Update 11 - HH Book 7: Inferno will bring full army lists for 30k
Spoiler:
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Yup, unfortunately Inferno is pretty much guaranteed to be coming out around the same time as the next Weekender (in February) at the earliest. They were still proofreading it back when the Amsterdam Open Day was happening.
commander dante wrote: In WD November 2016 (Page 50) the Designer says "I also Sculpted loads of Tiny Prosperan Glyphs and Icons on his Armour, Including a TINY TZEENTCH SYMBOL. Im not going to tell you where it is though, you'll have to find it yourself!"
Now in the Artwork behind the Text, the Tzeentch symbol is located on Ahrimans Right Leg (our Left)
Is it Located in the same place on the Model?
Think so yeah. It is tiny though, quite hard to make out.
Warhams-77 wrote: Some more info about the November WD from the GW webstore. It comes with rules for using Contemptor dreads in BoP
Contents
November’s White Dwarf is here, and with it a free download allowing you to add Grombrindal, the White Dwarf himself, to your games of Total War: Warhammer (with a handy 20% of the game itself if you haven’t got it yet). Inside, Prospero Burns! We’ve got the complete lowdown on the great new boxed game The Horus Heresy: Burning of Prospero, with a first look in Planet Warhammer, plus Designers’ Notes, Illuminations and some exclusive extra rules. Elsewhere we’ve got an ’Eavy Metal Masterclass on painting cloth, the Ultimate Guide to Commorragh and all your favourites like A Tale of Four Warlords, Golden Demon, the Battle Report and more!
In this packed issue, you’ll find:
Planet Warhammer – All the news
Contact – Our letters page
A Tale of Four Keyboards – Total War: Warhammer comes to White Dwarf
Golden Demon
A Tale of Four Warlords
Temporal Distort
Hall of Fame
A World in Flames – We take a look at the Burning of Prospero
The Ultimate Guide to… Commorragh
Army of the Month – Rik Turner’s Blood Ravens
The General’s Almanack – A brand-new series about gaming in the Age of Sigmar
Battle Report: The Border War
Armies on Parade
Illuminations: Prospero
Battleground: The Fortress of Kah’Rahkél
Rules for the Lord-Veritant in Warhammer Age of Sigmar, the Legio Custodes in Horus Heresy, and Contemptor Dreadnoughts in Burning of Prospero.
Sprues and Glue
Paint Splatter
’Eavy Metal Masterclass
Readers’ Models
In the Bunker
There is an unboxing video on Youtube. They obviously haven't read the rules ("same as BaC") but it gives a good look into the booklets and some of the other content we haven't seen in detail before
So as we all know, or should know, by now, on 22nd October you will be able to preorder the box on Games Workshop site. By 29th we will see the official release in the shops. The important news is that it is NOT an expansion to Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth. Rules and mechanics are different.
The box will be priced at 95 GBP, the painting guide at 6 GBP and there's also will be a novel available for 20 GBP.
The shops will also receive the following items to distribute as the please:
Art cards - 8 sets
Pin Badges (Ahriman, Geigor) - 70 (35 each)
D12 dice for Space Wolves
D12 dice for Thousand Sons
So what's in the box?
47 plastic miniatures
Geigor Fell-Hand
Ahriman
30x Tactical Marines MK3
5x Tartaros Terminators
5x Custodian Guard
5x Sisters of Silence
16 page background book
32 page rulebook
5 double sided tiles to play on
15 psychic power cards
36 warp energy and will power cards
24 dice - D6, D8, D10, D12
Weapons available on the sprues via Bolter and Chainsword:
Tactical squad
11 chainswords
1 power sword
2 power fists (with option for 1 lightning claw)
1 thunderhammer
7 bolt pistols
1 plasma pistol
1 plasma gun
1 melta gun
1 heavy bolter
10 bolters
Terminators
power fists (at least 4 can be lightning claws)
twin linked bolters
1 plasma blaster
1 volkite
1 power sword
1 autocannon
1 heavy flamer
grenade harness
Sisters of Silence
5 bolters
5 flamers
6 greatswords
The box offers a saving of 60% according to GW, so buy asap to save some money. They will get more expensive when they run out and you have to buy separately.
BrookM wrote: Those goodies will only be given to stores who pre-order more than 19 boxes from GW.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:
Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.
- Everything is multipart (besides the chars)
- Sisters have head and weapons options (boltguns, swords, flamers)
- Custodes have option for spears and swords/shields
- I love the mark III helm variants
Paradigm wrote: According to Atia they have bolters and flamers as well, it's a full multi-pose kit, so with some conversion using them as SoB is not at all out of the question. If an arm can take a Bolter or flamer it can take a melta, though I can see Heavy Weapons being more of an issue.
The biggest barrier would be that they appear a good half-head taller than the Marines around them, I don't know how easy that would be to remedy.
Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit
ImAGeek wrote: The Custodes and Sisters of Silence are both full kits according to Atia, i.e. With weapons options and stuff. So you might be able to give all the Sisters guns.
You are welcome, please credit Markain too. There could be more on 4chan where the pic is hosted. This seems to be a GW order catalogue page with specific info which is a welcome change from blurry pics
100% Will Buy! Those models look fantastic! The Tartaros Terminators and the fact it has 30 Mk III Marines sealed the deal. This will probably form the basis of my 30K Imperial Fists.
Ehhh I don't like the idea of custodes having rules for 40k cause they don't leave Terra or wear armor in 40k. Sisters of silence might be ok I don't know enough about them.
I wonder how much of a pain (or how expensive) it will be to get the Sisters once people start splitting up their boxes? Wouldn't mind a unit or two to paint, but not really interested in anything else there.
nagash42 wrote: Ehhh I don't like the idea of custodes having rules for 40k cause they don't leave Terra or wear armor in 40k. Sisters of silence might be ok I don't know enough about them.
Emperor get's killed by Cypher or some other force in 40k 'End-Times' (or some other catastrophe that has a huge impact), Custodes and SoS don their armour again and go hunting for the killer. Not really that hard to advance the timeline and find an explanation.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I wonder how much of a pain (or how expensive) it will be to get the Sisters once people start splitting up their boxes? Wouldn't mind a unit or two to paint, but not really interested in anything else there.
If they sell well - its always possible that they will be released separately or as a new Imperial faction/s.
