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 Thargrim wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I know I shouldn't care so much, but I'm having a heck of a time deciding on whether or not I should start a 30k Thousand Sons force or if I should just paint them like regular 40K Thousand Sons because of the lack of clear cut direction on when they changed their colors and emblem. It really bugs me. I can't really afford to buy two separate armies right now, so I have to prioritize one or the other...

They didn't change their armor color until after prospero fell and they were transported into the warp/their newly readied demon world with Magnus. One may also assume perhaps they didn't change their armor color until struck by the rubric of ahriman a little while later (32nd millennium?).

The TS definitely used their original red color scheme until after the fall of prospero. Although at least in the older fluff I think they were already rubric marines at the siege of Terra. They might have changed colours already then.

Requizen wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

The whole deal with SoS only being in unbound armies has really killed it.

I had offered to buy about 20 of em from people but now, well, I'm in a bind. I don't know if I need them if I can't play them at most organised events.

If you like the models, then get them. Not every game is a tournament - Unbound is not an issue if you talk to your opponent beforehand, especially for something as tame as a few units of Sisters.

And on top of that, I would expect Sisters and Custodes to get ways to be used in the not too distant future. It happened for all the models in Betrayal at Calth, it happened for Deathwatch/Genestealers, etc. The box like just came out, have patience.

That's probably good advice, except the bit about tournaments. (which is still good advice, but not for me specifically...)

My group and I almost exclusively play tournaments. As dads with kids only getting one day out a week, tournaments are a great way to squeeze lots of games in a short amount of time.

I tried to resist it. I swear, I did, I just wanted the blasted thing for my week off in December, but my local drug dealer just knows how to push my buttons. Gods, this box is so freakin' sexy, the sprues, the board tiles, YUMMY.

Now, to gather the Iron Warrior shoulder pads. Well played GW, well played <3

Seen the sprues live today. I'm really impressed with the game boards - they look amazing and are pretty useable for other RPG games.
Everything else is just, well, marines

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
On topic: How many people are buying it for starting a 30k army? How many folks are combining it with Betrayal at Calth for that end?

I finally broke down and ordered BaC and BoP.

Not interested in the boardgames.

The Marines will be used to start a dual purpose Dark Angels 30k/ Consecrators 40k army if, Emperor forbid, I don't like the look of plastic Sisters.

Not sure what I will do with Wolf face and Ahri' . Might convert and paint up for mates as Xmas presents.

 godswildcard wrote:
I know I shouldn't care so much, but I'm having a heck of a time deciding on whether or not I should start a 30k Thousand Sons force or if I should just paint them like regular 40K Thousand Sons because of the lack of clear cut direction on when they changed their colors and emblem. It really bugs me. I can't really afford to buy two separate armies right now, so I have to prioritize one or the other...

In the same boat... and have pretty much decided to go with blue for both 30K and 40K Thousand Sons, regardless of emblems.

I thought only Arhiman's rubric marines were blue and the ones loyal to Magnus were still red.
I need to read some more Thousand sons background, I guess.

 godardc wrote:
I thought only Arhiman's rubric marines were blue and the ones loyal to Magnus were still red.
I need to read some more Thousand sons background, I guess.

Hmm, not too sure. However after prospero the thousand sons were fewer in number. And i'd think after all these years the remaining thousand sons with physical forms would have warped beyond recognition. Is there an explanation as to why ahriman and the higher ups aren't affected? Regardless I always had the impression all remaining regular marines were turned into rubric ones aside from ahrimans cabal.

 Thargrim wrote:

 godardc wrote:
I thought only Arhiman's rubric marines were blue and the ones loyal to Magnus were still red.
I need to read some more Thousand sons background, I guess.

Hmm, not too sure. However after prospero the thousand sons were fewer in number. And i'd think after all these years the remaining thousand sons with physical forms would have warped beyond recognition. Is there an explanation as to why ahriman and the higher ups aren't affected? Regardless I always had the impression all remaining regular marines were turned into rubric ones aside from ahrimans cabal.

