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I get good deals when I order the bundles through my LGS. Although I am of the opinion that most of the gw models are reasonably priced with the exception of the individual special characters and some of the forge world stuff. From what I have seen from the various offerings of other companies are higher prices with fewer part options.
I will defend the comment of "40k a lackluster game" by saying a powered armored Space Marine would own any steampunk/Goldberg machine in real life!

Why how do they supply more parts. If you want to play IG you have to recast plasmaguns and meltaguns. If you buy a tac the weapons you want to use them are in the devastator box, so you have to buy two boxs to get 1 unit.

Makumba wrote:
Why how do they supply more parts. If you want to play IG you have to recast plasmaguns and meltaguns. If you buy a tac the weapons you want to use them are in the devastator box, so you have to buy two boxs to get 1 unit.

That second part is IMHO one of the worst grievances that GW does. There is ZERO reason for that other than to push you to buy a second pricey box to make a single unit.

WayneTheGame wrote:

Makumba wrote:
Why how do they supply more parts. If you want to play IG you have to recast plasmaguns and meltaguns. If you buy a tac the weapons you want to use them are in the devastator box, so you have to buy two boxs to get 1 unit.

That second part is IMHO one of the worst grievances that GW does. There is ZERO reason for that other than to push you to buy a second pricey box to make a single unit.

You know what would be good? Micro-sprues, little blister packs containing an individual heavy weapon guy. It would be overpriced but it would be cheaper than buying an entire new squad.

 Jape wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Makumba wrote:
Why how do they supply more parts. If you want to play IG you have to recast plasmaguns and meltaguns. If you buy a tac the weapons you want to use them are in the devastator box, so you have to buy two boxs to get 1 unit.

That second part is IMHO one of the worst grievances that GW does. There is ZERO reason for that other than to push you to buy a second pricey box to make a single unit.

You know what would be good? Micro-sprues, little blister packs containing an individual heavy weapon guy. It would be overpriced but it would be cheaper than buying an entire new squad.

Funny they used to have those. Came with one heavy and one regular bolter guy.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Jape wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

Makumba wrote:
Why how do they supply more parts. If you want to play IG you have to recast plasmaguns and meltaguns. If you buy a tac the weapons you want to use them are in the devastator box, so you have to buy two boxs to get 1 unit.

That second part is IMHO one of the worst grievances that GW does. There is ZERO reason for that other than to push you to buy a second pricey box to make a single unit.

You know what would be good? Micro-sprues, little blister packs containing an individual heavy weapon guy. It would be overpriced but it would be cheaper than buying an entire new squad.

Funny they used to have those. Came with one heavy and one regular bolter guy.

Funny, I still have 3 blister packs of one metal heavy bolter guy each I was planning to use for Deathwatch models.
I guess we could only see micro-sprues now, since metal is out of the question.

Wait, so Forge World sells a combination package that includes one Reaver and two Warhound titans! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles/VENATARII_REAVER_TITAN_MANIPLE_1.html

For those who have cash to burn... But the best part? It cost more than buying the three titan individually? How big of an eff-you is that?!

 jabbakahut wrote:
Wait, so Forge World sells a combination package that includes one Reaver and two Warhound titans! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles/VENATARII_REAVER_TITAN_MANIPLE_1.html

For those who have cash to burn... But the best part? It cost more than buying the three titan individually? How big of an eff-you is that?!

Did you include the price of the weapon arms?

I looked at one of the FW three knight Titan deals and it was like 60 pounds cheaper than buying three individually. So it seems FW doesn't think that discounts devalue the product, but the inferior regular GW kits are somehow devalued by discounts...

The Stormclaw set is quite good value. Went halfs on it with a friend, effectively got 2 squads that would normally amount to €67 plus a limited edition HQ, all for €50. Needless to say I was happy with that.
the Dark Vengeance set is excellent value too. I bought this to trade it on, and was impressed with the quantity and quality of the figures. The downside is the minis are fixed pose 3 to 6 parts, so not very customisation / conversion friendly.

But for the main part you're correct. "Buy this entire IG tank battalion -and we'll give you one free tank commander and a set of decals" Even if I was inclined to buy such a vast quantity of models, The incentive they're giving me to buy such a bundle is pathetic.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:
Wait, so Forge World sells a combination package that includes one Reaver and two Warhound titans! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles/VENATARII_REAVER_TITAN_MANIPLE_1.html

For those who have cash to burn... But the best part? It cost more than buying the three titan individually? How big of an eff-you is that?!

Did you include the price of the weapon arms?

Yes. It's a few pounds cheaper to buy them individually. Go check yourself. I ran it twice and got the same results.