No, this is definitely an October product. Preorder should be on October 22, release on October 29 - it will be in the upcoming WD which is going into preorder on the 22nd and released on the 28th (friday). The game's date is not 100% confirmed yet, but the cover of that WD was leaked already and shows Burning of Prospero.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I wonder how much of a pain (or how expensive) it will be to get the Sisters once people start splitting up their boxes? Wouldn't mind a unit or two to paint, but not really interested in anything else there.
Looking at the BaC releases, I wouldn't be surprised if they would release them seperatly
Had to chuckle, I glanced over when I saw the leak on facebook and said to my other half.. hmm the new Horus Heresy box has Sisters of Silence in it.. without any hesitation she said 'they're mine!' .. she also wants two boxes as she needs to have at least ten SoS and Custodes.. seems our 30K armies will be Wolves vs 1Ksons.. really glad I didn't sell my Calth, or undercoat it.. as some will require some Space Wolf peltage.
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
Weak pound has nothing to do with it, they just charge what the market will bear. Regional pricing is just weird in the modern age. It seems weird that they can do it, but they're not the only ones at it. Not defending it though
Very exciting box. I don't care for wolves or ksons very much but can easily repurpose everything bar the characters, and plastic sisters and custodes? F yeah.
This looks great. I used Betrayal at Calth as a basis to rebuild my Space Marine army for 40k, but I think I will likely paint this one up as standard and actually use it for the boardgame.
stompygitz wrote: So now my question is how many people are going to buy a bunch of SoS to make a sisters army?
Depends on several things:
The look and pricing of the new Sisters of Battle plastics
If the Sisters of Silence are also becoming a "current" 40k faction - they are def around post Heresy as shown in the Beast novel series.
Do the SOS get expanded on and/or released separately.
My guess is that the Sisters of Silence are going to be part of the Sisters of Battle in the 41st millennium. Zealot witch hunting nuns would certainly have great need for a bunch of zealot witch hunting blanks. They will be an elite choice in the new codex I see my gut feeling.
stompygitz wrote: So now my question is how many people are going to buy a bunch of SoS to make a sisters army?
Depends on several things:
The look and pricing of the new Sisters of Battle plastics
If the Sisters of Silence are also becoming a "current" 40k faction - they are def around post Heresy as shown in the Beast novel series.
Do the SOS get expanded on and/or released separately.
Sisters of Battle main dex with a SoS mini dex that runs along side it ala scions? This would amuse me and at the same time fix how they could be shoehorned into the current time line.
H.B.M.C. wrote: £95. That's a really good price. Wait a sec...
AUD$265? Two hundred and sixty five dollerydoos?
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
To hell with you...
The pricing for you guys is insane, obviously currency fluctuates but our Antipodean cousins are treated terribly.
nagash42 wrote: Ehhh I don't like the idea of custodes having rules for 40k cause they don't leave Terra or wear armor in 40k. Sisters of silence might be ok I don't know enough about them.
Yah I liked the idea of the 30k and 40k custodians being wildly different like that.
As for the sos all I know it's stated their order still man the black ships who pick up the Rouge psykers to feed the emperor and astronomincon.
I guess I'll buy a few. Should get my cash back just by selling marines alone - suspect them going for around 20ish on ebay. Besides of that it's pretty meh for me. Like "yay, that's all we need - more marines".
Now that we know plastic silent sisters are definitely a thing it makes me more inclined to believe plastic battle sisters - i could see them being rolled up together into one new book.
H.B.M.C. wrote: £95. That's a really good price. Wait a sec...
AUD$265? Two hundred and sixty five dollerydoos?
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
To hell with you...
Its the same price in Australia as silver tower and BAC. Here in Japan it is the equivalent of £173 right now, but most retail companies dont change prices because of exhange rate fluctuation.
Mark III space marines, Custodes and Sisters of Silence? I promised myself I wasn't going to pick up anymore GW kits but they really know how to get into my wallet
So this has been quite a week for leaks and info. Magnus, rubrics, amazing bloodbowl minis and now this. Mini wise this looks MUCH better than BAC.5 custodes and 5 sisters instead of the dreadnought. I wonder how it plays.
Will it use a version of the BAC rule set or something completely different?
Stormwall wrote: Thanks gents for the swift reply. I'll probably wait for the MK3 to be sold separate anyways like when GW did that with the Calth mk4.
Then again, I may not as there appear to be 30 marines per box set.
When Calth first came out you could pick up the tactical squads for £15ish on eBay. Those were the days... haven't looked for a while, they may be that cheap again.
Stormwall wrote: Thanks gents for the swift reply. I'll probably wait for the MK3 to be sold separate anyways like when GW did that with the Calth mk4.
Then again, I may not as there appear to be 30 marines per box set.
When Calth first came out you could pick up the tactical squads for £15ish on eBay. Those were the days... haven't looked for a while, they may be that cheap again.
They are about 20$ last I checked - I paid 45$ for one at my FLGS due it being my local game store but, even that is a rip off compared to Ebay prices. This looks to be a good deal.
Fluff says they stay on Terra. Therefore short of fluff change there's no reason to have them up and running around in 40k so short of scenario dealing battle in terra no custodes around.
Fluff says they stay on Terra. Therefore short of fluff change there's no reason to have them up and running around in 40k so short of scenario dealing battle in terra no custodes around.
So either very narrow scenario or fluff change.
Well you could always play Custodes vs Daemons. Battles in the webway?
Just when I thought I was done buying stuff, GW goes and does stuff like this. Taking the three Tactical Squads, the Tartaros Terminators, and buying Alexis Polux from Forgeworld may be in my future. Actually, I will probably get Betrayal at Calth as well to make a good sized HH-Era Imperial Fists army. And the Custodes and Sisters will probably just be for painting fun.
Where are you getting this? There will almost assuredly be a ML or HB on the sprue.
There are none in the pictures. I was hoping for some confirmation of which heavy weapons are on the sprue. Since we already have Mk4 ML and HB I was hoping they'd switch it up. Autocannons would be great, but that might be a long shot given that 40kSM can't take them.
casvalremdeikun wrote: How much do you want to bet that the profile for Geigor Fell-Hand will imply that he is often called Bjorn by Russ?
it's not him.
At Prospero Bjorn was no -one special and didn't have his claw at that time.
he lost his arm/hand there and got the claw afterwards.
Confirmed many, many times by people like Mr Goulding from BL.
