Nice find - looking at it there doesn't seem to be any chaos markings. I wonder if this then is the character spruce for the new 30k plastic release that has been rumored.
Wow! Looking pretty good, I wonder if he'll be a part of a box set release like Eldrad? He gives off the vive of the Dark Vengeance chosen, plenty of detail but retaining an eye catching aesthetic.
It looks like it has the Magnus eye on the right pauldron and the Octed star on the left.
I am glad that they didn't go all ornate like they did with the DV boxset as although the minis are beautiful it looks a bit odd when they are amongst my normal chaos bods.
Pilau Rice wrote: It looks like it has the Magnus eye on the right pauldron and the Octed star on the left.
I am glad that they didn't go all ornate like they did with the DV boxset as although the minis are beautiful it looks a bit odd when they are amongst my normal chaos bods.
That's not the octed, that's their legion symbol. Also if you look at the first picture in the bottom right corner. That's MkIII armor. The helmet is looking away from us but you can clearly see the face place "grill". My guess is that's a dead Space Wolf for someone to stand on.
Pilau Rice wrote: It looks like it has the Magnus eye on the right pauldron and the Octed star on the left.
I am glad that they didn't go all ornate like they did with the DV boxset as although the minis are beautiful it looks a bit odd when they are amongst my normal chaos bods.
That's not the octed, that's their legion symbol. Also if you look at the first picture in the bottom right corner. That's MkIII armor. The helmet is looking away from us but you can clearly see the face place "grill". My guess is that's a dead Space Wolf for someone to stand on.
My bad, sorry, I was thinking of the current symbol. So this would be for 30k then.
Model looks so good it makes me want to turn to chaos!
I assume this will be just like BaC where there is Ahirman and a SW character with an assortment of generic troop choices in MkIII around them that will allow you to buy the bits to make any chapter.
I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Custodes and SoS could just be a handful of models, we dont have specific information yet, but they are plastic and in the board game according to Sad Panda.
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
Timing seems about right for this to be a mid-to-late September release. Didn't we get the first pics of Eldrad about a month before the Death Masque release?
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
He does bat 100%. Check his post history. He said we would see a plastic Ahriman painted red among other things. A quote from him is as good as seeing official photos.
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
It's worth noting that, as mentioned by Chikout, Sad Panda does bat 100%.
It is also worth noting however that unless you read the postings here or on Lady Atia's blog? The likelihood of the less trustworthy rumor sites(Faeit, BoLS, Naftka) adding their own crap in and crediting it to him goes up.
Although, if you were a GW employee somewhere along the chain and wanted to provide leaks......
What better way to accomplish that, then to sneak a sprue into a random box and hope this is what happens.
I'm getting a chuckle just thinking about some packer dropping random sprues in boxed sets going out. Probably complaining about his low wage and "this will teach them!" under his breath.
The original quote from Sad Panda regarding Custodes and Sisters
Sad Panda
Matt.Kingsley
... just to be 100% clear you're saying that plastic Sisters of Silence and Custodes will be in the next HH board game and not talking about FW producing resin ones to coincide with the release of Inferno, right?
Yeah. Plastic. I have no idea what FW is planning.
That is a really lovely model. It's great to see what GW is doing with 3D sculpting and plastic casting. They manage a lot of dynamism despite the limitations of sprues.
With that being said, I'm really hoping this set isn't entirely army themed. I have no interest in 1kson or space wolf marines.
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (52 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 8/5/2016
angelofvengeance wrote: Why do Custodes and Sisters of Silence turn up, then? I don't really follow the 1k Sons and Space Wolves spat.
Everyone good here? Everybody having a good day? I'm typing out some stuff to block the spoilers I'm about to post for "A Thousand Sons" and "Prospero Burns" from showing up in the thread preview!
Spoiler:
When the Space Wolves come to punish Magnus and the Thousand Sons for ignoring the Edict of Nikea, they are not alone. A band of Custodes come with them(representing the Emperor himself censuring the Thousand Sons and Magnus), as does a veritable army of Sisters of Silence. Remember that with the Sisters of Silence, every single one of them is a Pariah. Going against a Legion of psykers on a world where everyone has a bit of latent psyker talent with no anti-psyker protection would have been stupid--and again, it's a measure of the Emperor's wrath that not only are the Wolves there to burn the place but to destroy everything. This isn't just punishment or a war.
This was extermination. This was erasing the Thousand Sons from the annals of history. There's a reason the tagline on "A Thousand Sons" is "All is Dust...". The Wolves left nothing on Prospero.
angelofvengeance wrote: Why do Custodes and Sisters of Silence turn up, then? I don't really follow the 1k Sons and Space Wolves spat.
Custodes were a sign of the Emperor's judgement on the Thousand Sons. So everyone knew the Wolves were acting in the Emperor's name. The Sisters were anti psyker specialists. Pretty necessary when you were sent to bring the most powerful psyker Primarch and his Legion to task.
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (52 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 8/5/2016
Oh, sure, he's only at 52/53. Not always 100%.
Since he's got one 'Partially True/Vague' shouldn't that be 52.5/53
Based on how they are being introduced I would assume they will be an allied unit. Unless GW is going to include these models in hopes that it will encourage people to buy other Sisters or Custodes kits down the road.
Thanatos73 wrote: Wasn't the last FW rumor that the Custodes would be getting a full army list in the next HH book but Sisters would just be allied choices for now?
Yes, it was said at the last FW event, reports are on the Battle Bunnies blog
angelofvengeance wrote: Why do Custodes and Sisters of Silence turn up, then? I don't really follow the 1k Sons and Space Wolves spat.
Everyone good here? Everybody having a good day? I'm typing out some stuff to block the spoilers I'm about to post for "A Thousand Sons" and "Prospero Burns" from showing up in the thread preview!
Spoiler:
When the Space Wolves come to punish Magnus and the Thousand Sons for ignoring the Edict of Nikea, they are not alone. A band of Custodes come with them(representing the Emperor himself censuring the Thousand Sons and Magnus), as does a veritable army of Sisters of Silence. Remember that with the Sisters of Silence, every single one of them is a Pariah. Going against a Legion of psykers on a world where everyone has a bit of latent psyker talent with no anti-psyker protection would have been stupid--and again, it's a measure of the Emperor's wrath that not only are the Wolves there to burn the place but to destroy everything. This isn't just punishment or a war.
This was extermination. This was erasing the Thousand Sons from the annals of history. There's a reason the tagline on "A Thousand Sons" is "All is Dust...". The Wolves left nothing on Prospero.
Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the utter devastation was the result of Horus' 'interpreting' the E's orders to Leman Russ and upping the punishment, to cause maximum damage for all concerned? The emperor wanted them kicked hard but not the entire planet laid waste.
Everyone good here? Everybody having a good day? I'm typing out some stuff to block the spoilers I'm about to post for "A Thousand Sons" and "Prospero Burns" from showing up in the thread preview!
Spoiler:
When the Space Wolves come to punish Magnus and the Thousand Sons for ignoring the Edict of Nikea, they are not alone. A band of Custodes come with them(representing the Emperor himself censuring the Thousand Sons and Magnus), as does a veritable army of Sisters of Silence. Remember that with the Sisters of Silence, every single one of them is a Pariah. Going against a Legion of psykers on a world where everyone has a bit of latent psyker talent with no anti-psyker protection would have been stupid--and again, it's a measure of the Emperor's wrath that not only are the Wolves there to burn the place but to destroy everything. This isn't just punishment or a war.
This was extermination. This was erasing the Thousand Sons from the annals of history. There's a reason the tagline on "A Thousand Sons" is "All is Dust...". The Wolves left nothing on Prospero.
Spoiler:
I was under the impression that the utter devastation was the result of Horus' 'interpreting' the E's orders to Leman Russ and upping the punishment, to cause maximum damage for all concerned? The emperor wanted them kicked hard but not the entire planet laid waste.
Spoiler:
That's definitely a part of it, but Horus isn't the one who tasked the Custodes or Sisters of Silence from joining the fight.
ulgurstasta wrote: How ironic, been waiting ages for new/plastic Thousand sons and when it finally comes out it´s for 30k
Shouldn't be that big of a deal though right? I use my 30k minis in 40k assuming they don't have wargear that is 30k only. The look is a little different ,but it might be cool to mix some older armor styles into your army.
Nevelon wrote: The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Yeah. I will have zero use for SW specific figures. Hopefully the troops are generic MKIII.
