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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So far, we've been running smoothly at my LGS, although, we just finished Month 2, and only 3 people showed up.. :/

On an off-topic note, anyone know where I can reliably watch Star Trek DS9 episodes without having to have a subscription?

EDIT: So, anyone remember my ordeal with the crooked Apnex model???

Got the replacement today, same issue, I know they have models without crooked bridges, I've seen them...

There are a lot of Star Trek Tactics minis that are just borked. Besides the Apnex, the Enterprise-A is almost always screwed up. I have 4 or 5 of them, and not one that doesn't make me wince. I'm going to try hot water on them, because cutting and re-gluing didn't really work. The Nebula class always has problems, too. I think some of the minis are just too complicated to expect decent results from poorly-paid laborers who don't give a crap.

Let me know how your issue goes. I had to go through quite a bit of email and riposte with the customer service department before my minis were replaced, and most of the replacements had the same (or worse!) issues. They told me (I'm paraphrasing here) they more or less thought of the minis as game pieces only and were surprised that anyone gave a damn if the minis looked like chewed bubble gum. They seem to have only had experience with boardgamers, but for $15 per miniature I bet they'll start to get a lot more flack for their attitude towards wargamers.

Yeah, I just bent the bridge back into place, surprisingly, it wasn't really glued, just a really tight fit...lol.

Idk, I kinda wanna buy Fleet Captains just for the Constitution class ship, it looks good from what I've seen.

Do you mean the refit constitution? The non-refit is not included in Fleet Captains. And the refit Connie is one of the worst minis for quality control failures. It's the exact same model from the Star Trek tactics line, just unpainted.

If you just want a good Constitution class ship, I recommend this model kit. The connie is about twice as long as the Fleet Captains version, but should still fit on the same stand and not look too out of place considering the uneven scale and large 'hero' ships.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do you mean the refit constitution? The non-refit is not included in Fleet Captains. And the refit Connie is one of the worst minis for quality control failures. It's the exact same model from the Star Trek tactics line, just unpainted.

If you just want a good Constitution class ship, I recommend this model kit. The connie is about twice as long as the Fleet Captains version, but should still fit on the same stand and not look too out of place considering the uneven scale and large 'hero' ships.

No, that ship is quite a bit too large for what I was looking for, I was looking for something to match scale with Reliant.

Guess I should bite the bullet and buy the Ent-A from Tactics...

Well, there's this kit.

Or you can get the tactics version. The Reliant does seem to be one of the better minis for quality in the Tactics/Fleet Captains line.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, there's this kit.

Or you can get the tactics version. The Reliant does seem to be one of the better minis for quality in the Tactics/Fleet Captains line.

Yeah, except everywhere I've seen is Out of Stock on the Tactics Enterprise A model... know where I can find one? There are none on ebay as well...

How about this one. I think it is a little larger than the Reliant, but a better match than the Attack Wing one;

http://store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=0204&Category_Code=

I've located a suitable model to replace the Enterprise with, now I just need to get the cash. lol

Now I'm curious which one you're going with.

If you really have trouble, I do have an "extra" unpainted Fleet Captains version just waiting for a trade away.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now I'm curious which one you're going with.

If you really have trouble, I do have an "extra" unpainted Fleet Captains version just waiting for a trade away.

I was going with the Heroclix Tactics version, but if you're interested in working something out, PM me.

So, anyone have a clue what they're going to do for the mirror universe stuff?

Wouldn't they just repaint the models a darker color and add the dagger emblem?


What I really want to see is an Akira class ship.

I know, I want to see it too, as far as I know, they haven't done an Akira class in Heroclix either. lol, they did the Saber Class, but no Akira....

Honestly, I'd love to see in Attack Wing -

Saber Class
Akira Class
Centaur Class
Apollo Class

Romulan Raptor Class
Defender Class ships

Actual K'Vort class (wings pointing up, big battlecruiser)

Excelsior Refit is on my list of wants too...lol

I love their Saber. The Sovereign and Defiant are also great. Too bad the Prometheus is severely under-detailed and the Nebula is even more crooked than the Constitution refit. Yes, I am just in it for the models.

It's funny that you mention the Clix/Attack Wing version of the Excelsior. It's the one model most likely to make Bernd Schneider's head explode: the saucer is more oval than circle, the proportions are really strange in the engineering section, the details on the impulse and engineering sections seem to have come from nowhere, and the shuttle bay looks like it has an aeroshuttle parked on it for no reason that I can discern.

I actually think it looks really awesome! It's like a post-First Contact-style refit of an Excelsior.

Actually, I looked at the Excelsior model in the shop yesterday, it looks fine to me, lol. looks like it's a new sculpt.

I purchased my new ships yesterday. While I was removing my Kraxon from the package, one of the rear wings popped off. Watch out friends!

Otherwise, can't they brighten up these cards?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Actually, I looked at the Excelsior model in the shop yesterday, it looks fine to me, lol. looks like it's a new sculpt.

Compare this:



to this:



And for the record, I prefer the funky Clix version over the canon (yet unattractive) version. My point is just that the Clix minis sometime make bizarre departures from the actual ships they're modeled after.

Yeah, I noticed the change in the ships today, I like the canon version better, lol.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Yeah, I noticed the change in the ships today, I like the canon version better, lol.

The overwhelming majority of people do prefer the canon version. Makes me wonder why they decided to 'improve' it.