Damn. Oh well. I really like the appearance of this new guy. He will be added to my SW characters. Honestly, a 40KSW player could find a good use for him no matter what (Wolf Lord, Wolf Guard, Lone Wolf).
I am actually reconsidering what legion I may make for my 30K army. I almost want to make SW. It is really between Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, and Salamanders.
Where are you getting this? There will almost assuredly be a ML or HB on the sprue.
There are none in the pictures. I was hoping for some confirmation of which heavy weapons are on the sprue. Since we already have Mk4 ML and HB I was hoping they'd switch it up. Autocannons would be great, but that might be a long shot given that 40kSM can't take them.
I wouldn't take that to mean anything. Grey Hunters can't take heavy weapons, so depicting them with HW wouldn't make sense. If there will be a heavy weapon in there, it will need to be 40K compatible.
You know what, let's burn this Prospero good and proper. Same price as Silver Tower and no chaff models like the Scuttlings? I'm no Heresy fan, but I've been entertaining he idea of a warband of the dark grey SW being all gritty and wyrd and contrast them with a band of baby blue modern day SW with the ridiculous orange hair, static poses and red weapon handles (and horns!) of GW's red phase.
SickSix wrote: Holy crap! All those special snowflakes and we still get 30 MKIII! WOW
Must buy!
That was my thought as well. With the SoS and Custodians, I was only expecting 20 basic guys. Made it a bit more of an iffy buy for me. Getting a better feel for this now.
I seriously hope the Custodes come with a better sprue.. No one seems concerned they only show 2 guardian spears, IE the entire reason we even recognize them AS Custodes? Personally I have no interest in random marines with swords as there are tons of those already.
H.B.M.C. wrote:£95. That's a really good price. Wait a sec...
AUD$265? Two hundred and sixty five dollerydoos?
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
To hell with you...
Does this mean you will not get it?
How much was Betrayal at Calth was for you guys?
Stormwall wrote:Thanks gents for the swift reply. I'll probably wait for the MK3 to be sold separate anyways like when GW did that with the Calth mk4.
Then again, I may not as there appear to be 30 marines per box set.
H.B.M.C. wrote:£95. That's a really good price. Wait a sec...
AUD$265? Two hundred and sixty five dollerydoos?
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
To hell with you...
Does this mean you will not get it?
How much was Betrayal at Calth was for you guys?
Stormwall wrote:Thanks gents for the swift reply. I'll probably wait for the MK3 to be sold separate anyways like when GW did that with the Calth mk4.
Then again, I may not as there appear to be 30 marines per box set.
So pay more for less? Makes no sense to me.
UK prices only but the MKIV boxes are £30 each. Assume a Mk III box would go for the same.
£95 gets you 30 Marines so everything else, effectively, only costs you £5.00. Stormwall can then trade the extra £5.00 worth of miniatures for more Mk III Marines.
So full of win! Gonna have to get this box. Use it to plus up my deathwatch styled codex marines and my actual Deathwatch. SOS and eagle bling pimps being icing on this box
Sweet mary mother of god. 30 suits of armor for my Iron Warriors....So good.
Though to be honest at this point I don't know how many more marines my IW's can have.
I'm in for one box at least. I might then finally paint up my Calth and this boxset and split it just as two legions I can play both board games with. Especially since the cataphractii will look great w/mkiii and vice versa
You know, I would have a much easier time deciding what Legion I want to make if FW would go ahead and get the Space Wolves Legion rules out. Otherwise I think I will go with Imperial Fists. Get one Burning of Prospero and one Betrayal at Calth. Would give me what I need for a basic Legion army. I would need to get some upgrades to make Breachers and Phalanx Warders.
Now is a very good time to be a new or returning fan. Only just picked up the bac set. Will be getting this one for sure, plenty of space wolf building going on over the winter.
stompygitz wrote: So now my question is how many people are going to buy a bunch of SoS to make a sisters army?
Depends on several things:
The look and pricing of the new Sisters of Battle plastics
If the Sisters of Silence are also becoming a "current" 40k faction - they are def around post Heresy as shown in the Beast novel series.
Do the SOS get expanded on and/or released separately.
Sisters of Battle main dex with a SoS mini dex that runs along side it ala scions? This would amuse me and at the same time fix how they could be shoehorned into the current time line.
All they have to do is have SoS be a super secret unit within SoB, that finally start getting used more overtly in the current crises as the Imperium falls apart, etc, etc, etc.
History could go like: SoS found still existing in M32, get picked up by the Inquisition because they're useful. After Vandire, they get folded into the SoB, OR they're still affiliated with the =I=, and part of their job is to keep an eye on the SoB as well.
All kinds of ways to have them still around but only showing up now.
That Ahriman model is amazing. I'm guessing that's the new "official" one, or do you think they'll do a new 40k version? Wouldn't make sense for him to have both, though.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Hmmm, I wonder if I will be able to sell the Custodes and Sisters of Silence off easily. Get something more useful for the Legion.
If you're willing to ship to the UK, i'll reserve the sisters from you
Where are you getting this? There will almost assuredly be a ML or HB on the sprue.
There are none in the pictures. I was hoping for some confirmation of which heavy weapons are on the sprue. Since we already have Mk4 ML and HB I was hoping they'd switch it up. Autocannons would be great, but that might be a long shot given that 40kSM can't take them.
Up until now, there were no flavors of 40k terminators that could take Volkite chargers. Heck, no volkite weapons in any 40kSM army. Yet there one is, on the Tartaros Sergeant.
big_d wrote: I don't think there are going to be 30 Legion Veterans in the box. I think that is a typo.
If you look at the picture of all the models it only shows 10.
Also, if you add up the approx. value of all the models @ retail you come out to right around $240 USD.
If you add a 60% "Added Value" to $150 USD comes out to right around $240 USD.
The pic of the box contents shoes 47 models - what are they if not mk iii? It'll be 30 as per calth. Even the visuals back it. You're bonkers if you think otherwise
So far we've had someone dispute the contents and someone else saying that the models are not legion free and that's with the writing at the side clearly saying otherwise.
Now we've got someone saying the sisters and custodes are single pose - where have you heard that from?
Keep your speculation to yourself unless you have any information.
I may have to buy this, with the 30 marines and such it comes out to about $3 per mini, pretty sweet. Of course, I'm already sitting on two companies of marines, so I can't imagine what I'm going to do with those minis. As much as I know the rules will be borked, I want this for the board game as well.
