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thanks so much for the detailed breakdown, makes more sense to me and all I can do now is wait for the new codex and hope for some fixes to bring the blood angels back to speed. We never know maybe one of the characters may indeed have a better chance at a one on one with abaddon. I eagerly await.

So when did abaddon get a face lift - from the chaos codex or does he have an individual one for his chapter?

Abbadon was good in the 4/5th Chaos dex, then for a brief period at the beginning of 6th lost AP2 (thanks to having a sword), but as the 6th ed Chaos codex was one of the first to be released, he was only worse for about 3 months, before getting suddenly better again. Other than that, he's been pretty consistently good since late 4th.

3 months only? You mean the gap between the 5th codex and 6th was only 3 months?

No, what I meant was that the 4th Ed chaos codex came out towards the end of 4th (2006, I think), and lasted through the 4 years of 5th. Then 6th ed came out in June 2012, and the 6th ed chaos codex came out in September/October 2012, iirc.

Chaos had no 5th ed codex, only the 4th ed one which lasted through until the 6th Ed one. It was the period of 6th ed that chaos were still running on the 4th ed codex that he suffered from the AP3 sword rules.

iv got you......makes perfect sense - cheers

My favourite character is Belial, because he makes terminators troops.

My favourite troops squad is Deathwing terminators.

Sure, they're not a great unit and woefully overpriced for their capability, but I like them.

I have always liked Chaplains. They have good buffs, and can be used anyway you want. They can be standard power armour, termy armour, on a bike, and can have a jump pack. I just love all the models and the rules for them.

The Terminator Chaplain is one of the coolest models GW sell.

I've never understood the roles of chaplains and their effect in squads

Character: Azreal/ Interrogator Chaplin
Unit: Deathwing knights
Vehicle: Land Raider Redeemer

Trials of Azreal was awesome and a great reason why I like/respect Azreal. Fluff wise and through gameplay, I love the interrogator. The model looks cool.
Knights are awesome. T5 ( if played right) with 3 S10 on a charge with reroll on chaos SM - yes please.
Land raiders are SM tanks of steroids.

Totally agree with you there about the land raider but which one is best and why? Standard raider, redeemer or crusader?

Well it comes down to play style. General LR gives you a mobile long ranged bunker. Crusader gives you transport and anti infantry and Redeemer gives an amazing assault results.

Not that there's a model or rules for him, but my favorite character at the moment is Hazon D'Kir. A close second goes to Erasmus Tycho. Tycho in particular during his last battle at Armageddon. You know you're bad ass when another Chapter Master gives you a squad of his veterans for an Honor Guard (which I hope to model one day as a diorama).

Squad = Sanguinary Guard. Man were they fun to model and paint.

Vehicle = Moriar the Chosen.

My thumbs up go to tycho too. He's legend.

My favourite character: Chapter Master - correctly kitted, he'll eat people in close combat, and is tough to knock down (Burning Blade and Shield Eternal, I'm looking at you!)
My favourite unit: Sternguard Veterans - the embodiment of flexibility combined with more than decent firepower. The feeling's great when you roll well while your Sternguards are firing a volley of Hellfire shots, and the opponent's HQ has 10+ armour saves to absorb.
My favourite vehicle: Land Raider - almost any loadout. Raw firepower, tough to crack open, and (most of the time) transports terminators.

In game, I like all the command-y units...command squads, honor guards, all the HQ's...and also the humble tac squad.

I actually don't much like SM vehicles because most of them are pretty boring. The exception is the drop pod, which I think looks cool, has awesome rules, and has a great "feel" to it.

Sammael-- Imperial Jetbike? With a plasma cannon? Ravensword? Admantium Mantle? Just on wargear alone he is awesome. His ascent to the top of the Ravenwing, and some of his close-calls are pretty awesome too. Not really so much a tactician or strategic genius, just a relentless hunter that is almost impossible to kill. Awesome.

Favorite character is my Chapter Master on a bike with Artificer Armour and the Burning Blade. This guy just completely wrecks shop and get's into combat quick. (Also allows me to bring Honour guard who I team up with a Chap in Termie Armour and a Chapter Banner, very nasty combination)

Favorite Squad is the assault squad. I run my SM as Raven Guard and the assault squad is the reason why. I usually give them two flamers and kit the Vet. Sgt. out with the two lightning claws and throw in a chaplain, I need the rerolls thanks to my terrible luck.

