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 Achaylus72 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Hire me as CEO and give me the power to actually fix up the place.

Bring out Bretonnians and (Sisters of Battle in plastic) and be done with it.

And above all no army/faction should never be left to rot for over a decade.

Is this your campaign promise to bring Squats up to date?

HELL YEAH

The weird thing is I realized the other day just how hilariously easy that would be. Just release a Demiurge supplement for the Tau codex. Glue some Dwarf bits to Battlesuits and update the fluff.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Dreadfleet though.... whew.

...Dreadfleet XVIII: The Dread Pool...

We are not interested in change, we are interested in improvement.

If GW was the world's only car manufacturer we would all be driving around in Model T Fords, and every two or three years the wheels would change, or the pedal configuration, or the fuel type, not because the new car was safer or faster, or more reliable or easier to drive, but because GW could then charge people more for the new version.

No, the new model wouldn't come with wheels, cost more, and the wheels would be extra.

The answer is simple. GW needs to make better products. Finecast and the luck luster rules of 6th (with the quick turn around on 7th) has turned alot of people off.

 Lockark wrote:
The answer is simple. GW needs to make better products. Finecast and the luck luster rules of 6th (with the quick turn around on 7th) has turned alot of people off.

What is a better product? Would a better product be something that people want to buy? For that wouldn't you need to know what people want to buy instead of putting stuff out that only a very few people have any interest in?

Davor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
The answer is simple. GW needs to make better products. Finecast and the luck luster rules of 6th (with the quick turn around on 7th) has turned alot of people off.

What is a better product? Would a better product be something that people want to buy? For that wouldn't you need to know what people want to buy instead of putting stuff out that only a very few people have any interest in?

-How about haveing the rules written by someone who didn't go on record saying that they want to discourage competitive/tournament play?
-A core rule book that wasn't so broken that you needed to be replaced in 2 years?
-Models that aren't full of more holes then swiss cheese?
-How about not priceing Plastic core troops for a WHFB army at $7 CAD per model?


GW products keep going up in price, well the quality of product drops. Can you blame people for leaving?

 Lockark wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
The answer is simple. GW needs to make better products. Finecast and the luck luster rules of 6th (with the quick turn around on 7th) has turned alot of people off.

What is a better product? Would a better product be something that people want to buy? For that wouldn't you need to know what people want to buy instead of putting stuff out that only a very few people have any interest in?

-How about haveing the rules written by someone who didn't go on record saying that they want to discourage competitive/tournament play?
-A core rule book that wasn't so broken that you needed to be replaced in 2 years?
-Models that aren't full of more holes then swiss cheese?
-How about not priceing Plastic core troops for a WHFB army at $7 CAD per model?


GW products keep going up in price, well the quality of product drops. Can you blame people for leaving?

No I don't blame people at all for leaving. I am one of them. What I meant was what does "a better product" mean. Ask 100 people you can get 100 different answers.

Oh I so wanted to try Fantasy. You exact reason, $7 a mini is just insane.

Davor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
The answer is simple. GW needs to make better products. Finecast and the luck luster rules of 6th (with the quick turn around on 7th) has turned alot of people off.

What is a better product? Would a better product be something that people want to buy? For that wouldn't you need to know what people want to buy instead of putting stuff out that only a very few people have any interest in?

-How about haveing the rules written by someone who didn't go on record saying that they want to discourage competitive/tournament play?
-A core rule book that wasn't so broken that you needed to be replaced in 2 years?
-Models that aren't full of more holes then swiss cheese?
-How about not priceing Plastic core troops for a WHFB army at $7 CAD per model?


GW products keep going up in price, well the quality of product drops. Can you blame people for leaving?

No I don't blame people at all for leaving. I am one of them. What I meant was what does "a better product" mean. Ask 100 people you can get 100 different answers.

Oh I so wanted to try Fantasy. You exact reason, $7 a mini is just insane.

Yah don't worry. I knew what you meant. Was more or less just trying to clarify some examples of how GW products have been lowering the bar.

I realize now the post read kinda "angry". Sorry about that.

Its really easy: Just do the exact opposite of everything that is on my sig (which comes from GW themselves).

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Its really easy: Just do the exact opposite of everything that is on my sig (which comes from GW themselves).

Ouch. I can never understand how someone can be so proud of that.

 kronk wrote:
Engage in social media.