When Ahriman cast his rubric, any ksons that had no psychic abilities became rubric Marines, the rest were restored to no mutations, protected from mutation and became powerful sorcerers that could control the rubric Marines.

As someone who only has passing 30k knowledge, what would come after Calth and Prospero as far as well-known HH battles/potential boxed games?

 privateer4hire wrote:
As someone who only has passing 30k knowledge, what would come after Calth and Prospero as far as well-known HH battles/potential boxed games?

The Iron Cage, with Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists.

That would be a lot of fun.

That happened after the Heresy though.

The Battle at Phall however... sweet, sweet void-based combat.


Another event that could work is the Thramas Crusade (DA vs Night Lords).
Most of the other events that come to my mind featured multiple legions against each other or feature UM/WB/SW again (Shadow Crusade, Battle of the Furious Abyss, 2nd Battle of Propero), though I suppose if GW wanted to they could do a Drop Site Massacre or Istvaan III themed box with each unit being of a different legion.

 godswildcard wrote:
I know I shouldn't care so much, but I'm having a heck of a time deciding on whether or not I should start a 30k Thousand Sons force or if I should just paint them like regular 40K Thousand Sons because of the lack of clear cut direction on when they changed their colors and emblem. It really bugs me. I can't really afford to buy two separate armies right now, so I have to prioritize one or the other...

I thought they changed their colors after the battle of Prospero, when Magnus embraced Tzeentch. They certainly had blue and gold armor by the Battle of the Fang, a thousand years later.


Depending on how the T-Sons plastics look, I'll either make Tzeentchian Thousand Sons or Dornian Heresy-inspired Loyal Sons (The Loyal Thousand?). Either way, I'm going to have to raid my Tomb Kings box.

"My Sons, we shall embrace Tzeentch and wage war on the false Emperor! BUT FIRST we must painstakingly repaint every last scrap of armour and equipment BLUE!"

"Wait, what?"

"GET ON WITH IT! Nobody fights til everybody is painted."

"Jeez, calm yourself, keep your scarab on. This is gonna take like a thousand years. Imhotep, pass the Nuln Oil when you're done..."

Got my box Today and have to say it is a great set.Now do i get another one .

Now that people seem to be getting their boxes could some of you perhaps take some size comparison pictures?

Ideally I'd like to see a Cadian and Deathwatch marine next to the models from the Prospero box, but anything would be nice.

At one time, the actual Rubric, as it was cast, was described in terms that one may have inferred to change the colors of the TS, with blue and gold lightning striking the marines on the planet of sorcerers, but current fluff from the Ahriman books has them still in red until Ahriman takes control of Amon's warband, when he uses the sorcerous link that he, as the prime caster of the Rubric, has with all of the Thousand Sons, to burn away their red colors with magical fire and recolor their armor blue.

What's not fully known, as far as I am aware, is whether the Magnus loyalists and Rubric Marines on the planet of Sorcerers were affected by that, or if Ahriman was just recoloring his new warband and didn't extend that spell past them.

Blue TS at the Battle of the Fang implies that he did recolor all of the legion, but let's face it, GW and retcon go together like Oreos and milk, so maybe there's some portion of TS out there still in red, whether it's those on the Planet of Sorcerers with Magnus or not.

Looks like they have added detachments to the Custodes and SoS rules pdf.

Now useable outside of unbound.

shade1313 wrote:
At one time, the actual Rubric, as it was cast, was described in terms that one may have inferred to change the colors of the TS, with blue and gold lightning striking the marines on the planet of sorcerers, but current fluff from the Ahriman books has them still in red until Ahriman takes control of Amon's warband, when he uses the sorcerous link that he, as the prime caster of the Rubric, has with all of the Thousand Sons, to burn away their red colors with magical fire and recolor their armor blue.