Arhiman looks good. Not sure I can live without new plastic TS.
Nevelon wrote: The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Yeah. I will have zero use for SW specific figures. Hopefully the troops are generic MKIII.
Arhiman looks good. Not sure I can live without new plastic TS.
Same here. As it stands as a traitor player I have no use for custodies and SoS, and really hoping for a lot of mkiii for my iron warriors.
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Yay so we on w more about a random sorceror than the new csm supplement as of now im calling it fake
Which "new CSM supplement" rumor are we talking about here?
Because by and large that has been a strictly BoLS/Faeit/Naftka rumormongering thing.
The one atia told us about
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Shigematsu wrote: Ahriman is the top Sorcerer and more or less Tzeentchs top champion in the CSM.
How exactly is he a random sorcerer?
You do realise the majority of csm players don't play thousand sons right
No but it's not like Ahriman is a total nobody, he didn't single handedly reduce a whole legion to dust and become embroiled in eldar fates by being some random dude (not a thousand sons player here)
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Yay so we on w more about a random sorceror than the new csm supplement as of now im calling it fake
Which "new CSM supplement" rumor are we talking about here?
Because by and large that has been a strictly BoLS/Faeit/Naftka rumormongering thing.
The one atia told us about
When? Where? Got a link?
If you can't even provide a basic modicum of information about the rumor you're raging about, it's difficult for people to be able to reply to you.
For the record though? There are two rumors going on right now. This one is likely the one you're talking about:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jul 2016 via a friendly raven ^.^
"First monthly white dwarf has the new Khârn in it (leaning forward charging).
Also a campaign type book with new rules for Chaos Space Marines. It's not a new Codex, but does have cool new rules.
Also included is the new Deathwatch Codex TRUE with Artemis Model TRUE and the new flyer for them. Looks like a mix between a tau and imperial flyer." TRUE
As always, take it with a tiny bit of salt but that one is usually pretty spot on =)
Regards, Lady Atia
So, remember that the "first monthly White Dwarf" comes out in September and is covering the entirety of August's releases with snippets of September's releases shown within. Kharn is supposed to be on the cover with a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade model as the free model.
Then there's this rumor, which many people started to believe was saying "RUBRICAE IN THE FALL!":
PENDING Chaos Rumors - June 2016
Anyone still hyped about Tzeentch? Yes? Great. Here some snippets to avoid all possible confusions:
- Forgeworld will do the Prospero Magnus. In resin. Around Fall, for the Inferno release (as I think Russ may be ready for sale for the next Open Day). There are no "problems", Simon Egan just was afraid of both the horns on his chest and his face. He will be the largest Primarch. And of course FW will continue to produce the 30k Primarchs.
- GW will use the Daemon Primarchs for their ongoing storyline. Because that's the things that "are more interesting". You can use them for both 30k and 40k games, more people buy plastic models than resin. Magnus is finished. But please don't expect all 5/6 Daemon Primarchs tomorrow lol.
- GW already did them (Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim) in EPIC. They all work as large focus models for their respective Cults.
- I wouldn't expect this stuff before the Summer is over. Relax, enjoy your Sylvaneth and play some games using your Handbook.
- Tzeentch Arcanites, Thousand Sons, Daemons of Tzeentch. #YearOfTzeentch (btw, don't take the year as year but more as ~12 months lol). Also, these aren't next in line, so again, don't expect this tomorrow ...
Last but not least, a quote from Sad Panda that summs it quite up
"Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.
There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example." DUPLICATE
So, let's chill and enjoy our summer =)
regards, Lady Atia
So kindly before raging at the rumormongers with accurate history because they don't chime in that they have information on something you're excited for, take a few minutes to peruse Pretre's Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracker. Take a few minutes and read through the list of rumors. Pretre goes out of his way to make that tracker and it's a huuuuuuuuge deal when it comes to figuring out who to lend credence to and who to ignore outright.
SpyderG6 wrote: I'm surprised they are putting Sisters and Custodes in the box. Just seems like they might be better served by coming out with other units that would presumably in the same codex like they have previously.
Sad Panda does not always bat 100%.
Sisters and Custodes will be in the Forge World Prospero book, but whether they will be in this box I would wait for confirmation.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (52 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 8/5/2016
Oh, sure, he's only at 52/53. Not always 100%.
Since he's got one 'Partially True/Vague' shouldn't that be 52.5/53
So kindly before raging at the rumormongers with accurate history because they don't chime in that they have information on something you're excited for, take a few minutes to peruse Pretre's Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracker. Take a few minutes and read through the list of rumors. Pretre goes out of his way to make that tracker and it's a huuuuuuuuge deal when it comes to figuring out who to lend credence to and who to ignore outright.
Nevelon wrote: The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Yeah. I will have zero use for SW specific figures. Hopefully the troops are generic MKIII.
Arhiman looks good. Not sure I can live without new plastic TS.
Same here. As it stands as a traitor player I have no use for custodies and SoS, and really hoping for a lot of mkiii for my iron warriors.
I will definitely be trading most or all SoS and Custodes stuff for more of whatever the Astartes side gets. Mk III would probably go to my Salamanders, although I could use them in my Alpha Legion, too. Really want to know what the rest of the box contains, and hope we get some good solid rumors on that soon.
Meanwhile, I just have to keep saving my pennies, as the Mechanicum army i'd like to start will never have the wide appeal needed to get a sweet, and massively discounted, plastic box. :-p
Add me to the group hoping for generic troops. One box to add to my 30k Ultras and one to mash up with BaC leftovers to make a small 1ksons or Wolves force. Also hoping that GW will have Magnus loyalists in 40k still wearing the red and gold when the next part of warzone Fenris comes around.
Nevelon wrote: The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Yeah. I will have zero use for SW specific figures. Hopefully the troops are generic MKIII.
Arhiman looks good. Not sure I can live without new plastic TS.
Same here. As it stands as a traitor player I have no use for custodies and SoS, and really hoping for a lot of mkiii for my iron warriors.
I will definitely be trading most or all SoS and Custodes stuff for more of whatever the Astartes side gets. Mk III would probably go to my Salamanders, although I could use them in my Alpha Legion, too. Really want to know what the rest of the box contains, and hope we get some good solid rumors on that soon.
It sounds like it's 1ksons in current plastic mk4 vs space wolves in the new mk3 plus custodes and sos. I'm worried it will give us something like 10 mk3 and 30 mk4 since the mk3 "side" gets the custodes and sos
GoatboyBeta wrote: Add me to the group hoping for generic troops. One box to add to my 30k Ultras and one to mash up with BaC leftovers to make a small 1ksons or Wolves force. Also hoping that GW will have Magnus loyalists in 40k still wearing the red and gold when the next part of warzone Fenris comes around.
Nevelon wrote: The inclusion of generic kits will make or break this for me. I’m OK with named characters I’ll not use, but the more stuff in the box that’s useless to me, the less it’s value is.
I’ve earmarked a large chunk of my hobby budget for it, hoping that it’s full of generic stuff. I’d love to get the details, so if it is not worth it to add to my Ultramarines, I can reallocate those funds to some of the other new shiny things that have been tempting me all summer.
Yeah. I will have zero use for SW specific figures. Hopefully the troops are generic MKIII.
Arhiman looks good. Not sure I can live without new plastic TS.
Same here. As it stands as a traitor player I have no use for custodies and SoS, and really hoping for a lot of mkiii for my iron warriors.
I will definitely be trading most or all SoS and Custodes stuff for more of whatever the Astartes side gets. Mk III would probably go to my Salamanders, although I could use them in my Alpha Legion, too. Really want to know what the rest of the box contains, and hope we get some good solid rumors on that soon.
Considering the last BAC set got rules for 40k.
I'm expecting the custodes to get 40k rules since they will be straight model representations in 30k and 40k.
And I'm hoping GW uses the sisters of silence as a way to merge the sisters of silence and sisters of battle. They are both heretic hunting armies and lord knows the sisters of battle need the models for thier army and they would be so much more badarse having access to pariahs.
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Yay so we on w more about a random sorceror than the new csm supplement as of now im calling it fake
Which "new CSM supplement" rumor are we talking about here?
Because by and large that has been a strictly BoLS/Faeit/Naftka rumormongering thing.
The one atia told us about
When? Where? Got a link?
If you can't even provide a basic modicum of information about the rumor you're raging about, it's difficult for people to be able to reply to you.
