest have only ever picked up a few issues since it did and after my sub ran out.
What annoys me is they change it again and the people who have subbed to it will have to live with it.
I was subbed to a monthly mag before which gave me everything, i then ended up with a mag that only did half of what it did before and i had to buy another one to get what I wanted.
now we have jsut got used to the new arrangement and happy with paying and they will change it again....
I am subbed to Visions, what am I going to get now? Visions Lite?
Another good move by GW. The weekly WD was soulless and basically an advertising pamphlet. Hopefully the new monthly is actually a magazine worth buying. I'm definitely going to give it a go, I won't be subscribing, because that's not how I get my media, but I will likely be getting it when I go into my local GW in September.
I'm looking forward to it. I hope they don't disappoint us.
Lord Corellia wrote: They're actually asking for feedback from the people who buy their products? What happened to market research being silly and for chumps??
Well, let the hat banquet commence, pass the HP sauce eh
Seriously though, this is potentially great stuff providing they can tone down the overconfidently triumphalist tone so much of the studio output has these days - by all means enumerate the virtues of the product, but do it honestly and with a touch of humility rather than all this Best Miniatures In The World(tm)/Ferrari Of Miniatures guff - their products are almost always good enough to stand on their own merits, and usually good enough that only minor persuasion is required to get us to overlook the grotesque pricing, so drop the hard-sell and focus on solid content with a bit of self-awareness.
I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
You never know, there might be a greater ranger of painting tutorials presented within a single issue. They are going to have to fill the magazine with something after all.
While I like going to my LGS every week to grab a WD I did prefer the larger monthly issues. I'm conflicted, but optimistic. They had a great formula right before they went weekly, so here's to hoping they go back to that and even improve on it.
The weekly issues were great when they first started, but it has slowly tapered off; as mentioned, WD has been rather soulless recently.
This sounds like a good move to me. Right now I only pick one up if it's got something I want in it (rules, a particular paint splatter, etc). This will probably get me to pick it up regularly. It's nice reading something that's not on a iPhone/iPad screen once in awhile
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
I'd rather have one painting tutorial that actually tries to teach us new techniques than four painting tutorials that amount to instructions to layer on whatever colours the studio used.
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
I'd rather have one painting tutorial that actually tries to teach us new techniques than four painting tutorials that amount to instructions to layer on whatever colours the studio used.
I appreciate that. But... I'm colorblind. I'd much rather have simple tutorials that show me how to get the colors right for a wide variety of common things (rusty armor, shiny armor, red cloaks, blue cloaks, etc). I already know all the basics and YouTube is better at teaching advanced techniques than a magazine article.
-DE- wrote: The "ultimate" Warhammer magazine? So which one's the penultimate? Or does it indirectly suggest that if this one fails, the official Warhammer magazine will be no more?
Penultimate is the one they just canned.
(I think you might have subscribed to an americanism there...)
This is great news, I really hope they do this right. Imagine going back to the golden years with Fat Bloke in terms of quality! I would perhaps even subscribe again.
It sounds like they've listened to fan demand here, and that has me interested. The price also isn't bad at all for the pre-order offer. I actually liked White Dwarf before it went weekly - I felt it was definitely moving in the right direction before it got changed. I think I'll be subscribing to this.
If it becomes roughy 9000 times better than WD was in the end of it's last monthly iteration, I'd consider buying it again.
Designer's notes and Battlereports (proper ones with diagrams and graphics, not just random photos) is precisely the things that would be worth money, like in the Fat-bloke era.
Unfortunately, a lot of the pages will be wasted on AoS stuff so the 40K sections would have to compensate for that, which will be difficult indeed. Maybe if there would be a lot of Heresy content there might be some value though.
No-one mentioned the lack of 'Games Workshop' branding so far, instead using the 'Warhammer' brand in the masthead that the newly-opened and refitted shops are using? Just me spotted that?
I've just phoned up to enquire about the new subscription.
I was informed that what they believe is going to happen is that, as an existing Visions subscriber (for the sum of £3.00 per issue as a hangover from my original monthly WD sub), I will automatically receive the new monthly WD.
However, they have my details and will get back to me.
Make of that what you will, but it is possible that the new version will replace WD weekly and Visions.
Obviously opinions vary but I will miss Visions to some extent, especially after the size upgrade, as sometimes you can get fed up looking at screens. That and I wasn't paying £7.50 per issue.
My brother had a sub to White Dwarf - he will probably appreciate this change. I'm probably going to pick up an issue if I can't pervue a copy at the FLGS - I'm cautiously optimistic.
I only ever picked up one copy of the new WD - with the Stormsurge (I use a Gundam Heavyarms to proxy the model). I also picked up the 1st issue of visions, hoping it might become a collector's item. I ended up tossing it away after AoS came out, as I thought GW had finally lost all its marbles.
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
I'd rather have one painting tutorial that actually tries to teach us new techniques than four painting tutorials that amount to instructions to layer on whatever colours the studio used.
I appreciate that. But... I'm colorblind. I'd much rather have simple tutorials that show me how to get the colors right for a wide variety of common things (rusty armor, shiny armor, red cloaks, blue cloaks, etc). I already know all the basics and YouTube is better at teaching advanced techniques than a magazine article.
That's a shame and I'm sure it's a pain in the backside, but they're not producing advanced tutorials on youtube either(indeed, they're pretty much just the studio person following the basic painting guide), and they already offer simple tutorials in the "how to paint X" books/pamphlets. They weren't duplicating that style of tutorial in WDWeekly to serve the needs of colourblind gamers, they were doing it because it required less effort and time than doing proper in-depth tutorials or articles about executing specific intermediate and advanced techniques & styles.
I've just phoned up to enquire about the new subscription.
I was informed that what they believe is going to happen is that, as an existing Visions subscriber (for the sum of £3.00 per issue as a hangover from my original monthly WD sub), I will automatically receive the new monthly WD.
However, they have my details and will get back to me.
Make of that what you will, but it is possible that the new version will replace WD weekly and Visions.
Obviously opinions vary but I will miss Visions to some extent, especially after the size upgrade, as sometimes you can get fed up looking at screens. That and I wasn't paying £7.50 per issue.
Perhaps someone at GW has finally succeeded in growing that single braincell they've been after for so long and it's occurred to them that big batches of pretty pictures are ideal for putting on a website rather than padding out a magazine?
This could be nice move. Obviously depends on what content they make but this could be good.
One thing important for me is do they sell them on regular news stands like before they went to weekly? I don't have FLGS nearby and like I will order one measly magazine so if I can't find on local news stand there goes impulse purchaces that were mostly my source of WD purchaces(contents looked interesting so pick it up). Lot less likely to do that if I need to order...I don't order miniatures every month so can't really tag it along those either.
But at news stand if content is good I'll be buying them.
Does Warhammer Visions actually sell well in retailers? I stopped buying White Dwarf like 4 years ago, never bought Visions and when I see an issue of Visions on the shelves in WH Smiths or Tesco's, it always seems to be a month or two out of date. Gives me the impression that it doesn't sell, and the retailer doesn't bother to restock with the current month's issue because the last couple of months still haven't sold.
Quite like WH Visions so would be a shame if it went now. Although it's possible to get good photos of paintjobs and conversions on this site and elsewhere online I think it's quite handy having a hard copy of decently painted and converted models as inspiration that can be quickly looked up while painting!
Are we going to go back to the early 2000's where people will whine and complain about how 1/3 of the book is Lord of the Rings? I loved those articles on LotR. I hope they bring that much content back for LotR and the great articles as well.
I don't want to feel like I am paying for advertisement, where GW should be paying for advertisement, not us. I will hold off and wait and see. I want to buy a magazine on the hobby, not an advertisement about the products.
The SBG doesn't need official white dwarf coverage tbh. Fans are putting out fanzines like SBG (Great British Hobbit League) with far better content than anything GW does these days.
Just look at the latest issue of SBG with the Dol Guldur battle report.
I'm going to get a subscription, this is very welcome news. I have to say I like visions but more as a coffee table magazine than for reading. It's sometimes nice to just see page after page of well painted and converted models for inspiration and without having to hunt through various project threads on the internet
Hopefully they dont stress out as many releases per month, and manage to squeeze in a few odd pages not directly trying to sell me something, like Vetocks nostalgic musings (is he still in "Visions" these days?).
Davor wrote: Are we going to go back to the early 2000's where people will whine and complain about how 1/3 of the book is Lord of the Rings?
Of course they will.
I loved those articles on LotR. I hope they bring that much content back for LotR and the great articles as well.
I don't want to feel like I am paying for advertisement, where GW should be paying for advertisement, not us. I will hold off and wait and see. I want to buy a magazine on the hobby, not an advertisement about the products.
It's still going to be White Dwarf. It's essentially been advertainment since at least 1988.
Whoop whoop, freaking delighted over this. Hope the guy who made the mess of the magazines has moved on to pastures new.......
One thing I would love to see come back are art work covers not photo shopped snaps. But one stage at a time. Hopefully see white dwarf back in the newsies and super markets soon!
Quite like WH Visions so would be a shame if it went now. Although it's possible to get good photos of paintjobs and conversions on this site and elsewhere online I think it's quite handy having a hard copy of decently painted and converted models as inspiration that can be quickly looked up while painting!
i'm a big fan of Visions, too there are a ton of pics in there that i haven't stumbled across on the Net...
not only that, but it is nice to have digital mags that i can look at for inspiration when internet (or even electricity!!!) isn't available...
it's a godsend in the 3rd World, where the monsoon lightning takes out power or internet, or people straight up steal power lines
@Yodhrin: some of us find all of the pretty pictures to be ab excellent showcase, rather than padding
i don't mind the change...
i'll still continue to get every issue, just as i have since issue #75 back in the 80's...
White Dwarf release, or Visions the last couple of years, is one of the days i look forward to the most, and has been for decades...
it gets me all fired up to paint!!!
I'm only going to buy this new version if they return to proper battle reports, which aren't just random photos and a poorly written narrative. I want maps and schematics and hard facts.
It's inconsequential to me if the outcome has been manipulated to produce specific results, because we all know they've always been doing that. As long as the results are credible and realistic, I won't mind.
Zingraff wrote: I'm only going to buy this new version if they return to proper battle reports, which aren't just random photos and a poorly written narrative. I want maps and schematics and hard facts.
It's inconsequential to me if the outcome has been manipulated to produce specific results, because we all know they've always been doing that. As long as the results are credible and realistic, I won't mind.
that would be nice...
i don't play, but always enjoyed the detailed battle reports...
when i go back through my collection, that is the most common section i end up reading...
some of them were just glorious, like the Squat Land Train in action for Epic!!!
If they drop a dataslate for whatever is released that month in it that would be great.
If they tossed a new formation dataslate, or a terrain making article, in it each month that alone could justify it's purchase.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The SBG doesn't need official white dwarf coverage tbh. Fans are putting out fanzines like SBG (Great British Hobbit League) with far better content than anything GW does these days.
Just look at the latest issue of SBG with the Dol Guldur battle report.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The SBG doesn't need official white dwarf coverage tbh. Fans are putting out fanzines like SBG (Great British Hobbit League) with far better content than anything GW does these days.
Just look at the latest issue of SBG with the Dol Guldur battle report.
This is unambiguously good WD couldn't possibly be much worse than it is now. I have to check myself before I get my hopes up that it's back to the golden age of the late 80's early 90's here... I notice they're not promising any new rules, but if there's a regular faq element again that would be fantastic!
adamsouza wrote: If they drop a dataslate for whatever is released that month in it that would be great.
If they tossed a new formation dataslate, or a terrain making article, in it each month that alone could justify it's purchase.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The SBG doesn't need official white dwarf coverage tbh. Fans are putting out fanzines like SBG (Great British Hobbit League) with far better content than anything GW does these days.
Just look at the latest issue of SBG with the Dol Guldur battle report.
Yodhrin wrote: Well, let the hat banquet commence, pass the HP sauce eh
Seriously though, this is potentially great stuff providing they can tone down the overconfidently triumphalist tone so much of the studio output has these days - by all means enumerate the virtues of the product, but do it honestly and with a touch of humility rather than all this Best Miniatures In The World(tm)/Ferrari Of Miniatures guff - their products are almost always good enough to stand on their own merits, and usually good enough that only minor persuasion is required to get us to overlook the grotesque pricing, so drop the hard-sell and focus on solid content with a bit of self-awareness.
IE, they should probably clone Fat Bloke.
This so much. You just said it way better then I can ever cool. It was "much more gooder"
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
GW are doing more online stuff for painting now, aren't they?
Azazelx wrote: It's still going to be White Dwarf. It's essentially been advertainment since at least 1988.
But there is advertisement and there is advertisement.
One thing advertise the whole game. Another thing to just go on and on about latest product and how it should be bought.
One of the best article(series) they ever had IMO was the original tale of 4 gamer. Funny that it wasn't tied up to latest release though...But that was still very good ad for the GW games and made me itch starting my own army(still hope I could take part in something similar one day).
Another groovy article type was in early 2000's they had this guy from gaming club talk about various subjects. THAT was good type of content. It gave inspiration to start buying GW models but not by drilling over how newest release was so awesome but by making games sound FUN and provide INSPIRATION.
That's what WD should have rather than "oh buy this and this and this we just released. Come next week again to see what you should buy next week!".
Kriswall wrote: I'm actually a little disappointed. My favorite part of White Dwark Weekly is the inevitable painting tutorial. If White Dwarf goes back to a monthly version, I'm likely to see my 4 potential tutorials per month drop back down to 1. This makes me sad. Given that the price per issue will go up, I'll be paying more per tutorial and having fewer available per year.
This is very bad news for people who bought White Dwarf mainly for the painting tutorials.
GW are doing more online stuff for painting now, aren't they?
Yeah, ironically, though it's not in WD, it's free content from GW. The GW painting tutorials online are top notch, and range from extremely beginner to reasonably advanced topics, including blending and working with FW resin models. And Duncan is a real champ.
WD and Visions mostly have Paint Splatter and Sprues & Glue (or whatever it's called), which are 90% beginner, 10% intermediate, IMO. A lot of it is "use this color and this brush and then that color and that brush", which is very helpful for people to achieve the studio look, especially if you're either starting out or new to GW paints and want an idea of what colors complement each other well. However, there's a gold mine in the other 10% -- everything from how GW bits fit/match, intermediate painting techniques, and sometimes, shortcuts that can be great timesavers.
Generally I am not a fan of Paint Splatter becUse I feel it's just to get to tabletop standard, where-as I am trying to aim for a higher standard than that. I would prefer something more akin to the old 'Eavy Metal masterclass tutorials, or maybe something from the Army Painter team that everyone at Warhammer Fest raved about.
Azazelx wrote: It's still going to be White Dwarf. It's essentially been advertainment since at least 1988.
But there is advertisement and there is advertisement.
One thing advertise the whole game. Another thing to just go on and on about latest product and how it should be bought.
One of the best article(series) they ever had IMO was the original tale of 4 gamer. Funny that it wasn't tied up to latest release though...But that was still very good ad for the GW games and made me itch starting my own army(still hope I could take part in something similar one day).
