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 -Loki- wrote:
Also, one of my examples was a link team model. The Muyib leaning on her Spitfire. There's another in that link team set - the 'casually walking away from an explosion cool guy' posed Muyib with DEP.

It really is a common thing in Infinity, and it's not going to change. CB love it.

Until recently, PanO range has been rather free of such poses (silly dancing knights aside). Point me to the appropriate older model, if you know one. I don't think there were any that could compare to Al'Hawwa or Djanbazan. ORC/Aquila with HMG might be the closest.

 Kanluwen wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:
So if he was better out of a link team, the pose would be less of a problem...?

He makes a valid point.

Fireteams are an instance where it would have been best to give the entire unit a flowing, unified look. The models could be done in such a way that it is a very nice and dynamic look, almost creating a diorama for you with no effort.

The best example of that, in my opinion, is the Nomad Wildcats. When you take the models individually? They are nothing really special. There's two guys pointing rifles, a woman with her rifle at her side and her arms held low, a guy with the Spitfire in a strange "legs braced and one angry hand at his side" pose, and then the woman with the HRL and the "Gotcha!" pose.
But when you mount them on a diorama base with a shuttle preparing to lift off with the riflemen behind some rubble, the more "relaxed" Wildcat rifle lady and the Wildcat HRL lady in a bit of rubble further back, and the Spitfire guy's "angry hand" banging against the rear door of the shuttle?
Suddenly you have a story. It is not hard to envision a team of Wildcats that are covering an evacuation of a valuable piece of technology/cargo/personnel and preparing to sell their lives dearly.

That is how it should be done when sculpting models that can be linked.

Yeah but I don't get how this guy being in a relaxed pose prohibits that. He still aesthetically fits in with the rest, he could be the relaxed guy further back.

I know it's not a box, and they might get redone, but the 5 extant Acon Regulars seem odd to me. 4 of them are running forward, clearly scurrying through the jungle. The 5th (sniper) is lying down in his foxhole.

I kind of envisage the 4 running regulars just running in circles behind the sniper whilst he lines up his shot.

ImAGeek wrote:

Yeah but I don't get how this guy being in a relaxed pose prohibits that. He still aesthetically fits in with the rest, he could be the relaxed guy further back.

Look at the rest of the Fusiliers. I've also added in the two females from the box, which are the sniper and HMG.



Even "the relaxed guy further back" should at least have his weapon shouldered or readied in some way to really "fit". Heck he could have been running with the launcher being held by its carrying handle ala the Minuteman for Ariadna.
As it is though they gave him such a bored, relaxed pose that it is as visually jarring as the Angus the Fusilier model was. It just seems to be an excuse to use the Angus 3D master rather than a new sculpt.
As well the two females really throw the balance of the squad off even more with both of them standing on the same crate and being in the same pose.

If they had done the Fusiliers in the Icestorm box in a more relaxed,almost patrolling pose? I don't think we would be having this discussion.

I agree with Kan

@ ImAgeek

Yes, it does make a difference to me in the way Kan aptly explains. Still not to my liking but better then being part of a group and sticking out like a sore thumb.

@ Loki

I was well aware of the strike a pose thingy, thank you. ;-) "If you're only just now seeing a model in a cliche 'strike a pose' stance and dislike it, you haven't looked very hard." As I wrote this is the first time I am effected and thus the first time I really have reason to complain.

You missed my point though. The ´strike a pose thingy` is one thing, having no relation to your weapon at all is another. So your examples are good ones.

"Also, one of my examples was a link team model. The Muyib leaning on her Spitfire. There's another in that link team set - the 'casually walking away from an explosion cool guy' posed Muyib with DEP."

This is not true though:

"It really is a common thing in Infinity, ..."

Luckily it isn´t so far and I hope it won´t be. Aside from the examples you and I stated there are none that I found. Well, probably the Yaogat with sniperrifle falls in the category, too. Ymmv. All other ´strike a pose` models either handle their gun in a way that is not complete bollocks or at least have non in the first place imho (I prefer my models with weapons though). None luckily has the decidedly ´I am bored` stance of the Missellauncher Fusilier.

Is this the end of the world? No. Will I get the box? Pretty certain. Will I need to convert the misslelauncher guy for extra money I´d like to spend elsewhere? Absolutely.

Heck he could have been TRIPPING with the launcher being held by its carrying handle ala the Minuteman for Ariadna.

Fixed that for you.

i really like the new missile launcher pose...
it is the first Fusilier i've actually contemplated buying...
i much prefer this pose to the stumbling Minuteman...

of course, i'm just a painter, so i look at each mini as an individual, and don't care about link teams...
for me, this is a cool pose...
then again, i like the "hero with a foot on rock, box, rubble, whatever" kind of poses, too...
CB pushes my "that would be fun to paint" button with a lot of the individual poses...

cheers
jah

Nothing wrong with that, everybody has their own focus. Cool that you like it. :-) Technically I think the model is excellent.

 Riquende wrote:
Hope it doesn't accidentally go off whilst he's leaning on it.

I do.

This pose is punishment for all the complaints about the female fusilier in the starter (Icestorm)

Did anyone make a video of Interruptor's presentation last night? It looks like he had no projector screen from some of the photos. I hope they get him one for the Sunday presentation.

It's why we have friend or foe identification system.

That fusilier with ML is the best figure of all that was shown at NOVA.

mmmh rocket jump ? Anyone ?

New Sogart with HMG

Now he looks awesome. Love how they kept his huge axe.

Not that he really needed a new figure or anything. Aside from having the older style HMG and the smaller base, the existing one was just fine. Guess I'll have to grab that one as well though.