For the record though? There are two rumors going on right now. This one is likely the one you're talking about:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jul 2016 via a friendly raven ^.^
"First monthly white dwarf has the new Khârn in it (leaning forward charging).
Also a campaign type book with new rules for Chaos Space Marines. It's not a new Codex, but does have cool new rules.
Also included is the new Deathwatch Codex TRUE with Artemis Model TRUE and the new flyer for them. Looks like a mix between a tau and imperial flyer." TRUE
As always, take it with a tiny bit of salt but that one is usually pretty spot on =)
Regards, Lady Atia
So, remember that the "first monthly White Dwarf" comes out in September and is covering the entirety of August's releases with snippets of September's releases shown within. Kharn is supposed to be on the cover with a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade model as the free model.
Then there's this rumor, which many people started to believe was saying "RUBRICAE IN THE FALL!":
PENDING Chaos Rumors - June 2016
Anyone still hyped about Tzeentch? Yes? Great. Here some snippets to avoid all possible confusions:
- Forgeworld will do the Prospero Magnus. In resin. Around Fall, for the Inferno release (as I think Russ may be ready for sale for the next Open Day). There are no "problems", Simon Egan just was afraid of both the horns on his chest and his face. He will be the largest Primarch. And of course FW will continue to produce the 30k Primarchs.
- GW will use the Daemon Primarchs for their ongoing storyline. Because that's the things that "are more interesting". You can use them for both 30k and 40k games, more people buy plastic models than resin. Magnus is finished. But please don't expect all 5/6 Daemon Primarchs tomorrow lol.
- GW already did them (Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim) in EPIC. They all work as large focus models for their respective Cults.
- I wouldn't expect this stuff before the Summer is over. Relax, enjoy your Sylvaneth and play some games using your Handbook.
- Tzeentch Arcanites, Thousand Sons, Daemons of Tzeentch. #YearOfTzeentch (btw, don't take the year as year but more as ~12 months lol). Also, these aren't next in line, so again, don't expect this tomorrow ...
Last but not least, a quote from Sad Panda that summs it quite up
"Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.
There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example." DUPLICATE
So, let's chill and enjoy our summer =)
regards, Lady Atia
So kindly before raging at the rumormongers with accurate history because they don't chime in that they have information on something you're excited for, take a few minutes to peruse Pretre's Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracker. Take a few minutes and read through the list of rumors. Pretre goes out of his way to make that tracker and it's a huuuuuuuuge deal when it comes to figuring out who to lend credence to and who to ignore outright.
So its just a book for thussnd sons i Kean heaven forbid black legion armies cant even play like the fluff suggets but then again gw is ran by dummies soooo
I cant wait for this as I have both 30k Wolves and just started 30k Sons
I think the Mk3 armour is going to be blank as I remember FW showing off Space Wolf Mk3 upgrades at the weekender so I could see them coming out at the same time as this.
I am seriously wishing when I took the hobby up Tzeentch had called to me instead of Papa Nurgle. Seems like I haven't seen any rumors for anything Nurgle related since I started playing.
ok crying over. That model does look pretty sweet.
redleger wrote: I am seriously wishing when I took the hobby up Tzeentch had called to me instead of Papa Nurgle. Seems like I haven't seen any rumors for anything Nurgle related since I started playing.
ok crying over. That model does look pretty sweet.
Seriously? they have a metric gak ton of stuff and are one of the most easiest to convert up 10 ways to Sunday.
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Yay so we on w more about a random sorceror than the new csm supplement as of now im calling it fake
Which "new CSM supplement" rumor are we talking about here?
Because by and large that has been a strictly BoLS/Faeit/Naftka rumormongering thing.
The one atia told us about
When? Where? Got a link?
If you can't even provide a basic modicum of information about the rumor you're raging about, it's difficult for people to be able to reply to you.
For the record though?
There are two rumors going on right now. This one is likely the one you're talking about:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Jul 2016
via a friendly raven ^.^
"First monthly white dwarf has the new Khârn in it (leaning forward charging).
Also a campaign type book with new rules for Chaos Space Marines. It's not a new Codex, but does have cool new rules.
Also included is the new Deathwatch Codex TRUE
with Artemis Model TRUE and the new flyer for them. Looks like a mix between a tau and imperial flyer." TRUE
As always, take it with a tiny bit of salt but that one is usually pretty spot on =)
Regards,
Lady Atia
So, remember that the "first monthly White Dwarf" comes out in September and is covering the entirety of August's releases with snippets of September's releases shown within. Kharn is supposed to be on the cover with a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade model as the free model.
Then there's this rumor, which many people started to believe was saying "RUBRICAE IN THE FALL!":
PENDING Chaos Rumors - June 2016
Anyone still hyped about Tzeentch? Yes? Great. Here some snippets to avoid all possible confusions:
- Forgeworld will do the Prospero Magnus. In resin. Around Fall, for the Inferno release (as I think Russ may be ready for sale for the next Open Day). There are no "problems", Simon Egan just was afraid of both the horns on his chest and his face. He will be the largest Primarch. And of course FW will continue to produce the 30k Primarchs.
- GW will use the Daemon Primarchs for their ongoing storyline. Because that's the things that "are more interesting". You can use them for both 30k and 40k games, more people buy plastic models than resin. Magnus is finished. But please don't expect all 5/6 Daemon Primarchs tomorrow lol.
- GW already did them (Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim) in EPIC. They all work as large focus models for their respective Cults.
- I wouldn't expect this stuff before the Summer is over. Relax, enjoy your Sylvaneth and play some games using your Handbook.
- Tzeentch Arcanites, Thousand Sons, Daemons of Tzeentch. #YearOfTzeentch (btw, don't take the year as year but more as ~12 months lol). Also, these aren't next in line, so again, don't expect this tomorrow ...
Last but not least, a quote from Sad Panda that summs it quite up
"Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.
There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example." DUPLICATE
So, let's chill and enjoy our summer =)
regards,
Lady Atia
So kindly before raging at the rumormongers with accurate history because they don't chime in that they have information on something you're excited for, take a few minutes to peruse Pretre's Ongoing Rumor Accuracy Tracker. Take a few minutes and read through the list of rumors. Pretre goes out of his way to make that tracker and it's a huuuuuuuuge deal when it comes to figuring out who to lend credence to and who to ignore outright.
So its just a book for thussnd sons i Kean heaven forbid black legion armies cant even play like the fluff suggets but then again gw is ran by retards soooo
If you can't be accurate, could you please at least make an effort to be coherent?
That's awesome! They've done an excellent job capturing the essence of the classic but horrifically dated model without going completely over the top like some Khorne stuff. That and the response to the leak with clear pics of new stuff, well done, GW!
GoatboyBeta wrote: Add me to the group hoping for generic troops. One box to add to my 30k Ultras and one to mash up with BaC leftovers to make a small 1ksons or Wolves force. Also hoping that GW will have Magnus loyalists in 40k still wearing the red and gold when the next part of warzone Fenris comes around.
40k thousand son loyalists wear red and white
As long as it give me a brake from painting blue and gold Unless your talking about Blood ravens, in which case I meant loyal to Magnus
Nice response to the leak. It's nice to see them doing this kind of thing. Even if it is a set up. They've needed to get out there and do this kind of marketing for quite some time. It's good to see them engaging with the community again. I'm sure the usual suspects will scoff at it, but hey ho. I think it's a good sign.
CragHack wrote: Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign
Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!
Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.
Angron had 2 axes. Gorefather and Gorechild. The latter he gave to Khârn.
Actually, Khârn took it after Angron discarded it.
Well. More like. Angron Discarded it after breaking it, and then Kharn took it and repaired it for himself to use.
It's also important to the narrative to know that in the World Eaters it was considered bad luck to take/use discarded weapons, let alone ones that someone discarded because they broke. A supersition Angron brought to the legion from his days as a gladiator. I think it was a illusion to how in the future Kharn would pick up a discarded flamer and use it agiest his comrades earning the title "the betrayer".
The answer is that his first plasma pistol exploded and scorched off his armor. So now he uses the other hand to wield the pistol so that when it explodes again he won't ruin his fancy nails.
very disappointed in the new kharn, looking at the 30k version (which I own) and this new one, frankly, the sculpt is not good enough, I'm happy we got a new sculpt finally, its just no where near the level it should have been.
I'm not saying this isnt genuine, but didn't someone do a conversion of kharn a while back that looked exactly like this?
As in the exact same pose and angle? I guess someone at GW thought it was inspiring.