I really want to pick this up as I totally would love to make a pre-heresy era Thousand Sons. However, I have no clue what I would use them for. I don't see any groups playing 30k around here. CSM are garbage atm and it would be weird to use 30k Tsons as regular Space Marines. I just love them so dang much though!
Less "marks" and more "patterns. Cataphractii, Tartaros, and Indomitus are the standard patterns, with specialized, legion/chapter specific suits being less widespread, such as Aegis, Gorgon, etc.
ugh jesus I can't even... GW needs to slow down and stop releasing this wishlist of models every damn month, I must have but can't build or paint perhaps ever... even knowing that, will buy. It's not right!
The Sisters are the clear winner there for me, the rest is good but they look stunning! I won't be getting the full set for a while, but a sprue or two of SoS might be ebaying their way to me in the near future (especially if they do end up being full multipose kits).
Not sure whether to ebay the marines as I could finally do a little cabinet 30k army but I prefer the armour from BaC but I do love the Tartar sauce Termies.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K. They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Requizen wrote: Are these the first plastic female models in the 40k line that aren't Eldar? I honestly can't think of any others.
They will be the first plastic female humans ever created by GW. The only other plastic female human is the driver for the Immolator but that's just half a body.
Like I've said many times before, the first ever plastic female humans on the market were the zombie vixens released some years ago, this is both sad and rather pathetic at the same time. Raging Heroes proved me right that there is a huge market for sci fi female models, as GW are ALWAYS late to the party they are now releasing plastic human females.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Hmmm, I wonder if I will be able to sell the Custodes and Sisters of Silence off easily. Get something more useful for the Legion.
Id be willing to take the Custodes off your hands.
This box makes me excited. I've got 2 BaCs I havent built yet (Second guessing my choice of the Raven Guard) not I'll probably add two of these and be good on Infantry for a while.
Doesn't the set seem to have the situation in the Loyalists' favor. I mean yes Ahriman has 5 Terminators, but he's facing the Fell-Handed (tho not Bjorn), a full squad of Wolves, some Sisters of Silence (don't know their capabilities however) and 5 Custodes, who are supposed to be Astartes what Astartes are to humans.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, because that epic Pre-Dust Ahriman and never-made-before Custodians are just run-of-the-mill ...
Loved the voice. Loved the presentation. Hate myself for how much I want to throw money at the screen for this box.
Re: the fantasy look of the models...Yup, my first thoughts on seeing those models is that we now know who the sigmarines try to hang out with on Saturday nights off.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
My lore on SoS is minimal, but what's up with those lightning bolts? They look out of place. I don't recall seeing that iconography anywhere in 40k before?
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
My lore on SoS is minimal, but what's up with those lightning bolts? They look out of place. I don't recall seeing that iconography anywhere in 40k before?
Arch-Fiend wrote: Doesn't the set seem to have the situation in the Loyalists' favor. I mean yes Ahriman has 5 Terminators, but he's facing the Fell-Handed (tho not Bjorn), a full squad of Wolves, some Sisters of Silence (don't know their capabilities however) and 5 Custodes, who are supposed to be Astartes what Astartes are to humans.
I suppose it all depends on the scenarios that form the game. The Thousand Sons may have advantages to counter lack of numbers.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
My lore on SoS is minimal, but what's up with those lightning bolts? They look out of place. I don't recall seeing that iconography anywhere in 40k before?
Mk I armor (Thunder Warriors) says "Hi"
Spoiler:
And here I was, always thinking those were random lol.
Words cannot convey how pumped I am for this! It has been almost 5 years on the dot when I started my Heresy Thousand Sons force and I never imagined the day when a set like this would be designed that fit so perfectly with my army.
Loving all the subtle differences in the SM armour on both the termies and the MKIII as well as the interesting patterns painted on the Sons models, gonna have to try that out soon.
SoS and the Custodes look a little cartoony but I think a more rugged paintjob should fix that up no problem.
Might even pick up the WD seeing as it has a good deal on TW Warhammer included plus pretty pictures of my beloved legion!
I've been wanting to do some 40k "Old Timey" rusted looking Iron-Hands for a while now, and this set is going to make an excellent base for that with those Mk3 grill-face marines.
Preordered for sure, and in the Age of Roundtree, the once deservedly reviled GW, just keeps on winning. :-)
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
My lore on SoS is minimal, but what's up with those lightning bolts? They look out of place. I don't recall seeing that iconography anywhere in 40k before?
Mk I armor (Thunder Warriors) says "Hi"
Spoiler:
And here I was, always thinking those were random lol.
"The thunder-bolt and lighting emblem on the breastplate of this suite was the personal badge of the Emperor in thoe days, predating the Imperial eagle which only became the symbol of the Imperium much later. This emblem gives the suit its other common name - Thunder Armour." ~ White Dwarf 129/Rogue Trader Compilation
Hence also Thunder Warriors - the Emperor's first genetically altered troops.
Threw this together to point out how the custodes feel to me. It's like they have been squashed. Then again I guess the artwork is normal and the models are heroics which would explain why they look inspired by the artwork rather than true translations of the artwork.
Spoiler:
"The thunder-bolt and lighting emblem on the breastplate of this suite was the personal badge of the Emperor in thoe days, predating the Imperial eagle which only became the symbol of the Imperium much later. This emblem gives the suit its other common name - Thunder Armour." ~ White Dwarf 129/Rogue Trader Compilation
Hence also Thunder Warriors - the Emperor's first genetically altered troops.
They look ALLOT like sigmarines to me, so could the rumour about GW merging 40K and Age of Sigmar into a single game be true?
You could just use sigmarines as custodes and it'd look the same.
I'm assuming pre-orders will be this weekend and it will be released the weekend of the 22nd. I liked all I saw. The custodes are awesome! Mark 3 plastics and tartarus terminator armor - amazing.
Anyone who wants bits to mix with 40k, a badab army, or a preheresy army will love this box. Mix this set with the BAC box and you're preheresy army will have 5 troop squads, 2 terminator squads, some hq characters, a dreadnought, and allied SOS/custodes. All you need is a vehicle or two and you have a large heresy army for $240 (if bought on ebay at discount). Hell of a deal for almost 100 GW minis.
Really excited for this.
