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2014/08/22 19:10:57
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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I don't think so. So far I think they are all add ons, though the $100 pledge gets a sampling of the figures added in.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings. |
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2014/08/22 19:13:12
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Sirio wrote:I like the concepts from Mantic, hope they have some sculpts ready too however, after the Kings of War experience, I opt to wait first. I'm pretty sure these figs will bring even more people in however!
Apparently, we will be avoiding Basilean-gate this time as Mantic's QC policies have been tightened up a notch or two and their plastic Enforcers for DZ will be rigorously checked before dispatching them to their customers. Hence the delays.
Also @CptJake and BobtheInquisitor
That appears to be the only one so far..
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2014/08/22 19:17:52
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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angelofvengeance wrote:Sirio wrote:I like the concepts from Mantic, hope they have some sculpts ready too however, after the Kings of War experience, I opt to wait first. I'm pretty sure these figs will bring even more people in however!
Apparently, we will be avoiding Basilean-gate this time as Mantic's QC policies have been tightened up a notch or two and their plastic Enforcers for DZ will be rigorously checked before dispatching them to their customers. Hence the delays.
Only true if their QC policies hold for the new materials. Kicking back expensive tools for hard plastics until the requirement is met may not affect how they handle restic and the new toy plastic. I hope they tighten it all up, but until I see similar announcements about kicking back products made from other materials for QC reasons I'm not going to hold my breath.
/still ticked at the restic messes that are my marauder guntracks and DZ rebels. Automatically Appended Next Post:
That isn't the full blown expansion added to the $100 pledge, that is a couple of figures and a scenario from the expansion.
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2014/08/22 19:20:58
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I may have misunderstood what they were trying to say there CptJake lol. Sorry.My mistake.
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2014/08/22 19:25:55
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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No biggie. They are definitely adding to the base pledge, and including not only the couple of figs, but the scenario too is pretty cool.
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2014/08/22 19:52:54
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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I went ahead and put my 25$ in for the new expansion, but I'm not sure about it. The Demons look way too cartoony, even more so than GWs. I will have to wait and see a little more before making a final decision. I would have been happy with abyssal dwarves instead of them trying out a new race (for them).
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2014/08/22 19:56:35
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $475k stretch goal: free Arianya, Naiad Demonhunter
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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timetowaste85 wrote:Abyssals are being shown now. I think they've got kind of a Japanese Oni look to them personally, and I'm not a huge fan. Seeing as this is their plan for the lesser ones, I'm going to continue with my plan to use GW ones for the lessers. I'm sure others will love this style. But I don't.
Have you seen the Shieldwolf mountain orcs? They look like demons, but you get twice as many for the same price.
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2014/08/22 19:58:13
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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squall018 wrote:I went ahead and put my 25$ in for the new expansion, but I'm not sure about it. The Demons look way too cartoony, even more so than GWs. I will have to wait and see a little more before making a final decision. I would have been happy with abyssal dwarves instead of them trying out a new race (for them).
Well I think we should reserve judgment til the dollies sculpts are shown. You can always send em back or sell em if you don't like the models IMO.
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2014/08/22 20:32:45
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $475k stretch goal: free Arianya, Naiad Demonhunter
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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ced1106 wrote:True. BGG isn't entirely happy that the Advanced Rules haven't been shown yet, either, not that they're developed for the public yet. OTOH, Jake *has* designed games with "non-gamer" requirements: Foundry games hired him to make games to sell Foundry miniatures,
Which games with Foundry? The only one I'm aware of is God of Battles, and Jake talked about how he was already writing it on his blog - he wanted it to be Kings of War but found out that Alessio had already been hired by Ronnie to write it, and so he shopped it over to Foundry. My guess is that Warlord might have been next stop.
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2014/08/22 21:13:06
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $475k stretch goal: free Arianya, Naiad Demonhunter
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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So's yours because I didn't want to spend more than $100, and the extras were overpriced.
No, but seriously, some of these KS get complicated with the add-ons, so if everyone can note the best-priced add-ons for which gamers, I think we could all benefit. Frex, on the BGG forum, I'm maintaining a thread of which DS add-ons are best for boardgamers who don't want to assemble stuff. More importantly...