What's not fully known, as far as I am aware, is whether the Magnus loyalists and Rubric Marines on the planet of Sorcerers were affected by that, or if Ahriman was just recoloring his new warband and didn't extend that spell past them.

Blue TS at the Battle of the Fang implies that he did recolor all of the legion, but let's face it, GW and retcon go together like Oreos and milk, so maybe there's some portion of TS out there still in red, whether it's those on the Planet of Sorcerers with Magnus or not.

I like this. He waved his magical wand and changed their armor because COLORS.

I always thought that was funny, like imagining Angron after he rejoined the World Eaters deciding what colors he wanted his warrior's armor to be. Grimdark genetically modified super soldiers deciding color schemes.

Loopstah wrote:
Looks like they have added detachments to the Custodes and SoS rules pdf.

Now useable outside of unbound.

So they have! Nice.

Pretty decent formation benefits too.

 Crimson wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Looks like they have added detachments to the Custodes and SoS rules pdf.

Now useable outside of unbound.

So they have! Nice.

Pretty decent formation benefits too.

Good catch! I had to let my group know, because we had a poll going around about whether we were going to let them be taken as a separate attachment in an upcoming tournament but this effectively settles the issue.

GW now has Sisters & Custodes formations!

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf

1-3 units per formation. Extra Sisters reduce the Warp Charge pool; extra Custodes gain ++ save!

That must be a record - less than two days between someone praising GW for puting the integrity of the IP above short-termist sales tactics, and GW reverting to type

What?

That must be a record - GW responding to overwhelming feedback within two days giving people exactly what they wanted, and Yodhrin finding a way to complain about it anyway!

In any case, I'm now looking longingly at several squads of these guys and girls - if only it weren't Christmas soon...

Well, hot damn! From their Warhammer TV facebook page

On one hand, I'm sad and a little upset they backpedaled just due to public outcry. Lorewise, you shouldn't see these models on the table in 40k.


On the other hand, I might just buy 30 Custodes. So...

 Yodhrin wrote:
That must be a record - less than two days between someone praising GW for puting the integrity of the IP above short-termist sales tactics, and GW reverting to type

This is arguably a reasonable accommodation.

Requizen wrote:
On one hand, I'm sad and a little upset they backpedaled just due to public outcry. Lorewise, you shouldn't see these models on the table in 40k.

It's not a case of them "backpedaling" about their inclusion. The models were still going to be getting 40k rules either way, the only thing is now that it won't be just Unbound...

Which I'm kind of irked about but hey...those Sisters of Silence are looking mighty fine to make an appearance in my Guard.

Also? We don't actually know for sure that there are lore reasons anymore. The Sisters of Silence made an appearance in "The Beast Arises" towards the end, and while not 40k proper...this was the first confirmation we had that they definitely survived the Heresy.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That happened after the Heresy though.

The Battle at Phall however... sweet, sweet void-based combat.


Another event that could work is the Thramas Crusade (DA vs Night Lords).
Most of the other events that come to my mind featured multiple legions against each other or feature UM/WB/SW again (Shadow Crusade, Battle of the Furious Abyss, 2nd Battle of Propero), though I suppose if GW wanted to they could do a Drop Site Massacre or Istvaan III themed box with each unit being of a different legion.

The last MK is II though. So they'd most likely base it around the legions that would be likely to still be using that set, or look good in it. By that measure, the remaining loyalists which would qualify are Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Salamanders & Imperial Fists, and their counterparts would be Iron Warriors, Death Guard or World Eaters.

The question is, what other kits would be made into plastic at the same time? We've had the two generic marks of termie armour and the contemptor. Since they'd be keeping it small (I doubt we'll suddenly see superheavies in plastic), the logical choices would be the Scimitar Jetbikes, the Javelin speeders, the Outrider bikes, a jetpack unit of some kind, a breacher unit of some kind, or a rapier battery. I'd be inclined to bet on the Rapier, because there's a lot of variants they could squeeze onto one sprue, and it'll double up with the Solar Auxilia.