Another groovy article type was in early 2000's they had this guy from gaming club talk about various subjects. THAT was good type of content. It gave inspiration to start buying GW models but not by drilling over how newest release was so awesome but by making games sound FUN and provide INSPIRATION.
That's what WD should have rather than "oh buy this and this and this we just released. Come next week again to see what you should buy next week!".
Actually, I agree with all of the examples you've given here. (note my sig).
My point was much more that since (at least) around issue 95 or so when I started buying it, people have been making the exact same complaints about how the magazine has been becoming much more of an advertisement than in "the past". If you look through the early-RT-era issues and even the Paul Sawyer-era issues (which includes the To4G) there's tons of "new release, but it now!" stuff. I think it's safe to say the trend started quite a bit earlier than those issues (SOD OFF BRYAN ANSELL is rather telling, after all). Not to mention that WHFB was created entirely as a way to sell more Citadel Miniatures.
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Bottle wrote: Generally I am not a fan of Paint Splatter becUse I feel it's just to get to tabletop standard, where-as I am trying to aim for a higher standard than that. I would prefer something more akin to the old 'Eavy Metal masterclass tutorials, or maybe something from the Army Painter team that everyone at Warhammer Fest raved about.
Agreed on this. 'eavy Metal used to have some amazing tutorials that simply utilised line drawings to get across the concepts before they went full-colour with more photographs. Paint Splatter just ain't in the same league.
My point was much more that since (at least) around issue 95 or so when I started buying it, people have been making the exact same complaints about how the magazine has been becoming much more of an advertisement than in "the past". If you look through the early-RT-era issues and even the Paul Sawyer-era issues (which includes the To4G) there's tons of "new release, but it now!" stuff. I think it's safe to say the trend started quite a bit earlier than those issues (SOD OFF BRYAN ANSELL is rather telling, after all). Not to mention that WHFB was created entirely as a way to sell more Citadel Miniatures.
Yes but still there's scale difference. Just because there were some didn't mean it was all.
I've got about 8 of the weekly ones, which includes the 6 I got for $2 each from a game store a couple of weeks ago - mostly for the miniature photography in print. I had almost all of the monthly mag from 90-something to the finale.
I'm keen to see if they can roll it back to something decent as well.
Bottle wrote: Generally I am not a fan of Paint Splatter becUse I feel it's just to get to tabletop standard, where-as I am trying to aim for a higher standard than that. I would prefer something more akin to the old 'Eavy Metal masterclass tutorials, or maybe something from the Army Painter team that everyone at Warhammer Fest raved about.
This. Some of the quality of painting makes me howl. Should be aspirational.
When you can have an army of the month that is basically drybrushing... Ugh.
I'd take one monthly eavy metal masterclass over 4 weekly paint splatters any day. I love paint splatter but many tutorials are from their youtube page now.
Maybe they could take this opportunity to rename it something more IPable? Like White Duardin? Or even better, White Fyreslayer! Then the debut issue could feature their new naked mascot. IMHO White Dwarf just doesn't feel right anymore given the direction the comany has taken.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Maybe they could take this opportunity to rename it something more IPable? Like White Duardin? Or even better, White Fyreslayer! Then the debut issue could feature their new naked mascot. IMHO White Dwarf just doesn't feel right anymore given the direction the comany has taken.
Don't be ridiculous, it'll be Ceramite Duardin. Maximum IP!
So, after yesterday’s announcement, it seems there are a few questions some of of you are asking. Well, here’s the info…
1. What’s the price of the new White Dwarf?
White Dwarf will have the following cover prices (so, as you can see, the early-bird subscriptions really are a great saving. Check them out at www.games-workshop.com):
UK £5.99 | Euro €8 | Poland 30zł | Switzerland 14CHF | Sweden 70kr | Norway 65kr | Denmark 60kr
USA $9 | Canada $12 | Australia $15 | New Zealand $18
Japan ¥1,400 | China ¥60 | Hong Kong HK$82 | Malaysia RM37 | Singapore SG$14
2. Will there be a digital edition?
Yes, absolutely! More news coming soon.
3. Will I be able to get White Dwarf in my local newsagents?
White Dwarf will be available from all Games Workshop and Warhammer stores, independent stockists and – as the old saying goes – the better sort of newsagents everywhere. Ask them to order it.
4. What languages will the new White Dwarf be published in?
English, French and German.
From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
When I started buying WD is was AUD$5.99, then it went to $10 when it became 'Fat Dwarf', and then stayed at $10 when they went back to the original size. Now it'll be AUD$15.
Korinov wrote: From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
I wonder how many magazines they expect to sell around here, without a spanish translation and with a new price hike.
You do realise that the forums aren't a hive mind right? It's not the same people saying weekly WD was better now saying good for going back to the monthly one. Different people have different opinions.
Korinov wrote: From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
Monthly printing is probably a good bit cheaper than weekly at a guess.
Also, I preferred it when WD was in .ePub and .mobi as you could tap on the images and get a better look at what was being done in the Paint Splatter bit. I think the Paint Splatter was not bad, but not great either. I think you kind of have to make a compromise though as not everyone is an 'Eavy Metal Golden Demon level painter, and it can be a real challenge to get a decent result. So doing stuff that is achievable is better all round.
It wouldn't hurt to see some advanced stuff either though, I'll admit.
Wait... There is a special "introductory price" going on for the 12-month subscription. Yet that special price only gives you two free issues compared to buying them individually. So what's the "normal" subscription price? Exactly the same as retail?
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Korinov wrote: From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
Mymearan wrote: Wait... There is a special "introductory price" going on for the 12-month subscription. Yet that special price only gives you two free issues compared to buying them individually. So what's the "normal" subscription price? Exactly the same as retail?
I would guess yes, same as retail. GW generally do not give discounts for bundles.
I remember getting a Free Gorkamorka Game with my $50 White Dwarf Subscription. Then it was a Free Bike priced set of miniatures of your choice with subscription.
It’s Back! White Dwarf is returning as a monthly magazine and it’s bigger and better than ever before!
From September, White Dwarf will be back as a glossy 156-page, A4 magazine with all the news, features and pictorials you know and love – and a whole chunk of new stuff you never imagined. News! Golden Demon! Battle Reports! Painting Masterclasses! Designers Notes! Exclusive games and rulesets! And of course, gorgeous photographs of the best fantasy miniatures in the world.
The first issue is out on Friday 2nd September andcomes with our most amazing cover mount ever – a special gift to you to celebrate the glorious return of monthly White Dwarf.
Subscribe before 14 August and get an exclusive pre-launch price – and subscribers get their copies mailed early.
Please note, product image is for illustrative purposes only. Not actual cover of September 2016 issue.
I wonder what's coming stuck to the cover of issue 1 ?
adamsouza wrote: I remember getting a Free Gorkamorka Game with my $50 White Dwarf Subscription. Then it was a Free Bike priced set of miniatures of your choice with subscription.
It’s Back! White Dwarf is returning as a monthly magazine and it’s bigger and better than ever before!
From September, White Dwarf will be back as a glossy 156-page, A4 magazine with all the news, features and pictorials you know and love – and a whole chunk of new stuff you never imagined. News! Golden Demon! Battle Reports! Painting Masterclasses! Designers Notes! Exclusive games and rulesets! And of course, gorgeous photographs of the best fantasy miniatures in the world.
The first issue is out on Friday 2nd September andcomes with our most amazing cover mount ever – a special gift to you to celebrate the glorious return of monthly White Dwarf.
Subscribe before 14 August and get an exclusive pre-launch price – and subscribers get their copies mailed early.
Please note, product image is for illustrative purposes only. Not actual cover of September 2016 issue.
I wonder what's coming stuck to the cover of issue 1 ?
Mymearan wrote: Wait... There is a special "introductory price" going on for the 12-month subscription. Yet that special price only gives you two free issues compared to buying them individually. So what's the "normal" subscription price? Exactly the same as retail?
I would guess yes, same as retail. GW generally do not give discounts for bundles.
The Euro early bird price is nearly 4 free issues, 65€ compared to 96€ retail
Good enough deal for me to subscribe.
Korinov wrote: From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
Davor wrote: I don't want to feel like I am paying for advertisement, where GW should be paying for advertisement, not us. I will hold off and wait and see. I want to buy a magazine on the hobby, not an advertisement about the products.
It's still going to be White Dwarf. It's essentially been advertainment since at least 1988.
I know that, but at least it didn't feel like it like it did in the early 2000's. Before I felt like I was buying a hobby magazine for GW. While they were both the same, it's how they do it that makes the person buying or at least me not feeling like a sucker for buying it. I mean, "SUCKER buying our advertising HURH HURH!" That is how I feel like. These are things that GW should be giving away for free or they should be paying for their own advertising. This is one of the reasons why people swear GW would charge you for the air we breathe when in their stores.
Well I cancelled my sub when WD went weekly and existing subs were converted to Visions subs but now WD is back monthly, I may consider picking the sub up again. I expect fairly little from it - WD has never been the finest of literature, not for a long time, but it is a decent enough read for half an hour every month or so for me.
Promethius wrote: I'm going to get a subscription, this is very welcome news. I have to say I like visions but more as a coffee table magazine than for reading. It's sometimes nice to just see page after page of well painted and converted models for inspiration and without having to hunt through various project threads on the internet
And that is what we have been asking for. Change. Try new things. If it doesn't work, keep changing and keep trying. At least we can see that Mr Roundtree is trying innovation or I should say, change at least now instead of Age of Kirby "do as little as possible and charge as much as possible".
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
I wouldn't. Buying something before even knowing what it's going to be? For me it's a wait and see. If anything, it will be saving me money buy not buying every week and only buy what I need. After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage. Until I see White Dwarf is not garbage then I will maybe get a subscription if I keep buying monthly, but history has proven it's self time and time again, GW can't do nothing correct lately when it comes to publishing books/magazines. So for me it's a wait and see. No way am I jumping all in on this. j
All I know, it just takes 2 or 3 garbage issues to take away your savings from pre-ordering so maybe it's cheaper to just buy monthly and not buy the issues you want.
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
I wouldn't. Buying something before even knowing what it's going to be? For me it's a wait and see. If anything, it will be saving me money buy not buying every week and only buy what I need. After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage. Until I see White Dwarf is not garbage then I will maybe get a subscription if I keep buying monthly, but history has proven it's self time and time again, GW can't do nothing correct lately when it comes to publishing books/magazines. So for me it's a wait and see. No way am I jumping all in on this. j
All I know, it just takes 2 or 3 garbage issues to take away your savings from pre-ordering so maybe it's cheaper to just buy monthly and not buy the issues you want.
Very much this.
GW's handling of White Dwarf in the last years has stripped any benefit of the doubt they might have had when it comes to this once hallowed magazine. Pre-ordering this on nothing but air and sweet promises is... "highly optimistic" to say the least.
I've had the digital sub for a year now and actually enjoy it. Not sure how others were getting items a week early, but still worthy of basically $2 week.
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage.
The only garbage here is your attitude mate.
I wouldn't call any of the white dwarf magazines released in the last year garbage. Did I like every single one? No, but that doesn't make them garbage.
You obviously have a stick up your creek, so maybe this thread isn't for you? Gotta keep the cholesterol down and all that.
I am excited to see what this 'stuper duper' issue is gonna be. Subscription opportunity ends August 14th - I'm gonna wait and see if they are serious about producing a full quality mag again.
I'm sure they'll at least try hard for the first 6 months
Yeah, I'm going to subscribe, because it's basically the cost of 9 issues, and it will save me the hassle of driving to the LGS and seeing if there is still one on the shelf every month. The good ones always sell out.
Byte wrote:I never said I liked the weekly WD or everything is right with GW. Be careful with generalitions, it demonstrates your IQ.
Resorting to personal attacks in your very first reply to my comment demonstrates your education and style of debate.
ImAGeek wrote:You do realise that the forums aren't a hive mind right? It's not the same people saying weekly WD was better now saying good for going back to the monthly one. Different people have different opinions.
Of course. And opinions can change over time. There's nothing wrong with that. The issue with some people is that GW can do no wrong, so when it goes weekly it's great news, and when it goes back to monthly, it's great news as well, because GW is "going back into the right track"
About generalisations:
Mymearan wrote:Spanish people suck at english and should just git gud or git out. And I say this as a half-Spanish person.
Edit: I'm not saying I don't agree with this statement to some degree, in the same way that most english speakers suck at any other language that is not english.
I just hope it doesn't revert to what it was before. Personally I found it patronising in the extreme,all these WD staff people trying to convince us that "We're having really great fun! Look at our smiling faces,this proves we're having fun!" Whilst not actually mentioning the discontent about the continual price rises.
I know that they are trying to sell their products but It irks me that they are doing the hard sell by trying to tell us we'll have fun if we give them all our money.
Slipstream wrote: I just hope it doesn't revert to what it was before. Personally I found it patronising in the extreme,all these WD staff people trying to convince us that "We're having really great fun! Look at our smiling faces,this proves we're having fun!" Whilst not actually mentioning the discontent about the continual price rises.
I know that they are trying to sell their products but It irks me that they are doing the hard sell by trying to tell us we'll have fun if we give them all our money.
Isn't that just advertising in general?
What's bad is that we're paying for them to advertise to us by buying a giant advert from them.
Most companies pay to advertise but GW get their saps to buy the advert.
#sigh
Subscribed, I just need a good old battle report. My favourites by far were a Templar vs Orkz fight which ended with the Emperors Champion standing alone meeting his end or something like that and coincidentally while reading the 'Write for GW thread' saw the guy who was one of the players in that report or a writer for that issue.
My second favourite was a three way fight between Orkz, Tyranids and Dark Angels? I think the objective was a base in the middle, man I wish I still had my old white dwarf magazines, would love to know what issues these ones were.
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage.
The only garbage here is your attitude mate.
I wouldn't call any of the white dwarf magazines released in the last year garbage. Did I like every single one? No, but that doesn't make them garbage.
You obviously have a stick up your creek, so maybe this thread isn't for you? Gotta keep the cholesterol down and all that.
I am excited to see what this 'stuper duper' issue is gonna be. Subscription opportunity ends August 14th - I'm gonna wait and see if they are serious about producing a full quality mag again.
Oh wow, someone getting butt hurt when it doesn't apply to them? I find it funny I can't have an opinion but you can? What makes your opinion any more valid than mine? If I think White Dwarf is garbage it's garbage. If you think White Dwarf is good, it's good then. My opinion doesn't make it any more invalid than yours.
But at least you agree with me, that White Dwarf was garbage before last year.
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
I wouldn't. Buying something before even knowing what it's going to be? For me it's a wait and see. If anything, it will be saving me money buy not buying every week and only buy what I need. After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage. Until I see White Dwarf is not garbage then I will maybe get a subscription if I keep buying monthly, but history has proven it's self time and time again, GW can't do nothing correct lately when it comes to publishing books/magazines. So for me it's a wait and see. No way am I jumping all in on this. j
All I know, it just takes 2 or 3 garbage issues to take away your savings from pre-ordering so maybe it's cheaper to just buy monthly and not buy the issues you want.
"Don't you want you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regrets, waiting to die alone without a big pile of White Dwarfs to pass on?"