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:
Wait, so Forge World sells a combination package that includes one Reaver and two Warhound titans! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Forge__World_Bundles/VENATARII_REAVER_TITAN_MANIPLE_1.html

For those who have cash to burn... But the best part? It cost more than buying the three titan individually? How big of an eff-you is that?!

Did you include the price of the weapon arms?

Yes. It's a few pounds cheaper to buy them individually. Go check yourself. I ran it twice and got the same results.

I think you did it wrong.



MARS PATTERN REAVER TITAN (BODY ONLY) (IA-TTN-E-032)
£438.00


REAVER TITAN APOCALYPSE MISSILE LAUNCHER (CARAPACE ONLY) (IA-TTN-E-033)
£55.50


REAVER TITAN LASER BLASTER (ARM ONLY) (IA-TTN-E-035)
£55.50


REAVER TITAN GATLING BLASTER (ARM ONLY) (IA-TTN-E-034)
£55.50


MARS PATTERN WARHOUND TITAN BODY (IA-TTN-E-038)
£526.00


MARS PATTERN PLASMA BLASTGUN (RIGHT ARM) (IA-TTN-E-040)
£39.00


MARS PATTERN VULCAN MEGA BOLTER (LEFT ARM) (IA-TTN-E-039)
£39.00


MARS PATTERN TURBO LASER (IA-TTN-E-051)
£39.00


MARS PATTERN INFERNO CANNON (IA-TTN-E-050)
£39.00



Totals

Subtotal : £1286.50

Estimated delivery : £0.00

Total : £1286.50


You probably forgot a Warhound body. This math says it's a savings of 160 of those squiggly British moneys.

Yeah, as with many other things, FW do bundles in what might be considered the conventional sense, much like doing previews and many other things that GW proper don't, and despite charging a premium that would make Bernie Madoff blush, have substantially fewer issues with their public relations than GW pretty much anywhere you go.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

I think you did it wrong.

You are correct sir, I didn't add it wrong though. I just looked at it wrong. I saw 1286 and somehow thought it was 1126, which is 2 less than the package of 1128. I didn't write the numbers down, I tried doing it in my head, and when I did it twice and thought the result was the same...

So hey, it's about 150 off, which is about 13% discount.

Not bad, and I don't know FW overhead, I would think 10% is a standard starting discount, and 20% is a pretty nice discount, so 13 is in there somewhere. But can't I get 20% off the top of GW stuff if I buy from an independent online store? If that's the case I would hope for 30% off if I'm dropping near a grand in one purchase.

Nope, the only place to buy FW is from FW, so they don't have the same commercial pressures as standard GW, ergo it genuinely is good for them to offer a discount, because their situation is somewhat more of a bubble than mainstream GW.

 jabbakahut wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

I think you did it wrong.

You are correct sir, I didn't add it wrong though. I just looked at it wrong. I saw 1286 and somehow thought it was 1126, which is 2 less than the package of 1128. I didn't write the numbers down, I tried doing it in my head, and when I did it twice and thought the result was the same...

So hey, it's about 150 off, which is about 13% discount.

Not bad, and I don't know FW overhead, I would think 10% is a standard starting discount, and 20% is a pretty nice discount, so 13 is in there somewhere. But can't I get 20% off the top of GW stuff if I buy from an independent online store? If that's the case I would hope for 30% off if I'm dropping near a grand in one purchase.

I've never even contemplated such a large purchase, but I do wonder what progress you could make calling them up and pitching a deeper discount.

That was my biggest laugh about the "Entire Ultramarines Chapter!" bundle. If you were really predisposed and adequately funded to drop over ten thousand dollars on a single purchase, one would imagine you'd hold a certain amount of bargaining power. Like buying a car with cash versus financing, etc.

GW's trash, what did you expect?

 masterdrom wrote:
GW's trash, what did you expect?

Yeah, really objective and useful.

 masterdrom wrote:
GW's trash, what did you expect?

See, it's posts like this which is the reason why people dismiss valid criticism as just ranting/whining. Please try to refrain from doing this in the future, it makes everybody look bad.

Oh, wow. You spend in the range of 1300 GBP and they offer you like 10%. Ain't that incredible... I don't think that forgeworld understands the concept of buying in bulk any better than GW.

As for the required weapons for squads - Forgeworld (and some 3rd party suppliers) offer weapon sprues. The prices are horrendous if you ask me, but hey, it's that or buying other boxes.

Funny though, how even chinese recasters are willing to offer you another 10-15 % off, while GW won't shed a dime on a 300-500€ package.