Joyboozer wrote: I'm not saying this isnt genuine, but didn't someone do a conversion of kharn a while back that looked exactly like this?
As in the exact same pose and angle? I guess someone at GW thought it was inspiring.
I vaguely remember someone converting the Heresy-era Kharn into a 40k version.
Since the Heresy-Kharn has a near identical, but mirrored, pose, I can see that this is probably where they got the inspiration.
CragHack wrote: Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign
Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!
Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.
Formosa wrote: very disappointed in the new kharn, looking at the 30k version (which I own) and this new one, frankly, the sculpt is not good enough, I'm happy we got a new sculpt finally, its just no where near the level it should have been.
I mean, the 30k one is basically just a normal marine tbh, lets be serious here. I mean to each their own but this is a pretty detailed sculpt, like other have been saying its very similar to the new AoS blood warriors. I dunno what you were expecting.
Formosa wrote: very disappointed in the new kharn, looking at the 30k version (which I own) and this new one, frankly, the sculpt is not good enough, I'm happy we got a new sculpt finally, its just no where near the level it should have been.
I mean, the 30k one is basically just a normal marine tbh, lets be serious here. I mean to each their own but this is a pretty detailed sculpt, like other have been saying its very similar to the new AoS blood warriors. I dunno what you were expecting.
the 30k one is
A: better proportioned
B: better detailed
C: shows kharn as a butcher and bezerker much better than the new one
I could go on, my issues with the new one, its too low detailed, the details that are on the model conflict and are all squashed together, the chains are too large and lumpy, again I could go on.
I get others will like it, that's cool, its just not what I expected and nowhere near the level I have come to expect from GW these days
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
I think Kharn is nice, but I've seen a better version of him based on Wrathmonger legs and a Marine torso.
The crotch skull looks a bit dumb with those caveman brows and the chains might have wonky physics. The DV champ guy is still king when it comes to running stabby CSM.
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
CragHack wrote: Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign
Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!
Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Resin isn't possessed of some sort of magic powers. It is possible to produce a good plastic model too.
FW is more expensive partly cause FW but also because the costs don't scale back with volume like plastic does and resin casting is quite labour intensive, relative to plastic certainly.
FW models are better because apparently they have a team with a better vision of what they want their models to look like and are better at executing that vision.
If GW aren't able to produce their models to a similar standard in plastic, perhaps they shouldn't have stopped using other materials?
Awkward posing, weird physics and excessive greeble are just a hallmark of the GW aesthetic, and nothing to do with the material nor the pricing.
For what it's worth, Azreal summed up my thoughts more effectively than I would have managed, before I had finished my first sentence.
That being said, I'm still pleased with the fact Chaos appears to be getting attention that is favourable. GW did some excellent work with the DV chosen and managed to detail things more realistically compared to the Kharn model - but then, I don't mind this sculpts cartoonish appearance as much as others seem to.
Wulfmar wrote: For what it's worth, Azreal summed up my thoughts more effectively than I would have managed, before I had finished my first sentence.
That being said, I'm still pleased with the fact Chaos appears to be getting attention that is favourable. GW did some excellent work with the DV chosen and managed to detail things more realistically compared to the Kharn model - but then, I don't mind this sculpts cartoonish appearance as much as others seem to.
I wouldn't know, he doesn't appear in threads for me I would agree that the sculpt for the new Kharn does appear cartoony in some regards. But then the GW audience is certainly a different one to the FW one, but that's ok, horses for courses and all that. At the end of the day both sculpts are available to buy and use.
100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt and it didn't even take 6 hours for people to start complaining.
This is why Chaos can't have nice things.
Maybe wait to see a whole 180 of the new sculpt before comparing it to the FW version?
Imo it looks great.
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
So in terms of preorders we have kill team and a white dwarf mini on the 27th, Kharn on the 3Rd of September and gorechosen on the 17th of September. That leaves the 10th. I wonder if it will be more chaos.
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
Yeah, the old Kharn model doesn't even look as bad as it should when we compare the two. However, I'm SURE the new one will look a lot better with more pictures.
Why are people speaking about weird physic ? I don't see any problem, except for the positioning of his legs, for the moment. Just wait until we TRULY see him !
Neronoxx wrote: 100% love it. Chaos gets a remake of an old crappy model with a new, beautiful sculpt
How is the old Kharn crappy and the new one beautiful?
Old Kharn stans up reasonably well to this new one, and he's decades old.
Is it so unreasonable to expect a new Chaos Space marine model to be decently proportioned and posed? GW obviously know how to do it with recent things like harlequins and genestealer cultists.
Why the hell should the Kharn model get a pass just because Chaos hasn't gotten a lot of 40K releases lately? If anything it should be the other way around.
I agree. It's very...plain for lack of words. I can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't seem to have much "soul".
New "old" Ahriman though, that looks amazing from what I can see.
There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.
Azreal13 wrote: There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
I'm a strong believer in that train of thought, but for me it's highly organic models that suffer, such as the Ork Shokk Attack Gun (compare the Nelson one vs the recent plastic version) and the new Ogryns.
This model, being mostly armoured, doesn't fall into that trap to me. I'm really impressed by it and I think one of the most important aspects, that it honours the previous incarnation, has been done justice... If it had been highly different, there'd have been a slew of folks lining up to complain that it should look exactly like the old one.
I think it's a success and a good looking model. YMMV.
Ahriman in 30K has been a long time coming...
i love the sculpts from Forge World that show the characters that we have followed for decades just on the cusp of going full Chaos...
being in quality plastic just makes it even sweeter...
they really got the aesthetic right
mkiii Space Wolves...
my favorite army, in some heavy armor???
yes, please
Kharn, so good...
i get what you are saying, Formosa...
the sculpt could have gone a lot of different directions, as in, it could have been a lot worse...
comparing him to the horribly static original sculpt, i will take this one, no question...
besides, i like 'em chunky Marines are not Eldar...
nice to see Chaos getting some love...
looks like i'll be painting even more red, very soon...
cheers
jah
kharn being my favourite 40k character, ill get him too, just disappointed is all
I wanted something like this, smaller chains, more detail, id have been happy
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
Lol it's so awful that you will buy it anyway?
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
Actually in this case I'm comparing an apple to an apple, they are both Khan, one is dynamically posed and looks like it could move, it's sprinting and has just took a swipe.
The other is trying to look dynamic and trying to look like it's taken a swipe but ends up looking clumsy and cluttered, as shown by other massed produced plastic, they could have made the model much more dynamic and given it a better pose, widened the legs, made the crotch skulls a separate piece, re pose the plasma arm so it also doesn't look clumsy, basically the model seems badly designed.
And yes I'll buy one, simply because it's better than the old one and Khan is my favourite character, doesn't stop me thinking the model should have been better and being disapointed it's not better.
It's a pretty tough comparison to put this model up against the £60 forgeworld collectors model, when it's likely going to be half the price and mass produced, compared to a boutique item that's made in small batches out of fine resin. How about tempering your expectations against the different limitations therin, you're not comparing like for like here really.
You may not like the sculpt aesthetically, that's fine. You're entitled to you're opinion. But as a technical comparison against the FW model, you may as well be comparing it to Michaelangelo's David. You're literally comparing oranges to apples.
Personally, from the all to brief screen grab, I think he look like a pretty nice detailed sculpt, it's nice to see Chaos FINALLY getting some love in plastic. I don't really think there's much cause to complain here.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and I'm really looking forward too seeing the Tzzentch dude, or Ahriman, if he turns out to be him, fully assembled and painted.
CragHack wrote: Le plot twist: GW actually placed those Ahriman leaks in the first place and this was all but a set up for this PR campaign
Yeah, this is looking suspiciously like some viral marketing.. in which case - it's about goddamn time!
Indeed - sending unreleased miniatures to the South Korean Navy so they'd find their way to ebay is too obvious. Doesn't look like mere coincidence or a mistake at all.
BWAHAHAHA!
That was a thing that happened?!?!?!?!
Well, not exactly... but there's an auction on ebay from South Korea with the sprue placed on a scarf/blanket/uniform(?) with the ROK (Republic of Korea) Navy logo. The reaction from Warhammer TV might be funny, but it's not the only one. The influence of Kirby is still strong.
Judging a dynamic model by a picture taken from one angle can be very misleading. I will wait until we see a full 360 before passing judgement. In this picture the forgeworld one looks like he is dancing. The joy of plastic is that the pose of the gun, the flow of the the chains and the angle of the legs can all be easily tweaked.
