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^What you've said sounds cool

I realize infinity is a shooting game and should stay that way, but buffs to melee will add more options for some units and should be interesting.

Tags staying mid-field to hide from hackers is all well and good until the nomads start saturating the field with markers from their deployment zone Range of hacking devices (other than just 2) is also interesting.

Ranged medikits? Also intriguing, although the doctor/engi remotes are generally pretty cheap.

Don't apologise, that was all fairly helpful (as helpful as id have been!) and it was awesome that Carlos took you through your first game! I've yet to have mine. Can't wait for N3 though.

Sounds interesting! As someone not yet playing (waiting on Icestorm) I like the sound of the changes to hacking. If it's more varied than just immobilising HI/TAGs and opening doors (yeah, I know there's a little more to it than that) then it should be fun. Someone a few pages back mentioned Hacking being Infinity's 'magic' which I think is a nice way of summing it up.

I never used to be interested in Hacking (like I'm never really interested in magic or its analogues in other systems) but since the Tunguska models started coming out that all changed haha.

 Paradigm wrote:
Sounds interesting! As someone not yet playing (waiting on Icestorm) I like the sound of the changes to hacking. If it's more varied than just immobilising HI/TAGs and opening doors (yeah, I know there's a little more to it than that) then it should be fun. Someone a few pages back mentioned Hacking being Infinity's 'magic' which I think is a nice way of summing it up.

Oh, that reminds me of another thing: terrain!

Carlos mentioned that buildings will have rules to allow you to hack the doors or blow in the walls etc. – basically to make things more interactive. For example, a typical civilian building will be designated a 'Green' house (just an example) and be fairly flimsy and easy to break into; while a military bunker will be a 'Red' building, and be much more secure and tough. These rules will be used to help suggest terrain set ups – so a mission will have notes explaining that you need so many red buildings, so many green buildings etc.

Or particular interest was the mention that the rules have been written with consideration for the buildings produced by official partners (MaxMini etc.); it's a way of supporting them while making things easy for players.

There was something else about forest/jungle terrain, but I think that was reserved info for GenCon. Anyone else at the Sunday seminar remember if that was kosher to share or not?

Brilliant write-up Apologist, glad you enjoyed and sorry that I couldn't make it to meet you there.

Wow having your first demo game from one of the main game creators is pretty impressive, I should hope he made a good job of it!

Some interesting comments on the rules there, and some of the most we have heard so far from 3rd edition. Particularly interesting concerning the re-shuffling of the way some units are intended to work; I like the concept of the TAGs being used in a more supportive role, rather than a knife-edge to hammer through and either win or lose you the game. Also, that hackers might become a truly effective measure to 'counter-TAG'.

Interesting direction with the rule book and background book - the negative is that you will now need two books (which I assume will be more expensive combined than the £30 for the one rulebook at present) the positive that if you really wanted to, you could probably just download the new rules and buy the background book (if you wanted to save some money?) And I suppose people that just like the imagery and miniatures, with no interest in the game, will be catered to?

Overall, seems like a refinement to perhaps balance out some of the sharper edges of how the game plays and great that they are continuing to refine them up until (and beyond?) the point of release, very excited to actually see the new rules as and when they arrive!

Cheers for the write up had no note pad to note what could/could not be said. Although im pretty sure we were not ment to mention the hacking thing. Hope to see you at the December event so we can have a game together

Thank you for the feedback.

I don't think TAG needed more counters, especially a hard counter. Fortunately I don't have any interest in them.

Great to hear for a background book.

 Apologist wrote:

* The change in HMG effectiveness at short range (negative modifiers) was, in part, added to encourage TAGs to stay in mid-field in support, rather than stomping over to the other player's deployment zone and hosing things down.

Aha! Nobody will expect the Seraph!



(As long as it doesn't get changed for N3)

Was there any mention of a street date release for N3 rules in the seminar?

No exact dates those will be revealed in the Beasts of war video

 Apologist wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Sounds interesting! As someone not yet playing (waiting on Icestorm) I like the sound of the changes to hacking. If it's more varied than just immobilising HI/TAGs and opening doors (yeah, I know there's a little more to it than that) then it should be fun. Someone a few pages back mentioned Hacking being Infinity's 'magic' which I think is a nice way of summing it up.

Oh, that reminds me of another thing: terrain!

