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 Azazelx wrote:

Basically, it's a short-run campaign with quite a high sweet spot. Andy makes some nice models, but it's "I might like some of those one day" stuff rather than stuff I "need" - but 20% off with a 6-month wait doesn't sell it for me for stuff that mostly falls into impulse purchase territory for me personally. If there was a $100-ish level that looked exciting ($100, not £100!), I'd back it, but a 20% discount on existing models for a 6-month wait doesn't do much for me. As much of a nice guy Andy is, I really can't afford to do "support him with $100 and figure out something you'd like, just because." (And add postage later!). Especially with such a short campaign.

That's fair enough mate- I am supporting this mainly because a)I wants my dragon (#68 in the queue- will be getting mine at xmas time ) and b) I want to expand my menagerie of monsters for my Dark Eldar!

Right- We've now smashed through to £25K which means- the Ogres,Lurkers,Blights,Ghouls, the Angel/Demon pack,Maggotmen,Tunnel Guard and Ner'gabba are ALL unlocked. (WHEW!)

Any idea if Andy is going to allow upping of pledges later via the PM? There has to be a PM regardless since there's a million figures on offer. I might be able to swing something small now and then bump up to £50 or £100 later. I reckon £220 is a bridge way too far (for me), though.

More than likely to be yes. Every little helps where he's concerned lol

He has specifically said that he will allow funds being added via PM.

Ah good then. I had to tweak my pledge lower due to waiting on a PayPal payment, but if I can up it later I should be set

I sadly had to drop out of this for financial reasons, but I got to say that Madame Ner'Gabba and her Maggotmen are looking really spectacular. Good stuff!

 Trodax wrote:
I sadly had to drop out of this for financial reasons, but I got to say that Madame Ner'Gabba and her Maggotmen are looking really spectacular. Good stuff!

You could always pledge a £5 level and up it when the PM comes out?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Trodax wrote:
I sadly had to drop out of this for financial reasons, but I got to say that Madame Ner'Gabba and her Maggotmen are looking really spectacular. Good stuff!

You could always pledge a £5 level and up it when the PM comes out?

I might have to do that, yeah.

New update folks-

Update #21

GOOD. BAD. I'M THE GUY WITH THE FLAMING SWORD.

THE ANGEL AND THE DEMON
Here we are at last, the last few big monsters from Heresy's past. And what a pair they are. Always designed as counterpart models that paired up to form a vignette of Light vs Dark, The Angel of Righteous Anger and the Fallen One known as B'Hakoth The Destroyer were fabulous models, but somewhat awkward due to the fact that being metal made them a little top heavy if you were moving them about at all. In resin, they will be a modeller's dream, easily converted and easily adapted to any diorama you want to pose them in. I'm even going to make a special linking piece so that you don't have to pin one to the other, they will be part of the same model. It's going to be pretty amazing. Both models will be included in the Lord Of Darkness pledge, and the special diorama piece will be as well, so that LoD pledgers can have their cake and eat it.


The Angel of Righteous Anger. As angry as he looks. And so righteous.

If we hit £28,000 then the Angel and B'Hakoth will be unlocked as individual Fallen One class reward choices.

If we hit £30,000, I will make a very special diorama version of the two, posed for maximum effect, with freshly sculpted components to replace the key parts that will hold them together as one. At 30k that diorama will be unlocked and available to choose as an Add-on reward for £70

To get an idea of what that might look like, here is a splendid piece that was done by Talonicus a few years back, where he has converted the two models to great effect!


Oh, and then there's these
The ogre-sized Cyclops is available NOW as a Large Monster reward choice...


One of the first models I sculpted for Heresy back in 2002 was this Fallen One. Confusingly, he's not big enough to make it into Fallen One class, so he's in Minion Class...



Next up, how about something a bit more heroic for a change?

 Trodax wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Trodax wrote:
I sadly had to drop out of this for financial reasons, but I got to say that Madame Ner'Gabba and her Maggotmen are looking really spectacular. Good stuff!

You could always pledge a £5 level and up it when the PM comes out?

I might have to do that, yeah.

That's what I had to do, as well. Also lets you see how progress goes for a bit before really committing. I really would like a tunnel dweller, and had been offering a lot in the swapshop for a metal one with no luck. But it is pricey after shipping! Even if it's preferable in resin here.

Have to wonder if Andy is filled more with excitement or terror at this point...

In a week or so, he gets a big pile of money...but then he has to actually fulfill the pledges (and by rough calculation, it will be a whole lot of resin to be cast over the next 6 months).

Also lets you see how progress goes for a bit before really committing.

