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I was just gonna leave it lie, but what the hell.

Thanks WM players, I'll remember that when I'm wearing my unassuming black shirt.

First off. My vitriol is levelled not at a particular game or game makers, but rather this community. I have found literally 2 people worth talking to, one of which I've had the pleasure of meeting and gaming with in real life. I daresay that person will defend my non-waac status, and if not, well then we clearly haven't played enough games! Lol

Yes. Okay. These two games are different. Sure. The mechanics are totally different and do different things. On the surface. However the point I'm trying to make, is that both these games are, at the core of it, very similar. In fact, they are both games played with dolls and dice. No amount of RAT plus STR minus d6 charge range is going to change that.

I'm here to tell you that these percieved superiorities or differences matter not a damn jot. Why does there need to be a better game? Isn't the value of such things based solely on the player and their preference?

I came here to suggest that maybe a player could enjoy both platforms equally and that, in the grand scheme of things, we would all be better off by accepting that.

So go ahead and claim your thrones, I don't care. I am going to enjoy both these things on my own.

What set me off? Well gee, getting lumped in as "their kind" smacks of prejudice, and I don't really appreciate it. Perhaps "my kind" just pisses me off so bad that I can't really reconcile my love of the game with the attitudes of the people I meet online?

You know, I got into this hobby thinking it would be a great way for me to stretch my oft-forgotten social wings. Instead I quickly realized that my "friends" just wanted fresh meat to pwn. Coming to what is hailed as the premier online hobby community, I find the same thing. People are more than willing to play nice... Until you try to tell them 1 Canoptek Spyder means 1 model, or that IH CT works on vehicles... Then watch as the slavering hounds of hell are unleashed... I thought we were friends? What happened?

So you know what? I'm sorry that I flew off the handle, I'm sure not everyone is as big a douchebag as you all doubtlessly envision me to be.


And for the record anyone who stands across from me at the gaming table is in for a damn good time. Why? How? Because that's why I'm there! I'm not here to win, I'm not here to be better. I'm just a guy who wants to play some frickin war dollies. Forgive my venom. Age of Sigmar is coming...

 darkcloak wrote:
I was just gonna leave it lie, but what the hell.

Thanks WM players, I'll remember that when I'm wearing my unassuming black shirt.

First off. My vitriol is levelled not at a particular game or game makers, but rather this community. I have found literally 2 people worth talking to, one of which I've had the pleasure of meeting and gaming with in real life. I daresay that person will defend my non-waac status, and if not, well then we clearly haven't played enough games! Lol

Yes. Okay. These two games are different. Sure. The mechanics are totally different and do different things. On the surface. However the point I'm trying to make, is that both these games are, at the core of it, very similar. In fact, they are both games played with dolls and dice. No amount of RAT plus STR minus d6 charge range is going to change that.

I'm here to tell you that these percieved superiorities or differences matter not a damn jot. Why does there need to be a better game? Isn't the value of such things based solely on the player and their preference?

I came here to suggest that maybe a player could enjoy both platforms equally and that, in the grand scheme of things, we would all be better off by accepting that.

So go ahead and claim your thrones, I don't care. I am going to enjoy both these things on my own.

What set me off? Well gee, getting lumped in as "their kind" smacks of prejudice, and I don't really appreciate it. Perhaps "my kind" just pisses me off so bad that I can't really reconcile my love of the game with the attitudes of the people I meet online?

You know, I got into this hobby thinking it would be a great way for me to stretch my oft-forgotten social wings. Instead I quickly realized that my "friends" just wanted fresh meat to pwn. Coming to what is hailed as the premier online hobby community, I find the same thing. People are more than willing to play nice... Until you try to tell them 1 Canoptek Spyder means 1 model, or that IH CT works on vehicles... Then watch as the slavering hounds of hell are unleashed... I thought we were friends? What happened?

So you know what? I'm sorry that I flew off the handle, I'm sure not everyone is as big a douchebag as you all doubtlessly envision me to be.


