So what is your hobby pet peeve?? What drives you insane or cause some form of OCD while playing games...

A few of mine are when someone paints their miniature beautifully then use large unpainted aquarium gravel to cover their base..

Also during a game when using my best painted stuff and your opponent wants move things for you when your standing right there.
Or just being crazy handsy with my stuff when we are almost complete strangers..

Nothing. It's a game. I get mildly irritated at a number of things, and then I remember that red wuns go fasta and my sense of proportion is generally restored.

Barrels that have been drilled slightly off center. Those drive me insane. Also, when I find surprise mold lines when I paint.

That little corner of plastic that just refuses to have paint or primer stick to it drives me insane.

Thick mold injection stubs of a metal miniature on concave areas. I always have trouble jamming my knife or file in there.

Seeing people just dump minis into a box. Even unpainted, things are going to break and snap. But painted. <cringe>

Have a little respect for your army!

My biggest annoyance is people who mishandle and break their figures. And by "people" i mean "me".

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Barrels that have been drilled slightly off center. Those drive me insane. Also, when I find surprise mold lines when I paint.

You'd hate to play a game with me then. I have trouble getting the gun barrel holes in the center. Some of mine are pretty bad, too.

One of my pet peeves is when a model kit has way too many mold lines. The Kroot Carnivores and Bloodletters of Khorne kits are two egregious examples of this.

Another of my (small) peeves is when players paint their stuff wrong, fluffwise. Like making their Ravenwing bikes green when they are supposed to be black. Doesn't bother me much, as at least they painted their stuff (that's a "hint hint" at me ), but I still shake my head on the inside.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Barrels that have been drilled slightly off center. Those drive me insane. Also, when I find surprise mold lines when I paint.

You'd hate to play a game with me then. I have trouble getting the gun barrel holes in the center. Some of mine are pretty bad, too.

Look closely at the ones in the 'how to paint' guides, and even a number of them are off center. Even pros have a hard time with it.


For me? Clear plastic flight stands. They look horrible. Always.

Oh, I got a couple...

Hundreds of dollars worth of models piled and jumbled into a shoe box for transportation and storage.
Beautifully sculpted models painted with cheap, crappy, craft store paint using cheap, crappy, craft store brushes.
Parents who come into the GW with toddlers in tow who are soon off the chain and grabbing miniatures off the gaming/demo tables while mom/dad chat with staff.
Hobbyists who think hygiene is what you say to a guy named Gene.
Gamers who can't put together a sentence without profanity and, by their volume, are more than happy to share their mastery of the language with the shop. -I'm not a prude, by any measure, but a dad that's been bringing his son into GW since he was 10, it's a game store, not a bar or your basement.
People that play with units that proxy empty bases for models.
Gamers that bring in food and/or drink and have it sitting on the table while playing.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Barrels that have been drilled slightly off center. Those drive me insane. Also, when I find surprise mold lines when I paint.

You'd hate to play a game with me then. I have trouble getting the gun barrel holes in the center. Some of mine are pretty bad, too.
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It's not about other people's barrels being off. It's about -my- barrels being off that drives me nuts. Drilling barrels is tedious and easy to screw up. I understand if people can't get it right. But it still drives me nuts if I see it on my own models.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Gamers that bring in food and/or drink and have it sitting on the table while playing.

Heh, my FLGS serves hot food and hot and cold drinks, and don't have 'dining' tables in order to get more gaming tables in. They provide coasters for the drinks, but it's not uncommon to see vacant tables or empty demployment zones mid game with a plate with a burger and chips and bottles of water/soft drink/flavoured milk or mugs of coffee on the tables.

My personal pet peeve is just handling my stuff without asking me first. I don't mind, but if I'm mid game and someone wants to see something, I'd like to keep track of where it was so I can put it back. Also, due to the aforementioned hot food being served, I'd appreciate it if fingers weren't covered in oil and sauce.

I have a friend who despite being a genius; has ZERO common sense.
My hobby bench is an organised mess [despite it looking like a Bigmek's tool shed, I know where everything is]. He picks up unassembled and unfinished stuff and complains about the lack of accuracy. I make A LOT of custom action figures and he finds fault with them ALL THE TIME for not 'looking' like the real thing? You know how hard it is to turn Scarlet witch into Deynaris Tygarian? Its pretty hard when Scarlet witch looks nothing like Emma Clark in the first place.

He also finds fault with ALL my miniatures. Granted, my stuff isn't quite Golden Demon quality but he whinges, moans, criticises and finds fault with EVERYTHING on the table. And he paints his models by dunking them in thin Humbrol paint

Dont really have one for during gaming as I dont game in stores but I do have a pet peeve of when Magic players give me fowl looks for encroaching on their hangout space when trying to buy anything in a LGS. I know Magic sales likely make up most of the stores profits but all the product around 3 walls of the store isnt there just for decoration.

I also have one with hobby blades. I know I should change the blade when its getting dull but OCD kicks in and I go to finish that one last cut . Then peeved at myself for slicing open a finger. Everytime.

I play mtg and I find people constantly and noisily shuffling their cards very annoying, especially in my damn turn. They're not even looking at them, just aggressively flicking through them instead of doing something useful, because they've seen some 'pros' do the same. Maybe they think it's intimidating or perhaps they have ADHD, but they look ridiculous.

I understand the idea of shuffling your hand so your opponent can't see which cards you've been holding onto for a long time. But shuffling repeatedly is not needed, it achieves nothing beyond being irritating. I shuffle my hand at the end of my turn and put it on the table, I pick it up if I need to interrupt and play something.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Another of my (small) peeves is when players paint their stuff wrong, fluffwise. Like making their Ravenwing bikes green when they are supposed to be black. Doesn't bother me much, as at least they painted their stuff (that's a "hint hint" at me ), but I still shake my head on the inside.

It's a good thing it's a small peeve because otherwise i'm sure i would drive you crazy. i struggle to bring myself to not break the fluff rules.

Back seat gamers, or people who start telling me stories or showing me photos of paint jobs when I'm having a game with someone else, and haven't shown any interest. Even worse when they are strangers. Space wolf players who think they are space wolves. Space wolf players who refer to themselves as "vikings" "Danish longaxemen" or "the Emperor's executioners". Players who make sound effects in the game. Players who don't bring lists and always have the upgrades that benefit them as and when situations arise. People who bring food then want to use my dice, cards, and handle my models. Anyone who has a chip on their shoulder and gets either passive aggressive or rude in a game. Players who treat you like you don't have a clue when you need to double check a rule or don't remember one accurately. People who get mad at the events of the game. I remember one guy throwing a unit across the table because it fled off the board and he had tried and failed to get away with mismeasuring the distance.

Luckily I don't have to deal with any of that really as I only normally play against people who I know and enjoy playing against.

I'm not sure how many pet peeves I have, but there are loads of aesthetic choices I dislike immensely. I don't suppose that's a peeve though. I don't think someone is doing something wrong - I just think it looks a bit crap.

My biggest pet peeve is probably just the "dude it's just a game!" kind of excuse for all manner of hobby laziness.

Pet peeve?
When a GW fan tells you any new model not designed by GW is "so 90's". Even though they were probably only born in the 90's.

People that start giving either side advice when it isn't their game.

