first i've heard of a new Kharn...
that would be awesome!!!
really excited for a 28mm Brother Artemis, and to see what they do for the rest of the Deathwatch...
the arms in Overkill finally have the elbow guard, and the slightly bulkier arms look really good the extra mags and kit jumped out at me as soon as i cracked open the box...
can't wait to see this new White Dwarf format, especially with this rumer of Kharn, Chaos Marines and Deathwatch featured...
this is good news!!!
Also, I wonder if the Kharn clampack is going to be the teasered cover mount of the September WD issue. Being the 'best cover mount ever' according to GW.
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If it gives me new formations and ways to play my CSM differently I will be happy
Also some new psychic powers ...
Honestly it's the best we have 'till 8th hits - we wanna use these Chaos Marines for the last days of Humanity
Yea I have to agree a 50-70 dollar campaign book is not what I was hoping for when the chaos codex still looks like its from 5th edition.
Formations don't fix already bad units.
I'm skeptic. If true then GW really doesn't know what to do with their game.
edit: why deathwatch getting their own book? Isn't their whole shtick them being a small diverse squad of a couple guys fighting their way through a kill-team-esque scenario? Why would there be that many of them on the battlefield? It would be like if they sent the local precint of Adeptus Arbites to fight a tyrannid swarm coming their way. More marines = more money I guess.
Don Savik wrote: Yea I have to agree a 50-70 dollar campaign book is not what I was hoping for when the chaos codex still looks like its from 5th edition.
Formations don't fix already bad units. .
Don't expect any new codexes 'till 8th ed.
And formations did make loyalist foot slogging PA guys worth wielding...You just need heck of a formation bonus.
The Wrathmongers are actually alright if you model them a wee bit differently, but Skarr is just a terrible model lol. Skarr is at best, a good start to making a beefy Beastlord for your beastmen.
Huron black heart wrote: I'd love a new Kharn model, considering I never got round to buying the original. And new formations are hopefully not in place of a new codex
Let's see, probably just a Formation of Formations instead of a proper Detachment, and the Command Benefit will be Hatred (Chaos Space Marine players).
I'm actually excited about that Campaign-Book and i don't share the bitterness that is clearly prevalent about that. And new psychic Powers? Let's hope Tzeentch, the God of magic will have actual 'Magic'.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Let's see, probably just a Formation of Formations instead of a proper Detachment, and the Command Benefit will be Hatred (Chaos Space Marine players).
Nightlord1987 wrote: Let's see, probably just a Formation of Formations instead of a proper Detachment, and the Command Benefit will be Hatred (Chaos Space Marine players).
A 'formation of formations' is a detachment, not a formation (e.g., the Decurion is a detachment).
To be fair, Atia is equally as spot on rumours wise.
Yeeeeeeah. But some insights for things to come would be nice.
For this point - I am confused about this new plastic Heresy box (does this about Prospero?) and if it's so - does it connected with Forge world release. And does it connected with autumn release of Fenris campaing?
Because there is a serious gap - Fenris - Autumn, 7th book Inferno - probably next February weekender.
All of this is somehow connected (or doesn't) by Tzeench but reeeeeally stretched in time.
Not to mention all these rumors about 8th edition which states that "No real codex release before it" - and 8th edition is something for next autumn.
casvalremdeikun wrote: So wait, is this Campaign Book the cover mount? As in, two clampack characters and a book?
I highly doubt there'll be 2 £20ish characters and a book free with a £6 magazine.
They did say it would be their best cover ever. Including even one character and a book would be a pretty good representation of that fact. At any rate, I am looking forward to the DW book and another character. Hopefully we will get a DW kill team detachment.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I wonder if the super special cover mount will be for 40K or AOS. I doubt it will be something usable by both. I really hope it is 40K.
The more I think about it, the less I think it will be the Chaos Campaign or Deathwatch.
Nightlord1987 wrote: Let's see, probably just a Formation of Formations instead of a proper Detachment, and the Command Benefit will be Hatred (Chaos Space Marine players).
A 'formation of formations' is a detachment, not a formation (e.g., the Decurion is a detachment).
Nope, Nightlord is referring to the steaming heap of dung that the Crimson Slaughter "update" gave us; a formation which was in turn made up of 1 of every single individual formation within the codex.
It's exactly the same thing as the Carnival of Pain formation from the Covens codex; it's still listed specifically as a formation - not a detachment, (so thus, no detachment bonuses), yet it is made up of 1x each individual formations from the codex.
That's about the level of effort CSM's players have come to accept is all we're going to get from GW.
What's even more laughable, is that we have confirmation about a new special character model coming, (and yet another Khornate model, because we surely don't have enough Khorne themed releases yet!), and meanwhile, we still don't have basic plastic heavy weapons outside of a gakky looking heavy bolter.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I wonder if the super special cover mount will be for 40K or AOS. I doubt it will be something usable by both. I really hope it is 40K.
The more I think about it, the less I think it will be the Chaos Campaign or Deathwatch.
Perhaps its the White Duardin in chibi style with stormcast armour.
Disclaimer: Im not trying to spread GW/AoS hate just find the name of the Magazine awkvard these days. I actually like AoS.
Haven't seen the rules. Haven't seen the sprues unpainted. But I could swear Deathwatch will get access to some xenos gear. That sure looks like an green, ominously glowing Necron-style sword that one guy has.
Also a Captain/Master of the Watch (?) HQ type in a pose similar to new-Ulrik.
Sad Panda wrote: Haven't seen the rules. Haven't seen the sprues unpainted. But I could swear Deathwatch will get access to some xenos gear. That sure looks like an green, ominously glowing Necron-style sword that one guy has.
Also a Captain/Master of the Watch (?) HQ type in a pose similar to new-Ulrik.
Oh, there will be more stuff than Artemis and the flyer?
Sad Panda wrote: Haven't seen the rules. Haven't seen the sprues unpainted. But I could swear Deathwatch will get access to some xenos gear. That sure looks like an green, ominously glowing Necron-style sword that one guy has.
Also a Captain/Master of the Watch (?) HQ type in a pose similar to new-Ulrik.
Oh, there will be more stuff than Artemis and the flyer?
Thanks for the infos!
Sad Panda had said something like three boxes; one of which was the flyer, and some blisters. He compared it to the Harlequins way back.
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Sad Panda wrote: Haven't seen the rules. Haven't seen the sprues unpainted. But I could swear Deathwatch will get access to some xenos gear. That sure looks like an green, ominously glowing Necron-style sword that one guy has.
Also a Captain/Master of the Watch (?) HQ type in a pose similar to new-Ulrik.
Yeah if there's an issue with Demons/Chaos or a bog standard rebellion I don't think the Ordo Xenos say "sorry not my department mate" and ignore it. Likewise with the other two main ordos and there affiliated forces.
It was said that they were going to phase out Finecast. Now, between Eldrad and Khârn, we have evidence of that. I wonder who else we will be seeing soon?
casvalremdeikun wrote: It was said that they were going to phase out Finecast. Now, between Eldrad and Khârn, we have evidence of that. I wonder who else we will be seeing soon?
If that's true, I may have to finally buy the rest of the Necron HQs. I freaking hate working with finecast.
These are not the same, but there are some similiarities release-wise...
The Eye of Terror army lists and new miniature releases in 2003 were
- Wulfen (metal squad) (metal Runepriest)
- Ulthwe (metal Warlock Council) (metal Hvy Support weapon) (Storm Guardians upgrade pack)
- Cadia (metal Creed afaik)
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
Looks like GW is updating some of these miniatures with Warzone campaign books. Atia rumored the return of the Lost and the Damned (rules at least) not so long ago. The Cadia detachment is in Montka. Wulfen came with WZF 1.
GW has shown a newly (7th edition) painted Ulthwe studio army in the Warzone Fenris Warhammer Visions issue in February.
Atia rumored there will be a campaign-style book with formations for CSM. Why not put in an Ulthwe supplement, too? And release plastic Farseers/Warlocks/Eldrad while you are at it?
Warhams-77 wrote: The Eye of Terror army lists and new miniature releases in 2003 were
- Wulfen (metal squad) (metal Runepriest)
- Ulthwe (metal Warlock Council) (metal Hvy Support weapon) (Storm Guardians upgrade pack)
- Cadia (metal Creed afaik)
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
LatD did not receive any new miniature releases for EoT. They got a bag with Ork, Catachan and zombie sprues that you could kitbash to make derpy-looking mutants. In fact LatD have never received a new miniature release period. At least not since 2nd edition.
Come to think of it, I don't remember Chaos getting any miniature releases at all for EoT. I guess they got revenge though, by winning the campaign when they weren't supposed to. And of course they've been paying for that fiasco with gak rules ever since.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I guess they got revenge though, by winning the campaign when they weren't supposed to. And of course they've been paying for that fiasco with gak rules ever since.
This is the only true conspiracy theory I've ever heard.
Well that came out of no where. With the Wulfen, rumours of a campaign book with CSM rules and now a plastic Eldrad it looks like GW are revisiting the 13th black crusade. It would tie in very well with the other rumours about the background inching forward.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, they certainly have stacked the deck in favor of Chaos losing the 13th Black Crusader this time. Perhaps when it is done they will buff Chaos.
rumor is plastic deamon primarchs and lots of love for chaos. so they are getting major power boosts if true
Sounds good. The info available is too vague at the moment. Eldrad could be August or October, or much later. Let's collect the bits here until we know more - I hope Sad Panda can chime in with some info regarding that sprue.
I'm forseeing khorne vs eldar campaign with the 1 new plastic character in a box like the tau and ravenguard campaign and a seperate codex deathwatch release with multiple models. That makes more sense then khorne vs deathwatch campaign.
gungo wrote: I'm forseeing khorne vs eldar campaign with the 1 new plastic character in a box like the tau and ravenguard campaign and a seperate codex deathwatch release with multiple models. That makes more sense then khorne vs deathwatch campaign.
gungo wrote: I'm forseeing khorne vs eldar campaign with the 1 new plastic character in a box like the tau and ravenguard campaign and a seperate codex deathwatch release with multiple models. That makes more sense then khorne vs deathwatch campaign.
Couldn't it be Deathwatch v. Eldar?