Signed my soul away for a subscription today. It's £12.50 a quarter for 3 magazines. That's less than my train fare to work would cost a day (even with my season ticket it's not far off).
For such a little amount of money I am willing to take a leap of faith. GW have been doing tons of awesome recently and I am willing to say; "thanks!" and "keep up the good work," by signing up for a subscription at a sweet price.
It's probably gonna be awesome, and if it's terrible, who cares? I'll cancel. I buy quite a few White Dwarfs as they are a fun extra to go along with a release. I am hoping this will give me an hour or two of enjoyment a month, that's all I need for it to be worth it really. A battle report, a custom scenario, a painting tutorial, some sweet conversions and a bit of banter (and GW have been adding all the banter back in recently) and I'm good to go.
Lighten up dude. The sky's not falling, and White Dwarf is probably gonna be awesome.
Bottle wrote: Gonna get a subscription, first subscription to White Dwarf ever :-)
I wouldn't. Buying something before even knowing what it's going to be? For me it's a wait and see. If anything, it will be saving me money buy not buying every week and only buy what I need. After all if I pre buy now it's $7 Canadian an issue (if not more) which is quite a bit for garbage. Until I see White Dwarf is not garbage then I will maybe get a subscription if I keep buying monthly, but history has proven it's self time and time again, GW can't do nothing correct lately when it comes to publishing books/magazines. So for me it's a wait and see. No way am I jumping all in on this. j
All I know, it just takes 2 or 3 garbage issues to take away your savings from pre-ordering so maybe it's cheaper to just buy monthly and not buy the issues you want.
"Don't you want you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regrets, waiting to die alone without a big pile of White Dwarfs to pass on?"
Signed my soul away for a subscription today. It's £12.50 a quarter for 3 magazines. That's less than my train fare to work would cost a day (even with my season ticket it's not far off).
For such a little amount of money I am willing to take a leap of faith. GW have been doing tons of awesome recently and I am willing to say; "thanks!" and "keep up the good work," by signing up for a subscription at a sweet price.
It's probably gonna be awesome, and if it's terrible, who cares? I'll cancel. I buy quite a few White Dwarfs as they are a fun extra to go along with a release. I am hoping this will give me an hour or two of enjoyment a month, that's all I need for it to be worth it really. A battle report, a custom scenario, a painting tutorial, some sweet conversions and a bit of banter (and GW have been adding all the banter back in recently) and I'm good to go.
Lighten up dude. The sky's not falling, and White Dwarf is probably gonna be awesome.
Bottle, I am surprised. I am not attacking you. No where did I say you were wrong either. I just quoted you because of what you said there. I was just replying on how I wasn't going to buy it. You were the last person to say they were going to get it and I was saying I am not and for why. It wasn't an attack on you at all. Sorry if you thought that.
Didn't think you were attacking me, no worries mate just thought you were being overly pessimistic :-) this hobby is about having fun, and if there's a magazine with interesting articles that adds to the fun of the hobby then I am all for it.
Where are people getting the option for a 3 issue subscription? On the Canadian site all I see is a yearly subscription? Is there different offers for different regions?
Uriels_Flame wrote: I'm a little confused as I am not FB savvy, but since I have an electronic subscription - will mine just renew or will I need to sign up all over?
There was a mention on the WD Facebook page that subscribers will receive a notification soon as to what is going to happen once September comes around.
For example, my Visions sub (which carried on from my original monthly WD sub) becomes the new monthly WD sub.
This may have already been mentioned, so apologies if it has, but I have just noticed that you can no longer take out a subscription for warhammer visions. Looks like it could be going back to a single mag.
At $80 for a year, I think I will subscribe. Hopefully the cover mount is decent or at least useful. Since it is going back to monthly, maybe cover mounts will be more common.
I think a once monthly magazine is a smart move for GW.
If they were evil/clever releasing formations or various official supplements with each issue they can state the case of making the magazines an auto-subscribe.
Then they can decide to allow back orders or publish a quarterly / semi-annual / annual compilation of all the official releases.
They used to do that with the old magazine of reprinting the small "official" rules they released.
Agreed that publishing is quite different.
I am wondering if they will go bat-crazy and start to have subscription videos like Mini-Wargaming.
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the current WD app will allow you to export the issues you've purchased on there to other readers on your device. Very nice of them eh?
In your library, press and hold on the cover of the issue you want exporting and choose your reader app. Boom. Done!
Korinov wrote: From the very same crowd who went from "everything is fine, nothing is broken" to "God bless Rountree for changing the ways of GW" in the span of two years...
Now after two years of "WD going weekly is great because it's cheaper and you can choose what you want, etc" we get "Good for GW to go back to the old ways. Rountree FTW!".
You do realise that the forums aren't a hive mind right? It's not the same people saying weekly WD was better now saying good for going back to the monthly one. Different people have different opinions.
This. I had pretty much stopped buying GW products over the past two years aside from the odd box of something for KoW - until recently when things like Calth and the SC boxes came up. Sure I bought a few copies of AoS for cheap Khorne Berserkers, but only recently have I "gotten back into" GW stuff.
It is an item of some sort (it has been miniatures or additional rule books in the past) that is included in the shrink wrap of the magazine.
Thank you. How likely is it they'll have a cover mount every month, or say every three months, in your experience with WD? If they have one of those frequently enough, I will likely subscribe. That kind of stuff adds alot of value for me.
It is an item of some sort (it has been miniatures or additional rule books in the past) that is included in the shrink wrap of the magazine.
Most likely another Sigmarine as I imagine they have loads of them lying around unsold. ;-)
I kept my subs of White Dwarf when it changed to Visions - I had loads of arguments with GW back then (and it's editor) about the changes and how to get the weekly White Dwarf. In the end, they located a local model shop who would stock it for me. So glad they did. I still have GW to thank for doing this to me. I now get to play Bolt Action, Deadzone, Kings of War, Frostgrave, Saga (and a few others). Great games I would never have tried had they not forced me into a different shop. Who knew the fun/quality of a non-GW game could be so superior to GW games - even if the models aren't always as high quality.
I kept the Visions subscription. When I asked GW yesterday, they said it will revert to White Dwarf again. There would be a letter to subscribers in the post. Finally - the real WD back again!!!
Seems a waste though as I barely touch GW stuff anymore - other than panic buying their old fantasy stuff for KoW.
Mymearan wrote: Wait... There is a special "introductory price" going on for the 12-month subscription. Yet that special price only gives you two free issues compared to buying them individually. So what's the "normal" subscription price? Exactly the same as retail?
Probably.
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Slipstream wrote: I just hope it doesn't revert to what it was before. Personally I found it patronising in the extreme,all these WD staff people trying to convince us that "We're having really great fun! Look at our smiling faces,this proves we're having fun!" Whilst not actually mentioning the discontent about the continual price rises.
I know that they are trying to sell their products but It irks me that they are doing the hard sell by trying to tell us we'll have fun if we give them all our money.
Welcome to all advertising and marketing. You expect them to have articles or even to mention how people are unhappy with their prices, or show people with dour faces? I mean, really?
Your complaints aren't realistic in the slightest for any company.
Look at Pinkman! Pretending to be enjoying himself! He's such a condescending Phony! Right?
What's bad is that we're paying for them to advertise to us by buying a giant advert from them.
Most companies pay to advertise but GW get their saps to buy the advert.
#sigh
Seriously. Don't like it? Don't buy it. No need to insult people.
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JamesY wrote: This may have already been mentioned, so apologies if it has, but I have just noticed that you can no longer take out a subscription for warhammer visions. Looks like it could be going back to a single mag.
That's a shame. My old WD sub converted to Visions, and because if it's small size and the impact that has/had on the photo quality I just let it expire. It wasn't until literally 2 weeks ago when I found out that it had become a normal magazine size, so I bought the old and now a current issue because I enjoy looking at the miniatures in locations besides my computer, and I like the physical magazine. I had actually become interested in Visions after picking up those couple of recent issues - much more than weekly WD which I've also pretty much been ignoring.
@angelofvengeance - I'm sure monthly printing is a good bit cheaper in distribution, as well as printing, and easier to organize. Also, in the monthly magazine, White Dwarf used to use significantly cheaper (thinner) paper than the current weekly version of White Dwarf. Where it's a LOT easier is stocking for hobby stores, because they don't end up with a bunch of copies of weeks 1 and 3 that didn't sell and not enough copies of weeks 2, 4, and 5 out of the month. GW lets them return paper stuff, but it's still a big hassle, and nobody likes running out of inventory.
@Korinov - to be fair, some people (like me) have reflected that they would miss the weekly magazine. I'll miss the weekly news/rumor/release/tease cycle. But that's neither a knock against or props for Kirby or Roundtree -- it's just a change; I'm sure I'll like some things better and some things I won't like as much. Overall, it will cost less, and will mean fewer trips to the hobby shop (== fewer impulse purchases), so there's always that
@Davor - For like, 20+ years, White Dwarf has been primarily an advertising vehicle for GW stuff But, like, it's not you HAVE to buy it. Most of the core game information gets printed somewhere else (digital or print codex or dataslate, etc.); most of the advertisements and photos are on their website or free app nearly concurrently for free.
JamesY wrote: This may have already been mentioned, so apologies if it has, but I have just noticed that you can no longer take out a subscription for warhammer visions. Looks like it could be going back to a single mag.
Wasn't there a post somewhere that said quarterly? Though of course, that is rumor :-)
Talys wrote: @Davor - For like, 20+ years, White Dwarf has been primarily an advertising vehicle for GW stuff But, like, it's not you HAVE to buy it. Most of the core game information gets printed somewhere else (digital or print codex or dataslate, etc.); most of the advertisements and photos are on their website or free app nearly concurrently for free.
For must of its run it was lots of articles sprinkled with advertising while the last few years of its monthly run was advertising sprinkled with some articles.
Hulksmash wrote: US price is for 3 free magazines. That's enough value for me to go ahead and subscribe. Plus I have website credit so no real loss.
That was my thought too. I will get a year sub and reevaluate from there. I doubt the cover mount is going to be something quite as good as they are advertising, and I doubt it will be a regular occurrence, but still looking forward to painting guides and new rules. If they release new stuff for either of my armies in there anywhere in the year, it will probably be worth it.
Azazelx wrote: Welcome to all advertising and marketing. You expect them to have articles or even to mention how people are unhappy with their prices, or show people with dour faces? I mean, really?
Your complaints aren't realistic in the slightest for any company.
Yeah. Nobody makes negative posts of their own products. Seen any company do that? I haven't.
Advertising their product I can take. It's expected. It just went to ridiculously blatant and boring style. Advertise how fun the hobby is and inspire. That's good way to sell. That's still advertisement but not annoying one.
Hopefully monthly WD can deliver enough that(I don't even require every page to be such gems) to be worthwhile. GW has been taking enough steps lately that I'm actually hopefull and since we fixed 40k rulewise I'm actually starting to feel like buying new models from GW again.
I'll buy copies that have substantive content for AoS, B@C, Deathwatch Overkill and Warhammer Quest. Their new board games have been really solid and I like AoS, too.
JamesY wrote:I subscribed. It's nearly half the price I was paying for visions across the year. I'm intrigued by what the bonus gift could be.
Wasn't there a deal for existing subscribers of Visions of WD? I, too, am intrigued as to what the special gift could be. Hoping for a model that is actually useful to me. Hell, I would love it if they included a coupon or something that I can spend on the model of my choice.
privateer4hire wrote:I'll buy copies that have substantive content for AoS, B@C, Deathwatch Overkill and Warhammer Quest. Their new board games have been really solid and I like AoS, too.
Hoping for the same. Content for 40K, AoS, and DW:OK more than anything though. I want new adversaries for DW:OK especially. Give me a reason to buy small amounts of Xenos armies!
There may have been, I don't recall exactly. I was staff when it came out so I got both magazines for free until leaving, otherwise I might have done the same then.
"Don't you want you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regrets, waiting to die alone without a big pile of White Dwarfs to pass on?"
I so need to add all my old White Dwarf issues to my will.......
"Don't you want you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regrets, waiting to die alone without a big pile of White Dwarfs to pass on?"
I so need to add all my old White Dwarf issues to my will.......
You know the only WDid like to keep is the first one i ever truly. bought myself, it was the one with the free Goliath figure ( the rest were hand me downs from relatives ), but alas i do not even have that one any more.
I really cant trust GW on a magazine anymore, Then again the last magazine i ever bought was imagineFX
For a few years I bought White Dwarf religiously every month, and read it cover to cover. My favourite part being the battle reports which I'd always try to save for last. I also loved it when they got readers to create articles, and attempted more than one of their homebrew scenarios or scenery pieces.
The content started to drop noticably in line with the move to only really being a catalog for their stuff and no longer promoted being creative, sometimes actually actively discouraging it. I gradually stopped buying it. With the change to the weekly edition and Warhammer visions I stopped entirely.
This change back to it's monthly slot is only really of interest to me if the content improves. There have been some positive changes in the past few months so here's hoping White dwarf once again becomes a must read.
I will wait and see what they decide to do for content and buy at my FLGS.
If they make it more Visions than the WD weekly, it would most likely die like a dog.
Maybe we can be reintroduced to what employee "characters" remain with the company.
I have been around for a while but if I see any more articles of an old grognard waxing poetic about how we can adapt the game to what we want with our own rules... it would be dead to me.
My WH Visions subscription will be replaced with the new WD. Fortunately the sub will get extended by half a year according to the letter from GW. 12 issues for 40 EUR is quite a deal. Visions will be re-released later this year and changes to a quarterly release.
I am a bit disappointted that I renewed my Visions sub just days before this announcement and they didnt say a word as they took my money knowing that they were planning to change what i was subbing to...
It isnt that bad, you will get at least 15 issues now
3 additional WDs as an offer to Visions subscribers.
August Visions will get skipped, so there is another free issue added. In my case they made it 6 additional issues. Just wait for the letter to arrive.
GW's ad says Monthly WD will combine Weekly + Visions content.
It appears someone got on their high horse at my last comment!
Look mate, I wasn't banging on about advertising nor do I want to see pictures of grumpy people!Although now I think of it it would be fun!(Do you know what fun is?). The point I was making was that they are missing the point of WD. It is about the games not the bloody staff writers! Perfect example;In one of the issues there was a big spread about the writers having a jolly good time(fun,eh?)in some underground place.Relevance to WD? Absolutely nothing.I checked.So why is it in WD??? i don't care what they do in their spare time,yet it's somehow hobby related?
Will we ever see an article on playing one of their games on a budget?Hah! They've priced many players out of the game,surely there's a need for one seeing as they are now trying to 'connect' with community? I doubt it because it's all about profit.You know when WD got boring?When they allowed advertising declare war on the hobby,that was when fun went out the window.
Will we ever see something like a genuine letters page in WD, or even on their new web pages where they are open and honest in their response instead of ignoring the bleeding obvious? Hah! Because criticism makes them run away and not speak to anybody.How can something improve if you don't listen?
Like many similar arguments your jab;'If you don't like it,don't buy it' is flippant. I'd buy it if I thought it was worthwhile but it isn't.