Now my only problem is finally deciding upon a legion... I wanted to play alpha legion since book 1, but everyone plays them now. Maybe sons of horus or ravenguard? If not my carcharodons could use some older armor types >)
They look ALLOT like sigmarines to me, so could the rumour about GW merging 40K and Age of Sigmar into a single game be true?
You could just use sigmarines as custodes and it'd look the same.
Other than being big guys in full body gold armor, no, they really don't.
455_PWR wrote: I'm assuming pre-orders will be this weekend and it will be released the weekend of the 22nd. I liked all I saw. The custodes are awesome! Mark 3 plastics and tartarus terminator armor - amazing.
Anyone who wants bits to mix with 40k, a badab army, or a preheresy army will love this box. Mix this set with the BAC box and you're preheresy army will have 5 troop squads, 2 terminator squads, some hq characters, a dreadnought, and allied SOS/custodes. All you need is a vehicle or two and you have a large heresy army for $240 (if bought on ebay at discount). Hell of a deal for almost 100 GW minis.
Really excited for this.
Now my only problem is finally deciding upon a legion... I wanted to play alpha legion since book 1, but everyone plays them now. Maybe sons of horus or ravenguard? If not my carcharodons could use some older armor types >)
I think you mean 6 troop squads. Or, up to six, really, since you could make three full sized tactical blobs just as easily.
Now my only problem is finally deciding upon a legion... I wanted to play alpha legion since book 1, but everyone plays them now. Maybe sons of horus or ravenguard? If not my carcharodons could use some older armor types >)
455_PWR wrote: I'm assuming pre-orders will be this weekend and it will be released the weekend of the 22nd. I liked all I saw. The custodes are awesome! Mark 3 plastics and tartarus terminator armor - amazing.
Anyone who wants bits to mix with 40k, a badab army, or a preheresy army will love this box. Mix this set with the BAC box and you're preheresy army will have 5 troop squads, 2 terminator squads, some hq characters, a dreadnought, and allied SOS/custodes. All you need is a vehicle or two and you have a large heresy army for $240 (if bought on ebay at discount). Hell of a deal for almost 100 GW minis.
Really excited for this.
Now my only problem is finally deciding upon a legion... I wanted to play alpha legion since book 1, but everyone plays them now. Maybe sons of horus or ravenguard? If not my carcharodons could use some older armor types >)
I've had confirmed pre order is 22nd. Tomorro is AoS figure
Threw this together to point out how the custodes feel to me. It's like they have been squashed. Then again I guess the artwork is normal and the models are heroics which would explain why they look inspired by the artwork rather than true translations of the artwork.
[spoiler]
"The thunder-bolt and lighting emblem on the breastplate of this suite was the personal badge of the Emperor in thoe days, predating the Imperial eagle which only became the symbol of the Imperium much later. This emblem gives the suit its other common name - Thunder Armour." ~ White Dwarf 129/Rogue Trader Compilation
Hence also Thunder Warriors - the Emperor's first genetically altered troops.
They look ALLOT like sigmarines to me, so could the rumour about GW merging 40K and Age of Sigmar into a single game be true?
You could just use sigmarines as custodes and it'd look the same.[/spoiler]
That's the exact same impression I got when I saw the vid. It's not quite as pronounced on Atias pic, but they still look kind of weirdly proportioned to me.
I saw it from Lil-Legend, they gave credit to you, I gave credit to both. You were named no need to squabble about it, Lil-legend gave you full credit, but he shared it, like I shared it... that's what happend on the internet...
I saw it from Lil-Legend, they gave credit to you, I gave credit to both. You were named no need to squabble about it, Lil-legend gave you full credit, but he shared it, like I shared it... that's what happend on the internet...
I expected the custodes to be bigger. In fluff they are supposed to be to an Astartes what and Astartes is to a human. It is the basic guardsman that is out of scale being roughly the same size as the Astartes. I actually like the fact they sculpted the Custodes larger than the average Astartes.
Custodes should be the same size as Astartes, and both should appear huge in comparison to regular humans. But of course, heroic Custodes, just like heroic Astartes (like Primarchs) should be huger
When you read the books, it sounds like these guys are so big, fast, smart, and well, invincible, that they should be able to single-handedly take on an entire army with a buttering knife.
The usual ambiguous GW scaling and size issues. Reading the books, I always got the impression that the Custodes were really big, by Astartes standards, yet there are pictures of them holding bolters that appear just like a bolter in an Astartes' hand looks, which would imply similar sizes. Then there's the image of SoS, Custodes, and the Emperor all together, where the Sisters are only a little bit shorter than the Custodes, who are only a little shorter than the Emperor.
MajorTom11 wrote: Um that is exactly the size difference, they are as much bigger to an astartes as an astartes is to a reg...
So... just how big are Sisters of Silence? I mean, they should be a half-head shorter than a helmeted Cadian, right? Cadians being 6'4" to the top of their helmets, and unhelmeted human women topping out around 5'8" or so. Though, really Cadians should have keep the 2E scale for being no taller than 5'10" helmeted. The lack of any ordinary humans of ordinary human height is really bothersome.
I wonder how the guns on the Guardian spears are supposed to work when you're hacking and stabbing people. Lotsa stuff will get stuck in those barrels! I assume the power field zaps all the gore away?
Cool preview vid, hope there's one from the Wolves pov as well. I'll be getting a couple of boxes for sure. Depending on the FW lists my 30/40k Ultras may be getting some Space wolf or 1K sons buddy's as well as mk3 reinforcements.
A lot of people are saying that the SoS should be folded into the SoB for 40k, gotta say that wouldn't feel like a good fit to me. I know a lot can(and should) change in ten thousand years, but I just cant see the SoS going along with the overtly religious worship of the big E. My personal preference would be for a "Agents of the Imperium" book that covers the SoS, Custodes, Assassins, Inquisitors and other specialists(Rogue Traders?).
Custodes and sisters look like their artwork. If you ain't buying because they "look like stormcasts" you're a numpty and 30k is better off with you not buying.
I don't understand the negativity for the models we're seeing here
Custodes and sisters look like their artwork. If you ain't buying because they "look like stormcasts" you're a numpty and 30k is better off with you not buying.
I don't understand the negativity for the models we're seeing here
Have an exalt.
Custodes were around long before Stormcast Eternals ever became a thing. As for SoS, I don't think we've ever seen any models for them til now.
