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 Reinholt wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?

The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.

This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.

For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.

Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.

I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...

 Art Steventon wrote:
I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...

I find having terrible data reporting systems at work makes it really easy.

 Reinholt wrote:
Ironically I was told not to post here because I use orange, yet I have only ever been warned on Warseer (and deserved it, as I was swearing up a storm at someone).

Rose-colored glasses when people divide themselves into groups, always. I will fade back into the night, though I will say this: at least some of the people on Warseer who made it worth reading will simply walk away, rather than continue with the hobby.

This is always the real tragedy of things vanishing.

That's weird. It's a shame you got told off for the orange text, I really couldn't care less what colour someone posts in. I'm sure I've seen other posters posting in Lilac or something!

I used to go over to Warseer to read your stuff when the accounts came out.

Isn't orange used for Mod speak? And I would be worried to hear they told you not to post, but rather I imagine it was simply 'don't post in orange' surely?

I thought red was the standard for mod speak then a few of them picked up orange. The orange is a bit better to read than the red on the default theme though.

angryboy2k wrote:

 Reinholt wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?

The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.

This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.

For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.

Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.

I second this. There was a lot of interesting threads that was simply locked without warning as apart to having the thread split off, or even a remeinder of keeping stuff on topic, which contributed to traffic starting to dwindle on the forum quite a bit. That would be my main criticism of the moderation on Warseer.

I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?

So it's ok for the Mods to do what they claim you do and ban you for it? I guess in Warseer it's "do as I say, not as I do.".

I am just curious what are the Mods doing now. Having no power, they must be going crazy.

That being said, Warseer was a good site. It was my first site because when I used Yahoo or what ever it was at the time for search engines, Warseer was the first link posted for 40K forums. I have become a Whineseer. I am shocked what other nerd and geeks being faceless can turn you into. Thing is I looked in the mirror and saying "what have I become". Funny once I stopped becoming a whine seer, I got banned for what Mods do. I guess it's ok for a Mod to say or do something but we can't.

Oh well, I am glad I got banned. If I never got banned, I would have never found Dakka. I Love this place.

 Da Boss wrote:

 Reinholt wrote:
Ironically I was told not to post here because I use orange, yet I have only ever been warned on Warseer (and deserved it, as I was swearing up a storm at someone).

Rose-colored glasses when people divide themselves into groups, always. I will fade back into the night, though I will say this: at least some of the people on Warseer who made it worth reading will simply walk away, rather than continue with the hobby.

This is always the real tragedy of things vanishing.

That's weird. It's a shame you got told off for the orange text, I really couldn't care less what colour someone posts in. I'm sure I've seen other posters posting in Lilac or something!

I used to go over to Warseer to read your stuff when the accounts came out.

It's actually specified in the rules that no colour should be applied to full texts. I believe the reason for this is because we use it as a way for people to separate between when a mod is acting a 'modly' capacity, and when they're just posting like normal. It also keeps text visible for people using certain ways of accessing Dakka. So it's not an unreasonable or pointless request.

I feel I should mention here to prevent any misconceptions of mods wielding their banehammers, that there was no 'telling off' involved with Mr Reinholt. When the above was pointed out in an extremely polite/friendly tone, he decided he preferred to stick to Warseer where he could use his coloured text because it is easier for posting using his phone. Which is fair enough all around. No arguments, chastisements, or anything like that.

 Reinholt wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?

The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.

This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.

Anyone else finding this post really hard to read? Some font problems or something.

I find all of Reinholt's posts hard to read because I use the worksafe theme with white background rather than the default black one and orange on white is especially hard to read. That's what you have to take into account; nobody minds you using whatever colour you want but you have to appreciate that not everyone uses the default theme.

angryboy2k wrote:

 Reinholt wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?

The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.

This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.

For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.

Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.