Comment on the painting, but then STFU. I am playing against Bob, not the whole fething game store...

People who constantly gripe about pet peeves...Okay, that's a joke. I am the king of griping about such things!
My real biggest pet peeve hobby wise is getting criticism from people who don't try. I know I am no golden demon winner, but hey, if you don't paint or convert, or even play, don't tell me how I should have done something. I support everyone who is making a go no matter the skill or ideas. I have no respect for those who like to critique but are too scared to try it themselves (hey if you love the hobby but money, location whatever keeps you out, I understand, and you are excluded). Try is the key word here, as success is the most relative word in the language.

My dice roles, my save roles are higher than normal, on the other hand my hit roles are lower than normal, which makes for some hilarious games

Its been said already, but I'm going to have to second the finding surprise mold lines in the middle of painting. Just the worst.

Neckbeards [is that the term I'm looking for?]
Being accused of being a 'nerd' from a guy wearing a star trek shirt and holding an antiquated monster Manuel.
Even I've kissed more girls then he ever will. HA, I've done other things with girls too

Superglue that won't stick to resin, plastic or metal--but will instantly bond human flesh.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Barrels that have been drilled slightly off center. Those drive me insane. Also, when I find surprise mold lines when I paint.

You'd hate to play a game with me then. I have trouble getting the gun barrel holes in the center. Some of mine are pretty bad, too.

One of my pet peeves is when a model kit has way too many mold lines. The Kroot Carnivores and Bloodletters of Khorne kits are two egregious examples of this.

Another of my (small) peeves is when players paint their stuff wrong, fluffwise. Like making their Ravenwing bikes green when they are supposed to be black. Doesn't bother me much, as at least they painted their stuff (that's a "hint hint" at me ), but I still shake my head on the inside.

I do that, but I just say my Dark Angels are a successor Chapter to explain the differences in color schemes.


Mine is keeping track of multiple counts-as in a single game "OK, these Kroot are Blood Angels Scouts, the Shaper is the missile launcher, these Ogryn are Terminators and that Lunar-Class Cruiser is an Eversor..."

I try not to get too salty towards other folks' paintjobs/modelling (especially since I get that enough in my dayjob as an artist) but it always makes me clench my teeth a bit when i see even a halfway decent paintjob and the base is just left untouched.
See also! I really hate those clear acrylic bases (including flight stands for most things in 25-35mm scales.)
As to my own horrors, a big one is when i'm almost finished painting something only to find a massive gap or mold line that i completely missed.

On the one time I actually painted at my FLGS instead of in the safety of my house, i developed an instant pet peeve.

To the person that saw me layer painting my white one way and decided to come up and explain to me how I should do it a different way, mind your own business. I did not ask for help and have tried probably a dozen different ways of painting white before settling on the one that I do now.

In short: the people who think they know everything about the hobby and wontonly share their advice with everyone that does NOT ask.

Otherwise, I will second the people that touch models without asking. I spent days painting that pretty model you are fondling, and I will break your damn knees if you break/scuff/chip my model.

Also, metal models that like to jump off the table and how their arms like to pop off. Just... *sigh*...

 brushcommando wrote:
Its been said already, but I'm going to have to second the finding surprise mold lines in the middle of painting. Just the worst.

Here's how I deal with it:

I remove every single mold line from every single piece before even considering assembling the model.
That generally does the trick.

I think that's my OCD too... I can't stand any kind of mold line or even assembly line.
Ever since I've started working with Resin, I can't help but try and make every model flawless.

 Elemental wrote:
Superglue that won't stick to resin, plastic or metal--but will instantly bond human flesh.

Most of that comes down to oils ... and "oils ain't oils" when it comes to ACC adhesives.

It just so happens that some of the oils in human sweat will actively accelerate the curing of superglues (and no, they weren't specifically designed to stick skin - that's a later development and a different formula with a different molecule.)

 Nevelon wrote:
Seeing people just dump minis into a box. Even unpainted, things are going to break and snap. But painted. <cringe>

Have a little respect for your army!

One of the local players purchased a Bueatifully painted army from another of the locals who was know as one of the best painters locally. The guy then stored and transported the models in ziplock bags.

Going to a LGS or Warhammer store with your army. People telling you it's nice. Coming back next time to see the person who said it was nice, copied said army and accused you of being unoriginal and copying his army.

Seriously, some people need to take a swim in a pool of acid.

My ocd is removing mold lines. It is proabaly fair to say I spend far too long on this stage.
My peeve is experienced gamers hammering noobs and then acting superior or bragging about it. Particularly in non tourney environments, when using cheese lists which have been copy and pasted from t'internet

- Playing against unpainted armies
- Playing Warmachine with construction paper as terrain
- Having that one friend that complains about OP Armies/Powergaming armies - when they are guilty of this and run one themselves
- Opponent high/drinking while playing is great - until you're 2-3 hours deep in the game



For me? Gluing magnets wrong on a model is the only thing I ever loudly raged out about. That and building large metal models

Oh, I've had trouble with fething up magnet polarity. My Barracuda will never be able to equip its missile racks because of that.

Tale of the stupid genius #1

The common-sensless genius picks up a partially assembled FB giant which is sitting on the desk, inbetween two base coated Leman Russ's
"Thats not Imperial guard" he says with a snort
"Thats a giant; it's going with the Orcs" i reply
"What was it doing here?" he asks
"The glue was drying" i say with a sigh

The common sensless genius then picks up Khorne Beserker
"Why is this Chaos marine red; i thought they were black?" he says in the same tone reserved for 'Picard vs Kirk' arguments
"Its a Khorne beserer; they're usually red" i say
" 'Corn..beserkers'...are they new?' he asks
"No; they've been around for years" i say
"I've never heard of them" he shrugs

The common senseless genius then picks up jungle fighter which is decked out in a desert colour scheme
"Why is this guy tan?" he asks
"He's going to be in a desert themed army; you dont have to always paint the models like the picture on the box"
i answer

"You dont?" he says in shock

Mostly my pet peeve is Gamers vs. Fluffsters arguments and which is the superior way to play the game.

 brushcommando wrote:
Its been said already, but I'm going to have to second the finding surprise mold lines in the middle of painting. Just the worst.

Oh god this is the worst, I can deal with almost anything else but after meticulously cleaning every mold line off models into the late hours (probably why I missed it) then going out to prime and finding the mold line while painting.. I've just had to stop what I'm doing and walk away for a few hours. Next day it's being angrily stripped, I just glare at the container of stripper. I take alot of pride in my minis and doing my best to make them look good, this just kills me

Removing mold lines by far. God I loathe every moment of that tedium.

People who smash they're unpainted/glopped models into yours when entering melee. You might not give a gak about your stuff but don't damage mine.

People who dog someone's paint job on their models and then proceed to set up an unpainted army. I've had idiots comment loudly about how terrible a model looks with its (obvious) owner standing right next to them. Everybody is at their own level of painting ability and even Golden Demon winners have somebody better at it than them.

I've been a painter as a career and won my share of competitions and always try and find something positive to say about a model. Even the guy who had the bases glued on upside down and had scraps of his skin superglued all over the models.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
scraps of his skin superglued all over the models.

And I thought that I couldn't read anything more horrible today. I was wrong.