Yes there should be adverts like you said.But what I'm saying is that the WD should be predominantly about the hobby first and advertising second,because let's face it if you are into 40k you already know what to expect without getting it rammed down you throat each month that you need to buy the latest shiny thing otherwise your army is crap!,you know what you are going to buy and what you won't.
WD should be about having fun;not a bunch of patronising people masquerading as having fun all in the aim of profit;that's what winds me up!
Before I give up on this response let's review exactly where their hard sell tactics have got them;
Warhammer fantasy;GONE!
Age of Sigmar; On the slopes!
Revenue;Dipping every year!
Many of their shops closed;Bravo! You've shot yourself in the foot
Communication with the community BUT only on their terms;Joy to the world! North Korea must be proud!
Just shows you what happens when hard nosed advertising decides fun is bad for profit.
Slipstream wrote: It appears someone got on their high horse at my last comment!
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Look mate, I wasn't banging on about advertising nor do I want to see pictures of grumpy people!Although now I think of it it would be fun!(Do you know what fun is?). The point I was making was that they are missing the point of WD. It is about the games not the bloody staff writers! Perfect example;In one of the issues there was a big spread about the writers having a jolly good time(fun,eh?)in some underground place.Relevance to WD? Absolutely nothing.I checked.So why is it in WD??? i don't care what they do in their spare time,yet it's somehow hobby related?
Will we ever see an article on playing one of their games on a budget?Hah! They've priced many players out of the game,surely there's a need for one seeing as they are now trying to 'connect' with community? I doubt it because it's all about profit.You know when WD got boring?When they allowed advertising declare war on the hobby,that was when fun went out the window.
Will we ever see something like a genuine letters page in WD, or even on their new web pages where they are open and honest in their response instead of ignoring the bleeding obvious? Hah! Because criticism makes them run away and not speak to anybody.How can something improve if you don't listen?
Like many similar arguments your jab;'If you don't like it,don't buy it' is flippant. I'd buy it if I thought it was worthwhile but it isn't.
Yes there should be adverts like you said.But what I'm saying is that the WD should be predominantly about the hobby first and advertising second,because let's face it if you are into 40k you already know what to expect without getting it rammed down you throat each month that you need to buy the latest shiny thing otherwise your army is crap!,you know what you are going to buy and what you won't.
WD should be about having fun;not a bunch of patronising people masquerading as having fun all in the aim of profit;that's what winds me up!
Before I give up on this response let's review exactly where their hard sell tactics have got them;
Warhammer fantasy;GONE!
Age of Sigmar; On the slopes!
Revenue;Dipping every year!
Many of their shops closed;Bravo! You've shot yourself in the foot
Communication with the community BUT only on their terms;Joy to the world! North Korea must be proud!
Just shows you what happens when hard nosed advertising decides fun is bad for profit.
I can admire and agree what you said about WD should be about showing the fun to be had: that was easily seen in my old WD copies of years ago (a decade or further back).
BUT that "someone" was also pointing out that the reality is that GW is a rather different beast now and it is pretty much all about selling that product.
You pointed out many things that they have done that did not seem to be winning strategies but we had seen they did not appear to care in the past.
I would just keep an open mind and see what the next few WD's bring us.
Mainly advertising with little in useful articles will pretty much decide it for you and you can then get on your high horse. If they actually show some painting guides, a game played, maybe even a few comments from the staff of various interesting things there may be some hope for the "new" GW.
Slipstream wrote: It appears someone got on their high horse at my last comment!
Look mate, I wasn't banging on about advertising nor do I want to see pictures of grumpy people!Although now I think of it it would be fun!(Do you know what fun is?). The point I was making was that they are missing the point of WD. It is about the games not the bloody staff writers! Perfect example;In one of the issues there was a big spread about the writers having a jolly good time(fun,eh?)in some underground place.Relevance to WD? Absolutely nothing.I checked.So why is it in WD??? i don't care what they do in their spare time,yet it's somehow hobby related?
Will we ever see an article on playing one of their games on a budget?Hah! They've priced many players out of the game,surely there's a need for one seeing as they are now trying to 'connect' with community? I doubt it because it's all about profit.You know when WD got boring?When they allowed advertising declare war on the hobby,that was when fun went out the window.
Will we ever see something like a genuine letters page in WD, or even on their new web pages where they are open and honest in their response instead of ignoring the bleeding obvious? Hah! Because criticism makes them run away and not speak to anybody.How can something improve if you don't listen?
Like many similar arguments your jab;'If you don't like it,don't buy it' is flippant. I'd buy it if I thought it was worthwhile but it isn't.
Yes there should be adverts like you said.But what I'm saying is that the WD should be predominantly about the hobby first and advertising second,because let's face it if you are into 40k you already know what to expect without getting it rammed down you throat each month that you need to buy the latest shiny thing otherwise your army is crap!,you know what you are going to buy and what you won't.
WD should be about having fun;not a bunch of patronising people masquerading as having fun all in the aim of profit;that's what winds me up!
Before I give up on this response let's review exactly where their hard sell tactics have got them;
Warhammer fantasy;GONE!
Age of Sigmar; On the slopes!
Revenue;Dipping every year!
Many of their shops closed;Bravo! You've shot yourself in the foot
Communication with the community BUT only on their terms;Joy to the world! North Korea must be proud!
Just shows you what happens when hard nosed advertising decides fun is bad for profit.
Yet, what you complained about was that the magazine showed people having fun, and failed to mention discontent about high prices. Which is a completely ridiculous criticism, and I'm sure people justifiably concluded that you were being ridiculous.
TheWanderer wrote: I am a bit disappointted that I renewed my Visions sub just days before this announcement and they didnt say a word as they took my money knowing that they were planning to change what i was subbing to...
Ah so GW hasn't changed much then did they? Just like how they kept selling 6th edition knowing 7th was coming out one week later. Well here is hoping you get a good deal out of it. I would call Customer Support and see what they can do for you. They are really good about this. The one thing I hope that GW doesn't change is their customer support. They are one of the best.
I'm not sure current GWis even capable of great articles that WD had more than a decade ago. So many staffers and designers, sculptors and artists are gone that I liked.
If they can really turn it around and have detailed designer's notes on new kits, good background articles, some likeable guys doing Tales of X painters, conversion section etc, I'll be a subscriber
Just imagine a real designer's rundown of the Blight Kings set with a detailed list of ideas that were brainstormed, concept sketches, technical limitations or successes, etc.. And a studio/store conversion competition focused on them for the same issue. Or for Silver Tower. What could've been.
I'm glad it's going back to monthly, but I'm a bit annoyed that I'll be left with a monthly Visions subscription :(
I originally had the white dwarf subscription, but when Visions came out it got automatically switched over to that. To be fair, it's really cheap - but I just wish I had the subscription the way it was before!
I'm guessing someone finally figured out we would be more likley to drop $80 for a years subscription instead of shelling out $260, buying it for $5 every week.
Also, making it a monthly magazine again gives them more time to actually create content for it, and hopefully allows for the creation of actual content.
Ankhalagon wrote: Simple. If its like the glory days of WD, maybe I will subscribe. If not, well....I will just ignore it like Visions and WDW.
Things are never as glorious as they seem to have been in the past when we were younger. Rose coloured glasses and all that. I've been reading through my old WDs recently (RT-era and Sawyer-era), and some of it it awesome but quite a lot is the same ham-fisted sales pitch that it ever was. Even the canonised Tale of Four Gamers has FAKE!!! photos of them pretending to buy their new models at a GW retail store. Which look just as fake now as they did the first time I saw them. Goes back to my point earlier of the same complaints that have been hovering around WD for the past 25 years.
Slipstream wrote: It appears someone got on their high horse at my last comment!
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Mate, you care about this WAY too fething much to the point that you're losing the plot and going into an insane and frankly unrealistic rant. You've clearly decided in advance that you think it's going to be gak, and there's clearly no way that it can meet your personal standards and desires for it, no matter how unrealistic they might be. But you know what? That's fine. So again. Seriously. Just don't buy it.
Buy No Quarter or Wargames Illustrated instead.
Use the uncountable number of free resources on the internet for your hobby needs instead because WD/GW is clearly not going to meet them. You might want to consider switching games as well if GW gets your goat that badly. That way you'll be supporting a company you might even like rather than one that gets you so worked up. Gates of Antares by Warlord, written by Rick Priestly, or Bolt Action for WW2 gaming that's accessible to 40k players. I've heard that Warlord is working on a Fantasy version of Hail Caesar as well. Mantic might one day come up with a finished ruleset in the 40k space, but their Kings of War is a great Fantasy Battle Game. 9th Age is free. Ditto for In the Emperor's Name. There's never been a better time to be a miniatures gamer. There's never been so many easily-available alternatives - for models, for rules, for modelling supplies, for hobby articles... Many of those games will even work with your existing models. I gave up on WHFB years ago myself. Now I play KoW with my Warhammer models.
Here's a YouTube video that came up yesterday on saving money in the hobby (and it's not a dumbass video, either) https://youtu.be/Rxt2zfxWN5c
My suggestion for you and GW, though:
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JohnnyHell wrote: Guys, those saying it's too much of a wall-to-wall advert, did we all forget the classic strapline?
"White Dwarf: Games Workshop Present Its Monthly Hobby Supplement And Miniatures Catalogue"
Catalogue. Was always there in black and white.
Not Always. It seems to have been added back in WD167.
H.B.M.C. wrote: When I started buying WD is was AUD$5.99, then it went to $10 when it became 'Fat Dwarf', and then stayed at $10 when they went back to the original size. Now it'll be AUD$15.
Good for them I guess.
You're missing the few years when it was $12-14 dollars (can't remember exactly which, just that I needed a $10 note and some gold coins to by one without change and that if I bought one with a $10 + $5 note I' get change back).
So not as large of an increase, but still one (unless they upped the price to $15 when they thickened them up again with more shiny model pictures in the release section in October 2012, at the time I was still subscribed to the thing so I don't recall the price then).
@Azazelx that's a good level of pedantry right there! I frickin' remembered the strapline... Whilst 'always' might have been hyperbole, ya gotta give me 23 ago years as a decent precedent, right? :-P
(And FWIW, me and my friends used to love the catalogue pages in particular. The painted shots were cool, but the pages of white metal components were just wonderful!)
Incidentally, newsstand prices are at all time highs while sales are at all-time lows. I'm curious about White Dwarf's performance relative to other magazines, over the years.
This article, written in September 2015, indicates a drop of about 28% between Q1 2015 and 2014 -- with more than 70% of hard copies left unsold on shelves. Sounds grim!
JohnnyHell wrote: Guys, those saying it's too much of a wall-to-wall advert, did we all forget the classic strapline?
"White Dwarf: Games Workshop Present Its Monthly Hobby Supplement And Miniatures Catalogue"
Catalogue. Was always there in black and white.
The catalogue bit at the back was one of my favourite bits as a kid, the yellow bordered black and white photos of disassembled lead minis. I used to love wishlisting what models I would save my meagre pocket money up for.
Anyway, a lot of people are saying that it's going to be difficult to find content or that it will just end up being adverts.
It seems to me the simplest way to take the short pale one back to its former glory, while at the same time showing off their products would be to get a collection of people together who love the hobby, that's your team of writers. Have them each start an army from both of the games, and follow their progress with paint splashes, conversion guides, battle reports etc. They could explore all sorts of things like custom paint jobs, writing your own background fluff, running a narrative campaign. It's a vast hobby. There would still be plenty of room for studio painted models and glossy adverts, but I think the best way to sell the hobby to people is to show people who are enthusiastic about the hobby actually taking part and enjoying it. We all know they are going to need to push their own products like their scenery lines, and hobby tools, that's fine by me, I don't expect them to do any less. But there's plenty of scope for a lot more creative exploration within the hobby that doesn't always involve buying fifty quids worth of stuff from GW. IMO if they pushed a little bit of that, it would still encourage sales through people being enthusiastic about the hobby again.
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Talys wrote: Incidentally, newsstand prices are at all time highs while sales are at all-time lows. I'm curious about White Dwarf's performance relative to other magazines, over the years.
This article, written in September 2015, indicates a drop of about 28% between Q1 2015 and 2014 -- with more than 70% of hard copies left unsold on shelves. Sounds grim!
My guess is more and more people are consuming their media on tablets and smartphones. It's nice to have an actual magazine to read sometimes, but it's much more convenient to just download them onto an iPad. It's a shame for all the newsagents, but I guess the world moves on.
The prices rising are more likely in line with increased cost of living and generally higher wages (bar the odd recession here and there) if people are still buying the magazines on tablets, then they are still going to be able to charge a decent amount, and I would imagine in some cases, print versions are more expensive.
JohnnyHell wrote: Guys, those saying it's too much of a wall-to-wall advert, did we all forget the classic strapline?
"White Dwarf: Games Workshop Present Its Monthly Hobby Supplement And Miniatures Catalogue"
Catalogue. Was always there in black and white.
Ah yes Catalogue. Something we don't pay for, but GW charges us for it. What is next we have to pay for the air we breath in their stores? I have never seen a catalogue that I had to pay for. Sears, free, Consumers Distributing free, The Bay, free, Walmart flyers (like a catalogue but weekly ) free, free free. Oh wait, Fantasy Flight Games have a catalogue and it's free. Shall I go on, Best Buy, Auto Car parts stores, they have catalogues and I don't ever recall paying for it. Don't bother saying anything about Privateer Press, they just seem to fallow GW methods now and charge insane prices as well now. (Not as bad but still quite a bit for some of their shoddy products).
So your point is? I still not sure what your point is. My point about it being advertising, is WE SHOULDN'T be PAYING for GW advertising. At least in the early 2000s it wasn't IN YOUR FACE blatant advertising. Now it's like Kirby is mocking us by saying "Here is our advertising and you are paying for it". Sounds like something Donald Trump will say.
At least now with the Age of Roundtree, here is hoping that White Dwarf will go back to it's glory days while "showcasing" their miniatures instead of advertising their miniatures. It's how the deliver it. Ah a memory came up. If I recall properly in the glory days for White Dwarf, while yes the first few pages were about the new releases, the rest of the ARTICLES were not. So it felt like a hobby magazine instead of a CATALOGUE.
I want a hobby magazine, I don't want a weekly or now a monthly catalogue.
I went ahead and pre-ordered my subscription. I have missed out on due them selling out that it was worth it. I just hope they put enough usable content in that I don't regret it.
1) I'm old enough to remember when getting the White Dwarf each month was almost an event;YES!!! It was that good. Issue 101 was when it started to slip.
2) I don't think it's going to be 'gak' as you suggest. It will be to all intents and purposes 'the same' because they don't want to rock the boat,will they? What I meant was; It needs to evolve.
3) Wargames Illustrated is solely aimed at Historical gamers.I did buy it for a good few years for the painting articles but stopped when Flames of War took over.
4) I lost the plot years ago/I thought I'd found it again recently but, alas no!
5) I'd really like to start buying the WD again,which may surprise you or make you want to smash your computer in dismay. I really would. But for more of the same? New word again;EVOLVE.It has to.They used to do a questionaire each year but they stopped that.Why? you stop asking your demograpihic audience what they want and they seemed shocked when the sales go down;have they not heard of research? Now it's seems to be 'Here's the new stuff.We don't care what you do with it as long as you buy it".