Warzones I think are going to be expanded, 3 potential army updates from each
so tinfoil hat logic
* means team up
Eldar* vs (deathwatch)* VS Khorne
warzone Baal: BLood angels and successors vs tyranids vs chaos
Warzone Fenris 2: Space wolves* vs imperial fleet* (darkangels ultras, iron hands, tempestus, various) vs deamons, alphalegion, thousand suns intro of magnus
Warzone Damocles 3: Ultras and Mechanicum* vs tau* vs chaos?
leaves necrons, orks, Darkeldar for warzone involvements.
Possible but past campaigns had third factions in the lore and they got shafted with formstions, rules, and models.
The fact the only new chaos unit and eldar unit are both hq characters screams tau vs Raven guard campaign style.
Warhams-77 wrote: The Eye of Terror army lists and new miniature releases in 2003 were
- Wulfen (metal squad) (metal Runepriest)
- Ulthwe (metal Warlock Council) (metal Hvy Support weapon) (Storm Guardians upgrade pack)
- Cadia (metal Creed afaik)
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
LatD did not receive any new miniature releases for EoT. They got a bag with Ork, Catachan and zombie sprues that you could kitbash to make derpy-looking mutants. In fact LatD have never received a new miniature release period. At least not since 2nd edition.
Come to think of it, I don't remember Chaos getting any miniature releases at all for EoT. I guess they got revenge though, by winning the campaign when they weren't supposed to. And of course they've been paying for that fiasco with gak rules ever since.
IIRC, we got Typhus and the current Plaguemarines as new releases during the EoT summer.
Overall though, Chaos & IG got shafted model release wise, as the lions share of actual new releases were eaten up by Eldar & Puppies.
Most of the releases over that summer though were just gakky re-packs combo'ing a bunch of sprues together for kitbashing... (ie: 13th Co. got a "new" squad box that was simply 1x 4 Chaos Marine sprue set + 5x Loyalist Marine sprue set + SW accessory sprue + an actual new transfer sheet - the only real "new" part of the whole kit!)
Yaraton wrote: Oh look, another non-essential CSM crap...
Hmm. A CSM player complaining about being overlooked despite all the rumormongers pointing to a major upcoming overhaul. Must be a day that ends in "Y".
BrookM wrote: Imperial Guard got the basic plastic Cadians and the metal Creed + Kell combo, the rest came a few months later when the new Guard codex hit.
Didn't the Cadians come almost at the very end of the campaign though? I seem to remember them coming out like the month before the pre-4th ed codex hit, which was definitely released a couple months *after* EoT officially ended.
It could have been sat in a CAD file for ages and only just got machined, no point in having your copyright start to expire sooner than you need, or yes, it could have been a recent thing, but Panda (and possibly Atia) have said these things are planned out a little further in advance than ~6 months.
Yaraton wrote: Oh look, another non-essential CSM crap...
Hmm. A CSM player complaining about being overlooked despite all the rumormongers pointing to a major upcoming overhaul. Must be a day that ends in "Y".
You are correct, A rumor of support is the same as actual support.
but we've seen a whole bunch of stuff (for example the harlequins) showing up with copyright dates years off the release eg the harlequins show up in early 2015 with 2013 and 2014 on them
and that didn't seem to be too unusual at the time
but now (as with most of the AoS stuff) we seem to be getting them much closer to the date on the sprue
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, they certainly have stacked the deck in favor of Chaos losing the 13th Black Crusader this time. Perhaps when it is done they will buff Chaos.
rumor is plastic deamon primarchs and lots of love for chaos. so they are getting major power boosts if true
Hey , remember when they released the last wave of Ork models and they got a major power boost?
BrookM wrote: Imperial Guard got the basic plastic Cadians and the metal Creed + Kell combo, the rest came a few months later when the new Guard codex hit.
Didn't the Cadians come almost at the very end of the campaign though? I seem to remember them coming out like the month before the pre-4th ed codex hit, which was definitely released a couple months *after* EoT officially ended.
Plastic Cadians and Creed/Kell came out at the start of the campaign IIRC. I can't find the White Dwarf anymore, but it was the same issue as the Defiler.
Ah, yes. These hideous conversions were quite offending for the eyes - I can't remember a single one of them looking good or even passable. The big mutants were ugly as well. These abominations as a studio army - what were they thinking?
Brometheus wrote: That Eldrad. Holy crap. So it makes me wonder if Sad Panda saw a plastic Ahriman for 40k and not 30k.
He specifically says that the plastic Ahriman should be in red, not blue. So I wouldn't count on it
Ahriman for the 2nd plastic Heresy game always seemed a bit too specific to me. The great thing about BaC was the generic nature of the models allowed you to go for which ever legion you wanted and supported multiple purchases. Having a legion specific special character seems to limit both. Of course the model could just be a generic legion librarian that's named in the game back ground as Ahriman in the same way that the two BaC characters were named generics. However.......Total speculation but could the 1k sons that stayed with Magnus and are now heading out with there primarch have kept the old legion colours? If Ahriman is forgiven and re-joins Magnus he could go back to the red scheme.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The great thing about BaC was the generic nature of the models allowed you to go for which ever legion you wanted and supported multiple purchases. Having a legion specific special character seems to limit both.
I imagine it will be a Dark Eldar/Eldar campaign against Chaos. Or each other. There has been a long running sub plot of a plan to destroy Slaanesh and replace it with the Eldar god of death.
I've elaborated on this theory before. It's neat to see some tangential evidence. If we hear about DE update as well then we know this is likely the direction they are taking with that campaign book series.
pm713 wrote: There's also the Harlequin plan which gets Slaanesh to destroy itself which could be tied in.
Yeah this is all part of the same plot more or less and Eldrad and Vect have big roles in it. I think with Eldrad getting a model I hope and have a good feeling we'll see Vect again.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Well, they certainly have stacked the deck in favor of Chaos losing the 13th Black Crusader this time. Perhaps when it is done they will buff Chaos.
rumor is plastic deamon primarchs and lots of love for chaos. so they are getting major power boosts if true
Hey , remember when they released the last wave of Ork models and they got a major power boost?
Cuz I don't.
Calling it now, Magnus will cost 999pts, because 'sacred numbers are fun!'
I mean, look how auto-win that unstoppable 888pts of Khorne super-death-engine turned out to be!
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.
The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.
The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.
That wasn't actually "direct only". It was a splash release. It was a bundle of the sprues in a ziploc baggie with a GW sticker on it.
Deathwatch could be hunting Eldrad, then suddenly Chaos. Then they have to team up with the Deathwatch, getting the Space Marines all sad because they have to work with Xenos while on the Deathwatch, and Eldrad gets a just as planned boner.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the days to come!
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)
The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.
The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.
That wasn't actually "direct only". It was a splash release. It was a bundle of the sprues in a ziploc baggie with a GW sticker on it.
Quite possibly. For some bizarre reason it lasted all of 5 minutes in stores though. It was a seriously lazy release for LatD.
Especially when you consider that 13th Company, apart from the Wulfen essentially were the same thing (Space Wolves with CSM sprues as 'extra') and got actual boxes for their squads rather than the ziplock baggie of shame.
Can someone point me to some pictures of the Lost and the Damned studio shots? I'd love to see what the stuff looked like, as all I can find are legion of the damned it seems.
I happen to like the old mutation sprues in all their chunky goodness, but that's just me.
I really hope heavy bolter suspensors are still a thing in the new DW dex. I am not looking forward to one of the main things that made them different getting nixxed (and my deathwatch getting neutered).
Alarielles sprues are also "C 2016" so Eldrad could pop up any moment.
Eldrad is a really nice surprise.
The whole eldar plot to twart slaanesh sounds like a campaign in its own.
Would be cool if Eldrad allied with tzeench here for a neccesary edge against Slaanesh in a future campaign.
gungo wrote: Possible but past campaigns had third factions in the lore and they got shafted with formstions, rules, and models.
The fact the only new chaos unit and eldar unit are both hq characters screams tau vs Raven guard campaign style.
Very unlikely they would put special character of Eldrad's caliber to one of those campaign boxes. Those are more of generic HQ's. Not special characters. Especially famous ones.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Looking forward to this. Eldrad and Kharn both aged well, but they both date back to 2nd edition, which is a hell of a long time to date back to.
Kinda wish the other non-Typhus/Lucius/Huron Chaos characters and the phoenix lords would get redone as well but hey, take what we can get.
Eh, Typhus is a great model and the first Nurgle mini I wanted (besides a GuO) but I wouldn't say no to a plastic Typhus that is a bit bigger. Same with Abby.
Awhile back there was some leaked Dark Eldar rules from Frontline Gaming. This lends some credence to those as well since it seems likely the Eldar and Dark Eldar will be in a campaign.
A lot of people thought the leaked rules were a new codex, but It was obvious it sounded like formation bonuses for the DE and some of them were pretty potent.
I certainly hope they turn out to be true since it would be just the boost the poor faction needs. Still take this with a grain of salt. Also there is no rumor monger saying for sure the campaign is coming or will involve Slaanesh being defeated. It's just a few Eldar lore fanatics speculation and noticing the patterns.
For all we know they could just drop Eldrad like they did the dual TE Commander/Ethereal on Drone kit around the time of the ork release.
The Eldar plan to kill Slaanesh becoming a campaign even follows the GW "erasing Slaanesh" conspiracy. Ynnead would be more child-friendly than Slaanesh, without having to worry about having less than four chaos gods.
It wouldn't be far fetched, do a Iyanden re release (yes, I know Eldrad isn't Iyanden, but it's a chance for them to rerelease the supplement now that they ruled it is legal) in the middle of a Deathwatch/Chaos campaign (lol? Well, I guess it's not that far fetched, part of the Deathwatchs purpose is to eliminate Xenos that worship the ruinous powers...). New up to date supplement for Eldar, while Death Watch gets their codex and Chaos gets whatever they get out of the campaign book. More Khorne love, probably.
As for Ahriman, it could be a generic 30k Librarian model, since they don't really have any other than Rubio that has wargear that fits the setting, but he will have decals and be painted to represent Ahriman. Maybe they will even do a separate clampack of Ahriman/Bjorn, so they can do them both justice?
Also I think people need to realize this is likely not going to be all in one release. It looks like they will have CotW2 then whatever comes next. Likely Eldar/Chaos centric to keep the plot going. As well as CSM's own campaign books unless Chaos will be involved in the majority of the upcoming plot books in which case they can spread it out.
