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As suggested in another thread, those in the Southern Hemisphere who feel that GW's policies are insulting and unfair should gather their knowledge here in order to organise some sort of logistical solution to the present supply chain issues we face.

I have some UK citizen friends who have offered to buy from Wayland/Dark Sphere and ship to AUS on behalf of myself, however, I feel a larger organised solution is in order.

Please use this thread to post your ideas and we will hopefully organise something that will benefit all.

Great idea. I'm hoping the UK members will take pity on our plight.

Problem is, if you make a bigger order you're likely to fall foul of customs and, likely, be hit with a hefty import duty charge...


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That said, if you were to unbox the models and put the pieces in bags, it'd just look like you were shipping your army home...

Miraclefish wrote:Problem is, if you make a bigger order you're likely to fall foul of customs and, likely, be hit with a hefty import duty charge...


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That said, if you were to unbox the models and put the pieces in bags, it'd just look like you were shipping your army home...

Thanks Miraclefish, this is the type of input we require in order to consider all angles.


keep it up!

Miraclefish wrote:Problem is, if you make a bigger order you're likely to fall foul of customs and, likely, be hit with a hefty import duty charge...

As long as the order is below AUD$1000, we should be ok.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:Problem is, if you make a bigger order you're likely to fall foul of customs and, likely, be hit with a hefty import duty charge...

As long as the order is below AUD$1000, we should be ok.

Im certain that the weight of "fine-cast" *spits* should also ensure that these orders are lighter than metal counterparts as time goes by.

You can fit quite a bit into $1000AUD orders and spread the shipping out evenly meaning we each only suffer a smaller increase on what we would otherwise pay from Wayland/maelstrom/Dark sphere... am I missing any?

It all depends on how wiling your friends are to offer this service. For a case of beer per order?

They will need to order from the cheapest supplier such as Dark Sphere and then break the boxes open into bags to fit all into a big box not weighing more than 15 kg to use shipping broker trans global's pricing of 62 quid airmail to Aus.

Divide that in equal parts between 5 ish members of the group buy and you're set postage wise. Mark as gift.

I suggest forming local groups of 5-10 people and make this a monthly shipment. Designate a group coordinator who everyone forwards their orders to be compiled into one big list. This list is then forwarded to his UK volunteer group counterpart to be assigned to someone who is free to make and handle the order. Each buying member makes seperate paypal gift payments to the assigned handler in pounds equal to the value of the order and their share of the postage plus whatever beer contribution.

The big package will be sent to the Aus group lead's address and it is his responsibility to split the items into lots or get members to visit and pick out their items checked against their orders.

We will need set deadlines for orders in, payment dates based on how long it takes for funds to clear. Postage should be split evenly across the entire group, but guestimate how much your part of the order will weigh. Use Wayland's shopping cart for that or weigh proxy sprues. Not really a problem with Finecast...

May want to send books using royal mail book service.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:Problem is, if you make a bigger order you're likely to fall foul of customs and, likely, be hit with a hefty import duty charge...

As long as the order is below AUD$1000, we should be ok.

Also, it sometimes helps to have it labeled as "gift", at least it does here in the US(shipping decent sized boxes internationally is a standard practice in the TF community).

Platuan4th wrote:Also, it sometimes helps to have it labeled as "gift", at least it does here in the US(shipping decent sized boxes internationally is a standard practice in the TF community).

It makes no difference here. It has just as much chance of being checked by customs, and if they look at it and think it looks like commercial merchandise and doesn't have a stated value or an invoice with it, they'll guestimate the value of it and apply the appropriate tarifs anyway.

As HBMC said, though, there are no tarifs or taxes on shipments up to $1000 in value. Although it's worth pointing out that if you're receiving multiple packages within a short timespan, they may add their value together if they spot it.

I'm sure alot of UK members would be glad to help out, but how would the whole thing work in terms of payment?

WOuld you guys order it from Oz and select a UK address from a willing party who would then ship it on? That would mean setting up a paypal account where the registered address is different to the card holders address (trust me, you'd want to use a credit card!)...and I think this is not allowed. Also, what would you do about paypal fees?

Even if your UK friends paid for it up front, and you paid them back via paypal, you'd still have to cover the fees, which I think start at 3% (I might be wrong)....even direct bank transfers have fees attached...would this still be cheaper than shopping at home in Oz?

Delephont wrote:WOuld you guys order it from Oz and select a UK address from a willing party who would then ship it on? That would mean setting up a paypal account where the registered address is different to the card holders address (trust me, you'd want to use a credit card!)...and I think this is not allowed.

