Oh wow... Jesus my wallet can't take much more... I didn't buy anything GW for years, now this year alone they have nailed me 3 times for 200 bones a pop... this will be a 4th....
Soon we should be seeing some glimpses of the Sisters of Silence too.
This also means that the Warzone Fenris stuff is right around the corner, as the rumor was that 30k and 40k would be tag-teaming and come out roughly together (new Thousand Sons rubrics!).
The day has finally come! I can't wait to see the rules leaks, finally we'll have a tabletop comparison of marines against custodes. If the guardian spear from Deathwatch is anything to go by, they're going to be beastly.
Well this is something I am super excited about. Considering how long ago the Custode were re-imagined with the HH artwork and brought to life by Dave Taylor, various other artists and myself in Issue 300 of US wd.
This is super cool.
White Dwarf as an exclusive lord for W:TW? And they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Well, in GW's case, it would be re-learning tricks I guess.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On a side note, they look quite large next to that terminator. Which if I recall is how they are supposed to be, since they are not normal astartes. Will be interesting to see how their meta will change from the Emperors Personal Army to failures.
It looks like they are pretty big next to the terminators. If I recall they are supposed to be, which is awesome.
From Emperors personal Army to utter failures, wonder how they will be portrayed rules wise throughout the HH game.
Curious why anyone would actually care about the White Dwarf Character/ rules when Custode are a huge deal.. lets get a freebie one of those instead of wasted plastic
Yes Prospero, Thousand Sons, and Custodes! What's that? Only ugly, hard to paint Mk3 armor? Oh well guess I'll just have to wait another decade for them to get it right.
2 boxes for me, and probably another set of tartaros and Mk III from Ebay.
One of these days I'll start my HH Ultramarines, I swear! Probably will have to grab like 5 more UM upgrade sprues to get some more UM pads with ridges that will look right on Mk III.
Custodes... man I will be looking forward to putting those together and painting.
They are like 40k holy relics.
I agree, the wallet cannot contain the great void it is feeling.
Curious why anyone would actually care about the White Dwarf Character/ rules when Custode are a huge deal.. lets get a freebie one of those instead of wasted plastic
Its just a code to get him in the Warhammer Total War computer game.
Does the bottom really say "brand new bored game"? That's either a terrible spelling mistake to get through proofing or this is maybe fake. Admittedly, it doesn't look fake.
plessiez wrote: Does the bottom really say "brand new bored game". That's either a terrible spelling mistake to get through proofing or this is maybe fake.
Hmm. Not sure if this is a good move on their part. Non-generic HQ's plus custodes alongside generic units may not be as much of a draw as the purely generic contents of B@C
Chikout wrote: Super weird to see the November white dwarf before October, but the new boxed game is looking great.
just noticed that myself, now that i am not distracted by the minis...
such a tease, but i can wait...
plastic Custodes, Tartaros, and MKIII are going to be amazing...
no resin miscasts!!!
now i just look forward to seeing the other characters in the box...
Arhiman looks great...
now i wanna see the Space Wolves leader he looks badass, but the pic is too small :(
Looking forward for those MK3's. Wonder, what will Forge World do about it.
The custodes leader, on the other hand, looks like re-imagined Ulrik: same boring pose with more bling.
CragHack wrote: Looking forward for those MK3's. Wonder, what will Forge World do about it.
It may depend on how well the plastics are designed: will they have the same level of detail as the resin, especially on the front leg plates? And what kind of poses will they come in? Frankly, though, I need to see more than one fuzzy picture of a WD cover before making much in the way of judgement.
There is no "Mother of God" gif big enough to express my feelings. This is an Outside Context Problem for my bank account. When archaeologists find my mancave, they are going to wonder why the paintings suddenly stop with the arrival of the red-and-gold strangers.
I was wondering if that was Bjorn as well. Either way, cool stuff! Wondering if the 40k end times will usher in era where the custode are relevant again later, which would bridge these models to the 40k side..
Neat. Might be my first GW purchase in years. I like Custodes, I like 1kSons, and Sisters of Silence might make for decent Inquisitors/Inquisitorial Retinues... and the Box Sets tend to be relatively "good" deals these days (insofar as GW products are concerned).
Looking at the picture again, the models in the very top of the pic look... off... to me. They're wearing grey armor but it doesn't really look like a SM to me. Maybe it's just a weird pose?
Those are definitely sisters of silence in the top left. Look at the base sizes... There are 5 custodes on what appears to be 40 mm bases. The maybe-Bjorn in front is definitely on a smaller base than them, and following the SM trend, that's 32 mm. Now, look at the grey models in the top left. Their base is clearly smaller than Bjorns (and also the Thousand Son to the right of the custodes). There is no chance at all that those are SMs on 25 mm bases again.
I'm confused. If it is the Burning of Prospero, shouldn't it be Space Wolves instead of Legio Custodes? I thought the Space Wolves attacked Prospero and the Custodes were just the Emperor's elite Praetorian guard who never left the palace.
I'm confused. If it is the Burning of Prospero, shouldn't it be Space Wolves instead of Legio Custodes? I thought the Space Wolves attacked Prospero and the Custodes were just the Emperor's elite Praetorian guard who never left the palace.
Sorry - I have little knowledge of the fluff.
Mez
In the fluff, the Space Wolves formed the main force, but they were supplemented by Custodes and Sisters
Well, now I feel stupid for buying an army's worth of Mk3 marines from FW...
GW certainly seem to be moving towards a "give people what they actually want" approach lately, what with Mechanicus, DW, GSC, monthly WD, freebies, Specialist Games, timeline moving forward - these are all things that hold very niche appeal for new players but old grognards like me have been asking for for decades.
Interesting to see where this goes, I'll be picking up the WDs with freebies, not sure after that
No. The owner was me. I have a copy in advance but I can't release details as its an industry thing. The photo was taken without permission from an internal private chat. I am working on finding out which of the 4 people with access leaked it.
I appreciate Manchu's help in removing it from here though.
Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, 2 Characters, Custodes and Sisters of Silence. That's a LOT to cram into a single box.
Heretian wrote: No. The owner was me. I have a copy in advance but I can't release details as its an industry thing. The photo was taken without permission from an internal private chat. I am working on finding out which of the 4 people with access leaked it.
I appreciate Manchu's help in removing it from here though.
Well to be fair mate, it's the Internet. It's out there, and 4Chan has it. It's never going away.
@ the_scotsman: There's only 1 style of tactical sprue in BaC. I'd assume Prospero will follow, especially as it's going to have Custodes and Sisters of Silence on top of Bjorn/Ahriman, Tartaros & MkIII. That as it is is already more variety than BaC.
And the most recent non-marine/non-Tau troop would be the Eldar Jetbikes.
Heretian wrote: No. The owner was me. I have a copy in advance but I can't release details as its an industry thing. The photo was taken without permission from an internal private chat. I am working on finding out which of the 4 people with access leaked it.
plessiez wrote: Does the bottom really say "brand new bored game". That's either a terrible spelling mistake to get through proofing or this is maybe fake.
I think it says "boxed game".
I think you're right. That makes a lot more sense.