Chikout wrote: Judging a dynamic model by a picture taken from one angle can be very misleading. I will wait until we see a full 360 before passing judgement. In this picture the forgeworld one looks like he is dancing. The joy of plastic is that the pose of the gun, the flow of the the chains and the angle of the legs can all be easily tweaked.
That's fair, we've already had a very short 360, but I'd like a better look too
I like that Khârn. Too bad he is attached to an awful army. I would have liked to have him in the Daemonkin codex. Might have made me want to start CSM.
Azreal13 wrote: There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
I'm a strong believer in that train of thought, but for me it's highly organic models that suffer, such as the Ork Shokk Attack Gun (compare the Nelson one vs the recent plastic version) and the new Ogryns.
This model, being mostly armoured, doesn't fall into that trap to me. I'm really impressed by it and I think one of the most important aspects, that it honours the previous incarnation, has been done justice... If it had been highly different, there'd have been a slew of folks lining up to complain that it should look exactly like the old one.
I think it's a success and a good looking model. YMMV.
I guess a lot of that depends on your opinion of the original. For me, a radical departure would have been a positive as I'm not a fan of the original, but I completely concede that would have upset many.
As it stands, if I ever need a Kharn I'm confident I could kitbash one more to my tastes that would still be recognizable, but my Chaos tends to lean towards the more whip and chainy end of the pantheon, and I'm actually quite the fan of Lucius, albeit mine will have some modifications once he gets promoted from the box of shame to the assembly desk of broken dreams.
I guess we should be thankful that the range is broad enough that we have options!
Honestly I don't like either of them. The new GW is the better of the two but still kinda bland. The FW one looks like he has a rock in his boot and is like AGGH my foot is in pain.
Technically it would make any 'wrong' (with the arms being switched and F'ing consistency/ logic) is on FW side of things since obviously the old Kharn predates it.. 1st the concept artist, then the guy who signs off on it, then the sculptor. 3 layers of fail lol
The new Khârn is another example of Chaos miniatures being overly designed and way too busy. Under all that crap might be a nice model, but I'm not going to buy $35 worth of plastic to chop most of it off. It's a firm pass for me; I'm better off converting my own. Maybe in the Dark Souls "Well? What is it?" pose...
30k Ahriman, however, is hitting all the right notes for me. It's looking like a great sculpt, a great way to showcase the capabilities of plastic without ruining the model by cramming it with unnecessary bitz and unneeded detail. An easy buy for me.
Give me a Kharn that is just holding Gorechild saying, "Yeah, come get some!"
I don't know.
I see Kharn as more of a preemptive "'Aaaave it!" than a "Come get some" kind of frothing mouthed loon.
I always liked the short insert when he comes round the corner of a building and with a quick Blood for the Blood God" really ruins the day of some other Berserkers.
Azreal13 wrote: Resin isn't possessed of some sort of magic powers. It is possible to produce a good plastic model too.
Yeah resin isn't something that automatically turns model into good but best resin model will always beat hands down best plastic models in terms of detail. Materials aren't identical in qualities. Duh. That's why there's multiple materials that are used!
I don't want to be a spoiler but "Ahriman" , is this indeed Ahriman, it could be any of the scarab occult as far as we know. I don't see either a hequa staff or an oakleaf on his shoulderpad. Then I'm expecting Ahriman from Forgeworld anyways because he is the most suitable in the HH range to be the TS Primarchs sidekick.
Then again about the shoulderpad, does anyone know why there's an eye on there at all. I though there was something about an eye but I'm not sure anymore what it was?
Looking forewards to a possible prospero burns box!
He looks okay, probably one of those dynamic sculpts which will look better from a top-down view of a tabletop than seeing it from the side/360. It's hard to beat some of his artwork though, maybe by converting the plasma pistol arm and glueing him onto a scenic base to make him look less hunched.
But I like the model, he is so much better than the 'dynamic' sculpts of 3rd Edition (Eldar Striking Scorpions, Dark Eldar Whyches, CSM Possessed come to mind). Those looked way too flat.
So with plastic Kharn confirmed, where are the CSM campaign book leaks?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Berserkers need a boost ruleswise similiar to what they got in Blood Oath (Warhammer World-exclusive campaign booklet, Khorne Daemonkin formation with Kharybdis), otherwise they don't work anymore. Hopefully something with Kharn for a start. A 3++ against shooting attacks for a unit he is attached to would fix a lot.
I think I like it, but I am not sure about the back pack or the chains. I think the armour is a bit too spiky. Think I prefer the original one to be honest. But I am stoked that they have released a new version of him
Azreal13 wrote: There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.
I don't think the "digital = no soul" thing is automatic, and probably some of it is just down to the usual snobbery at technology, but I think it works in much the same way as digital artwork - the technology allows you to do things you simply can't do with the physical version, and that's both good and bad. The bad side of it comes from three things - 1. Rotating a 3D image on a 2D screen doesn't give you the same sense of perspective and depth perception as holding a 3D object in your hands and rotating it in front of your eyes does, 2. Digital tech allows for a lot of "shortcuts" that when applied properly can allow you to achieve the same result as a physical version with less time & effort...but which just look cheap if used too liberally and without care, and 3. The amount of reworking and correction an artist can do to a digital model/painting is limited only by the project deadline, and if you keep going over and over your work fixing what you perceive as flaws or mistakes, you can end up with a final product that looks plastic-y and takes a dip into Uncanny Valley territory.
Combine that with GW's tendency to over-design some of their models intentionally or otherwise, and you sometimes get plastic kits that trend more towards the "Happy Meal toy" end of the spectrum.
Personally I like almost all of the individual elements of the new Kharn model, I'm just not a huge fan of the way they've been put together.
That said, I give almost zero gaks about Kharn when plastic Prospero's been dangled like that - moar info please.
I really like the enthusiasm that GW is showing in embracing online/community focussed responses these days. That vid showing Kharn was a great way to reach out to the community - it shows they have accepted the internet exists and we do discuss their world on here - including constant chasing of rumours and leaks. It shows they can have a tongue in cheek jab at us all while also giving us more of what we are clamouring at. This last year has really served to reset my attitude towards GW as an entity. I still may not agree with all their pricing plans on single character clamppacks and squad kits, but the bundle offers are genuinely good value in the main (start collecting, Calth, Masque etc). I say well done GW and carry on in this form.
Honestly with the ranges of AoS Khorne, either of the actual modern Kharns or the original, if you cant kitbash this to your most exacting requirement, there's something wrong with your converting fu.
Azreal13 wrote: There seems to be a train of thought I'd not previously subscribed to that suggests that digital sculpting can bleed the character out of a model. It doesn't seem logical, but I guess, looking at this model, that perhaps it can happen in some cases.
@godarc
It's the things like his pigtails and chains which are theoretically in motion, but don't, at least thus far, appear to be moving the right way for his pose.
I don't think the "digital = no soul" thing is automatic, and probably some of it is just down to the usual snobbery at technology, but I think it works in much the same way as digital artwork - the technology allows you to do things you simply can't do with the physical version, and that's both good and bad. The bad side of it comes from three things - 1. Rotating a 3D image on a 2D screen doesn't give you the same sense of perspective and depth perception as holding a 3D object in your hands and rotating it in front of your eyes does, 2. Digital tech allows for a lot of "shortcuts" that when applied properly can allow you to achieve the same result as a physical version with less time & effort...but which just look cheap if used too liberally and without care, and 3. The amount of reworking and correction an artist can do to a digital model/painting is limited only by the project deadline, and if you keep going over and over your work fixing what you perceive as flaws or mistakes, you can end up with a final product that looks plastic-y and takes a dip into Uncanny Valley territory.
Combine that with GW's tendency to over-design some of their models intentionally or otherwise, and you sometimes get plastic kits that trend more towards the "Happy Meal toy" end of the spectrum.
Personally I like almost all of the individual elements of the new Kharn model, I'm just not a huge fan of the way they've been put together.
That said, I give almost zero gaks about Kharn when plastic Prospero's been dangled like that - moar info please.
Agreed, looking down on digital sculpting is essentially the same logic as people who view airbrushing as cheating, both require their own skill set, both allow you to achieve things you can't easily achieve with the traditional method but both can look awful if not done with a degree of care.
I have absolutely no problem with digital sculpting in general, but this Kharn looks like he's been at least a little spoiled by it.
