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Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

I'm not a fan of the obvious fangs on the Terminator Captain, I hope they don't head further down the twilight route with the fluff.

There will be a BA paint set that includes a glitter dispenser to make your vampi-- I mean, Blood Angels sparkle....with the fury of the Emperor!

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

Eldercaveman wrote:
I'm not a fan of the obvious fangs on the Terminator Captain, I hope they don't head further down the twilight route with the fluff.

They've had fangs and been pseudo-vampires since 1996.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

I, uh got that. I was making a joke.

 Accolade wrote:
There will be a BA paint set that includes a glitter dispenser to make your vampi-- I mean, Blood Angels sparkle....with the fury of the Emperor!

So when we have a Space Wolf vs Blood Angels we can have Detachment Jacob vs Detachment Edward.

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

I don't see a reason either. I just hope the characters are useful in game, and that we see some plastic resculpts of one/more of the older models.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

Not familiar with BA that much. So it was actually C:SM who changed to match BA in that case? I'm just asking because the Grey Knight Grand Master remained at 3 for both stats.

 sockwithaticket wrote:


I don't want him to have MOAR generic bling, I want him to have unique, impressive bling that also denotes his status as a commander. Look at the old metal/finecast Terminator Captain and the halo-ed skull eagle on his right leg, that is a good piece of bling that also serves to show his rank. Something like that plus a few ornate things incorporating blood drops would be grand. The Chainfist Space Hulk Terminator has an Iron Halo with blood drops in it and a skull badge with halo on the chest, those are also the sort of unique details that would have been cool rather than a whole bunch of purity seals and a plethora of small blood drops and chalices.

Fair enough, you don't like it but I think he looks fine. Detail wise I can see an Iron Halo on his head with a chalice and blood drop on it, a winged hammer with a blood drop on it, a blood drop on his chest for his Aquila, a blood drop hanging from his wait, chains around his wait and torso, a scope on his bolter, 2 blood drops on his lower left leg, bionics on his face, a shoulder shield plate with a blood drop on it, whatever that thing is that's hanging from his left wrist as well as the cape and dressings from the front. Seems to be fine for detail for me, but I know others may have different standards. Certainly a lot of blood drops, however I like blood drops.

So by your logic, every time GW throw us a bone we should snap it up in case they think it's not worth supporting the army anymore? How about, no? If they do something worthwhile I'll buy it, if not I won't, it's too pricy a hobby to do otherwise.

Absolutely, but others are going to like it. If you're not buying then that's OK for me. means It will be easier for me to pre-order a copy on Friday night.

The other thing is the BA half of the boxed set isn't very appealing to a lot of existing players. Who doesn't have Death Company? A Death Company Dreadnought/Furioso? Plus both those units have in game limitations on how many you can have (as well as being over-costed in terms of points) so unless you're running a DC army you can legitimately have too many. Tactical Terminators are a poor choice in the current meta and most people already have some; a great many of those have the wonderful Space Hulk ones.

The models will be the full kits, so you could make any dreadnought and a Blood Angels player can never have too many Death Company. That's like saying that an imperial guard player has too many Leman Russ Tanks. Also we are getting a new codex so perhaps the limitation will be removed. The Tactical terminators just seem to be a standard choice whenever they release kits (i.e DV) for some reason. I actually only own 5 Tactical Terminators of the 40mm base variety and I've been playing since 3rd edition. That's mainly because I invested in Descent of Angels jump packs and also mech hevey lists in 5th ed and before that it was all about Chappie with Death Company for me.

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own them, then the exclusive figure needs to be great to justify the expense.
If the exclusive model is mediocre then the box contents need to be very useful/something people don't already have a lot of to justify the expense.

It's going to be different for different people. I understand that this release doesn't float your boat and it's not worth your time and money to get it but it's fine for others. I'll be happy with it, since I want the new Captain Model, the Blood Angels rule book, the Dreadnought, even though I own a few already and I'm sure I can kit out the death company with different weapon load outs too give me some variety.

For me and a lot of others, apparently, this set fails to achieve either condition.