GW has been doing a good job over the past year or so and this is another nice step. They still screw up regarding prices outside of big boxed sets like $30 space marine single monopose figs but at least they're generally giving folks what they've wanted for years at an affordable price en masse. It's sad that it's probably too late to rekindle my interest personally (at least until they dump the current ruleset completely).
warboss wrote: (at least until they dump the current ruleset completely).
I always figured either this or plastic Sisters (of Battle) would be my breaking points. But it looks like Prospero Burns boxed set with plastic Sisters (of Silence) could be my third weakness.
I am simultaneously sorry for Heretian and insanely jealous. I don't expect this to be answered but is there anything new for Aos? Edit The ultimate guide is about commoragh I think.
There's no point deleting the picture. I seen it on two big sites. It's going to be all over the place soon. May as well just share it. Once something is uploaded to the internet you can't take it back.
Wow. I kept the Stormcast side of the AoS starter around on the assumption I'd have to convert truescale Custodes using the bitz from this for flavour, but hell if those aren't already almost the right size if those are indeed 40mm bases. Will have to try and flog the Land Marines off now.
So what, TS MK3, TS melee Tartaros, Custodes, SoS, and a SW character? Dayum, I want several...
How long can a human being survive on nothing but beans on toast, do you think?
well, technically Heretian did "release" it - he took the photo and "released" it to a small group of friends, who then distributed it further.
None of which is especially relevant, it's out there, Manchu has taken the decision to respect Heretian's wishes as the original photographer to remove the photo from Dakka, but it's easily accessible to anyone who spends any amount of time using the internet, so it doesn't particularly matter.
Motograter wrote: With it being November issue. The release will be October so not that much saving time
Not necessarily. Gorechosen was on the cover this month and it doesn't release until next week.
The new white dwarf seems to be going for half review half preview so it will be sometime between the middle of October and the Middle of November.
To be fair though, Gorechosen has been up for Pre-order since before that WD came out, and Angel's Blade wasn't previewed in WD and yet it came out today.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: To be fair though, Gorechosen has been up for Pre-order since before that WD came out, and Angel's Blade wasn't previewed in WD and yet it came out today.
Yeah, but then Kharn and Traitors Hate were shown in White Dwarf and went up for preorder after it came out.
Yodhrin wrote: Wow. I kept the Stormcast side of the AoS starter around on the assumption I'd have to convert truescale Custodes using the bitz from this for flavour, but hell if those aren't already almost the right size if those are indeed 40mm bases. Will have to try and flog the Land Marines off now.
So what, TS MK3, TS melee Tartaros, Custodes, SoS, and a SW character? Dayum, I want several...
How long can a human being survive on nothing but beans on toast, do you think?
Quite a while, beans on toast is good eating especially if you add extras every now and then(grated cheddar, bits of bacon or sausages, omelette and of course a few dashes of Worcestershire sauce). Its the survival of every one down wind that would concern me I was actually thinking that spare Stormcast heads might work for converting the Custodes with bare heads? Although the Sisters probably have uncovered heads going by the older artwork out there, so maybe I should get over my aversion to it.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: To be fair though, Gorechosen has been up for Pre-order since before that WD came out, and Angel's Blade wasn't previewed in WD and yet it came out today.
Yeah, but then Kharn and Traitors Hate were shown in White Dwarf and went up for preorder after it came out.
It was only 1 day after though. (September's WD was officially released on the 2nd of September, Traitor's Hate and Kharn went up on the 3rd for Pre-order).
My apologies to Heretian, being a continent away I have no idea how it managed to reach a total randomerror such as myself, didn't intend for anyone to get into trouble! But please don't PM me asking to send it, I'm sure it's up elsewhere and I wish to respect the mods and Heretians will.
What I will say though is the space wolf guy looks to have a massive lightning claw, so my initial thoughts were it might be bjorn but if fluff memory serves me correctly, he didn't have the claw at that point?
Thankfully not all the pics got leaked as I did post those too to my friends.
All I will say is that it will be worth it. It is not Bjorn on the cover. The price is actually respectable and the mini's in full detail are great.
I don't blame anyone for seeing it. Yes I tried to contain it when it first got out but its fairly moot now. At least 2 sites ignored my request to take down the photo and are now being linked to by everyone else.
With it only being a cover shot it should be ok my end I hope but I certainly won't be taking pics of more for friends in the future when I see them early.
In a few weeks I may give out some more details but for now keep saving your pennies.
Thank you Charax -came here to late, and had missed the cover pic had it not been for your exelent scratch drawn stand in.
If the real pic is anything like yours, Im really looking forward to this!
Total speculation but I think either Prospero is going to cost more than Calth or its going to have less Marines. At least five Custodes and however many Sisters of silence are in the box is already more plastic than the Calth dread.
Still baffled at the Custodes inclusion, wonder why FW didn't want a stab at them. There's a power armour character that looks very similar to the Chaos Lord in the Warhammer Quest box.
If it isn't Bjorn officially it looks very similar but I'll take it if FW then make another version.
Presumably 5 custodes plus SW character plus 10 MK3 (looks like marines at the top of the image) v 5 tartaros, 20 MK3 and Ahriman who is probably hiding behind the free WD gift. Certainly looks likely from the way the SW guy is heading. Maybe only one sister of silence in the box then and she's hidden in the image too? All speculation though but that seems fairly balanced.
October looks pricey, presumably the Prospero FW book can't be far off, Leman Russ was nearly done, at least 2 boxes of this.
Kijamon wrote: Still baffled at the Custodes inclusion, wonder why FW didn't want a stab at them. There's a power armour character that looks very similar to the Chaos Lord in the Warhammer Quest box.
If it isn't Bjorn officially it looks very similar but I'll take it if FW then make another version.
Presumably 5 custodes plus SW character plus 10 MK3 (looks like marines at the top of the image) v 5 tartaros, 20 MK3 and Ahriman who is probably hiding behind the free WD gift. Certainly looks likely from the way the SW guy is heading. Maybe only one sister of silence in the box then and she's hidden in the image too? All speculation though but that seems fairly balanced.
October looks pricey, presumably the Prospero FW book can't be far off, Leman Russ was nearly done, at least 2 boxes of this.
Sorry wallet...
Them being some plastic Custodes in here doesn't mean Forge World won't do them, considering they're rumoured to have a full army list including vehicles (well part of a list with SoS but apparently the Custodes have enough variety in the list to do an army just of them). I don't think Forge World will leave it at 5 plastic Custodes to cover that. They're also meant to be doing Valedor.
Heretian wrote: Yes I tried to contain it when it first got out but its fairly moot now.
I quite agree. We like to be friendly around here so I didn't like to argue when you asked for our cooperation. But banning the image here of course has no effect. For that reason, I'm lifting said ban for now and reposting the image in the OP.
notprop wrote: Definitely gonna have to buy a bigger house now.
Man-cave activate!
We're gonna need a bigger cave, seriously the top of my wardrobe is running out of space to put all my un-assembled boxes its getting embarrassing.
Just when you go to make a start on the back-log, a sweet new thing comes out.