Yep. Even better when you don't realize what it is until it's been in your hands for a while.

People with more money then care. Like every month they have a new army because it's more 'powerful' in the meta. And they'll buy the biggest and most expensive stuff and be like "What you don't have a Warhound Titan? You must not want to win." -Not an exact example, but you get the idea.

And then tying into that. The 'unsolicited advice guy' where people are gaming with sub-competitive units or non-optimal armies and they hover around and go "Defilers...you don't want to run those for Chaos it's Maulerfiends and Heldrakes or nothing." -again change units to suit your armies you get the idea.

Finally people doing Mathhammer DURING the game. I get it, you like knowing the odds...just please god we have little over an hour, chop chop son.

 Nevelon wrote:
Seeing people just dump minis into a box. Even unpainted, things are going to break and snap. But painted. <cringe>

Have a little respect for your army!

This^^^

Unless it's my orks (lol)

 Skymate wrote:
Neckbeards [is that the term I'm looking for?]
Being accused of being a 'nerd' from a guy wearing a star trek shirt and holding an antiquated monster Manuel.
Even I've kissed more girls then he ever will. HA, I've done other things with girls too

Yeah, well he has a giant old Spanish guy in tow. So don't mess.

Random skulls™ everywhere on everything ever made for 40k.

Also that moment when you work out a nice quick scheme for horde painting then you realise you have to spend about twice as long as it took you to paint the squad up to this point picking out tiny little details shotgunned at the models like the skulls, gems and jewellery. It does look nice having a bit of it, but some kits are just spammed and too busy looking too.

The skulls are not exactly random though. The Imperium is a matyrdom cult so they make sense in that context.

I'll chip in...I HATE duplicate models. The unreasonable length I go through so that none of my models are in h exact same pose. not real an issue in 40k but Warmachine doesn't make all unique sculpts for all their models. So I have to constantly cut and repose to make everyone look like they have a slight different pose. Its very ocd.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Oh, I got a couple...

Beautifully sculpted models painted with cheap, crappy, craft store paint using cheap, crappy, craft store brushes.

I do my models painted with cheap craft store paint and (not really sure if cheap) craft store brushes, and even have someone who wants me to do some more painting for them, my work is not great but it is a decent table top degree, which works for me (don't waste time on shading and gak.)

 rayphoton wrote:
I'll chip in...I HATE duplicate models. The unreasonable length I go through so that none of my models are in h exact same pose. not real an issue in 40k but Warmachine doesn't make all unique sculpts for all their models. So I have to constantly cut and repose to make everyone look like they have a slight different pose. Its very ocd.

you must hate when GW comes out with a new starter set.

 Verviedi wrote:
Oh, I've had trouble with fething up magnet polarity. My Barracuda will never be able to equip its missile racks because of that.

put a small piece of metal sheet/block/whatever between the magnets and see if that works.

 Skymate wrote:
Tale of the stupid genius #1
The common senseless genius then picks up jungle fighter which is decked out in a desert colour scheme
"Why is this guy tan?" he asks
"He's going to be in a desert themed army; you dont have to always paint the models like the picture on the box"
i answer

"You dont?" he says in shock

when it comes to my IG I never went by the norm, heck no military has one uniform type, they adjust and change when need be.

 joseph_curwen wrote:
I try not to get too salty towards other folks' paintjobs/modelling (especially since I get that enough in my dayjob as an artist) but it always makes me clench my teeth a bit when i see even a halfway decent paintjob and the base is just left untouched.
See also! I really hate those clear acrylic bases (including flight stands for most things in 25-35mm scales.)
As to my own horrors, a big one is when i'm almost finished painting something only to find a massive gap or mold line that i completely missed.

Guilty as charged i'm lazy when it comes to bases.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

Another of my (small) peeves is when players paint their stuff wrong, fluffwise. Like making their Ravenwing bikes green when they are supposed to be black. Doesn't bother me much, as at least they painted their stuff (that's a "hint hint" at me ), but I still shake my head on the inside.

This is more of a pet peeve for me when looking for things to buy, when someone says its this and this army and it looks nothing like said army.

I have quite a few... I suppose the below are the ones that get to me the most (in ascending order):

#3 - Please try to put the terrain back in its original position if it accidentally gets moved.

#2 - Please do not leave your gak (e.g. dice, books, measuring tool(s), dead models, etc.) all over the game board while we're playing.

#1 - Please do not use an army consisting of models in various states of "completion" (i.e. some bare plastic, some bare metal, varying states of completion for color scheme #1, varying states of completion for color scheme #2, varying states of completion for color scheme #3, half assembled vehicles, models missing arms/heads/torsos, etc.).

 oni wrote:
I have quite a few... I suppose the below are the ones that get to me the most (in ascending order):

#2 - Please do not leave your gak (e.g. dice, books, measuring tool(s), dead models, etc.) all over the game board while we're playing.

this is why on my game boards I build dice areas where people can keep their books extra models, roll dice and so forth:

Let's see,
Back in 3rd edition 40K there was a guy using the 3.5 Chaos codex running Iron Warriors in cookie-cutter cheese list mode, that complained how broken my Necron were. He even complained that Living Metal was broken when lascannons failed to penetrate a Monolith (Apparently rolling a 2 to pen is Living metal's fault)

Generally anyone that doesn't treat their models with respect.

Temper tantrum throwers.

Guys that accuse you of being a "rules lawyer" when you want to play correctly. (I'm not talking about ambiguous rules or not-intended weird rules combo's, just basic things).

Really weird proxy armies. I'm fine with a Wraithlord counting as a Carnifex in one-off games or to road test a unit before purchasing it. Using it for a dozen or more games is a little ridiculous though.

Really weird themed armies that are very against the background. My Little Pony marines, Hello Kitty Marines, etc. If someone did a well converted Lizardman in space army that counts as Orks, I'd be fine with that.

I really only have one 'Pet Peeve' (yeah right!) and it's unpainted figures on the table, annnnnnnd, I see it far more amongst GW players than any historical games I've seen.
Why? not a clue! it just annoys me, I would never play any game with unpainted figures, scratch that, the first time I unboxed the first Ed Space Hulk, I glued the Stealers arms on, and everyone got glued to a base, then had at it! But the whole set got painted soon after.

John

Mould lines that are impossible to get at. And super glue.... Ugh.

By John 54 wrote:
I really only have one 'Pet Peeve' (yeah right!) and it's unpainted figures on the table, annnnnnnd, I see it far more amongst GW players than any historical games I've seen.
Why? not a clue! it just annoys me, I would never play any game with unpainted figures, scratch that, the first time I unboxed the first Ed Space Hulk, I glued the Stealers arms on, and everyone got glued to a base, then had at it! But the whole set got painted soon after.

John

To piggyback on this...I'll say a pet peeve of mine is when people act insulted or think you're elitist because you expect people to have a painted army, or actually paint their miniature models...which are made to be painted.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
People who dog someone's paint job on their models and then proceed to set up an unpainted army. I've had idiots comment loudly about how terrible a model looks with its (obvious) owner standing right next to them. Everybody is at their own level of painting ability and even Golden Demon winners have somebody better at it than them.