And for the record anyone who stands across from me at the gaming table is in for a damn good time. Why? How? Because that's why I'm there! I'm not here to win, I'm not here to be better. I'm just a guy who wants to play some frickin war dollies. Forgive my venom. Age of Sigmar is coming...

If everyone you meet is a jerk, time to look at the common denominator.
Next time you go into a group of people, insult them and then expect them to agree with you, you might want to take a second look at your communication skills.

But seriously. Lighten up.

I'm pretty sure I came here to do exactly what I said I did. So I propose that dollies are dollies. I just gave your mom crabs hey?

I have been playing both games and still my opinion is the same. Games with toy soldiers man!

Why is it such heresy to call a spade a spade?

I came back here to amend my statement and make it clear that all I care about us playing wargames. Apparently that was a bad idea.

So go ahead, think of me what you will. It really has no impact on my life whatsoever.

Again. I'm sorry if any of you feel offended, that was not my intent. I'm not going to abandon my stance and I don't expect anyone else to either. I am willing to concede points, but jump on the bandwagon and hate GW?

I don't need Warmachine to help with that. GW and Dakka do that well enough as is.



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Also maybe some other people could lighten up as well. What I disagree, and thus must be a pox ridden online gamer?

Right out of the gate I'm attacked for taking neither side, by both parties.

Early morning rage posts aside, I don't see what the problem is. I say both games are equally enjoyable, very similar, and probably both worth playing, and suddenly I'm the world's biggest idiot?

This is the exact reason why I love Dakka! It just brings out the best in me!


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Also, you know real life has a tendency to creep into everything one does. So my life is gak. So too apparently is my escape mechanism!

I'm sorry I took that out on a forum, but I'm not sorry for my opinion.

 darkcloak wrote:
I'm pretty sure I came here to do exactly what I said I did. So I propose that dollies are dollies. I just gave your mom crabs hey?

Again. I'm sorry if any of you feel offended, that was not my intent.

Do you not see the discrepency in your tone? On one hand you insult and the other you claim the victim.

Again: Work on your communication skills.

As far as the WMH community goes, i dont see any of them going to the 40k section of the forum and spewing "elitist hate".

 HoverBoy wrote:
As far as the WMH community goes, i dont see any of them going to the 40k section of the forum and spewing "elitist hate".

Well, that'd probably have to be because you don't visit the 40k section much, I'd guess...

Rihgu wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
As far as the WMH community goes, i dont see any of them going to the 40k section of the forum and spewing "elitist hate".

Well, that'd probably have to be because you don't visit the 40k section much, I'd guess...

Although snide remarks happen (every group of people contains jerks), i've noticed no threads solely dedicated to it. Then again i mostly stick to YMDC there, it takes a lot of work to be the local judge.

@Darkcloak

You do have an offensive tone. You may not intend it, but it is present.
As to enjoyment, no one is saying that you can't enjoy both equally. What has been said is the Warmahordes objectively has better rules. That's not really debatable. Whether you enjoy the tighter rules is a separate issue.

 darkcloak wrote:


First off. My vitriol is levelled not at a particular game or game makers, but rather this community. I have found literally 2 people worth talking to, one of which I've had the pleasure of meeting and gaming with in real life. I daresay that person will defend my non-waac status, and if not, well then we clearly haven't played enough games! Lol

Gamers can be rather intense and toxic, especially on the Internet. Thst said, plenty normal people game too - it's not just fat basement dwellers with no social skills or hygiene.

If two people is all you can stand,maybe you need to get out more, and meet other people, or maybe the issue is closer to home? With respect, you've been very abrasive here. It can rub people the wrong way. There is always room to look at, and improve ourselves. And yes, I've been there myself.

But vitriol? Dude, that needs to go. Life's too short.

 darkcloak wrote:


Yes. Okay. These two games are different. Sure. The mechanics are totally different and do different things. On the surface. However the point I'm trying to make, is that both these games are, at the core of it, very similar. In fact, they are both games played with dolls and dice. No amount of RAT plus STR minus d6 charge range is going to change that.