Thousand Sons, Tartaros Termies, Custodes, Sister of Silence and all the hopefully new Tzeentch stuff with the next Fenris campaign. GW please..... think of the pennies.
Is there def Sisters of Silence as want those badly !
Also guessing even if this is a limited boxed game range at the very least FW will expand
Well, obviously there aren't any pictures yet since all we have is the WD cover, but Sad Panda (who's very reliable) said they'd be there and has been proven right about Custodes, so the chances are good.
That's as definitive as anyone can be about SoS until new pics emerge really.
Is there def Sisters of Silence as want those badly !
Also guessing even if this is a limited boxed game range at the very least FW will expand
There are two black clad models on smaller bases at the top of the image which look like female power armour. Hard to make out but they look like 25mm bases. Might just be a trick of perspective on the bases but the minis seem to be "normal" human size.
It looks as if it will replace Calth so the Prospero box will last 12 months or so until the plastics in this move into the ordinary range. I'd expect FW to use the plastics as a base for their Prospero range so the Custodes will be the basic troops with conversion packs for alternative troopers and characters.
Is there def Sisters of Silence as want those badly !
Also guessing even if this is a limited boxed game range at the very least FW will expand
There are two black clad models on smaller bases at the top of the image which look like female power armour. Hard to make out but they look like 25mm bases. Might just be a trick of perspective on the bases but the minis seem to be "normal" human size.
It looks as if it will replace Calth so the Prospero box will last 12 months or so until the plastics in this move into the ordinary range. I'd expect FW to use the plastics as a base for their Prospero range so the Custodes will be the basic troops with conversion pack for alternative troopers and characters.
Fairly certain the 'black' clad power armoured models at the top are VI Legion marines
Hmh. Shouldn't Custodes be bare-chested? Or is that only for guard duty, not war? They look a wee bit overblinged, anyway. SoS might be great, but they're NOT SoB :/ SW dude seems to be a fantastic model though, similiar to the metal Logan Grimnar and that was my favourite Termi for a long time (until SH Mephiston, probably, or still is). Might have to bits buy him if the sisters are meh, I'm indifferent about Mk3 armour.
PS: Please GW, make the Warhammer world into a historical setting for specialist games or whatever, but using TW:Warhammer to rub salt into the wound is cruel.
Fairly certain the 'black' clad power armoured models at the top are VI Legion marines
Don't look bulky enough and don't seem to match the colours of the Lightning claw Wolf in the front and the part Wolf behind the Grombrindal freebie. Might be because they're in shadow but I don't think the professional pictures would include that degree of darkness. The legs look different and the silhouette doesn't match a marine one.
They stopped wearing the power armour after the Emperor was confined to the Golden Throne.
As far as I'm aware the bare chest is based on the only official Custodes miniature released. The Imperial bodyguard from the first Rogue Trader releases.
I was hoping for different unit types, not just armor marks. If it has breachers, assault marines, etc, that would be an easy buy. I may be alone in not caring about sisters, custodes, etc. Legion specific characters are another mark against the box. While I’d not mind painting them, they don’t fit my army.
I could use 100% of the BaC box. So its value was amazing. Depending how many basic marines/terminators are in this one, I might only care about 2/3s of it, so it’s not that big a deal. I’d love to be wrong. as I’ve had a small chunk of change set aside waiting for this.
Nevelon wrote: I was hoping for different unit types, not just armor marks. If it has breachers, assault marines, etc, that would be an easy buy. I may be alone in not caring about sisters, custodes, etc. Legion specific characters are another mark against the box. While I’d not mind painting them, they don’t fit my army.
I could use 100% of the BaC box. So its value was amazing. Depending how many basic marines/terminators are in this one, I might only care about 2/3s of it, so it’s not that big a deal. I’d love to be wrong. as I’ve had a small chunk of change set aside waiting for this.
That's a bit silly complaining about the lack of special units and about the box including not just generic marines at the same time..
While that would be much better for you, If it fitted your needs exactly, most people would complain, that just power armor gets some love. AGAIN.
Its much more difficult to acquire Sisters of Silence and Custodes, than shields and jump packs. Plus it does have Tartaros.
Nevelon wrote: I was hoping for different unit types, not just armor marks. If it has breachers, assault marines, etc, that would be an easy buy. I may be alone in not caring about sisters, custodes, etc. Legion specific characters are another mark against the box. While I’d not mind painting them, they don’t fit my army.
I could use 100% of the BaC box. So its value was amazing. Depending how many basic marines/terminators are in this one, I might only care about 2/3s of it, so it’s not that big a deal. I’d love to be wrong. as I’ve had a small chunk of change set aside waiting for this.
That's a bit silly complaining about the lack of special units and about the box including not just generic marines at the same time..
While that would be much better for you, If it fitted your needs exactly, most people would complain, that just power armor gets some love. AGAIN.
Its much more difficult to acquire Sisters of Silence and Custodes, than shields and jump packs. Plus it does have Tartaros.
People looking at this box as a legion building tool are probably going to be fairly common. I think that’s one of the reasons BaC was so popular. The more “other stuff” they cram in here reduces that, and thus the overall popularity of the box.
But if I just want to add more era appropriate marines to my force, why this over BaC? I’ve got a ton of basic infantry as it is. And if I don’t care about mixing in a little mk. 7, way more then I need. What I was hoping for was a box that would deliver more legion stuff that wasn’t previously available. The terminators have different rules then the capheract ones. But besides that, from a game mechanics POV, there is no “hook” to get me to buy this.
At least as a mono-legion player playing someing other then 1kSons or SW. The allied forces of custodios and sisters are great for those who want them. But that’s not me.
Nostromodamus wrote: I find it hilarious that the guy who leaked the pic is angry about the pic being leaked
There is a big difference. If for example you share something between trusted friends then one just shows everybody. It hardly puts that or you in a good light.
I'd be angry too.
The picture is far to blurry anyway. I just hope that the SoS are actually decent. Also that you get a helmet head for the Custodes leader.
Heretian wrote: All I will say is that it will be worth it. It is not Bjorn on the cover. The price is actually respectable and the mini's in full detail are great.
Can you tell us the price and what's in the box please?
Nostromodamus wrote: I find it hilarious that the guy who leaked the pic is angry about the pic being leaked
There is a big difference. If for example you share something between trusted friends then one just shows everybody. It hardly puts that or you in a good light.
I'd be angry too.
He leaked it to his buddies, then got angry that a buddy leaked it.
If non-leakage was really important to him he wouldn't have leaked it to his mate in the first place.
My excitement levels are dangerously high seeing this. My favourite armour mark in plastic, Tartaros termies, and I didn't know how much I wanted some Custodes until now!
Also if the WD is giving 30% off the game (I think that's what the text says) and a free lord I'll definitely be buying the magazine and the game. November is looking very expensive...
Automatically Appended Next Post: My only reservation is that the Custodes look a little static from that image, but as a filthy traitor, they're not of any great interest to me anyways.
The free gift is very disappointing. We go from model, to comic book, to a digital character. What'should December going to have, a rub-on tattoo?
It looks like this game won't be as useful as Calth. The shoulder pauldrons look molded. Disappointing, but I can't bring myself to start a new army now anyway. I would have loved to use these as 30K Imperial Fists. Oh well.
