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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
You know what I just realized?

The infantry kit doesn't come with the "long" base for the Sniper-rifle. According to the product page be just get 10 25mm bases.

Boo... Even just for aesthetics I wanted to build a few of those.

I think they simply forgot to add it to the description, I would bet anything that these kits come with one, otherwise it'd be a strange thing to include in all your promotional materials for a brand new release.

Well, the giving away -1 T in assaults is just gravy, and apparently "free" as point-allowances go.

Plus it makes me smirk to think of my generic bolt-pistol/ccw Thunderwolves wounding MEQs on 2's if my inevitable ally Vanguards assault first. :-p

Im not so sure. Unsupported the rangers are certainly more versitile, with precision shots and all. Hitting on 3s wounding on 3s is better than hitting on 4s wounding on 2s. The rangers cost more though right...
Nevermind, forgot to factor in the FNP. It would be enough to push them over the top in an unsurpoted dueloff.

also Pulse carbines are AP 5, galvaic rifles are AP 4. meaning the firewarriors wouldn't ignore the Rangers armor but the rangers would ignore theirs.

BrianDavion wrote:

Im not so sure. Unsupported the rangers are certainly more versitile, with precision shots and all. Hitting on 3s wounding on 3s is better than hitting on 4s wounding on 2s. The rangers cost more though right...
Nevermind, forgot to factor in the FNP. It would be enough to push them over the top in an unsurpoted dueloff.

also Pulse carbines are AP 5, galvaic rifles are AP 4. meaning the firewarriors wouldn't ignore the Rangers armor but the rangers would ignore theirs.

Ahh
I thought pulse were AP4, probably because I dont know Tau to well and just always assumed they had rapid fire heavy bolters.


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well, the giving away -1 T in assaults is just gravy, and apparently "free" as point-allowances go.

Plus it makes me smirk to think of my generic bolt-pistol/ccw Thunderwolves wounding MEQs on 2's if my inevitable ally Vanguards assault first. :-p

Or ID lots of stuff.

 Exergy wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Im not so sure. Unsupported the rangers are certainly more versitile, with precision shots and all. Hitting on 3s wounding on 3s is better than hitting on 4s wounding on 2s. The rangers cost more though right...
Nevermind, forgot to factor in the FNP. It would be enough to push them over the top in an unsurpoted dueloff.

also Pulse carbines are AP 5, galvaic rifles are AP 4. meaning the firewarriors wouldn't ignore the Rangers armor but the rangers would ignore theirs.

Ahh
I thought pulse were AP4, probably because I dont know Tau to well and just always assumed they had rapid fire heavy bolters.

I don't know em too well eaither and am just going by the weapons listing in the old 6th ed book. it could, I suppose, be in error

 Toofast wrote:
Dreads take more effort to kill than the equivalent points in tac marines and can put out as much firepower and they're so awful that nobody fields them any more.

Helbrutes are doing great if you support them. But that's mostly due to formations.

Anywayz, mellee ostriches look really really good ruleswise (although, i think they're modelled odd for admech). Walkers get real benefits from getting squadronned and this little guys are very fast and choppy. Support them with shrowded and they have 3+ cover in the open. And they'll wreck most things on the charge.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Rangers feel a little underwhelming. I LOVE their look much more than Vanguard, but more points for Move-Through-Cover, and longer ranged, but generally less wound-creating guns almost feels like a flat down-grade.

The designer in me would much rather ditch move-through-cover but add Scout/Infiltrate.

I'm the opposite actually XD I love the looks and rules of the ranges much more. high rate of precision shots sounds like a dream come true

But is it a high rate of shots? It's only Rapid Fire at 15', meaning for LESS points, at 18' Vanguards get significantly MORE shots, and more over-all wounds between the shots and Rad special rule. Plus, Vanguard range synergizes better with the likely common Arc Rifles/Rapid Fire Haywire.

Like I said, I LOVE how Rangers look, but I think Vanguard may just outright be "better" if you're being a hardcore number cruncher.

Vanguard do not precision, so you cant take out buffers/hidden weapons.

And as my experiance with pulse carbines tells me, 18" is awefully close for a squishy shooty unit.

From the few models/units we know now the haywire is the most powerfull aspect IMO.
And i find it typical, but also quite logical, that mechanicus has the best anti-mechanic weaponry.

And if that is in any way possible, i want some of these to deal with Wave Serpents in tournaments.

I will buy a few of the models anyway, i like them.
But i will go for the whole army (like i do with Harlequins), this will become a detachment.

If they get some sort of fast or outflanking transport, assaulting WS with them might be a viable tactic.

How do you guys think the skitarii rangers compare to other ranger units, sm scouts, eldar, ratlings etc?

 Ratius wrote:
How do you guys think the skitarii rangers compare to other ranger units, sm scouts, eldar, ratlings etc?

Well considering they are relentless and so can move and shoot full range, can have a variety of powerful weapons, can double tap at half range, and generally will be able to threaten quite a bit of the board due to cover reducing shots and such, and it's harder to snipe the Alpha out due to him being W2...Yeah no real contest.

Doesn't hurt that ratlings are terrible, rangers are just bad compared to more wave serpents, and scouts are mostly just used as backfield objective settlers if your not using Tac,

The only issue is your not wounding bigger models on a 4+ and have a chance at rending.

I'm not sure I'd really compare rangers to a unit like SM scouts anyway.

Fair enough, I havent read their rules so was just pondering.

 Ratius wrote:
How do you guys think the skitarii rangers compare to other ranger units, sm scouts, eldar, ratlings etc?

most of those units are really any good. Perhaps Deathmarks?

