what do they have to do to make Ultrasmurfs cool again

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**j31c3n**

Selym wrote:
Make a poll called: "Would you read a story about Space Marines who fail constantly?"

I thought that was the story of the Soul Drinkers. I love the Soul Drinkers, but I also love a good tragedy.

**hanshotfirst**

they dont fail THAT much.
what about um...
no. they fail at everything.

**Dust**

kronk wrote:

Ultramarines have an excellent Chapter Tactic, possibly the best in the book. Combine that with the benefits of a Battle Company, and you are going to have a hard fight on your hands.

This

I play Sons of Antaeus, one of the old Cursed Founding Chapters, and presently I use Ultramarines rules for them. While it hasn't been outright said that the Sons of Antaeus are descended from the Ultramarines (they don't have much official fluff at all to be honest) it feels appropriate considering the presence of the figure Antaeus in Greek and Berber myth. But they've got solid rules and rules that are markedly different than the other chapters offered. I also play Lamenters (Blood Angels) and Sons of Medusa (Iron Hands) and the Ultramarines rules offer me tactics and characters that perform in ways that I cant get with my other armies.

As for the Ultramarines chapter themselves there's nothing wrong with them. Diehard sticklers to the Codex Astartes with a particular distaste for Tyranids. While they are somewhat "neutral" in their flavoring compared to the other original chapters it's that neutrality that really makes them stand out to me. Its an air of coherency structure that some of the other chapters don't bring to the table and I like that, both in terms of gameplay and narrative.

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j31c3n wrote:
Selym wrote:
Make a poll called: "Would you read a story about Space Marines who fail constantly?"

I thought that was the story of the Soul Drinkers. I love the Soul Drinkers, but I also love a good tragedy.

Soul Drinkers are awesome

Also can't leave out the Lamenters

**Grimmor**

Im gonna point out something a buddy pointed out to me. The Ultramarines are the Worf of WH40k. Just gimme a sec and ill explain.

What happens to Worf in Star Trek? He gets beat up a lot, usually to show how scary the alien of the week is.

What happens to the Ultramariens when a new xenos army shows up, they get the crap kicked out of them. Necrons, they got their

rocked. Nids, they were nearly destroyed. I mean the one time this doesnt happen is in the Tau codex, and there Calgar lets them leave so he can Exterminatus the planet (which happened to be a tomb world).

So ya the "Ultrasmurfs" being "Teh Best Eva" is actually a load of crap. Read Chapter Due, its not pretty for them. And as for being poster boys, didnt the Blood Ravens kinda take that over after Dawn of War?

**Kepora**

Portugal Jones wrote:
Start reading stuff post 5th edition?

The answer to the OP, simple and neat. XD

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Grimmor wrote:
Im gonna point out something a buddy pointed out to me. The Ultramarines are the Worf of WH40k. Just gimme a sec and ill explain.

What happens to Worf in Star Trek? He gets beat up a lot, usually to show how scary the alien of the week is.

What happens to the Ultramariens when a new xenos army shows up, they get the crap kicked out of them. Necrons, they got their rocked. Nids, they were nearly destroyed. I mean the one time this doesnt happen is in the Tau codex, and there Calgar lets them leave so he can Exterminatus the planet (which happened to be a tomb world).

So ya the "Ultrasmurfs" being "Teh Best Eva" is actually a load of crap. Read Chapter Due, its not pretty for them. And as for being poster boys, didnt the Blood Ravens kinda take that over after Dawn of War?

You kidding? Everyone HATES the Blood Ravens - they steal everyone's stuff, man!

**hanshotfirst**

they stole jonah orion form the salamanders

**Selym**

hanshotfirst wrote:
they stole jonah orion form the salamanders

So that's why he's the only black guy.

Apparently they are so good at stealing, even an experienced Librarian does not notice he's changed chapter

**Grimmor**

Kepora wrote:
Grimmor wrote:
Im gonna point out something a buddy pointed out to me. The Ultramarines are the Worf of WH40k. Just gimme a sec and ill explain.

What happens to Worf in Star Trek? He gets beat up a lot, usually to show how scary the alien of the week is.

What happens to the Ultramariens when a new xenos army shows up, they get the crap kicked out of them. Necrons, they got their rocked. Nids, they were nearly destroyed. I mean the one time this doesnt happen is in the Tau codex, and there Calgar lets them leave so he can Exterminatus the planet (which happened to be a tomb world).

So ya the "Ultrasmurfs" being "Teh Best Eva" is actually a load of crap. Read Chapter Due, its not pretty for them. And as for being poster boys, didnt the Blood Ravens kinda take that over after Dawn of War?

You kidding? Everyone HATES the Blood Ravens - they steal everyone's stuff, man!

Selym wrote:
hanshotfirst wrote:
they stole jonah orion form the salamanders
So that's why he's the only black guy.

Apparently they are so good at stealing, even an experienced Librarian does not notice he's changed chapter

Precisely they stole the "Poster Boy" position

**Nightlord1987**

Ultrasmurfs? Psssh, that's why I got me some ultra painted Genesis Chapter marines...in RED!

**rowboatjellyfanxiii**

ansacs wrote:
Ultramarines on the game table are actually amazing. They play absolutely wonderfully and have several top tier builds. I regularly like to play game wise with UM rules.

UM in the fiction are too annoying to be cool. They are that guy who make up a bunch of rules, lose, and then scream how they lost because X reason. Also they are constant going around telling people how they should run stuff...does that sound like anything resembling "cool". They are pretty much the most pedantic stick in the muds in the imperium.

Model wise they have a number of amusing and not cool design choices. The omega symbol used for UM has a very unfortunate similarity to a toilet...often with the toilet paper wrapped on top Their color scheme while being simple to paint and looking surprisingly good when done well also is easy to do poorly and looks like a smurf due to the unrelenting blue that washes out all model detail. UM models without dry brushing and inks look like blue blobbs to most people outside ~4 feet (ie the length of a board).

If all of this wasn't bad enough they also have tons of successor chapters. This means most of the good painters that want to play "UM" tend to gravitate off into a successor chapter. IMO this has lead to a severe lack of well painted UM armies. I have seen less that 1 in 20 UM that are painted to anything looking even decent. On the other hand DA, BA, GK, and SW are usually more like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10. Alot of it is the UM blue is just a bad color to show model detail until and unless the painter puts in real techniques and effort...actually a lot like their chapter tactics. Seems easy at first glance but actually requires finesse to do well.

Captain Sicarius, despite his plot armour, had his ass kicked several a time, and he went "feth this gak" because he wanted an actual ground victory.

No chapter is perfect, I chose Ultramarines because storm bolters on power fists are cool.

So are Lv 3 psykers.

**KaptinBadrukk**

Uhhh....join the Blood Angels? Bring Roboute Gulliman back to life? Take some tactics from other chapters? I dunno.........