I doubt there will be a dedicated Xenos/Chaos book without some form of Imperial selling point. Imperials (Marines) are their money makers, after all.
Maybe Eldar can carry a campaign book? I mean if the release is Khorne Marines, I doubt it will stir up much excitement, since who here would really be excited for more Khorne?
Part two of the COTW is going to be Tzeentch, unless they do a sudden Twist with Khorne trying to cockblock Magnus because of the Eternal Game.
Of course, on the other hand, it could be an Eldar campaign fighting the Deathwatch, and Kharn is just a plastic release like the Tau Commander/Ethereal.
angelofvengeance wrote: The Wrathmongers are actually alright if you model them a wee bit differently, but Skarr is just a terrible model lol. Skarr is at best, a good start to making a beefy Beastlord for your beastmen.
The problem with the move to plastic for all characters is they can do very, very few of them. And the start up cost is huge compared to a resin or metal one.
I really don't understand why they don't fit in several heads and arms to each plastic character to differentiate them. But even if they do that it means there will be a lot less variation among our Warlocks/Chaos Lords/Marine Commanders etc.
Sure they're much easier to customize but most are in novel new poses so stock parts don't always fit well.
Gamgee wrote: Awhile back there was some leaked Dark Eldar rules from Frontline Gaming. This lends some credence to those as well since it seems likely the Eldar and Dark Eldar will be in a campaign.
A lot of people thought the leaked rules were a new codex, but It was obvious it sounded like formation bonuses for the DE and some of them were pretty potent.
I certainly hope they turn out to be true since it would be just the boost the poor faction needs. Still take this with a grain of salt. Also there is no rumor monger saying for sure the campaign is coming or will involve Slaanesh being defeated. It's just a few Eldar lore fanatics speculation and noticing the patterns.
For all we know they could just drop Eldrad like they did the dual TE Commander/Ethereal on Drone kit around the time of the ork release.
Most of that list reeked horribly of wish listing, I wouldn't put much stock in it.
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Verviedi wrote: The Eldar plan to kill Slaanesh becoming a campaign even follows the GW "erasing Slaanesh" conspiracy. Ynnead would be more child-friendly than Slaanesh, without having to worry about having less than four chaos gods.
Ynnead would not be a Chaos god, he'd be one of the Eldar Gods like Khain and Cegorach.
Verviedi wrote: The Eldar plan to kill Slaanesh becoming a campaign even follows the GW "erasing Slaanesh" conspiracy. Ynnead would be more child-friendly than Slaanesh, without having to worry about having less than four chaos gods.
You do know that Slaanesh is still around in AoS, right?
Verviedi wrote: The Eldar plan to kill Slaanesh becoming a campaign even follows the GW "erasing Slaanesh" conspiracy. Ynnead would be more child-friendly than Slaanesh, without having to worry about having less than four chaos gods.
You do know that Slaanesh is still around in AoS, right?
Yeah in background. No sign of new models. They could easily put Slaanesh into similar "mentioned in fluff only, no new models until new direction has been come up" state in 40k.
Verviedi wrote: The Eldar plan to kill Slaanesh becoming a campaign even follows the GW "erasing Slaanesh" conspiracy. Ynnead would be more child-friendly than Slaanesh, without having to worry about having less than four chaos gods.
You do know that Slaanesh is still around in AoS, right?
Yeah in background. No sign of new models. They could easily put Slaanesh into similar "mentioned in fluff only, no new models until new direction has been come up" state in 40k.
No sign of new models, but definitely still around--even if Slaanesh is not directly exercising its power.
The forces of Slaanesh are primarily in the Realm of Shadow; somewhere we haven't explored yet.
angelofvengeance wrote: The Wrathmongers are actually alright if you model them a wee bit differently, but Skarr is just a terrible model lol. Skarr is at best, a good start to making a beefy Beastlord for your beastmen.
I forgot how terrible the khorne models for AOS were..
A lot of them are quite nice. Just not that one.
The worst of the khorne models (flailing chains and stuff) was for End Times rather than AoS (it dont make much difference these days though).
Anyway Im quite happy with my Skarr-Herald conversion; Skarrs stature is a quite impressive hunk of plastic:
Aren't the Night Lords supposed to fight Ulthwe in the End Times? It would be cool if the Night Lords attack Ulthwe but then the Grey Knights show up and together with Eldrad they totally destroy the Night Lords! The few survivors end up painting their armor red and joining the Crimson Slaughter.
This way they could wittle down some of the superfluous Chaos Legions. Alpha Legion could die in the Fenris campaign. That just leaves Iron Warriors and Word Bearers to deal with. Maybe a joint Ultramarines/Imperial Fist campaign where they finally destroy their arch-enemies? I'm sure they could think of something.
At the end of the day they all get rolled into Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion. Tidies up the bloated Chaos faction nicely.
Gamgee wrote: Also I think people need to realize this is likely not going to be all in one release. It looks like they will have CotW2 then whatever comes next. Likely Eldar/Chaos centric to keep the plot going. As well as CSM's own campaign books unless Chaos will be involved in the majority of the upcoming plot books in which case they can spread it out.
*grain of salt* According to a friend who used to work for GW, his friend on the inside says a lot of talk in the company these days centers on how there are almost no CSM armies in tournaments these days and how they used to be one of the most popular tournament armies. I wouldn't be surprised to see a major refocus on Chaos in the coming months based on what he's telling me.
Crazyterran wrote: I mean if the release is Khorne Marines, I doubt it will stir up much excitement, since who here would really be excited for more Khorne?
Gamgee wrote: Also I think people need to realize this is likely not going to be all in one release. It looks like they will have CotW2 then whatever comes next. Likely Eldar/Chaos centric to keep the plot going. As well as CSM's own campaign books unless Chaos will be involved in the majority of the upcoming plot books in which case they can spread it out.
*grain of salt* According to a friend who used to work for GW, his friend on the inside says a lot of talk in the company these days centers on how there are almost no CSM armies in tournaments these days and how they used to be one of the most popular tournament armies. I wouldn't be surprised to see a major refocus on Chaos in the coming months based on what he's telling me.
Games Workshop Design Team couldn't understand tournament stats if they tried, and they likely don't care regardless. They probably couldn't define "tournament" without a dictionary
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Looking forward to this. Eldrad and Kharn both aged well, but they both date back to 2nd edition, which is a hell of a long time to date back to.
Kinda wish the other non-Typhus/Lucius/Huron Chaos characters and the phoenix lords would get redone as well but hey, take what we can get.
Except for Huron and lucius all the chaos chaps are 2nd end.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Aren't the Night Lords supposed to fight Ulthwe in the End Times? It would be cool if the Night Lords attack Ulthwe but then the Grey Knights show up and together with Eldrad they totally destroy the Night Lords! The few survivors end up painting their armor red and joining the Crimson Slaughter.
This way they could wittle down some of the superfluous Chaos Legions. Alpha Legion could die in the Fenris campaign. That just leaves Iron Warriors and Word Bearers to deal with. Maybe a joint Ultramarines/Imperial Fist campaign where they finally destroy their arch-enemies? I'm sure they could think of something.
At the end of the day they all get rolled into Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion. Tidies up the bloated Chaos faction nicely.
Unless you're trolling, I don't see any point in what you're suggesting here. The point of Chaos is pretty much the same as with Space Marines. The various Legions are akin to the various chapters. You may as well be suggesting that the Black Templars and Crimson Fists get rolled back into the Imperial Fists to tidy up the bloated Space Marine Faction - then roll them all back into the Ultras, BAs, DAs and SWs - amirite?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Aren't the Night Lords supposed to fight Ulthwe in the End Times? It would be cool if the Night Lords attack Ulthwe but then the Grey Knights show up and together with Eldrad they totally destroy the Night Lords! The few survivors end up painting their armor red and joining the Crimson Slaughter.
This way they could wittle down some of the superfluous Chaos Legions. Alpha Legion could die in the Fenris campaign. That just leaves Iron Warriors and Word Bearers to deal with. Maybe a joint Ultramarines/Imperial Fist campaign where they finally destroy their arch-enemies? I'm sure they could think of something.
At the end of the day they all get rolled into Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion. Tidies up the bloated Chaos faction nicely.
Unless you're trolling, I don't see any point in what you're suggesting here. The point of Chaos is pretty much the same as with Space Marines. The various Legions are akin to the various chapters. You may as well be suggesting that the Black Templars and Crimson Fists get rolled back into the Imperial Fists to tidy up the bloated Space Marine Faction - then roll them all back into the Ultras, BAs, DAs and SWs - amirite?
I'm pretty sure that's meant to be read sarcastically.
Who knows, that new eldrad could technically be part of a horus heresy character range.
We know 30k Ahriman is up. Perhaps he is not really part of the new 30k box.
Actually pretty smart to do a range that could double as 40k.
Didn't GW purge their army books of dead characters though over time? Sergeant Naaman, Lord Commander Solar Macharius and El Capitan Cortez come to mind.
IIRC Eldrad was turned to crystal when he tried to commune with one of the Blackstar Fortresses in the final stages of the 13th Black Crusade.
Tycho is dead in the current timeline and he still has rules and a model.
Admittedly he's the only example that currently springs to mind... EDIT: Actually Aun'va is dead, too; though that's a really recent development.
But technically Eldrad isn't dead yet since the timeline was rolled back to "13th Black Crusade is going to start soon" rather than "Oh it's happening".
I wonder if they'll mess around with the outcome of the 13th, as it was quite a clusterfeth back then, what with Cadia fallen to Chaos and oh dear, the new Guard codex with loads of Cadian plastics out a few months after that.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Tycho is dead in the current timeline and he still has rules and a model.
Admittedly he's the only example that currently springs to mind... EDIT: Actually Aun'va is dead, too; though that's a really recent development.
But technically Eldrad isn't dead yet since the timeline was rolled back to "13th Black Crusade is going to start soon" rather than "Oh it's happening".
Not sure if this has been mentioned but I asked about the Kharn model at my local GW and the manager said after his trip to head office that
1 - it's an awesome model (although he's not gonna say it's bad seeing as though he works there)
2 - Part of a campaign book called black crusade
3 - around September time
No current rumours for a Genestealer Cult list, some old ones, sure. Instead we are hearing about Chaos and Eldar, and nothing about Genestealer Cults book.