Actually, it IS allowed by Paypal. Paypal lets you store a number of addresses, but at least one of them has to be the same as the billing address. I had stuff shipped to my California address way before changing my card's billing address from my parent's Louisiana address(where I had stuff mailed while my wife was at ASBC). Also, most online ordering systems let you ship to addresses that aren't your billing address.

Excellent, one less thing to worry about then

Delephont wrote:I'm sure alot of UK members would be glad to help out, but how would the whole thing work in terms of payment?

WOuld you guys order it from Oz and select a UK address from a willing party who would then ship it on? That would mean setting up a paypal account where the registered address is different to the card holders address (trust me, you'd want to use a credit card!)...and I think this is not allowed. Also, what would you do about paypal fees?

Even if your UK friends paid for it up front, and you paid them back via paypal, you'd still have to cover the fees, which I think start at 3% (I might be wrong)....even direct bank transfers have fees attached...would this still be cheaper than shopping at home in Oz?

Hmm... 3-8% to PayPal... still leaves us 40% off AUS RRP

I will be subscribing to this thread.


My father used a freight forwarder to get around US shipping restrictions. If we can't jimmy something using a different billing / shipping address, we may need to set up a freight forwarder in the UK and organise bulk shipments.

I'm all for shipping illegal plastic minis to other countries, sign me the hell up!

Makes me feel gangsta.

severedblue wrote:I will be subscribing to this thread.


My father used a freight forwarder to get around US shipping restrictions. If we can't jimmy something using a different billing / shipping address, we may need to set up a freight forwarder in the UK and organise bulk shipments.

Can you please elaborate on what you plan to organise? WIll your father/organisation be doing this or do you plan to simply employ an established Forwader?

To others, if you can recommend a Freight Forwarding service this may very well solve everything.

juraigamer wrote:I'm all for shipping illegal plastic minis to other countries, sign me the hell up!

Makes me feel gangsta.

It will not be illegal, just a solution to GW's ridiculous trading terms with their stockists.

But, if this makes you feel more gangsta, think of it like those who supplied alcohol during prohibition.

AvatarForm wrote:
Can you please elaborate on what you plan to organise? WIll your father/organisation be doing this or do you plan to simply employ an established Forwader?

To others, if you can recommend a Freight Forwarding service this may very well solve everything.

Employing an established freight forwarder. We can share intel here on which one is the most cost effective; let's pool together and do the research. My father is away at the moment for a month but I will ask him when he gets back. He ships in from the US , however, not the UK.

The US setup is a warehouse that accepts delivery with multiple suite numbers. Each suite number doesn't actually exist but it's just part of the shipping address- the suite number corresponds to an address. So I could have 1/400 Warehouse road go to my office , 2 / 400 Warehouse road go to my house, 3 / 400 Warehouse road go to my brother's house etc.




PS: What stops us buying stock from the US?

juraigamer wrote:I'm all for shipping illegal plastic minis to other countries, sign me the hell up!

Makes me feel gangsta.

Not illegal at all. Maelstrom / Wayland can't sell to aus, but they can sell within the EU and we can ship it to Oz using a freight forwarder.

AvatarForm wrote:But, if this makes you feel more gangsta, think of it like those who supplied alcohol during prohibition.

"I'll get you, plastic baron!"
"No you won't!"
"Yes I will."
"D'oh!"

If we do this, we become bootleggers... bootleggers of completely legal products. Weird.

severedblue wrote:
PS: What stops us buying stock from the US?
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If the cost from the USA to AUS works out cheaper, then we can do that. Its just UK offers direct purchasing from UK suppliers at 25% off UK RRP. Unless USA stockists can offer the same, the savings will not mitigate shipping.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:But, if this makes you feel more gangsta, think of it like those who supplied alcohol during prohibition.

"I'll get you, plastic baron!"
"No you won't!"
"Yes I will."
"D'oh!"

If we do this, we become bootleggers... bootleggers of completely legal products. Weird.

But this just makes us more attractive as "dangerous" types...

I live 20 minutes away from the warstore. If needed, I can get most anything from there simply by driving over and picking up any models that would otherwise be shipped.

That is if we need to work an American angle into this.

The country it comes from is only relevant when it comes to shipping charges.

I know that shipping from TheWarStore to Oz is very high - so high in fact that I hardly use them - but I don't kid myself into thinking that we'll get the 'free' option from the UK either.

Hmm... I wonder if you walked into TheWarStore/Maelstrom/whereever and bought the items right there (cash or otherwise), and asked them to be delivered to your address and gave them an international address. Would that work?

severedblue wrote:

Not illegal at all. Maelstrom / Wayland can't sell to aus, but they can sell within the EU and we can ship it to Oz using a freight forwarder.