Also mildly off-topic but not all Stormcasts are gold you know. The Hammers of Sigmar were the first of Sigmar's Stormcast Eternals. Hence the gold.
MajorTom11 wrote: Um that is exactly the size difference, they are as much bigger to an astartes as an astartes is to a reg...
So... just how big are Sisters of Silence? I mean, they should be a half-head shorter than a helmeted Cadian, right? Cadians being 6'4" to the top of their helmets, and unhelmeted human women topping out around 5'8" or so. Though, really Cadians should have keep the 2E scale for being no taller than 5'10" helmeted. The lack of any ordinary humans of ordinary human height is really bothersome.
Bro, you are going to hurt yourself if you want to get consistent scale out of GW. Humans are too big (usually) or space marines are too small (usualyl). BUT, the custodes are bigger than terminators, so, to your original point, I was saying they are much bigger than space marines as you indicated they should be.
The scale in the overkill box and with the dw mk8 kill team was quite good though, so they are baby stepping in the right direction to get a better scale accuracy I feel, but it probably will take decades to creep it completely out of the back catalogue of mismatched scales that exist.
Custodes and sisters look like their artwork. If you ain't buying because they "look like stormcasts" you're a numpty and 30k is better off with you not buying.
I don't understand the negativity for the models we're seeing here
Have an exalt.
Custodes were around long before Stormcast Eternals ever became a thing. As for SoS, I don't think we've ever seen any models for them til now.
Also mildly off-topic but not all Stormcasts are gold you know. The Hammers of Sigmar were the first of Sigmar's Stormcast Eternals. Hence the gold.
Hulksmash wrote:Sweet mary mother of god. 30 suits of armor for my Iron Warriors....So good.
Though to be honest at this point I don't know how many more marines my IW's can have.
I'm in for one box at least. I might then finally paint up my Calth and this boxset and split it just as two legions I can play both board games with. Especially since the cataphractii will look great w/mkiii and vice versa
I thought you were starting Nids or Stealer Cult. You are going to have a huge back order.
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I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Hulksmash wrote:Sweet mary mother of god. 30 suits of armor for my Iron Warriors....So good.
Though to be honest at this point I don't know how many more marines my IW's can have.
I'm in for one box at least. I might then finally paint up my Calth and this boxset and split it just as two legions I can play both board games with. Especially since the cataphractii will look great w/mkiii and vice versa
I thought you were starting Nids or Stealer Cult. You are going to have a huge back order.
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I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
No body has - why should they? I'm of the opinion boob plate is bad as well, but let's not crucify GW for this. They don't deserve it.
Hulksmash wrote:Sweet mary mother of god. 30 suits of armor for my Iron Warriors....So good.
Though to be honest at this point I don't know how many more marines my IW's can have.
I'm in for one box at least. I might then finally paint up my Calth and this boxset and split it just as two legions I can play both board games with. Especially since the cataphractii will look great w/mkiii and vice versa
I thought you were starting Nids or Stealer Cult. You are going to have a huge back order.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh look, BOOB ARMOUR. Yes they are females.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Well, the genestealer Cult is currently built (178 models) and will be painted before 11/19 for a gt so this and AoS will keep me busy over winter.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Crystal-Maze wrote: I play solely chaos in 30k, so I'm wondering what the custodes/sisters will go for on ebay..
They've tempted me to start a loyalist legion with my models (I haven't started yet, but I have lots to make). Though the fact you can play loyalist factions of the traitor legions still gives me pause to continue with my idea of Iron Warriors.
Crystal-Maze wrote: I play solely chaos in 30k, so I'm wondering what the custodes/sisters will go for on ebay..
Since they are new no other minis like this, I say about $15 Canadian each? So about what GW would charge if they sold separately, so about $75 for 5 of them.
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I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
You can just say anything is a female model if you want to be "realistic" in a heavily stylized game. Those guardmen are just ugly females, you can't see their boobs because of the armour they wear. Sure they could make Sisters of Silence without boob armour but then they'd just be generic male models. Don't like female models? Then use whatever male models you want and say they are your female models.
@Desubot Exactly that. A warrior cult of female mercenaries or something. Actually if they're on 40mms it could work, I could play them as Stormcast Paladins :-D
MajorTom11 wrote: Um that is exactly the size difference, they are as much bigger to an astartes as an astartes is to a reg...
So... just how big are Sisters of Silence? I mean, they should be a half-head shorter than a helmeted Cadian, right? Cadians being 6'4" to the top of their helmets, and unhelmeted human women topping out around 5'8" or so. Though, really Cadians should have keep the 2E scale for being no taller than 5'10" helmeted. The lack of any ordinary humans of ordinary human height is really bothersome.
Modern ordinary human height after millennia of eugenics programs?
Also I remember the Sisters of Silence being both not wholly human and exceptionally tall and large. At least enough that they are an actual threat to a Legionnaire.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
BrotherGecko wrote: After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
Where did you see the sprues?
Everything that's been hinted/dropped today has been that the only specifically Legion stuff is the two characters.
The odd thing about this release is that I have never really been a fan of Mark III power armour but these plastics look great All told only the SW character and Custodes are a bit "Meh" to me.
But those Tartaros...wow. A nice variety of weapons as well.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I like the look of the SoS, but I hope there are guns for them all and not just swords as I prefer to shred the opposition at distance
One has a flamer, it wouldn't surprise me if the others at the very least carried a sidearm of sorts.
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BrotherGecko wrote: After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
You mean, those two characters? The terminators and MK. III sets are all unmarked and can be done in any legion colours without cleaning up.
BrotherGecko wrote: After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
An entire two models then...
If you read the description, the terms and marines are generic. ..
MrDwhitey wrote: One of them at least appears to have a gun. Maybe 2 actually, when you look at the initial leaked catalogue image.
I don't know how it was in the 30k novels, but in "The Beast Arises", all SoS seem to be Sword users only. At least I don't recall any of them using any firearms, they are absolutely badass with their sword though.
... not gonna lie, I now wish they had some kind of "slashing" technique that'd send a cutting wave flying through the air Yeah, I guess rules-wise it would be better if they had the possibility of ranged attacks.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The odd thing about this release is that I have never really been a fan of Mark III power armour but these plastics look great All told only the SW character and Custodes are a bit "Meh" to me.
But those Tartaros...wow. A nice variety of weapons as well.