6) I do use the net for the resources as you suggest and I do get a lot of ideas from them. I started collecting and painting before computers took over,so I tend to favor the non digital(yes! There are still old b*****s like me still around! I'm not dead yet!Well...). I like to pore over stuff over and over;can't do that before the sciatica kicks in sitting staring at the screen! One of life's great pleasures is being comfy and reading something interesting.I wish WD will be that again.I really do.
7) Does it really still need to be a catalogue first? I don't think it does;every potential buyer of the magazine knows what the games are/what the figures are. It would make more sense if 25% of it was advertising and the other 75% solely for things like painting and modelling/ideas for games/q+a/rules etc.... Just general hobby stuff.
8)Just so you know;none of this response was done with any malice.Maybe humour now and again but not malice. Okay?
Yep i used to get the catalogue every time a new one came out and from what i can remember they cost about the same as a tactical sqd but lots of people had them . Tho you could get the monthly free one direct from the trolls
CURNOW wrote: Yep i used to get the catalogue every time a new one came out and from what i can remember they cost about the same as a tactical sqd but lots of people had them . Tho you could get the monthly free one direct from the trolls
I used to buy them as well, the ones around 92-96 or so were big books, but they were incredibly useful.
Why, some may ask, would you do that?
Because GW still operated the bitz service back then, and those big catalogues showed every part of every model, so you could see exactly which bit to order when you were making some custom stuff.
Daver, my point was that it was always advertising, it really was, but they were just more upfront about it. :-) I enjoyed those older mags more but the actual content was always pretty skinny. Most of the mag boiled down to 'buy more stuff of ours', let's be honest. Flash back a bunch more years when they covered scratch-building, converting and terrain making more, and then you've got a more rounded mag. I used to adore all the Epic terrain articles in particular.
JohnnyHell wrote: Daver, my point was that it was always advertising, it really was, but they were just more upfront about it. :-) I enjoyed those older mags more but the actual content was always pretty skinny. Most of the mag boiled down to 'buy more stuff of ours', let's be honest. Flash back a bunch more years when they covered scratch-building, converting and terrain making more, and then you've got a more rounded mag. I used to adore all the Epic terrain articles in particular.
Fair enough my friend. Why I responded to you it sounded a bit condescending to me at first. (In a lot of pain right now, I might have read what you wrote wrong.)
This makes a lot more sense to me. Thanks for your explanation. I see you didn't really mean how I took it at the time.
adamsouza wrote: As much as I would prefer terrain building articles, I'd settle for some actual articles on startegy and tactics or army building.
Wanna sell me some Munitorum Armored Containters this month ? Write me an article showing me how they can be used with different armies.
What strategy can GW provide that this forum cannot? Battle reports and narratives are fun to read, but GW doesn't build armies, or use strategy or tactics to actually win :p A lot of the time they don't even use the rules correctly. The best thing, IMO, that GW can do is focus on the hobby aspect, free rules (since we all know people spend money on rules even if its for stuff like cargo containers), and things like battle reports/new scenarios.
I think White Dwarf could do good strategy and tactics articles again - mainly though having guest writers.
I am talking from an Age of Sigmar perspective here but lots of the tourney high flyers are now in direct liaison with the AoSGW community team - they could invite someone to do a guest article and it would probably be really insightful.
There are GW staff members that are tourney regulars for AoS too.
Once Matched Play hits, I would love to have some army building and tactics articles in my White Dwarfs.
adamsouza wrote: As much as I would prefer terrain building articles, I'd settle for some actual articles on startegy and tactics or army building.
Wanna sell me some Munitorum Armored Containters this month ? Write me an article showing me how they can be used with different armies.
What strategy can GW provide that this forum cannot? Battle reports and narratives are fun to read, but GW doesn't build armies, or use strategy or tactics to actually win :p A lot of the time they don't even use the rules correctly. The best thing, IMO, that GW can do is focus on the hobby aspect, free rules (since we all know people spend money on rules even if its for stuff like cargo containers), and things like battle reports/new scenarios.
Agreed. Dakka and other sites are home o' the netlist.
The GW staff are 'playing' for their employment and they also obviously have a much more relaxed take on the rules.
What about new custom units for AoS and 40k? Or even when LoTR comes back, I loved the custom/conversion units for LoTR in the White Dwarf occasionally which also had rules for them. Like there was one for I think for Dol Guldur Uruks or Slavedriver type guys and you had to get an Uruk-Hai Pikeman and mold a green stuff skull onto him. Think he was like 50 points but so cool to see unique stuff like that. Would be awesome to see some of that again especially for AoS. Kinda like they did with the Flesh Courts and mixing the Vargheists and Crypt Horrors.
JohnnyHell wrote: Guys, those saying it's too much of a wall-to-wall advert, did we all forget the classic strapline?
"White Dwarf: Games Workshop Present Its Monthly Hobby Supplement And Miniatures Catalogue"
Catalogue. Was always there in black and white.
No. But again it's difference of SCALE.
You do know there's difference between WD having 40% ad's, 60% hobby content to 100% ads, 0% hobby content?
Nobody is expecting WD with zero ads. But there's still difference between "ads" and "all ads".
Heck even the old catalogue pages were more useful and inspiring than the current ads as it gave some ideas for conversions. These days it's "buy and assemble as instructed" mentality.
adamsouza wrote: As much as I would prefer terrain building articles, I'd settle for some actual articles on startegy and tactics or army building.
Wanna sell me some Munitorum Armored Containters this month ? Write me an article showing me how they can be used with different armies.
What strategy can GW provide that this forum cannot? Battle reports and narratives are fun to read, but GW doesn't build armies, or use strategy or tactics to actually win :p A lot of the time they don't even use the rules correctly. The best thing, IMO, that GW can do is focus on the hobby aspect, free rules (since we all know people spend money on rules even if its for stuff like cargo containers), and things like battle reports/new scenarios.
Agreed. Dakka and other sites are home o' the netlist.
The GW staff are 'playing' for their employment and they also obviously have a much more relaxed take on the rules.
Well that's niche for WD. Scenarios and tactics for those who aren't interested in optimized to hell lists for attempts to use 40k for competive game(for which it's particularly illsuited).
JohnnyHell wrote: Guys, those saying it's too much of a wall-to-wall advert, did we all forget the classic strapline?
"White Dwarf: Games Workshop Present Its Monthly Hobby Supplement And Miniatures Catalogue"
Catalogue. Was always there in black and white.
Erm, did you miss the "Hobby Supplement And" part? Of course it was a catalogue, but it was an "and catalogue" not a "only catalogue". There were a few pages at the back that showed you the new models break down with part codes so you could order individual bits and a brief listing near the start that told you what was coming out that month.
I don't think most people disliked that it was a "hobby supplement and miniatures catalogue", it was more when it became a "miniatures catalogue and miniatures catalogue".
I guess I am in the small minority that will really miss Visions. It was perfect for me nowadays since I still love (most of) GW:s estetics and oogling great painted minis for inspiration.
But I have not played one of the GW big games for years (though I like the new box games and play lots of Epic Armageddon).
I find I actually like the less (no) content and more pictures (!)...
But I guess I'll save a bit of money if Visions becomes a quarterly instead. And I'll buy the odd WD for expansions to the board games and maybe for the really fun releases.
i don't know what you guys are on about with it only being a catalogue...
WD Weekly has scenarios, rules, and reader's models...
Visions has Blanchitsu, Parade Ground, Army of the Month, Kitbash, Golden Demon and other painting contest minis, all featuring the work of hobbyists...
i'm with you, partisan_nick...
i've really enjoyed Visions it has had some really inspiring minis inside!!!
I liked Warhammer Visions as well and hope the quarterly replacement will be the same or at least similiar. It took a while but when it changed to the larger format and focused more on army and terrain projects it was finally good at what it wants to be.
The last year's issues featured a lot of nice conversions and this is inspring stuff for future projects worth having in collected and printed form at the workbench
1700Yen in Japan... that's more than the price of my final Fantasy monthly suscription and I get much more milleage from that.
On the other hand I did like I found that unlike the last monthly WD, the weekly release had much more value and you could find cool stuff in it if you were lucky if your army was a weekly release. I hope the new monthly WD continues that trend instead of going back being a lackluster catalog.
TheWanderer wrote: I am a bit disappointted that I renewed my Visions sub just days before this announcement and they didnt say a word as they took my money knowing that they were planning to change what i was subbing to...
Ah so GW hasn't changed much then did they? Just like how they kept selling 6th edition knowing 7th was coming out one week later. Well here is hoping you get a good deal out of it. I would call Customer Support and see what they can do for you. They are really good about this. The one thing I hope that GW doesn't change is their customer support. They are one of the best.
I agree that GW customer support is very good and I am sure it will get sorted, peraps my high expectation of them is why I was disappointted in the first place.
As to you comparison with selling 6th edition on the run up to 7th doesnt really work for me. One is a functional game that still exists unchanged after 7th is released. The other is a subscription running into the future for a yet to be provided item, which now wont be the item i paid for... I am not feeling too hard done by it and I guess I get the point your trying to make.
I guess its more like I paid for 6th and when i opened the box it had 7th edition in there, 7th is cool and all but its not what I paid for and while I am hopefully that the new WD to will be great and worth the money its a yet to be demostrated product that I am now getting rather than the thing I paid for.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't know what you guys are on about with it only being a catalogue...
I am surprised you would say that Jah-Joshua. After all I believe you are the one who always says it's opinions and there is no right or wrong answer.
We all have differing opinions. It all depends on what people want out of the magazine. For most they are not getting enough value for what they want. For you, you are getting great value for others not. So when people are not getting value out of it, it's just a catalogue to them.
So many people love Justin Bieber. So many people love 50 Shades of Grey. For a lot of people it is also trash. So it depends on what the person wants. Nobody is right or wrong. It's all opinion.
Davor wrote: So it depends on what the person wants. Nobody is right or wrong. It's all opinion.
The only "right or wrong" is in the eyes of the consumer: if many people give it a pass, GW has even less money to rub together and less eyes with wallets to convince to buy their product.
I had a WD subscription for decades, I hope they get some REAL content in there because I can say the past year I had not been convinced to buy a single weekly WD at the FLGS.
Maybe I am more jaded than most.
I probably fall under the category of remembering "the good old days" where comparing the content now, it looks like trash.
@Davor: why would you be surprised that i pointed out that there is content such as scenarios, rules, and hobbyist created conversions and paint jobs???
that has nothing to do with right and wrong...
it is a simple fact...
you are free to dislike the mags, of course, but saying it is just a catalogue is doing a huge disservice to the hard work done by the hobbyists who's minis are showcased in Army of the Month, Reader's Parade Ground, Golden Demon, The Fang, Armies on Parade, and Blanchitsu...
i never said anyone is wrong to think that there is not enough value in the mags, but i whole heartedly disagree with the statement that they are "just a catalogue"...
Yes, those are lovely pictures - how do I replicate them?
That's the difference between present-day WD and WD-of-yore - showcasing fan armies is great, but those articles used to be 1/2-2/3 pictures, and the rest actual article, ie the fan in question explaining their thought process or exactly how they did a certain conversion.
It's the same issue as with the painting tutorials - they still technically have them, but that's not the same thing as them being good.
Looking at pretty pictures devoid of context is what coolminiornot is for, if I'm going to fork over actual money for an actual magazine, I want more than just pretty pictures, I want discussion of the pretty pictures, analysis of the pretty pictures, detailed explanations of how to replicate what I see in the pretty pictures. Blanchitsu is better than nothing, but you can still learn more by spending five minutes on the Ammobunker's INQ28 forum than you could by reading every single Blanchitsu featuring the products of that forum's membership.
WD used to provide something you couldn't get anywhere else, but now we have the internet so "pretty pictures to look at" and even "basic painting & conversion guides" are dime-a-dozen. GW's response was to even further simplify any hobby content that remained, when they should have been doing the opposite - give us meat, GW have some incredibly talented painters on staff, let them loose, let them create the kind of content that you can only find online by forking over for DVDs and then serialise it. Sure, whack in a quick "paint by numbers" tutorial using the official colours for people who're new or just want a nice quick tabletop-quality job so they can get to gaming, but then show us the same thing painted to GD-standard and tell us how to replicate some of the techniques or styles on that version.
I think the "Visions" part of WD became dead to me when it became known / obvious many pictures were photo-shopped.
It is inspiring to see well done painting, hopeless and pointless to see digital touch-up.
Yodhrin wrote: Yes, those are lovely pictures - how do I replicate them?
That's the difference between present-day WD and WD-of-yore - showcasing fan armies is great, but those articles used to be 1/2-2/3 pictures, and the rest actual article, ie the fan in question explaining their thought process or exactly how they did a certain conversion.
In defense of this...
First, and most obviously, there are a bazillion free, high production value videos on WarhammerTV to get you to an intermediate level of painting.
But, if you want to paint models that look like 95% of the studio models, buy the painting guide to that faction. They have TONS of them, and they are pretty detailed with excellent photography. If you want to know how they paint the top-notch titans and vehicles, and the scratchbuilt/converted dioramas, buy the Forge World Masterclass books. They are also excellent and provide great detail and awesomely useful photography.
I think it's more useful to have all the Ultramarine or Blood Angels or Dark Eldar or Tyranid painting instructions in one book, than scattered across 10 years of White Dwarf, because all you need to do to get it is to buy a single book, instead of scour boxes of old magazines in a hobby shop that you didn't buy, because you weren't interested in them, then. Plus, then, they are much more consistent. And if that's what you want, it's also a lot cheaper to just buy the Citadel general painting guide + the specific army guide.
Keep in mind that much of the spectacle displayed in GW magazines (Visions, WD) is in sheer volume of models and the environment. The vast majority of models are really well painted without being "awesome" -- but they look awesome when you zoom out and display a table full of them engaged in battle.
When it comes to the REALLY nice stuff, like 'Eavy Metal models, Golden Daemon, etc. -- sure, there are some Masterclass-style resources, but frankly, this type of painting is something you need to develop on your own, with practice and a ton of time. Often, years. It's not somethign that is well-encapsulated in a magazine. For example, there's a nice video where Duncan explains how to do a power sword with lightning effects (last year's advent), and it looks really great. But to take it a step above that, and get the kind of weapon that was in the Weapon of the Week (the pink and white blade) in the last White Dwarf means that you'll be spending endless hours on a sword, with a lot of practice, looking at other models, photography of real metallic items, and that kind of thing.
Note that I'm not directly addressing the value proposition of White Dwarf or Visions; only that I think that GW has superior alternatives to a monthly/weekly magazine in terms of how-to's. Really, what's in the magazine (like Paint Splatter) is just a teaser, though sometimes there is genuinely useful and exclusive information in them, or in Sprues & Glue.
Yodhrin wrote: Yes, those are lovely pictures - how do I replicate them?
That's the difference between present-day WD and WD-of-yore - showcasing fan armies is great, but those articles used to be 1/2-2/3 pictures, and the rest actual article, ie the fan in question explaining their thought process or exactly how they did a certain conversion.