AvatarForm wrote:

It will not be illegal, just a solution to GW's ridiculous trading terms with their stockists.

But, if this makes you feel more gangsta, think of it like those who supplied alcohol during prohibition.

The act doesn't have to be illegal to make you feel gangsta.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The country it comes from is only relevant when it comes to shipping charges.

I know that shipping from TheWarStore to Oz is very high - so high in fact that I hardly use them - but I don't kid myself into thinking that we'll get the 'free' option from the UK either.

Hmm... I wonder if you walked into TheWarStore/Maelstrom/whereever and bought the items right there (cash or otherwise), and asked them to be delivered to your address and gave them an international address. Would that work?

I can walk into the warstore tomorrow and ask just that.

Or...simply call them as it is a local call and totally free.

Was the embargo slapped on the US internet retailers as well, or just the UK ones?

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Was the embargo slapped on the US internet retailers as well, or just the UK ones?

Either way, would it be cheaper to do it via the US plastic crack line, or the UK one?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The country it comes from is only relevant when it comes to shipping charges.

I know that shipping from TheWarStore to Oz is very high - so high in fact that I hardly use them - but I don't kid myself into thinking that we'll get the 'free' option from the UK either.

Hmm... I wonder if you walked into TheWarStore/Maelstrom/whereever and bought the items right there (cash or otherwise), and asked them to be delivered to your address and gave them an international address. Would that work?

What are the shipping costs from other American retailers? http://www.miniaturemarket.com/home for example?

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I wonder if you walked into TheWarStore/Maelstrom/whereever and bought the items right there (cash or otherwise), and asked them to be delivered to your address and gave them an international address. Would that work?

You know, I think this would work. The only way GW would be able to prove that Maelstrom et al were still shipping to restricted countries would be by looking at their shopping cart options, if there's nothing in the shopping cart options, then theres nothing for GW to latch onto. Surely GW has no right to actually go into the "books" of a retailer to see finer details of the business. There would certainly be a need for Maelstrom etc to ensure the purchaser is not a "spy" for GW, but once that's established i think it would be fine.

In fact, you wouldn't even need to go to the shop directly, I bet, if you simply sent Maelstrom an email, they could arrange a deal where you pay via credit card, and they organise the shipping etc outside of the shopping cart.....there's no way GW could monitor that.

I would suggest someone from Oz contact Wayland or Maelstrom via DakkaDakka, it should be someone well known, like H.B.M.C or even better Waaagh_Gonads, to see what their take on this angle is. I think as long as the Oz rep agrees to be the "channel", as a trusted source, this could be the answer you're looking for.

Maybe we can smuggle sprues inside bags of cocaine?

Joking aside, I'm up for anything that sticks it to GW. After what they did to my beloved Daemonhunters, they deserve nothing less!

Is anyone else having visions of WWII Occupation-era France? Maybe we can rent a blacked out twin-prop plane and fly it over Australia, dumping bags of models out with parachutes.

"This is Teatime to Kangaroo, come in Kangaroo. The package has been dropped, over. Blast, the bloody Purchasing Department devils are inbound, we're going to have to make a run for it. Godspeed, Kangaroo, there's enough Wracks, Necrosphinx boxes and Thunderfire Cannons in there to keep you going until the next drop. Teatime out."

Miraclefish wrote:"This is Teatime to Kangaroo, come in Kangaroo. The package has been dropped, over. Blast, the bloody Purchasing Department devils are inbound, we're going to have to make a run for it. Godspeed, Kangaroo, there's enough Wracks, Necrosphinx boxes and Thunderfire Cannons in there to keep you going until the next drop. Teatime out."

Sig'd

On a relevant note, it might be cheaper just to grab it from somewhere in the US.

Delephont wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I wonder if you walked into TheWarStore/Maelstrom/whereever and bought the items right there (cash or otherwise), and asked them to be delivered to your address and gave them an international address. Would that work?

You know, I think this would work. The only way GW would be able to prove that Maelstrom et al were still shipping to restricted countries would be by looking at their shopping cart options, if there's nothing in the shopping cart options, then theres nothing for GW to latch onto. Surely GW has no right to actually go into the "books" of a retailer to see finer details of the business.

It doubt it would work, for the same reason that they won't just keep selling through their webstore. The potential is still there for them to be caught out by a 'secret shopper'. They don't need to 'go through the books'... they just need to walk in and try to buy something.

There would certainly be a need for Maelstrom etc to ensure the purchaser is not a "spy" for GW, but once that's established i think it would be fine.

I would love to hear suggestions on how to accomplish that, exactly