The Sogarat from the Starter Pack is one of the most spectacular miniatures from the last12 months.
I can understand perfectly they want to use the new 3D sculpt to replace the old HMG model.
Apart from the different coherent scheme, base size, different design of the HMG... this thing looks like a fething winner.

I guess that CB is trying to have the whole Morat range re-sculpted and coherent for N3. This is like "getting ready for that close up, MrDeMille." The Infinity range must reach perfect looks for the whole wave of new players willing to begin with this game next year.

Posted by "Bloodgod" on the Official Infinity forums:

Gutier told us last night in a relatively informal "seminar" that was mostly Q&A that the Sygmaa are part of the EI sectorial. They will also have a different tech base than the Tohaa - no Symbiont Armor (for, now, since that's a Paradiso rule), yes for multi weapons (since they are armed by the EI), etc.

That's interesting, thanks for the info. Tohaa with no symbiont armor will need something special to balance them out, for sure.

Also, posted by Todd on the Official Infinity forums:

There were some corrections to a couple N3 weapon profiles previewed at Gencon, but I don't recall which off the top of my head (very minor range band tweaks). Also, Breaker ammunition basically works like AP, only vs. BTS.

The discussion of the introduction of "game states" was particular interesting.

The Sygmaa (basically "traitor" in Tohaa) fluff is fantastic. There's way more depth to it than "evil Tohaa." Imagine being told you have fight the EI no matter the cost, because they'll sepsitorize you, and basically destroy your way of life. Then,your world falls to them, and you find out that not much changes, and your family and friends have died for nothing. Less "bad Tohaa", and more "bitter, betrayed, and angry Tohaa."

It was later clarified that "game states" are things like Unconscious, Immobilized, etc. More well-defined rules for those are apparently coming.

See, I knew that the EI wasn't entirely evil. It's just that Aleph propaganda. Really makes me wonder what'll happen if the EI takes over some human planets. Maybe someday we'll see non mutated humans working willingly with the CA.

To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

Well, according to the Exrah's fluff, there's a fully functional society complete with industry and stock market in EI controlled territory.

 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

I'm sorry, you think microtraded markets full of unreliable abstractions like derivatives are a sign of -advanced- civilization? Dude, no.

 Savnock wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

I'm sorry, you think microtraded markets full of unreliable abstractions like derivatives are a sign of -advanced- civilization? Dude, no.

Wut?

 Reeniee wrote:

 Savnock wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

I'm sorry, you think microtraded markets full of unreliable abstractions like derivatives are a sign of -advanced- civilization? Dude, no.

Wut?

Absolutionis was making a joke the CA making themselves look like a better proposition for the Human Sphere by fixing the stock markets than by sepsitorising Ko Dali, Savnock didn't realise this and pointed out that it's unlikely the Human Sphere will be using this form of barter-trade system 200 years in the future...

Haven't seen this about new retreat rules:

Retreat rule. New threshold is 75%. At the beginning of your turn if you're in retreat everyone goes irregular. However, each miniature must make a WIP roll, if failed they cannot shoot, CC, etc etc etc. They can only move, and move towards your table edge or laterally. Models with Courage, Remote Presence, Religious, and/or Veteran Skills are immune to this WIP check (new information).

Morat rule == veteran + religious

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 Pacific wrote:

 Reeniee wrote:

 Savnock wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

I'm sorry, you think microtraded markets full of unreliable abstractions like derivatives are a sign of -advanced- civilization? Dude, no.

Wut?

Absolutionis was making a joke the CA making themselves look like a better proposition for the Human Sphere by fixing the stock markets than by sepsitorising Ko Dali, Savnock didn't realise this and pointed out that it's unlikely the Human Sphere will be using this form of barter-trade system 200 years in the future...

Not at all. It was a reply to Barzam regarding the EI vs Aleph.

The EI sepsitored Ko Dali and posted this propaganda:

It's a bit of propaganda that doesn't make me want to voluntarily join.

Aleph is the one that makes the traffic and stock markets work. Seems like a more likable cyberdude.

 Pacific wrote:

 Reeniee wrote:

 Savnock wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
To be fair, the Sepsitored Ko Dali being advertised as "your failure" isn't exactly the best EI propaganda either. I'd rather side with the faction that makes stock markets work.

I'm sorry, you think microtraded markets full of unreliable abstractions like derivatives are a sign of -advanced- civilization? Dude, no.

Wut?

Absolutionis was making a joke the CA making themselves look like a better proposition for the Human Sphere by fixing the stock markets than by sepsitorising Ko Dali, Savnock didn't realise this and pointed out that it's unlikely the Human Sphere will be using this form of barter-trade system 200 years in the future...

Damnit, hoisted on me own petard!

Also, that Retreat rule looks way more interesting. to play out. Nice!

 Knight wrote:
Haven't seen this about new retreat rules:

Retreat rule. New threshold is 75%. At the beginning of your turn if you're in retreat everyone goes irregular. However, each miniature must make a WIP roll, if failed they cannot shoot, CC, etc etc etc. They can only move, and move towards your table edge or laterally. Models with Courage, Remote Presence, Religious, and/or Veteran Skills are immune to this WIP check (new information).

These immunities are pretty much more than half the unit profiles in the entire game. And the retreating to table edge is voluntary? The Retreat condition may not even happen with a passed WIP test?

What is really the point of Retreat anyways at this point? It seemed like an easy way to hurry up the game in v2. Now it just seems like with the new Retreat rule and the LoL no longer putting you down to 2 orders, games will get bogged down at worst and Retreat won't matter at best.

I may be overreacting, but the new Retreat rule seems ungraceful and shoehorned in just because v2 had it.

Think Veteran is going to lose NWI (and even SSL2)?

I'm thinking on courage (clashes a bit with religious) and something, something, we'll see.

New ITS should bring more clarity regarding new retreat rules.