Nostromodamus wrote: I find it hilarious that the guy who leaked the pic is angry about the pic being leaked
There is a big difference. If for example you share something between trusted friends then one just shows everybody. It hardly puts that or you in a good light.
I'd be angry too.
He leaked it to his buddies, then got angry that a buddy leaked it.
If non-leakage was really important to him he wouldn't have leaked it to his mate in the first place.
You don't see the difference in showing your friends something and showing everyone something?
casvalremdeikun wrote: The free gift is very disappointing. We go from model, to comic book, to a digital character. What'should December going to have, a rub-on tattoo?
It looks like this game won't be as useful as Calth. The shoulder pauldrons look molded. Disappointing, but I can't bring myself to start a new army now anyway. I would have loved to use these as 30K Imperial Fists. Oh well.
casvalremdeikun wrote: The free gift is very disappointing. We go from model, to comic book, to a digital character. What'should December going to have, a rub-on tattoo?
It looks like this game won't be as useful as Calth. The shoulder pauldrons look molded. Disappointing, but I can't bring myself to start a new army now anyway. I would have loved to use these as 30K Imperial Fists. Oh well.
They don't look moulded to me, probably transfers again.
Heretian wrote: No. The owner was me. I have a copy in advance but I can't release details as its an industry thing. The photo was taken without permission from an internal private chat. I am working on finding out which of the 4 people with access leaked it.
And then...
I'll have to look through my old GW stuff now because I think that picture was accompanied by a caption describing Commisar duties as seeing to the moral of the troops.
I am a bit confused. The Original Poster didn't want to have this leaked out, but he made the post and put the pic in. Then he wanted it out?
Is he saying his friend hacked or used his Dakka account to post the pic? If so, the Original Poster could have just deleted the pic and a Mod wouldn't have to delete it and then undelete it.
So I am not sure what is going on.
Also since it's a November date that means it comes out in October? Ohhh does this mean no Genestealer Cult codex coming out in November with such a big release like this?
Also if Novembers issue is out already that means October issues is ready, so is December and January, February issues made as well?
Davor wrote: I am a bit confused. The Original Poster didn't want to have this leaked out, but he made the post and put the pic in. Then he wanted it out?
Is he saying his friend hacked or used his Dakka account to post the pic? If so, the Original Poster could have just deleted the pic and a Mod wouldn't have to delete it and then undelete it.
So I am not sure what is going on.
The guy complaining and the OP are not the same person and have different usernames. Heck, the OP might not even be the person who leaked it but rather saw the image elsewhere and just posted the scoop on dakka. In any case, the image is back so who should yesterday's drama matter?
I like the Custodes (at least I think that's what he is) with the mohawk and the hand resting on the sword the most.
A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Less people will be buying those things from FW, but the idea probably is to get more people buying heresy stuff, so then they'll go to Forge World for the vehicles, characters, legion specific units, weapons etc. So they might lose sales on the basic stuff that's now in plastic, but probably gain sales in everything else.
ImAGeek wrote:The OP isn't the one who took the picture. OP found it elsewhere and posted it.
I thought the OP took the pic but then asked the mod to take it down.
warboss wrote:
Davor wrote: I am a bit confused. The Original Poster didn't want to have this leaked out, but he made the post and put the pic in. Then he wanted it out?
Is he saying his friend hacked or used his Dakka account to post the pic? If so, the Original Poster could have just deleted the pic and a Mod wouldn't have to delete it and then undelete it.
So I am not sure what is going on.
The guy complaining and the OP are not the same person and have different usernames. Heck, the OP might not even be the person who leaked it but rather saw the image elsewhere and just posted the scoop on dakka. In any case, the image is back so who should yesterday's drama matter?
I like the Custodes (at least I think that's what he is) with the mohawk and the hand resting on the sword the most.
Yesterdays drama? I missed a few hours and woke up today, I thought this happened this morning lol.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Less people will be buying those things from FW, but the idea probably is to get more people buying heresy stuff, so then they'll go to Forge World for the vehicles, characters, legion specific units, weapons etc. So they might lose sales on the basic stuff that's now in plastic, but probably gain sales in everything else.
Besides the add on upgrade packs and the like, there is also the fact that in large volumes, the profit margin on plastic is higher then resin. So even if they sell the same number of kits, they make more money.
Plastic has a higher up-front cost, but less cost per mini. So for bulk things like basic troops, it makes a lot of sense.
pretre wrote: So the guy who took the pic says that's not Bjorn? Despite it being a big nasty SW with a claw on Prospero? That's gotta be bjorn.
And the similarity to old artwork has had people saying for quite a while that the TS character has got to be Ahriman, but there's also been a lot of speculation that he's just a TS librarian who used the Ahriman artwork as a basis. Either character could go either way, and I think that's probably deliberate, to give a more "generic" option that people can use to stand in for these two extremely popular characters, particularly if the official FW versions are a ways off. Heck, people have been saying that the Custodes with the bare head looks a lot like Valdor, but could also be a generic Custodes officer who looks the part.
pretre wrote: So the guy who took the pic says that's not Bjorn? Despite it being a big nasty SW with a claw on Prospero? That's gotta be bjorn.
Bjorn didn't have a claw on Prospero. He had an axe. Prospero is where he lost his arm that he later replaced with a claw (in a short story, can't remember the name).
pretre wrote: So the guy who took the pic says that's not Bjorn? Despite it being a big nasty SW with a claw on Prospero? That's gotta be bjorn.
Bjorn didn't have a claw on Prospero. He had an axe. Prospero is where he lost his arm that he later replaced with a claw (in a short story, can't remember the name).
Yeah, I knew that but I figured they were ignoring that for rule of cool.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Without the BaC set I never would have ordered a spartan or anything else HH related because now the entry cost into the game drastically cheaper than before. It creates good business for both overall.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Less people will be buying those things from FW, but the idea probably is to get more people buying heresy stuff, so then they'll go to Forge World for the vehicles, characters, legion specific units, weapons etc. So they might lose sales on the basic stuff that's now in plastic, but probably gain sales in everything else.
Besides the add on upgrade packs and the like, there is also the fact that in large volumes, the profit margin on plastic is higher then resin. So even if they sell the same number of kits, they make more money.
Plastic has a higher up-front cost, but less cost per mini. So for bulk things like basic troops, it makes a lot of sense.
And in addition to all that it takes pressure of FW's production facilities as they don't have to keep churning out basic marines.
casvalremdeikun wrote: The free gift is very disappointing. We go from model, to comic book, to a digital character. What'should December going to have, a rub-on tattoo?
It looks like this game won't be as useful as Calth. The shoulder pauldrons look molded. Disappointing, but I can't bring myself to start a new army now anyway. I would have loved to use these as 30K Imperial Fists. Oh well.
They don't look moulded to me, probably transfers again.
I hope you are right. They do look a little raised, but I am hopefully wrong.
Chikout wrote:So are my eyes deceiving me or does the gift also include a 30% discount on the game? If so that's actually a pretty good gift.