In defense of this...
First, and most obviously, there are a bazillion free, high production value videos on WarhammerTV to get you to an intermediate level of painting.
But, if you want to paint models that look like 95% of the studio models, buy the painting guide to that faction. They have TONS of them, and they are pretty detailed with excellent photography. If you want to know how they paint the top-notch titans and vehicles, and the scratchbuilt/converted dioramas, buy the Forge World Masterclass books. They are also excellent and provide great detail and awesomely useful photography.
I think it's more useful to have all the Ultramarine or Blood Angels or Dark Eldar or Tyranid painting instructions in one book, than scattered across 10 years of White Dwarf, because all you need to do to get it is to buy a single book, instead of scour boxes of old magazines in a hobby shop that you didn't buy, because you weren't interested in them, then. Plus, then, they are much more consistent. And if that's what you want, it's also a lot cheaper to just buy the Citadel general painting guide + the specific army guide.
Keep in mind that much of the spectacle displayed in GW magazines (Visions, WD) is in sheer volume of models and the environment. The vast majority of models are really well painted without being "awesome" -- but they look awesome when you zoom out and display a table full of them engaged in battle.
When it comes to the REALLY nice stuff, like 'Eavy Metal models, Golden Daemon, etc. -- sure, there are some Masterclass-style resources, but frankly, this type of painting is something you need to develop on your own, with practice and a ton of time. Often, years. It's not somethign that is well-encapsulated in a magazine. For example, there's a nice video where Duncan explains how to do a power sword with lightning effects (last year's advent), and it looks really great. But to take it a step above that, and get the kind of weapon that was in the Weapon of the Week (the pink and white blade) in the last White Dwarf means that you'll be spending endless hours on a sword, with a lot of practice, looking at other models, photography of real metallic items, and that kind of thing.
Note that I'm not directly addressing the value proposition of White Dwarf or Visions; only that I think that GW has superior alternatives to a monthly/weekly magazine in terms of how-to's. Really, what's in the magazine (like Paint Splatter) is just a teaser, though sometimes there is genuinely useful and exclusive information in them, or in Sprues & Glue.
Of course there are going to be better ways, I'm advocating for WD to be good enough to buy, not the best there ever was. For advanced painting tutorials, for detailed guides on how to replicate staff and fan conversions, for "Tale of..." escalation-style series that have people putting in genuine effort to craft workable armies within the limits of the series, and for proper battle reports with diagrams and blow-by-blow explanations of tactics; sure, there are better places to get all of those, but a once-monthly curated magazine filled with such things is something I would pay a fiver for. Paint Splatter, a batch of pretty pictures, naked advertising, and an occasional Dataslate, however, is not.
EDIT: And they can still collect all of a faction's content in one book using an annual format, or offer it as microtransactions with a bundle deal.
Davor wrote: So it depends on what the person wants. Nobody is right or wrong. It's all opinion.
The only "right or wrong" is in the eyes of the consumer: if many people give it a pass, GW has even less money to rub together and less eyes with wallets to convince to buy their product.
I had a WD subscription for decades, I hope they get some REAL content in there because I can say the past year I had not been convinced to buy a single weekly WD at the FLGS.
Maybe I am more jaded than most.
I probably fall under the category of remembering "the good old days" where comparing the content now, it looks like trash.
I agree with you. Who would have thought at least for me the good old days was the early 2000s
jah-joshua wrote:@Davor: why would you be surprised that i pointed out that there is content such as scenarios, rules, and hobbyist created conversions and paint jobs???
that has nothing to do with right and wrong...
it is a simple fact...
I don't like to make excuses my friend but I have been in pain as of late. Maybe I took what you wrote as disagreeing with someone who thought that mag was trash and you were trying to say it wasn't. My apologies.
@Yodhrin: again, i am not talking value judgement...
i am only saying that there are plenty of features that are much more than "naked advertising" ...
you really do a disservice to the work of hobbyists that get showcased with statements like that...
i am not trying to defend the "usefulness" of any of the content, as that is a value judgement...
i am simply saying that stating the mags are "just a catalogue" is false...
everyone i know who has had there minis featured have been stoked, and i think that is awesome...
having your work showcased in an industry mag is a big accomplishment for a lot of hobbyists, and dismissing it as simply "pretty pictures to look at" is really disrespectful to our fellows...
i get that it is not worth it to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the weekly/monthly features showing off the work of hobbyists are there...
people complaining that the mags don't show anything other than minis to buy is patently false, and shows that the biggest complaints are from people who don't buy the mags, and thus don't know what they are talking about...
i was simply providing a list of features that are actual content...
whether you value that content or not is a whole different matter...
I don't think photos of really nicely finished minis and advertising are mutually exclusive things, anyhow. I actually think they're pretty synergistic/complementary. I mean, when I see a really nicely done model or diorama, I'm often inspired to buy and model one of my own; often, models I've passed on at launch, I've gone back and bought, when I've seen another hobbyist's interpretation of it.
To me, 40% of the reason I buy WD/Visions is to see photos of (and other information on) new releases and 40% of the reason I buy them is to see other hobbyists and studio painters' interpretations of the models. I really like the super-close zoom-in photos of detailed parts they do in White Dwarf on new releases. 20% is for other reasons, like game rules, fiction (short stories), or hobby how-tos. In the case of the latter, a lot of it does get repetitive or is better described in other media, in my opinion.
In a different era, battle reports were cool, but less so now, because there are an endless stream of battle reports that are free, if I want them. I mean, more than I have time to watch or listen to, and from a very broad variety in terms of faction, style of gameplay, etc. There are also things I think would be cool, like photos of events at WHW, for example, but I almost imagine that they'd be better on social media (for free) than in a magazine I pay for, unless there were some interesting editorial content.
I think going to monthly will help make some people happy, because the larger magazine can basically have something for everyone, whereas the weekly magazine is less likely to have something for everyone in every issue.
Also, to Jah's point: it's definitely super-cool to see your work or work of people you know featured in a magazine.
jah-joshua wrote: @Yodhrin: again, i am not talking value judgement...
i am only saying that there are plenty of features that are much more than "naked advertising" ...
you really do a disservice to the work of hobbyists that get showcased with statements like that...
Oh come off it, you know fine well I wasn't referring to hobby showcases with that comment, that's why there's a comma between "pretty pictures" and "naked advertising". If you're going to disagree with someone at least do them the courtesy of disagreeing with what they actually said, rather than whatever you imagine they've said.
i am not trying to defend the "usefulness" of any of the content, as that is a value judgement...
Of course it is, but since pretty much the only things we can form arguments around on this subject are either sales(which evidently have led GW to change approach, again) and personal opinions about the content, our only choices are to do that or to agree to disagree and stop discussing the subject, which is a bit pointless on a discussion forum.
i am simply saying that stating the mags are "just a catalogue" is false...
That's nice - who's said it was again? Because IIRC it wasn't me.
everyone i know who has had there minis featured have been stoked, and i think that is awesome...
having your work showcased in an industry mag is a big accomplishment for a lot of hobbyists, and dismissing it as simply "pretty pictures to look at" is really disrespectful to our fellows...
Horse manure. Stinking, reeking, ten-day-old horse manure. Implying my judgement of the value of a magazine is a judgement of the value of the work done by fellow hobbyists is just fething low, get a grip man.
i get that it is not worth it to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the weekly/monthly features showing off the work of hobbyists are there...
people complaining that the mags don't show anything other than minis to buy is patently false, and shows that the biggest complaints are from people who don't buy the mags, and thus don't know what they are talking about...
i was simply providing a list of features that are actual content...
whether you value that content or not is a whole different matter...
cheers
jah
Yeah, again, you seem to be arguing against an imaginary version of me that only exists in your head. How on earth do you read me wishing for more showcases of fan content in more detail as me not valuing fan content? My point was not that pretty pictures are bad, it's that I can get pretty pictures for free online and much more besides, so if GW want me to pay them money for pretty pictures I also want to read about the pretty pictures, how their contents came to be, what inspirations were used, how did they convert that interesting centerpiece etc.
You can pretend that's me gaking on fan content because it fits your preconceived argument if you like, but it's transparent and insulting.
@Yodhrin: whoa, man...
i wasn't attacking you, i was pointing out that we are talking about two different things, and looking at it from two different perspectives...
you responded to me, so i replied...
i wasn't having a go at some "imaginary version" of you, i was sharing my perspective...
thanks for getting so aggressive, though...
jeez...
i don't imply anything in my posts, i just state my perspective...
i have no wish to get into an internet knife fight with you...
this whole run started because i was pointing out the fact that there is actual content, nothing more...
my original response about being "just a catalogue" was to Davor and tvena82...
you decided to make it a discussion about the value of that content, when i was simply pointing out that it is there...
To be honest even if a magazine is just pretty pictures, there is a difference between getting them online and in person. The monetary barrier on an item isnt indicative of the items complete value. If I need a physical copy of art/pictures for any reason, having the white dwarf available is objectively cheaper with a higher quality for most people. Food for thought.
jah-joshua wrote: @Yodhrin: whoa, man...
i wasn't attacking you, i was pointing out that we are talking about two different things, and looking at it from two different perspectives...
you responded to me, so i replied...
i wasn't having a go at some "imaginary version" of you, i was sharing my perspective...
thanks for getting so aggressive, though...
jeez...
i don't imply anything in my posts, i just state my perspective...
i have no wish to get into an internet knife fight with you...
this whole run started because i was pointing out the fact that there is actual content, nothing more...
my original response about being "just a catalogue" was to Davor and tvena82...
you decided to make it a discussion about the value of that content, when i was simply pointing out that it is there...
cheers
jah
BS man, you made categorical statements about my intent, they're quoted right there, and they are not "like, just your opinion, man". Seeing as how you evidently managed to type out and post them without actually reading them, however, I'll quote them again:
you really do a disservice to the work of hobbyists that get showcased with statements like that...
having your work showcased in an industry mag is a big accomplishment for a lot of hobbyists, and dismissing it as simply "pretty pictures to look at" is really disrespectful to our fellows...
And if you're arguing against points raised by other people, address your arguments to those people ideally using the forum's quote feature to prevent any confusion.
I miss when they used to interview tournament winners and/or have tournament winners vs. GW staffers. It gave a great insight into how it's done at the top tables. I also really liked the fan made armies - not always the best painting, but hours and hours of love and attention into every conversion.
Finally, batreps with two competitive forces trying to win rather than forge the narrative. Overall, not too much to ask.
@Yodhrin: again, i wasn't making a statement about your intent personally...
i was just expressing what your post made me think, in general, about people not even acknowledging how cool it is that a lot of hobbyists get to see their work showcased in a nice glossy magazine...
i am sorry that my post read as an attack on you...
that was not my intention...
@Jah: Interaction with a supplier or industry is quite gratifying if they recognize their customers somehow.
It is an easy form of paying back to those who make their product look good: win-win.
Possibly GW may recognize that (again) and it may work well for them.
One can only hope.
It was easy for GW to have access to GT winners and Golden Demon winners when they ran tournaments. I doubt White Dwarf has the budget to fly reporters around to gather that kind of interviews and take army photoshoots now.
adamsouza wrote: It was easy for GW to have access to GT winners and Golden Demon winners when they ran tournaments. I doubt White Dwarf has the budget to fly reporters around to gather that kind of interviews and take army photoshoots now.
They do Golden Daemon at their Warhammer Fest shows, and they've been posting the images on https://golden-demon.com/
I want equality. Equal spread between 40k, hobbit, and AoS. It worked fine in the early 2000's. For the battle of five armies and desolation of smaug the hobbit didn't even get the front cover.
Da krimson barun wrote: I want equality. Equal spread between 40k, hobbit, and AoS. It worked fine in the early 2000's. For the battle of five armies and desolation of smaug the hobbit didn't even get the front cover.
Da krimson barun wrote: I want equality. Equal spread between 40k, hobbit, and AoS. It worked fine in the early 2000's. For the battle of five armies and desolation of smaug the hobbit didn't even get the front cover.
Well, according to the letter I received, my Visions subscription (which was for White Dwarf originally) is becoming a White Dwarf sub from September.
Good job GW.
Here's the annoying part....
They're increasing my subs to £15 per quarter.
Yet if I subscribe on the webpage, it would only be £12.50 before 14th August. I guess the extra £2.50 per quarter (or £10 per year) is the bonus GW charge for being a loyal customer.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Well, according to the letter I received, my Visions subscription (which was for White Dwarf originally) is becoming a White Dwarf sub from September.
Good job GW.
Here's the annoying part....
They're increasing my subs to £15 per quarter.
Yet if I subscribe on the webpage, it would only be £12.50 before 14th August. I guess the extra £2.50 per quarter (or £10 per year) is the bonus GW charge for being a loyal customer.
Time for yet another moan to GW.
I got that letter, but it also mentioned you get three free issues, so you effectively get the first year for £45 instead of £60/£50, so we're ok for a year at least.
Yodhrin wrote: And if you're arguing against points raised by other people, address your arguments to those people ideally using the forum's quote feature to prevent any confusion.
Guy doesn't even know how to use the shift key. I think expecting him to structure his posts using the quote function might be a bridge too far.
Regarding the painting guides, for a while GW was doing *really good* masterclass painting tutorials for LotR. They walked you through very carefully what needed to be done to achieve a high standard.
In addition to the "just paint it one colour, wash another, highlight another, done!" they actually showed good close ups and more detailed instructions. They weren't Golden Daemon winning results, but they were good enough to answer the important questions "Why don't my models look as good as the ones in the official pictures?" and also "how can I make my models look that good?"
They were really good tutorials and bridged the gap between the basic guides which will give you decent looking models but fall short of what you might have imagined in your head and actually reproducing work that might not be flawless, but is more artistic, more considered, requires more patience, etc.
I would love to see GW return to doing similar masterclass. I haven't got the latest FW masterclass book, but I found the older ones a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand they were awesome and showed awesome models, but occasionally they didn't explain the methodology with enough clarity and you could see from the images more things happened between steps than was actually described in the text.
Yodhrin wrote: And if you're arguing against points raised by other people, address your arguments to those people ideally using the forum's quote feature to prevent any confusion.
Guy doesn't even know how to use the shift key. I think expecting him to structure his posts using the quote function might be a bridge too far.
There should be a rule about using "@HBMC" instead of the quote feature. The quote feature is there for a reason, so people know what and who you are referring to with your own comments without having to flick back and find or guess at what points you are addressing. If you instead want to have a personal 1 on 1 convo then take it to PM's.
Yodhrin wrote: And if you're arguing against points raised by other people, address your arguments to those people ideally using the forum's quote feature to prevent any confusion.
Guy doesn't even know how to use the shift key. I think expecting him to structure his posts using the quote function might be a bridge too far.
as you can see, Mr. H.B.M.C., i can use the shift key, and the quote button just fine...
i am impressed that you managed to break Rule #1 and Rule #2 with a single line post, though...
well done
@Skink: sorry mate, i haven't got the multi-quote figured out on the iPad yet...
i do agree with you about the Masterclass articles, though...
it would be great to see them return to WD...
the 40K ones, like the converted AoBR Bad Moons Warboss, Kor'sarro Khan, Space Puppy with twin Lightning Claws, the Space Hulk breakdown from 2009, and the NMM Sanguinor were great reads...
the problem is, those were articles put together by 'Eavy Metal painters...
