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That is a design decision, it has been proven to be visually better that way.

 Buzzsaw wrote:


Which leads to the somewhat counter-intuitive notion that some races can make HMGs that are the size and weight of light machine guns. I may have missed it, but is there any equivalent in Infinity of the large-caliber, tripod mounted machine gun?

The rest HS has finally stole Dawn weapon tech, simple as that.

Yeah, it also has been proven that an HMG smaller/same size than a rifle is a nonsense ...
it also has been proven that sexy women don't shrink down weapons

anyway, those fusiliers are cool, they seems to have reduced the bad boobs plate and they have theirs backpack back: good for me.

 Sangarn wrote:

it also has been proven that sexy women don't shrink down weapons

Must resist innuendo....

The fusilier sniper reminds me of the Tuareg sniper. Only right handed.


The trend of feet up on something continues. Le sigh :| I think I would have preferred that at least 2 of the minis were actually aiming the weapons at something other than the big blue sky. I guess they are suspecting TO Camo AD:3 troops. Lol.

Overall, nice sculpts, but nothing that I 'must have'. I'll wait and see if Svalarheim includes Fusiliers. The 5 fusiliers that I have (including Angus and Bipandra) will suffice. Fusiliers are just the ultimate order monkeys anyway

Next preview, the Dactyls?

I'm hoping the next preview is some more Mobile Brigada sculpts

Seems to me any machine gun that can be moved and fired with by a normal human should either fall into the 'light' or 'sub' category. Heavy machine guns go on tanks and sort of stationary positions don't they?

I think I kind of like the missile launcher pose, he's almost praying or contemplating (or just really bored) before taking aim and firing. The rest look pretty cool too, though I don't care a whole lot for the obligate foot-on-rock poses and the 'hey i've got a gun but I'm too cool to be aiming it or doing anything but trying to look cool' pose either. Overall though, I'd be happy to have those models, but there's a long list before that happens.

Do a lot of the humans have cyber-arms though?

Doesn't explain Ariadna though...

(and I imagine that extensive cybernetics are generally only in the most elite units and those with full body prosthetics are a rarity)

 GrimDork wrote:
Seems to me any machine gun that can be moved and fired with by a normal human should either fall into the 'light' or 'sub' category. Heavy machine guns go on tanks and sort of stationary positions don't they?

HMG's always reminded me of something like an M60. Which are infantry support weapons, and can even be fired from the shoulder (though less accurate than if you properly supported it). Spitfires are something else, midway between a normal assault rifle and an M60.

"generic" weapons in Infinity (combi rifles, hmgs, spitfires, etc) refer to a classificiation of weapon types, not a specific model of weapon. So not all HMGs look the same or are the same size, but are broadly similar in performance.

 Daba wrote:
Do a lot of the humans have cyber-arms though?

Doesn't explain Ariadna though...

(and I imagine that extensive cybernetics are generally only in the most elite units and those with full body prosthetics are a rarity)

Cybernetics are rare, when you can get a new DNA matched arm or organs you don't get a peice of metal that you body likely will reject. Most cybernetics are from the we will try anything Nomads and Bakunin at that.

Ariadna didn't waste time on putting computers in every thing like most other human faction the mastered micro-technology of weapon systems. It is why only they and the CA run around with Autocannons carried by one guy, and what tech the other HS government likely stole to make such small HMGs.

Having the HMGs with the AD figures never made very much sense to me thematically. I'm surprised that there aren't more AD troops carrying Spitfires. A big, bulky HMG will get in the way when you're trying to parachute out of a plane or make an orbital insertion. I think I'd be fine with having Tiger Soldiers lose their HMGs in favor of Spitfires. I hope we see them fairly soon, too.

I doubt they will fix all AD units with HMGs. Some have models already, even recently, like the Gao Tarsos. It's a bit hard simply saying it's a Spitfire too since it's clearly a HMG on the model.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The 5 fusiliers that I have (including Angus and Bipandra) will suffice.

Depending the on hacking rules it might be decent to include a hacker, otherwise rifles are one of better weapons to have. With exception of Spitfires I don't really know why you'd want to pick something else. I'd love to have light grenade launcher with the rifle, however there is odd lack of releases for this configuration.

Any Fusilier with a combi rifle can be called a hacker. The female fusilier from Icestorm, for example, will do nicely. Or even Angus-- since he has no weapons, he can proxy as anything...except maybe competent. Lol.