Am I the only one who sees a sister in plain sight?
Let me elaborate; the first time I looked at the picture I saw Custodes, TS and a misshapen figure inbetween. Later when people start indicating a SW I saw it too and it was part of the misshapen mini. But with the Wolf being blonde there is a mini right behind him too. Its very slim and on a smaller base.
Am I the only one who sees a sister in plain sight?
Let me elaborate; the first time I looked at the picture I saw Custodes, TS and a misshapen figure inbetween. Later when people start indicating a SW I saw it too and it was part of the misshapen mini. But with the Wolf being blonde there is a mini right behind him too. Its very slim and on a smaller base.
I defenitely see a sister in this mini.
Cheers and take a look for yourselves Daniel
The one with the foot on rock above and to the right of the banner guy? I agree. Been saying it but people don't believe. Clearer picture will hopefully prove.
Yes thats it. I see it clearly as a seperate mini. I at least hope it is. But as it stands it is allready beond my wildest dreams this set is about to drop.
Besides Im glad Im not the only one who is seeing this
Nah Man Pichu wrote: A little unrelated, but it's something I've been wondering.
I know it's all under the same roof, but since BaC it's seemed kind of odd that GW is releasing basically the same thing FW is, except plastic and WAY cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic about it, but it seems like every box set they release means less people are going to be buying these armor marks and terminators from FW.
Are there people who are willing to pay a lot more for a small uptick in quality? Does GW not care because money is money, whether it's coming from FW or GW sales?
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but somebody help me out.
Less people will be buying those things from FW, but the idea probably is to get more people buying heresy stuff, so then they'll go to Forge World for the vehicles, characters, legion specific units, weapons etc. So they might lose sales on the basic stuff that's now in plastic, but probably gain sales in everything else.
I think there is a certain context that's important... FW has certain production volume limitations, some of the stuff phased out over the last 2 years from their catalog was to accommodate more new stuff... FW moved into a larger production space this year but GW's attitude about it appears to be this is all they'll get and that if FW needs more capacity GW will take the burden instead expanding FW anymore. When GW takes over sales of certain models by selling plastics the volume of that model FW has to produce declines and their resources can be reallocated.
While it might not at first make sense that GW would replace a premium product with a more moderately priced one... It does when you consider that GW plastic kits have a higher margin... Resin is more labor intensive and has more regularly occurring reinvestment costs as molds wear out... Simply put GW makes more from selling $200 worth of plastic kits then $200 worth of resin models. The investment in plastic only makes sense when the expected volume is high enough; to that end FW can serve as a gauge for that.
Am I the only one who sees a sister in plain sight?
Let me elaborate; the first time I looked at the picture I saw Custodes, TS and a misshapen figure inbetween. Later when people start indicating a SW I saw it too and it was part of the misshapen mini. But with the Wolf being blonde there is a mini right behind him too. Its very slim and on a smaller base.
I defenitely see a sister in this mini.
Cheers and take a look for yourselves Daniel
The custodes did have a detachment of the sisters of silence with them during this battle
Makes me wonder what Duncan was painting that he said during the Warhammer World livestream but he couldnt tell us and we would find out in about 2 months. I thought it was this but since models are obviously already done, I wonder what that little secret project was.
Hope its new Tzeentch stuff.
Also, so this box will release during next month right?
unmercifulconker wrote: Makes me wonder what Duncan was painting that he said during the Warhammer World livestream but he couldnt tell us and we would find out in about 2 months. I thought it was this but since models are obviously already done, I wonder what that little secret project was.
Hope its new Tzeentch stuff.
Also, so this box will release during next month right?
Would be the assumption. I have heard from two GW distributors that Prospero will come out in Oct. Which would make sense as the Mag in Nov talks about it and will prob have battle reps on it.
unmercifulconker wrote: Makes me wonder what Duncan was painting that he said during the Warhammer World livestream but he couldnt tell us and we would find out in about 2 months. I thought it was this but since models are obviously already done, I wonder what that little secret project was.
Hope its new Tzeentch stuff.
Also, so this box will release during next month right?
Would be the assumption. I have heard from two GW distributors that Prospero will come out in Oct. Which would make sense as the Mag in Nov talks about it and will prob have battle reps on it.
Maybe preco for the 10/29 and the release for 11/5?
Wait and see..
Spyro_Killer wrote: What in the name of god is october's WD? Hard to compete with november's
It will just talk about Traitors Hate and Angles Blade so old news. . Pretty underwhelming now eh?
i don't even want custodes...just a pink limo for my genestealers to get around in
I am like you my friend. Sadly after seeing this cover, I don't think Genestealer Cult is coming out in October now. After all don't you think they should be the one to grace the cover of a White Dwarf magazine? So maybe November or like (sorry forgot his name) said that GSC will not be released this year like he though would be. As for the teaser GW put out, it could be or the Deathwatch video game. Seems like GW is hyping up video games now.
Am I the only one who sees a sister in plain sight?
Let me elaborate; the first time I looked at the picture I saw Custodes, TS and a misshapen figure inbetween. Later when people start indicating a SW I saw it too and it was part of the misshapen mini. But with the Wolf being blonde there is a mini right behind him too. Its very slim and on a smaller base.
I defenitely see a sister in this mini.
Cheers and take a look for yourselves Daniel
If you're looking at what I think you're looking at, it looks to me like the Space Wolf has an old school back banner, and not a model right behind him.
Truth be told, this picture is way too small and fuzzy for much of anything to be clear, and I can't help but wonder how much of what we think we're seeing is just what we want to see.
Warhams-77 wrote: The November White Dwarf will get released on the first Friday of that month. Preorder of the game could be the next day. November 5th.
Whose is this towards? From what I thought, White Dwarf talks about what came out before it, not what is coming afterwards. So if the WD comes out in November, they are talking about what came out in October. Has this changed and I am wrong once again?
Warhams-77 wrote: The November White Dwarf will get released on the first Friday of that month. Preorder of the game could be the next day. November 5th.
Whose is this towards? From what I thought, White Dwarf talks about what came out before it, not what is coming afterwards. So if the WD comes out in November, they are talking about what came out in October. Has this changed and I am wrong once again?
We've only had one issue so we don't really know for sure. But in September, Kharn and Traitors hate went up for preorder the day after.
The models in the background you can see legs that look like the sisters of silence. Looking foreword to better pics. I kinda hope the sisters of silence will work for 40k sisters.
Plastic tartoros termies is a HUGE deal for 30k players. Tartoros armour is a really good choice for a lot of the consoles but the problem is converting them.
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
That being said.....some poor soul was definately fired for this....and said poor soul has probably murdered whatever arsehole friend shared those pictures on the night and screwed his buddy out of a career......but I've no sympathy for him as he should know better and those models are friggin awesome. Thanks poor jobless/friendless dude
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
That being said.....some poor soul was definately fired for this....and said poor soul has probably murdered whatever arsehole friend shared those pictures on the night and screwed his buddy out of a career......but I've no sympathy for him as he should know better and those models are friggin awesome. Thanks poor jobless/friendless dude
Its pretty silly to think that all of the "leaks" GW has done in the past X years are all employees sneaking them/ friends sneaking them. I'm not one for conspiracies, but id be willing to bet quite a lot that its all part of their marketing to "pretend" it got out to build hype.