They usually like to keep releases that are close together for the same game system fit within a theme/campaign lately, so it's interesting that they are seemingly not doing that.
Crazyterran wrote: I can't see a Deathwatch book being part of the Black Crusade campaign.
Guess we will see who's in it. If it is Chaos vs Eldar, I suppose the two most popular non-Marine factions might be able to hold up their own book...
Come on shouldn't it be obvious? Deathwatch vs Genestealer cult. Weren't there rumors the cult would be its own mini army?
Deathwatch for sure, and Genestealers have functional rules but I don't think Sad Panda (who brought up the upcoming deathwatch release, including the flyer) mentioned them releasing, although I could be misremembering. I hope we get Genestealer multi-part plastics soon though. I've been wanting to model a Cult list for 30k since the release of Book 5
The initial rumor of this thread was about the new, monthly (September) White Dwarf and we dont know yet how GW is going to announce their products from then on. If they show all four weeks of releases in that issue, Kharn and the campaign book could be week 4 for example, with more campaign related releases following in October. Codex: Deathwatch and related products could be the main release, at the beginning of September (week 1).
GW is also still able to do 'surprise releases' not being shown in that month's WD but in the issue after its release.
It is definitely a new situation - we dont know much about.
I try to be explicit when I know for certain that something does not exist (e.g. last year's Tzeentch/Nurgle Daemonkin, the "all GDs are ready"-rumors, etc..).
Genestealer Cult as an army "exists". I simply don't know anything about it (models, planned release dates, current status, etc..).
Azazelx wrote: The point of Chaos is pretty much the same as with Space Marines. The various Legions are akin to the various chapters.
It used to be that way back in 3rd edition, but has not been the case for quite some time. Chaos used to be:
The Traitor Legions! Fallen champions from times of legend returned from hell to exact their revenge upon the Imperium they built so long ago.
Now it's more like:
Black Legion + Random Hodgepodge Of No-name Warbands Nobody's Ever Heard Of Or Cares About! Space marines who are bad. Individually no match for our heroes, but they attack in waves of faceless mooks.
The current studio doesn't think the traitor legions belong in 40k. End Times would be a good opportunity to remove them.
Azazelx wrote: You may as well be suggesting that the Black Templars and Crimson Fists get rolled back into the Imperial Fists to tidy up the bloated Space Marine Faction - then roll them all back into the Ultras, BAs, DAs and SWs - amirite?
This is a huge bit encompasses what would be the next two years of releases for Warhammer 40,000. A new 8th edition and 5 campaigns to push the envelope right up to the 1 minute before midnight. If this is really the layout for the next edition of 40k, call me more than a little excited.
Please remember that salt is required for this. I don't yet know how solid this is, but it is very well detailed, appears like a logical outline, and looks like a ton of fun.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
8th edition and New Campaign called War in the Webway
8th Edition is kicking off next year but rather than do the usual starter set and massive rulebook with 2 armies facing off they will be releasing 7 starter set army boxes which will be the seven main armies taking part in a new campaign called "War in the Webway" which will be the first of five campaigns which will move the 40k storyline forward to the "1 minute to mindnight mark". All kits in the box are plastic I am told and some will include new plastic updates which will later be released as separate kits. The Main Rule book will just be rules and each Campaign will have a "fluff" and Special rules books which will develop that campaign's storyline.
The six boxes are:
1. Kharn's Slaughterband - (New) Kharn the Betrayer, (new)Khorne Bezerkers, Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers and a Hellbrute)
2. Eldrad's Cursing Spear - ( New) Eldrad, (New) 2 Guardian squads (can be either defenders or storm guardians, (new) 5 warlocks, 2 war walkers, Fire Prism
3. Magnus' Weavers of Change- (New) Magnus Daemon Prince, (New) Prosperine Terminators, (New) Rubric Marines (ranged), Rubric Marines (Close Combat), Chaos Predator Tank
4. Iyanna's Phoenix Host - (New) Iyanna Arienal the Oracle of Ynnead, (New) Arcane Battleseer Firesight (Can also be built as standard Arcane Battleseer) (Can also be built as 10 Wraithguard/Blades,2 Wraithlords, 5 Dire Avengers
5. Ahriman's Unholy Covenant - (New) Ahriman,(New) N'kari (can also be built as standard Keeper of Secrets) (New) 2 Chaos Sorcerors, Rubric Marines, Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Daemonettes of Slaanesh, Chariot of Tzeentch
6. Sythrac's Anguish Bringer's - (New) Valossian Sythrac the Blade of Vect, (New) 5 Kabalite Trueborn, Kabalite Warriors, (New) Incubi, 2 Venoms, 1 Raider, 1 Razorwing Jetfighter
7. The Laughing Host - (New) Prince Yriel Champion of Cegorach, (New) Sylandri Veilwalker, 3 Harlequin Troupes, 2 Starweavers, (New) 1 Sentinel of the Black Library.
New Kits for the Campaign
I am told that there will be other new kits coming out alongside the campaign, all kits mentioned above will also be available separately. I asked about some of the new units mentioned above and this is what I have so far:
- Prosperine Terminators = Basically Rubric Terminators but all are heavy weapon specialists with in built heavy bolters, multi melta's but also more magical weaponry too. Terminator Models which are more like the Imperial than Chaos ones but have the rubric details you would expect on them.
- Iyanna, the special character we all know and love (or hate) but she becomes very dark and sinister, shes floating on wild growing wriathbone and spirits, has a spear and staff, helmet is a cross between a Farseer and Spiritseer
- Magnus, Daemon Prince, covering in Tzeentch markings, bright red armour and a golden sythe. Described as flying with feathered wings whilst mid casting a spell. Apparently he is in the webway and basically racing Ahriman to the Black Library, they are NOT allies in any way
- Eldrad, still doing his usual thing, new plastic model is very similar to old metal one.
-N'kari, the Keeper of Secrets leading the Slaanesh Daemons in the webway, in an alliance with Ahriman, but both of them are extremely untrusting of the other and secretly have different aims. Also can be built as a normal Keeper of Secrets, multiple weapon and head options, posed as if leaping and about to strike out.
- Arcane Battleseer, similar to a Wraithknight with psychic weapons and powers. Imagine if you smashed up a wraithknight into chunks of Wraithbone then bound them back together with psychic energy energy, can be posed casting a spell, fighting or just standard. Looks extremely cool I'm told.
-Arcane Battleseer Firesight, The first Arcane Battleseer. Used to be the High Farseer of Iyanden but then died and became a Wraithseer and a close advisor to Iyanna Arienal. Was blown apart along with 2 Wraithknights after detonating an Ork Stompa. Iyanna's desperate ritual to save Firesight merged the souls of the Wraithknight Pilots and Firesight together and created a new Wraithbone body called an "Arcane Battleseer". A successful design so has begun being replicated on other craftworlds in addition to creating Wraithseers. Posed like a normal Arcane Battleseer but has a more ornate head and a special energy spear/staff.
- Valossian Sythrac, Basically is Vect's top Archon who does all of his dirty work.
Posed leaping forward with a Husblade behind him and an open soul trap in an outstretched hand which has tendrils of energy leaping forward from it. Has a Golden Helmet with multiple Horns which apparently look a bit like Malekith from WHFB.
-Prince Yriel, similar to current model but cloak is now a diamond one, and stands on top of eldar architecture with spear swiping and leaving 'Green fire behind it". He now wears a mask covering the left half of his face which included his special Eye thing which has received a bit of an upgrade and now shoots a special beam. His Banners on his back are gone and replacing with long hair blowing in the wind.
-Kharn the Betrayer, a lot like the current model but more dynamic and posed as though lashing out at an enemy.
-Sylandri Veilwalker, Special Shadowseer, floating on mist which also covers half her character. Has a curved semi circle blade in one hand and a staff in the other.
- Sentinel of the Black Library. Wraithlord sized figure with a long spear held by both hands. Cloaked in a long black and white chequered robe and has a mirror mask for its face which is mostly hidden by a hood.
Future Campaigns
There are apparently 4 more campaign book series' (each with their own army starte sets and new releases).
Campaign 2 Is Eye of Terror area Chaos invasion (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Astra Militarum, Eldar, Necrons VS everything Chaos)
Campaign 3 Is Orks Vs Nids Vs Imperium Vs Necrons in Octarius Sector and surrounding space
Campaign 4 Is Tau vs Imperium but later Chaos and a faction of Dark Eldar, Necrons also turn up as well apparently
Campaign 5 is Eye of Terror area and beyond part 2 (the stories from all 4 previous books brought together) pretty much every race is sensing the chaos in the galaxy and moves towards this area with their own missions and aims
In Campaign 3 pretty much everyone on the development team is game on for having a Ghazghkull vs Swarmlord whilst Campaign 4 they want a showdown between Farsight or Shadowsun and Imotekh. From what I gather, nothing beyond the first two books is set in stone yet and the rest is all a rough outline.
The aim is that these 5 Campaigns should take about 2 years to run their course and progress the setting to a new state where various side stories can be developed and therefore create new stories but keep the clock at "1 minute to midnight" for the overall setting.
As soon as I saw 'Prosperine Terminators' I knew this was full of gak.
And NO ONE knew plastic Eldrad was coming. Therefore some one claiming to know in detail the releases over the next 2 years is so full of gak it's not even funny.
That's a lot of new kits and the descriptions sound a little too much even for GW plastics. Although if more kits are coming with eldrad I would expect a new guardian kit being ulthwei and all, and eldar need a decent upgrade for storm guardians, plastic warlocks would be amazing though!
also pretty high risk considering what happened to WHFB after it's 'lets move the story forward' moment,
players will worry (whatever reassurance is given) that the resultant 8th will end up in Ao40K and I think GW will want a few more quarters data on how AoS is regrowing (or not) sales
Mantle wrote: That's a lot of new kits and the descriptions sound a little too much even for GW plastics. Although if more kits are coming with eldrad I would expect a new guardian kit being ulthwei and all, and eldar need a decent upgrade for storm guardians, plastic warlocks would be amazing though!
I know awhile back there was talk of GW being less cryptic about upcoming releases and for the most part many of the things rumored have come out.