I haven't heard any rumors or confirmations lately about a September warzone fenris or codex release to accompany said model. Anyone tracking anything recent?
Now Khârn needs to lose his VotLW, gaining Eternal Warrior instead so i can play him in my Crimson Slaughter - he looks.. well, actually only OK. I like the Blood Warriors of AoS more. But still.. f*ing awesome to see a plastic Khârn!
I can't wait to get my grubby hands on that Ahriman, he looks to be really well sculpted and very true to the art. If he comes with a set of MK III armoured marines my wallet with shrivel up because I'll end up buying three of the things...
I wonder how long before he is released? I'm guessing the end of next month if Khârn is at the start. Man, I really love what GW have been doing lately.
Commander Cain wrote: I can't wait to get my grubby hands on that Ahriman, he looks to be really well sculpted and very true to the art. If he comes with a set of MK III armoured marines my wallet with shrivel up because I'll end up buying three of the things...
I wonder how long before he is released? I'm guessing the end of next month if Khârn is at the start. Man, I really love what GW have been doing lately.
I fully expect the new prospero boxed game to come out in the same time frame as betrayal at Calth which was early November. If I was a betting man I would think that September will be mostly AOS, either Tzeentch or duardin alongside gorechosen. October will be the second half of the Fenris campaign with 40k Tzeentch November will be the prospero game. December may be a Lord of change or the rumoured primarch. That would be a lot of Tzeentch in a short time but it broadly aligns with Sad Panda's hints.
As an aside the latest rumours from bolter and chainsword suggest that Kharn will come with a campaign book called traitor's Hate.
redleger wrote: I haven't heard any rumors or confirmations lately about a September warzone fenris or codex release to accompany said model. Anyone tracking anything recent?
This popped up on the 40KFB page a few days ago with a note that it was "... from the future...".
Commander Cain wrote: I can't wait to get my grubby hands on that Ahriman, he looks to be really well sculpted and very true to the art. If he comes with a set of MK III armoured marines my wallet with shrivel up because I'll end up buying three of the things...
I wonder how long before he is released? I'm guessing the end of next month if Khârn is at the start. Man, I really love what GW have been doing lately.
I fully expect the new prospero boxed game to come out in the same time frame as betrayal at Calth which was early November. If I was a betting man I would think that September will be mostly AOS, either Tzeentch or duardin alongside gorechosen. October will be the second half of the Fenris campaign with 40k Tzeentch November will be the prospero game. December may be a Lord of change or the rumoured primarch. That would be a lot of Tzeentch in a short time but it broadly aligns with Sad Panda's hints. As an aside the latest rumours from bolter and chainsword suggest that Kharn will come with a campaign book called traitor's Hate.
Just so we're clear, when Sad Panda stated that there was quite a bit of Tzeentch stuff done? He specified that the Lord of Change was not one of those things. At least in December of 2015 he did.
Although, going over the rumor tracker we have these from Sad Panda:
Spoiler:
PENDING Chaos Rumors - Dec 2015 via Sad Panda in response to this.. "I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)"
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
We then got these two in June of this year:
PENDING Chaos Rumors - June 2016 Question: What IF we aren't getting 40K Thousand Sons, but we are getting 30K Thousand Sons? Sad Panda: Both.
PENDING 40k Rumors - June 2016 Myth no more.
A lot of people over the years claimed the GDs were all finished and claimed they saw them (talking about myths).
All of them curiously missed this particular vintage-epic-inspired-villain next to the only recently finished LoC his design portfolio.
Remember the Warhammer Fest comment about things changing, but not quite as drastic as End Times/AoS? 40K is on the move.
redleger wrote: I haven't heard any rumors or confirmations lately about a September warzone fenris or codex release to accompany said model. Anyone tracking anything recent?
This popped up on the 40KFB page a few days ago with a note that it was "... from the future...".
My assumption was that this was for a SM v. Tau Boxed set that was rumored to be coming out since the message was from Kavyaan Shrike and the RG were last seen fighting tau.
redleger wrote: I haven't heard any rumors or confirmations lately about a September warzone fenris or codex release to accompany said model. Anyone tracking anything recent?
This popped up on the 40KFB page a few days ago with a note that it was "... from the future...".
My assumption was that this was for a SM v. Tau Boxed set that was rumored to be coming out since the message was from Kavyaan Shrike and the RG were last seen fighting tau.
Yea pretty sure this is kill team related. I haven't seen anything since panda and atia talked about a possible release in septemberish timeframe. Anyone else got anything?
BOLS just posted some HOT NEW BREAKING RUMOR L@@K NOW about how Khorne is going to get more love in 40k in 2017, and how they are going to focus on "what makes Chaos unique" i.e. the 4 Chaos Gods, and a move away from Chaos Undivided a la AoS.
As a primarily Undivided fan, I find that to mean they don't really get what the appeal of CSM are; it's always been to play an Evil Space Marine, not the 4 Chaos Gods. I am a bit disheartened by this seeming return to RT-era Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned.
Tzeentch and Khorne will front the CSM revamp.
The release pattern for CSM should be similar to that of Age of Sigmar, a move away from Chaos Undivided and focusing on what really makes Chaos distinct. Ie; The 4 Gods.
The Cults will be expanded to the point they can form their own mini codexes with the Traitor Primarchs at their head.
“We heard you liked your Rubics with guns, so we gave them swords instead.”
Magnus and Angron will be the first Traitor Primarch releases.
That doesn’t mean you won’t see some Undivided releases. You will, it is a full revamp of the range afterall. Just that releases will be themed ala Age of Sigmar stuff has.
2017 will be good for 40k Khorne players.
Infact alot of what the 2nd 40k End Times book is about, is Abbadon unleashing Kharn on the Imperium.
Chill your beans, you’re getting new Rubics of several different varieties soon.
I suppose they'll give Space Hulk (and maybe Execution Force) the rules for the cult models from Overkill - and Overkill Artemis and/or rules for generic Kill Team members that could use the new equipment from the codex.
I remember when the original Kharn was advertised in white dwarf 200. I thought he would be the free model in the next issue but it was a regular monopose bezerker. Guessing he will not be free in white dwarf this time either.
WayneTheGame wrote: BOLS just posted some HOT NEW BREAKING RUMOR L@@K NOW about how Khorne is going to get more love in 40k in 2017, and how they are going to focus on "what makes Chaos unique" i.e. the 4 Chaos Gods, and a move away from Chaos Undivided a la AoS.
As a primarily Undivided fan, I find that to mean they don't really get what the appeal of CSM are; it's always been to play an Evil Space Marine, not the 4 Chaos Gods. I am a bit disheartened by this seeming return to RT-era Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned.
I feel like this couldn't be more wrong given the constant pining for cult terminators and the like.
WayneTheGame wrote: BOLS just posted some HOT NEW BREAKING RUMOR L@@K NOW about how Khorne is going to get more love in 40k in 2017, and how they are going to focus on "what makes Chaos unique" i.e. the 4 Chaos Gods, and a move away from Chaos Undivided a la AoS.
As a primarily Undivided fan, I find that to mean they don't really get what the appeal of CSM are; it's always been to play an Evil Space Marine, not the 4 Chaos Gods. I am a bit disheartened by this seeming return to RT-era Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned.
Tzeentch and Khorne will front the CSM revamp.
The release pattern for CSM should be similar to that of Age of Sigmar, a move away from Chaos Undivided and focusing on what really makes Chaos distinct. Ie; The 4 Gods.
The Cults will be expanded to the point they can form their own mini codexes with the Traitor Primarchs at their head.
“We heard you liked your Rubics with guns, so we gave them swords instead.”
Magnus and Angron will be the first Traitor Primarch releases.
That doesn’t mean you won’t see some Undivided releases. You will, it is a full revamp of the range afterall. Just that releases will be themed ala Age of Sigmar stuff has.
2017 will be good for 40k Khorne players.
Infact alot of what the 2nd 40k End Times book is about, is Abbadon unleashing Kharn on the Imperium.
Chill your beans, you’re getting new Rubics of several different varieties soon.
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there tkes all of my money. primarchs (human form hopefully), custodes and mkIII marines (my favorite). I don't even play HH or have a CSM army
WayneTheGame wrote: BOLS just posted some HOT NEW BREAKING RUMOR L@@K NOW about how Khorne is going to get more love in 40k in 2017, and how they are going to focus on "what makes Chaos unique" i.e. the 4 Chaos Gods, and a move away from Chaos Undivided a la AoS.