It's always a bit like that when a new kit comes out though. The loudest voices are usually the ones who don't like a particular release. Those that are pleased just tend to keep quiet about it. That's what I was doing but I thought I would chip in just to mention that the new codex may remove limitations on the death company. It just turned into a bigger conversation in the long run.

 Deadshot wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

Not familiar with BA that much. So it was actually C:SM who changed to match BA in that case? I'm just asking because the Grey Knight Grand Master remained at 3 for both stats.

I have no idea. And its ok. I was just informing you =)

Also i kinda like the fangs. Everyone immediately thinks twilight when they think of vampires. I think about Interview With a Vampire, or underworld. I dig the very subtle fangs.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
DC and DC dread are solid choices, unless you've already got both in sufficient numbers that you don't need any more. Simply painting them the colour of your regular troops isn't an approach everyone likes to take. The Xs on a lot of the gear are just too Death Company to blend in well with other units.

Funnily enough I actually used the Death Company box set to make my Sternguard and Vanguard Vets. I decided this because I wanted my vets to show some indication that they were Blood Angels marines. I bought some bolters from Forge World as well in order to give to the Sternguard.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

to be fair the DA codex came out before C:SM. It could have just have been a case that the idea for grav weapons came afterwards.

More pictures from next White Dwarf









Source: http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/white-dwarf-44-nuevas-imagenes-indice-y.html

Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

His armour looks pretty bog standard for such a high ranking commander within the Blood Angels....

Only difference is the things he is wearing on top of it. You would think it would have some sort of artifice or customization present.

There are some rules about blood angels wargear in one of those pictures, but the resolution isnt high enough to make them out. Anyone get a clearer look?

 Anpu42 wrote:

So when we have a Space Wolf vs Blood Angels we can have Detachment Jacob vs Detachment Edward.

You may want to update your jokebook. It hasn't been 2006 for 8 years.

I Believe it said strike force detachment

 Kanluwen wrote:
Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

Would you stop trying to point out patterns where there are none. GW doesn't follow a logical line, and constantly changes the way they do things mid-edition, sometimes several times.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I don't know where you got the idea that the lack of bling was the problem. I agree with you the Blood Angels need toning down when it comes to the 'dangly bits' (which is why I left the wings off my Sanguinary Guard and removed hanging blood drops and chalices from my Death Company) but the consensus is that the model is a) too close to yet not as cool as Lorenzo who we saw originally back in 2009 and has just been re-released, and b) is sporting a rather goofy and awkward pose.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

I'm not sure of your logic here. Yes we've been eager for some attention just as all hobbyists are when they feel a release for their army is drawing near. Doesn't mean we should be automatically delighted by whatever is put out. The only new BA bit about this is the captain (and the fluff in the campaign book). If the captain didn't look like a poor man's Lorenzo I'm sure we'd all be clamoring over it, but so soon after we saw the Space Hulk re-release the design team really needed to come up with something different to capture the imagination. The same but worse just doesn't cut it.


Just for context (and disregard the fangs, if you will)...

 theharrower wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is the broodlord base round or oval? I think it looks round but a lot of people keep claiming its on an oval base.

Definitely oval.

Is it oval, or does it look that way with the curve of the page?

 Desubot wrote:
Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

And still looks like he's choreographing 'Dance Steps for Terminators'

 LutherMax wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

And still looks like he's choreographing 'Dance Steps for Terminators'

Obviously he's using Attack Plan Starlord, inspired by an old Terran legend about some guardians of the galaxy...

Sorry for the OT, but on looking at the new releases, has anyone noticed that they're selling Hobbit stuff which, in order to get the whole set, one would have to spend £118 to get 14 ordinary 28mm scale models (and small ones at that, being all dwarfs except one hobbit?)

Not sure about that Captain mini. I mean, it's not bad but as a BA Captain I imagined the armor being gold and super ornate. Dante's armor is gold. Tycho's armor is gold. Old RT captain figs have been painted up with gold. So why no gold for this guy?

ON DEADLY WINGS THEY COME !!!!!

Blood Angels perhaps ?

Sounds like the Codex: BA release

It undoubtedly is a reference to the BA. Hopefully a new model is revealed. Possibly one with wings. Come on BA counterpart to the Stormtalon!