Unfortunately, even more so with these smaller ones than the big ones, it can also make the difference between locked and unlocked at the end of the campaign.

It does put more money into the hands of the creator (which is a good thing) but I always like to see as much go in during the campaign to get those last goals unlocked and see where the campaign is headed.

...Now, when will he do one for his sci-fi line up...

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Have to wonder if Andy is filled more with excitement or terror at this point...

In a week or so, he gets a big pile of money...but then he has to actually fulfill the pledges (and by rough calculation, it will be a whole lot of resin to be cast over the next 6 months).

To be fair, a lot of that is metal, which I understand is a lot quicker to deal with.

Yes, and less temperamental in the humid winter months in the UK (well...humid year round, but winter seemed extra humid to me).

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Have to wonder if Andy is filled more with excitement or terror at this point...
In a week or so, he gets a big pile of money...but then he has to actually fulfill the pledges (and by rough calculation, it will be a whole lot of resin to be cast over the next 6 months).

That's a bit scary in itself for us as well. Especially when he starts talking about hiring more staff, which is expensive.

Also lets you see how progress goes for a bit before really committing.

Unfortunately, even more so with these smaller ones than the big ones, it can also make the difference between locked and unlocked at the end of the campaign.
It does put more money into the hands of the creator (which is a good thing) but I always like to see as much go in during the campaign to get those last goals unlocked and see where the campaign is headed.
...Now, when will he do one for his sci-fi line up...

Don't make it a.. what? 16-day campaign(?) with a sweet spot of 220 quid? That might help. Other option is that people like myself and RT don't pledge at all, and therefore add nothing later on.

I'm all for this campaign, but like Creature Caster did he even admits some stretch goals are just paced to keep reveals going. My concern with this and one like Mecha Front is a higher total makes for a much larger project for a small operation, and delayed fulfillment. I have a use for a model, but sometimes delays make that use invalid. So, having a few months to see progress before paying the full amount in the pledge manager could help me see if the pace here will still make the model useful to me. Either way, I am pledging, just not sure how much.

I've backed many campaigns and it helps small companies to get spaced out orders, too, not all at once then nothing. I even pledged toward Andy's dragon, pre-Kickstarter days . So, I really support him, but am likely to want to see how things go before putting in more funds later.

Azazelx 611022 7163051 8afd42f8b37d1848331d35c12138140b. wrote:Don't make it a.. what? 16-day campaign(?) with a sweet spot of 220 quid? That might help. Other option is that people like myself and RT don't pledge at all, and therefore add nothing later on.

I wouldn't worry about that, after all you have contributed. Despite your lack of pledge you have contributed a lot of posts on this kicksstarter

Personally I am happy the "sweetspot" is so high. Andy was only after the 3 grand to help him along with the dragon. He got that an a feth-ton more which is good! However if what you say is true and that the lower sweetspot would have brought in a heck of a lot more people then that would mean a heck of a lot more complex resin minis to produce and the chance of being a victim of his own success skyrockets.

Considering that he is 23k over his original 3k goal, I think he picked a good enough "mega-pledge" to entice people in.
Could he have gotten more money? Sure!
Would that have been a good idea? I don't know.

But if he is happy with the current result then awesome, if not and he is kicking himself that he should have had a lower sweetspot well he can be prepared with how we wants to run the next kickstrarter, should he do one for his sci-fi range or the 30 part Dropshipt hat I have just made up for his Grymm.

edit: Correcting Quote Tags

Well, that was in response to Sean's post about wanting to see the campaign get higher with more Stretch Goals. The way Andy is running the campaign seems pretty clear that he does want to raise as much as possible, or he'd be slowing it down rather than keeping it going with more and more models added (most of which aren't even in resin/resin remasters, but additions of his existing stuff in metal).

I think Andy mentioned there's going to be another Heresy Kickstarter next year to try and get his foot in the door with plastics. Given his attention to quality control, you can be certain it will be pretty damn awesome

I sent Andy a message about it. It won't be a problem jumping on for a small amount once I get paid, and if the PM isn't too soon or closes too fast (hopefully not) then I'll grab a few of the "yeah, I always wanted those" figures. I picked up a few sets in the last year anyway, but I'll see what I can swing.

Well Andy must be feeling pretty happy right about now. We're now at £30K for this campaign with 48hrs left to go.

Here's what's been unlocked for the Lord Of Darkness pledge level.



More to follow as soon as Andy's done an update lol.

And just for those interested in this sort of thing-




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Some rather nice freebies and cool alternatives for Mantic's Dungeon Saga heroes. Or whatever dungeon crawler takes your fancy for that matter...