Had a thought about Skittari. Will the new army mean an increase in Power Maul useage? Seems a power maul is ideally set up against Skitarii. It wounds everything on 2s, it denies all skitarii armor saves, and it will ID any skitarii model, denying them FNP.

Look at the new infilatrators and ruststalkers. How would they do charging into a unit armed with power mauls? Even just 1 power maul will likely kill 2 very expensive models.

 Exergy wrote:
Had a thought about Skittari. Will the new army mean an increase in Power Maul useage? Seems a power maul is ideally set up against Skitarii. It wounds everything on 2s, it denies all skitarii armor saves, and it will ID any skitarii model, denying them FNP.

Look at the new infilatrators and ruststalkers. How would they do charging into a unit armed with power mauls? Even just 1 power maul will likely kill 2 very expensive models.

Or just shoot it with auto cannons

 Desubot wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
Had a thought about Skittari. Will the new army mean an increase in Power Maul useage? Seems a power maul is ideally set up against Skitarii. It wounds everything on 2s, it denies all skitarii armor saves, and it will ID any skitarii model, denying them FNP.

Look at the new infilatrators and ruststalkers. How would they do charging into a unit armed with power mauls? Even just 1 power maul will likely kill 2 very expensive models.

Or just shoot it with auto cannons

some armies have easier access to power mauls then autocannons


that said it depends on how many people pick up the new army and run it.

I picked up 4 boxes of their basic troops. Was thinking of running 4x 5 man ranger squads with 2 arc rifles each (by casting what I need) but I am not sure what to make the 2 10 man squads. I really like the basic cancer gun. Should i go 9, and the squad leader with some meelee backup. I also ordered 2 of their elite troops, and plan to get at least 3 spider tanks, because spider tanks. Where would you go next for a competative meta.

I shall be going down the road of spider tank swarms at 90 points a pop with some basic troop hordes. Possibly ally with inquisition with even more hordes of guys and vehicles.

It's going to be my expression on MSU since it's very much skyfire capable list to take on those penta flyrants. Also should have enough targets to make it really hard for wraith spam to chew through in any decent amount of time.

I don't do a whole lot of competitive stuff, but I really think that the Autocannon Balistarii shouldn't be counted out, especially in larger squadrons. Yes, it's expensive, but with 4-6 of those things in a squadron, you can put some real Precision-shot pressure on special weapons and characters, and still be able to shoot down plenty of light vehicles.

The army has a lot of great synergy on it's own, but it's obviously made to be an allied force. Make your Warlord something more durable in your ally, and use the Skitarii to bring that juicy anti-air, cheap troops, and counter-assault units that other IoM forces just plainly lack.

drbored wrote:
I don't do a whole lot of competitive stuff, but I really think that the Autocannon Balistarii shouldn't be counted out, especially in larger squadrons. Yes, it's expensive, but with 4-6 of those things in a squadron, you can put some real Precision-shot pressure on special weapons and characters, and still be able to shoot down plenty of light vehicles.

The army has a lot of great synergy on it's own, but it's obviously made to be an allied force. Make your Warlord something more durable in your ally, and use the Skitarii to bring that juicy anti-air, cheap troops, and counter-assault units that other IoM forces just plainly lack.

I dunno some of those warlord traits are pretty tastey, and are they really any worse for durability then say a IG CCS?

I'm not sure how worthwhile a discussion on the Skitarii codex is when I believe the vast majority of AdMech players will probably want to use the full codex instead of this narrower version.

Well, I think Skitarii should be used as gap fillers aka allies, not as main force.
They are simply not versatile enough.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm not sure how worthwhile a discussion on the Skitarii codex is when I believe the vast majority of AdMech players will probably want to use the full codex instead of this narrower version.

which might come out in 2 months or 2 years. Until we know when the larger admech release is, Skitarii is what we have.

Also the full admech codex wont give everything scout, might not give everything the same doctrine imperitives, and might have additional rules we dont know about.


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 sudojoe wrote:
I shall be going down the road of spider tank swarms at 90 points a pop with some basic troop hordes.

Really need to see how much the neutron laser costs to determine if these guys are viable. The AA option is great, but I think it's best to have only 1 of the three outfitted for AA. Unless you know you are facing flyrants, serpent spam, DE, or cron air.

Warlord Trait number 6 - warlord and unit fire BS 4. Vanguard and their sergeant equivalent being warlord, that would be like 15 shots possible hitting on 3+! That would be a nasty spring trap on unexpected nid/equivalent players as they charge their standard units thinking they could kill your warlord and you basic unit, what a nope that would be in their face.

 Exergy wrote:


which might come out in 2 months or 2 years. Until we know when the larger admech release is, Skitarii is what we have.

Also the full admech codex wont give everything scout, might not give everything the same doctrine imperitives, and might have additional rules we dont know about.

We know from the leaked white dwarf pics that the full codex will be out in the next couple of weeks. This was already reported by every trustworthy rumor source and now it has been verified and discussed at length in the rumors forum.

I must have missed the pics as I haven't seen them in the rumor thread... then again at the rate posts are added to it that isn't hard.

Lords of War have said full codex release in May, so at least 3/4 weeks but more likely 6/7.

So still a fair way out (by current GW standards) if they are correct.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I must have missed the pics as I haven't seen them in the rumor thread... then again at the rate posts are added to it that isn't hard.

Lords of War have said full codex release in May, so at least 3/4 weeks but more likely 6/7.

So still a fair way out (by current GW standards) if they are correct.

This follows GWs present release pattern; we didn't get the Skitarii codex until the third week of releases. So three more weeks and we have the other half of the AdMech codex units and the codex.