Paint Splatter is clearly put together by the WD Staffers...
i'm not sure that the execs want to have an 'EM painter take the time away from the churn and burn painting schedule to put together such indepth articles anymore...
it would be awesome to see 'Eavy Metal Masterclass return!!!
That's nice - who's said it was again? Because IIRC it wasn't me.
That was me
For must of its run it was lots of articles sprinkled with advertising while the last few years of its monthly run was advertising sprinkled with some articles.
Both Games Workshop and Titan Comics will provide marketing support for the launch of Titan’s Warhammer 40,000 comic debuting on October 12 (see “Exclusive! 'Warhammer 40K' Comic Creative Team, Covers, Release Date”).
A special #0 issue will be produced for October’s edition of Games Workshop’s White Dwarf magazine. The 32-page preview comic will include an original 10-page strip by the comic’s creative team, as well as a ‘making of’ feature. The launch will also be supported by posts on the Official Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page, The Games Workshop: Warhammer World Facebook page, and Games Workshop’s official blog and newsletter.
A feature on Warhammer 40,000 #1 will appear in Titan’s July - December 2016 32-page preview sampler, which will be given to retailers at Diamond’s SDCC retailer lunch presentation, distributed to comic stores in late July, and distributed at the Diamond Retailer Summit in Baltimore in late August. The #0 comic will also be handed out to retailers at the Summit. Titan is also setting up a mass interview program for comic writer George Mann with comics, sci-fi, gaming, genre/cult and entertainment media.
Variants will include store variants for issue #1.
The publisher has also planned activity at key conventions to support the launch, including San Diego Comic-Con and New York Comic Con.
No. But again it's difference of SCALE.
You do know there's difference between WD having 40% ad's, 60% hobby content to 100% ads, 0% hobby content?
Nobody is expecting WD with zero ads. But there's still difference between "ads" and "all ads".
Heck even the old catalogue pages were more useful and inspiring than the current ads as it gave some ideas for conversions. These days it's "buy and assemble as instructed" mentality.
I haven't been buying WD weekly, since.... well I may have bought the first one, but even then I can't remember properly. Wasn't interested in the gutted-for-content weekly format. Recently I picked up a pile of them for two bucks each (they cost $6 here) from a game store in town on clearance - pretty much for the photos because I enjoy printed material that I can browse away from a screen. I also bought the two ones that came out with WHQ for full price. They have new rules in them, they have some conversion examples - one of which I'm keen to steal (gak! I got inspired to do something by WDW???). It's not what WD "should" be in my opinion, but even I have to admit that it's not 100% ads and 0% hobby content.
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partisan_nick wrote: I guess I am in the small minority that will really miss Visions. It was perfect for me nowadays since I still love (most of) GW:s estetics and oogling great painted minis for inspiration.
But I have not played one of the GW big games for years (though I like the new box games and play lots of Epic Armageddon).
I find I actually like the less (no) content and more pictures (!)...
But I guess I'll save a bit of money if Visions becomes a quarterly instead. And I'll buy the odd WD for expansions to the board games and maybe for the really fun releases.
My WD sub converted over to Visions. Sadly, Visions was the gakky A5 format through my sub until it expired, and I never looked back. When I was in town and picked up those $2 WDs, I found that it had converted to a larger magazine format, and improved in internal quality no end. I'd have started buying it again if I'd known, as I also like the format of a painted-model magazine - it just needed to be better quality than it was at inception.
Informations regarding the new formate of the WD - via AdHocGames, TGA Community, via his GW trade reps
"Just gotten off the phone with my rep, not much AoS to report on but i did get some information about the new White Dwarf launching in september. As you probably all know it's going back to monthly publication BUT the release schedule is remaining a weekly one. New releases will be announced first via social media, White Dwarf itself will be looking back on the past months releases, talking about the hobby etc. The goal is to move it away from just being an advertisement, and instead a must buy for hobbyists again.
I also found out what the free gift with the first issue is. Alas i cannot say, i've been sworn to secrecy. I can confirm though that it's a miniature, and it will be for AoS. If you were to look at items priced £18, you'd get a clearer idea of what to expect."
Khorne Bloodbound
Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrathhammer
Slaughterpriest
Aspiring Deathbringer with Goreaxe and Skullhammer
Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear
Skullgrinder
Skarr Bloodwrath
Stormcast Eternals
Knight-Vexillor
There's a few other relic things(boxes for the most part), but the 18GBP price point is hero blisters.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Grombrindal make an appearance if I'm gonna be honest.
Informations regarding the new formate of the WD - via AdHocGames, TGA Community, via his GW trade reps
"Just gotten off the phone with my rep, not much AoS to report on but i did get some information about the new White Dwarf launching in september. As you probably all know it's going back to monthly publication BUT the release schedule is remaining a weekly one. New releases will be announced first via social media, White Dwarf itself will be looking back on the past months releases, talking about the hobby etc. The goal is to move it away from just being an advertisement, and instead a must buy for hobbyists again.
I also found out what the free gift with the first issue is. Alas i cannot say, i've been sworn to secrecy. I can confirm though that it's a miniature, and it will be for AoS. If you were to look at items priced £18, you'd get a clearer idea of what to expect."
That sounds very promising, the idea that they are seperating white dwarf from the release schedule is very heartening. In fact it's probably the best news surrounding white dwarf there could be. It completely disconnects the magazine from being an advertising vehicle, and will hopefully mean it becomes more of a well magazine.
It of course remains to be seen wether they achieve this. But I have high hopes, fingers crossed they get a good team of writers and editors in.
Yodhrin wrote:One step forward, two steps back. GW - Almost.
Do you have to post a negative reply to every GW thread going? Are you that bitter now?
Informations regarding the new formate of the WD - via AdHocGames, TGA Community, via his GW trade reps
Well apart from the free gift that's useless for me sounds promising. Might start buying WD's again...IF they can be found on non-game stores like they could be found pre-weekly WD!
I'd rather it be a preview of what's coming than a reguritation of items released the previous month or so.
And they really need to double-down on the non-advertisement stuff - things like new missions for Silver Tower, mini-games utilizing your model collection, a scratch-build section and the like.
Y'know, kinda like the old White Dwarf before they butchered it.
I'd rather it be a preview of what's coming than a reguritation of items released the previous month or so.
And they really need to double-down on the non-advertisement stuff - things like new missions for Silver Tower, mini-games utilizing your model collection, a scratch-build section and the like.
Y'know, kinda like the old White Dwarf before they butchered it.
The sky isn't falling yet, so let's not rush to conclusions Chicken Little. No offense. Let's wait till we see the first issue, and go from there. Or alternatively, try expressing your wishes on their facebook pages. Not only do they seem to listen, they respond to a lot of direct questions.
Informations regarding the new formate of the WD - via AdHocGames, TGA Community, via his GW trade reps
"Just gotten off the phone with my rep, not much AoS to report on but i did get some information about the new White Dwarf launching in september. As you probably all know it's going back to monthly publication BUT the release schedule is remaining a weekly one. New releases will be announced first via social media, White Dwarf itself will be looking back on the past months releases, talking about the hobby etc. The goal is to move it away from just being an advertisement, and instead a must buy for hobbyists again.
I also found out what the free gift with the first issue is. Alas i cannot say, i've been sworn to secrecy. I can confirm though that it's a miniature, and it will be for AoS. If you were to look at items priced £18, you'd get a clearer idea of what to expect."
Though I agree that their policy on secrecy is ridiculous, this is bloody fantastic news. I stopped buying WD years ago because I was fed up with paying for a monthly catalogue. Its why I switched to magazines with actual hobby content like Wargames Illustrated.
Let's hope they go back to the early 2000s on how White Dwarf was. While I will not buy a subscription no more, I might just restart collecting WD again if it's worth it. We are going to get a $36 Canadian mini in the first monthly issue of White Dwarf?
Davor wrote: Let's hope they go back to the early 2000s on how White Dwarf was. While I will not buy a subscription no more, I might just restart collecting WD again if it's worth it. We are going to get a $36 Canadian mini in the first monthly issue of White Dwarf?
Yeah, too bad it is probably just a Sigmarine. I hope they regularly include stuff though. The first two issues are already confirmed as having stuff included with them, so perhaps it will be a regular occurrence.
I'd rather it be a preview of what's coming than a reguritation of items released the previous month or so.
And they really need to double-down on the non-advertisement stuff - things like new missions for Silver Tower, mini-games utilizing your model collection, a scratch-build section and the like.
Y'know, kinda like the old White Dwarf before they butchered it.
The sky isn't falling yet, so let's not rush to conclusions Chicken Little. No offense. Let's wait till we see the first issue, and go from there. Or alternatively, try expressing your wishes on their facebook pages. Not only do they seem to listen, they respond to a lot of direct questions.
I must be losing my mind. I could have sworn there was a post in this thread earlier copied from the facebook page explaining what they were shooting for in the magazine, and it wasn't what I hoped for. Can't find it now.
i have a feeling that this first issue is going to go fast, especially with a free mini...
anyone who wants one, be sure to reserve a copy from your store...
a lot of people where really bummed about how quickly the free Stormcast model issue went, and that wasn't even a fancy mini...
i look forward to seeing what the first few issues look like...
i have been doing digital only, for the most part, for the last few years...
free minis are definitely worth getting a hard copy instead, though...
if they only include a free bonus with the first couple of issues, i ill happily go back to digital...
it is so nice to have every issue since the introduction in Nov. 2013 (?) conveniently contained in my iPad...
so much better than trying to lug heavy boxes around every time i move
Do you have to post a negative reply to every GW thread going? Are you that bitter now?
If you don't like what I have to say, use the ignore feature. Like I'm about to, since I'm as tired of seeing certain folk moan every time someone has a different opinion as you apparently are of seeing different opinions.
I think it's more about having a substantive comment to make rather than a snarky single sentence. While I'm used to decades of WD being a monthly catalogue to sell their newest releases, I've got no problem with it being a more substantial hobby magazine that's less focused on pushing the newest releases. Though I can't see it really ever not being that, I'll be happy to see if they try.
Do you have to post a negative reply to every GW thread going? Are you that bitter now?
If you don't like what I have to say, use the ignore feature. Like I'm about to, since I'm as tired of seeing certain folk moan every time someone has a different opinion as you apparently are of seeing different opinions.
But what steps back they did then?
Let's see. Less ads of new products, more of hobby content. Can't be bad can it? Ads are more suited to net anyway rather than magazine.
~18£ freebie gift? Gee. That's step backward? It's 100% useless for me but even I wouldn't call that a step back! It's not like you are paying for it so at worst you can throw it in garbage bin and you aren't any worse off than you would have been. Not like WD's have been packing with free minis so having one for game you don't play is hardly a "step back".
Not much step backs to be seen...Unless new articles are bad but nothing whatsoever in the info suggested they are bad. Nothing suggests they are good either. We don't know what they are going to be like until new WD hits the shelves! And even then it takes some time to see whether it was one time case of being good/bad or is it a trend.
We know so little that it's pretty much impossible to say is it going to be good or bad. Could be either. But less ads, more hobby content goal is at least good one according to quite a few. You want more ads, less hobby content? Guess that would explain step backs...
I posted about this in the Khârn thread, because I had that still open from last night and missed he migration here, but: How DOES one reserve a copy of WD short of a subscription? Especially now that afaik the deals on subs are long expired. The hobby shop in my GF?s town sold out on the Liberator issue in minutes and she's out of town, anyway. I know a few shops at train stations selling WD OR Visions, but not both, so I don't know if they'll carry new WD. And I don't think you can preorder in such stores.
There's a GW about an hour away, but in September taking the train there is costly (my uni ticket expires at the end of August).
The problem with a free AoS mini is that it's constantly rammed down your throat mockingly saying we destroyed everything you loved about warhammer.
They have turned it into this bland amorphous soulless thing, unless the mini is something like the White Dwarf, though I suspect he will be called the Smokey Duradin or something, ill pass.
migooo wrote: The problem with a free AoS mini is that it's constantly rammed down your throat mockingly saying we destroyed everything you loved about warhammer.
They have turned it into this bland amorphous soulless thing, unless the mini is something like the White Dwarf, though I suspect he will be called the Smokey Duradin or something, ill pass.
No, you're reading all of that into it. Especially the mockingly, etc. Nothing's being rammed down your throat. It's simply that GW has moved on from WHFB and you're hurt and angry about it.
While it's clear that you're mostly just angry about AoS, I'll reply anyway. My opinion is much more pragmatic. I've bought a ton of AoS stuff to date, though I have no interest in their (to me) silly AoS background. If I were a recent player of WHFB, I'd have decided to continue playing 8th (or 5th, or 3rd), moved to either 9th Age or KoW by now. Or even all of them, since they're almost entirely cross-compatible.
Since I binned WHFB back in 5th because HeroHammer holds no interest for me, I play KoW, but I "use" the WHFB background for my games and models (except when I'm using LotR armies, or Historical mash-ups, etc) because, like yourself, I hold an emotional attachment to the WHFB world and background, as well as appreciate the 30 years of layering involved. But... I've bought quite a lot of "AoS" models. And I do intend to play the game a little once the General's Handbook comes out. I'll use the models across both KoW for my "large block fantasy battle" games, and also in AoS using the original WHFB background for my games, with a few tweaks like I always have.
I'll use Fyreslayers as a sub-cult of Dwarven Slayers (in my KoW army based on WHFB fluff). I'll include the Orruk Brutes alongside the (KoW) Orc army, by using them with the Ogre army rules as particularly great big fething orcs. I'll use the contents of my multiple "Start Collecting: Seraphon" boxes using the KoW Salamander rules, and use them as Lizardmen instead of Lizard Space Angels because WTFLOLBBQ. Khorne guys will be Khorne guys. I'll work out something for Sigmarines that fits and works for me. Maybe they can even be Sigmarines, but as a faction making incursions into The Old World rather than the actual AoS background.
All of this will pretty much only be in my own head, or in stories when I "forge the narrative" with my actual friends and such, so whatever GW does with the background, I'll happily feel free to ignore and continue to do so except when they come up with something that actually takes my fancy. I've still got all my WHFB books (kept for fluff) and all my WHFRP stuff. I've got my 3rd edition rulebook, my Slaves to Darkness and my Lost and the Damned. No-one took them away from me when they End Times-ed The Old World, so I'll continue to take what I like and ignore the rest...
So yeah, I'll happily take the free White Dwarf miniature. You can feel free to send me yours as well if you like.
Likewise, I will take the burden of accepting any free miniatures anyone feels are being rammed down their orifices. Do feel free to send free miniatures to me instead of enduring the suffering.
migooo wrote: The problem with a free AoS mini is that it's constantly rammed down your throat mockingly saying we destroyed everything you loved about warhammer.
They have turned it into this bland amorphous soulless thing, unless the mini is something like the White Dwarf, though I suspect he will be called the Smokey Duradin or something, ill pass.