Carlos mentioned that buildings will have rules to allow you to hack the doors or blow in the walls etc. – basically to make things more interactive. For example, a typical civilian building will be designated a 'Green' house (just an example) and be fairly flimsy and easy to break into; while a military bunker will be a 'Red' building, and be much more secure and tough. These rules will be used to help suggest terrain set ups – so a mission will have notes explaining that you need so many red buildings, so many green buildings etc.

Or particular interest was the mention that the rules have been written with consideration for the buildings produced by official partners (MaxMini etc.); it's a way of supporting them while making things easy for players.

There was something else about forest/jungle terrain, but I think that was reserved info for GenCon. Anyone else at the Sunday seminar remember if that was kosher to share or not?

Destructible interactive terrain in wargaming? Hell yes!

Pacific wrote:Brilliant write-up Apologist, glad you enjoyed and sorry that I couldn't make it to meet you there.
Wow having your first demo game from one of the main game creators is pretty impressive, I should hope he made a good job of it!

Yeah, shame you couldn't make it down – though when we do get to meet up for another game (was Fulgrim vs Guilliman really the last time?) I should have a painted Infinity force!

Some interesting comments on the rules there, and some of the most we have heard so far from 3rd edition. Particularly interesting concerning the re-shuffling of the way some units are intended to work; I like the concept of the TAGs being used in a more supportive role, rather than a knife-edge to hammer through and either win or lose you the game. Also, that hackers might become a truly effective measure to 'counter-TAG'.

Carlos made it very clear that he intends Infinity to succeed through having a very solid, well-rounded and balanced game: he feels that the quality of the core game should drive growth naturally, rather than through add-ons and expansions. The campaigns will be non-essential additions.

He spoke of the game being like a house of cards; that changing one element necessitated changing others. As an example, the TAGs weren't playing as he had envisioned them, but rather than changing them directly, CB is tweaking other bits – close combat, hacking, HMGs etc. – in order to 'fix' TAGs while balancing those other bits. A very 'holistic' approach.

Interesting direction with the rule book and background book - the negative is that you will now need two books (which I assume will be more expensive combined than the £30 for the one rulebook at present) the positive that if you really wanted to, you could probably just download the new rules and buy the background book (if you wanted to save some money?) And I suppose people that just like the imagery and miniatures, with no interest in the game, will be catered to?

I don't think there was a word on the price; but I got the impression the books will be sold as a pair, not separately. The division into rules and background was to make the rules lightweight and portable, while not compromising the quality of the background book.

Overall, seems like a refinement to perhaps balance out some of the sharper edges of how the game plays and great that they are continuing to refine them up until (and beyond?) the point of release, very excited to actually see the new rules as and when they arrive!

A good example of the ongoing refinement – and how that relates to the quick adjustments online – is the Paradiso book. This will remain current as it includes rules that won't be in the updated main rulebook, but the points values (for example) will presumably be affected by the changes in the main game. They'll square that circle by directing people to the 'net for updates.

Mothman wrote:Cheers for the write up had no note pad to note what could/could not be said. Although im pretty sure we were not ment to mention the different hacking devises. Hope to see you at the December event so we can have a game together

+SCRAPSHUNTERRORABORT+ I've edited my post to remove the reference – sorry CB
I'll see if I can make it up to the December event

Knight wrote:Thank you for the feedback.
I don't think TAG needed more counters, especially a hard counter. Fortunately I don't have any interest in them.
Great to hear for a background book.

My pleasure. Remember that I'm posting as a very new player; I may well have missed some very pertinent info.

Riquende wrote:Aha! Nobody will expect the Seraph!

Which reminds me – in the Q&A after the seminar, someone asked if the Seraph and some other models (which i took to be long-delayed TAGs, from the way the question was phrased) are going to come out soon. This led to Carlos explaining that the mini-TAGs(?) were part of a fairly involved evaluation of the TAG models in light of the new CAD appraoch to miniature design. They were slightly delayed because of that, but are coming. No timeline that I can remember, I'm afraid, but from implication it was relatively soon.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:


So we get a slightly slower void operator

Also some new Yu Jing models in October specifically 5 new version of this guy should be cool to see, especially what ever new loadouts they come up with since he has 2 one engineer and one doctor atm.

