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Oh wow, Gak guys.
Modquisition on. Everyone needs to relax now. This is a public warning, posts after this will be dealt with to the fullest extent.

Sheriff TBone says Chillax!

We're going to try this again. A public warning has previously been made and that applies to ALL parties. Everyone move forward or its not going to be pretty. Frazzled

Wow. generalgrog makes say something which someone else reads as an attack (which it was't) and suddenly we're getting thread-wide warnings. Talk about over-reacting.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow. generalgrog makes say something which someone else reads as an attack (which it was't) and suddenly we're getting thread-wide warnings. Talk about over-reacting.

It beats thread wide taserings, although not nearly as satisfying...

Secret footage of insaniak testing new mod techniques.

Taserings? When did you go soft Frazzled?

well you know, I was told to cut back...

*double post shenanagins*

Frazzled wrote:well you know, I was told to cut back...

Yeah... I mean what happened to the good old days of thread wide bamboo shoots under the finger nails?

GG

I still remember the epic 2004 "flamethrower incident." Good times, good times. Its getting now a mod can't even randomly pick a name and have football hooligans sent to their house, just because.

Frazzled wrote:I still remember the epic 2004 "flamethrower incident." Good times, good times. Its getting now a mod can't even randomly pick a name and have football hooligans sent to their house, just because.

I could suggest a few...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I still remember the epic 2004 "flamethrower incident." Good times, good times. Its getting now a mod can't even randomly pick a name and have football hooligans sent to their house, just because.

I could suggest a few...

Yea but you're on Aussie time and these guys are union. We don't have that kind of budget-after all fine wine and Cuban cigars for the mods aren't free you know.

filbert wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

He's using the extended tape measure, waving it about. Believe me, if we were to play a game, and you allow me do as he does, you won't get a single charge off, nor will I ever be out of range when I shoot. I've played against serious cheats before, and I know the tricks that he's using. Don't be naive or tell me I don't know an out-and-out cheater when I see one.

To be fair, this is the same thing I was pointing out and discussing a couple of pages back and I got shot down too. Depends if you think he is using the right to be able to measure in the movement phase as a way to cheat at guessing during the shooting phase. I would argue that you only need to measure once or twice before deciding whether or not to move a unit; you don't need to hover the tape over the table while 'contemplating'.

I suspect he was there. Places he left the tape etc. Called a couple of people recently on similar-but-perhaps-without-the-intent behaviour during games of Fantasy. When doing their movement, they would extend the tape to several inches in excess of their movement, and place it on the table before sliding the unit back and forth along it's length to determine their final position. Clearly this is pretty naughty, but a common bit of cheating-without-intent, possibly best called poor sportsmanship. It's irritating enough when they do this with the tape extended to their full movement value, as even then you get a decent idea of how far away the enemy is. But either way, I would lump it under premeasuring. As I said to them, if you do that, however absent mindedly (I've done it before as well) then it's only fair to move the full distance you have measured, or your full movement, whichever is less.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: it's only fair to move the full distance you have measured, or your full movement, whichever is less.

I was aware of the no-premeasuring rule for the shooting/assault phase, but I was under the impression that you could premeasure your distance in the movement phase. What you're suggesting is guessing how far you want to move the unit before moving them. Have I been playing wrongly?

Yes and no. In Fantasy, you have to guess whether or not you are in charge range, and declare accordingly, so I feel the same applies to movement.

Even if it's not cheating, I would definitely call it unsporting, especially if you decide to move less than you first did. However extending the tape measure beyond your maximum possible movement is definitely getting a bit cheaty.

But that's purely my own opinion. As long as it's within the rules, you enjoy the game how you want to!

Pika_power wrote:
I was aware of the no-premeasuring rule for the shooting/assault phase, but I was under the impression that you could premeasure your distance in the movement phase. What you're suggesting is guessing how far you want to move the unit before moving them. Have I been playing wrongly?

Yes the rules allow you to premeasure and change your mind with no penalty during the movement phase. See my earlier post on the subject and or page 11 of the rulebook.

MDG is talking about fantasy battles, and I don't what the rules say there.

GG

I shall check my book!

No pre-measure when declaring charges....(unless you are Frenzied, as if you are in range, you must charge. Which is why Frenzied units do this AFTER all other Charges are declared) Otherwise it doesn't actually say, so I guess sliding around is allowed.

So yeah, as I said, if you do wish to slide your troops, only extend the tape as far as your maximum move, otherwise I would be quite aggrieved!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: *snip* ...When doing their movement, they would extend the tape to several inches in excess of their movement, and place it on the table before sliding the unit back and forth along it's length to determine their final position. Clearly this is pretty naughty, but a common bit of cheating-without-intent, possibly best called poor sportsmanship. It's irritating enough when they do this with the tape extended to their full movement value, as even then you get a decent idea of how far away the enemy is. But either way, I would lump it under premeasuring. As I said to them, if you do that, however absent mindedly (I've done it before as well) then it's only fair to move the full distance you have measured, or your full movement, whichever is less.

Hi Mad Doc,

I see what you're saying in your last post (not the one I quoted). Only extending the tape as far as their maximum move. But if they wanted to move less than their max, I would think it's still OK to have the tape out to their maximum move distance. Otherwise, if when moving you decide you want to go a little farther, you wouldn't know how far to go... right?

I'm still just starting fantasy so maybe you're right. I think the only time I have had the tape extended part of the way is when manuevering a monster... I.e. 3" this way, wheel, then 5" this way, etc... the rest of the time I believe I extend it the full distance so I know where I can move my guys (especially with units like skirmishers, where I'm moving each model and need to know how far they can go).

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I shall check my book!

Actually, it's in one of the rulebook FAQs. Specifically stating that you can measure during the movement phase to see if your units can go where you want them to and you can check different positions no problem.

Perhaps this has been asked before but what about Inquisitorial Stormtroopers that have the Targeters which allow them to premeasure? Is it still valid at this time until a new Codex (yeah, right)?

Maxstreel wrote:Perhaps this has been asked before but what about Inquisitorial Stormtroopers that have the Targeters which allow them to premeasure? Is it still valid at this time until a new Codex (yeah, right)?

I don't see why not, since the codex is still legal.

GG

LunaHound wrote:

garret wrote:i was reading an article on bols on cheating and i was wondering what are some good ways to spot cheaters.
do any vets who probaly played enough games to know about this have anygood tips on spotting cheaters.
and how to deal with them if you do catch them.

Ppl flopping their hand or fore arm near the table.

Chances are they are premeasuring by comparing with their arm length which they already measured.
Though im rather confused to why people need to do that as simple math can easily determine distance
especially most tables are the same size.

what do you mean by flopping? cause I lean on the table but that's because I'm lazy not because I'm premeasuring

jwolf wrote:

Picking up hits instead of misses.

That one's a little unfair because I generally pick up whatever is the least so if I rolled a ton of misses out of 36 dice or whatever I'll pick up hits to save time. Though I play with friends where we all trust each other so I guess cheatings never been an issue there though I have to agree with the earlier post that if you have to cheat at 40K you might need to find a life.

REALLLL close to thread necromancy here. Yeesh.

Thank you TheBlackVanguard. I don't think you're evil for contributing in a thread that's a few weeks old.

Shifty eyes and twirling one end of a Handlebar mustache is usually a dead give away.