I've been a painter as a career and won my share of competitions and always try and find something positive to say about a model. Even the guy who had the bases glued on upside down and had scraps of his skin superglued all over the models.

On the flip side, people that think their painting the THE gak and think they are great painters of golden deamon level quality.
Me and my friend have been going every week to learn from a golden deamon winning painter. We are not the best, really we can make great tabletop armies and if we put our heads together and focus we can make something great that MIGHT win journeymen. But we have this jerk at our FLGS who thinks his single globbed on paint and gakky building is better than ours. Yeah i know it sounds arrogant, but this guy legitimatly believes it. He swindled a kid out of his $400+ FORGE WORLD World eaters army. What does he do for it? Paints it white, slathers it in agrax earthshade and says "It looks like they are covered int dirt" no, it looks like you slathered it in brown ink.
I know this sounds arrogant, But it annoys me when im giving airbrush advice to friends and this guy comes up and says "Dont listen, an airbrush is cheating at painting"

I'll admit, I have some painting hang ups. I don't like highlighting and I don't ink. I also don't like a weathered look to my vehicles. This makes most of my armies look like GW marines from the late 80's or early 90's. In some aspect, I actually like the "toy" look.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty decent at concept and construction when it comes to conversions, and pretty good at kitbashes.


I hate it when someone tells me a conversion looks bad, and then drops down their army that looks like they used half a tube of glue per figure, or glued an ork head on a tyranid and thinks it's the coolest thing ever.

 chromedog wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
Superglue that won't stick to resin, plastic or metal--but will instantly bond human flesh.

Most of that comes down to oils ... and "oils ain't oils" when it comes to ACC adhesives.

It just so happens that some of the oils in human sweat will actively accelerate the curing of superglues (and no, they weren't specifically designed to stick skin - that's a later development and a different formula with a different molecule.)

Really?

I thought CNA glue was an accidental development off an attempt to replace stitches in medical use - in short, to glue wounds back together rather than use potentially contaminated threads.

(It wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken about such things, though.)

I've got one or two pet peeves, one being pretty common.

I hate putting my unpainted/base-coated models on the table and seeing my opponent's painted army glaring down the barrels of their guns. I'm honestly embarrassed until the dice start rolling and the game starts. I love painting, and I wish I had more time to do it.

Another one is rules that 'suddenly come out' when I'm playing someone. Usually there's an understanding that most armies (in 40k and AoS) have a decent amount of special rules. But if I'd known how many bonuses (a gak ton) Sylvaneth get in the trees, I wouldn't have charged my 40 saurus into them.

Converted plague marines with chainswords or two handing their bolter.

Plague Marines pistol grip their boltgun and hold a plagueknife in their offhand, nurgledammit! Come on guys the basic chaos box contains plenty of pistol grip arms and knives!

Lack of uniformity in models - Wraithguard being a prime one as each model in the kit has a different cowl and vane thing. I get the idea, but the whole "unique model" effect wears off when you have 2 or more squads on the table.

Hating on airbrushes - airbrushing properly takes skill, but there seems to be a mentality that using one makes you an instant artist and is somehow cheating.

For me it's when people put very little effort into what they call conversions. My buddy 'converted' the SM half of Dark Vengeance to be Chaos marines so that whole box could be Chaos.

Brings them over aaaaaaand they're just painted the same as his World Eaters - still with DA iconography and everything. He glued some spikes around their bodies and that was it.

Fair enough, people have different amounts of time and whatnot but those aren't really conversions . . .

 D4V1D0 wrote:
Lack of uniformity in models - Wraithguard being a prime one as each model in the kit has a different cowl and vane thing. I get the idea, but the whole "unique model" effect wears off when you have 2 or more squads on the table.

Hating on airbrushes - airbrushing properly takes skill, but there seems to be a mentality that using one makes you an instant artist and is somehow cheating.

Then spread out the different vanes amongst those multiple squads to identify them?

 Vulcan wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
Superglue that won't stick to resin, plastic or metal--but will instantly bond human flesh.

Most of that comes down to oils ... and "oils ain't oils" when it comes to ACC adhesives.

It just so happens that some of the oils in human sweat will actively accelerate the curing of superglues (and no, they weren't specifically designed to stick skin - that's a later development and a different formula with a different molecule.)

Really?

I thought CNA glue was an accidental development off an attempt to replace stitches in medical use - in short, to glue wounds back together rather than use potentially contaminated threads.

(It wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken about such things, though.)

Both correct. It was originally discovered it during a different wartime research project in 1942. They initially thought of the wartime medical purposes but rejected it and sold it commercially. It was later re-adapted for medical use. It was first used medically in Vietnam as a way to seal wounds before the soldier could get to a hospital. It's worth noting that the stuff we use is not the same as is used medically, so don't go gluing shut hobby knife wounds.

Ruin wrote:
Then spread out the different vanes amongst those multiple squads to identify them?

EDIT: I've realised what this comment actually meant, so ignore my previous response

My opponent touching my dice, that one boils the me the most. Second place is the "new paint curse" where your freshly painted models die before being effective in their first battle.

Spending a year converting, customizing, and painting an entire Army, building and setting a themed display board...then losing "Best Painted/Hobby" to someone who paid one of the Judges to do his stuff for him.

Superglue.

Unpainted models, especially old metal stuff that you know the guy has owned for at least a decade. Beautifully painted models on black plastic bases, so close!

I feel bad saying it, but grammar on wargaming fora gets me too. Using the right words really isn't that hard guys.

Edit: Superglue deserves another mention.

KellyJ wrote:
Spending a year converting, customizing, and painting an entire Army, building and setting a themed display board...then losing "Best Painted/Hobby" to someone who paid one of the Judges to do his stuff for him.

I understand that the judge should not be allowed to vote if he did some of the work.
Plus his relationship with the other judges is already an issue.

However, it makes sense that you would lose a Best painted to someone who does this professionally, I mean... those people are professionals I guess.

DarkBlack, you reminded me of another one!

Plastic to meal joints!

and drilling metal models!

Best Painted should never be awarded to someone who didn't actually paint their army.

I lost out to an army that just had sprays of yellow everywhere for "OSL" and poorly done, non-thematic freehand everywhere.

When you triumphantly slide the last tank tread into place... and there's a gap.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Best Painted should never be awarded to someone who didn't actually paint their army.

I lost out to an army that just had sprays of yellow everywhere for "OSL" and poorly done, non-thematic freehand everywhere.

But was it better painted than your army ?

Was the general impression stronger ?

Honestly, if you pay someone a feth ton of money to get your army painted, you should be able to get Best Painted too.

This is not a contest of who wasted more hours on it, but which army looks the best and is most enjoyable by everyone who faces it.


That said, if you think the judging was unfair, give us pictures of the armies so we can give you our opinion - in another thread.

Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

Course, just because GW used to have a standard that you had to paint your own army (or at least say you did) to be eligible for 'Best Painted'... But that was long ago and far away.

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

That makes no sense at all. I want to win Best Painted because I have the best army there. I have lost to better armies and been completely fine with it.

I have never lost to a 3rd party painted army. I wouldn't participate in a tourney that would do that. I was just expressing that it doesn't make sense to award someone because they had more money to pay for it.

Selfish players.

First game in years in November, and it was Apocalypse. 4 peeps per side, 12,000 total per side, distributed evenly.