Update #23

£40K Stretch Goal: YOU'RE ALL HEROES!



Please note that's the Dwarf Inventor but only with his pistols, not the full bag of bitz he normally comes with.
WHERE NEXT?

Well, I'm off to decide that very thing. That's the problem with a wildly successful Kickstarter, you run out of things to kickstart.

What I need now, is a new real life Minion to help out! So the next Stretch goal will be for £40,000, at which point I should be able to hire some help. The bonus to you is it means things will get sorted out faster! I'll be adding a few bits for you to pledge for in the next few hours to help get us there!

Yes, some of Andy and Steve Buddle's finest there. Steve ran the Spyglass/Eolith range before going to work for GW, and produced some lovely models.

Steve's style tends towards 'flatter' single-piece models with bold details and flowing robes, and Andy's more to the dynamic, gribbly and multi-part.

Lord of Darkness pledge £666

WHAT'S IN THE LORD OF DARKNESS PLEDGE NOW?

Glad you asked. Here's a list, bear in mind that some models like the Occulak are going to have two or three variants, and you'll get one of each variant proiduced as part of this kickstarter in you LoD pledge. I'm told that it adds up to about £833 at the moment, before you add on the £75 giant and the £130 Throne room diorama if we get that far, all for just £666! I've funded far more than I thought for this kickstarter and that means the LoD pledge is bonkers crazy good value. I'll also happily swap out Large Monsters for minions etc after the KS if you really want. We can sort that out via email.

At the time of writing there are only 11 Lord Of Darkness pledges left!

Some new models added to the kickstarter project folks-


He will be tweaking these to make the wings look better. These are quite old sculpts.


Plus!! Here's some sporting goods for you all...















And a rather nice looking choppy axe for the demon weapon loving crowd.. I should warn you this thing is MASSIVE.



This lot gets unlocked at £35k

At £37,500 the Wings for the NetherLord II model get added... they'll look something like this.

[size=18]This winged NL2 was converted by Eric Lambert and is pretty much how I want mine to look, so I'm using it as an example of what I'll make.

Either add £25.00 to your pledge to get the separate wings, or up it to include £130 for the price of a full Winged NetherLord II kit and if we hit £37,500 I'll make the wings ready for shipment for June next year.

21hrs remaining at time of writing...

Let's do this!![/size]

Man, that Lord of Darkness pledge - as he says, that would get to around £1000 worth of stuff for £666 once the giant was in, Will just have to be happy with "just" a Pantheon, and all of the stuff therein.

I'm most impressed by the amount of new stuff coming out of the Kickstarter - it's not just retooling, there's so many new (and old but Kickstarter-exclusive) kits now! You can have an entire maggoty army now...

Bioptic wrote:
Man, that Lord of Darkness pledge - as he says, that would get to around £1000 worth of stuff for £666 once the giant was in, Will just have to be happy with "just" a Pantheon, and all of the stuff therein.

I'm most impressed by the amount of new stuff coming out of the Kickstarter - it's not just retooling, there's so many new (and old but Kickstarter-exclusive) kits now! You can have an entire maggoty army now...

Yeah I think this Kickstarter has perked him up massively. Lots of awesome new retooled stuff as well as some nice new things. It's also interesting to see the difference in his sculpting capabilities from when he started out to present day.

Speaking of new stuff...

Update#27

Don't forget the Giant!

Further to my last post, let's not forget about the Giant I'll be making if and when we hit £40,000! Some people were worried that I'd be giving him an actual baby's head. I've tried to explain that that's not how a sketch to physical sculpt process necessarily works, I was just trying to capture the feeling of innocent joy on the pencil sketch. But I didn't seem to be able to make myself clear so here's a quick sketch done in a mix of Fimo/Fimo Soft/Cernit clay of what the giant's head might look like. Here, he's been distracted by a pretty bird flying past his head.





If you want the giant, you can pledge £75 for him, and he'll be made if we hit £40,000. Or if you are one of the few people who has gone for the mega-crazy Lord Of Darkness deal, well, it's yet ANOTHER model you'll get as part of that at no extra cost, taking it up to around a 50% DISCOUNT on all the models that are in it for £666 if we hit £40k... I'm starting to think that's a bad plan on my part, it's so good!

LETS DO THIS!

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Firstly- WOW!! Looks like Heresy will be cranking out the dollies now! £40K stretch goal ACHIEVED! This means- Andy can hire a minion to aid him in the task of fulfilling a rather satisfying 400+ backers worth of rewards

The Heresy Giant will apparently be around 270mm/11" tall. So thats around the height of a Shrine of the Aquila..

