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Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm liking the changes they're made to these. For one, they had the restraint to have the Mk2 plastics very close to the original metals, so cohesion is clearly maintained.

Totally agree PP done it good with these ones

- wont look as crappy as 40k editions do from each other hah.

When are these plastics supposed to be released? January?

are there other plastics rumored/confirmed yet too? or just the one big multipart set per army?

Thesea are expected in January -


As far as other plastics, nothing is announced about that yet~

*makes a note to pick a few boxes of the Khador jacks when he gets his cygnar stuff* Been thinking about making some Deff Dreads... I think the Khador box with a few black orc heads and bits will make some nice conversions ;p

RM, Check your PM box!

Another update:


WM Faction books are estimated to be 35$ MSRP Each.

Seen in an PP poll on their website:

When the new WARMACHINE Force Books come out, (Estimated MSRP $35.00), do you expect to purchase:

How much is a Codex, again? $25?

Must every single thing be reduced to a vile comparison between 40k and Warmachine? They're both heinously expensive, why doesn't that suffice?

Yes, and I'm not looking forward to GW deciding the market will bear another $10 per Codex.

I'm so unhappy that PP have switched to the GW model for releases. It's doomed to piss me off at some ppint. The old release method was one of my favourite things about them.
Those faction books would want to be amazing to justify that price.

I already pay ca. $33 for Codexes, this will be no different. Except less Arbitrary Cruddace.

Then you can look forward to paying over $46 per Codex if GW follows the PP price increase.

Yeah thats GW. but still nothing to get pissed about its a hobby its not going to kill unless your a major fan boy.

Assuming I ever want to buy another Codex again (not bloody likely, there's nothing they can do to change the Guard to make me care).

JohnHwangDD wrote:How much is a Codex, again? $25?

Its kind of bugging me that the price for the faction books ARE 35$....

and it makes codex's look inexspensive suprisingly.


Though, PP books tend to be super filled with all color pages, and fluff.

But the only reason that would make them worth it if they have new unreleased stats... some special army lsit composition..

Meh... hah.

I'm so unhappy that PP have switched to the GW model for releases. It's doomed to piss me off at some ppint. The old release method was one of my favourite things about them.
Those faction books would want to be amazing to justify that price.

What I am really wondering is if the new rulebooks create a standard 'CORE' for each faction.

The the introduction of more MK2 exspansions = exspansions as they always do.


This does mean you'll be buying lots of books ;P lol. Smart...

I expect that the faction books will be much longer than a GW Codex. Anyone know the page counts?

Tbh I don't find the fluff that compelling even compared to GW's efforts, so paying more for more weak fluff does not appeal to me. What I liked about the old method was there was no chance of a DE style limbo occuring. Now I feel like it's just a matter of time.

No idea- but every PP book has had TONS of pages, everything pure color.

So we can only expect the same quality for each.... otherwise that cost is just disgusting if not.

Da Boss wrote:Tbh I don't find the fluff that compelling even compared to GW's efforts, so paying more for more weak fluff does not appeal to me. What I liked about the old method was there was no chance of a DE style limbo occuring. Now I feel like it's just a matter of time.

The new faction books are just a compilation of the previous five years plus a few new releases to tide them over. It's back to the old four (five) factions in one book after that.

Really?
You're 100% on that?
That's great news!

It is great news finnaly no more metal glue : D. and the risk of getting your fingers glues to your model permantly : D and no more of chopping your fingers off with the razor saw : D. even better. one of my friends lost 2 of his fingers.

Actually, I don't think poly cement works on those plastics... so you're still on super glue.

So that's...
Inferior plastic to GW
Worse new plastic models than old metal WM models
$10 more expensive army books
???
Profit!

@Da Boss: I can't find the thread but I'm sure I remember Matt Wilson saying as much. Anyone's search-fu better then mine?

yep. F U AMERICA. that has 500,000 results and counting opps nevermind 1,000,000. but that made me a little pissed their making everything more expensive. which will kill many fans.

I'll reserver judgement until i see what the army books holds within.

In terms of plastic, I think they are better than the current metals.

Theme lists. That and color pages should make me happy.

George Spiggott wrote:I expect that the faction books will be much longer than a GW Codex. Anyone know the page counts?

I can't say for sure, but the Retribution of Scyrah faction book is 116 very nice, full color pages.

ph34r wrote:So that's...
Inferior plastic to GW
Worse new plastic models than old metal WM models
$10 more expensive army books
???
Profit!

Well, there's a lot of things that could go in that gap you've left. One of them is a combo-driven gameplay that's reasonably unlike 40k's. Another is a ruleset that's perceived as being more robust and a publisher that's perceived as being actively interested fixing it.