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Oshova wrote:Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Oshova

I'm guessing you mean buggies? The trukks out right now are gorgeous.

Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

Otherwise...

..there's talk, which sounds plausible enough to me, of a "new" (or recut I guess) Leman Russ kit and another Guard kit which may well be artillery of some form or other. Personally I'm hoping for a Manticore as I have designs on using 3 of the buggers in a traitor guard list I'm sort of working on.

Some info from BramGaunt on Warseer about the new kits released with Spearhead:

BramGaunt wrote:Imperial Guard Leman Russ Battle tank - price as the new demolisher
Imperial Guard Manticore/Death Strike Missile - same price as above
Eldar Fire Prism - same price as above.
There is no recut predator so far, no thunderwolves, no new orc buggies, no storm raven, no Dark Eldar stuff at all. I'll keep my eyes open, though.

He's guessing that the Leman Russ kit has all the missing variants included aswell, and that the Manticore/DSM kit has the Hydra's autocannons also included in the kit. Time will tell if this is indeed the case. I certainly hope so.

Deadshane1 wrote:"Spearhead is a new way to play Warhammer 40,000......"

I ask the same question that I ask with all of these releases, "Whats wrong with the old way?"

Optional variety keeps everything fresh.

reds8n wrote:Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

Otherwise...

..there's talk, which sounds plausible enough to me, of a "new" (or recut I guess) Leman Russ kit and another Guard kit which may well be artillery of some form or other. Personally I'm hoping for a Manticore as I have designs on using 3 of the buggers in a traitor guard list I'm sort of working on.

All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Gargskull wrote:All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Like I said a 3 posts up, none have been seen so far. Doesn't completely rule them out, as they might just have eluded him, but BramGaunt has been right with other releases so far, so I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

Yeah, Mr. Redemption covers it pretty much.

I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

Imperial Guard Leman Russ Battle tank - price as the new demolisher

It better be more than just a Russ. We don't want another Basilisk on our hands.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It better be more than just a Russ. We don't want another Basilisk on our hands.

Well, unless I'm mistaking, the old Leman Russ Battle Cannon, unlike the Basilisk's Earthshaker, wouldn't fit on the new recut chassis as they changed the way the turret connects to the body (the insert and turn 90 degrees to lock thingy). So that would mean they'd have to recut the turret sprue, increasing the chances that the other 4 variants are included on said sprue.

Increasing the chances, yes.

GW wrote:As if a whole new Expansion wasn't exciting enough, it's going to be accompanied by a range of new miniatures including some stunning new plastic kits

Buying recut versions of tanks I already own does not excite me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Increasing the chances, yes.

Well, the laws of probability math and GW don't always mesh well.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I mean, when they redid the Dark Reapers last time Jes made 'em go back to the old style, as that's how good they were. I really do hope they don't let anyone else 'sides Jes near Eldar next time around. If they don't, he'll just end up fixing mistakes all over again (eg. 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant, Carnifex, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, Banshees, etc.).

I never liked the Reapers with ears. Love the 3rd edition models though. The ones who only have skulls as helmets.

Look at it as a glass-half-full thing. If this really is a giant way of play-testing potential new tank rules it means that things might actually improve in 6th Ed.

Playtesting through the WD? Wouldn't that require GW listening to their fans?

reds8n wrote:Eldar might well be very happy. Death to hybrid kits. There's a chance that the kit might make two variants -- maybe there's something in those Nightspinner rumours from a while back.

I like the sound of that. That would actually get me to buy another Eldar tank. I just hope they finally release new Jetbikes.

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

I hope it's soon. They desperatly need it.

Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:All good stuff but do you know if the Ork buggy box is/isn't coming with this release?

Like I said a 3 posts up, none have been seen so far. Doesn't completely rule them out, as they might just have eluded him, but BramGaunt has been right with other releases so far, so I wouldn't get your hopes up too much.

reds8n wrote:Yeah, Mr. Redemption covers it pretty much.

I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

That's a shame, I know we've been spoiled rotten lately but buggies was at the top of the wishlist, still two and a half months to go though so my fingers will remain crossed.

Cheers for the info though.

I am still wondering which new expansion is going to include the release of plastic stormtroopers and rough riders?

Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

I expect waves will still be in effect for amries that need a lot of updating. There's an Orc n' Gobbo wave* in may.

*I'm not convinced or happy that two new kits and a repack can count as a wave but that's another matter entirely.

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

Just smart marketing.

Little Timmy will convince mommy that he needs those three new tanks to go with his new expansion book...

Does this sound like a summer campaign to anyone else?

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

I think it is as close to the Warmachine style of release as GW can get.

I am waiting for the Cavalry WHFB release. Most of the armies have sub-par cav or options that need filling.

I used to like it when every now and then they would just surprise us with a new individual release that wasn't tied to a recent codex. It was worth buying WD back in the days when you opened it to find that they had just released a plastic CSM squad. Seems this only happens pretty rarely now (Legion of the Damned). Expansions are fine if they mean we get new models out of sync with codex and wave releases but it would be nice if they didn't tend to hold so much back for the big releases and just released some of the stuff they have finished.

Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

All sound ideas, I really can't wait to get plastic meganobz in particular.

Yeah I meant buggies =p

@Watcher in the Dark

The amount of releases like that are increasing, as has been GWs plan since last year. They've been letting designers do what they want, hence leaving spaces in codices that have no models. But sadly they haven't really reached to demand, maybe because the designers don't want to do those models, or because they're still concentrating on new codex releases. Hopefully we will get plastic Stormtroopers soon, maybe with the release of =][= codex late this year =D . . . seriously, that's a big load of hope right there =p

Oshova

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:I used to like it when every now and then they would just surprise us with a new individual release that wasn't tied to a recent codex. It was worth buying WD back in the days when you opened it to find that they had just released a plastic CSM squad. Seems this only happens pretty rarely now (Legion of the Damned). Expansions are fine if they mean we get new models out of sync with codex and wave releases but it would be nice if they didn't tend to hold so much back for the big releases and just released some of the stuff they have finished.

They've sort of done that with this marine statue set, announcing and releasing it on it's own. The 'surprise' just came by e-mail newsletter rather then seeing it in white dwarf and of course wasn't a surprise at all because of the internet full stop.


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Redemption wrote:

Gargskull wrote:

Flashman wrote:Funny how there has to be a new expansion these days to warrant releasing new minis. I quite liked the wave system, but GW got bored of that very quickly.

GW seems to want releases to be themed and I guess this is just another way of doing that, waves work fine but then it's just one army getting new stuff, this way a bunch of armies get new stuff and everybody gets new rules/ideas to play with.

Well we had 'Terrain' for Planetstrike, 'Walkers' for Battle Missions and what seems like 'Tanks' for Spearhead. I wonder what the next one could be; 'Monstrous Creatures' (Demon Prince, Tyranid gribblies), 'Elite Infantry' (Stormtroopers, Mega Nobs, Wraithguard), or maybe something like 'Transports/Fast Stuff' (Storm Raven, Mycetic Spore, Ork Buggies)?

One more I'd really like to see, a small supplement in WD for pitting HQ's against each other, they've done this a few times so it's not a lot of work for them but the models released could be hot stuff, namely mutlipart plastics for Necron Lord, Ork warboss, Tyranid Swarmlord etc

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

Damn, I wish they'd just confirm stuff. That way I can know how to budget for their releases. At this point, I'm just holding my money until the things I want come out. It'd be nice if I knew how long I'd have to wait.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:I did hear some talk a while back about a new buggy release and, erroneously, thought this would come out with the battle missions stuff. As/when/if I hear anthing so will you.

My source has also been implying new buggy releases as well. In fact, he was betting on them being released before the Kanz just recently.

So they could well be done, dusted and ready for release. Makes you wonder just how long ago they cut the moulds, with some new plastic kits you can very clearly see they were done a while ago and just held back whereas other's just look literally cutting edge.

Yeah if I had one wish it would be a new leman russ battle tank with a pile of variant guns, go treadheads!!

I really hope this is better than battle missions. The release was a disappointment to me. I just wanted ONE FREAKING independent character (Master of the Forge). That model SHOULD NOT need to be converted from your run of the mill tech marine. He should be special. I do like the theme idea they have going. Makes releases more exciting.