CONFIRMED STRETCH GOAL- LONG SHOT £45K

Andy will be able to hire 2 minions and make this this is assuming £10k can be filled in just under an hour and a half-

Update #29
GIANT UNLOCKED! 1 HOUR TO GO! LAST GOAL!


Hellbeasts are utterly adorable when they aren't rending your soul from your flesh with their teeth. Let's get this Throne Room Diorama unlocked!

The end is in sight! The Wicker Man has been built and I have lots of smashing flowers in my hair and a book of matches in my hand!

The Giant is Unlocked, thank you all so much, I'm really looking forward to sculpting it!

Now let's go for the big last act - the special Throne Room Diorama scene. This is going to be similar to the above sketch, featuring a throne of bones, Hellbeasts, and at least one Fallen One sized character to sit in the Throne (I'll do a couple for you to choose from)

There may also be Succubi involved.

It will be a resin set and will ship separately to the rest of your pledge. It will consist of a demonic throne, a seated Fallen One of some sort, and several hellbeasts as pictured. There will be a few banner stands and trophies about the place and a flaming brazier or two. But only if we hit £45,000! You will need to get your friends to come over and pledge!

To pledge for the Throne room diorama you will need to add £130 to your pledge. there's going to be a lot of bits to it beyond what you see in the sketches and it will very much be worth that much.


If you have pledged for the Lord of Darkness pledge, you will get the Throne Room Diorama as part of your pledge This will take it beyond £1100 of stuff for £666!

Or else, you can adjust your pledge level (don't have to change your reward) by adding the £130 to it.

This is a real long shot goal but we can do it!

1 hour to go!

I didn't invest in this KS because of something I would call the KS vicious circle.

I'll explain...

Let's say you have a company that wants to invest in a whole bunch of new products, but lacks the capital (common story, right?).

You're aren't big enough, or offer a product that the sharemarket understands, so becoming publicly listed to raise revenue isn't feasible, or maybe you don't like the idea of answering to shareholders (fair enough).

So you create a KS, and raise funds.

Great!

But you over promised the KS to draw in backers...offered deals that were too good.

Or maybe you were in debt to begin with, and a substantial portion of funds that should be for the KS are used to alleviate debt.

Or maybe you simply didn't calculate costs correctly, or costs of basic materials rise, or you realise you need to hire staff.

You are suddenly in a position where despite just completing a successful KS, you are in dire needs of more funds!

Heresy minis is in all three above situations!

Andy has a history of poor decision making regarding his business, he openly declared that the funds from his KS were to be used to make the 200-odd dragons he still hasn't completed from over 3 years ago.

He then kept adding more and more minis to his KS, and now is in a position where the money from his KS has to be used to finalise all his old outstanding orders and all his new KS obligations.

I fear that whilst he may well pump out the dragons and get rid of that millstone, he will run out of money before managing to complete the hundreds of new orders this KS brings.

Then what...another KS to use to raise revenue to finish the previous one?

Hey, just my opinion, maybe everything will go smoothly, and the numerous backers will be holding shiny resin demons early next year...

We'll see...!

yxalitis wrote:
I didn't invest in this KS because of something I would call the KS vicious circle.

I'll explain...

*Stuff*

We'll see...!

On the plus side he has the ability to bulk purchase the resin he needs that cuts down on the costs a lot.

While he hasn't got the best track record from the business side of things the Dragon issues were mainly brought on by having an incredibly ambitious project and not having the ability to make it reliably using the techniques and tools he had at the time.

He has been able to get past the vast majority of the issues so hopefully this will wipe it off.
I have to agree I think it got a bit large but I am not too worried about the outcome.

Yxalitis, I have to say I share the concern- I didn't when the campaign was smaller and he was just casting already sculpted items in resin instead of metal. But with all the stretch goals... yeah, scale creep hit this campaign hard. I hope he can fulfill it well... But I decided on the lowest pledge level, partly due to available funds, but also due to wanting to see how he fares as this progresses.

Yeah, due to my work situation becoming a bit uncertain I had to drop out at a pretty early stage; it was painful at first as the minis are so nice, but as the campaign grew... and grew... and grew... I actually started feeling I might be in the right place after all. I really, really hope it works out for Andy, but I must say I pretty much agree with yxalitis concerns.

The dragon was a real outlier that hit a perfect storm of problems; from metal prices suddenly rocketing after a pre-order price promise wiped out profit, to unexpected demand.

I've met him only in passing at Gencon, but Andy is dwarflike in his stubbornness to deliver on his promises; I've no doubt he'll get things done.