Only in the sense that you roll dice and use toy soldiers. But saying they're 'very similar'? Only in the way that rugby, American football, soccer, basketball, cricket and baseball are 'very similar' because they use a ball... In other words, no, not really.

 darkcloak wrote:

I'm here to tell you that these percieved superiorities or differences matter not a damn jot. Why does there need to be a better game? Isn't the value of such things based solely on the player and their preference?

You're here to tell us? Mate, you're not the gaming messiah!

Play what you want to play. Just be honest about it.

Does there need to be a better gsme? No, but if we are having a debate on which has better rules etc, then we can at least ge objective about it and compare and contrast, and lo and behold, one cones out ahead. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the other though...

 darkcloak wrote:

I came here to suggest that maybe a player could enjoy both platforms equally and that, in the grand scheme of things, we would all be better off by accepting that.

Absolutely. I play multiple wargsmes.so do many others.

 darkcloak wrote:
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What set me off? Well gee, getting lumped in as "their kind" smacks of prejudice, and I don't really appreciate it. Perhaps "my kind" just pisses me off so bad that I can't really reconcile my love of the game with the attitudes of the people I meet online?

You did a good job of setting other people off yourself, You've got a very hostile tone about you...

 darkcloak wrote:

You know, I got into this hobby thinking it would be a great way for me to stretch my oft-forgotten social wings. Instead I quickly realized that my "friends" just wanted fresh meat to pwn. Coming to what is hailed as the premier online hobby community, I find the same thing. People are more than willing to play nice... Until you try to tell them 1 Canoptek Spyder means 1 model, or that IH CT works on vehicles... Then watch as the slavering hounds of hell are unleashed... I thought we were friends? What happened?

Playing hard doesn't necessarily mean wanting to 'pwn'. Doesn't mean you're not friends. I go into a boxing ring and punch mine in the face.

 darkcloak wrote:

So you know what? I'm sorry that I flew off the handle, I'm sure not everyone is as big a douchebag as you all doubtlessly envision me to be.

Apology accepted. Just go easy on the tone in future.

 darkcloak wrote:
I'm pretty sure I came here to do exactly what I said I did. So I propose that dollies are dollies. I just gave your mom crabs hey?

I have been playing both games and still my opinion is the same. Games with toy soldiers man!

Why is it such heresy to call a spade a spade?

Are you aware what a diminutive is? I'm not here to participate in the debate, but this is something I see from time to time and you just provided a perfect example. You didn't call a spade a spade, you used the hobby's most diminutive description. Unless used ironically and with good intentions, calling a hobby like this "toy soldiers" is an insult. You called a spade a spatula. Or a grown human being a child without being their nan or obviously 3 generations older.

Okay and wow...

I'm done. Whatever.

Gaming Messiah. Diminutives.

I'd try to formulate a response but that would just get picked apart wouldn't it?

Okay, I felt like a jerk and tried to say sorry. That's not good enough so whatever. Eat my chromium plated shorts.

Maybe try saying sorry and just leaving it at. "Sorry" sounds a lot more sincere than "sorry, but..."

 darkcloak wrote:
Okay and wow...

I'm done. Whatever.

Gaming Messiah. Diminutives.

I'd try to formulate a response but that would just get picked apart wouldn't it?

Okay, I felt like a jerk and tried to say sorry. That's not good enough so whatever. Eat my chromium plated shorts.

you reap what you sow buddy.

Apologising is cool, understanding why, and Understabding the perspective and opinions of others involved is better. Clearly you don't, and have no interest in doing so.

Social ineptitude aside.

This should be a hobby of inclusion. What ever gaming you are playing, please remember the goal of the game is to win. The PURPOSE of the game is to have fun.

If you ever find yourself across the table from someone who you are having an issue with, just stop and talk to them. See what the deal is and try to come to an agreement of how you both can have fun.

A great example of this is the new player that has been getting stomped into dust. He/she might be getting frustrated with the game and how people are "treating" them. Maybe ask them how they want to play, do they want to be walked through desicions? Do they want to make choices and them show them what they did or could have done? Heck I have spent games jumping to the other side of the table showing them what to look for.

The point is make your meta better. Better at the game. Better and the social aspect. Make it inviting for new people and watch your game grow.