I fielded my mixed Mechanicus, including a luvverly Ordinatus Saggitar. Relatively few models (did you know, 6 Kastellan, two Datasmiths and an Archmagos are around 1,000 points? I do!)

Co-players had various Astartes. One of whom had the full drop pod formation thing, where the pods are free. He then chose to deploy right amongst enemy lines. Enemy Tau lines.

So for about an hour, I had nothing to do but kick my heels whilst he carefully positioned, repositioned, measured, re-measured, re-positioned each and every pod.

Then came intercept.

Then came his temper tantrum caused by the intercept he knew was coming.

We were playing at Warhammer World, and had a limited time frame to get in as many turns as possible. Such a literal waste of time. Especially as he stupidly deployed right in the midst, where I'd been lining up a proper naughty kill shot with the Volcano Cannon.....enemy didn't realise it had a 6' range....the big goon. Worst bit was the car ride home, with me driving The Beast. He was in the car. And rather than discuss our glorious win (last minute Kastelan fisting a Stompa to death just tipped us ahead), all I got was whining about Tau. DUDE. WE WON. AND WE SMASHED THEM GOOD INTO THE BARGAIN SO IT WAS A PROPER WIN. HUSH.


And....bad players.

No, not those hopeless at the game (otherwise I'd hate myself for playing Bloodbowl, a game I've never scored in, let alone won). But those who are terrible sports, win or lose (and I know people that are terrible at both)


Final one?

My flatmate moving and borrowing my tools.

If you need to use them, that's cool dude. No biggy. But don't take them into the blackhole you call a bedroom. I'm not going in there because a) good manners b) your semi-sentient killer socks. So just use them in the front room. Where we've got that massive table for painting and modelling and gaming, yeah?

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

the whole point of Painting contests is to be judged on your work, not someone else's work you paid for.

That's like winning say, The Turner prize, when the pile of bricks you submitted was actually left in your front garden by a builder, and Charles 'doesn't seem to actually understand the concept of art' Saatchi happened to be walking past.

Your painting hasn't won anything. You simply haven't earned that award.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Selfish players.


We were playing at Warhammer World, and had a limited time frame to get in as many turns as possible.

That really stinks, man. Ouch.

Another reason to only play Apoc with close friends. I'd love to play a normal game at Warhammer world! Even Kill Team would be fun!

Oh these were my local nerdherd.

We're going back for my birthday in June. Another Apocalypse game, same size, but this time Heresy, and guess who's not invited?

It's not so much the slow play thing (I mean, that's his army, so fair do's), but the total lack of sportsmanship.

And he can't hold his beer, which when you're making a long weekend of it isn't up to snuff!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


And he can't hold his beer

Poppycock! Out with him, indeed!

Besides, you should have Kentucky Bourbon.

Good luck on your birthday Apoc bash! Take pictures and make a thread!

This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

That reminds me of the metal Hive Tyrant.

Built one myself, took me ages.

When I worked for GW in the dim and distant past? Couple a week for customers.

I then moved on (doing much better now! Even got a proper career with a pension and that!)....sodding finecast one came out. Say what you like about variable quality, but I never did have to pin finecast stuff. And it never reduced to me a quivering wreck.

 Stevefamine wrote:
This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

I built one. Glue everywhere!

 kronk wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


And he can't hold his beer

Poppycock! Out with him, indeed!

Besides, you should have Kentucky Bourbon.

Good luck on your birthday Apoc bash! Take pictures and make a thread!

Bourbon? Eeeeewwwwww!

Pics may be forthcoming. I've assembled a thematic 3,000 point Loyalist Iron Warriors force, and hope to begin painting it very soon.

Got to love that Prospero box!

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

That makes no sense at all. I want to win Best Painted because I have the best army there. I have lost to better armies and been completely fine with it.

I have never lost to a 3rd party painted army. I wouldn't participate in a tourney that would do that. I was just expressing that it doesn't make sense to award someone because they had more money to pay for it.

Because you think it makes sense to award you because you had more time to pay for it ?

damn... and I thought they said time is money.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That's like winning say, The Turner prize, when the pile of bricks you submitted was actually left in your front garden by a builder, and Charles 'doesn't seem to actually understand the concept of art' Saatchi happened to be walking past.

Your painting hasn't won anything. You simply haven't earned that award.

And there I thought we were awarding a prize to the army for being really nice to look at ... as that is to me the only thing that matters.

Stevefamine wrote:This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

I'd do it for fun and the challenge

-Loki- wrote:
It's worth noting that the stuff we use is not the same as is used medically, so don't go gluing shut hobby knife wounds.

To late, done that multiple times. But then again I've slit my hands so many times I actually painted a model's sword in my own blood.

morgoth wrote:


And there I thought we were awarding a prize to the army for being really nice to look at ... as that is to me the only thing that matters.

Nope, it's supposed to be for your skill in painting, not someone else's...

When people who aren't participating in said match/battle start giving "well I would do blah blah because blah blah" to me or my opponents during a game. It's one thing to help someone new to or learning a game but don't play someone elses match for them...... ugh.

when people use the word "die" when they mean "dice". I've long since come to terms with the fact that "dice" to refer to a single die is the norm in British English and it has leaked into American English, but "die" as a plural is just... incorrect.

When you play with people for months but you need to constantly remind them of rules....even their armies.... because for some reason they can't pick up the darn books and read it themselves....

That's when I just start making up preposterously bad things about their army and preposterously great rules for mine. Lol

Players that look down on others because

1. They cannot yet paint to a good standard.
2. They do not spend enough money on their stuff ( paints and
brushes).
3. They scratch build a lot of stuff.
4. They build sub optimal lists and use sub optimal units.

There is a lot of snobbery and looking down on other players in this hobby, that is what grinds my gears the most !
Everyone has to start somewhere, if you have nothing good to say about someones army, then dont say it, Constructive criticism is fine but at least find a good point to go with it.

 RatBot wrote:
when people use the word "die" when they mean "dice". I've long since come to terms with the fact that "dice" to refer to a single die is the norm in British English and it has leaked into American English, but "die" as a plural is just... incorrect.

People who say "dices" are far worse to me. Almost as bad as "codexes" instead of "codices".

People who've never played a tabletop game and assume it works like Dawn on war

DOW player: Just use orbital boimbardment
Marine player: I cant do that
DOW player: Then deploy your land raider
Marine player: I cant, it's been destroyed
DOW player: Then send a servitor to fix it

For me:

Dice for singular die.
Codexes, codex's and the like instead of codices.

Oh, and using "verse" as a verb. As in "I versed you already." - it just makes me think of people doing an improv poetry-off.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
That's when I just start making up preposterously bad things about their army and preposterously great rules for mine. Lol

This. When I first started out in WHFB, my friends dwarves where simply unbeatable, due to the fact that I never read the Dwarf army book. His army couldn't be hurt by spells, always hit on 2+, installiert-killed everything in my army and his Runesmith had ALL the runes (most of them where probably made up, but ehh).

Then AoS dropped, and I could finally read the Dwarf rules without buying their book.

He hasn't won a game since.

Dwarfs were boring to fight in Warhammer.