Maybe this is it? Also it is common sense folks. They are advancing the story and everyone needs to have their time to be advanced.
It also says some of those last books are not set in stone yet just vague ideas, but honestly it all sounds fairly accurate. Also those armies have all not had their big decurions and cool models released.
I can't wait to see what else the DE get. Also I like Harlequins lore but wish they were better allies for my dark kin and I might paint some.
Gamgee wrote: Sounds about right to me. Looking forward to seeing it all. Bye bye Slaanesh. Hello Eldar god of death.
Huh? What about these rumours makes you think slaanesh is being removed? Why does the entrance of Ynnead absolutely HAVE to mean slaanesh gets removed.
I mean, I personally think (assuming rumours are true) that GW wouldn't release a special character keeper of secrets like n'kari to have slaanesh just go away? No one would buy it. Also, if it's a dual kit like it says, that's an even larger absurdity.
I'm just curious if you know something that I seem to be missing.
Details are way too specific to be true and even the starting boxes don't follow the $85 model. We'll let Atia or Sad Panda weigh in but I'm calling this bunk on arrival.
Gamgee wrote: Sounds about right to me. Looking forward to seeing it all. Bye bye Slaanesh. Hello Eldar god of death.
Huh? What about these rumours makes you think slaanesh is being removed? Why does the entrance of Ynnead absolutely HAVE to mean slaanesh gets removed.
I mean, I personally think (assuming rumours are true) that GW wouldn't release a special character keeper of secrets like n'kari to have slaanesh just go away? No one would buy it. Also, if it's a dual kit like it says, that's an even larger absurdity.
I'm just curious if you know something that I seem to be missing.
Gamgee has bought into the crap peddled by Naftka and others that Slaanesh is being removed to make the setting more "kid friendly".
Arguing or discussing it with him is pointless.
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buddha wrote: Details are way too specific to be true and even the starting boxes don't follow the $85 model. We'll let Atia or Sad Panda weigh in but I'm calling this bunk on arrival.
Yup. The more specific the rumor via Naftka or BoLS, the more likely it is to be bunk.
Are there exceptions? Sometimes. But it's a good rule of thumb to have that more details equates to more nonsense.
Seriously, someone predict 7 major player will get attention, and there is not one loyalist marine in there.
I know GW is going through some changes, and lots of the stuff in the rumor sounds kind of plausible, but really, no marines?
They just released an Age of Sigmar model with bare breasts. I don't think GW is going to remove Slaanesh to make their games 'kid friendly'.
Idk who Naftka is but those rumors sound too much like wishful thinking. Don't get me wrong I would love new Thousand Sons and the theme seems sound (black library eldar vs magnus) but the details are way to specific.
And isn't Yriel LITERALLY DYING from his spear? why would he become a harlequin all of a sudden? I always figured him as the brooding pirate burdened with a curse, not the type of guy to go "well I guess I'll become a self-deprecating clown in my last days! LOL"
Fayric wrote: Seriously, someone predict 7 major player will get attention, and there is not one loyalist marine in there. I know GW is going through some changes, and lots of the stuff in the rumor sounds kind of plausible, but really, no marines?
That's what screamed BS to me. Not a single Space Marine chapter mentioned.
Fayric wrote: Seriously, someone predict 7 major player will get attention, and there is not one loyalist marine in there.
I know GW is going through some changes, and lots of the stuff in the rumor sounds kind of plausible, but really, no marines?
That's what screamed BS to me. Not a single Space Marine chapter mentioned.
Grey Knights or even the new rumored Death Watch would be a perfect candidate for a 'Chaos v Eldar: Warp Nonsense' battle
Gamgee wrote: Sounds about right to me. Looking forward to seeing it all. Bye bye Slaanesh. Hello Eldar god of death.
Huh? What about these rumours makes you think slaanesh is being removed? Why does the entrance of Ynnead absolutely HAVE to mean slaanesh gets removed.
I mean, I personally think (assuming rumours are true) that GW wouldn't release a special character keeper of secrets like n'kari to have slaanesh just go away? No one would buy it. Also, if it's a dual kit like it says, that's an even larger absurdity.
I'm just curious if you know something that I seem to be missing.
He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.
buddha wrote: Details are way too specific to be true and even the starting boxes don't follow the $85 model. We'll let Atia or Sad Panda weigh in but I'm calling this bunk on arrival.
those don't look like 85$ starter boxes if real, more in line with the 120+ army boxes.
anything involving the black library will include deathwatch and inquisition. keep in mind.
Actually there were internal discussions about this during kirby's time. Which is when those rumors and discussions and even lore build up happened.
There is enough evidence now that its been pointed out Slaanesh might stay around. It looks like the new guy in charge changed the plan a lot. Thankfully.
I actually like Slaanesh. Also I didn't know about that sylvaneth model. In that case we're all good. I can't see them getting rid of her. It looks like we might see Yeenead though. Or their plan partially backfiring.
Gamgee wrote: Actually there were internal discussions about this during kirby's time.
Were there really though? Who says? Anonymous sources on Naftka or Faeit?
Which is when those rumors and discussions and even lore build up happened.
What "lore build up"? Oh, you mean Slaanesh being captured by Malerion and Tyrion after he had glutted on Elf souls during the End Times and being kept within the Realm of Shadows?
You mean Slaanesh not sending a champion after Archaon and Dorghar devouring it like it did a Bloodthirster, Lord of Change, and Great Unclean One?
Age of Sigmar actually discussed the fact that Slaanesh could not send a champion since Slaanesh cannot exercise its power.
There is enough evidence now that its been pointed out Slaanesh might stay around. It looks like the new guy in charge changed the plan a lot. Thankfully.
There was NEVER any real evidence that Slaanesh was going away. There was speculation, entirely unfounded, based upon stuff in Age of Sigmar. Stuff like Dorghar not having a Keeper of Secrets head or the lack of Slaanesh models or forces present in the campaign books--it's stuff which ignores that these things got addressed. Look at Archaon's shield, there's a Slaaneshi sigil on there. Look in the books, Slaanesh's forces are scouring the Realm of Shadow trying to find Slaanesh or busy fighting amongst themselves to see who will become "the next Slaanesh".
buddha wrote: Details are way too specific to be true and even the starting boxes don't follow the $85 model. We'll let Atia or Sad Panda weigh in but I'm calling this bunk on arrival.
those don't look like 85$ starter boxes if real, more in line with the 120+ army boxes.
anything involving the black library will include deathwatch and inquisition. keep in mind.
It's worth mentioning that if we're going to see Deathwatch coming out? There's a perfect tie-in opportunity in August, with the next "Beast Arises" book titled "Watchers in Death" being the origins of the Deathwatch.
Mostly the prophecy which kept coming up and the plans to bring back the eldar god. I don't read the lore myself so was simply told by an Eldar lore fanatic.
I know that is useless as a source, but ultimately it's all I got. It couldn't be all wrong or I would never have seen any of this coming. Plastic Eldrad is our biggest piece of evidence that a lot of this real.
He got some of the details wrong but the gist is right.
Edit
It is possible someone seen Sad Panda and Atias rumors and then the plastic eldrad and made all of that up. I find it unlikely though.
Gamgee wrote: Mostly the prophecy which kept coming up and the plans to bring back the eldar god. I don't read the lore myself so was simply told by an Eldar lore fanatic.
Then they need to hand in their Eldar lore fanatic card, because Yneead wasn't "being brought back". Yneead is a nascent Eldar god that the Eldar believe dwells within the Infinity Circuits of each Craftworld. It has not yet manifested as it has not attained the power necessary to defeat Slaanesh.
I know that is useless as a source, but ultimately it's all I got. It couldn't be all wrong or I would never have seen any of this coming. Plastic Eldrad is our biggest piece of evidence that a lot of this real.
Is it really though?
Plastic Eldrad means nothing more than plastic Eldrad until we get anything more solid to link it to. For all we know, this is a plastic Eldrad intended to be part of a Christmas bundle with a new plastic Warlock Council.
He got some of the details wrong but the gist is right.
From what you've said they got all of the important details wrong, and essentially acted as a carnival fortune teller and you jumped on board because it supports the narrative you seem to espouse often; that GW is trying to push the Eldar more than other Xenos and trying to make the game more "kid friendly".
Edit It is possible someone seen Sad Panda and Atias rumors and then the plastic eldrad and made all of that up. I find it unlikely though.
...really? You find that unlikely?
Because that's kind of the shtick lately for Naftka, BoLS, and Faeit.
Lady Atia wrote:
- Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
This is a huge bit encompasses what would be the next two years of releases for Warhammer 40,000. A new 8th edition and 5 campaigns to push the envelope right up to the 1 minute before midnight. If this is really the layout for the next edition of 40k, call me more than a little excited.
Please remember that salt is required for this. I don't yet know how solid this is, but it is very well detailed, appears like a logical outline, and looks like a ton of fun.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212...
*Random load of monkey gak*
Ah, good to see Natfka is only three or four days late on the pick-up, and then trying to one-up what's already known with a bunch of random shots across their gakboard!
There may end up being 5% or so of actual accuracy there, but like everything Chaos related, I'll wait for Panda and/or Lady Atia to clean up the mess.
Seriously, at this point according to Faeit/Natfka, we sould be on about oh, the 1,293,666th or so codex for CSM's!
Tongues have been wagging and this is what BoLS has been told by insiders:
Eldrad is coming late this year 2016
He will be accompanied by at least 2 other existing Eldar characters who will be receiving all new fancy plastic minis.
One of the new minis will be …. wait for it… the Eldar Avatar.
The others are unknown. It is not known if these are a standalone release, or part of an accompanying book of some type.
To put this whole slaanesh thing to rest. Slaanesh is a plot point in AOS hell in 40k we are getting a new keeper secret's model that will act as a standard keeper/N'kari if rumors are to be believed. Slaanesh is not going anywhere it's been said multiple times in the plot the followers are looking for slaanesh in the realm of shadows. Slaanesh even has a few short stories about his/her followers and are mentioned in the campaign book. If slaanesh was squatted he/she would not be mentioned at all like the tomb kings or brets. It also seems that they are becoming "buddies" with clan enshin. Like pestilins is with nurgle.