I suppose my thinking was that Heroquest might just adopt the rules (or have something similar at least) to the original game. I know the guy who wrote Heroquest and Space Crusade (I forget his name) disappeared off the face of the earth after making those games, so I'm not sure where IP would fall in that kind of situation?
On BGG, we discussed (to the point of naseum) about HQ copyrights. Basically, just because the game hasn't been in print for umpteen years, doesn't mean that Hasbro still can't seek litigation against GameZone. (There is no "abandonware", as Steve Jackson would have told you prior to the Ogre KS.) Most litigation results in a settlement (see irony below), so the question is *NOT* whether or not any of this IP brouhaha is legal, but what sort of settlement Hasbro and GZ would have, when Hasbro goes after them. (Hasbro went after a French fansite when someone made a copy of HQ and tried selling it on eBay!) Previous Hasbro litigation suggests that they will not act until they have evidence (eg. Hex's beta) that could stand up in court. Actual published GZ rules would be much stronger evidence than a slideshow of an eight-sided die. Hasbro also seems to be slow to act, meaning that HQ25 backers may get their swag before Hasbro does anything. Again, most court cases like these do not reach the court, so the usual hypothetical legal armchair wrangling you see on forum threads is likely to be more flame than applicability. AFAIK, The original designer still works for Hasbro, but that doesn't matter, since Hasbro has the copyrights, not the designer.
The Spanish gaming website .jugamostodos.org has an article of Hasbro litigation against Falomir, publisher of Spanish tribute / knock-off games. Most of these knock-offs are for *traditional family games*, and one suit *did* go to Spanish courts. IIRC, It took something like a year to settle, and during that time games *were* available for purchase. I posted a thread collecting Hasbro IP litigations against various companies (including a movie company!) here: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1187321/hasbro-sues-cryptozoic-june-2014-sweetpea-entertai
EDIT: If you want to discuss more about HQ, go to the Dakka thread about it, or the BGG forum.
EDIT EDIT: Mantic GenCon photos! : https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.709374572469047.1073741837.636292483110590&type=1
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2014/08/22 21:55:25
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $475k stretch goal: free Arianya, Naiad Demonhunter
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[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:Abyssals are being shown now. I think they've got kind of a Japanese Oni look to them personally, and I'm not a huge fan. Seeing as this is their plan for the lesser ones, I'm going to continue with my plan to use GW ones for the lessers. I'm sure others will love this style. But I don't.
Have you seen the Shieldwolf mountain orcs? They look like demons, but you get twice as many for the same price.
While you do get quite a few, the plastics are not really very good, in my opinion. You get a big gap where the head joins the neck, and the details on the sides are questionable. YMMV, of course.
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2014/08/23 07:26:07
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Does anyone know if the two KoW packs are going to be used as some sort of scenario? I just noticed them and I'm debating on how much I should up my pledge by...
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2014/08/23 07:44:13
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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I think the KOW packs are for the dwarfs king hold scenarios that are going to be added.
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2014/08/23 07:45:23
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
Cincinnati
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There are different packs though... They have some that are DKH-specific, and then others that are an "undead pack", and a "goblin pack"
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2014/08/23 09:43:33
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Dakka Veteran
London
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Ah - those are for use in advanced games, presumably using custom scenarios. They're currently including rules for all Orc, goblin and undead KoW models for the advanced mode of DS, and these packs are essentially discounted 'samplers' of some of the types that might fit well into a custom dungeon.
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2014/08/23 11:32:43
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
London
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Well on Jakes blog it states no more than 4 skel warriors on the board at one time - might their be a cap of 4 of each type of model? (I think DKH had a limit of 12 skellie warriors.)
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2014/08/23 14:05:01
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Of course, if you're customising your games, or running with a GM, you can house-rule anything you please...
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2014/08/23 14:32:54
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $475k stretch goal: free Arianya, Naiad Demonhunter
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ced1106 wrote:So's yours because I didn't want to spend more than $100
fair enough - the $150 pledge level was much, much better than the $100 one.
Well, that depends on what you bought. Most of the add-on prices were either in line with discounted retail or better. (The Escalation bundle was especially good, and try finding KOW zombies for $15 with free shipping anywhere.) Some are still hard to judge (what will a Stompy Robot go for at retail?) But Mars Attacks definitely featured one of the worst deals in Mantic KS history; I'm thinking of the $8 they were asking for individual board game plastic figures. They've become more reasonable since then: In DBX they charged $5 for the same, and now in Dungeon Saga they're charging $8 for individual resin minis. I'm very glad I decided not to add-on any individual Mars Attacks figures.