Taken as a gunline, they reduced their opponent's options to 'cross the board as fast as we can, hope we've got enough left to win combat'

Perhaps more a fault of local gamers than the army itself.

KellyJ wrote:
Spending a year converting, customizing, and painting an entire Army, building and setting a themed display board...then losing "Best Painted/Hobby" to someone who paid one of the Judges to do his stuff for him.

Sorry to hear. That's super gakky.

I can sympathize a little. I was in a speed painting competition where the judge dismissed my entry because he wanted his buddies to win. Some of the other competitors noticed it as well and commented, but unfortunately there's not really anything anyone can do in these situations.

chromedog wrote:Codexes, codex's and the like instead of codices.

Just Tony wrote:Almost as bad as "codexes" instead of "codices".

If you're referring to 40K army books then codexes is the correct plural according to GW...

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Home/codex-gamers-editions.html

They also use inaccuracies like "the reason why" and "orientate", so I don't give them credence over the English language as taught by scholars worldwide.

I cant stand mold lines in places you cant get your knife into.

 Just Tony wrote:
They also inaccuracies like "the reason why" and "orientate", so I don't give them credence over the English language as taught by scholars worldwide.

+1 this.

They really should know better.

 Damikeis wrote:
I cant stand mold lines in places you cant get your knife into.

There is no such thing.

You're supposed to clean the mold lines on the pieces, not on the model.

When every piece is perfectly clean, you then assemble and no new mold lines appear.

morgoth wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
I cant stand mold lines in places you cant get your knife into.

There is no such thing.

You're supposed to clean the mold lines on the pieces, not on the model.

When every piece is perfectly clean, you then assemble and no new mold lines appear.

That’s false. There are plenty of times I meticulously clean every piece before I assemble a mini, but once I prime it a few more have appeared. New lines, not once I just missed. Nope.

Jokes aside, some minis have mold lines/resin gates in some very awkward places. I recall when assembling my thunderfire cannon some of the ones on the track wheels were pretty much impossible to get a knife at. If I had some hooked dental tools, maybe, but no normal hobby kit was going to get them 100% clean.

Mold Lines are just another word for 'Warp Fractures'. This is why they appear from nowhere when painting models. It is also why coating models in Purity Seal is such an important step when finishing models. Without it you are prone to daemonic incursion and perils of the warp.

morgoth wrote:

 Damikeis wrote:
I cant stand mold lines in places you cant get your knife into.

There is no such thing.

You're supposed to clean the mold lines on the pieces, not on the model.

When every piece is perfectly clean, you then assemble and no new mold lines appear.

I disagree, there are plenty of spots where you have a mould line in a nook or small concave radius that you can't get a knife in to without having to whittle the detail back on after you've removed it.

Awkward injection points. Especially on FW stuff :(

I get pretty annoyed whenever I stab myself while trimming something or removing it from a sprue.

And I do that pretty often.

Other people don't bother me too much, at least in regards to hobby stuff. I do find people who chew extremely noisily while talking to be the epitome of evil, but, you know, that happens everywhere.

Mixing older sculpts and newer ones. If there is a newer version of a kit sometimes I can't stand having the older stuff in the same force. This has really hit me hard with my Infinity Haqqislam collection. To my knowledge CB has re sculpted the basic Haqqislam infantry twice and it drives me up the wall. I've replaced most of my Space Marines with the newer kits as well. Although, in that case, it's mostly a case of the models being ruined by poor conversion jobs and shoddy modelling.

Probably the most egregious case on my part regarding this issue is when I replaced a 60 man strong German army in Bolt Action once Warlord games released the grenadiers kit. There was nothing wrong with the older models. I just had to have a cohesive looking army.

STUFF ON THE TABLE

You both spend months painting an army, build a table of massive impressive terrain, and arrange all your models up into a game that looks really cool - then plaster the board with cups, bits of paper, books, keys, soda cans?

I'm one of those people that clears my dice back into my corner after I roll, and clear up my opponents' back into his before I start my turn. I pretend that I'm just doing it to clear the way for the movement phase, or to make sure he doesn't lose anything, but really it's because I want it to look pretty....

One of my pet peaves, and only realised it yesterday, is people always bringing special characters. I know that the way the rules have developed that this is fairly normal (especially with the counts as someone like them 'rule'). Now, if someone said, oh I will be using this special character, but he is actually [insert their own character that fits with their army], I would be ok with that. But people don't seem to bother with even that anymore. I'm sorry, but Marnius Calgar or Commissar Yarrick is not going to turn up to every skirmish on a back water world - they are Galaxy wide renowned hero's, they have far more pressing matters to attend to like leading the 2nd, 5th and 7th Companies in an attack on a Major Traitor Legion Stronghold, or advising the General of the crusade as to where best to deploy his forces.

Please, if you are going to use special characters, either have a good reason why they are in the battle or make them you're own.

icn1982 wrote:
One of my pet peaves, and only realised it yesterday, is people always bringing special characters. I know that the way the rules have developed that this is fairly normal (especially with the counts as someone like them 'rule'). Now, if someone said, oh I will be using this special character, but he is actually [insert their own character that fits with their army], I would be ok with that. But people don't seem to bother with even that anymore. I'm sorry, but Marnius Calgar or Commissar Yarrick is not going to turn up to every skirmish on a back water world - they are Galaxy wide renowned hero's, they have far more pressing matters to attend to like leading the 2nd, 5th and 7th Companies in an attack on a Major Traitor Legion Stronghold, or advising the General of the crusade as to where best to deploy his forces.

Please, if you are going to use special characters, either have a good reason why they are in the battle or make them you're own.

95% agree. I hate how in a VAST universe with countless battles across countless worlds that the same handful of characters always show up (only exception being Draigo because well...... hes Draigo, that's sorta his thing to just show up.... sorta like Doomrider). I always try to make special characters be somebody different using that rule set so at the very least its a unique special character in my army and not Castellan Crowe #7568. I will say though that the 5% that doesn't agree is that many people don't have the skill or want to create custom models/fluff for characters so while I don't like it, I don't fault people from using a special character.

When I ran Captain Cortez, it was because I liked the character. When I ran Pedro Kantor, it was because that was the only way to get Crimson Fists special rules at the time. When I ran Eltharion the Swordmaster, it was because he was the epitome of badassedry, I loved his backstory and his will, and because it unlocked a Saphery list for all intents and purposes. I personally don't see an issue with it. Now back when Lysander was showing up in Salamander armies? No, that gak pissed me straight the Hell off.

 Vankraken wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
One of my pet peaves, and only realised it yesterday, is people always bringing special characters. I know that the way the rules have developed that this is fairly normal (especially with the counts as someone like them 'rule'). Now, if someone said, oh I will be using this special character, but he is actually [insert their own character that fits with their army], I would be ok with that. But people don't seem to bother with even that anymore. I'm sorry, but Marnius Calgar or Commissar Yarrick is not going to turn up to every skirmish on a back water world - they are Galaxy wide renowned hero's, they have far more pressing matters to attend to like leading the 2nd, 5th and 7th Companies in an attack on a Major Traitor Legion Stronghold, or advising the General of the crusade as to where best to deploy his forces.

Please, if you are going to use special characters, either have a good reason why they are in the battle or make them you're own.