Agreed, part of the decision to go Emperor's Children was I like MkIV. Any of the Legions that favoured earlier Mks was a mark against.
But these, I'm mentally painting with my eyes.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
If you do not like it, do not buy it.
Put the heads on male bodies if you want.
They have breasts, sorry to have to be the one to educate you that women do.
They are not hanging out, and are quite tasteful they are very well done.
No body has - why should they? I'm of the opinion boob plate is bad as well, but let's not crucify GW for this. They don't deserve it.
Where do you get me crucifying GW? Just make some fun at them.
What exactly are you making fun of? The same design that every recognizable fantasy/sci-fi work has used for decades? You see how that doesn't make sense?
Everyone is eating apples. You come into the room, "Hey, Apples are the suck!"
It looks like an attack. If you meant it as a joke, clarify. The internet only conveys what you type.
The models look gorgeous (in an age where GW has been critiqued for a perceived lack of female models.) This is a good step forward, hopefully followed by many more.
The Custodes and Sisters of Silence are both full kits according to Atia, i.e. With weapons options and stuff. So you might be able to give all the Sisters guns.
Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.
At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).
another awesome Space Wolves plastic character to get my brushes on!!!
this box is full of so many beautiful minis...
the next few weeks are going to drag on, waiting to crack this set open :(
great to see that video today, with crisp shots of nice paint jobs
I'm buying this. And I got overkill this Tuesday, but I must have this. Custodes - good, Tartaros - best termie variant, imho. Characters are ok, I like the SW better, tbh. Mk3- awesome!im thinking about doing a small force of marines, my own chapter, that use different marks for different types of squads. So, not really caring about background, just what looks cool. MK 3 for tacticals, mk4 for veterans, Mk8 for heavy weapons, Beacky helmets for other veterans, ect.. And 0 ornaments, just militaristic plain design.
I like SoS, but that boob armour, man.. I'm glad they have it. Otherwise they would look like oversized eldar. It's a 28mm *HEROIC SCALE* game, how else will you be able to emphasize, that they are SISTERS, not brothers of silence?
How else would they look good? With a precise waist and finger proportions??
Seriously that topic is beaten to death, why are people still complaining? Nobody complains in Infinity threads, or kingdom death threads.
It smells of justice warriors deeds, and one sided as well, because only GW gets " that".
Well and other company, the one that did termie female armor with boobs out, but that looks bad and stupid, imho.
BrotherGecko wrote: After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
An entire two models then...
If you read the description, the terms and marines are generic. ..
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: I'm buying this. And I got overkill this Tuesday, but I must have this. Custodes - good, Tartaros - best termie variant, imho. Characters are ok, I like the SW better, tbh. Mk3- awesome!im thinking about doing a small force of marines, my own chapter, that use different marks for different types of squads. So, not really caring about background, just what looks cool. MK 3 for tacticals, mk4 for veterans, Mk8 for heavy weapons, Beacky helmets for other veterans, ect.. And 0 ornaments, just militaristic plain design.
I like SoS, but that boob armour, man.. I'm glad they have it. Otherwise they would look like oversized eldar. It's a 28mm *HEROIC SCALE* game, how else will you be able to emphasize, that they are SISTERS, not brothers of silence?
How else would they look good? With a precise waist and finger proportions??
Seriously that topic is beaten to death, why are people still complaining? Nobody complains in Infinity threads, or kingdom death threads.
It smells of justice warriors deeds, and one sided as well, because only GW gets " that".
Well and other company, the one that did termie female armor with boobs out, but that looks bad and stupid, imho.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
Ebay already has the bitz sellers taking pre-orders for indlvidual units. Just ordered 2 SoS squads for £20 a piece with free shipping. I can live with that.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Does anybody find odd the fact, that it will be a different game, judging by the tiles (solely so far)?
They could`ve expanded BaC somehow, methinks
I personally wasn't particularly impressed with the rules of the BaC set so I'm waiting to see how this one is, and if it's a completely different set. The dice look like they could have d8s and d10s (but that may just be lowres jpeg), so I'm definitely interested.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time?
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
Did people really not see this?!
Apparently, they did, but do not care. At all.
I suspect we'll see red text in very short order...
In the mean time, I like that the SoS have a new overall aesthetic that's distinctive from every other 40k female we've seen to date.
Also, what do the sisters of silence count as? Curious to as to their rules.
They count as Sisters of Silence.
It is a small formation.
The very earliest rumors (good ones) said that there would not be an army, just a small formation.
Something Inquisition like.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least). Even their sword doesnt seem to have anything that indicates that it is a scifi weapon. Honestly, if they were leaked without anybody knowing what they were, I'm sure most people would thought they were a new AOS faction.
Most say that the preview is really cool though. As for the size of the SOS, I think they are rather small, there is a shot of them with Arihman and they look much smaller and slender than him
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
I'll go with maybe people that this was directed ONLY at a specific user?
When it fact it really is for EVERYONE.
Feel free to take this tangent to its very own topic elsewhere - do NOT continue to harp on and on and on about it in this thread.
Thought the Sisters just had swords and since they might be a full kit, was browsing artwork for other loadouts and 2h axes would be sweet and I really love the helmet which kinda covers 3/4 of the face just leave half the upper face bare. Stupid as feth but look sweet af.
EnTyme wrote: Fluff-wise, the Sisters of Silence didn't wear helmets, just a mask that resembled a veil over the lower part of their faces if I'm not mistaken.
Most of the Sisters of Silence in Flight of the Eisenstein wore masks, but at least one unfortunate Sister wore a helmet.
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The Astartes bent and gathered up a shiny metallic object, roughly oval in shape. He turned it over in his hands. ‘It’s… sir, It’s a helm, I think.’ He held it up to show them, and Garro’s blood chilled at the sight of a Silent Sister’s wargear. Something shifted inside it and a severed head dropped from the helmet to the ground, trailing a plume of blonde hair.
I prefer the masked version myself. I hope there are aquila transfers in the Prospero box for the Sisters' heads.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least). Even their sword doesnt seem to have anything that indicates that it is a scifi weapon. Honestly, if they were leaked without anybody knowing what they were, I'm sure most people would thought they were a new AOS faction.