Sad Panda wrote:I try to be explicit when I know for certain that something does not exist (e.g. last year's Tzeentch/Nurgle Daemonkin, the "all GDs are ready"-rumors, etc..).
Genestealer Cult as an army "exists". I simply don't know anything about it (models, planned release dates, current status, etc..).
*Excited Squeak*
ImAGeek wrote:It's a shame it's almost definitely not true because some of those models sound really cool.
Yeah that shadowseer sounded amazing. Someone has a very active imagination there I think.
This sounds like the same crap he spewed when 7th was rolling around and we were going to get multiple box sets (one for each faction fighting their nemesis force) instead of the normal sort of starter set - and lo and behold we got squat but a revised Dark Vengeance. Faeit and BOLS are nothing more than tripe merchants.
He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.
But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.
You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.
I preferred the Rogal Dorn rumour. Shame that one is probably fake too. Bell of lost souls just seem to be making it up. Anyone with any memory of that time would come out with plausible cadian, wulfen, ulthwe and lost and the damned kits as well as webway factions and seem plausible.
General Kroll wrote: You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.
Or even to put the mini-book, templates and some dice with single army starter sets.
General Kroll wrote: You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.
Or even to put the mini-book, templates and some dice with single army starter sets.
That'd be nice.
Yeah that'd be really nice actually. They'll never do it, but a boy can dream.
He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.
But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.
Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.
With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.
Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.
With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.
And having slaanesh off for a while before return is bad idea...how? As it is slaanesh is unlikely to get new models anyway before comes back in aos so in practice what change to slaanesh? Have him off for a while though opens up new possibilities in fluff.
He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.
But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.
Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.
With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.
But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.
Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.
With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
It does radically change Dark Eldar and Eldar societies though.
Imateria wrote: Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.
Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.
If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.
If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.
Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.
Oh I figure once Yannead comes back they are going to betray all of the Eldar equally. Or even have been twisted a little. Maybe even take over Slaanesh's feeding. They are still the god of death not the god of fluffy bunnies.
We dont know yet if the ebook series will bring the final conclusion to the Warzone Fenris situation with its last part. From what has been shown so far I don't think it will, but I could be wrong.
The Chaos campaign book Atia's source mentioned could be either a direct sequel or taking place in a different Warzone. Thematically it would fit well into Warzone: Fenris
Automatically Appended Next Post: There is currently a similiar ebook series featuring Kharn - The Red Path
Part 1
Khârn the Betrayer wages bloody war across the Imperium, following the Red Path and leading his warband of Khorne Berzerkers in greater and greater acts of battle and bloodshed against all-comers. Abaddon desires to yoke Khârn's strength and ferocity for his own ends, but the Champion of Khorne will not kneel easily as his violent crusade brings him into conflict not only with the Imperium but also the Black Legion...
Part 2
Khârn the Betrayer and his berzerkers have achieved a bloody victory over the White Scars – but before battle’s end the Chogorian khan managed to beat a cowardly retreat. For the Champion of Khorne, no battle is won while a single enemy breathes, and so he launches a furious pursuit of his quarry across the shimmering mirror-surfaces of Haeleon, only for the planet itself to offer deadly challenges of its own. Meanwhile, the Imperium holds its breath as Abaddon the Despoiler continues his Black Crusade, and the cardinal of Salandraxis knows all too well how vulnerable they are…
Part 3
At the order of the Warmaster himself, Talomar Locq and his Hounds of Abaddon are hunting for Khârn the Betrayer. Arriving too late at the planet of Haeleon, he hopes that a seemingly derelict White Scars ship may contain the information they need to complete their hunt. Khârn seeks to understand the visions granted him by the Blood God, but what part will a showdown with the Black Legion play in his pursuit of the Red Path? Chapter Master Solucious Gaul, meanwhile, must look to his defences as his fleet attempts to safeguard a Living Saint on a vital journey through perilous space.
Part 4
Khârn the Betrayer intercepts an astropathic beacon so hatefully pure that it must be connected to his visions, but he struggles to see what Khorne bids him do. Perhaps he can find clarity in the fighting pits, deep in the bowels of the Skulltaker… Chapter Master Gaul of the Angels Eradicant must take decisive action as the Living Saint Lozepath openly heralds his return to the shrine world of Salandraxis – the seat of his throne. Locq of the Hounds of Abaddon faces his master Urkanthos and suffers the consequences for his failure to capture Khârn.
Part 5
As klaxons fill the corridors of the Skulltaker, Khârn the Betrayer and his warband prepare to repel the attack of an unexpected enemy. His ship is caught in a perilous position and overrun by hostile raiding parties, but Khârn and his Khorne Berzerkers do not give up the fight easily. Elsewhere, on the shrine world of Salandraxis, Cardinal Astral Pradillo sees the Living Saint Lozepath return to his throne for the first time in many years. Will his holiness see reason and make arrangements for his own safety?
I'd agree that the rumors about the 8th edition army boxes are unfortunately bunk. But to play devils advocate for a sec...Having the head spiritseer of a craftworld known for its use heavy of wraith constructs refered to as an oracle of the god of the dead, doesn't mean that the Eldar are then free from Slaanesh or even that Ynnead is awake.
Are all these really that far fetched when every race now has a start collecting bundle? I'm almost certain I heard they didn't want to bring the price of 40k models down, but offer a lot more box deals and sets. Which would help people get started easier, but to keep continuing collecting cost the same so they rake in that cash.
I would love it if they were real, the background is expanding on the Eldar vs Ahriman plot from the 13th black crusade, the models sound great and I would probably buy at least half of the boxes at least once. So I'm working on the assumption that its way to good to be true
Imateria wrote: Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.
Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.
If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.
If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.
Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.
Very well put and it highlights the theme of the Eldar tragedy.
I will say that what makes Eldar a dying race and not the Tau is the rate at which they can replace their loses and the longevity of sustaining their population through all this constant warfare. Tau have no issues with rapidly breeding (doing it for the greater good and all that) and considering how fast they expand and colonize planets they do seem to be quite the baby factories. Eldar seem to have a hard time (hehe) with making new pointy ear gits for some reason so each casualty would be difficult to effectively replace. That said I don't know the fluff behind why the Eldar seem to be slow at reproducing.
Reproduction doesn't seem to be the main problem, judging from the Eldar novels. It's the supply of spirit stones that's almost universally in high demand across all craftworlds. Expeditions of outcasts will be send on Crone worlds to harvest the material so the new generation can be raised in relative safety until they're ready to make their own mistakes.
Slaneesh isn't needed to continue with the Eldar tragedy, they have more than enough other problems and flaws that could be used to go with it. Even existence of Ynnead wouldn't mean invalidation of Slaneesh (both could exist) or that the Eldar would be suddenly free from perils of the warp or safely passing in the afterlife. Depending how the director would want to expand the background.
Living Saint Lozepath openly heralds his return to the shrine world of Salandraxis – the seat of his throne. Locq of the Hounds of Abaddon faces his master Urkanthos and suffers the consequences for his failure to capture Khârn.
Well will still cling to some hope that we might see you some more great images and fluff for the Sororitas as was done in Shield of Baal as its both a Shrone world and a living Saint is appearing.
Rules or models are sadly a bit much to hope for :(
Imateria wrote: Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.
Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.
If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.
If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.
Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.
As far as the Dark Eldar are concerned it wouldn't make any difference. After the Fall they didn't see any need to change there ways at all and carried on with the debauchery just as before, it was only later they found that Slaanesh was sucking on their souls and getting vampiric helped out staving off She Who Thirsts. Given that it makes them stronger in battle anyway (the whole concept of Power from Pain), no matter what does or doesn't happen to Slaanesh the Dark Eldar will not change, and they aren't really a dying civilisation thanks to the vat grown and the Haemonculi's ability to bring you back from the dead (for a price....).
Craftworld Eldar would be much harder to sort out fluff wise but far from impossible, hell the social upheavel of having to readjust to life without Slaanesh after 10 000 years alone could cause schisms within the Craftworlds. In fact I'd say overcoming their greatest enemy to find that things are still pretty damn grim for them fits into the setting well anyway.
Knight wrote: Reproduction doesn't seem to be the main problem, judging from the Eldar novels. It's the supply of spirit stones that's almost universally in high demand across all craftworlds. Expeditions of outcasts will be send on Crone worlds to harvest the material so the new generation can be raised in relative safety until they're ready to make their own mistakes.
Slaneesh isn't needed to continue with the Eldar tragedy, they have more than enough other problems and flaws that could be used to go with it. Even existence of Ynnead wouldn't mean invalidation of Slaneesh (both could exist) or that the Eldar would be suddenly free from perils of the warp or safely passing in the afterlife. Depending how the director would want to expand the background.
One of the paths i theorized it's Ynnead becoming similar to a super Exarch/Phoenix Lord for the Eldar so as they die they fuse with that personality and live on forever within him.
This leads to all Eldar spliting in 2x factions the Followers who become some kind of Zealots/berserk fighting more carelessly because they can transcend death and become part of him and the Individuals who are terrified of such fate and wish to retain their individuality and avoid death at all cost.
This can be easily put in motion just by finally collapsing the Webway forcing the Black Library into realspace and all Craftworlds gathering around just to protect it as a desperate measure and the proximity of all the Craftworlds infinity circuits awakening Ynnead finally.
Imateria wrote: Craftworld Eldar would be much harder to sort out fluff wise but far from impossible, hell the social upheavel of having to readjust to life without Slaanesh after 10 000 years alone could cause schisms within the Craftworlds. In fact I'd say overcoming their greatest enemy to find that things are still pretty damn grim for them fits into the setting well anyway.
Especially as the "no slaanesh" would only be temporal state anyway. They would need to prepare for the comeback right away.
re the Eldar - the Craftworld Paths and the Dark Eldar soul draining are not the only ways.
Corsairs survive without either Soul Stones or soul drain and Eldar from either of the two prime communities can become Corsairs.
Its risky - whats not clear is if Corsairs are all adults when they choose this life or if they have children in the void and have to teech the how to survive..
Mr Morden wrote: re the Eldar - the Craftworld Paths and the Dark Eldar soul draining are not the only ways.
Corsairs survive without either Soul Stones or soul drain and Eldar from either of the two prime communities can become Corsairs.
Its risky - whats not clear is if Corsairs are all adults when they choose this life or if they have children in the void and have to teech the how to survive..