95% agree. I hate how in a VAST universe with countless battles across countless worlds that the same handful of characters always show up (only exception being Draigo because well...... hes Draigo, that's sorta his thing to just show up.... sorta like Doomrider). I always try to make special characters be somebody different using that rule set so at the very least its a unique special character in my army and not Castellan Crowe #7568. I will say though that the 5% that doesn't agree is that many people don't have the skill or want to create custom models/fluff for characters so while I don't like it, I don't fault people from using a special character.

This. Kairos seems to show up at A LOT of battles involving no other Tzeentch daemons at all.
I do love my Blue Scribes though (my favorite conversion), but games and armies with then always have a spell searching narrative.

Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

 toasteroven wrote:
Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

I'm worried about Cael showing up in all Armies of the Imperium from now on, but I like it when people have characters in their army. I DONT like home brew armies with no background thought.

Seeing no Cadians in the Gathering Storm pictures on GW's website. Yeah, I guess it doesn't take much. . .

At my towns annual model show every year two of the members kids enter the SAME THING and always get awards for them.
Every year; there is a girl who enters her 1:24th Tim Burton Batmobile in the 'teen cars' category and wins [despite it having an unfinshed paint job and knife marks] and there's a boy who enters the same Blood angels scout bike in the 'wargames' section and wins. That bike should never win anything. It looks like it was painted with a melted crayon

Changing my mind on a colour scheme halway through painting a model. Doesn't help that I mostly play skirmish games, so most of my models have unique individual colour schemes as opposed to an army wide scheme (like a single space marine chapter).

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

I'm worried about Cael showing up in all Armies of the Imperium from now on, but I like it when people have characters in their army. I DONT like home brew armies with no background thought.

Hmm.... all of my armies are homebrew, I guess. Always have been. Not "special rule" homebrew, I just prefer to come up with my own names and story. Would that be the sort of thing that bothers you?

 toasteroven wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

I'm worried about Cael showing up in all Armies of the Imperium from now on, but I like it when people have characters in their army. I DONT like home brew armies with no background thought.

Hmm.... all of my armies are homebrew, I guess. Always have been. Not "special rule" homebrew, I just prefer to come up with my own names and story. Would that be the sort of thing that bothers you?

I would very much like it.
The only thing I'm against is home made models or other range models that look out of place.

morgoth wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

I'm worried about Cael showing up in all Armies of the Imperium from now on, but I like it when people have characters in their army. I DONT like home brew armies with no background thought.

Hmm.... all of my armies are homebrew, I guess. Always have been. Not "special rule" homebrew, I just prefer to come up with my own names and story. Would that be the sort of thing that bothers you?

I would very much like it.
The only thing I'm against is home made models or other range models that look out of place.

I'm talking about people who run SM armies with their own neat paint scheme, character conversions and then like, and when I say "cool, so who's sucsessor are they?" they stare at me blankly and say "I don't know, I guess I didn't think about that. I just want to play the game, man."

That was probably what made me go full HH.

morgoth wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:
Probably a demon character is the most justifiable for showing up in multiple battles all over the galaxy. They don't got to follow our rules.

I'm worried about Cael showing up in all Armies of the Imperium from now on, but I like it when people have characters in their army. I DONT like home brew armies with no background thought.

Hmm.... all of my armies are homebrew, I guess. Always have been. Not "special rule" homebrew, I just prefer to come up with my own names and story. Would that be the sort of thing that bothers you?

I would very much like it.
The only thing I'm against is home made models or other range models that look out of place.

One time I was gaming and this dude showed off his Lego Land Speeder, and it was damn near the size of a Land Raider. Having only one was not that bad, as I can identify it. Now when Joe Orteza showed up with that Chaos army that was 98% green stuff with a few actual GW bits in it? Not at all, I wouldn't have played. "Oh, those lumps of things that look like twisty fire? Bikes." "Oh, the scorpion? Land Raider." Not at all. If you're going that route, why not run a complete Warzone army as a 40K arm... Actually, Miller did that up in Ft. Wayne.

 Coldhatred wrote:
Seeing no Cadians in the Gathering Storm pictures on GW's website. Yeah, I guess it doesn't take much. . .

>Cadia is the home planet of the iconic and arguably most famous Imperial Guard regiment
>Literally THE Guard planet
>Campaign is called "The Fall of Cadia"
>Should be the finest/darkest hour of the Guard
>Thousands of Guard players thump their chests and prepare for battle
>Campaign focuses on Sisters of Battle and Marysue Space Marines
>Not a single Guardsman in sight

And then Games Workshop wonder why they get such a bad rep.

But really, who gives a gak until you've seen the next book?

Every single Guard player whom has looked at the leaks and felt that horrible sinking feeling?

"There are no Cadians on Cadia..."

Only Cajuns on Cadia

The whining... it's too strong in this thread.

Dude, there's a campaign. And it's about Cadia, isn't that awesome?

Who cares if the cadians are in that book or another one...


It's probaby because they weren't home that the planet falls anyway...

Maybe the planet wouldn't fall if those arrogant Cadians weren't spread out thin across the galaxy trying to make all the other regiments look bad instead of staying at home and defending the gate...

You had one job Cadians, ONE JOB!!!

nareik wrote:
Maybe the planet wouldn't fall if those arrogant Cadians weren't spread out thin across the galaxy trying to make all the other regiments look bad instead of staying at home and defending the gate...

You had one job Cadians, ONE JOB!!!

Yes! Your job is to die! Now do it!

I find it quite hilarious that the Cadians are missing their own end of the world party.

They will probably come back home all together and retake it.

To everyone telling the Guard players to get over it, imagine the last campaign book, Warzone Fenris, opened up and the story focused on....the Grey Knights and Eldar saving Fenris instead of the Space Wolves. That's how it feels.

 jreilly89 wrote:
To everyone telling the Guard players to get over it, imagine the last campaign book, Warzone Fenris, opened up and the story focused on....the Grey Knights and Eldar saving Fenris instead of the Space Wolves. That's how it feels.

I think you vastly overestimate how much most people care about those books and more specifically Space wolves.

Or if the 13th crusade was solely made up of Daemons being led by Fabius Bile.

Or if a Helms Deep expansion had Uruk Hai vs Warriors of Minas Tirith.

Yeah, thats right. I like the SBG. Bite me.

How about a 30K game "The Siege of Terra" that features Eldar Exodites holding off a horde of Skaven?

Wait, people are just describing things that would be awesome now, right?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I play mtg and I find people constantly and noisily shuffling their cards very annoying, especially in my damn turn. They're not even looking at them, just aggressively flicking through them instead of doing something useful, because they've seen some 'pros' do the same. Maybe they think it's intimidating or perhaps they have ADHD, but they look ridiculous.

I understand the idea of shuffling your hand so your opponent can't see which cards you've been holding onto for a long time. But shuffling repeatedly is not needed, it achieves nothing beyond being irritating. I shuffle my hand at the end of my turn and put it on the table, I pick it up if I need to interrupt and play something.

Yes, card flicking is the worst.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I play mtg and I find people constantly and noisily shuffling their cards very annoying, especially in my damn turn. They're not even looking at them, just aggressively flicking through them instead of doing something useful, because they've seen some 'pros' do the same. Maybe they think it's intimidating or perhaps they have ADHD, but they look ridiculous.