Most say that the preview is really cool though. As for the size of the SOS, I think they are rather small, there is a shot of them with Arihman and they look much smaller and slender than him
It's a good thing it's not a sci-fi series then. it's a science fantasy series that has pew pew lasers in it
Yeah, of course 40k is a lot more space fantasy than hard sci-fi, but usually, the models have a distinctly sci-fi look(bar a few like the DE Mandrake). As I said, these SOS would fit a lot more in AOS than in 40kimo, which is why I think they are bad models. It seems like i'm in the minority though
I wonder what uses I shall put the Sisters and Custodes to in my Alpha Legion/Dark Mechanicum alliance... guess I'll borg them up somehow and use them as dark mech minions... The space wolf special character will make a nice bit of basing material...
If I can chop enough icons off Ari, I'll use him as a librarian for my Alphas.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
I'll go with maybe people that this was directed ONLY at a specific user?
When it fact it really is for EVERYONE.
Feel free to take this tangent to its very own topic elsewhere - do NOT continue to harp on and on and on about it in this thread.
FINAL WARNING.
I think you'd need to add it as text to a milady meme.
On topic, other than the slightly off pose ( which could just be the photo angle) I think that's my new wolf lord, and the Ahriman mini is awesome. Now excuse me while I rush off to order some forge world bits.
I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.
Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.
How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.
Actually, how about no, don't do that.
Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.
I'll go with maybe people that this was directed ONLY at a specific user?
When it fact it really is for EVERYONE.
Feel free to take this tangent to its very own topic elsewhere - do NOT continue to harp on and on and on about it in this thread.
FINAL WARNING.
I think you'd need to add it as text to a milady meme.
On topic, other than the slightly off pose ( which could just be the photo angle) I think that's my new wolf lord, and the Ahriman mini is awesome. Now excuse me while I rush off to order some forge world bits.
And I've deliberately destroyed that quote as a warning to all other quotes, it certainly wasn't a mistake. Or whatever happened there.
Great stuff - especially Ahriman. The custodes and sisters don't really grab me, but they'll be a nice addition for modelers and I do like the filling in of the 40K universe.
SOS would be needed as close range support for the wolves. Whom have a get stuck in mentality. Swords make since as they have a limit to their null range. Not like greyknight psybolts, or null assassins training and gear. Guns would be cool but these ladies are based on Prospero war gear. with 40k rules tacked on.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: SOS would be needed as close range support for the wolves. Whom have a get stuck in mentality. Swords make since as they have a limit to their null range. Not like greyknight psybolts, or null assassins training and gear. Guns would be cool but these ladies are based on Prospero war gear. with 40k rules tacked on.
Yeah, maybe they came to Prospero kitted up for CCW, but I believe it's been reported that they have bolters on their sprues, plus these are awesome:
There's also all kinds of other nifty images out there, like SoS with three headed cyber-dogs, SoS showing a fondness for flamers, some with bolt pistols in one hand, so I presume they'd carry a smaller sword in the other...
It'll be interesting to see if and how they expand beyond the SoS in this box. For that matter, it'll be interesting to see what options they do give you in the box.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I like the look of the SoS, but I hope there are guns for them all and not just swords as I prefer to shred the opposition at distance
One has a flamer, it wouldn't surprise me if the others at the very least carried a sidearm of sorts.
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BrotherGecko wrote: After seeing the contents of the box set. I'm a little disappointed by all the legion specific stuff. I will have to pick up the Mk3 and Tartoros sprues once they hit the market on the internet.
You mean, those two characters? The terminators and MK. III sets are all unmarked and can be done in any legion colours without cleaning up.
I spoke too soon and thought the set only had 10 mk3 marines in it lol. Now that it has 30 its totally worth it.
I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.
Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.
Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.
Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least). Even their sword doesnt seem to have anything that indicates that it is a scifi weapon. Honestly, if they were leaked without anybody knowing what they were, I'm sure most people would thought they were a new AOS faction.
Most say that the preview is really cool though. As for the size of the SOS, I think they are rather small, there is a shot of them with Arihman and they look much smaller and slender than him
Warhammer has never been "sci fi" , it is Grim Dark Fantasy
Swords are very common, and in archaic institutions like the SoS and Inquisition
you couldn't be more wrong. 40K is a sci-fi game. It was made with the intent of being the sci-fi version of WHFB. It's Not a hard sci-fi game but it's a sci-fi game nontheless. At worst, you could describe it as a space fantasy or science fantasy
Grim dark fantasy was WHFB or WHFR.
As I said before, the SOS are much more fantasy looking than any 40k and 30k minis I've seen before (bar the mandrake). I don't think anybody will deny that. Whether you like it or not is entirely subjective. but I personally think they look out of place.
Anyway, I don't want to drag this tangent incessantly, so it's my last post on the subject
H.B.M.C. wrote:£95. That's a really good price. Wait a sec...
AUD$265? Two hundred and sixty five dollerydoos?
God Damn you GW. That's over AUD$100 more than what £95 is converted into AUD. "Shipping costs" and "fluctuating currency rates" do not account for an AUD$100 price hike per box, you thieves. You have literally priced this at 175% what the UK pays for it.
And it's worse for NZ, where the price is 193% the UK's price. What the fething feth GW?
To hell with you...
Does this mean you will not get it?
How much was Betrayal at Calth was for you guys?
Stormwall wrote:Thanks gents for the swift reply. I'll probably wait for the MK3 to be sold separate anyways like when GW did that with the Calth mk4.
Then again, I may not as there appear to be 30 marines per box set.
So pay more for less? Makes no sense to me.
UK prices only but the MKIV boxes are £30 each. Assume a Mk III box would go for the same.
£95 gets you 30 Marines so everything else, effectively, only costs you £5.00. Stormwall can then trade the extra £5.00 worth of miniatures for more Mk III Marines.
Win!
Uh no, it's a lot cheaper on ebay. Like half GW cost, if you look at a calth set of tactical sprue. I am presuming the Mk3 boxes/sprues will do the same. If we are discussing the sprue bits for sale on Ebay and not the actual box set that GW now sells. The box set is a good deal too but, I'm sure after a bit it will be much cheaper to buy it online than from a GW or FLGS styled store.
unmercifulconker wrote: Thought the Sisters just had swords and since they might be a full kit, was browsing artwork for other loadouts and 2h axes would be sweet and I really love the helmet which kinda covers 3/4 of the face just leave half the upper face bare. Stupid as feth but look sweet af.
There are a number of artoworks out there where they use guns, axes, swords, strange flamers etc. Found these around the web.
in, 
well, at least a usable one...