Host tournaments. They don't have to be ultra-competitive hard boys tournaments. Just some 30k events (fully painted) or some other themed tournaments with prizes given for sportsmanship and paint jobs. Show case your goddam hobby! Bring in new people.

Release a "mini-rulebook" thats ~$20.

Free hugs.

By 30k I assume you mean 40k, since one is a game they sell In their stores, the other is a niche market for a niche market.

Davor wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Its really easy: Just do the exact opposite of everything that is on my sig (which comes from GW themselves).

Ouch. I can never understand how someone can be so proud of that.

It is the apotheosis of bad business planning.... And just what you want to tell your shareholders....

The Auld Grump

Give new releases away for free. Invite nay-sayers over for holiday meals. Champion baby seals...

 Byte wrote:
Give new releases away for free. Invite nay-sayers over for holiday meals. Champion baby seals...

And here is the riductio ad absurdum response - still not addressing the problem.

Ho-hmmm.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Give new releases away for free. Invite nay-sayers over for holiday meals. Champion baby seals...

And here is the riductio ad absurdum response - still not addressing the problem.

Ho-hmmm.

The Auld Grump

Go ahead and solve their problem, I'm sure GW HQ is standing by with bated breath.

I'll pass.

We'll move on from here then yes ?

thanks.

 Byte wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Give new releases away for free. Invite nay-sayers over for holiday meals. Champion baby seals...

And here is the riductio ad absurdum response - still not addressing the problem.

Ho-hmmm.

The Auld Grump

Go ahead and solve their problem, I'm sure GW HQ is standing by with bated breath.

I'll pass.

I don't think that the problem will be solved.

I think that GW is going to go under - the question is when.

And I do not give them all that long - two years, maybe three at the current rate.

And that folks that think that GW didn't need to fix their problems will be asking themselves 'What went wrong? GW was doing everything right!

And an awful lot of curmudgeonly sorts will be saying 'Toldja so!'

Believe it or not, the folks wondering how GW can set itself back upright are the folks that don't want GW to go under.

Me, I would have a hard time caring about GW itself - but the third party support companies - those I have a lot of sympathy and respect for.

Back on topic -
GW has done a lot of damage to themselves suing people over the last few years - and one thing that they can do - which will save them money into the bargain - is to just stop with the frivolous suits.

Which means making Merret go to school and learn about all that IP stuff that he is supposed to be in charge of.

The Auld Grump

One must understand the mindset of middle and upper management and this old man does. I fully believe I know Kirby's end game and been commenting about it in the past. There is no turning around. You can not go back to the way it was. The glory days are gone.

Well the erosion of public exposure to common consumer in the last 8 years is the company's downfall. Dumb assed mistakes with the lack of marketing??? In this era where marketing is key to essential growth?

Well to the man in the Glass Castle in jolly o' England....


DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!!

One thing Kirby can do to improve his image is to quit comparing himself to Steve Jobs. It reminds me when VP Dan Quail compared himself to Jack Kennedy during the VP presidential debate. Steve Jobs knew to ask Microsoft for money to save Apple. Does this mean Kirby is going to ask PP for money to save GW?

I think Tom Kirby will be asking for money, from GW plc to buy back £4M of his shares before he retires.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Its really easy: Just do the exact opposite of everything that is on my sig (which comes from GW themselves).

Ouch. I can never understand how someone can be so proud of that.

It is the apotheosis of bad business planning.... And just what you want to tell your shareholders....

The Auld Grump

What Kirby is essentially implying is GW customers are stupid. They are stupid lemmings who buy whatever crap the company puts out. And the company laughs at the little idiots the whole time, and there is no reason this should change because the customers are too dumb to understand.

THIS is what GW has to change to improve their image...they actually have to give a damn about their image. Now saying that, what it means IMO is they have to experience a complete 180 in attitude. Which they can do, after all, they *used* to see value in their customers beyond their wallets, so hopefully they can make the change again!

 Accolade wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Its really easy: Just do the exact opposite of everything that is on my sig (which comes from GW themselves).

Ouch. I can never understand how someone can be so proud of that.

It is the apotheosis of bad business planning.... And just what you want to tell your shareholders....

The Auld Grump

What Kirby is essentially implying is GW customers are stupid. They are stupid lemmings who buy whatever crap the company puts out. And the company laughs at the little idiots the whole time, and there is no reason this should change because the customers are too dumb to understand.