ATM, The only Pan-O LGL I can think of is Sawyer, the Acontecimento Regular. I'd like a Montesa LGL, It is the only configuration I use.

There is actually an (old) fusilier lgl blister:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/fusiliers-5/

 Red Harvest wrote:
Any Fusilier with a combi rifle can be called a hacker. The female fusilier from Icestorm, for example, will do nicely. Or even Angus-- since he has no weapons, he can proxy as anything...except maybe competent. Lol.

Voodoo magic, if he the model doesn't have a visor and mandatory hacker pose™.

I thought the large barrel on the top of an old combi was there for the modular snap in parts like LGL?

From the WIki:

Normal modern, Combi, and MULTI Rifles are equipped with a standard connectable module that allows them to set up the interior mechanism and the ammunition of a light shotgun, a light flamethrower or a light grenade launcher as a whole piece, without changing the outside appearance of the weapon or its weight. Any pieces fitted will be connected with a trigger device that allows instinctive fire. The versatility that these modules allow is undeniable and this is the reason they are common in armies with good technology and budget.

I feel that almost 200 years in the future they would have created guns made out of light weight materials that produce almost no recoil. So an HMG in the hands of a Non-Power armored troop is feasible. The PanO guns even look like they use a compressed gas instead of gun powder. This is an actual thing being worked on.

Except that would then be the standard rifle, and the maximum weight/recoil/size form factor would be filled with a nifty new gadget of much improved lethality, no?

I keep coming back to look for new previews and I keep being disappointed by finding the same HMG size discussion continuing to be the new posts.

 cincydooley wrote:
I keep coming back to look for new previews and I keep being disappointed by finding the same HMG size discussion continuing to be the new posts.

Good point - back on topic here guys!

Remember, we have 3 new(ish) INFINITY forums here for discuss all of 'The Other Stuff" that comes up - thanks!

 Alpharius wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I keep coming back to look for new previews and I keep being disappointed by finding the same HMG size discussion continuing to be the new posts.

Good point - back on topic here guys!

Remember, we have 3 new(ish) INFINITY forums here for discuss all of 'The Other Stuff" that comes up - thanks!

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The 'HMG' weapon in infinity is not an 'HMG' in the modern terminology (of a vehicle or emplacement machine gun). It's much, much closer in equivilence to the 'GPMG', General Purpose Machine Gun, which is a squad support weapon that's heavier than a SAW (which would correspond to the Spitfire).

Ie, the old M60.

 JoeRugby wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I keep coming back to look for new previews and I keep being disappointed by finding the same HMG size discussion continuing to be the new posts.

Good point - back on topic here guys!

Remember, we have 3 new(ish) INFINITY forums here for discuss all of 'The Other Stuff" that comes up - thanks!

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He is the MOD we deserve but not the MOD we need.

Thing is though, most of the chatter in the thread is directly related to a recent news piece - in this case, the confusion over the new fusilier pic. I doubt anyone started it feeling that the topic of HMG size was threadworthy in and of itself, but still felt the need to comment, and when someone responds to a comment they do it in that same thread, they don't think to start another one for the purpose. Thus, a conversation organically grows (and goes off topic until the next news item is posted).

I'm sure there's a middle ground between 'news posts only, no commentary' and 'waffle on aimlessly', but everybody is going to have a different interpretation of where that ground should be.

 Riquende wrote:
Thing is though, most of the chatter in the thread is directly related to a recent news piece - in this case, the confusion over the new fusilier pic. I doubt anyone started it feeling that the topic of HMG size was threadworthy in and of itself, but still felt the need to comment, and when someone responds to a comment they do it in that same thread, they don't think to start another one for the purpose. Thus, a conversation organically grows (and goes off topic until the next news item is posted).

I'm sure there's a middle ground between 'news posts only, no commentary' and 'waffle on aimlessly', but everybody is going to have a different interpretation of where that ground should be.

I'm more than OK with that - withing reason.

This thread goes down rabbit holes quickly though - and that was alright back when we didn't have dedicated sub-forums for getting more in depth with all this other stuff.

This thread's purpose is pretty clear and fairly focused.

Let's all endeavor to make it work - thanks!

You just have to stay in the thread 24/7 to keep an eye.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'm hoping the next preview is some more Mobile Brigada sculpts

No it's gonna be some Orco scuplt for my Varuna sectorial

I hope you're not too disappointed when the ORCs are revealed to part of PanOceania's Svalarheima Sectorial!

Though I suppose they could be in both...