As a primarily Undivided fan, I find that to mean they don't really get what the appeal of CSM are; it's always been to play an Evil Space Marine, not the 4 Chaos Gods. I am a bit disheartened by this seeming return to RT-era Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned.
What you mean, of course, is that you don't think they get what the appeal of CSM is to YOU. There are a whole lot of cult players who would love to see this, if it's done right. Yes, there should still be room for Undivided, and if those rumors are to be believed (mountains of salt, it is BOLS, after all), then there will still be undivided aplenty.
angelofvengeance wrote: GW will definitely be returning to god specific stuff- just look at Silver Tower. Tzeentch Beastmen for goodness sake!
Praise the Changer of Ways (Rountree).
Indeed his rulership has been great so far. I'm not much of a CSM fan but I can appreciate how important they are to the setting and I kinda admire Tzeentch just because of his crazy plots. Still I can't wait to see what comes next. I can't wait to see CSM fans enjoying their new releases.
This is the part of the thread where I somewhat pedantically point out that there is no such thing as 'Chaos Undivided', and there hasn't been for some some time. Chaos unaligned, however (lower case 'u') sure, but 'Undivided', no.
Chaos 40k has been such a missed opportunity for gw. More than any other faction, chaos is very much Gw's thing but the lack of support for it is very surprising. The minis that have come have been of very variable quality (obliterators) and also extremely sporadic. A plague marine box with the kind of detail seen in the blight kings, would sell like hot cakes. It seems we will finally be getting Rubric Marines, but still nothing at all for Slaanesh. The bloodthirster sold well by all accounts so why are they holding back the other greater deamons. Renegade Knights were an after thought. Where is choas imperial guard?
I hope they get it right this time. (the silver tower stuff is a good sign)
Chikout wrote: Chaos 40k has been such a missed opportunity for gw. More than any other faction, chaos is very much Gw's thing but the lack of support for it is very surprising. The minis that have come have been of very variable quality (obliterators) and also extremely sporadic. A plague marine box with the kind of detail seen in the blight kings, would sell like hot cakes. It seems we will finally be getting Rubric Marines, but still nothing at all for Slaanesh. The bloodthirster sold well by all accounts so why are they holding back the other greater deamons. Renegade Knights were an after thought. Where is choas imperial guard?
I hope they get it right this time. (the silver tower stuff is a good sign)
Independent units for each god with killer details and oodles of options would be nice. I think they're coming. We've gotten so much product every week over the past two years it's easy to expect anything and everything coming Plague Marines would be nice but after Rubric Marines I want to see Slaanesh stuff like the Heresy models. I know they won't be the same but I need that Slaanesh fix to start playing Chaos again.
mjl7atlas wrote: Rubrics with swords? CC rubrics??? Can someone elaborate?
Hopefully Panda or Atia will be here soon to tell us whether the blind squirrel that is BOLS has actually found a nut, or if it's more of the usual ignorant guesswork from them.
mjl7atlas wrote: Rubrics with swords? CC rubrics??? Can someone elaborate?
Hopefully Panda or Atia will be here soon to tell us whether the blind squirrel that is BOLS has actually found a nut, or if it's more of the usual ignorant guesswork from them.
But hot new rumour L@@K L@@K.
Ugh.
This is literally the most accurate description of BoLS I have ever seen.
It's 'Rubric' not 'Rubic'. And it doesn't really make sense to call the individuals 'Rubrics', given 'The Rubric of Ahriman' basically means 'Ahriman's Law'.
When will people learn that 'rumors' from BOLS/Natfka are bullgak? They have no talent at sorting rumor sources and BOLS/Spikey Bits make up their rumors and/or grab it from here and other sites.
H.B.M.C. wrote: This is the part of the thread where I somewhat pedantically point out that there is no such thing as 'Chaos Undivided', and there hasn't been for some some time. Chaos unaligned, however (lower case 'u') sure, but 'Undivided', no.
Well, they don't call it that these days, but if the whole "Octed Path" dealie isn't Chaos Undivided then what is it? For my money doubling-down on the four gods is the least interesting path they could take with Chaos - Angry Men, Stinky Men, Slutty Men, and Schemey Men can only have so many variations in theme and motivation, but Chaos as a force, as a philosophy, as a religion can have functionally endless variations almost all of them more interesting than "Schemey Men, but now with SWORDS!".
All they needed to do to make Cult players happy was update their existing kit and give them Terminators, most of what the Chaos range actually needs is basic kits refreshed, and if they plan to expand something like the Saruthi chaos-twisted Xenos would have been far cooler than "we need an excuse for more big kits, I know, Daemon primarchs!"
Reading the rumour threads is like being a prospector endlessly sifting through the Sands of bols and faeit212. After days of despair you finally see the glint of a Sad Pand post shining through the muck. The AOS mine is still disappointingly barren though.
inb4 Guilliman healing from his mortal wounds while in suspended animation is no longer just an in-universe rumour but a fact, and he becomes the first plastic loyalist Primarch.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: inb4 Guilliman healing from his mortal wounds while in suspended animation is no longer just an in-universe rumour but a fact, and he becomes the first plastic loyalist Primarch.
"Warhammer 40,000: Age of Primarchs" in 2017 - calling it now!
Next 40K plastic primarch after Magnus should be a loyal one (not Russ, not Prospero related).
Missing Primarchs: Jaghatai Khan, Vulkan, Corax, Lion, Russ, Dorn (ok they have a hand, but no body to prove he's Really dead).
I hope it's the Lion
And how about this for an extremely remote chance - the Sanguinor turns out to be Sanguinius re-incarnated and gets a new model... He (the Sanguinor) did get a speaking part at the end of the Shield of Ball campaign.
And how about this for an extremely remote chance - the Sanguinor turns out to be Sanguinius re-incarnated and gets a new model... He (the Sanguinor) did get a speaking part at the end of the Shield of Baal campaign.
No, I'm not holding my breath!
The Sanguinor is Azkaellon, founder and first commander of the Sanguinary Guard. I'd be very surprised if he ended up as Sanguinius re-incarnated.
Next 40K plastic primarch after Magnus should be a loyal one (not Russ, not Prospero related).
Plastic Daemon Angron is coming at some point, Forge World said at one of their events that they were going to do the Daemon Primarchs in plastic and Angron might have even been mentioned by name, iirc.
Nah, it's going to be Dorn, but with Gravcannon instead of one hand, and a giant hammer instead of the other.
Probably going to be the Lion, the Guilliman, or the Biker, though. (The Khan drives oth of Commaragh and the head of a slave army and feths some gak up? I'm down for that!)
If Sanguinius is done in anything less than Fw resin, I will feel ripped off, and I don't play Blood Angels. No way he will be nearly as majestic.
Ya know, I'm gonna buy Kharn because I always wanted one but never got one for some reason. The re-design looks spiffy. I hope new Beserkers of a similar quality will follow it up, if not I'll do the AoS conversions and they'll look luuuuvvverly.
and yep, chaos getting some love, I'm very happy about that.
That's my take away, and I'm OK with that. While Kharne Asada is an interesting sculpt, he doesn't figure in my lists.
However, even if the Thousand Sons are 30k centric, I'm still going to use them for Chaos, the greater of the two evils! Also, if the MKIII rumor is true, my Imperial Fists ranks shall swell like a [REDACTED] at [REDACTED]
no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.
no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.
I don't think it will ever happen, but I think that would be a cool thing for a 40k "End Times". Revamp the game without destroying it, and make things new and fresh. A "new Imperium" headed by Guilliman and the revised Ultramarines Legion. The imperium fractures. Finally a good in-game reason to have Wolves vs. Blood Angels or Ultramarines vs. Salamanders or Guard vs. Guard! Allow for Marine players to be able to more easily customize their forces, similar to Heresy with being loyalist/traitor.
It'll probably be Roughbutt Garglemoan, Primarch of the most boring Legion.
However, when he wakes up he will be suuuuper mad about the current states of things, so that could be exciting to see him whip everything into shape.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I wonder if the other Astartes would fall in line if a Primarch returned, or if they would try and rebel against them. Interesting story possibilities.
Cephalobeard wrote: It'll probably be Roughbutt Garglemoan, Primarch of the most boring Legion.
However, when he wakes up he will be suuuuper mad about the current states of things, so that could be exciting to see him whip everything into shape.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I wonder if the other Astartes would fall in line if a Primarch returned, or if they would try and rebel against them. Interesting story possibilities.