THIS is what GW has to change to improve their image...they actually have to give a damn about their image. Now saying that, what it means IMO is they have to experience a complete 180 in attitude. Which they can do, after all, they *used* to see value in their customers beyond their wallets, so hopefully they can make the change again!

This is one of the reasons why I left GW. Haven't bought anything no more after Tyranids and the 7th edition rule book on iPad. Last final purchase. All my money now has gone to X-wing, Star Trek Attack Wing, Dropzone Commander and video games now. Money that would have gone to Games Workshop, but no more. Well I shouldn't say no more. If they change they can always earn me back as a customer.

Problem is, do they want me back? I have a feeling no. I can't believe a company will say "No we don't want your money". That is how I feel everytme I have the itch for 40K or Lord of the Rings. Just when I get the GW bitterness away from me, I go to try and buy something and that bitterness just comes back.

Davor wrote:
No I don't blame people at all for leaving. I am one of them. What I meant was what does "a better product" mean. Ask 100 people you can get 100 different answers.

Ask 100 players to list 10 things GW could do to improve the product and 80+ would give about 5 that are the same. Ignore the remaining 20 people and the 5 that no one can agree on. Voila, greatly improved product that the majority of the core users want. Perfect? No. Much better for most people? Yes.

I imagine they'd include - rule quality, codex balance, pricing and communication to start with.

Chill out with the ligitation-happiness perhaps? As far as I know, PP's new model conversion rules for tournaments that ban recognizeable "foreign" products and logos (the earlier were aimed simply at making models recognizeable because counts-as is a nightmare in WMH) were implemented because they were getting worried that their official photos would include GW parts and the lawyers were going to come after them (similarily to how Eternal War was renamed to Iron Arena).

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:
Chill out with the ligitation-happiness perhaps? As far as I know, PP's new model conversion rules for tournaments that ban recognizeable "foreign" products and logos (the earlier were aimed simply at making models recognizeable because counts-as is a nightmare in WMH) were implemented because they were getting worried that their official photos would include GW parts and the lawyers were going to come after them (similarily to how Eternal War was renamed to Iron Arena).

LOL so Privateer Press is finally going down the Games Workshop slope now eh? Start small, but once rolling, can't stop.

Why do I see Padme saying "So this is how it all starts...." and this is how PP becomes the new Galactic Empire.

Davor wrote:

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:
Chill out with the ligitation-happiness perhaps? As far as I know, PP's new model conversion rules for tournaments that ban recognizeable "foreign" products and logos (the earlier were aimed simply at making models recognizeable because counts-as is a nightmare in WMH) were implemented because they were getting worried that their official photos would include GW parts and the lawyers were going to come after them (similarily to how Eternal War was renamed to Iron Arena).

LOL so Privateer Press is finally going down the Games Workshop slope now eh? Start small, but once rolling, can't stop.

Why do I see Padme saying "So this is how it all starts...." and this is how PP becomes the new Galactic Empire.

PP's conversion rules have always been much more restrictive than GW's and this latest set of restrictions has nothing to do with fear of being sued by GW, but it does have everything to do with fear of being sued by Disney.

Davor wrote:
LOL so Privateer Press is finally going down the Games Workshop slope now eh?

Personally, I thought that when they first showed up...

 Vermis wrote:

Davor wrote:
LOL so Privateer Press is finally going down the Games Workshop slope now eh?

Personally, I thought that when they first showed up...

In some ways, PP has moved in that direction. For example, when the game first came out, a typical game consisted of less than 20 models. For a Khador army, it might have had fewer than 10. Games today consist of significantly more models, even in smaller formats.

However, I feel it is very unlikely that PP will ever abandon their attention to the quality of their rules or their engagement with their customer base.

Saldiven wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

Davor wrote:
LOL so Privateer Press is finally going down the Games Workshop slope now eh?

Personally, I thought that when they first showed up...

In some ways, PP has moved in that direction. For example, when the game first came out, a typical game consisted of less than 20 models. For a Khador army, it might have had fewer than 10. Games today consist of significantly more models, even in smaller formats.

However, I feel it is very unlikely that PP will ever abandon their attention to the quality of their rules or their engagement with their customer base.

Not really disputing anything you've said, but I'm sure there we many people who thought the same thing about Games Workshop back in the day.