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2014/08/23 15:53:55
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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After having a read through the alpha rules they seem promising, although I realise this is the basic form.
The hitting/defending mechanic is interesting, very similar to the game 'Spartacus: Blood on the Sand' in terms of how you match attack and defence dice (comparing high rolls). Having a 'kill' level for basic minions is a good idea, rather than tracking wounds - I know from experience this can be a PITA (and cause arguments) in similar games.
And it's good that the defending player gets to roll some dice, and stays involved and focused on the game during the opponents turn.
That's me sold, will at very least be going in for the $100 level (which is actually pretty good with the current exchange rate, about £60). Then it will be a waiting game between this and Heroquest as to which will arrive first! Although, I can already guess which that will be..
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2014/08/23 16:13:37
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Good to hear positive feedback on the rules, I need to demo a game for myself but I haven't had time. Automatically Appended Next Post: Holy crap! Those painted pledge levels just blew the half million goal out of the water, helloooo Fiends! Impatiently awaiting that update!
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2014/08/23 18:03:28
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Another update, guess the $500,000 one will be next as the KS has just passed that figure.
Project Update #34: Top Drawer
Seems like we’re getting closer to having a brand new enemy to fight against!
With just over 9 days until this Kickstarter campaign closes, we’re launching two epic new pledge levels.
Painted Dungeon Master!
Dungeon Saga contains colored plastic models ready-to-play right out of the box, although you can paint them like we have to accentuate the details.
Of course, it's not always easy finding the time to sit painting. You might not have painted before either - it certainly isn’t a requirement to enjoy the game.
However, if you did want a painted set, today we’ve launched the Painted Dungeon Master level.
That’s all the miniatures and furniture you see in the pledge graphic below plus any additional stretch goal rewards we add in, painted to a great tabletop standard:
By pledging for this level, we will do all the hard work for you – all you need to do is choose what colour scheme you want your miniatures painted in. This means you’ll get a fully painted set to play with and display, right out of the box.
Not only that but if you want the expansion sets doing as well, we can sort that out for you too. Just message us
Design your own hero!
Ever seen yourself as an adventurer? Always had an idea for a miniature but never been able to realise it? Thought of a great character that should exist but doesn’t? The design-your-hero pledge allows you to bring your imagination to life on the tabletop.
With this pledge level, we will work with you to develop your character into a miniature. It can be hero or a villain, male, female or something else, but must be on foot/hoof/claw. From background to concept, sculpt to finished painted model, we’ll take your brief and feedback to create a new character.
You will receive a resin copy of the miniature and signed artwork from the artist, and can choose whether we make it available for others to pledge for, or if you want to be the only person who gets one.
This is great for collectors, but what happens if you want to game with it?
Well, you’ll get to have a say in the games design behind the model. You can inform their equipment, personality, how they fight and how it undertakes adventures. These rules will then be printed in the Dungeon Journal, and you’ll get everything you need to play with the character in Dungeon Saga!
Case-study: Jullius and Samacris
We ran a previous Kickstarter for our mass fantasy battle game Kings of War. We had a special pledge level which we ended up customising heavily for a gentleman called Julian Chan who wanted a model made for himself and his new wife, Sam.
We worked with Julian and Sam to develop two Basilean Elohi characters: Jullius and Samacris. Unlike other Elohi, Jullius has a distinct scaly dragon theme running through his artwork.
Samacris is emblazoned with symbols of the phoenix, right down to the fiery wings.
Julian and Sam had the models made in their own likeness meaning they could literally be on the ground as general of their own army.
New Pledge Levels
So there you have it – two brand new pledge levels are available in the right hand column of the Kickstarter page. They are highly limited in number. Just five of the painted pledges and 3 of the design your own pledges are available.
We have also had a few requests for custom pledges that combine both the painting and the design a model. We’re more than happy to work with backers on requests like this, so there may be a few custom pledges that get added as well. If you are interested please do get in touch.
Until later my friends, it looks like we're going to be unlocking the Infernal Crypts expansion pack soon! Automatically Appended Next Post: Prices are $1250 for design your own character, $1350 for the fully painted set.
The 3 of the character design ones are still left but all of the latter have now gone!