This reminds me of another of my few warnings I received on warseer! Once I created a thread on a topic that I knew would create a bunch of barely related whining (was a background question, I knew it was going to create game mechanic complaints). As a background question I stated any complaints about game mechanics would be reported as off topic/spam and should be made elsewhere... imagine my surprise to receive a warning for 'threatening behaviour' :S.

 Zywus wrote:
I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.

Back to the moral judgements based on 'feeling' and ignoring evidence, then.

 Vermis wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.

Back to the moral judgements based on 'feeling' and ignoring evidence, then.

Are you implying I ever stopped?

But seriously, "ignoring evidence"? What evidence has been brought forth here?

 Zywus wrote:
I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.

Are the ban made public now?

I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.

As the original poster, it looks like I have some news. I just tried going to Warseer, and now, instead of a "website unavailable" screen, I get a bunch of info about how the site is under maintenance or upgrades.

It's currently appearing as a white 404 page saying the requested URL couldn't be found on the server when I try to access the site via Google on IPad Safari browser.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.

Are the ban made public now?

Not more than the status of accounts being changed to "banned". Though that change would show up on any post made by that account.

Now that's interesting!

I never knew that!

Is that a new thing, or has it always been like that?

 Alpharius wrote:
Now that's interesting!

I never knew that!

Is that a new thing, or has it always been like that?

Pretty much standard for vbulletin based forums.

 Alpharius wrote:
Now that's interesting!

I never knew that!

Is that a new thing, or has it always been like that?

It's an important auxiliary tool when I'm conducting one of my "investigations."

Huh!

Well, I'm glad to hear that it has such far reaching...benefits!

 Zywus wrote:
Not more than the status of accounts being changed to "banned". Though that change would show up on any post made by that account.

I'd go there and check for the number of banned accounts and check my own posts that got me banned… but… well, I can't .

 wuestenfux wrote:
I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.

Good idea, on a thread where so many people complained about Warseer mods silencing people they didn't like and being proud of Dakka being different, let's do the exact same thing we say they were doing! That will show them that we are not a bunch of liars and hypocrites!... no wait a second, something doesn't sound right with my reasoning...

So if I may ask, and I know I can, why do you want them to not talk and what warrant that thread to be closed? Are you afraid that if tensions, miscommunications and bitterness start dropping down a few levels, we may suddenly realize that Warseer posters are not the source of evil some people believe them to be? That's a bad thing how exactly? I assume I don't risk being banned for asking.

I may have my own beef with Warseer moderation, but personally I think that that thread make Dakka look considerably more aggressive and petty than it truly is, which is a shame.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.

Good idea, on a thread where so many people complained about Warseer mods silencing people they didn't like and being proud of Dakka being different, let's do the exact same thing we say they were doing! That will show them that we are not a bunch of liars and hypocrites!... no wait a second, something doesn't sound right with my reasoning...

So if I may ask, and I know I can, why do you want them to not talk and what warrant that thread to be closed? Are you afraid that if tensions, miscommunications and bitterness start dropping down a few levels, we may suddenly realize that Warseer posters are not the source of evil some people believe them to be? That's a bad thing how exactly? Are you a mod here, do I risk being banned for daring to ask that question?

Why would it be a joke? Since early in the thread wuestenfux position regarding Warseer looked crystal clear.

Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date

Well, I say hopefully...

Charax wrote:
Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date

Well, I say hopefully...

I'm using Edge and am getting a 404 not found.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:
Why would it be a joke? Since early in the thread wuestenfux position regarding Warseer looked crystal clear.

Why would it not be? You say yourself that their position regarding Warseer is clear, why would they suddenly switch not just to imitating the forum they dislike, but imitating their main criticism of it, if not simply to make a joke? Making clearly contradictory or ironic statements for the purposes of humour and comedic effect is very common, whereas criticising someone for doing something and immediately copying it yourself is, outside of politics, comparatively rare. It's certainly far more reasonable to assume it wasn't a serious suggestion.