I think it's a replacement for the Iskaller but with a few tweaks. That looks like AD equipment on his back. I'm sure he wont have the 6-4 move like an Iskaller though. It also looks like the Missile Launcher replaces the Sniper Rifle the Iskaller had. Almost even trade I'd say. I hope he has a hacker or some specialist ability though. That's what's needed most I think.

While I wasn't thrilled with the sculpt, the Iskaller had some great rules. AD3, super jump, ARM3, Courage and especially the 6-4 move is awesome.

Was there a date for a December event?

no date yet think they said towards the begining of December

I saw mention of another topic that was dedicated to people getting their IceStorms. Anyone have that link? Looking to see if people who got it from MM got theirs yet

Thanks for the feedback mate. You got me really exited now

 Apologist wrote:

I don't think there was a word on the price; but I got the impression the books will be sold as a pair, not separately. The division into rules and background was to make the rules lightweight and portable, while not compromising the quality of the background book.

This.
Once you read the fluff there is no point in dragging second book around with you and It will be easier to browse through rules as well. I'm happy about this little change. Seams CB always take care about their players and makes things easier for them.

str00dles1 wrote:
I saw mention of another topic that was dedicated to people getting their IceStorms. Anyone have that link? Looking to see if people who got it from MM got theirs yet

there you go

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/613339.page

I am a big fan of T.A.G.s and they're already hard enough to use effectively.

Hearing of more 'hard counters' to them makes me a bit apprehensive...

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 Alpharius wrote:
I am a big fan of T.A.G.s and they're already hard enough to use effectively.

Hearing of more 'hard counters' to them makes me a bit apprehensive...

Altering the range bands of HMGs to discourage TAGs ramboing is less of a 'hard counter' and more of a sensible approach.
You wouldn't run in with a warmachine to go "Pew Pew!" with your HMG unless you also had something to go "Stab Stab!"...

At least that's my take on it. I wouldn't be charging in with my Iguana or Geckos with Mk12s anyways.

I really like that Dactyls mini. I blame the hair. I've been buying a lot more ALEPH minis since I saw Scott Pilgrim..

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I am a big fan of T.A.G.s and they're already hard enough to use effectively.

Hearing of more 'hard counters' to them makes me a bit apprehensive...

Altering the range bands of HMGs to discourage TAGs ramboing is less of a 'hard counter' and more of a sensible approach.
You wouldn't run in with a warmachine to go "Pew Pew!" with your HMG unless you also had something to go "Stab Stab!"...

At least that's my take on it. I wouldn't be charging in with my Iguana or Geckos with Mk12s anyways.

There's a 40 to 50 points and SWC difference, between a Gecko and something like a Dragoe. For a simple support choice you can easily include a cheaper HI or even MI with HMG. In N3 you're given more open options and a big direct support investment might be the last thing you need to approach the new scenarios.

I rather like what I hear about Stingray series.

The "Hacker improvements" are more the 'hard counter' I was referencing.

 Knight wrote:


I rather like what I hear about Stingray series.

Are they the last of the existing TAGs to be released? Don't really know much about the model ranges outside of PanO.

Another picture of my Infinity Cosplay at WaylandGames with my baby Vera For all those asking when and where you can buy the miniature - I'll be putting them on my store later today! STAY TUNED!

 Riquende wrote:

 Knight wrote:


I rather like what I hear about Stingray series.

Are they the last of the existing TAGs to be released? Don't really know much about the model ranges outside of PanO.

Stingray are pano
toni macayana is the most needed TAG profile, I dont see any use for the seraph: the MO have enough heavy shock troops

 BrookM wrote:

Another picture of my Infinity Cosplay at WaylandGames with my baby Vera For all those asking when and where you can buy the miniature - I'll be putting them on my store later today! STAY TUNED!

Cosplay Bolt now (permanently? ) for sale at Tabitha Lyons store only
http://artyfakes.wix.com/main#!product/prd13/2914965841/neoterra-bolts-cosplay-edition-infinity-figure

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

Another picture of my Infinity Cosplay at WaylandGames with my baby Vera For all those asking when and where you can buy the miniature - I'll be putting them on my store later today! STAY TUNED!

Cosplay Bolt now (permanently? ) for sale at Tabitha Lyons store only
http://artyfakes.wix.com/main#!product/prd13/2914965841/neoterra-bolts-cosplay-edition-infinity-figure

12£ for the model and 10£ for shipping to the U.S. No thanks , small package should be much cheaper.