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I dunno, maybe i'm being too positive for this, but i'm sure they've got it all covered...

I mean this time around they've only got a few "massive" models compared to Tgg1... And maybe they've financially planned better? lol

Yea you are probably right, i just like to panic !

Nothing in the first campaign was as huge as that Altar of Whatever.

Plastic moulds are an investment, right. But look at Dreamforge. They went in with less than half the funds, were later than RH by only a little margin and got troops affordable and really, really poseable. Mould cost has gone down too, if you know how to splice your parts and don't need fancy slide-core moulds.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Nothing in the first campaign was as huge as that Altar of Whatever.

Plastic moulds are an investment, right. But look at Dreamforge. They went in with less than half the funds, were later than RH by only a little margin and got troops affordable and really, really poseable. Mould cost has gone down too, if you know how to splice your parts and don't need fancy slide-core moulds.

Yeah, i don't know enough about moulding to do anything but agree there.... I also did not follow the Dreamforge KS.
Maybe this is a France V USA thing? (mould costs, etc) Although most production is in china for both?

If we're comparing the two, the DFG models look terrible when stacked up to RH. I'm not sure if it's an issue of medium, or just sculpting though.

 Jimsolo wrote:
If we're comparing the two, the DFG models look terrible when stacked up to RH. I'm not sure if it's an issue of medium, or just sculpting though.

I'd also agree with that ! I think the RH sculpts are very very nice, but i do also think that plastics could have been an option. I vaguely remember them covering "Why" in an update, with costing and detail being the main factors, with a focus on good details (which we know plastic might not always provide).

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Nothing in the first campaign was as huge as that Altar of Whatever.

Plastic moulds are an investment, right. But look at Dreamforge. They went in with less than half the funds, were later than RH by only a little margin and got troops affordable and really, really poseable. Mould cost has gone down too, if you know how to splice your parts and don't need fancy slide-core moulds.

Yeah, i don't know enough about moulding to do anything but agree there.... I also did not follow the Dreamforge KS.
Maybe this is a France V USA thing? (mould costs, etc) Although most production is in china for both?

while Dreamforge is a US company who's moulds & production were done in China

Raging Heroes are a French company who's moulds & production (I believe) are done in the US

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
while Dreamforge is a US company who's moulds & production were done in China

Raging Heroes are a French company who's moulds & production (I believe) are done in the US

Oh wow, that might explain A LOT

For Dreamforge, the KS money did not actually cover the cost of the molds. Wargames Factory footed the bill for much of it, because they wanted a solid sci-fi line of minis in their catalog.

 Jimsolo wrote:
If we're comparing the two, the DFG models look terrible when stacked up to RH. I'm not sure if it's an issue of medium, or just sculpting though.

Again, I think that's an issue of taste. I find the Rh troops to be very close to garbage. The bubbles are everywhere. Some gates are placed right in the middle of details. The running poses are ridiculous. Most of the legs are super-akimbo. If you get just the right angle, they can look fantastic, but re-positioning them on the tab for them not to run at an angle that defies gravity... it's just a lof of work. Plastic is just a known quantity. You know it reacts when you work it. Gluing is consistent. If I am going to have an army that is infantry heavy, I'd much rather have multipose minis. For all I know, I got a specific joke shipment. The heroines are top notch. In metal at least.

I'll repeat, though, different strokes and all.

I ought to do a side by side photoshoot, thanks for the idea.

So, just got my freebie models, and they are awesome, but the undercoat will not stick at all despite having washed in soapy water!! I have used army painter base spray on undercoats. Any ideas??

barnacle111 wrote:
So, just got my freebie models, and they are awesome, but the undercoat will not stick at all despite having washed in soapy water!! I have used army painter base spray on undercoats. Any ideas??

Are you using dishwashing detergent (like Dawn), not "soap"? I did notice that the surfaces of the freebies do seem to be quite slick, but have not tried to paint one.

T

I've been using dish washing liquid... Any thoughts?

That's always worked for me (with maybe the odd scrub with a toothbrush is the mini feels really slick)

another option is to do a quick wash in undiluted Dettol or Pine-Sol (one of those disinfectants that goes white and cloudy when you add water) it does make thing smell, but is a good cleaner of last resort for mould release...,

then rise in more fresh Dettol (more a recommendation when paint stripping as if you add water right away the old paint can form a sticky mess, but probably good practice), finally wash in water

I've had to use it occasionally for some 80's scale model kits from eastern Europe that used to have really bad and hard to shift mould release on

barnacle111 wrote:
I've been using dish washing liquid... Any thoughts?

Dish washing liquid can be soap or detergent. Is it a detergent, which is stronger than soap?

T

I would use concentrated Simple Green. Doesn't make resin brittle or dissolve your skin like Pine-Sol or other such things can, but generally takes off just about anything.

Ive seen and heard of other examples where army painter will not stick to resin. My Friend used autobody primer and it worked fine though.

Just primed mine with my usual krylon. No problems.

Army Painter isn't exactly a reliable primer in my experience, it's always a not so fun game of primer roulette finding out if your can is crap or not.

I re washed the minis in the same dish washing liquid and scrubbed with a toothbrush. No problems after that! Just needed more elbow grease. On another note, I've never had any problems with army painter primers. I used to use half odds when I lived in the uk, but have struggled to find any acrylic spray primers in australia....

I have fond memories of a battletech mech comapny I utterly lost to Army Painter primer. The stuff came out as thick and foamy. It was a disaster.

I use autobody primers as well, when I don't airbrush on primer. Those bad boys stick, and often have a shrinking feature that makes them a little more forgiving when you put on too much.

I am pretty anti-Army Painter after some bad experiences 4-5 years ago with their dark flesh "primer" that was super glossy and had no tooth to hold on more paint. Their white was ok as a light top coat, and their bone was passable, though still glossier than I like.

I'm another fan of auto primer. Rustoleum by preference.

Yeah I'm an auto primer person as well, for several reasons:

1. I can get a can from the local hardware for like $4 a can, and get White/Grey/Black

2. The tooth is fantastic. It takes a few quick sprays to get enough paint without hiding any details. It can take at least 2 coats of base coat before I'm willing to put the natural fiber brushes to the mini, but there's never a loss of detail.

3. It dries in the cold. I'm able to prime inside the garage with it being roughly 30 degrees fahrenheit without any problems. I do keep the can warm and the mini warm before spraying, but it lets me prime in the winter.

I live in southern Illinois, and it's the only paint that can reliably handle our humidity.

Awfully silent in this thread, Do they have a long vacation?

You know it!

Don't look at me, I'm not receiving any updates when they happen.

I think that we are mostly waiting by this point.....

In a year's time the thread will be back up and alive when the delays get announced =P

It hasn't been a month since the last update. Anyone hoping that they would see the light, come out of the darkness and communicate more frequently was deluding themselves.

Ok, now that the horrible puns are out of the way, they were looking to hire a comms person. It did take them three weeks to issue me an invoice and send me my missing stuff from KS1. It's just the way they roll.

Which doesn't mean I like it in the slightest. But, as they say, Sho ga nai.