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
Curious how you feel you can post something so spectacularly ill-informed and inaccurate and not be challenged on it?
Nothing GW does will ever be good enough for some, of course. But just to be sporting, why not wait for some clear images?
No joke... they look like the Heresy art that has been around for the past 10 years... you are disappointed they look exactly as they should? Being gold and human is enough to make them Sigmarine knock-offs? Come on, a little patience, the details on these could be incredible and be more than enough to make them special, hold your horses bro... You may still hate them even then but it's a bit early to burn the bridge based on 20 pixel tall images.
motski wrote: It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear
We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.
I see 2 of them- one in the back left is pointing it out forwards, and the one on the right, mostly hidden behind the Total WArhammer code has one angled up to the right.
So that custodes next to Bjorn is totally Constantin Valdor, (second in command next to the emp of custodes) Mohawk and all. He was present on Prospero during the attack.
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
Curious how you feel you can post something so spectacularly ill-informed and inaccurate and not be challenged on it?
Midnightdeathblade wrote: So that custodes next to Bjorn is totally Constantin Valdor, (second in command next to the emp of custodes) Mohawk and all. He was present on Prospero during the attack.
However, Forgeworld said that they were doing a Valdor model (from what I remember) and Valdor has a halberd. Mohawks could just be a common haircut amongst Custodes.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: So that custodes next to Bjorn is totally Constantin Valdor, (second in command next to the emp of custodes) Mohawk and all. He was present on Prospero during the attack.
However, Forgeworld said that they were doing a Valdor model (from what I remember) and Valdor has a halberd. Mohawks could just be a common haircut amongst Custodes.
That, combined with the earlier comment by Heretian that the SW character is not Bjorn makes me suspect that they put in characters that take design cues from specific characters (Ahriman, Bjorn, and Valdor) but are meant to be more generic (Thousand Sons librarian, Space Woves officer, Custodes officer), providing players with a character that's close enough to use as those named characters until FW does them, but not so completely specific that they're a pain to use as anyone BUT those characters.
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
Curious how you feel you can post something so spectacularly ill-informed and inaccurate and not be challenged on it?
I was actually wondering the very same thing...
I am curious what companies that did not specifically say it was for GW products were litigated against?
Still, this is pretty exciting to see. Really like that they have made it affordable to get into 30k. Now its reasonable to get the chapter specific conversion kits rather than have to buy both and then waste a bunch of resin.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: So that custodes next to Bjorn is totally Constantin Valdor, (second in command next to the emp of custodes) Mohawk and all. He was present on Prospero during the attack.
However, Forgeworld said that they were doing a Valdor model (from what I remember) and Valdor has a halberd. Mohawks could just be a common haircut amongst Custodes.
That, combined with the earlier comment by Heretian that the SW character is not Bjorn makes me suspect that they put in characters that take design cues from specific characters (Ahriman, Bjorn, and Valdor) but are meant to be more generic (Thousand Sons librarian, Space Woves officer, Custodes officer), providing players with a character that's close enough to use as those named characters until FW does them, but not so completely specific that they're a pain to use as anyone BUT those characters.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: So that custodes next to Bjorn is totally Constantin Valdor, (second in command next to the emp of custodes) Mohawk and all. He was present on Prospero during the attack.
However, Forgeworld said that they were doing a Valdor model (from what I remember) and Valdor has a halberd. Mohawks could just be a common haircut amongst Custodes.
That, combined with the earlier comment by Heretian that the SW character is not Bjorn makes me suspect that they put in characters that take design cues from specific characters (Ahriman, Bjorn, and Valdor) but are meant to be more generic (Thousand Sons librarian, Space Woves officer, Custodes officer), providing players with a character that's close enough to use as those named characters until FW does them, but not so completely specific that they're a pain to use as anyone BUT those characters.
Basically - special characters lite.
Probably intended to be used as the named characters in the board game's missions or whatever....but just generic enough to become fancy normal characters when FW release their £40 resin versions of them.
This is how GW should deal with competition - leverage its position and resources and offer a compelling alternative, not run around litigating.
Only seem to litigate when some asshat company directly uses their IP by labeling things oh I don't know GW Tervigon conversion kit or GW space marine Salamander shoulder pads. Haven't seem Kromlech or others get litigated.
Curious how you feel you can post something so spectacularly ill-informed and inaccurate and not be challenged on it?
I was actually wondering the very same thing...
I am curious what companies that did not specifically say it was for GW products were litigated against?
Well, there's the "trademark bullying" thing about the term Space Marine, people weren't too happy about that. Doesn't really answer your question but it's an example of GW being a bit trigger-happy. It's great to see people are finding a way to drag another thread off-topic, I guess in lieu of more pics it's to be expected
I wonder if we will ever get any plastic HH models that are not in a boxed game first? If GW keep up the board game release pattern they used for Calth it kinda rules out anything bigger and faster than a Dread.
GoatboyBeta wrote: I wonder if we will ever get any plastic HH models that are not in a boxed game first? If GW keep up the board game release pattern they used for Calth it kinda rules out anything bigger and faster than a Dread.
It seems the plan is to get people into heresy gaming so they can then discover those nice forgeworld kits.
Definitely a sister in the background of that pic. I wonder if the wayback machine would allow the clearer pic to be seen on the blood angels site?
GoatboyBeta wrote: I wonder if we will ever get any plastic HH models that are not in a boxed game first? If GW keep up the board game release pattern they used for Calth it kinda rules out anything bigger and faster than a Dread.
Probably not. It'd tread on FWs toes and why would you when they're doing such a great job?
Besides which, outside of the Contemptor and basic infantry (maybe Deimos Rhino and perhaps Deredo too these days) sales volumes presumably don't justify the outlay for plastic tooling when FW is doing just fine.
Looks like my question about Custodes pectorals was a bit of a pot stirrer I was just wondering because I recently read a wiki entry on them and they were described as bare-chested and the shirtless drawing is one of the things that has stuck with me, even after Dave Taylor's Custodes and those (CCG?) artworks with super blinged up Custodes. Would be 40k as hell to have shirtless guards.
According to John Blanche's portfolio they wore elaborate power armour (artificer?) during the Heresy and only dropped it for their "mourning" uniform post the Emperor's interment.
Mr_Rose wrote: According to John Blanche's portfolio they wore elaborate power armour (artificer?) during the Heresy and only dropped it for their "mourning" uniform post the Emperor's interment.
Which makes the bling models unlikely to appear in 40k. Unless of course the emperor wakes up.
I don't think it would be hard to work up a rational for why they would still use the armor in the 40k period, but also at times go armor less.
Perhaps 'on patrol' or otherwise public appearances they go armorless save the helmet, etc. But when on Duty (or in certain sectors of the Palace) they stil use the armor.
Like wise if for some reason they were ever called off for some duty the would use it again. (long standing order to occasionally do X in the name of the Emperor, or perhaps the circumstance that the Emperor some how gives a new order- or the politics of Terra demand they do X at some point to achieve Y- lots of potential things, I'd say...)