I myself would prefer to know that Wizkids can stick to canon on a model--as a frequent visitor to Ex Astris Scientia, I really notice when they get things wrong. (Even if they produce an eventual happy accident, it's still an accident.)


By the way, have you seen the Vorcha? Looks like the sculptor was watching TNG with his TV ratio off.

I know, right? the clix Vorcha looks fine though... makes me wonder why they changed it... Also, Why the heck was the Negh'Var SO PAPER THIN?!?!

Ugh... Wizkids, don't make a game appealing to mini-war-gamers unless you plan on investing in the sculpts...

I think the clix Vor'cha is the same. That thing's pincers could almost eat my Micromachines Vor'cha's head, and the two minis are nearly the same size.

The unpainted Negh'Var's wings are translucent. Love the model, but it feels incredibly flimsy.

Fortunately, the Valdore looks pretty close to the CGI. I kind of hope they do a Scimitar and just call it a Romulan Dreadnought ...bird... or something.

I've noticed some discussion on other forums about Faction Pure play. Is anyone's OP being run this way? If so, I'd like to see some of the faction pure lists that are winning these things.

Like I've said before, the movement phase is where this game is won and loss, and I don't actually think the build matters as much as the movement phase does, but it's always interesting to see how other players run their faction pure lists. Also, if you run Faction Pure, how do you deal with the independent faction? Is Khan just not allowed?

Gordash wrote:
I've noticed some discussion on other forums about Faction Pure play. Is anyone's OP being run this way? If so, I'd like to see some of the faction pure lists that are winning these things.

Like I've said before, the movement phase is where this game is won and loss, and I don't actually think the build matters as much as the movement phase does, but it's always interesting to see how other players run their faction pure lists. Also, if you run Faction Pure, how do you deal with the independent faction? Is Khan just not allowed?

While it's not mandated or anything, almost all of the lists that have been at my OPs have been faction pure. No problems with taking Khan, as he's "unaligned." Actually, the Federation player at our OPs has been running him (mostly on the reliant) and the Uber Picard Ent D. He's not done that well.

I, on the other hand, have won the first three OPs...pretty handily, actually. My list has generally been pretty close to a lot of the Klingon builds you guys have been running, I've just been running Nu'Daq rather than Donatra. It's still quite good.

Our Dominion player has been running 4 of the scout ships + (I totally just forgot the name of the ship but it's the one that takes hits on its own shields for everyone else) in the last two, and that's been working a lot better than his previous list.

I think that the main thing helping me (besides having handfuls of dice with each ship) is that I've played a lot more Xwing than everyone else, so I have a leg up in the movement phase against pretty much everyone. I expect that will disappear as everyone else starts to get used to it.

I think generally that I've also been winning because I had been playing X-wing previously. I lost OP4 on a roll-off by one battlestations (ARGH!)


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I'm trying to decide which Flagship will work best in a two ship engage build. So far, it's probably the target lock independent flagship, but I'd like to put it on the Valdore, and would really like to get a tech slot on that thing for interphase generator. Alas, I'm not sure I can get it to work and still have a decent second ship. They've actually done a nice job of pricing the flagships such that I'm not sure that they're much better than command tokens.

I also think that the Dominion Suicide Run list isn't that bad. 4 5th Wing ships with Suicide Run on each would be pretty decent. I'd have to test it out before I commit to the purchases.

So, bit of a rules question...

If I put Captain Worf on the IKS Ch'Tang, do I get to reroll twice???

I think the answer to that question is no. You can't reroll a reroll unless the card explicitly says that you can do so. Work doesn't say "reroll an additional time"... so I think the answer is no.

Hey, got another question, which expansion came with Cyrano Jones and the tribble tokens? Was it really the Enterprise expansion, or was it Excelsior?

I am considering lists for future OP events and am finding myself increasingly drawn to a no name pilot list. I like to run in tight formation this usually results in me having to make an unwanted manuver (to avoid crashing) or worse misjudging and hitting it losing an action or more if you end up with the pile up problem( one crashes causing all the others to crash as well). With all pilots at skill one I can pick and choose my maneuvers with relative impunity as I always choose the order in which they move. In addition I am toying with making all of the ships identical so as to make target priority for my opponent much less clear. Here is my current work in progress (I have not factored in United fleet bonus as it is unclear whether my venue is going to allow it).

Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Command Tokens
98pts

Need to do some testing.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Hey, got another question, which expansion came with Cyrano Jones and the tribble tokens? Was it really the Enterprise expansion, or was it Excelsior?

Jones comes with the Gr'oth/D7. All things considered it ia a great set. The D7 is an ok ship if you only have a few points left. Koloth and Krell are the captains they are both very useful and low point cost. I have seen a guy at my local store use tribbels to good effect in an OP on a federation ship so they do have their use.

I have always had the idea of putting Jones with Reliant Khan together but couldn't find a good enough non-federation ship; until, the Koranak came. I just wish there was room for Khan's son.

Constitution refit set to come out in July
(http://www.ikoncollectables.com.au/p13143/Star_Trek_-_Attack_Wing_U.S.S._Enterprise_Federation/product_info.html)

They also list lore's ship for the rogue borg assimilator at the same time.

and
(http://www.popcultcha.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/21920/s/heroclix-star-trek-attack-wing-battleship-dominion-expansion/category/145/)

This site lists the other big dominion ship.

Take them for what you will but these 2 sites had wave 3 on them a month before the pics showed up on game trade magazine. So hopefully we will have admiral Kirk to get us through the summer