Favorite vehicle is the Storm Raven, chock full of utility. Standard loadout is TLMM and TLAC and add on a locator beacon. I typically put a 5 man scout squad or 10 man tac squad with flamer/combi flamer in it for objective grabs later on.

The humble Space Marine Whilrwind. Nothing else for 65 points says "feth you, and the wave serpent you rode in on" to Eldar on foot after you've popped their transport.

See also, IG blob squads.

 kronk wrote:
The humble Space Marine Whilrwind. Nothing else for 65 points says "feth you, and the wave serpent you rode in on" to Eldar on foot after you've popped their transport.

See also, IG blob squads.

Gotta pop it first. That's the whole problem. I have a hundred ways to kill Eldar foot troops. And zero to kill Wave Serpents.

Martel732 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The humble Space Marine Whilrwind. Nothing else for 65 points says "feth you, and the wave serpent you rode in on" to Eldar on foot after you've popped their transport.

See also, IG blob squads.

Gotta pop it first. That's the whole problem. I have a hundred ways to kill Eldar foot troops. And zero to kill Wave Serpents.

"Take three of me and call me in the morning!"

 kronk wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The humble Space Marine Whilrwind. Nothing else for 65 points says "feth you, and the wave serpent you rode in on" to Eldar on foot after you've popped their transport.

See also, IG blob squads.

Gotta pop it first. That's the whole problem. I have a hundred ways to kill Eldar foot troops. And zero to kill Wave Serpents.

"Take three of me and call me in the morning!"

Awesome pic of white scars I'm guessing???

I have to go with the Betrayer... Kharn is 40k incarnate. Death, blood, and grim darkness all rolled into one.

Ahriman is a close second.

 kerikhaos wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
The humble Space Marine Whilrwind. Nothing else for 65 points says "feth you, and the wave serpent you rode in on" to Eldar on foot after you've popped their transport.

See also, IG blob squads.

Gotta pop it first. That's the whole problem. I have a hundred ways to kill Eldar foot troops. And zero to kill Wave Serpents.

"Take three of me and call me in the morning!"

Awesome pic of white scars I'm guessing???

Yes, they are white scars.

And if we can pick Chaos Marines, I echo Kharn. He is not a warrior, he is an insatiable lawnmower.

Is kharn a playable character in chaos armies iron is he just fluff?

So I was reading a bit about the white scars and I'm seeing they have been portrayed like the old mongols such as the great khan?? Interesting

 kerikhaos wrote:
Is kharn a playable character in chaos armies iron is he just fluff?

So I was reading a bit about the white scars and I'm seeing they have been portrayed like the old mongols such as the great khan?? Interesting

Kharn is a playable character; unfortunately 6th edition doesn't lend itself to CC real well lol. I would run him with a unit of Zerkers and wreak havok in CC back in 5th. He is an awesome model and a great fluff character, especially in the Heresy series.

Kharn is not particularly impressive resilience wise, an unupgraded Captain is tougher thanks to his Iron Halo, but if you charge him against anything short of Lysander he will nom it like nobody's business.

7 Strength 7 AP2 Armourbane attacks that always hit on a 2+ (With rerolls first round if he is Warlord) makes most things just melt before him.

Kharn is the ultimate cc character. Put him in a land raider with some berserkers. Makes anything dead.

Last time I faced Mephiston I used Logan Grimnar to kill him in one round of combat. Always hits on 3's, ap2, wounding on 2s. Preffered enemy. Eternal warrior. 2+ save. The ultimate Mephiston killer.

Fave character: Ezekiel. I just love the model. Robes and librarians are awesome.

Fave unit: that's a hard one. Death company with jump packs are really awesome.

Fave tank: land raider crusader. Accept no substitutes.

Ok do I need to know the difference between the 3 land raider models ? Standard, redeemer and crusader and what's better and why??

Master of the forge w/ conversion Beamer
Lysander
Terminator Chaplain