In general though I never thought Id see the day when these rolled out- I'm SUPER stoked.
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
Either that or the shirtless look somehow represents an upgrade in personal protection; subdermal forcefield generators or something? It shouldn't be too weird for the Emperor's personal guard to have protections utterly unknown outside the palace...
StupidYellow wrote: Aren't Custodes supposedly more powerful than a space marine ?
S.Y.
that's what I thought.
Fluff says they are in a one on one fight, but training varies between the two. SM focusing on force on force fights. The LC being more one on one and anti assassination. Youtube a vid of military combative training and then some crazy martial art like kali. Both are effective but in different situations.
motski wrote: It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear
We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.
Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.
motski wrote: It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear
We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.
Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.
The art earlier in this thread says they use laser weapons not bolters.
motski wrote: It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear
We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.
Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.
The art earlier in this thread says they use laser weapons not bolters.
The Guardian Spear was the traditional weapon of the Adeptus Custodes during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy. The spears were halberd-like power weapons incorporating a bolt weapon. The weapon's powerful ranged and close combat duality complemented the fighting style of this bodyguard force, giving them good capabilities in both close combat and at a distance. In battle, Custodes spin these weapons in great arcs, slaying enemies with each strike be it in melee combat or from afar.[2]
As symbol of their roles as sentinel, Deathwatch Watch Masters are also given Guardian Spears
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...
Yes, I did say "something stupid like", there are many, many other stupid things GW could do with the fluff to justify Custodes armies in 40K.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...
Yeah, took Horus 7 years to reach Terra with the might of 8 entire traitor legions. Knowing the difference between the HH writers and GW writers i'm sure Abaddon could do it in 2 weeks.
Before the Heresy, Custodes were often used as bodyguards for people deemed important enough to warrant that kind of protection. It wouldn't be that much of a retcon to allow Custodes units as allies for Imperial armies under the pretence of protecting someone marked by the divine will of the Emperor. The boys in gold do as they please anyway, who's to say they're not really acting on direct instructions of the Throne?
Like sort of a cooler looking Legion of the Damned.
His Master's Voice wrote: Before the Heresy, Custodes were often used as bodyguards for people deemed important enough to warrant that kind of protection. It wouldn't be that much of a retcon to allow Custodes units as allies for Imperial armies under the pretence of protecting someone marked by the divine will of the Emperor. The boys in gold do as they please anyway, who's to say they're not really acting on direct instructions of the Throne?
Like sort of a cooler looking Legion of the Damned.
Armies though, that wouldn't fly even in 30k.
That's what I was thinking. Basically a squad allied in would be the only way to use them in 40k(if they do allow it). I can't think of anyone with the "authority" to question the Custodus. If they say the Emperor Wills It, well then....
str00dles1 wrote: Its pretty silly to think that all of the "leaks" GW has done in the past X years are all employees sneaking them/ friends sneaking them. I'm not one for conspiracies, but id be willing to bet quite a lot that its all part of their marketing to "pretend" it got out to build hype.
I swear GW does this. The people at GW can't really be this incompetent and not want to give out "excitement" or "hype" for their products to be released.
Mr_Rose wrote:Either that or the shirtless look somehow represents an upgrade in personal protection; subdermal forcefield generators or something? It shouldn't be too weird for the Emperor's personal guard to have protections utterly unknown outside the palace...
Well the Imperial Guard or what ever those Jungle dudes are have those AWESOME T-shirts that give them better protection then Tyranid Chitin armour.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...
Yeah, took Horus 7 years to reach Terra with the might of 8 entire traitor legions. Knowing the difference between the HH writers and GW writers i'm sure Abaddon could do it in 2 weeks.
Although, if the Heresy novels are anything to go by, if Abaddon just went in a straight line, that would cut almost all of the time difference off!
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.
I've mixed feelings about Custodes and SoS appearing in the 40k timeframe myself, but I'd be surprised if GW make plastic models that don't end up having 40k rules in some form. As for there reasons for leaving? Perhaps the Imperial web way has become unstable/is being attacked by Chaos again and they need to head out into the galaxy to secure entryways or arcotech. They could be looking for Sensi(if we are talking Custodes might as well go for another deep cut ). Or they could go for the big one and have them looking for a reincarnated Emperor.
So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.
Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.
Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.
cuda1179 wrote: So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.
Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.
Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.
I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.
With regards to justifying Custodes in 40k, Primarchs returning is a logical one. It looks like Leman Russ might be on his way back out of the Eye of Terror, but are you really going to trust some monstrous guy walking out of the epicentre of mankind's greatest enemy? Some Custodes appearing to validate his claim to be a Primarch would be a logical leap, hell some of the Custodes might actually know the Primarchs personally.
cuda1179 wrote: So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.
Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.
Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.
I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.
Well, they are in between marines and the Primarchs in stats, but I'd say they are closer to marines than they are Primarchs. Perhaps a 5+ invulnerable?
Every other model in a starter set has gotten 40k rules. Contemptor Dread, Cataphractii Terminators, Genestealer cult, Deathwatch, etc. I'm pretty sure Custodes will as well. Even if their "army" is but a single choice and costs a TON of points.
Thinking about that.... I think there might be an easy way to estimate their cost and abilities. If we can find out the box contents the two sides are supposed to be evenly matched. If we figure out what the 1000 sons have, then subtract the space wolves, we get the combined cost of the SoS and the Custodes.
Mr Morden wrote: Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.
Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.
What if they tell us that Sisters of Silence were folded into the ranks of Ordo Hereticus, or even Sisters of Battle, after they were formalized as SoB in M36? SoS were still around, in very limited numbers (that we know of) as late as M32, and they'd be a fantastic "black ops" unit to have available for witch hunting, after all....
I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.
But, then, it seems that the most reliable rumor mongers have indicated some real love, and new releases, coming for Thousand Sons, who they've similarly crapped upon and tried to ignore for many years.
cuda1179 wrote: So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.
Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.
Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.
I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.
Well, they are in between marines and the Primarchs in stats, but I'd say they are closer to marines than they are Primarchs. Perhaps a 5+ invulnerable?
Every other model in a starter set has gotten 40k rules. Contemptor Dread, Cataphractii Terminators, Genestealer cult, Deathwatch, etc. I'm pretty sure Custodes will as well. Even if their "army" is but a single choice and costs a TON of points.
Thinking about that.... I think there might be an easy way to estimate their cost and abilities. If we can find out the box contents the two sides are supposed to be evenly matched. If we figure out what the 1000 sons have, then subtract the space wolves, we get the combined cost of the SoS and the Custodes.
They'll be matched for the rules of the boxed game, and the scenarios and available forces, in that game. Not necessarily for 30k/40k rules.
I think it's interesting that the WD cover specifies that it includes rules for "Legio Custodes in Horus Heresy battles", and not for use in 40k. What differences there'd be for Custodes between the two time frames, beyond "can be taken with x, y, or z as allies" type differences, will remain to be seen.
Mr Morden wrote: Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.
Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.
Haven't got caught up on it yet(Just started Watchers in death) but one of the covers for a future book in the series has a SoS front and center, and they have been mentioned in the books.
shade1313 wrote: I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.
Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.
If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.
shade1313 wrote: I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.
Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.
If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.
I'll be more impressed if all these armies are released and 8th edition doesn't invalidate, exterminate or just pretend they no longer exist.
Given you could do pretty much all of their troops with a combi box and their vehicles with a Rhino sprue, I can't imagine a small-but-perfectly-formed Sisters release is tooooo far off.
Current releases seem driven by fanboys internally, so 'no demand' is no longer a reason... following old GeeDub logic there'd been 'no demand' for GS Cult since the pewter models stopped being available, yet here we are... boxed game and release of a mini-army. The wind truly has changed!
shade1313 wrote: I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.
Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.
If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.
I'll be more impressed if all these armies are released and 8th edition doesn't invalidate, exterminate or just pretend they no longer exist.
The only way that would happen is if they don't sell. Which doesn't seem to be a problem.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: There is no "Mother of God" gif big enough to express my feelings. This is an Outside Context Problem for my bank account. When archaeologists find my mancave, they are going to wonder why the paintings suddenly stop with the arrival of the red-and-gold strangers.
Oh God... This made me laugh way too hard. Exalted!
Messiah wrote: I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?
Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?
P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
Well, according to current background, Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle really have nothing in common beside being an all female military organisation.
Messiah wrote: I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?
Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?
P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.
If I recall correctly the culexus temple is featured as one of the ''big six" in one of the HorusHeresy books where a group of assasins attempt to take out horus. (Can't remember the name)
Davor wrote: Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
No; apart from a coincidence of part of their name they are wholly unrelated; hers a quick guide to Warhammer 40k sisters:
Silence: secular, anti-psyker "null" force deployed during the great crusade to directly counter enemy warp-related shenanigans.
Battle: religious fanatics established several thousand years after the Heresy, who focus the latent psychic talent found in all humans to create minor "miracles" through faith.
Davor wrote: Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
No; apart from a coincidence of part of their name they are wholly unrelated; hers a quick guide to Warhammer 40k sisters:
Silence: secular, anti-psyker "null" force deployed during the great crusade to directly counter enemy warp-related shenanigans.
Battle: religious fanatics established several thousand years after the Heresy, who focus the latent psychic talent found in all humans to create minor "miracles" through faith.
Wellll....that actually remains to be seen. We only just found out that the Sisters of Silence survived the Heresy.
Messiah wrote: I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?
Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?
P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.
If I recall correctly the culexus temple is featured as one of the ''big six" in one of the HorusHeresy books where a group of assasins attempt to take out horus. (Can't remember the name)
Which, of course, directly counters previously established timelines laid out in Codex:Assassins (1st and 2nd edition).
Davor wrote: Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.
Davor wrote: Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.
The fluff actually goes back to 3.5 edition. I have the old Witchhunter Codex and it makes mention of the Decree Passive in direct relation to the SoB's creation. If they're related in any way after this, it's a retcon.
Davor wrote: Thanks everyone for explaining Sisters of Silence. I just wonder why some people keep saying SoS is SoB still. That is what confused me before.
Because gamers aren't capable of nuance when it comes to females in 40k. All women are either various eldar or sisters of battle.
Davor wrote: Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.
As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.
The fluff actually goes back to 3.5 edition. I have the old Witchhunter Codex and it makes mention of the Decree Passive in direct relation to the SoB's creation. If they're related in any way after this, it's a retcon.
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Yeah, I have the old fluff. I meant that I don't know what has been retconned after 5th because that was when I stopped buying codices.
I don't think GW would retcon them that way. The most I could see them doing is a retcon meant to elevate the prominence and impact of the Sisters of Silence. Some sort of retcon where the Sisters of Battle were still created by the Ecchlisiarchy because they couldn't have an army of men, but maybe where the SoB are somehow justified or propagandized as spirited successors of a tradition born from the Sisters of Silence.
Culexus is in Nemesis book, the tech used by them predates the Heresy, all that changes by 40k times is how much power the temples have.
When discussing timeline/GW changes etc it's worth remembering how the Heresy novels work. The 40k fluff is how the past is remembered or the "official" inquisition stamped version, when it comes to the Imperium. Heresy series is what actually happened. Hence why the Dark Angels story first match the fluff correctly.
Sure it's a useful retcon device but there are parallels in real history - we've lost records of stuff or don't know the real version of events less than 100 years old, let alone 10k years and a gigantic civilisation.
alanmckenzie wrote: Anyone else a little disappointed that they've already dropped the artwork cover of the September issue?
It takes effort to see the negatives in this leak by the way.
A little disappointed about the cover, but the box art wouldn't generate the amount of conversation this has. I prefer aos these days but with this and stealer cults the Sci fi stuff is definitely putting its best foot forward.
The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.
The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.
In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.
We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.
Mr Morden wrote: Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.
Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.
Yes, we already know that we do in fact actually learn a lot about that in that book series...
I'm really excited for GW Plastic Custodes, and I too hope that there are also some Sisters of Silence in there!
Of course, I also hope that the next edition of 40K makes me actually want to play 40K again too...
BUT, either way, this box will be too good to pass up, I think!
Indeed - I have not been getting that series - have they been mentioned already (other than in previews) or we are waiting to read about them?
Sisters of Silence were as important (or perhaps even more so) than the Custodes given that they were going after powerful pskyers in the shape of the Thousand Sons and their Primarch - hopefully the box will reflect that.
Sisters of Silence becoming the Daughters of the Emperor cult and then the Sisters of Battle under Vandire would be odd - moving from Blank, anti-religious anti-pyskers to religious zealots with powers from the divine but I guess the whole Imperium did that
Today I learned that there are two different types of Black Ships. One operated by the Inquisition, the other by Adeptus Astra Telepathica. You live and learn not very important things...
locarno24 wrote: The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.
The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.
In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.
We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.
The Black Ships are not crewed by Sisters. As far as I understand they are crewed by Inquisitor goons / Adeptus Telepathica.
I highly doubt Sisters could resist burning Psykers considering they despise them. Making a group of itchy trigger flamer happy group guard those they set fire to on a regular basis is counter productive.
locarno24 wrote: The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.
The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.
In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.
We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.
The Black Ships are not crewed by Sisters. As far as I understand they are crewed by Inquisitor goons / Adeptus Telepathica.
I highly doubt Sisters could resist burning Psykers considering they despise them. Making a group of itchy trigger flamer happy group guard those they set fire to on a regular basis is counter productive.
Unless modern fluff somewhere changed this.
S.Y.
They appear in several BL publications guarding Black Ships
If they are told to keep the psykers alive and guard them - thats what they will do - they are a highly disciplined military force - besides Psykers are a neccesary evil - the Emperor himself said so and thats good enough for the Sisterhood - see Naviagtors, Astropaths, Inquisitors, Astarts Libraians, Sanctioned Pyskers - - any of of which those in Black Ships may become
They may not like them - but they will not just go around burning Imperial asests.
Give them a good reason though.........but thats true of pretty much any imperial citizen or soldier.
awesome!
just noticed the custodes with the roman eagle style banner, lord hab mercy.