I understand the idea of shuffling your hand so your opponent can't see which cards you've been holding onto for a long time. But shuffling repeatedly is not needed, it achieves nothing beyond being irritating. I shuffle my hand at the end of my turn and put it on the table, I pick it up if I need to interrupt and play something.

Yes, card flicking is the worst.

*Flicks cards and eats sticky donut* yep, couldn't agree more

And then some people wonder why we Guard players are so bitter....
I only hope that some massive end-of-the-marines campaign book comes out next, and has no mention of the space sues in it at all.

 master of ordinance wrote:
And then some people wonder why we Guard players are so bitter....
I only hope that some massive end-of-the-marines campaign book comes out next, and has no mention of the space sues in it at all.

The Fall of Macragge:

The Cadian Regiments fend off a massive Tyranid Hive fleet.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
And then some people wonder why we Guard players are so bitter....
I only hope that some massive end-of-the-marines campaign book comes out next, and has no mention of the space sues in it at all.

The Fall of Macragge:

The Cadian Regiments fend off a massive Tyranid Hive fleet.

I wish, I really do. But the forums would be aflame with angry Marine players if this where too happen.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
And then some people wonder why we Guard players are so bitter....
I only hope that some massive end-of-the-marines campaign book comes out next, and has no mention of the space sues in it at all.

The Fall of Macragge:

The Cadian Regiments fend off a massive Tyranid Hive fleet.

I wish, I really do. But the forums would be aflame with angry Marine players if this where too happen.

All the more reason to do it.

morgoth wrote:
The whining... it's too strong in this thread.

That's what the thread is for.

What about spending countless hours on dollars on an army to be told its 'not playable' anymore or it cant be used due to some other reason.

 Skymate wrote:
What about spending countless hours on dollars on an army to be told its 'not playable' anymore or it cant be used due to some other reason.

Any specific army in mind?

 Skymate wrote:
What about spending countless hours on dollars on an army to be told its 'not playable' anymore or it cant be used due to some other reason.

Your fault for thinking squats were cool :p.

nareik wrote:

 Skymate wrote:
What about spending countless hours on dollars on an army to be told its 'not playable' anymore or it cant be used due to some other reason.

Your fault for thinking squats were cool :p.

And besides, isn't it about time to let go of that anger ?

My pet peeves were back from around 2001-2, so thus list might seem a little... Dated.

1. The Power gamers using 100% cheese lists in casual games. Don't get me wrong, winning is good but keep that kind of mentality for tournaments, not for stomping the casual players.

2. People getting salty over bad luck/opponent silly luck. The dice favour no one. It gives and takes in equal measure.

3. The general attitude towards people painting armies in non-fluff colours or as an obvious joke. Before my long hiatus, football kits were the usual ones done to space marines/Tau. And guarantee one person would be super negative about it, even if it was well painted.

4. Old metal models that seemed to fall apart even if you pinned them. Just ugh.

Miscasts and just poorly designed models. The skorne desert hydra neck details are really shallow and just ruin the model for me. Should look like a $100 model.

Freddy Kruger wrote:
4. Old metal models that seemed to fall apart even if you pinned them. Just ugh.

I'm still feeling this one, so it's not so out of date at all i'd say

Metal models what keep on rubbing at the edges. My Mobile Brigada looks good, but the edges of his armour keep rubbing to show bare metal, and I am fed up of painting and varnishing them.
Can they not wear out, just for one game?

 master of ordinance wrote:
Metal models what keep on rubbing at the edges. My Mobile Brigada looks good, but the edges of his armour keep rubbing to show bare metal, and I am fed up of painting and varnishing them.
Can they not wear out, just for one game?

What varnish do you use? How are you storing them? I use Krylon Matte Finish and never have a problem with paint rubbing off my metal minis.

Vellejo Satin Kronk, and the wear comes from the handling in games.

Could be a couple different issues (or combination thereof).

1) Mold-release agents. These prevent the metal from sticking to the mold when the miniature is cast. Failing to was these off means paint won't bind to the metal properly.

2) Priming problems. Even if washed properly, you need a primer that will properly bind to the metal. Failure to use a proper primer (and instead using a regular paint) will cause problems down the road.

3) Paint issues. Some paints just do not wear well at all, to the point that paint will rub off the model even during the painting process. I've found using acrylic inks as a final wash not only helps shade the mini, but also creates a protective layer over the paint.

4) Varnish problems. If the varnish doesn't quite make a complete coat and winds up with blank spots, that's a structural weakness that can cause flaking. Likewise, some varnishes don't handle wear and tear as well as other.

I've been doing two coats of krylon gloss for durability, then one of Testor's matte to kill the shine.

5) Excessive handling of the model, not the base. Even the strongest varnish, paint, and primers on a thoroughly scrubbed mini will wear off if the mini is being continually handled. The edge of the bases, on the other hand, are very easily touched up if the paint wears there. Easier said than done, I know, but handling the base instead of the mini to the maximum extent possible helps prolong the life of the paint.

Hope that helps....

I use Citadel paints and Vallejo varnish - thoughts?

I'm the opposite.

I use Vallejo paints because:

a) huge variety in shades
b) the quality is variable, but overall its just as good as Citadel
c) its far cheaper
d) I can pick them up from Boyes in my local town centre. For Citadel paints I have to order online, or take a 30 min trip to the next town to visit my nearest GW.

But I use Citadel shades, dry paints, metallics (Vallejo's metals are awful IMO) and special effects.

I use Army painter spray varnish.


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The new Citadel special effect basing paints are fantastic. Really speeds up the basing for my Fallout miniatures. I'm using a combination of Agrellan Earth and Agrellan Badlands for desert bases, and Astrogranite and Astrogranite debris for urban bases (tarmac / concrete rubble).

I am slowly moving over to Vallejo and Army Painter, as fast as my Citadel paints run out. The big problem with Vallejo is the way the constantly separate out, meaning that one has to almost dislocate ones arm to prime them.

Back on topic, another major peeve I have is the misuse of Latin amongst the companies and some of the community.
Best example thusfar: Timmy (again) just purchased a Knight for his iron Warriors and called it...
Ferrox Vitas.
Or as we call it in English, Ferris Lives.
He claims it means Iron Life (which would be Ferrum Vitae)

Other examples include GW's pig-latin (Astra-miliwhat?!) and much of the Black Library content for 40K.

Mold lines across high profile areas that are difficult to clean like.... the face of a plastic trollblood warder. Half of mine look like they have battle scars from a grizzly bear now.

My biggest pet peeve is people who complain about special characters. They are the best looking models and give the army a reason to play. I pick an army based on special guys.

One more thing that can cause paint to come off minis.

Skin oils.

ALWAYS wash your hands before handling the minis you're assembling/painting.

@Morgoth
Sorry if I sound 'angry' all the time, I have PTSD

My other pet peeves are loud mouthed kids who grab model, despite the fact they are either on a table which says 'Display only: NO TOUCHING' or grab them anyway although there might be someone nearby who says "Don't touch those"

I'm also really annoyed at people [mostly thick-skulled, narrow minded bible thumpers] who accuse gamers of being 'devil worshippers' because they collect 'yucky looking' men