No, you're reading all of that into it. Especially the mockingly, etc. Nothing's being rammed down your throat. It's simply that GW has moved on from WHFB and you're hurt and angry about it.
While it's clear that you're mostly just angry about AoS, I'll reply anyway. My opinion is much more pragmatic. I've bought a ton of AoS stuff to date, though I have no interest in their (to me) silly AoS background. If I were a recent player of WHFB, I'd have decided to continue playing 8th (or 5th, or 3rd), moved to either 9th Age or KoW by now. Or even all of them, since they're almost entirely cross-compatible.
Since I binned WHFB back in 5th because HeroHammer holds no interest for me, I play KoW, but I "use" the WHFB background for my games and models (except when I'm using LotR armies, or Historical mash-ups, etc) because, like yourself, I hold an emotional attachment to the WHFB world and background, as well as appreciate the 30 years of layering involved. But... I've bought quite a lot of "AoS" models. And I do intend to play the game a little once the General's Handbook comes out. I'll use the models across both KoW for my "large block fantasy battle" games, and also in AoS using the original WHFB background for my games, with a few tweaks like I always have.
I'll use Fyreslayers as a sub-cult of Dwarven Slayers (in my KoW army based on WHFB fluff). I'll include the Orruk Brutes alongside the (KoW) Orc army, by using them with the Ogre army rules as particularly great big fething orcs. I'll use the contents of my multiple "Start Collecting: Seraphon" boxes using the KoW Salamander rules, and use them as Lizardmen instead of Lizard Space Angels because WTFLOLBBQ. Khorne guys will be Khorne guys. I'll work out something for Sigmarines that fits and works for me. Maybe they can even be Sigmarines, but as a faction making incursions into The Old World rather than the actual AoS background.
All of this will pretty much only be in my own head, or in stories when I "forge the narrative" with my actual friends and such, so whatever GW does with the background, I'll happily feel free to ignore and continue to do so except when they come up with something that actually takes my fancy. I've still got all my WHFB books (kept for fluff) and all my WHFRP stuff. I've got my 3rd edition rulebook, my Slaves to Darkness and my Lost and the Damned. No-one took them away from me when they End Times-ed The Old World, so I'll continue to take what I like and ignore the rest...
So yeah, I'll happily take the free White Dwarf miniature. You can feel free to send me yours as well if you like.
I agree, I use 9th age and modhiem for my fantasy games. I've stayed with second ed 40k since third.
However. If they reset 40k and changed say for example space marines into misshapen mutants that serve Calgar as a new god. Nuke Khorne because he's too angry. Turn the eldar into a fascist oppressive regime that suppresses humanity. Kill off orks, and Tyranids and release little pages for them but removing the minatures. It's not the same is it?
I bought the tzangors. That's it. I probably won't buy the WD. I won't support a game that feels shoehorned in just to make Sigmarines.
Azazelx wrote: I think it's more about having a substantive comment to make rather than a snarky single sentence. While I'm used to decades of WD being a monthly catalogue to sell their newest releases, I've got no problem with it being a more substantial hobby magazine that's less focused on pushing the newest releases. Though I can't see it really ever not being that, I'll be happy to see if they try.
I'll be paying for my subscription next week.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
If it is the helmeted Slaughterpriest as per Chikout's post on that other thread that's a lovely model, and easily convertable for me. Subscription just paid for itself!
Do you have to post a negative reply to every GW thread going? Are you that bitter now?
If you don't like what I have to say, use the ignore feature. Like I'm about to, since I'm as tired of seeing certain folk moan every time someone has a different opinion as you apparently are of seeing different opinions.
As others have said, back up your comments with an actual opinion and maybe we can actually discuss it. Why do you feel a move away from advertising, and a move towards a more hobby centric magazine is a step back?
Or maybe you *are* just posting negativity for the sake of it...
JohnnyHell wrote: If it is the helmeted Slaughterpriest as per Chikout's post on that other thread that's a lovely model, and easily convertable for me. Subscription just paid for itself!
That would be surprising since that is also the leader included in the KBBSC box
Uriels_Flame wrote: I would just assume they give us a credit to buy the mini we want.
You may have meant "I would just as soon they give us a credit". That works and it sounds similar. =) I don't see it happening, but yeah, that would be great!
I suspect it's not going to have any more hobby content from going monthly,
more likely it will retain the hobby content of the weekly version,
and swap the 'ooh cool new stuff that some haven't seen leaked online' for visions 'ooh cool stuff painted all fancy and nice with some emphasis on the previous months releases'
By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
Azazelx wrote: I think it's more about having a substantive comment to make rather than a snarky single sentence. While I'm used to decades of WD being a monthly catalogue to sell their newest releases, I've got no problem with it being a more substantial hobby magazine that's less focused on pushing the newest releases. Though I can't see it really ever not being that, I'll be happy to see if they try.
I'll be paying for my subscription next week.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
please tell me this site is not going down the censor pole that bols and warseer is
Brother SRM wrote: By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
And cutting down on the "leaks" will just kill the excitement for future products. This still mind boggles me why GW would not want to share what they are working on. Again two steps forward, one step back. I still find GW petty when it comes to this.
That said, at least the two steps forward GW is doing really good right now. Well for GW standards that is.
Brother SRM wrote: By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
And cutting down on the "leaks" will just kill the excitement for future products. This still mind boggles me why GW would not want to share what they are working on. Again two steps forward, one step back. I still find GW petty when it comes to this.
That said, at least the two steps forward GW is doing really good right now. Well for GW standards that is.
Funny how there was even more leaks and further in advance than week before WD went weekly...Yeah WD needs to be weekly to have leaks yes it does! NOT!
Week early leak isn't much of excitement anyway. Better source of excitement comes from guys like Sad Panda, hastings etc who gives out ideas MONTHS ahead. That does not require weekly wd.
Here is my two cents. White Dwarf Weekly was a disaster. The desicion to make white dwarf a weekly magazine was to support the new weekly release schedule for gw. A weekly release schedule is a good idea. It gets customers into stores and onto the website every week. It drives engagement in the brand.
White dwarf weekly was designed as a promotional tool to support this. The reality has been the opposite. Every single white dwarf weekly has leaked early on sites like this one.
Any Gw fan with any Internet savvy ( which is everyone these days) can see the new releases here without needing to visit a store, the website or buy the magazine.
Fan websites are not moderated by Gw, are often visited former fans or fans of rival companies. The reaction to new models is always mixed at best. However accurate the reactions may be, the message is outside of gw's control. If people are not interested in a release they will not visit the official website or store at all.
With the leaked new release pictures often taking up half the magazine, there is very little reason left to buy it. Paint splatter is for babies. ( to paint a blood angel red, use some red paint etc etc). There are rarely any actual articles at all.
So now we come to the new monthly white dwarf. The benefits of a long format magazine are obvious. Long format articles, battle reports etc.
The most interesting choice is the decision to make the magazine a review of the previous month instead of a preview.
I personally think this is a genius idea for the following reasons.
1- gw will be able to react to leaks. Before with white dwarf being a promotional website, if gw put high res photos out early it would directly impact sales of the magazine. Now with promotion being done primarily on line it allows Gw to be much more nimble.
2- They can control the message. Pictures of new minis will first appear on the Gw Facebook pages or the official website.They will be high quality, rather than the potato phone stuff we see now.These places are carefully moderated largely positive areas of the Internet. It will good first experience for potential new comers to the hobby.
3 - it allows the magazine to be a hobby magazine, perhaps moreso than at any time in its history.
4- it frees gw to do promotion far in advance of releases in much the way that forgeworld does now. We have already seen the start of this with gorechosen and lost patrol.
Of course gw could completely mess it up and produce a terrible magazine but I think there is considerable cause for optimism.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
I think you're being unrealistic in terms of what's asked and unfair to the mods there. I'm personally far from a "sweetness and light" poster, and I very, very rarely get asked to tone it down. The secret is to be rational, substantial - and ideally - give credit where it's due. Regardless of the company or topic in question. Walking into a thread only to drop a snarkpost and then leave is a waste of your time as well as everyone else's and only serves to brand yourself as a bitter troll because it's essentially textbook troll behaviour - which I'm sure is far from your own self-opinion or rationale.
Look at Chikout's post just above this one about WDW. It's critical and far from sweetness and light, but also has something substantive to say and is fair and rational.
more likely it will retain the hobby content of the weekly version,
and swap the 'ooh cool new stuff that some haven't seen leaked online' for visions 'ooh cool stuff painted all fancy and nice with some emphasis on the previous months releases'
It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
Yeah. Apart from still silly prices on individual boxes(boxed sets are good deals though) they have been improving a lot lately. Guess new direction(and guys) new CEO brought in did have some effect!
Funny how there was even more leaks and further in advance than week before WD went weekly...Yeah WD needs to be weekly to have leaks yes it does! NOT!
Week early leak isn't much of excitement anyway. Better source of excitement comes from guys like Sad Panda, hastings etc who gives out ideas MONTHS ahead. That does not require weekly wd.
For those who remember, one of the reasons often cited here for them shutting down previews and "leaks" was because of the then-imminent Hobbit films, and some NDA with New Line Cinema and their licence terms. Obviously, that's a long-gone factor of the past now, and FW has continued to build excitement with previews while somehow maintaining lots of goodwill despite being in the same bloody building as GW "proper". I'd be hopeful that Lost Patrol, the Khorne Boardgame and the General's Handbook - not to mention Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus, etc (yes, I know - FW) having such long preview times are indicative of a changing culture at GW.
It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
Yeah. Apart from still silly prices on individual boxes(boxed sets are good deals though) they have been improving a lot lately. Guess new direction(and guys) new CEO brought in did have some effect!
It's probably worth pointing out that Aussie prices are still insanoballs, so almost all of what I buy I import from overseas.
Sadly, the "single free" mini only serves to remind me how overpriced their character minis are these days. ( And it's not likely that you could build a cost-efficient squad by buying multiple copies of the WD, so the term "free" is misleading anyways.)
I'd always thought the reason behind the secrecy at GW was fallout from the days when a replacement for one of the existing codexes would be announced and they saw a dramatic dip in purchases for the associated minis (and existing books) - until after the new codex dropped.
Azazelx wrote: For those who remember, one of the reasons often cited here for them shutting down previews and "leaks" was because of the then-imminent Hobbit films, and some NDA with New Line Cinema and their licence terms. Obviously, that's a long-gone factor of the past now, and FW has continued to build excitement with previews while somehow maintaining lots of goodwill despite being in the same bloody building as GW "proper". I'd be hopeful that Lost Patrol, the Khorne Boardgame and the General's Handbook - not to mention Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus, etc (yes, I know - FW) having such long preview times are indicative of a changing culture at GW.
Didn't know that but makes sense. NLC did want to control leaks quite a bit even when LOTR was released.
I just reread couple old WD's from '90's and there were also previews of stuff to come ahead of time. Ah good times.
(also mentions of preorder system that looked like one where you could get models sooner than they were officially in stores? Not sure since I didn't buy anywhere but finnish store back then)
It's probably worth pointing out that Aussie prices are still insanoballs, so almost all of what I buy I import from overseas.
Well cross-currency prices are always off though Aussie prices are even more ridiculously off than most.
Guess I'm lucky in that I can order from UK post free(and wider variety of models and auxiliary stuff than from finnish stores to boot. From local stores good luck combining vallejo/citadel air and miniatures. If it's possible prepare for weeks waiting...)
I agree, I use 9th age and modhiem for my fantasy games. I've stayed with second ed 40k since third.
However. If they reset 40k and changed say for example space marines into misshapen mutants that serve Calgar as a new god. Nuke Khorne because he's too angry. Turn the eldar into a fascist oppressive regime that suppresses humanity. Kill off orks, and Tyranids and release little pages for them but removing the minatures. It's not the same is it?
I bought the tzangors. That's it. I probably won't buy the WD. I won't support a game that feels shoehorned in just to make Sigmarines.
I'd just do what I did with WHFB when it became HeroHammer - long before it became AoS.
Continue to take what I want from the lore and buy the models that look good enough to justify the monies spent, and use the stuff I like that I already own or even an alternate ruleset. I've been a 40k guy since Rogue Trader, and these days the rules are such a clusterfeth that I can't get back into the game. I'm hoping hard for some kind of hard rules reset since it seems that Warpath has gone down the rules fail road instead. Still, I'm buying, painting and modelling, and when I get playing again it looks like it'll be a slightly customised 5th edition unless 40k8 comes in like the chosen one and fixes the godawful mess that the rules currently are in. There's no obligation to support or even like AoS or Sigmarines. To me the issues around posting are entirely about respect for those who enjoy things that I might not. Not going out of my way to piss on other people's parades with one-liners or posts made purely of bile while still discussing my opinions in a rational way.
At the same time. I am bloody annoyed that they discontinued the TK and Bretonnian lines before I could buy everything I want - but they didn't take my existing models, and there's still rules for using them in WHFB 8, 9th Age, KoW and even AoS. And Perry Miniatures and Wargods of Aegyptus are both very much things that exist, not to mention Mantic's Empire of Dust. My Squats from RT have Forge Fathers to hang with these days, and any number of Scrunts if I could get past Bob Olley's style...
FWIW, I do like the Sigmarine models, though I think a lot of the AoS background is pants-on-head silly. I haven't yet figured out how I'll work them into my own games, in terms of background. Perhaps as some kind of Seraphim force, possibly still based around Sigmar. Probably using Ogre or Basiliean (or both) rules in KoW, and set in The Old World. Or my version of it.
I've got ideas for my Fyreslayers to make them generally less (imo) silly as well, though I need to do some modelling tests to see if I can pull it off before I say anything more specific. I'll probably use the WQ:ST model as the guinea pig.
Stormonu wrote: Sadly, the "single free" mini only serves to remind me how overpriced their character minis are these days. ( And it's not likely that you could build a cost-efficient squad by buying multiple copies of the WD, so the term "free" is misleading anyways.)
You're right, that is pretty sad. You've got to be pretty jaded to look at a model giveaway and say that it just reminds you how expensive the rest of it is, and you'd need to buy more stuff to use it in a game anyway. Kind of thing someone's Dad would say.
On the whole people get into warhammer for the models, I think, so giving away a model with a magazine is a pretty cool move that a lot of people are going to get a kick out of. When they did the stormcast cover mount for WDW it sold like crazy. They used to do it more often when I was a kid, if I recall, although I don't know exactly how often - just remember it happening a few times
A new series of Warhammer 40,000 comics is on the way.
What we've seen of the first story, Will of Iron, is looking great. If you're a White Dwarf subscriber, you'll be getting the first look, with an exclusive 'Issue #0' included in a future issue.
https://www.games-workshop.com/White-Dwarf-12-Month-Sub-201… Speak to your local comic shop about stocking the new series.
angelofvengeance wrote: When exactly was the last time GW had more than one mini as a cover mount?
I believe that was with AoBR (Terminator and Ork Nob) or 7th ed. Warhammer (Dwarf Warrior and Night Goblin Spearman). There were also 2 tiles give away free shortly after Mighty Empires was released as well.
An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
Chikout wrote: An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
Do we *know* it's a slaughter priest? I thought that was just speculation at this point.
Chikout wrote: An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