You don't die without spirit stone. But what happens after you die? Where in fluff it states they avoid having soul consumed after dying?
Is being corsair state of avoiding soul consumption or gambling that they don't suffer death for excitement.
Mr Morden wrote: re the Eldar - the Craftworld Paths and the Dark Eldar soul draining are not the only ways.
Corsairs survive without either Soul Stones or soul drain and Eldar from either of the two prime communities can become Corsairs.
Its risky - whats not clear is if Corsairs are all adults when they choose this life or if they have children in the void and have to teech the how to survive..
Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.
With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.
And having slaanesh off for a while before return is bad idea...how? As it is slaanesh is unlikely to get new models anyway before comes back in aos so in practice what change to slaanesh? Have him off for a while though opens up new possibilities in fluff.
Why don't you explain where there are any "40K" indications of Slaanesh being taken off the table? Then explain why it would be a good idea. Slaanesh got plenty of face time in End Times. Slaanesh was the only god that actually manifested and took direct action in the war. In AOS Slaanesh has a major story line that will tie into hir return.
Also of all Slaanesh doesn't need new models, outside of a the Keeper of Secrets and Fiends. Just like Nurgle and Tzeentch need their greater Daemons, elites. Slaanesh did get new plastic kits, years before others. If having Slaanesh gone opens up new possibilities for the Fluff the same could be said for the other three. Which is why every time getting rid of Slaanesh comes up its simple bias. I don't like it and never mind the people that do.
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.
No Ynnead being a nascent godling like the star child is perfectly fine. I'd even support that. But what they're talking about is Ynnead actually being powerful enough to defeat Slaanesh. Despite Slaanesh having devoured 99.9% of all Eldar souls. Despite having devoured the majority of the Eldar pantheon. Despite all the humans and aliens souls that its fed on since its birth. Despite being worshiped by vastly more beings, and drawing on fundamental emotions. Somehow Ynnead is going to beat Slaanesh, how? I mean even Harlies knows its preposterous. Which is why Cegorach plans to trick Slaanesh into using her power to restore the Eldar.
Why don't you explain where there are any "40K" indications of Slaanesh being taken off the table? Then explain why it would be a good idea. Slaanesh got plenty of face time in End Times. Slaanesh was the only god that actually manifested and took direct action in the war. In AOS Slaanesh has a major story line that will tie into hir return.
Howabout the whole eldar plan that's been hinted in recent books?
There's hints pointing that and Slaanesh is not going to get any new models until it comes back in AOS. Having him off screen gives GW good excuse to not releasing models for Slaanesh in 40k so for all intents and purposes slaanesh is already out of support in 40k as it is...Having him taken temporarily off would at least give better excuse for no support than "no models".
You seriously 100% straight face think there's 0% chance GW doesn't temporarily write off slaanesh in 40k as a reason to no models until it comes back in 40k and AOS? There's already hints toward that plan in 40k fluff(funnily which you mentioned yourself) though GW DOESN'T NEED FLUFF REASONS IN OLD BOOKS! If they want him off they can do it even if it requires rewriting eldar fluff from scratch. It doesn't matter what you or I think is logical. It doesn't matter what was written in last codex. What matters is what GW decides to do.
I feel like this CSM thing coming in the near future will a CSM vs Eldar themed campaign. Platsic Eldrad and Kharn models are a good start. I'm hoping Ahriman will be next, perhaps Plastic Phoenix lords as well.
pepsuber wrote: I feel like this CSM thing coming in the near future will a CSM vs Eldar themed campaign. Platsic Eldrad and Kharn models are a good start. I'm hoping Ahriman will be next, perhaps Plastic Phoenix lords as well.
That seems beyond unlikely to me. At best campaign involving Eldar and CSM is what I expect.
pepsuber wrote: I feel like this CSM thing coming in the near future will a CSM vs Eldar themed campaign. Platsic Eldrad and Kharn models are a good start. I'm hoping Ahriman will be next, perhaps Plastic Phoenix lords as well.
That seems beyond unlikely to me. At best campaign involving Eldar and CSM is what I expect.
A part 2 of Fenris could easily see Magnus (and Tzeentch) leading the chaos effort to destroy the Wolves and destabilize the Imperium, while it would make perfect sense for one of the other prescient planners, one opposed to chaos, to get involved.
pepsuber wrote: I feel like this CSM thing coming in the near future will a CSM vs Eldar themed campaign. Platsic Eldrad and Kharn models are a good start. I'm hoping Ahriman will be next, perhaps Plastic Phoenix lords as well.
That seems beyond unlikely to me. At best campaign involving Eldar and CSM is what I expect.
A part 2 of Fenris could easily see Magnus (and Tzeentch) leading the chaos effort to destroy the Wolves and destabilize the Imperium, while it would make perfect sense for one of the other prescient planners, one opposed to chaos, to get involved.
Seems more likely that Fenris pt2 will give rules for Chaos, Grey Knights and Space Wolves only. Probably Space Marines too. Eldar are not likely to pop up.
Kharn was supposed to be on the cover / in the new monthly White Dwarf that releases in September? This note from Atia's blog suggests that the new White Dwarf will be a "look back" on the prior month instead of a look ahead like it has normally been. That means we should expect an August release for Kharn / other 40k goodies.
Informations regarding the new formate of the WD - via AdHocGames, TGA Community, via his GW trade reps
"Just gotten off the phone with my rep, not much AoS to report on but i did get some information about the new White Dwarf launching in september. As you probably all know it's going back to monthly publication BUT the release schedule is remaining a weekly one. New releases will be announced first via social media, White Dwarf itself will be looking back on the past months releases, talking about the hobby etc. The goal is to move it away from just being an advertisement, and instead a must buy for hobbyists again.
I also found out what the free gift with the first issue is. Alas i cannot say, i've been sworn to secrecy. I can confirm though that it's a miniature, and it will be for AoS. If you were to look at items priced £18, you'd get a clearer idea of what to expect."
Khorne Bloodbound Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrathhammer
Slaughterpriest
Aspiring Deathbringer with Goreaxe and Skullhammer
Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear
Skullgrinder
Skarr Bloodwrath
Social media releases is a better way to do things. A very forward movement for GW, considering their past. Good to hear.
As for the sigmar freebie, if it's a brand new model, that would be great. If not, (most likely of the two) then of well. Hard to complain about free stuff when you plan on picking the mag up anyways.
Because a Sigmarine is useful to 99% of their fanbase...
I am really surprised they didn't do a Space Marine. They are the top selling army. Instead, a good majority of players will either see the AOS character and turn away(40K only players) or see that it is just another Sigmarine and turn away (non-Stormcast players). For being their "best cover mount ever" they sure dropped the ball.
Because a Sigmarine is useful to 99% of their fanbase...
I am really surprised they didn't do a Space Marine. They are the top selling army. Instead, a good majority of players will either see the AOS character and turn away(40K only players) or see that it is just another Sigmarine and turn away (non-Stormcast players). For being their "best cover mount ever" they sure dropped the ball.
I was just making a joke about how it's Space Marines in Fantasy
I'm surprised they didn't take this opportunity to make it one of the new "Dwarf" models. Though I guess it could still be.
A Whyte Dwrf could be cool. Where did I put that 25 years of GW model again? An Impaling Spear Khorne guy or another Bloodbound guy would be preferable as a tie-in with Gorechosen and to celebrate the returm of Khârn. But it'll be a Sigmarine.
How does one GET one of those new oldschool WDs though? The AoS issue was sold out minutes after the hobby store opened (and I'm in another city this time) and online was a wasteland as well. I don't want to chance a subscription yet (oh glorious youth), especially with no deal still running.
Binabik15 wrote: A Whyte Dwrf could be cool. Where did I put that 25 years of GW model again? An Impaling Spear Khorne guy or another Bloodbound guy would be preferable as a tie-in with Gorechosen and to celebrate the returm of Khârn. But it'll be a Sigmarine.
Binabik15 wrote: A Whyte Dwrf could be cool. Where did I put that 25 years of GW model again? An Impaling Spear Khorne guy or another Bloodbound guy would be preferable as a tie-in with Gorechosen and to celebrate the returm of Khârn. But it'll be a Sigmarine.
Warhams-77 wrote: The Deathwatch release could be in August if that source quoted by War of Sigmar is correct. And the Chaos stuff... confusion confusion
That would be cool. I wouldn't mind getting it sooner than expected.
Binabik15 wrote:
How does one GET one of those new oldschool WDs though? The AoS issue was sold out minutes after the hobby store opened (and I'm in another city this time) and online was a wasteland as well. I don't want to chance a subscription yet (oh glorious youth), especially with no deal still running.
Sold out because it was popular, or sold out because not enough was made/given to the store?
It just seems GW is not producing as much anymore so they can hype us up form everything being "sold out". The old Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo trick.
Binabik15 wrote: A Whyte Dwrf could be cool. Where did I put that 25 years of GW model again? An Impaling Spear Khorne guy or another Bloodbound guy would be preferable as a tie-in with Gorechosen and to celebrate the returm of Khârn. But it'll be a Sigmarine.
White dwarf sigmarined...
Not Fyre Slyre'd?
Since they are hellbent on ramming sigmarines down to people's throat no.
(and as much as I hate according to the lore they have written sigmarines is more logical place than fyre slayers. white dwarf if any dwarf would be deemed worthy of being turned to sigmarine)
'Marketing new line' =/= 'ramming down your throat'. C'maaan peeps, the level of angry hyperbole and 'zomg so angry the free thing isn't exactly what I want' is a little silly. I'd love a free CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT but I'm not gonna have an internet tantrum about it. A free thing from a company not known for anything cheap, let alone free, is pretty cool. And at the end of the day it's only a come on to get you to buy the mag - if the mag isn't your cup of tea, and neither is the model, NO-ONE HAS PERSONALLY WRONGED YOU!
I subbed, screw it. GW output lately is good, mag is cheap enough. Let's give it a go and if awful I'll unsub after first quarter. Any free mini can be converted into something useful for my 40K stuff or Necromunda, so I don't really care what it is, and I can laugh at how weird the beakie marine looks in the comic sampler with issue #2. Good times.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But anyway... where is the Kharn ShakyCam (tm) picture leak? I wanna seeeeee....