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2014/08/23 18:28:29
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
London
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Wow, if you want them painted that badly just pack then off to Sri Lanka. Automatically Appended Next Post: Had a mate witha painting service in Bangladesh. The orders he would get were things like "here is £20,000, can I have Napoleons army in 10mm." Historical players have cash...
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2014/08/23 20:54:46
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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The_Real_Chris wrote:Wow, if you want them painted that badly just pack then off to Sri Lanka.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Had a mate witha painting service in Bangladesh. The orders he would get were things like "here is £20,000, can I have Napoleons army in 10mm." Historical players have cash...
Sri lanka is on the other end of the Indian subcontinent in relation to Bangladesh
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I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
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2014/08/24 00:13:22
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Multispectral Nisse
Luton, UK
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"Napoleon's Army" is pretty vague. I'd have just painted up the 600 men he had whilst on Elba.
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2014/08/24 00:16:21
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $500k stretch goal: Infernal Crypts Abyssal Expansion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
London
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Sri Lanka is on the other end of the Indian subcontinent in relation to Bangladesh
Yes... (Well, not quite the other side, due south really.)
If I gave the impression they were the same place sorry. Reinforcements by post was/is in Bangladesh and deals in historicals as there is simply more cash in it. Painted figs in Sri Lanka does a lot of GW style stuff.
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2014/08/24 20:39:43
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $515k stretch goal: +3 free Abyssal minis
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Battlefield Tourist
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Still hanging in there, but haven't bought any expansions yet. I have bloodletters, plaguebearers and pink horrors enough to fill in for any of the abyssals, and a full orc and goblin army to manage them if needs be. The stats for all of them are being included in the adventurer's companion, right? So I'm mostly just missing out on some tiles and scenarios (given that I don't care too much about the miniatures). Still a while to go, but currently 100$ is still looking a bit too steep for me.
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2014/08/24 20:48:17
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $515k stretch goal: +3 free Abyssal minis
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Pious Warrior Priest
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I guess the main problem I'm looking at currently is the fact that the bonus minis are only useful for the expansions.. which aren't included in the base pledge.
But, if I buy the expansions, then presumably the expansions come with all the minis you need to play them, so the extra minis there aren't really of much use.
Would have been better to have a free expansion of our choice or something tangible and useable rather than a small selection of minis from each expansion which aren't all that useful if you don't buy the expansion and aren't useful at all if you do buy the expansion.
I'm staying in for the KS exclusives at this point, but unsure about whether this is finally time to kick in my collector's addiction to those!
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2014/08/24 20:55:42
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $515k stretch goal: +3 free Abyssal minis
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Well, the "Advanced Rules" they keep mentioning but that don't exist yet and may not until the very last moments of production (I'm looking at you DZ AI rules...) are supposed to allow you to use anything for your custom dungeon, with the large bestiary from the unlocked KoW units.
I suspect you would get some use of them between the dungeon journal or whatever they're calling it and the advanced rules, but I do understand your fears, certainly I have more deadzone models than I could ever possibly use, and in the case of enforcers it's a ridiculous ratio of fieldable/owned.
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2014/08/24 20:56:13
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $515k stretch goal: +3 free Abyssal minis
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Battlefield Tourist
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Yeah, I'm not enough of a fan of the concepts to go for the exclusives. I'm keeping my pledge where it is right now, and will wait and see if it increases in value enough to make it worth keeping my money on the table. As to having models to use, my fantasy collection is pretty big as it stands, and I recently got a big box of stuff from Red Box Games, which has my favorite Goblin and Orc sculpts in the world, as well as a bunch of cool heroic sculpts to use as adventurers. Mantic don't offer anything to compete with that, quality wise, so I'm more interested in the rules, tiles and scenarios than getting piles of figures. If they released something really unique or impressive, that would change my outlook. The salamander could be cool, and I'd be interested in an entire faction of reptiles or something, but generic orcs, goblins, demons and undead are stuff I unfortunately have in great numbers and varieties already!
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2014/08/24 21:06:26
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $515k stretch goal: +3 free Abyssal minis
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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I guess if money is tight, I'll appreciate the capacity to drop galahir and crypt and still get all of their unique sculpts, with rules enough to run my own mini-versions of those campaigns.
I still really need to set up the alpha stuff and throw some dice to see if I like it.
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