Guilliman could be really mischuffed that his Chapter has gone Codex literal rather than as a springboard for ideas. The seeds of his intentions for the Codex Astartes have already been laid in the HH books.
MacMuckles wrote: The new Khârn is another example of Chaos miniatures being overly designed and way too busy. Under all that crap might be a nice model, but I'm not going to buy $35 worth of plastic to chop most of it off. It's a firm pass for me; I'm better off converting my own. Maybe in the Dark Souls "Well? What is it?" pose...
30k Ahriman, however, is hitting all the right notes for me. It's looking like a great sculpt, a great way to showcase the capabilities of plastic without ruining the model by cramming it with unnecessary bitz and unneeded detail. An easy buy for me.
this. this is why I never got into chaos. I like space marines but CSM have too much on them
Crazyterran wrote:
If Sanguinius is done in anything less than Fw resin, I will feel ripped off, and I don't play Blood Angels. No way he will be nearly as majestic.
What am I missing here? How can he be a 40K Primarch when he died 10 000 years ago? What am I not seeing? Wish listing?
If it suits the plan, a wizard will resurrect Sanginius and run away, or his final death cry will have echoed down through the millennia and he will be reborn etc.. etc..
Crazyterran wrote:
If Sanguinius is done in anything less than Fw resin, I will feel ripped off, and I don't play Blood Angels. No way he will be nearly as majestic.
What am I missing here? How can he be a 40K Primarch when he died 10 000 years ago? What am I not seeing? Wish listing?
Considering Sang is just about as close to a Jesus allegory as you can get, I have no doubt he will be resurrected at some point, somehow.
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
Bohoo, soo unfair
To be fair, Bringing back any of the non-deamonic primarcs including the Lion and Russ would signify jumping the shark IMO. Throwing away the last vestiges of mystery and a setting with a sense of large scale in favour of a glorified 80's cartoon show with primarcs battling the monster of the week.
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
That's one bad side of bringing back primarchesh. Chapters without logically living one(blood angels despite them being cool BECAUSE of primarch dying the way he did and iron hands. Chaos side night lords and black legions) would start complaining.
Better to have them at the background adding mystery.
Alas probably all bar Horus come back. Heck maybe even Horus...
iron hands are part of the normal codex. actually. to keep suspense they might supply the primarchs with their own rules and say they can be played with any imperial army
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
That's one bad side of bringing back primarchesh. Chapters without logically living one(blood angels despite them being cool BECAUSE of primarch dying the way he did and iron hands. Chaos side night lords and black legions) would start complaining.
Better to have them at the background adding mystery.
Alas probably all bar Horus come back. Heck maybe even Horus...
read my latest post. I said that maybe they should release the primarchs about 6 months after the codex with their own rules. and then say that they can be played non-foc lord of war.
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
There is no unfair because you are all part of the imperium.
Even if GW decided to go super LoW for all not every faction has a super LoW.
I fully expect any primarchs that come back to be a shell of thier former selves.
Crazed out Vulcan, Emo corax, broken guilleman, mutated leman Russ, mechanical dorn, etc
But let's assume primarchs for all come back. I still don't expect every space marine to get one. It's not like non space marine factions have primarchs.
Sure you might get
monsterous creature sized the beast arises ghazkull
The tyranid hive mind
Necrons sleeping king or whatever it's called
Sisters of battle super sister like harroda
Eldar/Harley/dark eldar ynnead avatar
Chaos primarchs and chaos demon princes
But what do factions like
tau get? A super special giant farsight suit?
Imperial guard? Lord solar castellan creed <- would still get his arse whooped
Grey Knights/death watch/inqusition etc <- are they just SoL because no primarchs?
To expect every single faction to get a primarch equivilant is a joke it won't happen instead i believe you will get a Lord of war type army focal points to most army factions in the future sorta like warmahordes but less be all end all of the army list. (And there will be multiple choices for these lord of war type units for each faction). It fits into GW current design of introducing large models with each new codex update. I know every space marine player wants to feel like a special flower but no these is no entitlement for each chapter to have their own primarch return.
gungo wrote: tau get? A super special giant farsight suit?
What would be so odd in that? Giant robot with more guns and hull points than law allows.
Imperial guard? Lord solar castellan creed <- would still get his arse whooped
Living saints/imperial hero infused with emperor's will making him/her superhuman "because magic".
Grey Knights/death watch/inqusition etc <- are they just SoL because no primarchs?
As above except base point is even better.
To expect every single faction to get a primarch equivilant is a joke it won't happen instead i believe you will get a Lord of war type army focal points to most army factions in the future sorta like warmahordes but less be all end all of the army list. (And there will be multiple choices for these lord of war type units for each faction). It fits into GW current design of introducing large models with each new codex update. I know every space marine player wants to feel like a special flower but no these is no entitlement for each chapter to have their own primarch return.
If GW feels they get more money it will happen. Doesn't matter does it fit existing fluff. It's their game. They can rewrite whatever. Doesn't matter old fluff said Horus was totally obiliterated flesh and soul. They can bring him back anyway "because chaos". Ditto for BA one.
I expect pretty much every primarch to return sooner or later. GW cares about money, not fluff continuatity. They can write fluff however they want. Eldar fall didnt' actually happen? They decide so, they can write it and players can do nothing to stop them doing that.
Just an aside, in the Beast Arises, it is pretty seriously implied that Dorn is not dead. Vulken mentions him a few times as if they still talk. I think Dorn just took it to the House.
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
Im fine with both of those choices as long as i can play them with my BA. on a different note aren't HH armys legal in 40K? i know you can have volkite weapons so what about primarchs
Zywus wrote: If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.
This. 1000x this.
but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.
Who said life is fair? Where is that written?
This isnt life. This is a wargame. game is right in the name
iron hands are part of the normal codex. actually. to keep suspense they might supply the primarchs with their own rules and say they can be played with any imperial army
And they shouldn't be but they are because reasons
no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.
Guilliman and to a lesser extent Dorn seem to be the two who would have the most effect on the wider Imperium IMO as well. Especially as Guilliman would effectively be stepping out myth from just after the Heresy. There would be many within the Imperium who would have a vested interest in keeping him in that stasis field.
I dont expect primarchs to be overpovered.
How could they be considering a setting with Imperial knights, wraith knights and whatever the TAU use these days.
And even if they focus on army wide boosting abilities, you have all kinds of cheesy formation bonuses to compete with.
(oh, the horror trying to navigate primarch super command abilities compatibility with formation shenanigans; I really hope they try to move avay from that).
But then again, those things might change by summer -17 for all we know.
I hope the first primarch is the Lion, because it would make the coolest model.
But If Gulliman show up, the storyline will go crazy, probably civil war crazy. So that would be cool to.
I'm sure Robert Sillyman would be incredibly powerful, if he is a fieldable unit. If they're similar to their 30k Counterparts, they will cost hundreds of points and have tons of abilities.
no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.
I don't think it will ever happen, but I think that would be a cool thing for a 40k "End Times". Revamp the game without destroying it, and make things new and fresh. A "new Imperium" headed by Guilliman and the revised Ultramarines Legion. The imperium fractures. Finally a good in-game reason to have Wolves vs. Blood Angels or Ultramarines vs. Salamanders or Guard vs. Guard! Allow for Marine players to be able to more easily customize their forces, similar to Heresy with being loyalist/traitor.
Unless the very first thing that happened upon Rowboat Girlyman trying to change things was 99.99% of humanity screaming "HERETIC! BURN THE WITCH!" before proceeding to roast him alive, they might as well just blow up the setting because whatever atrocious nonsense they came up with otherwise wouldn't be 40K any more in any meaningful sense.
The golden age is gone, past, finito, and all that remains is the creeping descent into madness, death, and oblivion. If the Primarchs come back and start forming little progressive mini-Imperiums with a well funded social security system and workman's comp for all the poor buggers who were given mining tools for hands, rather than to lead the Imperium in one last futile cataclysmic self-destructive battle against the darkness as was always indicated before then all the big build-up about "the Time of Ending/Wolftime/Really Really Darktimes No Serial It'll Be Dark Brah" will end in a wet wee fart.
Personally I've no truck with an advancing timeline, there's 10,000 years of story to monetise for GW and if people want to know what happens when the clock does finally tick over to midnight run the campaign yourselves, that's rather the point. But, if they do insist on bringing things to a head, they should have the sack to do it properly, which means killing the Golden Goose and starting from scratch, AoS-style.
played.