Binabik15 wrote:
How does one GET one of those new oldschool WDs though? The AoS issue was sold out minutes after the hobby store opened (and I'm in another city this time) and online was a wasteland as well. I don't want to chance a subscription yet (oh glorious youth), especially with no deal still running.
Sold out because it was popular, or sold out because not enough was made/given to the store?
It just seems GW is not producing as much anymore so they can hype us up form everything being "sold out". The old Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo trick.
Both I'd say, as it was unavailable both online and offline and not even people we know in a bookstore selling magazines could get another copy from the distributor. I could have bought every other Nu-WD released until then from the hobby store though, so it must have been real demand for that first Sigmarine.
In the Gorechosen thread Chikout said the new WD has the Slaughterpriest, if that's true I'll need THREE copies. At least. My favourite Khorne model, maybe ever. Just a tad tall
Crazy prediction time. White dwarf 131 is the last weekly white dwarf. The September wd is looking back so codex Deathwatch will go up for preorder on August 6th and release on the 13th.
bubber wrote: If the new WD is looking 'back', won't the first monthly issue just be the last 4 weeklys bundled together....
No. There are no white dwarf weekly issues in August. 131 is the last. It is this gap that makes me believe the new WD is looking back.
thats quite odd for a monthly mag. normally you get Septembers issue in aug, etc
They may yet call issue 1 the October issue, but it comes out on September 2 and will probably cover the August releases including Deathwatch, Kharn etc. I am expecting to see a teaser on the 40k Facebook page on Monday, either for Deathwatch or the next campaign book.
bubber wrote: If the new WD is looking 'back', won't the first monthly issue just be the last 4 weeklys bundled together....
No. There are no white dwarf weekly issues in August. 131 is the last. It is this gap that makes me believe the new WD is looking back.
thats quite odd for a monthly mag. normally you get Septembers issue in aug, etc
They may yet call issue 1 the October issue, but it comes out on September 2 and will probably cover the August releases including Deathwatch, Kharn etc. I am expecting to see a teaser on the 40k Facebook page on Monday, either for Deathwatch or the next campaign book.
This is what my local GW-guy said : New WD will cover the releases of the last month i.e. : september WD covers august releases.
I think they will move the "new release" stuff to online media, maybe add a small section on whats to come in the WD - as in " pre-order now and get it in 1/2/3 weeks in our shop".
I think the mag will cover the releases for the last half of the previous month and the first half of the coming month that way theres only a 2week wait and they only have to do one online release announcement each month
bubber wrote: If the new WD is looking 'back', won't the first monthly issue just be the last 4 weeklys bundled together....
No. There are no white dwarf weekly issues in August. 131 is the last. It is this gap that makes me believe the new WD is looking back.
thats quite odd for a monthly mag. normally you get Septembers issue in aug, etc
They may yet call issue 1 the October issue, but it comes out on September 2 and will probably cover the August releases including Deathwatch, Kharn etc. I am expecting to see a teaser on the 40k Facebook page on Monday, either for Deathwatch or the next campaign book.
Which is very stupid for a magazine to do I mean the old WD had upcoming stuff. Unless it has decent hobby content it is going to fail.
migooo wrote: Which is very stupid for a magazine to do I mean the old WD had upcoming stuff. Unless it has decent hobby content it is going to fail.
Well hopefully they will limit the new product ads to minimum. That's not much of interesting in long term unlike hobby content. I still find use for hobby content pages from WD's of 90's. New kit ads don't hold up that well.
In days of internet magazines aren't that good place of putting in product ads anyway. So hopefully less of that, more of hobby content. One can hope!
(still waiting with anticipiation when news comes on just WHERE one can buy the new WD. Hopefully in same places I could buy WD before it went weekly)
While ads for new kits don't interest me much after the initial publication date (and even then, depends on the kit) I always love reading designer notes. I really hope they leverage that and we get to hear more about the decisions that went into making any given minis.
Opportunity Beckons! Become a Sergeant
by The Warhammer Community Team
Attention troopers,
Due to increased enemy activity along our patrol routes, and what can only be described as a series of unfortunate incidents, there are now unparalleled opportunities for advancement. At this time, fully one hundred squads are operating without a Sergeant. These hard-to-come-by* positions could be filled by you!
As a Sergeant you will not only receive the respect** of your men, but you will also benefit from better pay, higher quality rations and access to a spare uniform***.
Such is the current need to fill these positions that we are waiving the normal Sergeant’s exam. Instead, promotion will be allocated on a first come basis. If you think you have what it takes to become a Sergeant and lead a squad into battle, report to muster ground XIV at first light.
Please read the below in preparation:
1
As you are no doubt aware, Sergeant rank is denoted by three nested chevrons. This is no coincidence. Battle doctrine dictates that there are three important rules when charged with the role of Squad Sergeant:
1.Your Sergeant’s patch must be sewn onto your left sleeve. It should be positioned away from any webbing or wargear attachments in order that the enemy can clearly see it and fear you.
2.You must at all times be able to locate, and manoeuvre to, the middle of your squad. It is impossible to mount a successful operation from any other position.
3.Lastly, and most importantly, you must be able to wield a chainsword. Indeed it is impossible to effectively lead a squad without one. Chainswords are more than just weapons****. They are totems of your Emperor-granted authority. Use them to direct your squad’s fire, order an advance, and signal victory with a glorious thrust into the air (see bulletin #723-89A for advice on heroic poses)2
Glory awaits. May the Emperor guide you.
Thought for the day:
“The courageous shall forever walk in the Emperor’s light.”
*Generally speaking, squads that lose their Sergeant die in the confusion of battle due to lack of leadership, removing the need for a replacement
**Doubtful
***Incorrect at time of publication
****While your chainsword can also be used as a weapon, this is of secondary importance. The spinning, barbed teeth will throw blood and viscera all over your uniform, obscuring your Sergeant’s patch. If you must engage the enemy with your chainsword (ie, if you have failed in your duty to annihilate them at range), you may be well advised to use it as a sturdy club instead. Any damage to the weapon will be taken from your pay.
Brother SRM wrote: While ads for new kits don't interest me much after the initial publication date (and even then, depends on the kit) I always love reading designer notes. I really hope they leverage that and we get to hear more about the decisions that went into making any given minis.
Exactly. I hope that besides hobby content, fluff and rules there'll be meaty sections about the mini design process like in the old days, talking about moulding, milling steel moulds, coming up with ideas, etc. They don'T have to do it for everthing, but that's a nice way to plug one or two kits a month. Doesn't even have to be new stuff! Not a few lines about "I gave them weapon X beacause Y", but "Nurgle has three motifs: the fallen knight, the leper and the demon; to represent this, we did YXZ" mixed with tech, techniques and maybe a few concept sketches and maybe even *gasp* rejected designs.
CragHack wrote: Anyone knows anything about new HH box? BoLS says it's going to be MK3 armours, but I refuse to believe it, because after all it's BoLS
It won't be. Based on rumors, the boxed set will HH Thousand Sons, complete with Ahriman in plastic. Thousand Sons had a unique mark based off of Mk IV, so expect reissues of the Mk IV with an upgrade kit of some sort. The logical other army would be Space Wolves, who wore all sorts of marks.
CragHack wrote: Anyone knows anything about new HH box? BoLS says it's going to be MK3 armours, but I refuse to believe it, because after all it's BoLS
It won't be. Based on rumors, the boxed set will HH Thousand Sons, complete with Ahriman in plastic. Thousand Sons had a unique mark based off of Mk IV, so expect reissues of the Mk IV with an upgrade kit of some sort. The logical other army would be Space Wolves, who wore all sorts of marks.
CragHack wrote: Anyone knows anything about new HH box? BoLS says it's going to be MK3 armours, but I refuse to believe it, because after all it's BoLS
It won't be. Based on rumors, the boxed set will HH Thousand Sons, complete with Ahriman in plastic. Thousand Sons had a unique mark based off of Mk IV, so expect reissues of the Mk IV with an upgrade kit of some sort. The logical other army would be Space Wolves, who wore all sorts of marks.
Yeeaaah, that was too good to be true
Well, considering that the person providing the rumors, Sad Panda, has a 100% correct rating, whereas BoLS is almost universally regarded as 100% Pants-On-Fire Liars, I know which one I am inclined to believe.
CragHack wrote: Anyone knows anything about new HH box? BoLS says it's going to be MK3 armours, but I refuse to believe it, because after all it's BoLS
It won't be. Based on rumors, the boxed set will HH Thousand Sons, complete with Ahriman in plastic. Thousand Sons had a unique mark based off of Mk IV, so expect reissues of the Mk IV with an upgrade kit of some sort. The logical other army would be Space Wolves, who wore all sorts of marks.
Yeeaaah, that was too good to be true
Well, considering that the person providing the rumors, Sad Panda, has a 100% correct rating, whereas BoLS is almost universally regarded as 100% Pants-On-Fire Liars, I know which one I am inclined to believe.
It'll probably be mk4 marines, a librarian character, a melee character, and two new special units. Maybe Tartaros and boarding marines, and another contemptor?
Though, if they included boarding marines as mk4 rather than mk3, that'd be silly. Especially since mk2/3 were practically made for boarding marines.
... just to be 100% clear you're saying that plastic Sisters of Silence and Custodes will be in the next HH board game and not talking about FW producing resin ones to coincide with the release of Inferno, right?
EDIT: Good to know it'll be MKIII and not more MKIV, though I must admit I was hoping for MKII myself (with MKIII being in a Battle of Phall box).
Sad Panda wrote: MKIII isn't wrong. But no mention of Sisters or Custodes? Odd.
If the box contents are similar to Calth, does this mean Wolves may see something like 10 Mk III marines, then a unit of 5 sisters and 2-5 custodes to replace the terminators, and a PA leader? Sorcerer/librarian would be almost a given for Thousand sons, and 10-20 troops (either more mk III or even maybe a unit of 10 Mk III and 10 mk IV to make 2 different unit types) but then what would take the place of the contemptor?
If I may ask, would you happen to know how close the sisters of silence are to the sisters of battle, model wise? Also, thank you again for all of your magnificent work. You are a blessing to this community!
Wait, wait, so is Panda being sarcastic and you are just follow-up trolling or is it for real? That's the line where you don't really know what to believe in...
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without the righteous zeal duo of the Templars and Sisters.
